programming

[uneven pulsar]

And see joining data

[olive sable]

ive never used those functions in python so

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

idk what language that even is

[uneven pulsar]

Rust

[olive sable]

i see

[rough bloom]

fn (x i32) i32 return 101

[uneven pulsar]

❎

Don't confused this ¡ Or i

[sage crag]

shuuumi

cursed

i also like it

but then again i also like prefix types so

[uneven pulsar]

@sage crag how many languages do u learned
I know u learn ( rust then ? )

*Rip my English

[obsidian mantle]

what does this function even do

[opaque sigil]

returns 101

duh

[uneven pulsar]

????

[obsidian mantle]

what is i32

[sage crag]

i32 main = (i32 x) {
  return 101
}

i know its bad i just love them

[opaque sigil]

int32_t

[obsidian mantle]

it turns return into i32?

ohh

[obsidian mantle]

is it equal to this

[rough bloom]

looks like assignment
but return type is on the left side

[sage crag]

it is a lambda

[opaque sigil]

kill it

[sage crag]

no real difference between function that returns a value and a value

provided the function has no effects, but accessing values can also have effects

[uneven pulsar]

3 question

Cpp=>

#include <bits/stdc++.h>
using namespace std;int f(int n){vector<int>v;v.reserve(n);for(int i=0;i<n;++i)v.push_back((ii+7)%13);mt19937_64 r(101);shuffle(v.begin(),v.end(),r);sort(v.begin(),v.end());reverse(v.begin(),v.end());long long a=0;for(int x:v){double d=sqrt((double)(xx+1));string s=to_string(d);double b=stod(s);a+=(long long)floor(b);}unordered_map<int,string>m;for(int i=0;i<5;++i)m[i]=string(i+1,'x');volatile long long k=a^(long long)m.size();(void)k;return 101;}
int main(){ios::sync_with_stdio(false);cin.tie(nullptr);cout<<"Calling the MOST USELESS function...\n";int r=f(100000);cout<<"It returned: "<<r<<'\n';}

Output is

/Calling the MOST USELESS function...
It returned: 101/

[opaque sigil]

pls learn how to use ``` for code blocks i beg

[rough bloom]

yes there is
function has parameters, value does not

[opaque sigil]

also this reminds me of some scala people that will become very angry when you define a function that takes no arguments as a function

as opposed to a definition

[uneven pulsar]

Well I'm free after fixing attention

[opaque sigil]

or maybe it was about side effects idk

[uneven pulsar]

Cyrus 2 on phone is very hard fps drop 120 to 12 fps 💀

[uneven pulsar]

I hope never goes 8 fps

[obsidian mantle]

what the fuck did i just do

oh right

g++ -c -O3 -Wpedantic cpp_bot_test8_moveeval.cpp; g++ -O3 bitboard_lib.o chessapi_lib.o cpp_bot_test8_moveeval.o -o cpp_bot_test8_moveeval.cpp; ./cutechess -style kvantum-dark

thankfully vscode managed to ctrl-z that even though it was changed externally

[opaque sigil]

might want to do yourself a favour and make a build.sh

[uneven pulsar]

~/cpp $ ls
abcd.cpp file l.hpp

[obsidian mantle]

it was a copy of a bot anyway that i was supposed to edit

and my main bot is copied to different drives just in case

[uneven pulsar]

#include "l.hpp"
Print("hello bro")

abcd.cpp:1:10: error: 'l.hpp'
file not found with <angled> include; use
"quotes" instead
1 | #include <l.hpp>
| ^~~~~~~
| "l.hpp"
,j1 error generated.

Sleeping time bye (12:41 am) or 00:41

[sage crag]

how about

let main = (i32 x): i32 {
  return 101 + x
}

[opaque sigil]

either remove the : or put it for the parameter

[rough bloom]

better
though if you're doing prefix you might as well do

let main = i32 (i32 x) {
  return 101 + x
}

[opaque sigil]

with that you'd need an extra case in the parser so it doesn't think it's just a type alias

[rough bloom]

that should already be covered by starting with let, unless you also want that to do type aliases for some reason

[opaque sigil]

depends if types are first class values i guess, if they are i don't see the point in having a separate keyword for defining types

[sage crag]

humm

main := (x i32, y i16) i32 {
  return x + y
}

i want to reduce random symbol usage without making it unreadable

where possible

actually i think im even more evil than this

i32 (x i32 y i32) main = {
  return x + y
}

i32 x0 = 1
i32 y0 = 2
i32 z = main(x0 y0)

[mighty thorn]

I love using xFormers on windows

[opaque sigil]

i still dunno how to feel about go allowing you to do stuff like

func main(x, y int) int {
    return x + y
}

is kinda nice but eh

[rough bloom]

I guess this works as long as you're assigning it

[sage crag]

x any y int

[opaque sigil]

i32 (x i32 y i32) as a type would make sense

[sage crag]

yes that was the intention

though i might have to make it different to make the closure { return x + y } make sense

[obsidian mantle]

isnt it a valid move in many languages to define like this:
int a,b,c

[rough bloom]

this one is actually kinda nice IMO
could omit even more but this is readable

[sage crag]

i32 (i32 i32) main = x y: {
  return x + y
}

[rigid timber]

[opaque sigil]

no

there are lines

[rigid timber]

might as well put the parameters randomly after the function body...

[sage crag]

ok but now you can accept that as a type for another function

i32 (i32 (i32 i32)) erm = func: {
  return func(1 2)
}

[opaque sigil]

main = x: y: {
  return x + y
}

it's basically nix

[sage crag]

ohh currying is ok

forgot that existed

hm

[sage crag]

me evil

if i ever write a language i will use this syntax

[opaque sigil]

i wonder if zig is ever going to get closures

would fit well syntax wise, function declarations just kind of stick out compared to everything else

[sage crag]

struct SomeStruct = {
  i32 x i32 y
  This (i32 i32) new = x0 y0: {
    return { x=x0 y=y0 }
  }
}

struct is a type maybe

or maybe
type SomeStruct = struct {}

[opaque sigil]

auto inheritance

[sage crag]

how

what have i done

[opaque sigil]

have struct be a type and assigning to it automatically inherits from it

[sage crag]

implicit return is cool right

[opaque sigil]

idk i lost the plot

[sage crag]

uuh ye sure

that works

[sage crag]

i dont think i like constructor syntax

what if i want to construct something that isnt type inferenced

nope wont happen

[opaque sigil]

just don't

[sage crag]

SomeStruct x = { x=1 y=2 }
pretty easy

using an equals is kinda annoying but makes sense

i think i will just parse commas as whitespace

[opaque sigil]

comma operator in shambles

[sage crag]

type some_struct = struct {
  i32 x i32 y
  this (i32 i32) new = x0 y0: {
    return { x=x0 y=y0 }
    // or with implicit return:
    { x=x0 y=y0 }
  }
  // alternatively, this should also work i guess
  this (i32 i32) new_other = x0 y0: { x=y0 y=x0 }
}

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

im choosing between being able to refer to a type in its own declaration or having a this type

this this

This this

[sage crag]

another thing is this entire thing could be declared on one line without using any semicolons because of the way i've done this

struct SomeStruct = { i32 x i32 y This (i32 i32) new = x0 y0: { return { x=x0 y=y0 } } }

i guess semantically this makes methods members of a struct with a default value

so uuh

[obsidian mantle]

this code technique is banned in 87 countries

[sage crag]

SomeStruct x = {
  x=1 y=2
  new = x0 y0: return { x=x0*2 y=y0*2 }
}

@tender river you read this cursed

[sage crag]

i cant tell if its unreadable or readable

its pretty readable to me but also having the type of parameters be separate from the parameter names is bad for readability

c-style constructors are also pretty bad but you know

how would you even use the member functions
SomeStruct x = SomeStruct.new()
is pretty bad

SomeStruct x = .new()
in theory you could omit this i guess?

but now there's a dot

maybe it represents member access

[opaque sigil]

let x = SomeStruct.new()
SomeStruct x = .new()

[sage crag]

x = SomeStruct.new()
SomeStruct x = .new()

first one is way more readable

but this one has strict grammar rules

[opaque sigil]

i still dunno how to feel about the 2nd one, it does keep things a lot more concise generally when type inference can carry but also idk

[sage crag]

i think all this needs to be ok is type inference

x = SomeStruct.new()
and now x can be inferred as SomeStruct

SomeStruct:new()

[opaque sigil]

this isn't lua

[sage crag]

colon harder to type than full stop, banned symbol

x = SomeStruct new()
now it reads like pseudocode even more

also breaks grammar rules in practice

[opaque sigil]

x = new<SomeStruct>()

[sage crag]

its harder to type <> than . so banned

ye

[opaque sigil]

fine

x = new[SomeStruct]()

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

last offer

[sage crag]

actually you have given me a great idea

circular brackets are stupid

i32 [i32 i32] main = x0 y0; {
  return x0 + y0
}

also replaced : with ;

this wont have any negative consequences

ye curly braces are next to go

[opaque sigil]

semantic whitespace

[sage crag]

i32 [i32 i32] main = x0 y0; [
  return x0 + y0
]

only 1 symbol in this requires pressing shift

[opaque sigil]

oh

[sage crag]

i think curly braces might stay

they are pretty

uuuh

how to deref pointer

[sage crag]

technically the return type could be inferred here too

[opaque sigil]

20 minute compile time incoming

[fast pagoda]

something something *

[sage crag]

in fact, these should be semantically equivalent in this cursed language

main = i32 x0 i32 y0; {
  return x0 + y0
}

i32 [i32 i32] main x0 y0; {
  return x0 + y0
}

provided type inference exists

[sage crag]

yeee

[fast pagoda]

oh it's rust i have no idea then

[sage crag]

its not rust its a fake language

just using rust for highlighting

[fast pagoda]

congratulations on crafting the most cursed thing, maybe ever

[rigid snow]

this is NOT rust

[sage crag]

it is NOT rust

i can confirm

[rigid snow]

if this was rust

i would

.

[fast pagoda]

i see this on top of codeblock i stop reading and go yep

zero further investigaton or effort needed

[sage crag]

no rust is like this:

let main = |x0: i32, y0: i32| return x0 + y0;

[rigid snow]

NUH UH

[opaque sigil]

| my arch nemesis

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

this is how js devs write rust

[sage crag]

i wonder if it works with main

[rigid snow]

closure spam

my beloved

[opaque sigil]

doesn't i'd imagine

[sage crag]

drat

[opaque sigil]

idk why i assumed there to be an extra case in the compiler just for this

guess not

[sage crag]

feels like they would do something like this

[fast pagoda]

does calling them pipes piss off rust people since they are unrelated to piping anything anywhere

[sage crag]

in fact it feels more like a special case for it to not work

[opaque sigil]

idk i just hate typing that character

[sage crag]

or more accurately that main is handled as a special case

[sage crag]

legitimately, for me its different between windows and linux

and between my keyboard and my keycaps

[opaque sigil]

what

[fast pagoda]

i feel like 31337 when i type | whether it be for a silly grep or in conversation, a src file, whatever

[opaque sigil]

do you use different keyboards

[sage crag]

i have US layout keycaps but UK keyboard

[fast pagoda]

so youh ave CHONK enter key

[sage crag]

and the actual way to type | changes between linux and windows at least on UK layout

[opaque sigil]

huh

[sage crag]

no i have a 65% keyboard

[fast pagoda]

return*

[opaque sigil]

must be using a different layout, that makes no sense

[sage crag]

same is true for \

[fast pagoda]

uk keyboards have a double height reuturn key

normally

[sage crag]

its because the way i type | and \ on UK layout keyboard requires pressing alt

yes

i hate this symbol more than you do

[sage crag]

like i said, my keyboard has US keycap layout

[opaque sigil]

have you considered just not using the UK layout

[shadow sinew]

Look up ISO vs. ANSI keyboards. UK is ISO. UK is ANSI.

[fast pagoda]

but electrically reports like a UK layout? why not just swap layout in software too lol

[sage crag]

no it reports like a US keyboard

[rigid snow]

  |
1 | const main: fn() -> () = || println!("hello!");
  |       ^^^^               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
warning: konii explod```

[fast pagoda]

now im confused

[opaque sigil]

US keyboard UK layout

right

[fast pagoda]

US keyboard layout + US keycaps = just an iso layout yea/?

[shadow sinew]

UK ANSI keyboards do exist, btw.

[sage crag]

ISO cooler

[rigid snow]

DOES THAT SAY BACKSPACE

[sage crag]

ANSI => america
ISO => international

[rigid snow]

WHAT THE FUCK

EW

no

[sage crag]

mine also says that

[fast pagoda]

average 61key tier decision

[opaque sigil]

the backspace key does in fact say backspace yes

[rigid snow]

why is it there

whyyyyy

[sage crag]

apparently there is a windows layout in here too

[opaque sigil]

no space on 60% keyboard

[sage crag]

apparently my layout is supposed to look like this but i can confirm it doesnt actually look like this

[rigid snow]

yes there is

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

i dislike small keyboards in general mostly but i do have this thing that i got for 3 dollarz on temu (i use it for work, it's so fucking loud)

my smolest keyboard

61key

[sage crag]

my keyboard is uh

garbage from amazon

[rigid snow]

healthy layout backspace is in a sane spot

[sage crag]

its mechanical and it has silver switches, i bought it for uh

i dont remember

[obsidian mantle]

i have never touched a keyboard with square enter in my life

[rigid snow]

$2.50

[opaque sigil]

there's something nice about having a chonky enter key

i wish i could replace the keyboard on my laptop

[obsidian mantle]

alt for \ who does that

[fast pagoda]

yeah this one is actually fairly well thought out i think for the layout, at least in my opinion, and even using the FN key on the bottom right for like arrow keys and such is not hard to get used to surprisingly

[shadow sinew]

IMO ANSI enter keys are easier to hit with your pinky from the home row.

[sage crag]

i have to press Alt+ the key left of 1

to type the |

and Alt+Minus to type \

[opaque sigil]

i only use ansi for compatibility reasons

[rigid snow]

it's just the default 60% layout

[sage crag]

„“

[fast pagoda]

this sentence makes me think your fingaz are absolutely FLYING all around

[fast pagoda]

oh well

good job default designers

like i said i dont use small keyboards lmao

[obsidian mantle]

alt minus does nothing for me

[sage crag]

doesnt matter to me im the fastest

[rigid snow]

koni ispeed player

[fast pagoda]

i believe you

[obsidian mantle]

do you have windows key

[fast pagoda]

i think i generally only clock like 100-120 wpm every time i go on humanbenchmark

[rigid snow]

i have door key. window no key just handle

[fast pagoda]

door key

is that what it's called

i kinda just figured linux call it super, mac call it command or whatever their term is

[rigid snow]

that's what you're called

[fast pagoda]

never heard "door key" lol

[rigid snow]

door-key

[fast pagoda]

heh

i have been defeated

[rigid snow]

refer to following image :

[fast pagoda]

so it's like an analogy for it unlocking elevated privs or something thus unlocking the door lol

i dunno that seems a bit contrived

[rigid snow]

i am confused are you genuinely asking

[fast pagoda]

i genuinely have never heard it called a door key so yea i guess it's a legitimate query

[rigid snow]

the joke is me taking "windows key" as literally as possible

[fast pagoda]

oh wow

jesus

[sage crag]

pipe key

space key

[lost hill]

Wait, what software is this? I wanted a good British Colemak layout for so many years but all apps suck

[rigid snow]

a key to space

[fast pagoda]

me rn

[fast pagoda]

mmm kde

[rigid snow]

plasma ugly

[fast pagoda]

no

[rigid snow]

sorry

[fast pagoda]

what is ur wm rn

and/or DE

it best not be ugly

[lost hill]

Plasma – the best

[rigid snow]

shell32.dll

[lost hill]

CLI people do not have the right to have an opinion on DEs

[rigid snow]

?

[fast pagoda]

well they were saying it's wandows more than anything

[rigid snow]

[fast pagoda]

win11 i dont think looks bad ngl, i like the design of the interface for the most part

win10 i thought was fairly unattractive

[rigid snow]

i agree fully

[lost hill]

I thought they meant that they’re one of the DOS fanatics that open up PowerShell and navigate their system like that

[fast pagoda]

are there literally more than like 5 of those left worldwide

i feel like most win users barely even know where pwsh is

[rigid snow]

imagine actually using powershell

[lost hill]

The same can be said about BSD, and we love BSD (in server rooms)

[fast pagoda]

hey ghostBSD AND netBSD worked without any issues whatsoever the brief time i was messing with them

[lost hill]

Exactly my point

[rigid snow]

for sure windows server goated we ALL love it i speak for EVERYONE

[fast pagoda]

cant say that for even the majority of mainline linux distros ive just slapped in on a whim

[lost hill]

I want to speak bad things about you and your bloodline

[rigid snow]

too bad i don't actually feel that way

[lost hill]

You’re supposed to ragebait me further

[rigid snow]

i'm tired

[fast pagoda]

i am genuinely tempted to give ghostBSD another shot to try out that gershwin environment they came up with

[rigid snow]

i've had enough fun

[fast pagoda]

maybe next time my poor laptop gets reflashed it'll be ghost again

[sage crag]

i found my layout

[fast pagoda]

that sorry thing ends up with a new distro//os in general every week

[fast pagoda]

i would ask "but why" for the changes but the answer is always "le typewriterz were like that 90 years ago idk"

[lost hill]

Huh, I didn’t see this one yet. But I doubt that I will test it; I don’t want a BSD machine rn anyways

[fast pagoda]

i think it's only been a matter of like a month or 2 since i read about it

it's very new

[shadow sinew]

Most of those special characters are easy to type with a compose key. For instance Ø is <compose> + / + O

[fast pagoda]

compose key has so much potential

and yet i suck so much ass at using it

[sage crag]

heres how it looks with colemak

[sage crag]

i know how to press alt

[fast pagoda]

i was gonna feign shock that you could type Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch but then when i went to grab the name i realized the damn thing has 0 accented characters anyways so it's over

[lost hill]

I love this one. It has ‘’ exactly where I am used to them

[obsidian mantle]

Super L

[sage crag]

Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch

[shadow sinew]

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrowblllllantysiliogogogoch

[fast pagoda]

ultra gaming edition L

[shadow sinew]

One extra l

[sage crag]

i cannot type very quickly on colemak

pls help

wasd -> wars

unplayable

[fast pagoda]

i can handle symbols being in funky spots

if actual letters were to suddenly be moved though

i think it'd be over

i'd just stop using the computer

[mighty thorn]

Colemak

[rigid locust]

im not a programmer but i was wondering if anyone has any recommendations on where to start learning? I imagine youtube might be the best way but i figured i should ask those who are already doing it

[stark needle]

@sage crag i need idea is there any triplet of mathematical function:
1 encoding function that will encode a specific position into a n-dimensional vector (e.g. Absolute/Rotary Position embedding)
1 similarity function that is invariant of the position embedding that will act similar like cosine similarity/dot product
1 similarity function that strictly uses the encoded position

[celest hull]

try finding a subarea you like and start from there. i liked games so i chose gamedev to start

[stark needle]

GPT-5 and Gemini told me there can not be such a triplet of functions with some long ass proof

[sage crag]

uuh

let me parse this

[sage crag]

check pins

[sage crag]

what do you specifically mean by invariant

[stark needle]

this is what Gemini said:
The assumption that a triplet of functions (E, F_{\text{inv}}, F_{\text{dep}}) satisfying all conditions can exist leads to a logical contradiction. The core of the problem is that the Isometry and Invariant Similarity constraints create a system where F_inv must be able to "undo" the positional transformation to recover the original semantic dot product. However, because a single vector w \in W can be the result of encoding from multiple different positions (e.g., w = R_{m_1} u_1 = R_{m_2} u_2), the function F_inv cannot know which transformation (R_{m_1}^{-1} or R_{m_2}^{-1}) to apply. For it to be well-defined, all these transformations would have to be the same, which violates the non-triviality of the positional encoding.

[stark needle]

ignores

[sage crag]

some specifics

your question is kinda lacking any details

i dont know what you want from me

[rigid snow]

two number nines, a number nine large, a number six with extra dip, a number seven, two number forty-fives one with cheese and a large soda

[rigid snow]

cheese mentioned

[rigid locust]

artificial intelligence building seems cool

I would ask vedal if he has any tips but from what i hear i shouldn’t ping them

[uneven pulsar]

Just do it if u need guid how to build ai !
=> Machine learning is ai
=> Deep learning is also ai
=> Super
=> General
=> AGI
==> Tree
===> Python,js,cpp,asm
====>Data
======>Training
========> maths , physics optional

Where do u find data wikipedia,Google<=====

I hate rules based ai but training it is good
Well I'm working on boot ai
=>Asm (main)

.sector .data

[faint sandal]

cheesed to meet u

[quartz olive]

Hey everyone! I'm interested in learning more about LLM's and AI as a whole. I read through the FAQ and Vedal's advice document but found no sources for further research. Are there any good places to start looking into things? I have a very basic understanding of how most LLM's work, but my knowledge stops around the area of transformers, embedding, vector data bases, and the perplexity metric. Are there resources people could recommend or an AI-specific FAQ?

[uneven pulsar]

Read this bro
#programming message

If u need sample how ai works then I will provide GitHub and samples of network

Where is uploaded reach paper I'm @uneven pulsar dumb

Re uploading research paper

??

[faint sandal]

??

[hollow matrix]

mhm you know windows 11 is great when trying to add an account results in windows prompting you to select a debugger, and that prompt then stops responding

[faint sandal]

that part is on VS

[uneven pulsar]

?

[faint sandal]

will you stop ?ing people

[hollow matrix]

Still funny, it also might have stopped responding because 2026 insiders was in the middle of an update

[glad path]

https://github.com/PrismaticDepths/bsp-challenge/blob/main/README.md
anyone up for this, it'll be fun i swear

[hollow matrix]

Does any programming language include brainfuck?

[glad path]

sure

[uneven pulsar]

Hey can u make data of maths !
Because I want test ai

[glad path]

huh

[uneven pulsar]

AUDIO SAMPLE OF FROM @68+1,phuf

[hollow matrix]

[glad path]

listen, it was for the hp prime

literally everything I would've done normally wouldn't work

to give you a perspective on how buggy it is

the builtin abs() [absolute value] function literally causes a full on crash

completely kills the firmware

needs to restart

[hollow matrix]

Wait is that a graphing calculator

[glad path]

yeah

the micropython implementation has like only weird undocumented libs specific to the hpprime

not even standard library stuff

[hollow matrix]

huh

[uneven pulsar]

Phone battery is very slow

[glad path]

I was running it on the emulator since I didn't have the actual calculator available at the time

i got texture mapping on basic 3d rendering working

[hollow matrix]

I feel like making it on really any other device would be more practical

[glad path]

but it was like 2fps

[glad path]

since I said no external libs you can still use stuff bundled with languages

I didn't even have that liberty

and you can actually have proper documentation

so you might have it better off than me

and you dont have performance concerns

or weird unsolvable debugging issues

[hollow matrix]

I'm a web developer, I don't know what a binary space partitioning is

[sage crag]

scrolling wm

that is all

[glad path]

that's the fun in it :3

i didn't know either

[uneven pulsar]

Laxnet 62

[glad path]

then I learned

[hollow matrix]

mhm I clicked a link to one of wikipedia's sources for it

nice cover image

[glad path]

lol

[hollow matrix]

I'm not allowed to use the code given in the article am I?

[glad path]

must be your own code

[hollow matrix]

brb

[tender river]

this is why jis layout is the best

[hollow matrix]

Can I rewrite the shown (it's either c or c++) code in typescript?

[glad path]

i mean

as long as it's your code

and you arent copy and pasting

or manually typing other code

for reference

[hollow matrix]

[tender river]

om i remember seeing someone ask about this on bsky recently
but anyway, with lazy evaluation it's true, but with strict evaluation there are multiple complications:

• stack allocation
• non-termination
• impurity
• panics
  which can happen in functions but not in values

[hollow matrix]

Are you replying to messages from 9 hours ago?

[tender river]

usually a prefix like fn or \ or is used to help parsing, imagine how you'd parse that if your language had tuples (possible but ye good luck )

and easy to parse language means easy to port or write tooling for

[tender river]

you're joking (maybe) but i genuinely think it's a good idea (not in the way you said it but struct really has no right to be a language builtin smh)

[tender river]

doubt it but maybe, it's a systems language after all they tell you to just use structs

[sage crag]

ban panics (panic is UB)
ban stack (stack is UB)
ban impurity (impurity is UB)
ban non-termination (bla bla bla)

have created a

config language

[tender river]

json

[sage crag]

[tender river]

json parsers do have stack overflow protections though

[sage crag]

im too hblang pilled and i thought, how can a value be of type struct when it is of type type

[tender river]

type type is not type

type type is javascript

[sage crag]

mental illness

[tender river]

[sage crag]

type is value, what is its type

can of worms from "typesystem"

metaprogramming at what cost

[hollow matrix]

bro wtf is enif

[sage crag]

[tender river]

with dependent types each type is from a particular universe, so type of type is type1, type of type1 is type2

ultimately while there are typed metaprogramming systems like metaocaml i think this approach is fundamentally restrictive thats why im making an untyped language (maybe gradually typed with dependent types but uh i'll make it without dependent types first)

[sage crag]

i tried making a dependently typed hblang mockup and it killed me

[hollow matrix]

@glad path is this right

[tender river]

rest in peace

[sage crag]

im now dead please send your grievances to my grave

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[glad path]

I don't know?

[tender river]

hblang is already pseudo-dependently typed but only at comptime

[sage crag]

yes

you can make array of length known at comptime

[hollow matrix]

is does enif just end the if statement? I've never fucking seen that before

[glad path]

what language

[tender river]

ultimately hblang just fancy c while a dependently typed language wouldnt be fancy c

[sage crag]

yuh

[hollow matrix]

It's on that site wikipedia used as a reference, it looks like c but i'm honestly not sure

[sage crag]

hblang is like the opposite of rust

its unsafe because it feels like it

[tender river]

its unsafe because it was designed to be

[glad path]

what is that

i dont know what language that even is

[sage crag]

i did actually realise this a while later and changed it

but it felt less pure

[tender river]

🐸

[sage crag]

theres a ladybug on my hand

im like a disney princess

[hollow matrix]

Oh, fuck, it's not a language

[glad path]

that's what i was thinking

[hollow matrix]

looking closer I think enif might also just be a typo of endif lol

[hollow matrix]

It's actually kind of obvious now that I look at it more

[glad path]

yeah lol

return as a function is weird though

[hollow matrix]

yeah

[glad path]

im sorry what

why do you need screen recording for that?

[hollow matrix]

[glad path]

anyhow it has like 20k stars

[hollow matrix]

Also, a reminder to always give your project directories meaningful names

[glad path]

so it's probably fine

[glad path]

fr

[hollow matrix]

👍 I think this is it

[uneven pulsar]

Elif hmmm

[hollow matrix]

@glad path I think I'll stick to web development, I can't figure out what I'm doing

[uneven pulsar]

try:
print(10/0)
except ZeroDivisionError:
print("Cannot divide by zero")
finally:
print("Done")

[glad path]

ok

[uneven pulsar]

Testing code BUILD

I add all documents in python

Input :Generate a train- able model

Output:
from sklearn.datasets import load_iris
from sklearn.model_selection import train_test_split
from sklearn.tree import DecisionTreeClassifier
from sklearn.metrics import accuracy_score

data = load_iris()
X, y = data.data, data.target
X_train, X_test, y_train, y_test = train_test_split(X, y, test_size=0.2, random_state=42)
model = DecisionTreeClassifier()
model.fit(X_train, y_train)
y_pred = model.predict(X_test)
print("Accuracy:", accuracy_score(y_test, y_pred))

Alpha mode ! 😮‍💨

Here is all documents

[obsidian mantle]

English programming language

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[short ingot]

Good morning.

Apparently I woke up at 4

I did sleep at 4 tho, so that might have something to do with this

[glad path]

lol

[covert urchin]

To display icons in the app settings that was recorded from menubar items

[opaque sigil]

Me when c

[uneven pulsar]

After fixing hallucination

Code builder not ready sir

I offical say that English is also coding language

Cobol

Cobol is High-language,
English-like programming language created in 1959 for business and administrative applications, especially on mainframe computers

[olive sable]

I tokyo drifted on my bike and ate the pavement (im fine) and my laptop got some of its skin removed too

[uneven pulsar]

Atleast laptop is working tho

[opaque sigil]

lucky mf

[uneven pulsar]

I was watching spy x family (subtitles embedding)
i feed data in ai 🤣

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

Ans .

[olive sable]

try not to make an llm xenofobic challenge

[uneven pulsar]

🧠 _+Rz+>ORGn?

[loud thunder]

wild

[uneven pulsar]

When u forgot about add unembedding matrix multiplier and token output

Await

[bitter coral]

[olive sable]

im suprised the hinge survived

lenovo could never

my sisters laptops hinge broke yesterday because she opened the laptop

[bitter coral]

I mean are there many other ways that a hinge would break?

[loud thunder]

what laptop is it

[olive sable]

gigabyte g5 ge

[loud thunder]

damn

[olive sable]

my sisters laptop was a lenovo ideapad 5 or smthing

hinge is metal but it attaches to the screen with plastic

[obsidian mantle]

Oh shit yes i had old laptop with same issue

They literally screw super steel hinge to shit tier plastic

It just breaks the bottom of laptop still attached to the monitor part

[olive sable]

it was the part inside the screen that broke for her

and we already replaced that part once, but now we just ordered a new laptop

"Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 15ARP10" it was only 480 bucks

[olive sable]

dropping the laptop mainly

it shouldnt break from normal usage

[true hemlock]

damn pricy

[olive sable]

nah i conider it a good deal

normally theyre 600

the specs arent bad

not exactly a gamin laptop but should be good enough for roblox are whatever kids do these days

[true hemlock]

oh yeah that's actually good deal

thought its some low end cheap ass low budget laptop at first

[maiden geyser]

fhd@60hz? holy skip

[obsidian mantle]

Its a laptop, who cares if your micromonitor is 60 or 140 hz

Its still ass

[mighty thorn]

If you just need something to browse Google and are morally impure enough, just get a Chromebook that looks suspiciously like it’s had its school sticker scraper off

Bonus points if you embark on the journey to install windows on it

[uneven pulsar]

Un train ai bot 🤣🤣🤣

[maiden geyser]

what's the point of buying a laptop at all then, who cares if there's an i5 or an i9 if it still will throttle

[uneven pulsar]

My bro is running ai bot without data 🤣🤣💀💀

[loud thunder]

?

[mighty thorn]

I think you may be the ai bot here pal

[uneven pulsar]

What should I do tell him or more roast

[mighty thorn]

[uneven pulsar]

RUMBLING RUMBLING

COMPLETE THE SONG (AOT RUMBLING)

[clear sedge]

o_o

[mighty thorn]

@true hemlock one of your WIP ARCs got loose

Take it out back please

[uneven pulsar]

@true hemlock is arm64 not x86_64

[obsidian mantle]

So throttling vs not throttling is equal to
Shit 60 hz micromonitor vs shit 140 hz micromonitor

idk about that

[uneven pulsar]

R complete now T time

I like microled tv

[obsidian mantle]

why nerd this is literally nerd channel

[mighty thorn]

[uneven pulsar]

[mighty thorn]

It’s learning

This is fun

[obsidian mantle]

[mighty thorn]

I take it back

Don’t kill him

He’s chill

@uneven pulsar hey kiddo want to go through the pigskin around?

Throw

I meant throw

[uneven pulsar]

Question 1
Test

Can u fix this code
#Include <n.hpp>
Print("yo")

[mighty thorn]

print(“yo”) is correct as is

They grow up so fast

[maiden geyser]

gurt

[mighty thorn]

(before I get in trouble I must clarify that this entity is not mine)

(Idk who made this)

(Not to point any fingers but I did take a guess earlier)

That isn’t a question

[uneven pulsar]

Test 2

A = [1 2
3 4]

B = [2 0
1 3]

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yogurt-yum-yummy-food-gif-17599902469282887748

[maiden geyser]

6 7

[mighty thorn]

That still isn’t a question

[mighty thorn]

[uneven pulsar]

Solve it

[clear sedge]

oh my god fuck you

[mighty thorn]

Can you restate it as a question please

[uneven pulsar]

Test 2

Neuro A = [1 2
3 4]

Neuro B = [2 0
1 3]

[tight tinsel]

wtf are they saying 😭

dead internet theory proved

[nocturne olive]

No it's ARM64

[clear sedge]

i love aarch64

[nocturne olive]

I hate it due to it being confusing for users

[maiden geyser]

what's the difference anyway

[nocturne olive]

A lot actually, it's a whole entire different CPU architecture

[clear sedge]

there's like a billion differences

[mighty thorn]

That still isn’t a question buddy

[maiden geyser]

dead? only a living being can be that confusing

[clear sedge]

❌

have you seen ai "art"

[mighty thorn]

It went offline

[clear sedge]

that shit is so confusing

[mighty thorn]

I miss Hmmf already

[clear sedge]

HALF THE INTERNET DIED TODAY??

[mighty thorn]

Yes

[clear sedge]

how'd i miss this

[mighty thorn]

Never forget 10/21

[uneven pulsar]

I3 = [1 0 0
0 1 0
0 0 1]

A = [2 3 1
4 0 5
1 2 3]

1. Write P.
2. Compute B = P * A
3. What does multiplying by P do to A's rows?

[mighty thorn]

OMG he back

I missed him

[clear sedge]

is the answer nothing

[mighty thorn]

There is no P, just I3 and A

[uneven pulsar]

Just solve it don't give me EXPLAINS and use ure brain

[mighty thorn]

But

But

But there is no solution

[uneven pulsar]

BYE I HAVE WASTED TOO MUCH TIME ON THIS

[mighty thorn]

Okay bye

[olive sable]

its for my sister to do schoolwork, she doesnt need 4K 240hz

it just needs to run powerpoint, word, and roblox decently well

[mighty thorn]

Sam

[olive sable]

hi

[mighty thorn]

You missed the rogue ai

I’m filing adoption paperwork as we speak

[olive sable]

i have class rn so mayhaps

[mighty thorn]

@uneven pulsar

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

cute

[obsidian mantle]

Everybody needs 4k 240hz for homework

https://tenor.com/view/mundo-feliz-onetreehsll-world-if-gif-14071235670792471304

[neat cosmos]

A RTX 5090 Ti for school

[clear sedge]

b-b-b-but what if i don't go to school

do i need the 4k 240hz display for work

[swift crane]

mama may i have cookies

[mighty thorn]

Websites be like

[obsidian mantle]

Just keep your 240hz monitor you got for school

[clear sedge]

do i need to sue my past schools to get it

i didn't get it

[uneven pulsar]

all progress is gone

PROGRESS ( DATA BASE IS COME BECAUSE SQL 😨 IS RESET)

[maiden geyser]

240hz 4k is ultra stupid

everyone needs 21:9 2k 240hz

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[clear sedge]

[rigid snow]

a blue leaf and two air ducts

[clear sedge]

[olive sable]

Im back home

[obsidian mantle]

maybe this will fix my skill issue in programming

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-power-chainsaw-man-csm-agree-gif-2034489833296620644

[maiden geyser]

a shuttlecock and two socks for cat's back paws?

[nocturne olive]

Wha?

I thought I just need

[clear sedge]

intellij my behated

[nocturne olive]

I like IntelliJ, it's cool

[cosmic sphinx]

the only thing I need.. is yoooouuuu

[nocturne olive]

I don't know why you would need whatever that other stuff is for programming

[clear sedge]

they're shoving ai tools down their users' throats now

[nocturne olive]

Eh I have seen 0 AI tools in IntelliJ

[uneven pulsar]

My favourite ide

Free cloud

[clear sedge]

i've chosen to go back to using eclipse because of this

i don't want my code to be training data for some random rich person

[nocturne olive]

Really I only just need an IDE and documentation
I don't get what that other stuff is for

[clear sedge]

thigh highs -> more blood circulation to your brain
skirt -> go spinny, higher dopamine levels
crop top -> exposes belly for temperature adjustments in hot climates

[nocturne olive]

I have none of that and I program just fine

[clear sedge]

you'd program so much better if you had the starter pack

[nocturne olive]

Well I don't have it so

I'm broke anyway

[clear sedge]

skill issue

[clear sedge]

!felloff

[stiff mica]

[nocturne olive]

How is being broke a skill issue though
It's just a thing that happens when you have a need for infinite hardware and can't afford anything else

[clear sedge]

skirts, crop tops, and thigh highs are hardware

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Are they though? I sure can't compute NeuroSynth on those

[clear sedge]

they help you compute neurosynth

increases bloodflow to the brain and dopamine

better programming results

[olive sable]

its like how rgb is also hardware

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth isn't computing on my brain

It computes on my really expensive RTX 3090

[ivory plinth]

uh

hi yappers

[olive sable]

hi assist

[ivory plinth]

hi 🔺

[olive sable]

hi

[clear sedge]

put it in a skirt then

[nocturne olive]

Either way couldn't afford that kinda stuff anyway
If I was to ever end up with such it'd be from someone else just deciding to send me it for some reason

[nocturne olive]

Wha? A virtual singing voice?

[olive sable]

the most enjoyable part of college is having a schedule where you're home alone for 5 hours
now i can put my pc speakers at full volume

[clear sedge]

yes

[nocturne olive]

And why and how would I even do that?
I have no such thing as a skirt

[uneven pulsar]

Virtual singing?

[clear sedge]

get a skirt

[nocturne olive]

Can't afford stuff like such

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[nocturne olive]

If I was to ever end up with such it would be from someone randomly sending it

And pretty sure on the entire server there are only 2 people that would know where to so that's not happening

[uneven pulsar]

Recommend b200 gpus = 700k$

[nocturne olive]

Too pricy

[uneven pulsar]

Actually it was 1 set of b200
Each carry
180 gb vram

Total 1440 gb vram

U need 1m to buy a hole Server

[clear sedge]

do you have a po box

[nocturne olive]

And how do you think I would suddenly get 1m if I can't even afford a 3090 without going broke?

[nocturne olive]

No I don't know what that is
I only have a crypto wallet

[clear sedge]

i'm looking up how much the cheapest skirt costs and sending you that amount in crypto

[nocturne olive]

Wha

[clear sedge]

actually no i'm not i'm lazy

[uneven pulsar]

THANK GOD I INVEST ON MY ______ BUT I WAIT MORE THEN YEAR

But 2019 ask dad behalf of me

[nocturne olive]

Silly
Chances are though I would have no idea how to even get one
-# If you seriously wanted to send me something the best way would be convincing Sam but that's not going to happen

[clear sedge]

@olive sable would you be interested in helping me send superbox a skirt

[olive sable]

[ivory plinth]

[olive sable]

what do you want me to do?

[clear sedge]

dox him

[olive sable]

i know where he lives yes, im not gonna dox him

[ivory plinth]

MONKA

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

also, i dont even own a skirt to send to him

and if i did i still wouldn't

[nocturne olive]

-# As I said, not going to happen

[clear sedge]

if i sent you the money to get a skirt and a little extra as a bribe would you get him a skirt

[olive sable]

shipping in itslef is like 20 bucks

so it would have to be a pretty big bribe

[clear sedge]

[nocturne olive]

I don't think shipping a single cheap thing all that way would be worth it

[clear sedge]

time to save up for the superbox skirt fund

[nocturne olive]

Would have to be like with another GPU or something

Or at least more than one thing

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Shipping overseas for one cheap item is just not worth the cost since the shipping cost usually doesn't significantly change with number of things

[olive sable]

a skirt on amazon seems to be 20 bucks, another 20 for shipping, and another 20 to bribe me

[nocturne olive]

The 3090 though that was enough for it to be worth is since it was so much cheaper than getting locally

[olive sable]

so 60 bucks total

[clear sedge]

60 bucks

[nocturne olive]

Shipping overseas is best utilized for bigger things like that

[dry charm]

You can completly uninstall that. it is just a plugin

Also eclipse?! you are better off with VSCode and command line gradle

[clear sedge]

i use command-line gradle and maven

never the in-editor buttons

[dry charm]

Then why eclipse lol

[clear sedge]

intellij alternative

[dry charm]

yeah put you are not using the IDE part lol

[clear sedge]

i can just worry that little bit less about imports

[clear sedge]

i literally am

when i generate getters and setters

when i import classes

when i rename fields or types

i just prefer cli gradle/maven

[true hemlock]

i do not claim that clanker as mine

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

you both live in europe

what do you mean overseas

[obsidian mantle]

Arent they shipping everything over the sea

[rigid snow]

over which sea

[nocturne olive]

There is a sea in between

[rigid snow]

i guess it would be easier to technically ship it over the sea

overseas just doesn’t refer to this

[nocturne olive]

Silly

Either way the shipping just isn't worth it for something small

[rigid snow]

as far as i understand “overseas shipping” refers to shipping to another country across intl waters

like a long thing

[nocturne olive]

Silllllyyyyyy

[olive sable]

north sea

baltic sea too

[olive sable]

overseas just means over the sea

in or to a foreign country, especially one across the sea.

[maiden geyser]

it's not that expensive

aside from the fact that it's just 3080 with +50% vram and +66% cost on used market

which is surprising since it was +50% cost when i bought my 3080

[olive sable]

it was 520 bucks with shipping iirc.
but with a small income its still a large sum

[opaque sigil]

it's also 100% more vram in the worst case

[true hemlock]

its 3080Ti level, slightly faster

3080 and 3080Ti has relatively big difference btw

[maiden geyser]

still less than diff of 10 and 24 gb

[nocturne olive]

Well I specifically need the VRAM

I got my 3090 for on the order of 550€ with shipping included

[olive sable]

oh ye 550

[wide flicker]

I've been considering upgrading from my 3060 (for gaming purposes mainly) but I am, unfortunately, a broke-ass bitch

[olive sable]

time to get a job

[wide flicker]

I have one but it's in tourist central Florida and it isnt season

[olive sable]

[wide flicker]

Gives me plenty of time though to work on projects which is nice

[olive sable]

imagine being in florida, couldnt be me

[wide flicker]

Im desperate to get outta here dog, ive been here a decade, I dont wanna live where the old people come to die anymore ;-; but moving is very difficult with less than 1k in the bank account

[pliant palm]

do most computers have a built-in c compiler

[nocturne olive]

Not Windows I think

[wide flicker]

Windows doesn't no

[nocturne olive]

But many Linux distros probably come with GCC

[pliant palm]

so what would be the most widespread language aside for architecture specific assembly?

[uneven pulsar]

Bro my rams

while generating ans
But 4 gigs kill whole server

[olive sable]

widespread based on what requirements tho?

[uneven pulsar]

I limited by system

I use default inbuilt modules crash

Import maths

Numpy is too heavy for my system

[rigid snow]

bro what

[uneven pulsar]

@olive sable
@rigid snow
@nocturne olive
Any idea

[nocturne olive]

Wha

[uneven pulsar]

I need some help

[nocturne olive]

I have 0 context here

[olive sable]

"numpy is too heavy for my system" bro has to be running a chromebook or something then

[rigid snow]

numpy too heavy apparently

[nocturne olive]

Get better hardware then

Numpy is like supposed to be the fastest

[rigid snow]

i fucking remember us using numpy on potato school pcs

with like 4gb ram

i don't even know what that is supposed to mean

"too heavy"

[olive sable]

the used projector market is such a scam

brand new 4K projectors are 1.5K, and these people are out here selling projectors with 1080p panels for 2K because it uses a mirror to shift the existing pixels to double the resolution

[uneven pulsar]

2k$ is too much for project!

[olive sable]

if its a good deal and its still available by new years then im fine with 2K

these are jsut all bad specs for a lot of money

[uneven pulsar]

My country at 300$ u get tv 4k or projector (700$) for 4k

[olive sable]

propblem here is a lot of projectors get marketed as 4K because they can procces 4K input

but the actual picture is 1080p

[obsidian mantle]

50000000000 dpi mouse

[olive sable]

apparently they're allowed to do that because allmost all consumer 4K projectors do essentially the same thing

they just put 4 1080p pictures on top of eachother with half a pixel offsets

[olive sable]

the cheaper ones market 4K but dont actually try to get 4K

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

like ye nah, there's no way these will do 4K

[opaque sigil]

c89 probably, pretty much every device in existence has a compiler for it

[true hemlock]

hmmm

which one should i get.......

second one has more promising power phases and delivery it seems but maxsun is more well known

[maiden geyser]

random x3d cpu on a random day be like

[true hemlock]

fr

my main concern is whether those boards will have support for my 7950x ES

i specifically wanted the 600 series chipset for this since AMD are (un)notoriously more picky with engineering sample CPU compatibility

my 13900 ES worked out of the box lmao

[true hemlock]

buy 4 of the 1080p then manually position them

[olive sable]

no

getting 4 1080p ones would be a pain

at least the pixel shifting woudl be more precise

it owuld also be more expensive, cuz theones i showed above for only 150 are in fact 720p

It appears that my pc froze

[true hemlock]

i have a nice 720p for around 60 bucks

for relatively simple home theater setup its fine

the built in sound it has is nice

[olive sable]

Get 25 of the 720p ones for 4K

There's already a 4k 49" tv there, id rather upgrade the room not downgradr

[true hemlock]

damn

yeah 4k tv somewhat cheaper than a 4k projector

[olive sable]

My math was not mathing

Its 9

Not 25

The sound in the projector is irrelevant cuz i wont be using it

[true hemlock]

im saving up for vr headset

• throw few grand to juniper as donation for their hard work on the lava lamp

[olive sable]

"Saving up" and "throw a few grand" should not go toghether

If you have grands to spare, 4k projectors are expensive

[nocturne olive]

If just I was that rich, NeuroSynth would be insane

[olive sable]

brother wtf is "philips designline" ???

who in their right mind thought atrtaching a massive glass pane at the bottom was a good idea?

[shadow sinew]

Good way to hide an ugly cable maybe?

[olive sable]

sure its 200Hz and from 2013

but no

the glare is also insane, because the glas spane covers the entire screen too

[shadow sinew]

Honestly I'd never buy a Philips device ever. They're a zombie brand at this point.

[olive sable]

philips hue is their only saving grace fro me

and ambilight is cool i guess

[uneven siren]

Anyone have thoughts on the DGX Spark? I am thinking of getting one for my own AI dev project.

[nocturne olive]

I would ask if it's worth it

But probably not worth it

[opaque sigil]

it supports cuda while having 100gb of slow memory so unless you need need cuda and that much memory there's no point

[nocturne olive]

It's probably a device designed for high batch training
For inference it's useless if the mem is slow

[opaque sigil]

indeed

[hard raptor]

This is peak navbar design fr fr

[rigid timber]

it's certainly one of the navbars of all time

[nocturne olive]

Depending on the price a regular CPU + 128GB RAM setup may perform better for inference

[opaque sigil]

*need need meaning writing kernels yourself

[rough bloom]

yeah, it doesn't have much going for it
it has a ton of VRAM but it's slow
compute is decent but way undersized relative to the amount of memory
the QSFP ports are at least somewhat unique but only become useful once you have multiple of these boxes

[hard raptor]

Whut? We're writing kernels in #programming now?

[obsidian mantle]

is it possible to calculate chess in gpu

Not make a neural network but do normal calculations

[opaque sigil]

possible? absolutely
worth it? no clue

[obsidian mantle]

So gpu has 10000 cores but they are not universal?

[opaque sigil]

i feel like having to deal with a game tree on a gpu would destroy your perf

they are they're just stupid cores

[obsidian mantle]

But why

Oh perf is performance

[opaque sigil]

idk how much branching and jumping around there would be

[obsidian mantle]

I thought its related to hardware for some reason

[opaque sigil]

if there's a lot then gl

[obsidian mantle]

what can these cores actually do

Multiply matrices? Thats it?

[opaque sigil]

they're general purpose cores they're just not as sophisticated as cpu cores

[hard raptor]

Also the silly libraries i wrote for my wierd way of writing html

[obsidian mantle]

But what does it mean effectively

They cannot do something at all

Or they can but slow?

And some specific things are fast

[opaque sigil]

the latter

[obsidian mantle]

so they are like CPU but reversed

Since cpu sucks at graphics

[maiden geyser]

they're like cpu cores but they're really stupid

in all senses

[hard raptor]

i wouldn't say that..
its more that gpu cores have milions of tiny stupid logic processors for doing a lot of simple tasks really fast.
while the cpu has just a few way smarter logic processors

[olive sable]

graphics are just Massively parallel so a cpu isnt great at them

[opaque sigil]

i wonder how playable crysis is on the new threadrippers

[olive sable]

probably not too bad

[opaque sigil]

the zen 2 one i think it was ran the game okayish iirc

[hard raptor]

it's even so that if you wanna use more complex logic you could make a CPU as effecient at rendering graphics but it's just better to use the simpler equations but just millions more times to get the same effect because it's both easier, and you're not needlessly using the smarter more complex cores taking up precious space for more complex calculations that actually are needed

[olive sable]

the thing with graphics as that its never gonne be that complex. but you're always gonna need to do a lot of it

1080p is 2 million pixels, so at the very least 2 million fragment shaders will need to run

[obsidian mantle]

so if i need to do million simple operations cpu will have to split it among his 8 cores for example
and gpu can split it among its million cores

so its faster like that

[hard raptor]

on the other hand this can be an interesting topic to explore.. i have dipped my toes in it a little bit, but i never really deep dived into it

[hard raptor]

it's more complicated than that.. but i could get a diagram

hold on

[obsidian mantle]

but what is "complex" exactly

[olive sable]

not million, but a 3090 has 10000 cores.
so instead of my 16 cores being used 125000 times each, my gpu cores will be used 200 times each

[opaque sigil]

damn i was going to grab that image

[obsidian mantle]

complex like, predefined operations like some weird "multiply x by y and add z"

and its 1 operation in cpu since it has thingy for it

but not for gpu gpu will have to do x*y then result+z

right?

[olive sable]

you're thinking of specialized computation hardware?

[obsidian mantle]

im trying to understand what does "dumb core" and "complex core" actually mean

because these words are not very precise

[clear sedge]

one has a phd

the other has a spork

you're welcome

[hard raptor]

to explain it simply
a CPU might be faster calculating the 6th power of 10 directly
but a GPU can do it faster by doing 10 * 10 * 10 * 10 * 10 * 10 * 10

[obsidian mantle]

so this graph tells us at least that these cores have less cache

whaaat

power can be done directly?

how

[hard raptor]

this is wayyy over simplified tho