programming

[hard raptor]

idk.. it was just an example

[wary stone]

Anyone know the difference between python and micropython

[obsidian mantle]

oh i get it

[opaque sigil]

cpus have more sophisticated branch prediction, things like out-of-order execution and extra caches and run at much higher clock speeds

[obsidian mantle]

[opaque sigil]

gpus do have pretty smart schedulers but it's nowhere near the cpu's ability

[obsidian mantle]

branch prediction

[olive sable]

the main benefit of gpu's, is when you have a massive amount of calculations that don't need input or output from other calculations. the needed data already exists and we just have millions of outputs we want

[hard raptor]

however i wouldn't be surprised if the x86_64 spec has a thing for calculating powers either directly or semi-directly

[opaque sigil]

they go all in on parallel execution

[olive sable]

a single math operation on a cpu is an order of magnitude faster on cpu cuz of the higher clock speeds

[opaque sigil]

i should fix my chapter on gpu programming

[olive sable]

if you need to do that operation 10 million times you'd use a gpu cuz it gets dfone in less clocks

[obsidian mantle]

so cpu cores are higher clock speeds too

[olive sable]

yes

gpu has mhz, while cpu is GHz

[obsidian mantle]

yeeah but its like

700-900 mhz

vs 4 ghz

so not actually x1000

more like x5-10

[opaque sigil]

gpus aren't clocked that low

but it's still about half or so

[obsidian mantle]

i just remembered numbers from that old laptop i had which i tried to overclock once

it has 700 mhz i did 750 and it died in a month

[opaque sigil]

okay yeah some laptop gpus will be this low

[olive sable]

my 3090 has a boost clock of 1.7GHz, my 5950x does 4.6Ghz

so 2-3 time more

[obsidian mantle]

so technically gpus are ghz too now

[opaque sigil]

my 5070 ti boosts to 2.8ghz or so

they've been making big jumps lately

lower end gpus sit comfortably above 3ghz too

either way

[hard raptor]

i wrote a controllable 3d renderer for the CPU once tho.. but i had to do some wierd complex stuff to basically calculate about 10 different things with just 1 cycle by basically merging the data and split it apart in the other function where the piece of data was needed

[olive sable]

basicly, cpus are sequentual, gpus are parallel

[opaque sigil]

i hate my dumb little processor it doesn't make sense

[clear sedge]

my 2080 ti is 1.35ghz, i think it boosts to ~1.5ghz?

[hard raptor]

i needed to multi thread it too cuz otherwise it still wouldn't make a difference

[obsidian mantle]

they have an official guide https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-c-best-practices-guide/index.html

[opaque sigil]

[maiden geyser]

i hate my smart little processor it doesn't make sense

how do they do branch prediction

[opaque sigil]

black magic

[obsidian mantle]

what even is branch prediction

its not like its actually carrying boxes or something and it picks up the box before it was ordered

or is it?

[nocturne olive]

40 series did the big jump, 50 series barely did anything
5070 is almost same as 4070

[opaque sigil]

exactly what it sounds like, it predicts the branch your program will take next

[opaque sigil]

it does

speculative execution is wild

[obsidian mantle]

so it precomputes things?

before they were ordered

[opaque sigil]

yes

[maiden geyser]

what do you mean? 5070 is almost the same as 4090

[opaque sigil]

at the very least it'll prefetch the next instructions/data

[obsidian mantle]

do they use ai for it now

or is it too slow

[opaque sigil]

lots of statistics and heuristics

[nocturne olive]

Nvidia marketing garbage
5070 can't be even close to 4090
Nvidia was comparing FP4 on 5070 compared to FP8 on 4090 or DLSS + MFG on 5070 with nothing on 4090

[opaque sigil]

and a bit of voodoo magic

[obsidian mantle]

but 70 series are upper middle level

4090 was jacked

[olive sable]

in pure flops performance, a modern gpu will outdo a modern cpu. my 3090 does 35.5 TFLOPS while my 5950x does 1.2 TFLOPS
its just that sending data to the gpu, using a whole SM, and getting the data back from the pgu, just isnt worth it for non parallel math

[nocturne olive]

No that's 80 class for 50 series

5080 is mid-range

It's literally quite close to precisely half of a 5090

[obsidian mantle]

oh thats why it costs x2

[olive sable]

80 class used to be good

[obsidian mantle]

hmm

[olive sable]

they massacred my class

phrasing could have been better but eh

[obsidian mantle]

the main issue with 5080 vs 5090 as i see it is literally 16vs32 gb

[olive sable]

yep

nvidia refuses to give us vram

[opaque sigil]

dw they'll give you a 5080 super for the cheap price of 1600€

[olive sable]

5080 should have been 24GB

[obsidian mantle]

ooh so they made 6000s and some blackwell shit

which made 5080 become mid

[opaque sigil]

those are 2 completely different categories of cards

[olive sable]

6000s are non-gaming cards iirc

[obsidian mantle]

then how is 5080 mid if its literally top2

gaming-wise

[clear sedge]

based cppreference

[obsidian mantle]

just because of memory i guess

[opaque sigil]

price

it's always the price

[olive sable]

even if its 2nd, the distance between 5080 and 5090 is too big to call it high-end

[rough bloom]

pricy workstation cards with a ton of VRAM
technically work for gaming but just way overpriced and probably with slightly worse performance

[olive sable]

imo

[hard raptor]

But how would we rate this out of 10? (the code not the actual design of the product)
#programming message
#programming message

[opaque sigil]

the actual competitors to the dgx spark

[rough bloom]

kinda, yeah

[olive sable]

i have no clue what that is so i give it frog/10

[clear sedge]

🐸

[olive sable]

🐸

[opaque sigil]

it's kind of a no-brainer when you can buy almost 3 of those for the price of a single rtx pro blackwell

[hard raptor]

my own web framework i made out of boredom

[uneven pulsar]

AFTER long think about
I decide i will upgrade my server 4 gb ram to 16 gb ram
A new gpu

[rough bloom]

the fun part is that, purely in terms of aggregate compute available, multiple of the top consumer cards absolutely crush the workstation cards in terms of price to performance ratio

you just have to deal with less VRAM + no NVLink

[nocturne olive]

Well turns out VRAM on board a GPU is very imporetant

[uneven pulsar]

AGREE

I don't intrest on gaming so I will go server build

[rough bloom]

turns out that you still get more VRAM per dollar on consumer cards

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

I need more GPUs
But poor

According to Elvyn 48GB 4090D is good but it's also like really expensive

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/[e-mail]/ new ntfs driver

[rough bloom]

[dry charm]

I had to refresh for it to work

[rough bloom]

same

[dry charm]

but this is nice, we finally get NTFS updates

[rough bloom]

The old read-only ntfs code is much cleaner, with extensive comments,
offers readability that makes understanding NTFS easier. This is why
ntfsplus was developed on old read-only NTFS base
indirectly calling out ntfs3 code for being shit

Public utilities include fsck[2]
actually huge
chkdsk probably still does more than this implementation but AFAIK Linux just didn't have a way to recover from NTFS errors before

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

yeah it kind of just falls over and gives up

literally just goes "hey so this drive is kinda broken, go run chkdsk and come back"

[rough bloom]

yeah

failing to mount a broken filesystem is still the correct behavior, but fixing it shouldn't require starting Windows just for chkdsk

there's ntfsfix but that will also just tell you to boot into Windows half the time

[olive sable]

i know coil whine is harmless, but it sometimes scares the shit out of me. im just moving my viewport in blender, you're getting 16 floats sent to the gpu. you don't need to make noise over 16 floats

[rigid snow]

idk what's wrong but i get automatic chkdsk each time i boot. also "restart to fix drive issues" notification spam. as far as i checked absolutely nothing is actually wrong with the drive

i just accepted it lmao

windows logs don't say anything useful either

haven't encountered the need to mount the fs in linux

would imagine it never works

[rough bloom]

I don't think it'll mount right now if it's marked as requiring chkdsk, ye

[opaque sigil]

i remember when i first used my ntfs games drive on linux it complained about the drive being corrupted so i just used ntfsfix to clear that bit and make it shut up
still hasn't blown up

[olive sable]

guitar is a bit high poly atm, but its fine imo

2907 tris total. 1637 of those in the bass guitar

[stark needle]

you've gotta be kidding me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UWKxJbjriY

openai browser

[olive sable]

they need to have some type of exceptional feature for me to use it over firefox

[stark needle]

chabgtp

[obsidian mantle]

let me guess

voice control

search enhancements

"jarvis show me really good youtube video"

[woven quail]

and AI for everything ig

[stark needle]

ugh

all for 1 interview

[opaque sigil]

they do, it's an exceptional feature for them that it's way easier to analyse your habits

[gritty dust]

rip

[olive sable]

i love when diagrams have measurements, and just don't follow them

[gritty dust]

drums

[olive sable]

drums

[gritty dust]

ba dum tis

[olive sable]

🥁

[uneven pulsar]

Nice

[uneven pulsar]

Wtf is that !

GOOGLE CHROME IS AMONG FAVOURITE OF ALL TIME

[sick owl]

https://x.com/osanseviero/status/1980553451261292628

Omar Sanseviero (@osanseviero)

Half of LocalLlama: we want open models with thinking
The other half: we don't want thinking, don't waste our tokens

What do you want for open models that can run locally?

X · Oct 21, 2025, 8:35 AM

Worth a vote @cosmic sphinx

[uneven pulsar]

That very tough questions

I hate to go hardware side

ANYONE HAD HAIR DRYER?

[olive sable]

i have used a hair dryer before yes

[uneven pulsar]

I will use hairdryer to heat back cover of phone and remove battery

[olive sable]

be carefull

[obsidian mantle]

why are "wasted tokens" a problem when you run it locally

i understand when you pay for tokens

but

is local version limited too?

or this is regarding the electricity bill

[true hemlock]

most linear algebraic math, bit shifts, arithmetic

all are done in vectors and matrices though since they're SIMD
i personally wouldn't even consider them "cores". they're just arrays of ALUs. i'd consider the actual core being the scheduler itself

[uneven pulsar]

I like experiment on my phone

Hard break phone okay i revive it

[olive sable]

sure, but dont experiment too much

lithium batteries like exploding

[true hemlock]

cpus are far more complicated since you need to do instruction set fetch, decode, execute and store and some other pipelines are way more complicated than that even. and streaming lines are a thing as a method of acceleration, something that you can't also do in GPU cores

[obsidian mantle]

but... cant you turn everything into matrices and vectors?

[true hemlock]

not really

i mean, you can but

if its practically 1x1 matrix

just use a cpu

[final tinsel]

Me when MATLAB

[uneven pulsar]

Question 1
If 3000 cores in one CPU
All just clocked at 5.ghz do u use it ?

[true hemlock]

not exactly accurate, CPU cores also have vector instructions and multi FP unit activations (IPC)

[uneven pulsar]

Now URE my favourite guy

[olive sable]

ye but so do gpus no?

[opaque sigil]

yesn't

[true hemlock]

fun lil fact, elvyn's threadripper does 12.8 TFLOPS, similar to a 3060

[true hemlock]

top 3. 4090 still 2nd

[opaque sigil]

there are vector built-ins but they're mostly for efficiently reading memory rather than doing calculations on those

[olive sable]

so basicly, cpu's havce optimizations so they dont have to do the full 2 million pixels / 16 cores as amount of times needed to run, but they're still slower

[nocturne olive]

The obviously right answer

[true hemlock]

more like, half runs actually locally
the other one gives up trying to implement locally and resorted to import openai

[half socket]

pizza

[olive sable]

bro

how do you know?

[true hemlock]

nah, gpus have higher cluster and is more optimized for uniformity for each schedulers
cpus are more flexible, but their vector unit is wayyyy smaller

[olive sable]

get out my walls

[true hemlock]

avx 2 is only 256 bit

[half socket]

[true hemlock]

that's just 8x 32 bit unit... per one expensive core

whereas each SM/CU on a GPU is packed with 4 schedulers usually, each having 32x 32bit units

[olive sable]

Mods can we ban koko for spying on me?

im pretty sure thats illegal or something

[nocturne olive]

Every day I go more and more crazy about pitch curves AAAAAAAAAAAA

[olive sable]

ok imma watch the new spy x family episode

bye

[uneven pulsar]

WHICH episode?

[olive sable]

the new one

S3 ep 3

[uneven pulsar]

Let gooo

[true hemlock]

well good luck

to even getting them running on 5ghz you need a bunch of acceleration hardware, of which already takes die space. stream based pipelines is favorable but its also quite power hungry
then do the same to 3000 cores trying to maintain 5GHz then ig you'll need mega watts of power.... and high flow liquid nitrogen loop

[nocturne olive]

The way NeuroSynth is picky on pitch but also flexible at the same time
It makes it so now that I'm doing more advanced tuning I do like 1 part and then go back and redo 10 because suddenly it doesn't sound good enough
AaAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAaAa

[uneven pulsar]

Soo accurate ans

[nocturne olive]

-# I can hear the vibratoed As

[nocturne olive]

-# Surely I'm not crazy

[obsidian mantle]

is oil cooling a good idea for pc

like they do in transformators

i think i seen a video long ago how someone filled pc case with oil

[sage crag]

There's No Point™

[obsidian mantle]

i mean for overclocking

will it still burn in that single point regardless cause not enough heat being taken away

[sage crag]

you can cool things by submerging them in mineral oil yes, but its only really practical for large permanent installations

[nocturne olive]

Hopefully soon enough I'll be able to do good pitch curves one-shot more consistently

[opaque sigil]

does mineral oil even cool anything

[obsidian mantle]

why wouldnt it

absorbs the heat and all

cycles

[sage crag]

different substances have different thermal conductivity

[obsidian mantle]

like water cooling but more dense

[sage crag]

mineral oil is much less conductive to heat than water

like, by 5 or so times

additionally its more viscous

so its slower under convection which means that the heat isnt moved away as fast

[obsidian mantle]

nono lets say we cycle it

[opaque sigil]

i guess you just have so much of it to kind of make up for it

[obsidian mantle]

no convection

[nocturne olive]

Anyway now to take a break from NeuroSynth, osu or dataset?

[sage crag]

did you listen to the first part

[obsidian mantle]

do i not get convection word right

[sage crag]

did you miss the part where the thermal conductivity of water is about 5x more than than mineral oil

additionally it being more viscous makes it impractical for usage in a heat pump

[obsidian mantle]

will distilled water work

[sage crag]

no, you cannot submerge a machine in distilled water

[uneven pulsar]

Still I'm school

[sage crag]

it will rust components and then it wont be distilled anymore

[obsidian mantle]

[sage crag]

and then it will become conductive and destroy all of your parts

[obsidian mantle]

what if we make it golden or smth

rustproof materials

[sage crag]

you cant make everything out of gold

[obsidian mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-gif-23978173

for science

[sage crag]

even if you do, distilled water only remains distilled without the presence of atmosphere

[obsidian mantle]

vacuum

[uneven pulsar]

U can summerge into some oils

[sage crag]

still wont work, electricity will cause electrolysis in the water

[obsidian mantle]

but distilled water isnt affected by electrosis

its the whole point

it has no ions

[uneven pulsar]

TIME (11:46 PM ) OR 23:46
Bye

[obsidian mantle]

it must rust to get them but as i said we can use rust proof things

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

idk plastic and gold

[sage crag]

distilled water is still somewhat conductive

nothing is a complete insulator

[obsidian mantle]

because it has ions out of imperfect distillation

[sage crag]

no

because its a substance

[obsidian mantle]

who will carry the electric current

[sage crag]

nothing except a true vacuum is perfectly insulating

[obsidian mantle]

neutral water molecules?

[sage crag]

the water molecules

it will decompose into hydrogen and oxygen over time

then those will become ions in solution

[obsidian mantle]

why will it decompose

[sage crag]

with the presence of electricity

[obsidian mantle]

but it doesnt run through the water itself

at all

no ions

[sage crag]

my god did you listen to what i just said

[obsidian mantle]

yes

you said that water will decompose because electricity will run through it

while electricity cant run through it without ions

contradiction

[sage crag]

no, even pure water is still somewhat electrically conductive

i said this 3 or so times already

[obsidian mantle]

yes because its not pure

[sage crag]

oh my god

either way, water self-ionises

[tender river]

eggnog

[sage crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-ionization_of_water

it will undergo electrolysis

i will not say it again

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

ook this closes it i guess you are right

but it cant be fast

i guess?

is it even good

[sage crag]

i would expect directly submerging a pc in water would be worse than using a heat pump

[obsidian mantle]

diamonds

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

water is 700 times worse than copper

[stray dragon]

but copper doesn't convect, and it also has a very limited heat capacity

water fixes both of those

[olive sable]

time to put my pc in boron arsenide

[obsidian mantle]

[stray dragon]

the heat doesn't move into the water super fast, but the water stays relatively cold for a LOT longer, and it can just move away when it's hot

[obsidian mantle]

but copper is so conductive we can keep one side of it gigacold and it will spread the heat to that

dissolving the heat

[olive sable]

the future of cpus this bad boy has all the thermal conductivity

[stray dragon]

it's also too electrically conductive smh

submerging pc in oil does actually work, and quite well

[obsidian mantle]

im not suggesting to submerge it into liquid copper

[olive sable]

it was good

it was also

[stray dragon]

putting it in a solid block of copper is still an issue though, no?

also: heat pipes transfer heat faster than just a line of raw copper

thermal conductivity isn't everything

[olive sable]

heat pipes have gas inside them

[stray dragon]

yeah

they transport the heat along with the gas

[olive sable]

gas / fluid

[stray dragon]

wicking effect is neat

[olive sable]

phase changes

[rough rover]

How does netherite abode?

[amber fractal]

Half of it is gold, so also has an electric problem

[rough rover]

This will set back computer hardware by 1000 years

[obsidian mantle]

liquid helium https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/core-i9-14900kf-overclocked-to-9-13-ghz-to-become-the-highest-clocked-cpu-of-all-time-13-mhz-faster-than-the-previous-record-holder

[cosmic sphinx]

didnt know I missed something like this today
https://fixupx.com/OpenAI/status/1980685602384441368

OpenAI (@OpenAI)

Meet our new browser—ChatGPT Atlas.
︀︀
︀︀Available today on macOS: chatgpt.com/atlas

**💬 648 🔁 935 ❤️ 6.7K 👁️ 542.9K **

▶ Play video

FixupX · Oct 21, 2025, 5:20 PM

[obsidian mantle]

[amber fractal]

The actual answer will probably depend on what mods you have, sadly. Like in silent gear it is applied to be electroplated, also the same mod somehow puts it in a glass. One of the create addons for generators (maybe both) have netherite have a higher tier (in this case coils) then gold. Nothing off the top of my head for heat.

[cosmic sphinx]

its soooooo sloooooow though at this stage

[rigid snow]

should i download

[olive sable]

probably about 500, netherite is known for withstanding high temperatures, not conducting them

[rigid snow]

so probably a good insulator then

so the opposite

[olive sable]

gold is like 310 and i dont imagine "ancient debris" has too high of thermal conductivity

[olive sable]

does being able to withstand high temperatures mean it conducts them badly?

[rigid snow]

nvm

[rigid snow]

not necessarily but netherite tools still have wooden handles

underneath

[olive sable]

ok ye, but they also have daimond underneath

[rigid snow]

yep

[olive sable]

i thought the point was netherite, not netherite sword or whatever

[rigid snow]

but the sword does not burn in lava

while still having wood

[olive sable]

ok but

cactus

if i throw a bucket of lava in a catus, the cactus wins

if i throw a cactus into lava, the lava wins

does netherite cover the handle of the sword?

[rigid snow]

the color of the handle is different on the netherite ones so i would assume so

[olive sable]

im having a fight with gemini about this rn

[rigid snow]

fancy ahh

[olive sable]

gemini likes contradicting itself

ill ask chatgpt instead

[rigid snow]

the new tab page is literally chatgpt

[opaque sigil]

[rigid snow]

this looks so stupid

[olive sable]

ew

[olive sable]

gemini kept saying it wasn't different and then said that it was visibly darker

chatgpt jsut agreed that the handle is in fact coated

[lost hill]

Use an alternative frontend, like T3 Chat

[rigid snow]

btw yes they want you to use chatgpt as the search engine

[olive sable]

hell no

[pliant palm]

for desktop/home computers

[rigid snow]

it's their browser ... this isn't chatgpt.com this is New Tab

[lost hill]

Ew

[olive sable]

then its probably c ye

[lost hill]

That's why they wanted to buy Chrome so bad. Scrapping Google data for ChatGPT Search

[rigid snow]

not the default option though

[lost hill]

It would fail so bad if they locked it to GPT though

[olive sable]

at least its not firefox

[lost hill]

I can see some fanboys pushing themselves to use it, see how SearchGPT fails, and then use the same browser for a Google Search query

[rigid snow]

NAAAAHHHHHHH

THE SIDEBAR STAYS

[lost hill]

You're joking

[rigid snow]

see the screenshot

this is so silly

[lost hill]

At least you may collapse it…

I suppose…

[rigid snow]

ye

it is by default

but it's global

[lost hill]

Does it stay closed if you hide it until you re-open it? Or does it re-open by itself every next query?

[rigid snow]

its just global, you close it and it stays closed, you open it and it stays open

[lost hill]

Cringe but liveable

[amber fractal]

As a vertical tabs user, that is nothing new. But boy do I wish it had the option to be combined with tabs.

[rigid snow]

also opening a chat from the sidebar opens chatgpt.com

[rigid snow]

ye i can't turn back i force myself to use zen even though it's ff and ff is miserable

[lost hill]

It's not about the sidebar. I love the sidebar in Chrome/Edge. And I love how Arc/Zen incorporate it too.

It's about the fact that it looks like a chat on ChatGPT.

[rigid snow]

jank as fuck

[cosmic sphinx]

vibe coded browser

[lost hill]

Thanks for being the sacrifice for Neurocord. We'll never use this junk

[amber fractal]

considering you can have both tabs and chats open, unless you double the menu options. it will be insanely jank no matter how you organize it (or lack of such)

[lost hill]

Probably coded by ChatGPT itself for marketing points

I can imagine Sam going on the stage and saying something like:

I bet you didn't think that Atlas was actually wholly generated by GPT6! Well, guess what?

[rigid snow]

i don't think you can

wait you can it opens the latest chat when you click the "ask chatgpt" thing

[lost hill]

We already have LLM extensions in Edge. They could literally just make it an optional window with the mobile UI in it.

Most wouldn't expand it anyways, and some would start using it because it's Atlas.

That's genuinely what I thought their browser would be like: Chromium packed with LLM extensions that were made in 2023

[rigid snow]

absolutely useless

what's the point

[lost hill]

Google Assistant from 2018 could do that

[nocturne olive]

Oh my god I just found out why NeuroSynth has been lacking range for so long

I got A#5 and more

[rigid snow]

A#5

[rigid snow]

it's pretty bad

i do not see any point whatsoever

comet clears because it can actually do stuff

ai browsers are stupid anyways. just seems like a scheme to make people use chatgpt more

depend on it more

[sage crag]

grok send hatemail to all of my enemies

[rigid snow]

jarvis go to my block list, then for each account unblock them and send a hate reply to 10 of their latest posts then block again

[sage crag]

✅

[rigid snow]

holy backread

[olive sable]

i dont think i have many people blocked

if at all

its only art bots or scammers

and scammers dont count as people

[rigid snow]

back when twitter rebranded i used to try to fight the barely related tiktok spam engagement bait slop in replies by hiding replies from those accounts

[olive sable]

i dont use twitter

[rigid snow]

every reply section i opened was just walls and walls and walls of [This reply is from an account you muted.]

[nocturne olive]

That singular change to one line in one config file made NeuroSynth like 5x more powerful

[opaque sigil]

@tender river you know too much about c++ for your own good, is it even worth avoiding virtual functions assuming i don't need to call them like crazy

i'm very much tired of doing shit like this

[olive sable]

"virtual functions"?

[rigid snow]

oh apparently atlas actually can do it, it just requires you to have a chatgpt pro subscription because of course

i mean click stuff for you

and shi

[opaque sigil]

one way of doing interfaces
adds some runtime overhead since you need to find and call the right function pointer

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

is this like how in python you can pas a function as an argument? or am i misunderstanding?

[opaque sigil]

uhhh

i suppose kind of, it saves the pointers to the implementation in a vtable behind the scenes

[olive sable]

interesting

"adds runtime overhead" means i wont be using it tho

[opaque sigil]

the alternative is template hell

[tender river]

if you have that many type params cant you bundle them into a single type i'd very much suggest you to avoid virtual funcs on a gpu though

[opaque sigil]

i think i should just scrap the idea of keeping the implementation in the class and keep the kernel completely separate

[tender river]

also a lot of the time you can just hardcode the constants but idk if thats the case for you

[lost hill]

I had zero people blocked before the bird was axed. I have 3k+ of them now, and all are bots

[olive sable]

what in gods name is youtube doing

im getting sick of these AB tests

[opaque sigil]

grouping them into a struct is a good point actually though

oh look it's the new ui

[olive sable]

no

ew

refreshing the page made it go back to how it used to be

[lost hill]

Get strapped because it will arrive to everyone.

They were disappointed that they couldn't switch related videos and comment sections to promote engagement because of the community backlash, so now they made it so in the new UI you cannot scroll down in full-screen mode and have to open a panel of related videos instead with comments on the right, just like on mobile

[olive sable]

what?

related videos need to be on the right

[obsidian mantle]

they tried to move comments?

[olive sable]

there is no room for debate on this

[obsidian mantle]

to the right??

[olive sable]

they tried to put comments on the right and related videos underneath if i understand correctly

[lost hill]

Yup. And in the new UI they're on the right in full-screen also

[obsidian mantle]

but video is wide

and comments are wide too

[lost hill]

It just collapses the video to the left

[olive sable]

if they move it i will find an firefox add-on to put it back

[obsidian mantle]

💀

[olive sable]

im getting absolutely fuckign sick of youtube changing something every 2 weeks

it was good how it was

stop

i dont like changes

[lost hill]

I hate their new icons too

[cosmic sphinx]

meh

the only good thing about yt's new video ui

is that it doesnt gray out anything when you hover over it anymore

ui visibility is fucked, but works for me

[olive sable]

who asked for these changes?

literally nobody did

[lost hill]

The management did

[olive sable]

oops

[open copper]

unfortunate spelling

[olive sable]

i made a typo and set of automod

actually i made a lot of typpos

[obsidian mantle]

Its always the management

[olive sable]

my bad

[open copper]

lol its fine

[opaque sigil]

pls understand, that one manager really needed their promotion

[obsidian mantle]

what was it

[olive sable]

ye i cant really say it can i

[nocturne olive]

!! BAD TUNING WARNING !!
NeuroSynth holding A#5 and hitting C#6 with no dropped notes

[obsidian mantle]

Why are these notes difficult

Isnt it just different frequency or smth

Or is it something like "too high" or too low

[nocturne olive]

Well I had a config set wrong, so the training environment and inference environment mismatched

With this magical config NeuroSynth goes from average to insane

[nocturne olive]

C#6 is insanely high

[clear sedge]

hmmmm.

[sick owl]

Comet Browser 2

Oh btw, just found a really nice model that somehow totally passed me by on release

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/Seed-OSS-36B-Instruct-GGUF

[sage crag]

ahahaha

ahahahaa

ahahhhahhahahha

metaprogramming in hblang allows you to do uh

[obsidian mantle]

And they said cpp is complex

[opaque sigil]

i don't get it, is as_ref automatically set by dyn.Dyn

[opaque sigil]

yeah cause it is

[sage crag]

yes because uhh you cant add declarations to types yet

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

if i could it would look like this:

Test := Dyn(struct {
  a := fn(^@CurrentScope(), i32): i32;
})

Obj := struct {
  $a := fn(this: ^Obj): i32 return 101
}

main := fn(): i32 {
  a := Test.as_ref(&Obj.())
  return a.a()
}

and the way this could be used is for runtime polymorphism

[olive sable]

does this version have runtime overhead?

[sage crag]

A := fn(x: Test): i32 {
  return x.a()
}

Obj1 := struct { ... }
Obj2 := struct { ... }

A(Test.as_ref(&Obj1.()))
A(Test.as_ref(&Obj2.()))

[opaque sigil]

now that makes more sense

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

its the same in principle as any kind of dynamic dispatch

[rigid snow]

3 mew messages

[olive sable]

fair enough

[olive sable]

1

2

3

3 more now

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

if you want no runtime overhead you have

$is_test := fn($T: type): bool {
  return @has_decl(T, "a") // pretty much a stub here
}
Test := @Any(is_test)

A := fn(x: Test): i32 {
  return x.a()
}

the reason to choose between runtime overhead and no runtime overhead is usually code size but it can also be for environments where you dont know the types of something at compile time

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

the runtime version just has one function, but the compile time version generates a new function for each type

this is the same way it works in most languages

[olive sable]

so if i wanted do run either function 1 or 2, based on a bool, it could be compile?

[sage crag]

well, yes, in hblang you could do it two ways

[olive sable]

too bad i dont use hblang

[rigid snow]

she's a 10
but she's not blazingly fast (🚀), not memory safe and doesn’t have zero cost abstractions

is a thing i willingly typed out into my notes on july 20th 2022 at 21:16 utc

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

// compile time dispatch using function values
A := fn($x: fn(): i32, $y: fn(): i32, det: bool): i32 {
  if det {
    return x()
  }
  return y()
}

// runtime dispatch using function pointers
B := fn(x: ^fn(): i32, y: ^fn(): i32, det: bool): i32 {
  if det {
    return x()
  }
  return y()
}

A(fn0, fn1, true)
B(&fn0, &fn1, true)

same deal really, one dispatches at compile time one at runtime

in principle you can do the same in c or c++

though it wont look as nice as this

[olive sable]

i mean, in c++

nothing looks nice

its all pain

[rigid snow]

the next note 40m later is just this image

[olive sable]

but i cant fully read hblang either so i have to try really hard to understand the code examples

[sage crag]

self.prehopjpokpppppppppppppppppppp

[sage crag]

its ok no one can

do you want to read the code for the vtable

[olive sable]

idk what vtable is

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

a vtable is something that uhh

yeah

✅

[opaque sigil]

oh cool discord won't let me download the file

[sage crag]

this sucks but its going to get better fear not

[opaque sigil]

maybe i should look into what broke after all

[olive sable]

skill issue, it worked for me

[opaque sigil]

it won't open links in the browser either

and idk who to blame

[rigid snow]

me

[olive sable]

idk what this is, i just see a lot of ifs inside whiles

[opaque sigil]

that's a vtable alright

[olive sable]

a vtable is what a vtuber sits at to eat vburgers while watching vyoutube

[sage crag]

yuppers

there is an easier way of doing this now mabe

soon

[rigid snow]

surely vtubers watch vtube

[olive sable]

its a vpaid vscription

vbucks

[obsidian mantle]

Its something about runtime dispatch

[sage crag]

✅

[obsidian mantle]

Does it contain things you can use

During this dispatch

Like a list

A.. table

[olive sable]

who puts a table in their cpu?

[sage crag]

the simplest vtable just contains pointers to all the functions a type contains

[sage crag]

more complex vtables are used in languages with classes, like c++, to do runtime inheritance

[olive sable]

wait

a table

is jsut a matrix

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

who wants to tell him

[sage crag]

LUTs are cool

[obsidian mantle]

At least its not oil

[sage crag]

paging table

[olive sable]

brothers i was joking

i put tables in my cpu all the time

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

why would you do that

tables are wooden and have bad thermal conductivity

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

Who uses vtable, the program itself or the other program

Uuh bad worded it

[olive sable]

what

[sage crag]

what

[obsidian mantle]

The examples konii posted

Do they use it

[olive sable]

if a table is a matrix, then i use glm i guess

[sage crag]

what

[obsidian mantle]

Is it not an interface

[olive sable]

what

[obsidian mantle]

Why not put it inside of the program right away

[sage crag]

?????

[obsidian mantle]

Here.

[olive sable]

i dont understand what is ahppening

im severly confused

[sage crag]

dont worry i am too

[sage crag]

nonsense words

[obsidian mantle]

Let me backread ill formulate it better

[opaque sigil]

• define interface
• implementations fill in vtable
• interface calls functions inside vtable

[sage crag]

✅

[rigid snow]

ugly and disgusting

explode

[olive sable]

what is a lut?

[sage crag]

look-up table

[olive sable]

oh

why do you hate luts?

[obsidian mantle]

So implementations fill the table, its not filled right away

[opaque sigil]

you can have default implementations but yes

[obsidian mantle]

Ooh

[olive sable]

images are just luts for your gpu

[rigid snow]

i don’t me joke

[obsidian mantle]

I cant formulate it differently but you solved my question

[olive sable]

so a table is a lut?

no a lut is a table

[obsidian mantle]

What is lut

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

i am feeling so mischievous today

[obsidian mantle]

Oh

[obsidian mantle]

I missed that part of chat

[olive sable]

i thought i didnt hit my head when i epicly crashed my bike this morning, but maybe i did

[obsidian mantle]

Vtable is lookup table got it

[olive sable]

so what is special about a vtable that makes it have a special name?

[obsidian mantle]

Virtual methods only or smth

[rigid snow]

i have never heard “lut” being used to refer to anything except for these

which is a lookup table

but for colors

[olive sable]

everything you program is virtual tho

[rigid snow]

for color grading

basically a color grading preset

[obsidian mantle]

Virtual functions are something different from normal functions

I forgot why

[rigid snow]

for video editing specifically

or photo

[sage crag]

because they dont exist

they arent type checked

[obsidian mantle]

Is it runtime vs compile time?

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

you have lookup tabels too in games for color pallet textures. a decent amount of those 4 bit colour type games have them

[sage crag]

you tell the compiler "trust me this is the right function signature"

and then it dispatches at runtime

[nocturne olive]

That one Finnish university?

[opaque sigil]

i love how bs function pointers are

[sage crag]

its pretending that an arbitrary location in memory is code essentially

[obsidian mantle]

So its just a pointer

[opaque sigil]

like how you can literally just cast a buffer to one and it'll happily take it

[sage crag]

and this is what allows us to do runtime polymorphism

[rigid snow]

you also may or may not encounter them when working on post processing for a 3d game

like the exact kind i sent

[olive sable]

post processing is for people that cant make their game slook good

skill issue

[rigid snow]

bro

color grading

[sage crag]

as long as the functions accept the same ABI they can be used for many types

[rigid snow]

“just make your textures good”

[olive sable]

thats built into both opengl and vulkan bro

you dont need to do that

[rigid snow]

what

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

do you know what color grading means

[sage crag]

i dont think so

[obsidian mantle]

Gradienting

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

you define your texture as srgb and then its not your problem anymore if the user has wrong display settings

[sage crag]

❌

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

❌

its nothing to do with the display

[obsidian mantle]

What does s stand for in srgb

[sage crag]

standard

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_grading

read

[sage crag]

how many problem are solved by people just using wikipedia

so many

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_method_table

[obsidian mantle]

there are environments where rgb is not just 3 numbers 0..255?

[sage crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_function

[rigid snow]

hdr

[olive sable]

ok but like, why would i ever do this in a game?

[sage crag]

@trim valve eviscerate

[olive sable]

if the colors are wrong my texture is wrong

i fix the texture then

[sage crag]

oh my god

[olive sable]

im not gonna make the gpu do more work on every single frame cuz i fucked up my textures

[obsidian mantle]

We can wikipedia everything and then discuss nothing not fun

[rigid snow]

lmaoooo

[sage crag]

the real reason is that srgb is a specific way of mapping the 0..255 to actual brightness values

[rigid snow]

good luck i guess

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

same vibes as superbox saying mastering songs is stupid

[obsidian mantle]

So it will change accordingly to different monitors to look better

[sage crag]

what most people consider "rgb" is actually "linear rgb", but srgb is corrected to be standardised across all monitors, specifically with the range of 0..255 brightness levels

[sage crag]

no, its more like

all monitors have to do it the same way

so that images look the same

[olive sable]

i don't do music so i have no clue.
but like, i don't get why you wouldn't just edit the texture if you don't like the colour????

[obsidian mantle]

Oh so the opposite? "Do this without any postprocessing"

They do it the same way but it can look different

Since different monitors right?

[sage crag]

"lets edit the textures for the entire game just once irreversibly"
vs
"lets adjust the colours of our game with parameters to make it more visually appealing"

[rigid snow]

why wouldn’t you just change the lighting if you don’t like what the cameras capture

[sage crag]

yes, the theory goes if your monitor uses srgb it should look the same on another monitor, but in practice it looks different

[sage crag]

just bake the lighting into the texture, of course

[sick owl]

Running some tests on a nice local model I overlooked a while ago

Anyone got a good proof I can run by it?

[obsidian mantle]

Different approach different result

[olive sable]

then change the lighting, no need to do colour correction of the rendered frame?

[obsidian mantle]

Probably depends on how the artist sees it

Or its just faster

[rigid snow]

i was more referring to actual film

like

irl

[sage crag]

sssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[olive sable]

im not

[rigid snow]

yes let’s change the color of the atmosphere and the shape of the clouds and the intensity of the sun

[sage crag]

AAAAAAAAaaaa

AAAaaa

[obsidian mantle]

Some old games look great with that

[sage crag]

yes, but it also makes them a pain to work with ✅

[olive sable]

we were talking about textures
like ye no you cant change the textures on irl

[rigid snow]

how is baking lighting at all related to color grading

[sage crag]

not at all

[olive sable]

in a game you totally can

[obsidian mantle]

Just simulate full raytracing in runtime at all situations

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/jeong43va-gif-26093523

https://tenor.com/view/boom-anime-wow-amaze-surprise-gif-7257186

[rigid snow]

look let’s put it this way
if 99% of professionally developed 3d games do color grading, maybe there is a reason to?

[obsidian mantle]

Who knows maybe they are just lazy

[olive sable]

thats just phalasy of authority

i dont care if 99% of people do it, if it doesnt make sense to me i dont see why i shoudl do it

[rigid snow]

phalasy is crazy work

[olive sable]

oh

english is stupid

ignore that

fallacy of authority

[obsidian mantle]

Sand coast phalasy

[olive sable]

this isnt my fault, im ESL

[sage crag]

root word is now very different

[rigid snow]

let’s not

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/

embed fail

https://youtu.be/fv-wlo8yVhk

[olive sable]

youtube

[sick owl]

MY EYES

WHAT DID THEY DO TO YOUTUBE

[olive sable]

AAAA new youtube UI jumpscare

[sick owl]

One minute it was the old UI the next it was this ;-;

[olive sable]

AAAAAA its on the acerola video too

AAAAAAAAAaa

[obsidian mantle]

Its fine we will get accustomed like we did 500 times already

[sick owl]

Looked into this btw, apparently you have to pay for the agent to work for stuff like that

Paid browser

[olive sable]

i dont want to get accustomed to it

[rigid snow]

real talk, for me it makes complete and total sense because:

1. it is the same pipeline as film. all film is color graded. especially if you strive for photorealism. idk about unity (it should have that too) ue and GODOT have “cinematic” primitives for camera shit
2. achieving a certain mood and feel does not require you to individually color grade every texture in the scene (why do you think this is better????) having your textures be graded as ground truth just makes sense
3. if you do “fix” the textures, good luck dynamically changing them depending on location etc.

[obsidian mantle]

We will eat the bugs and we will be happy

[olive sable]

this is like when my room's lights die and i install a new light and its way brighter than before and it bothers me for a full 2 months before i have a sense of normalcy again

i live in constant agony

[rigid snow]

i did mention that a bit later ye

[rigid snow]

here

[sick owl]

Apparently plus works as well

Still a ripoff though

[rigid snow]

did i say pro

ye plus

[rigid snow]

sam i understand being stubborn about brackets and stuff but here you’re just being straight up unreasonable

[olive sable]

a film is shot irl and you cant change the colour of the sun or anything tho. in a game its way easier to make everything the colour you want than to filter it every single frame. you're essentially doing work on the gpu, and then redoing all your work again on he gpu.

and ye changing your textures isn't ideal but you can very easily change the lighting you use instead.
and you can very easily to just loop through all your textures and apply a filter to them

[rigid snow]

idk bruh

i give up

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1345515170587213864.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=evilGiggle

[sick owl]

Okay that's really cool actually

They released a fork of the base version of the model I'm testing that wasn't trained on any synthetic data

https://huggingface.co/ByteDance-Seed/Seed-OSS-36B-Base-woSyn

[olive sable]

i would rather change the light in my scene from 255,255,255 to 255, 221, 64, than to do this 4 million times, every frame for every pixel

i dont see why you would do it the expensive way

[rigid snow]

Is your color grading pass unusually expensive? Almost every AAA game has a multitude of full screen postprocess passes, and many of them can hit 60Hz, 120Hz, etc... Some of them can be combined into one pass.

Color grading is super useful, I would hesitate to try to throw it away for some hypothetical performance claim.

It is possible to get the same effect, but it can be very hard. It's going to involve a combination of changes to base textures, material parameters, and lights - and it can just be very difficult to make changes to lights which affect multiple objects, and then try to tweak all of the textures too, to get some particular effect.

• deleted reddit user, 3y ago

[olive sable]

im not exactly aiming for 60fps

[rigid snow]

MF READ

[olive sable]

idk

i still feel like i dont really care about colour correction

to me this feels like 3D printing something in red and then painting it blue. just print it in blue

[rigid snow]

Avoid most of the effects then but color controls are usually not that expensive.

You should probably keep the option of a LUT, global tint, brightness, contrast and gamma. Which are all very cheap shader wise.

from the same thread

the op had the same mindset as you but ended up changing their mind

[olive sable]

well i havent

idk

brightness i can understand, but thats jsut cranking up the values

not "correcting" the colours

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

[trim valve]

[olive sable]

when you say colour im thinking hue and saturation

brithness and contrast are value and have nothing to do with colour

[rigid snow]

black and white same color confirmed ✅ 👍

[trim valve]

Sam

[olive sable]

they're not colours

[olive sable]

hi

thats me

[trim valve]

are you doing colour correction via changing the textures

[rigid snow]

he’s suggesting that’s the way to do it

[olive sable]

im not doing colour correction at all

but if the colour looked wrong, its the fault of the texture

or the lighting

[trim valve]

I mean

it depends on your pipeline

[olive sable]

my pipeline is srgb texture goes in -> colour comes out

[trim valve]

that will in fact not be your pipeline

[rigid snow]

you are not wrong on this at all. if one texture jumps out and looks off that is definitely the correct conclusion

HOWEVER

[trim valve]

because that doesn't make sense

[rigid snow]

if you want your scene to look a certain way color wise you need to color grade

especially if you need it in one specific instance, like an area/dungeon/quest/etc

[olive sable]

there is some lighting calcualtions ye

[trim valve]

no but like

your lighting calculations aren't happening in a magical "colour" colour space

[olive sable]

srgb

[trim valve]

they're most likely happening in a linear srgb colour space

[olive sable]

mhm

[rigid snow]

keep in mind his brazy definition of color which excludes brightness

[trim valve]

hell I think I literally got you to add the conversation from linear to standard srgb into your engine at some point

[rigid snow]

for some fucking reason

[trim valve]

color isn't real

:3

[olive sable]

you mean the ^0.45?

ye you can just ask vulkan or opengl to do that for you

[trim valve]

yeah, if you do that's ideal

or well technically that not really correct for srgb but w/e

I trust that vulkan will do the right thing

what even is the argument atm in so confused

I woke up dehydrated 10 minutes ago

and got ambushed with colour

[rigid snow]

“no need for color grading because i change lighting and texture”

[olive sable]

currently the colour stuff just looks like this.
the pointlight stuff is not implemented well in Vulkan rn so it just does colour * dotproduct of normal with y-axis

so it basicly gets darker the further from the Y-axis the face is pointing

ussualy you'd do some stuff with colour of the light

[trim valve]

doesn't that introduce negative colours

[olive sable]

im maxing to 0

[trim valve]

ah

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

i would like to add that you've been arguing about colour for 40 min with someone who is colourblind

[rigid snow]

THAT LITERALLY DOES NOT FUCKING MATTER

you’re not BLIND

[trim valve]

mom the parents are arguing again

[olive sable]

which is why i can agree on contrast and brighntess

but if you want to do a mexico filter just make all the lights in your scene piss yellow

[rigid snow]

color is every component which makes a color idk why you’re saying brightness is separate

[olive sable]

no need to to filter

[olive sable]

hue, saturation, value

[rigid snow]

what if you need something a bit more complex than a mexico filter

[rigid snow]

yes value is there

[olive sable]

contrast and brightness are value

i can agree on doing those as filters

but hue

idk

thats a lighting issue

[rigid snow]

just hue shifting the whole image is one thing

i am swearing in my native tongue irl

out loud

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

fucking he’ll this is frustrating

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

idk why you'd go through the pain of changing the lighting

though it really depends on the context in the game

ig

[olive sable]

if you know what you're gonna change about the image with a filter, than you might aswell just apply that to the light colour

[rigid snow]

do i have any of my renders pre graded on hand

let me look if there’s anything i can show you

[trim valve]

Sam if you already know what the output of sin(constant) is gonna be in your code, do you replace it with the value of the function

[olive sable]

yes

[trim valve]

what if I just explode instead actually

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

i forgot i render to .hdr

better for this case

how do i default tonemap to srgb in photoshop

[olive sable]

well it depends on if its temporary. but if im like "yup looks good, full send" then im hardcodign that shit

especially in shaders

[trim valve]

idk

[olive sable]

if you calculate your constants everytime you run a shader then you're wasting so much gpu

[trim valve]

I am mildly not awake enough to structure an argument here

[olive sable]

fair enough

[rigid snow]

it doesn't slam bright lights of a certain color into white it just normalizes them or some shit

[trim valve]

I think we might be arguing slightly different points though. changing the colours of lights in a very specific situation where they're making stuff look wrong is probably valid. changing every single light in the scene is a slippy slope

[olive sable]

dont worry i wont ever have more than 5 lights

i have the sun 🌅

[trim valve]

my only worry is messing with lighting could have unintuitive effects but also in my head the math unfortunately doesn't seem to suggest that

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

if you want to add a color correction shader you're free to do so, its just a lot easier to avoid the vulkan hastle of impleemtning that in a seperate pass

[rigid snow]

so we don't actually disagree and you just wasted my time

great

[olive sable]

we do disagree

[rigid snow]

on what

[olive sable]

and so i dont see value on implemenitng it

[rigid snow]

ok so basically i have this rendering right

but then i'm like eh could be better

in this case i'm thinking like, it's boring and not what i wanted

i want it to be more vibrant

[trim valve]

ooh motion blur

[rigid snow]

but otherwise i like the lighting (!!!)

[olive sable]

oaky...

[rigid snow]

i do this

[olive sable]

blue?

[rigid snow]

i don't fuckijng remember what i did this is from 3-4 years agio

i did color correction

is teh point

[olive sable]

i see

its a way to change the light colour without re-rendering it

[rigid snow]

its a way to change the light colour without re-rendering it

[olive sable]

ye but the colour of the scene is directly related to the colour of the light

[rigid snow]

nuh uh

[olive sable]

so it does the same thing

[rigid snow]

you may want the light to be for example purple, but then you don't like how much it kills the green grass

so you boost the greens specifically

[trim valve]

in a simple renderer like in your game engine, sure. in more complex render engines stuff gets a bit more complex

[rigid snow]

i would say that applies to more complex pipelines too

in a way

[olive sable]

so

what you mean

instead of boosting the green channel

[trim valve]

I guess it mostly depends if your render pipeline is nonlinear in any way

[olive sable]

you boost only the green colours without boosting colours thast use the green channel's green?

like you boost green without boosting yellow because of it containign green

[rigid snow]

if you just do g *= 1.2 everything has a green tint

[olive sable]

thats all you had to say

ok i get it now

ok ye i can see this being handy

[rigid snow]

the point is grading is convenient because it allows you to surgically modify the colors exactly how you want to without touching anything lower level

[olive sable]

ok you're losign me again

dont make t complicated

i have moneky brain

[stray dragon]

i agree

[rigid snow]

did i say anything that complicated

[olive sable]

"surgically modify"

"touching anything lower level"

[rigid snow]

precisely tweak

[olive sable]

idk what lower level is supposed to mean in this context

[rigid snow]

like you're grading. just grading. not going in recoloring the textures and lights

[trim valve]

like you could give someone who's never touched vulkan some standard colour grading tools and they'd be able to make something have a specific look

[rigid snow]

ye

[trim valve]

https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/com.unity.postprocessing@2.2/manual/Color-Grading.html

e.g. these same tools are used across gaming and video

[rigid snow]

give them a screenshot, they send you a lut, you apply it

or footage

you get the idea (hopefully)

[olive sable]

uh

[olive sable]

i get this one

[trim valve]

or in the case of engines like unity, they can grade directly in engine

[rigid snow]

ye you can

[opaque sigil]

Sounds like a nice way to modularise a process so that someone who isn't super knowledgeable tech wise can do their job

[olive sable]

everything you said after the green tint thing you lost me

[rigid snow]

ez change colors without touching scene

that it

[olive sable]

uh

give me some time to think about it