programming

[open copper]

nah

[unkempt citrus]

Thats role dependent

[fast pagoda]

(i know theyre for roles)

[hollow matrix]

NOWAYING

[fast pagoda]

but i literally cannot comprehend what this example is meant to convey because they wont have the gradient and if it's not exactly like the example it will slide right off my smooth brain

[unkempt citrus]

Hey is the clipper role green with agradient to green

[mighty thorn]

I think all of the bots have names starting with “Kaine” and ending with “Corneko”

[hollow matrix]

Staz is a bot confirmed

[mighty thorn]

[fast pagoda]

the only solution is that heir is required to grant upon me

the gradient

thanks in advance

[opaque sigil]

isn't this what it should be like? there are 12 logical cores without smt

[hollow matrix]

Can I have a gradient too neuroWant

[amber fractal]

Sorry for lurking, doing thing

frick

I ruined my own joke

[open copper]

you can have a gradient if youre a vip, a nitro booster, a clipper, a mod, or admin

[fast pagoda]

it is correct yeah

[open copper]

(or twitch mod)

[fast pagoda]

but it leaves me confused because with SMT ON, it also reports 12 cores

[opaque sigil]

actually

there was a thing for disabling a ccd wasn't there

[amber fractal]

Back to my usual colors

[fast pagoda]

and when i turn on x3d turbo (which disables the non-x3d enabled CCD) it reports 6 cores/6threads xd

[mighty thorn]

[unkempt citrus]

-# develop a grass allergy

[amber fractal]

that is not my usual uhhh, what were they again

[opaque sigil]

i don't remember if the X900 ones have 6+6 or 8+4

[fast pagoda]

see #programming message

[open copper]

anyways im not gonna pull the trigger
let me know if thigns feel more weird
and otherwise ill leave it up to other mods on what they decide

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

we are on high alert

[opaque sigil]

oh

[fast pagoda]

expect many false reports shortly

[amber fractal]

Bots will burned then executed

[fast pagoda]

executed then burned, just for fun

[hollow matrix]

How do you even get clipper role? Do you just have to clip once, or is there like a minimum amount of clips or popularity you need?

[opaque sigil]

why does a music player depend on vlc huh

[amber fractal]

no no, we need to have them burn out their tokens, then we execute them

[fast pagoda]

i used to clip a lot and didnt get it so i dont think it's related to actually making clips on twitch itself but likely more like having a verifiable clipper youtube channel or something (wild guess without any factual backing but)

[fast pagoda]

perhaps vlc is the source of the installed codec

which is silly

[opaque sigil]

hmm

good point actually

[hollow matrix]

So seems like the criteria is poorly defined, nice

[fast pagoda]

listen we're in a server for a robot that is literally defined by ~~Fuzzy Logic~~

makes sense to have fuzzy rules

[hollow matrix]

Fair enough

[fast pagoda]

there's ur answer from 2 years ago

this is right about when i joined the server (first time heh) and was clipping so idk why i never really saw this

[jagged turtle]

bit late to the convo but from my experience yeah it seems to be so that they can then dm people with "experience" and understanding of the vibe

im in a non-neuro related server where they have a weird system using onboarding to try and weed out bots, works pretty effectively but the only caveat is that some people decide to ignore the instructions

[fast pagoda]

it's 6+6 and ccd0 is the x3d enabled one on the 9900x3d to my understanding
my stupid hope and dumb assumption is that i restart back to uefi, re-enable SMT now that it's been booted with it explicitely disabled, and suddenly smt will just work

[open copper]

This looks like a post made by Shiro i can just tell

[fast pagoda]

it has the hallmarks of indentured servitude that's why

you can tell he was shaking as neuro made him write it

[open copper]

(It’s the emoji and the saccharine tone)

[jagged turtle]

if there was a way to easily tell if a message was previously posted then it would assist with catching these repeater bots

a suggestion: have @stiff mica plug every message from newly joined accounts with ~5 or more words in it into discord search api (with caching so that it doesn't end up getting ratelimited ofc) to see if that exact message has appeared anywhere. if yes, adds a flag to the account as well as add message link(s) to the original comment(s). after a certain amount of flags are accumulated, surface the account in an internal channel with all saved matches and the relevant links

you could also make it so that every new message from the moment this functionality was added is saved to a separate db so you only need to query api once to get all the old messages and filter out ones with the aforementioned trigger word count

[open copper]

@patent walrus something to look into if this keeps being a problem. Though I’d lower it to 3 messages since these bot accounts don’t speak much

[wide flicker]

yo

[open copper]

Omg it’s 100

[jagged turtle]

could you show a couple messages that these bots send? just to get an idea of what the bots tend to send to try and hide

[open copper]

I’ll get the uids of the ones I’ve banned one sec

[jagged turtle]

sure

[open copper]

I’m getting an ice pop rn so I’m afk

[jagged turtle]

cool

[open copper]

Literally

[fast pagoda]

Based priority haver

[dapper kernel]

[open copper]

1414175730002038805
1414186654847074354
1414186654847074354
heres the UID's from all three bots we have caught so far

they all steal messages from other users and post them

i assume you know how to search for messages from users using a UID

[jagged turtle]

discord makes it easy

but I think I've found a pattern

[tender river]

thats 2 ids

[fast pagoda]

1414186654847074354 and his friend, 1414186654847074354

[jagged turtle]

mhm

[open copper]

wuh one sec

[fast pagoda]

both are using thirst trap pfp

[open copper]

now ive lost the third ID great

[tender river]

these names are really lazy though

[fast pagoda]

what you don't think aoifuwq908fua098da is a real person?

[jagged turtle]

anyways I've found a pattern

[patent walrus]

[jagged turtle]

the bot reposts a message somewhere within the last 6 hours I think

(being conservative)

one for one

even if the emoji in the message is not in the server and they don't have nitro

[open copper]

i tried finding the bot account i banned yesterday but its like
gone

liek i see no trace of me ever banning it

but i KNOWi i did

[jagged turtle]

not even in audit logs?

(if you have access to those)

[open copper]

it would be in staff bot in plaintext

but its not there

[jagged turtle]

try like

[tender river]

🐸

[open copper]

neither gave hits

im confused

[jagged turtle]

searching for "@open copper banned @whatever <insert_id_here>" or however the message is formatted

sorry for ping

[open copper]

its fine you got two of them
the third one was more of the same

[fast pagoda]

go ahead and forward me logs of staff-bot and also all the other staff channels

i wont look i promise

ill only find the ban

[jagged turtle]

mhm

[fast pagoda]

especially i will need all of shiro's posts in the RP channels

[tender river]

one of the mods is behind the bots and is trying to hide the evidence

[fast pagoda]

it's vedal testing nere

[jagged turtle]

they seem to be related

in addition to the most garbage usernames you will ever see even by bot standards, they also seem to post at around the same time

[fast pagoda]

they have the same tumblr-tier pfp as well

well, same type of

[jagged turtle]

also the two bots given to us by heir seems to have been posting messages 40 minutes between each other, give or take

though granted not all of their messages had a 40-minute time limit so it could be that these two were coincidences

i should stop obsessing over this, it's #programming (& tech) not #go-look-for-clues-to-indicate-if-someone-is-a-bot

[amber fractal]

Surely it is on topic

[fast pagoda]

This is clearly the 'this is what neurocord is looking at as a bot, here's how to evade detection' thread

[keen hatch]

very suspicious usernames: d6pjji3vubr2, xb2rizjsa5eqls7

both sent 3 messages

[jagged turtle]

also got the trashy usernames as well

and the same type of pfp

and also newly joined

also has programmer role

[amber fractal]

Adding these two to the list if @keen hatch didn't already

[jagged turtle]

and no art role

and copying messages from other people one to one in the same day (this one was 8 hours it seems)

surely it's not a bot right

one of them even using emotes they don't have access to

[amber fractal]

Already banned strike those

[jagged turtle]

btw what list

[jagged turtle]

-# I definitely don't do that as well xD

[amber fractal]

Sus users, through there is no list

[jagged turtle]

anyways @open copper can you bonk or do we absolutely have to send em in DMs

[open copper]

im back whats up

[jagged turtle]

PSA should also be pinned maybe

[keen hatch]

byxzkqb6sdkce, lqd3piheo3p8t - the same pattern

[jagged turtle]

lmfao we're just outing all of them

what do you do to find those usernames

actually since they are newly joined we can just monitor the welcome hall

[open copper]

the second one was the one i caught actually

i knew i banned them

[jagged turtle]

also helps that vedal-bot displays the actual discord handle in the embed so you don't even have to click on the ping to see it

[jagged turtle]

@heady tendon they are still here no?

[open copper]

nope they are dead

[jagged turtle]

oh no nvm discord caching

classic cache L

[open copper]

dw it was weird for me too for a sec

[jagged turtle]

how long ago have these bots started appearing?

I'm gonna do a "quick" scan through #welcome just to check

[keen hatch]

I did just that (searched by ID) and looked at neighboring messages with strange nicknames and looked for the messages they wrote.

[fast pagoda]

ladies and gentlemen i must interrupt your bot catching to announce to no applause that i found the hidden 4th SMT toggle inside gigabyte's god-forsaken uefi setup and re-enabled it

oops i did not mean to respond to that with this post

oh well now you have been tagged so enjoy

[jagged turtle]

I have indeed been tagged

[fast pagoda]

also if you have a gigabyte mobo, you have to disable/enable SMT in like 4 places in uefi setup in order for it to do anything at all

so that's super user-friendly

[jagged turtle]

@open copper just combed through the welcome channel and also found xb2rizjsa5eqls7, k278b0hmr2by5, d6pjji3vubr2, ky22ilfwmihozkw

also distraction

(notice how it says deleted user at the top and then an actual user at the bottom)

(it actually is a deleted user btw)

[jagged turtle]

they all joined on 16/10/2025 AEST (3 days ago) as well

so

yeah

any mods who want to get a little trigger-happy, have fun

[olive sable]

Damn i fixed my sleepchedule and missed all the fun

[uneven pulsar]

Kill my server
It cannot stoping

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile me getting sick kinda made it so it's now 9:30am and I woke up at 9pm from a bit of sleeping

[uneven pulsar]

Pc is freeze

[olive sable]

Say patato if you're real

[open copper]

im gonna gon on a bot slaying spree brb

[uneven pulsar]

Button is not working

[olive sable]

@uneven pulsar Say patato if you're real

[wide flicker]

[uneven pulsar]

Why

[olive sable]

Do it

[uneven pulsar]

Still why

[olive sable]

...

[wide flicker]

To be fair, dog does play genshin

[olive sable]

To be fair to what?

U mean hmmf?

I cant see im on mobile

[wide flicker]

Si senor

[olive sable]

Lemme get to my pc

https://tenor.com/view/kon-anime-anime-girl-willcore-gif-24034970

[open copper]

i have slain the bots

[hollow matrix]

Just make the file

[short ingot]

So I'm not the only one that makes the AI output summaries for me to understand what it did, nice to know!

[hollow matrix]

Yeah, it can be helpful

Anyway gn

[open copper]

can i test a neurobot feature in here
ive never done it but ive seen vani do it and i wanna see how it works

[hollow matrix]

[amber fractal]

Sure, just use bwaa as the keyword

[hollow matrix]

!bwaa

[stiff mica]

• Superbox complains the device is way too pricey and Sam🔺 argues $100 is cheap; Superbox explains they spent money on a 3090 and rely on student benefits / have no income. [Link](#programming message)
• UnemployedLilac posts a long, joking/concerned rant about “anime girl thigh sweat” merchandise, prompting reactions about biohazard and AI-generated content. [Link](#programming message)
• konii 2.0.1 and Sam🔺 exchange emoji spam and casual greetings, creating lighthearted chatter in channel. [Link](#programming message)
• UnemployedLilac explains a model is being continuously pretrained on an Nvidia H200 cloud GPU, and community discusses cloud vs local GPU use (Superbox prefers local due to cost reliability). [Link](#programming message)
• Superbox talks about being stuck with a 4070Ti + 3090, NeuroSynth VRAM/batch-size tuning, and concerns about overfitting during training. [Link](#programming message)
• afunyun.pt, Firecrafter [Happy BDay Shiro🎂], and toast.🔥 debate AI CLIs (Claude Code, Gemini, glm-4.6), Linux vs Windows behavior, and using AIs for terminal/file operations. [Link](#programming message)
• Heir (Queen of Ermcon) issues a PSA about bot accounts copying messages; moderators and users (afunyun.pt, FMs/KTrain.ts, others) investigate, ban suspected accounts, and propose automated detection ideas. [Link](#programming message)

[tender river]

tldr?

oh

sent too late

[amber fractal]

tldr time

[open copper]

giv eher a sec shes reading 500 messages

[hollow matrix]

neuroLoading~1

[stiff mica]

• Heir tests a NeuroBot feature and NeuroBot [Council] responds with the expected bwaa output, showing bot functionality being exercised. [Link](#programming message)

[open copper]

the defaults 100, and i can do that through ephemeral message
but ive never done the longer one in a public chat

[open copper]

you are so smart

[tender river]

did you know you can do /tldr 1 and then neurobot will only summarize the reply to your commanditself

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[hollow matrix]

Perfect

[tender river]

(being an empty message)

[stiff mica]

A TL;DR has been requested within the last 15 minutes [here](#programming message). Try again <t:1760859059:R>.

[open copper]

boooo

[hollow matrix]

[hollow matrix]

smh why can't everyone access the command

[open copper]

it was intended for the public to use
idk why it isnt

ask vani

[hoary lion]

woah

new feature

[tender river]

old feature

[hoary lion]

[open copper]

the features a lil over a year old now

[hoary lion]

what

never heard of it before

but its so good

[open copper]

normally because i use it this way

it was made to be an easy way to catch mods up to speed when shits happening in a busy channel

[hoary lion]

[open copper]

also it costs like a couple cents per month of its useage via openAI
so its not expensive at all

[tender river]

more expensive than my income

[hollow matrix]

Why not let all server members use it with no cooldown? I'm sure tutel could pay for it

[open copper]

i mean vani is being paid by tutel so

hes technically paying for it

(actually i dont know what goes on behind the scenes with the upkeep of the bot and its server, vedal might actually just fully pay for that actually)

(i wouldnt know)

[hollow matrix]

smh why does vani get paid and not shiro, rigged

[open copper]

because shiro doesnt code for him

[hollow matrix]

Eh, fair enough ig

[open copper]

vani from what i understand, which isnt a whole lot, does a LOT of the behind the scenes work that vedal cant do sinc ehes focusing on developing neuro and evil

[olive sable]

shiro does chess tho so that at least counts for a couple cents

[amber fractal]

Paid back in tax to VedalAI

[open copper]

she does stuff for the themed streams from what shes said in chat
tho i havent asked her more

it might be totally her work idk

[hoary lion]

this has to be some kind of elite ball knowledge

btw hi sam

[olive sable]

i would have expected the mods to know more about eachother and what they do ngl

[olive sable]

[hollow matrix]

From what Vani has been saying in the discord it seems like she's been running a lot of the streams recently too

[open copper]

i know a lot of what she get sup to
but this is vedal inner circle stuff
and im not quite there yet

confidentiality is key when you get closer to working with vedal i assume

speculation: i bet shes seen stuff that nobody else will ever see.

[olive sable]

#justiceForHeir

[hollow matrix]

But we need leaks

[hoary lion]

you know too much ahh fate incoming

⚠️

[open copper]

i mean i also know a good bit
but not like
inner circle knowledge

[hollow matrix]

[olive sable]

did someone say fate?

[hoary lion]

oh no

[open copper]

sometimes ill know a week ahead of time who neuro is collabing with

[hoary lion]

[open copper]

stuff like that

[hollow matrix]

And that is...

[open copper]

evil

she will call evil on tuesday

[olive sable]

leaked

[hollow matrix]

I mean your not wrong

[olive sable]

i dont watch those streams so i actually dont care

[hoary lion]

true

we here for #programming and its peak-ability

[olive sable]

i would watch more streams if there was more tech stuff

which is why i watch the subathon

[nocturne olive]

Ain't no way this song is 75**.5** BPM

[hollow matrix]

mhm STRM_TITLE

[olive sable]

if there is no subathon this year, i guess its not too big of a deal. but if there's no game-jam i will riot

[nocturne olive]

It's extracted from STRM_TITLE.bcstm from the game Project Mirai 1

Ain't no way LMMS doesn't support fractional BPM

What am I gonna do now

[tender river]

reaper

[hollow matrix]

Anyway gn fr

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what that is but does it have fractional BPM?

[tender river]

[nocturne olive]

Is it free?

[tender river]

its like winrar

[nocturne olive]

I kinda dislike software like that

[tender river]

[olive sable]

how expensive is winrar even?

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, I downloaded it and then never even used it

[nocturne olive]

Because turns out 7Zip can RAR

[jagged turtle]

how do I campaign my school to let me use linux

[olive sable]

The price per user decreases with the number of users. For example, a license for 100-199 users is around $8.00 USD per user
nah this shit aint expensive at all

[nocturne olive]

You convert them to Linux fans

[olive sable]

dualboot

im forced to use photoshop so i have no choice

[nocturne olive]

Eh, guess I'll try whatever the thingy is, assuming it's not a pain to get set up on Linux, and if it's too annoying I'll just use LMMS when I don't need fractional BPM

[hollow matrix]

Should I buy the maximum allowed amnt of winrar copies (4,001) ?

[jagged turtle]

dualboot doesn't solve a core issue though...

[jagged turtle]

why

[hollow matrix]

idk

[nocturne olive]

Seems a bit dumb

That money could get you, I don't know, a H100 to donate to NSP

[hollow matrix]

Also what kind of limit is 4001? why not 4000?

Ok, actually gn fr or I'm going to die

[jagged turtle]

brother what

[olive sable]

bruh

when is 12 releasing again?

[nocturne olive]

12 will be even worse

[olive sable]

ye

i know

[nocturne olive]

I've heard as bad as that it'll completely remove mouse and keyboard support in favor of voice AI control

[jagged turtle]

mfw localhost doesn't work

[nocturne olive]

And always run in the cloud

[olive sable]

in cloud, maybe, but no mouse or keyboard, thats cope

[nocturne olive]

Who knows, that's just the worst-case I've heard tossed around

[jagged turtle]

lmfao what

glad I didn't try to make an osu! map during then

[nocturne olive]

Whaa

Windows is a scuffed pile of garbage

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Well let's see what this weird thingy does

[jagged turtle]

this happened on patch tuesday btw

[nocturne olive]

Ok it doesn't access the audio device that's what it does

[jagged turtle]

I forgot about that

"patch" my ass bro how

[nocturne olive]

Uh huh
Why does the dependency want to remove WINE????

Oh it wants to install WINE AMD64

Weird

Have I somehow been running 32-bit WINE this whole time?

[true hemlock]

> 4000 instead of >= 4000 moment

[true hemlock]

where did you get this one i wanna read the doompost

[nocturne olive]

I forgor, some YouTube video

I don't know, was like 11 reasons to move away from Windows 11

Or something like that

[nocturne olive]

It wants to use PulseAudio, I seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Silly but sure

Interesting, clicking away makes imported audio file waveforms disappear

[tender river]

it supports both pulseaudio and jack

probably other backends

[nocturne olive]

Well that other thingy did not appear to work and also got rid of my WINE for a bit

[tender river]

did you try to install jack

my best recommendation nowadays is just pipewire for everything

it has low latency

and compatibility with both jack and pulseaudio

[nocturne olive]

Well JACK just failed to do anything

It would not find a valid audio device with JACK selected

Anyway how do I even place notes in this?

This thingy is weird

[tender river]

https://dlz.reaper.fm/userguide/ReaperUserGuide748c.pdf

or https://www.reaper.fm/guides/REAPER Quick Start.pdf

or any of the online resources

ye daws each have subtly different workflows but not that different

[short ingot]

Have anyone ever got in that situation where, when you push something to a repository with a unit test. You end up having to fix like a billion things just to satisfy the ci?

[pulsar viper]

I don't know it's like you get ahead but all for nothing. It's like fighting against something that's wrong in order to fix it. Or it's just trying to look at the text and find the meaning. I know that I am the worst option because I will never make it but I try. I try to do it but no one has it anymore

the only use was there and try something. I look around and know that it was already but when someone deleted the time

[nocturne olive]

What do you mean subtly different this is so different I don't know what I'm really even looking at in places
LMMS was way easier

[tender river]

lmms barely has any features

[nocturne olive]

Well the features it has are more intuitive to use

[tender river]

you had to spend time learning to use them

dont expect not to spend time learning to use reaper

[nocturne olive]

Eh I was able to find how to place notes in seconds in LMMS

Here I haven't found it yet

[tender river]

midi track

[olive sable]

just dont do unit tests

[nocturne olive]

And how does one change the type of a track?

[tender river]

please just use google or the manual

[nocturne olive]

I'm trying to read the manual but it's gigantic

[tender river]

ye thats fair

[jagged turtle]

that is the point of unit tests

[tender river]

read starting from section 13.5

[short ingot]

I know... but sometimes it is annoying to me. since I make like a billion mistakes sometimes

[jagged turtle]

again, that's the point of unit tests, lol

[short ingot]

to be annoying? maybe not. but they are kinda annoying sometimes

[obsidian mantle]

now im confused about tests again

how can a test work with program that didnt exist when test was released

so if test is "a program that runs another program" then how does it know how to run it

[jagged turtle]

?

[obsidian mantle]

or is unit test something else

[jagged turtle]

unit testing is when we test the application in different scenarios

represented by units

I think

[obsidian mantle]

oh so it just tests the same program but with new updates

[jagged turtle]

yes

[obsidian mantle]

its not entirely new program

[jagged turtle]

I mean you can add unit tests to "entirely new" programs

[obsidian mantle]

they will be different tests

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

you you

i appoint you as superbox reaper explainer

ye good luck

[rigid snow]

i have not touched reaper ever

[tender river]

that's enough qualifications

[rigid snow]

gg

[nocturne olive]

Wha

[olive sable]

amazon family sharing has a 180 day cooldown

[maiden geyser]

oh no, devs have to type 127.0.0.1 now instead of localhost

tragedy of the century

[olive sable]

i mean, there was no reason to break it

[maiden geyser]

there was no reason to break a 20 year old game, but somehow it also broke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poEo0GrQTtQ

[olive sable]

ok ye but that was the game's fault due to uninitialized variables

[short ingot]

https://github.com/Nakashireyumi/neuro-relay/blob/main/src/dev/nakurity/server.py
Yall how bad is my implementation of the neuro backend

[maiden geyser]

how were they even supposed to know that localhost doesn't work anymore before pushing the update

[short ingot]

It keeps crashing, and I can't for the life of me, figure it out

[olive sable]

class NakurityBackend checks out

that is indeed you

[short ingot]

Yea

How bad is it?

[olive sable]

tbh i have no fucking clue i never used it

[short ingot]

Entire codebase is like 3 or 4 files (init file doesn't count)
https://github.com/Nakashireyumi/neuro-relay/tree/main/src/dev/nakurity

(.venv) PS A:\neuro-relay> python -m src.dev.nakurity

[Nakurity Backend] has initialized.
a
b
[Intermediary] listening on ws://127.0.0.1:8765
c: True
d
e2
e3
[Nakurity Backend] starting relay backend...
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\Python310\lib\runpy.py", line 196, in _run_module_as_main
    return _run_code(code, main_globals, None,
  File "C:\Python310\lib\runpy.py", line 86, in _run_code
    exec(code, run_globals)
  File "A:\neuro-relay\src\dev\nakurity\__main__.py", line 63, in <module>
    asyncio.run(main())
  File "C:\Python310\lib\asyncio\runners.py", line 44, in run
    return loop.run_until_complete(main)
  File "C:\Python310\lib\asyncio\base_events.py", line 646, in run_until_complete 
    return future.result()
  File "A:\neuro-relay\src\dev\nakurity\__main__.py", line 55, in main
    loop.add_signal_handler(signal.SIGINT, lambda: stop.set_result(True))
  File "C:\Python310\lib\asyncio\events.py", line 553, in add_signal_handler      
    raise NotImplementedError
NotImplementedError
(.venv) PS A:\neuro-relay> 

Ignore my debugging attempts

[olive sable]

we love having a chat with the amazon customer support

[short ingot]

I know what caused that error. I was trying to start the backend server, but my implementation is worse than working

[jagged turtle]

it also breaks 127.0.0.1

[obsidian mantle]

::1: ?

[jagged turtle]

::1 is IPv6?

[obsidian mantle]

hmm maybe

looks fine to me

maybe i dont have the update or my windows version is different

[rough bloom]

it doesn't break localhost routing entirely

just HTTP/2 for some reason

(and hopefully not everywhere, just probably some HTTP library)

[jagged turtle]

they got a rollback fix ready asap so you probs got it

[obsidian mantle]

there was some weird update earlier this week

[jagged turtle]

I mean can we also blame the 30% AI-generated code at Microsoft Corp?

[rough bloom]

got baited by sensationalist headline

[jagged turtle]

not sensationalist though, since it did happen

and people did complain

[rough bloom]

blame lack of internal QA
this really should've been caught by some automated test

[obsidian mantle]

some preferences got rolled back (startup programs got enabled/disabled like after i had system freshly installed) and welcome screen was weird. also it was showing wrong timezone in welcome screen

[rough bloom]

localhost did not break
specifically some HTTP/2 web server thing broke

[jagged turtle]

the only testing we do is testing in prod

[jagged turtle]

I thought it only broke localhost?

not like

http/2 entirely

[rough bloom]

yeah, but not localhost in general

[obsidian mantle]

im going to be so mad if win11 actually dies and everyone moves to linux and i was using win11 for nothing what are the chances

[rough bloom]

and most headlines kinda just neglect to mention that

[jagged turtle]

I mean either way that kind of a fuck up is prime :AINTNEURWAY: moment

[jagged turtle]

[#programming message](/guild/574720535888396288/channel/1071784467036913664/)
- im going to be so mad if
+ im going to be so mad when

[obsidian mantle]

[rough bloom]

yeah, this really should've been caught before such a wide rollout
at least they fixed it quickly

[obsidian mantle]

they rolled it back 2 days ago

[jagged turtle]

wait forgot

- im going to be so mad if win11 actually dies and everyone moves to linux and i was using win11 for nothing :neurOMEGALUL: what are the chances
+ im going to be so mad when win11 actually dies and everyone moves to linux and i was using win11 for nothing :neurOMEGALUL:

[obsidian mantle]

why ~1

[jagged turtle]

uploaded neuro emotes to a private server because everyone there is fans of neuro

more or less

[sage crag]

umapyoi

umapyoi

umapyoi

fighter

[clear sedge]

yaoi

[olive sable]

honse

https://tenor.com/view/skipping-rope-horse-girl-tokai-teio-tokai-teiou-oguri-cap-gif-13701460221288950902

[olive sable]

they fixed it

imagine customer support supporting the customers

insane idea i know

[maiden geyser]

the linux manilovschina situation is insane

[umbral thorn]

freedom

[tender river]

gpedit

[uneven pulsar]

I will fix code later

~/discord $ npx nodmon run start
npm error code E404 npm error 404 Not Found - GET https://registry.npmjs.org/nodmon - Not found
npm error 404
npm error 404 'nodmon@*' is not in this registry.
npm error 404 npm error 404 Note that you can also install from a
npm error 404 tarball, folder, http url, or git url.

code: 'EADDRINUSE',
errno: -98,
syscall: 'listen',
address: '::',
port: 3000
}

Node.js v22.20.0
[nodemon] app crashed - waiting for file changes before starting...

What a chaos 😮‍💨

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-air-crackles-with-freedom-freedom-freedom-motif-freedom-leitmotif-deltarune-gif-5365731118974958347

[uneven pulsar]

Http log
=>
05:19:23.917 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK
04:59:52.293 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK 04:08:48.562 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK
04:08:28.001 UTC POST /interactions 502 Bad Gateway
04:08:21.384 UTC POST /interactions 502 Bad Gateway 04:05:29.342 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK
04:05:15.144 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK
04:05:07.602 UTC POST /interactions 502 Bad Gateway
04:02:36.815 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK
03:59:09.419 UTC POST /interactions 200 OK

[true hemlock]

get to see this bad boi again

should i delid it, i have the tools but not the balls to do it on such chip

[obsidian mantle]

ok if i remove sorting completely then i have 1020 tokens bot

its such a bad idea

[olive sable]

didnt it run cool anyways?

besides that one time you did 7.2GHz

btw, does higher clock speed directly corelate to higher performance?

[uneven pulsar]

Server build

[uneven pulsar]

Input = ∞
Output = 79 tokens
input+ output

[obsidian mantle]

whar

[short ingot]

Anyone here willing to help me work on #1428980640895733820 , I've just now realized this might be a very big project

[olive sable]

[short ingot]

sooo, that's a no I assume?

[olive sable]

sorry, im busy with my own stuff

[short ingot]

Yup, guess'd it. It's okay, I don't mind

[olive sable]

maybe someone else here?

[short ingot]

Yeah, maybe.

[uneven pulsar]

const memory = [];
const personaPrompt =
"You are AIDA, a calm, curious, and friendly AI assistant. " +
"You speak in full sentences and are always kind and helpful.>

let seed = 1337;
function randn() {
seed = (seed ^ (seed << 13)) >>> 0;
seed = (seed ^ (seed >>> 17)) >>> 0;
seed = (seed ^ (seed << 5)) >>> 0;
return (seed % 1000) / 1000 - 0.5;
}

[short ingot]

what's this

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[olive sable]

congrats, you have embed perms now

[short ingot]

ty. didn't I already have that?

[olive sable]

idk

someone got it

[short ingot]

Yea

[uneven pulsar]

LoL

[obsidian mantle]

what happens if i free() same pointer two times

pointer to array

[uneven pulsar]

function layerNorm(x, eps = 1e-5) {
const n = x.length;
let mean = 0;
for (let i = 0; i < n; i++) mean += x[i];
mean /= n;
let variance = 0;
for (let i = 0; i < n; i++) {
const d = x[i] - mean;
variance += d * d;
}
variance /= n;
const out = new Float32Array(n);
const denom = 1 / Math.sqrt(variance + eps);
for (let i = 0; i < n; i++) out[i] = (x[i] - mean) * denom;
return out;
}

function relu(x) {
const out = new Float32Array(x.length);
for (let i = 0; i < x.length; i++) out[i] = Math.max(0, x[i]);
return out;
}

[short ingot]

I'm confused on why you keep pasting code here. This is not pastebin, sir

Atleast give us some context

[uneven pulsar]

Saving old code here 🙂

[short ingot]

and... how are you gonna find it later, during the next day (like... 200 messages later). I would assume there is a better way, but okay!

[uneven pulsar]

Simple search i create a hash code

[obsidian mantle]

1e-5 thats interesting

[short ingot]

I... have no idea what you meant, but okay!

[olive sable]

memory leak

[short ingot]

anyone here?

[uneven pulsar]

I won't work untill I have paid

[olive sable]

there is neuro integration in vscode

you could maybe ask those guys

[uneven pulsar]

Which part of code ! I heard first time

[uneven pulsar]

Oh

But why ?

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

you called?

[olive sable]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1350968830230396938

oh

he's here

[jagged turtle]

I can feel you summoning me

wait shit I didn't think that through-

[olive sable]

this person wants to do windows integration and is asking if anyone is willing to help

[jagged turtle]

i've been trying to help already

but I am a bit busy rn with j*b simulation (vocational training course) and school and such

[olive sable]

i didnt read the thread so

[uneven pulsar]

I won't help in integration
Go watch video

[jagged turtle]

also i've been trying to say that integrating the vscode extension is an exercise in insanity

[short ingot]

Your help was very helpful tysm!

[jagged turtle]

due to the way it works

[short ingot]

I am a little stupid sometimes, sorry!

[jagged turtle]

nah you're good

[jagged turtle]

?

[olive sable]

please be nice to the people here

[short ingot]

uhmmmmm, why so aggressive?

If you don't want to help, just say so. I don't mind

[jagged turtle]

you are expecting videos to be made on how to integrate the neuro api into your games (or not games)?

[olive sable]

i wish it was that easy ngl

[short ingot]

Me too

[olive sable]

i am blissfulyl unaware tho so let me jsut slip out of the conversation

[jagged turtle]

if you are working on neuro api stuff you are expected to understand concepts like tool caling, prompt engineering (somewhat) and programming obv

[olive sable]

[jagged turtle]

[short ingot]

I somewhat understand that. I have been reading the documentations, but I still get confused

[uneven pulsar]

Craft PROMT hmm

[jagged turtle]

i wrote alternative docs on https://ktrain5169.github.io/neuro-sdk-docs, tried to make it more understandable to get into, not very finished though

[short ingot]

okay!

Actually... that is way better docs than the python docs for the sdk

[jagged turtle]

it's supposed to be more high-level

I never finished the python docs

and maybe I won't ever because there already is official docs

[short ingot]

true...

[jagged turtle]

I haven't finished the JS docs as well lmfao

maybe end-of-year project

[short ingot]

yeah

[uneven pulsar]

Negative promt=> HELLO , HI ,YO

[short ingot]

errrm, actually. KT I assume you're working on vscode integration right?

[jagged turtle]

(this isn't even my own project lmao)

[short ingot]

lol

[uneven pulsar]

LOL

[jagged turtle]

that being said I need to sleep soon so I'll see any requests tmrw

[short ingot]

Okay!

[uneven pulsar]

I WON'T ALLOW USE NEURO API BECAUSE OF
( SYSTEM LOCK ISSUE BY AI OFFENDED )

[short ingot]

Wdym?

[tight tinsel]

theres no way this isnt a ai talking

[olive sable]

the integration wont have any influence on the windows lockscreen

i think thats pretty much impossible on stock windows

[short ingot]

Actually, I'm not sure about that. It is using windows-api

https://github.com/Nakashireyumi/windows-api

I'll test it rq

[olive sable]

surely you cant get locked out of your pc cuz of it?

[short ingot]

You can't. But I assume neuro can spam actions to the API and keep your mouse in one place. But I'd hope she would get tired before that

[rigid snow]

100’s alter ego i’m calling it

[short ingot]

The API priortizes the most recent action, if hers is more recent than yours. then her action is priortized

[olive sable]

huh

i guess there really is a need for that 8000hz pulling rate on my keyboard

[rigid snow]

pulling rate

[olive sable]

havent even bothered increasing the pulling rate on linux, its still at 1K

[short ingot]

Okay, I tested it. Windows-api can work in your lockscreen

[rigid snow]

minor spelling mistake

[olive sable]

what?

[rigid snow]

[short ingot]

Unintended bonus feature, I thought I'd have to code a cusotm handler for that lol

[olive sable]

i dont get it

pulling rate?

[rigid snow]

it’s polling not pulling

[olive sable]

ah

fair enough

[short ingot]

Since neuro-os relies on windows-api, neuro-os can infact work in the windows lockscreen :D

Chat so dead

[uneven pulsar]

Cry about that

[short ingot]

waht

[uneven pulsar]

It is not freaking 7pm

[olive sable]

why is bro so angry?

[short ingot]

yeah.

why so

Don't take out your bad mood on others!

[olive sable]

it is in parts of asia, where a decent amount of chatters here are

[faint sandal]

ur right

it's 9pm

get ur timezones right

[uneven pulsar]

Long in short =>
Bad day
Hand got injured
Relative taunt
Ban from Instagram

Left one

[trim valve]

can wiztree stop exploding please

it does not like interacting with 50TB of files for some reason

[uneven pulsar]

What are u doing WITH rams ?

[uneven pulsar]

Tell me

Bye I have other works

[trim valve]

im just wanting to find duplicate files 😭

but there's a lot of them so

[short ingot]

Powertoys.run search is pretty good if you have all files indexed

[trim valve]

I

do not think powertoys will solve my issue

[short ingot]

That's true, I was stupid sorry lol!

[trim valve]

I wish smb had an easy way to do this

[short ingot]

Wait- You're doing that over network???

How long have you been waiting? it'd be atleast 6+ hours for me

[trim valve]

uuh

well its not comparing by content or anything

just filename + filesize

[short ingot]

oooh, so just reading the index?

[trim valve]

ig

[short ingot]

well... windows fs is pretty slow

[trim valve]

this is a samba network share so its not strictly a windows fs

[short ingot]

But... isn't window's fs reading it? Maybe not, since you've said that

[trim valve]

idk as slow as windows is its fast enough for me

[short ingot]

People have different needs, some can stay and wait for hours. some just have a speedy pc

others just give up (which is me lol)

[trim valve]

if I wanted to do something funny like md5 every file this is like the absolute minimum time

assuming I only use one pc

lol

someone broke ssh to our server

[short ingot]

who would do such a thing?

[trim valve]

no idea

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

oh a classic

I forgot the port

Speed: 10000Mb/s

surely this isn't a bluff by vmware and I actually have 10gigabit to the NAS

and surely the it admins wouldn't explode me if I did that

tbh I don't even really need to md5 most stuff

its pretty obvious from name and file size when files are like 40GB each

[olive sable]

Tacos time 🌮

[hexed grove]

yall am i an old man for disliking rust

i just cant get around ownership and the borrow checker

[trim valve]

just abuse clone and reference counting, ezpz

[fast pagoda]

this injured me in the eyes so i felt the need to share just how epic this font is as a terminal font

this is finally a font choice worse than samsung handwriting font that people apply on their phones

but at the same time it kinda goes a lil hard i feel like

[olive sable]

Ewwwww

No

[opaque sigil]

This would go hard af if it was monospace

[amber fractal]

A little hard, impossible to glance at

[fast pagoda]

reminds me of those biker shirts with goofy very specific things on them

how 2 make a font monospace
i have an unecessary amount of font-modification things installed on here as random dependencies so

[opaque sigil]

We need more funky monospace fonts

[fast pagoda]

im all for it

i change my font, along with all the other things in my ui in general, at least once or twice a week, systemwide

to a very slightly different font usually

[olive sable]

The fobt itself is fine, its the spacing i hate

c a c h e

[fast pagoda]

yeah, it's cuz it's non monospace obv so it gets monospace enforced on it

by making the spacing huge

[amber fractal]

s wa p

[olive sable]

r o o t

[fast pagoda]

t m p

[short ingot]

chat, we might need a timer for how long my debugging session with vit is going on for neuro-relay at #1428980640895733820 (context repository: https://github.com/Nakashireyumi/neuro-relay/ )

its been hours

and I was tryong to fix this issue hours before this session

like.. the entire past 2 days

[fast pagoda]

it cant be longer than ive been procrastinating looking at the thread for the website ive been intending to fix for the last 3 weeks while getting constantly pulled in other directions

2 days is epic for an ongoing effort to fix something lol

[short ingot]

my longest debugging session had been over 3 months at a time.

[fast pagoda]

after about 6 hours i usually say ok i need to do literally anything else

[short ingot]

trying to fix a single ISSUE THAT CHATGPT FIXED IN UNDER A MINUTE

[fast pagoda]

lule

that's salty

[short ingot]

my stupidity exceeds this world's limits sometimes lol

[olive sable]

Ive been known to power through 14 hours of debugging, followed by 12 hours of sleep and a break to watch anime

[fast pagoda]

trying not to capitulate and just ask the oracle and then u spend 2 days and it fixes it like that

rough

probably learned more than you would've though maybe (guess it depends on what the fix ended up being lolo)

[olive sable]

i am back from my journey to get tacos

they were good

there were fries inside them, classic belgium putting fries inside everything

[short ingot]

i somehow am still alive for not aleeping for over 2 days.

I am just now procastinating on sleep, at my bed rn. And still on my laptop

[olive sable]

sleeping is generally helpfull in the quest to find bugs

[short ingot]

its past midnight

[olive sable]

go to bed

it will be way easier to debug stuff once you have a fresh mind

[short ingot]

uhmmmm, my determination to fix this is too high. Maybe in a couple of hours.

maybe this is why im so stupid at times lol

[amber fractal]

del taco does have potato based tacos, so maybe they are on to something

[olive sable]

square tacos

[short ingot]

now I'm hungrrry

[fast pagoda]

one of the only things i ever get from taco bell is the tater taco

[amber fractal]

I was tempted to order that when we got tacos yesterday

[fast pagoda]

that thing + the fiesta potatoes are my saviors when i have to eat tb

[maiden geyser]

why does https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1067400152698077194 require push to talk? mods forgot to change a thing?

[fast pagoda]

@amber fractal wouldnt stop singing 1950s opera solos while afk so they had to do that

all you need to know is that it was for the good of all

[maiden geyser]

not even why 1950s opera solos exactly?

[fast pagoda]

spontaneous & organically selected (complete RNG i just said some shit)

[faint sandal]

not really the mft is extremely fast for getting total file info

[short ingot]

oooh i didnt know that

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

now you mention this, why is this not usable by the search index service without having to do further indexing?

[olive sable]

heir joins vc and is immediatly like "Damn you iggly, this is an interventian!!! you need to STOP singing 1950's opera!!!!!"

and since then it has been push to talk

[fast pagoda]

mft supposedly has an entry for all filesystem files which i imagine must include the path so it's effectively a pre-made index or at the very minimum a basic list that could be reconstructed into a searchable index easily i'd ASSUME

[fast pagoda]

this is true, i was there

[maiden geyser]

do you have a favourite NTP cerber by any chance

[short ingot]

not really... but maybe smb?

[faint sandal]

it is

[faint sandal]

[fast pagoda]

im looking into it now after saying that and i have found at the very least that Everything uses it

[faint sandal]

yes

everything uses mft so it's fairly fast

[olive sable]

everything the app?

[faint sandal]

that and it is cached into the index db

[fast pagoda]

yeah the search tool

[olive sable]

i see

very confusing to read

[fast pagoda]

i had been using everything on windows since like 2010 and i literally never bothered to think about how it worked

that's wild

[faint sandal]

mft isn't the only reason everything is fast

[fast pagoda]

right i mean i know it do be indexing and/or at least piggybacking the one that windows already creates if indexing is on

[faint sandal]

the file entries are cached into the db and file entries are somewhat present in memory as well

[fast pagoda]

i did note it has a fs monitor component at all times which helps it feel very immediate w/ updates if you search brand new files, since it'll already have them (unlike older wandows search at least a while ago, could take time for windows to even realize the file exists in the FS)

• indexes file contents too which helps w/ accuracy obviously

i disabled baloo on linux because it was using cpu at all times so that was pretty cool
one regression from windows, maybe the only one i can think of outside of paint.NET refusing to work

[faint sandal]

the closet you're gonna get on linux is fsearch which is still slow compared to everything

[fast pagoda]

baloo is actually quite fast and i found it very comparable IF it's allowed to run of course which is a problem because last time i did that it stalled w/ about 45k files left to index and just never ever finished no matter what but continuously used resources like it was indexing those files
otherwise it was nearly a 1:1 experience as far as search speed/accuracy

i will try fsearch though as it was not previously on my radar really other than seeing it in the aur

have been mucking around with random fuzzy search packages slowly

well it has started with the important stuff on just the fastest drive imaginable so it's doing great so far

blazing speed

the guy who owns the repo for this is also a larger contributor to DeaDBeeF (audio player) which is cool but given that he puts up a crisp 20 commits in a year seems not many of them make it to fsearch xd

[umbral thorn]

@true hemlock

[uneven pulsar]

I cannot sent 40 gb in discord server

All model data in here

Audio generator is 40gb

[fast pagoda]

good job elvyn

[fast pagoda]

if only nitro enabled free mass storage

[opaque sigil]

just chunk it

[uneven pulsar]

Cheak this

[uneven pulsar]

I won't

For better understanding read all documents

[fast pagoda]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/3c2c4ea4d56f31d380862a4ecbe13edf7ac0aa007acf879a77347cdad0ecaa1d

[fast pagoda]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/5aa5408cf00f71c83f928a701f713e6f92b9d3f1f0b2bba561e0f31bcaf263b2

[fast pagoda]

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/3ef8107d695da876ed951dfcb788b4529fc75e11b3591abc7af58bcacebd20ed

no horrible spookies in these looks like

in case anyone was wondering

[uneven pulsar]

I will curl it

[fast pagoda]

this one references a bonkers amount of arxiv urls (it's longer than shown here lol)

and otherwise they just do adobe stuff hooray no horrible trojans today

[civic pike]

Hey guys sorry if this isn't the place for it. But I kinda want to make my own game one day and I was curious if anything like this would help. Or if I'm better off with like YouTube videos?

https://www.humblebundle.com/software/2025-learn-unity-game-development-bundle-software?hmb_source=&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=mosaic_section_1_layout_index_3_layout_type_threes_tile_index_3_c_2025learnunitygamedevelopmentbundle_softwarebundle

[fast pagoda]

i would not purchase anything for what is ostensibly free to use and learn about at least at first, my opinion

not that those aren't good resources, i dont know but they're probably fine

[woven quail]

true

[civic pike]

Fair enough. I kinda figured that since the internet is pretty good for that.

[fast pagoda]

but might as well start out and see if you even care enough without spending anything ya know

[civic pike]

I just want figure how to even begin that process.

[civic pike]

I made a impulsive purchase on a art tablet for Prime day. Used it once.

[uneven pulsar]

Server founs

[fast pagoda]

in general i find the best learning happens when you have a legitimate objective to achieve and you figure it out along the way

[uneven pulsar]

~ $ % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
100 160k 100 160k 0 0 71025 0 0:00:02 0:00:02 --:--:-- 71078

[fast pagoda]

so for example in like general programming, since you're autoengaged from pursuing your intended functionality, making random tools & programs that you wish existed but don't is a super good way to learn how to do random things and build some sort of baseline understanding, if you're just trying to follow a course im sure that works for some people but as a feller who benefits from adhd treatment i can't do that at all unless i am already interested and motivated to keep it up for some reason internally

[maiden geyser]

put it in ```

[fast pagoda]

me w/ 50+% of my purchases tbh, real

[uneven pulsar]

else if (//software/[^/]+$/g.test(window.location.pathname)) {
window._hbdl.page.name = 'software bundle product detail page';
} else if (/(^/checkout)/g.test(window.location.pathname)) {
window._hbdl.page.name = 'bundle checkout page';
} else if (window.location.pathname === '/membership') {
window._hbdl.page.name = 'choice landing page';
} else if (window.location.pathname === '/membership/checkout' && window.location.search.indexOf("du>
window._hbdl.page.name = 'choice checkout page';
} else if (window.location.pathname === '/membership/checkout' && window.location.search.indexOf("du>
window._hbdl.page.name = 'choice membership selection page';
} else if (window.location.pathname === '/store') {
window._hbdl.page.name = 'store landing page'
} else if (/(^/store/c/[^/]+$)|(^/store/search$)|(^/store/search/sort/)/g.test(window.loca>
window._hbdl.page.name = 'store category page';
} else if (/(^/store/[^/]+$)/g.test(window.location.pathname)) {
window._hbdl.page.name = 'store product detail page';
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[fast pagoda]

once upon a time i was planning upon being the greatest guilty gear player of all time and bought this thing
lost interest after a day and before i got this, so now my cat sits on it (hence the cat hair stuck under it lol)

[uneven pulsar]

I basically scrap all

[obsidian mantle]

how do i access methods of this class

python

[civic pike]

Lol. Yeah I want to basically just make the whole game from scratch (minus the engine) and just see what I could do.
Appreciate the advice and hopefully I can get myself motivated to try something.

[uneven pulsar]

Use class

[obsidian mantle]

is it even allowed, assign class to some variable?

and then use its methods?

idk python but in c++ it should have been a pointer or smth

[uneven pulsar]

U can use class function

[fast pagoda]

start small so it doesn't feel overwhelming so like if it were me i'd just try to poop out something that resembles moving a character around or something, just to literally see something working, it helps w/ motivation to have tangible progress which thankfully any dev related thing is chock full of immediate gratification & feedback

[obsidian mantle]

class?

fuck

[civic pike]

Damn. I really wanted to get good at Smash Bros melee but my main problem is I hate using the joystick for fighters. Always prefer a d-pad.
So I got an adapter that let's me use a N64 controller for playing Melee online, but for irl stuff I can't use it.

[obsidian mantle]

_ _ class _ _

DISCORD FUFCK

i hope you get what im trying to type

nothing

[civic pike]

So maybe based on your advice, I could maybe figure out a way to get the n64 controller to work on Gamecube through an adapter.

[fast pagoda]

if unassigned, intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client.initialize() , if you have assigned it a value already you can just call the client.<METHOD> directly (which you are assigning to client rn)

so like you could use it w/ client.send_to_neuro()

[obsidian mantle]

see its white, doesnt exist

[civic pike]

Thx for the pep talk and advice. You have a good one!

[fast pagoda]

you'd do

client = intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client

# after that
client.initialize()
client.blahblah

[obsidian mantle]

its methods are supposed to be used somewhere else so i cant just call client. form there

nono i want "intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client" to be global

and client remain local here

so i assign it but cant access anything

[fast pagoda]

no problem! i hope you find the motivation and make something because it's truly satisfying

[obsidian mantle]

but i need to access it

[fast pagoda]

is this inside of a function

[opaque sigil]

might be missing a type hint somewhere

[obsidian mantle]

yes

in main

[fast pagoda]

if it's white i think it would be saying that intialize() does not exist on client

[obsidian mantle]

but i assigned it 1 line before

i can access client's initialize but cant access the client's alias's intialize

[fast pagoda]

what is the class you're trying to instantiate rn

[obsidian mantle]

some big ass class from another file

should i use pointer or smth

[opaque sigil]

there are no pointers in python

[fast pagoda]

assigning it doesn't change what client is. If client doesn't have initialize(), then intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client won't have it either

[opaque sigil]

what is intermediary

[obsidian mantle]

another class from another file

it has it like this

none by default

[civic pike]

Sorry last thing.
You know going for something I can be motivated on, I have this obscure PS2 game that I know will never get a remake. And seeing those UE5 projects people inspired me at point to try a remake of just one level. But my PC was too slow at the time. Probably too big of an ambition for now tho lol.

[uneven pulsar]

True

[opaque sigil]

self.nakurity_outbound_client: NakurityClient | None = None

it doesn't have any type info to work with otherwise

as far as python is concerned that variable can be anything

[obsidian mantle]

and i can access this anything?

[opaque sigil]

well yeah

[obsidian mantle]

it just doesnt show me its accessible

oh

[opaque sigil]

yes because it can be anything

what would it show you

other than the things that are available for every type

[fast pagoda]

if you're defining this as part of a function you'd just do like

def foo():
    client = NakurityClient(arg, argwhatever)
    intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client = client
    client.initialize()

and then anywhere else i think you should be able to just intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client.initialize() to use it. the client.initialize() in the function def would let it work locally

what happens if u just send it and run it, i never trust type hints like this

[opaque sigil]

should work as is

but no autocomplete, need to help it a lil

[fast pagoda]

ya i think the type hinting is leading you astray really

this is why responsible python wizards simply type everything Any or never use any type hinting at all

[obsidian mantle]

doesnt work

exists in main

[fast pagoda]

that method would work on NakurityClient

not intermediary

[opaque sigil]

you want intermediate.nakurity_outbound_client

[obsidian mantle]

oh right

blind me

[fast pagoda]

resp = await self.intermediary.write_to_websocket(fwd) -> resp = await self.intermediary.nakurity_outbound_client.write_to_websocket(fwd)

[obsidian mantle]

alright it worked i think

[fast pagoda]

if you wanted to you could define a wrapper inside class Intermediary to eliminate the need to write so much nested shit

[uneven pulsar]

~/python $ ls
counter.txt number.js
~/python $ nano counter.txt
~/python $ python number.js
1921
1922

[fast pagoda]

to return self.nakurity_outbound_client.write_to_websocket(data) if you call self.intermediary.write_to_websocket(fwd)

[fast pagoda]

sorry got lost in the sauce for a second. that sounds like a reasonable longterm goal, perhaps a deceptively large target though.
just to give you an idea of what you'd actually need to handle - you'd need 3d modeling or 2d artwork/sprite work depending on what you're going for.
complimentary to that, you'd want a solid grasp on texturing (models, materials, all that).
you'd need to work with rigging and be able to come up with at least some basic animations if the originals can't be lifted and reused, or if they can't be accessed to "heavily inspire" you
lighting is also something to figure out at some point
then there's actually constructing the environment to dump all that stuff into -so being able to produce a basic environment in a game engine and apply all the above to it and the characters you place in it
you'd want sound to exist so either reuse the original, remaster it, or create from scratch
and to put everything together you'd want to make it actually enjoyable, so you'd need a decent grasp on the game design which means defining and implementing the level objectives and making that all work in a reproducible way with scripting and whatnot
all of this would need to happen in something like UE5 or whatever engine, so you'd need enough of a grasp on that ecosystem to successfully implement and tie together everything above

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

sam knows these things fairly well more than most i'd imagine given the tendency to be working on game engines for funzies at all times

[olive sable]

lemme read the whole backlog

[fast pagoda]

but that's not to say it's impossible it's just a lot so you should start with like, single scoped things is all im saying lolol

[civic pike]

Yeah that's definitely a long term goal.
I had one point a rather sketchy, but functional program that managed to rip the assets of said game, mainly all the textures and 2d artwork used but I couldn't even begin to wrap my head around as to what I can even do with it.

Idk if those textures could even work since apparently ps2 games are pretty hard to deal with going of googling.

[olive sable]

a PS2 game seems like a fair goal if you're just starting out at making games

the low poly art style means performance wont be an issue and most of the common pitfalls shouldnt be an issue

3D modeling is not too hard, there are some great tutorials out there

for the art, PS2 has a couple different types of these, but msot of the time you either have realistic images in low resolution due to the low vram, or stylized textures

[fast pagoda]

since it's that old there's surely methods to convert and reuse those assets

[olive sable]

most of the time you're good with just learning some photoshop and lowering the resolution before you export

[civic pike]

Starting at 27:30
i would LOVE to even try to remake this level and make it look halfass decent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG3PnfXFOYY

[olive sable]

ye this seems doable

[fast pagoda]

those assets look to be in a decent shape from the start if you get them out of the iso

should be easily reusable

or used for a base

[olive sable]

the cutscene is prerendered and saved as a video on the disc, so those used higher polycount assets

for the actual game you wont be using nearly that much

it seems like the gameplay has maybe 4 number polycount and the cutscene maybe 5 or 6

[civic pike]

Alright. Still it seems to big as a first project, but I love this game dearly. Enough to get the games symbol tattooed to my hand so motivation is there.

[fast pagoda]

the later drakengard games (3) used unreal engine

[civic pike]

PCSX2 may be able to dump a few of the textures too.

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/Surihix/Drakengard1and2Extractor

idk if this thing works still

but seems maybe relevant

[uneven pulsar]

Maybe I need disable notification in discord

[civic pike]

I think that's the one I found b4

actually no that's a whole new different one.
Thx man

[olive sable]

is your goal to make it liek on the ps2, or to make one thats "better"?

[fast pagoda]

ayy

also this program can allegedly read the extracted models https://www.bluegartr.com/threads/127278-Noesis-3D-model-viewer-and-extraction-tool

[olive sable]

cuz you could use some devtools to make it run on actual ps2 hardware

[civic pike]

Gameplay wise about the same. Graphics wise I'd like to try and make it better.

[fast pagoda]

https://richwhitehouse.com/index.php?content=inc_projects.php&showproject=91 <-- the actual site i guess of the guy that wrote it and hosts it here

this dude apparently worked on jedi knight 2

based

[civic pike]

Cuz like gameplay wise I think it's already good. It's just Ace combat but on a dragon.
Especially the weight and feel of said dragon. Drakengard 2 messed with the air gameplay too much to where the dragon felt like you were controlling a paper airplane.

[fast pagoda]

from my reading rn looking into this they apparently had one hell of a time with getting that into a fun state

jamming ace combat and dynasty warriors together into a game is a concept

w/ dragons

wee

[olive sable]

idk what engine you plan to use, and i dont use any myself so i cant really give any help on that front. but you should learn at the very least 3D modeling, uv-unwrapping, texturing, and vertex deformation with armatures

[civic pike]

Yeah I'm familiar with the history.
It was supposed to just be at first ace combat but with a dragon.
Than dynasty warriors got popular and Square wanted there to be that gameplay.

[fast pagoda]

drakengard 3 using unreal i feel like kinda makes unreal the best choice

but also unreal is a bummer of a choice to be faced with

if for no other reason than you can likely yoink assets from that to be quite beneficial

maybe

[civic pike]

Yoko Taro wants yo remake the games but Square isn't willing to spare the cash.
Which Sucks cuz Neir automata did well for them.

[olive sable]

for me usign unreal is more work trhen to just use raw opengl

[fast pagoda]

i feel like if that dude has a game idea it should be like a kojima idea and they should just send it

even if it's a remaster

[civic pike]

I'm down with anything really.
I only said UE5 cuz of all the cool projects people were doing with them at the time.

[maiden geyser]

why do you use dots

[civic pike]

For real

[olive sable]

hating on unreal is trendy these days, and for good reason.
lets jsut say its easy to make games, but also easy to make bad games with unreal

[civic pike]

You mean periods?
This? ....

[fast pagoda]

his periods are 2E 00 FULL STOP according to my screen here

which is normal no

[olive sable]

...

dot dot dot

i dont use dots at the end of a single messge, cuz i dont need to

but i do use it once i put multiple sentences into a single message. like this

[novel flare]

Good afternoon

[fast pagoda]

i put ellipses at the end of sentences if i want the person to think i'm either pissed or brooding..........................

[civic pike]

Theoretically it shouldn't be that hard then.
I'm just literally copying homework and I've played the game most of my life so I know how it should feel.
But that's just a theory.

[fast pagoda]

depending on how compatible everything ends up being it could be as easy as ripping from like drakengard 3 assets, messing w/ them and dropping them back into UE

still gotta script gameplay and such tho

[novel flare]

Could you summarize what happens with unreal?

[olive sable]

unreal engine has a lot of presets that aren't exactly good for performance nor visual quality. i would say unreal has the highest barrier of entry ofd all the game-engiens cuz of the amount of ways you can fuck up without even knowing

[fast pagoda]

unreal is just unoptimized ootb mainly and hard to get gud

what he said

[civic pike]

You know that is a good point. I have the physical game already backed up on my PC for RPCS3. So maybe that could be the better starting point?

[olive sable]

this

[civic pike]

Is it a issue with my RTX 4080?

[civic pike]

Interesting.

[olive sable]

depends on if you consider it an issue

[fast pagoda]

i'd at least look into the textures and such present in a more accessible format (already in ue3 format is pretty accessible to me) with good detail (naturally look significantly better being from ps3 and years later) to skip a lot of 'busywork'

models perhaps

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

idk how much changed in the games to where that might not be useful if things are wildly different

[civic pike]

Alright. I'll look into that first and see what I can come up with.
Cuz yeah that seems way more "plausible" then trying to rip from ps2.

[olive sable]

try to use texture atlasses for models that are loaded in at the same time

dont overdo it tho cuz of texel density

[civic pike]

Gameplay is different.
Due to budget the in air combat on the dragon was made on-rails not free flying like the other 2.
But the ground combat was pretty decent, till you hit the sub 30 fps.

[olive sable]

and dont use a texture atlas on a model that will be used in different scenes, cuz then you load the entie texture while only using a small part

idk how this stuff works in unreal tho

at the very least you should have more than 32MB of RAM and more than 4MB of VRAM, so texture quality should already be an improvement

basically, you learn best by tryign to do the thing, if you have any questions we might be able to help here if you want, altho most of us also dont know unreal that well.
worst case scenario we ping the guys that used unreal engine in the game-jam

[civic pike]

Well appreciate greatly all the advice and talking points. I guess it seems like what I'd have to do is get UE3 on my PC and see if it can even open these files.
Looking at them they all are "xxx" format which seems to be they are locked and encrypted.

[civic pike]

Sounds good.

[olive sable]

ah yes, encryption

[fast pagoda]

as long as the models/textures/animations are even slightly applicable i'd say worth hahha

https://github.com/SlowpokeVG/Drakengard-3-.xxx-Importer

[civic pike]

For sure. I never thought about using D3 as like a base since the game is on UE. thx for that.

[civic pike]

Jesus you're fast.

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/Surihix/Drakengard3xxxToMp3 <- just mp3s but i figured i'd mention it

[civic pike]

I knew I liked github b4 with all the modding but idk how'd I missed all this for Drakengard.

[olive sable]

https://www.reddit.com/r/drakengard/comments/11o12lf/drakengard_1_and_2_file_extraction_tool_is_now/

this for 1 and 2 i guess

if you want any of those

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/LadyFuriae/Drakengard-Re-De-Make i have absolutely no way to know what kind of quality is contained here but this person appears to have broken into at the very least some form of attempt at a remake and therefore has a lot of stuff defined in headers and source files here, may or may not be helpful, it's recent but been dormant for a minute (7 months)

looks very early

might be helpful in some form tho

[civic pike]

Wow guys. Thx a lot!

[olive sable]

no prob

i do gamedev myslef so its jsut cool to see projects like these

[fast pagoda]

that's the power of ignoring my own responsibilities

[olive sable]

im also a 3D modeler if you need any help

[fast pagoda]

yeah sam is a good person to run into for a query like this

[olive sable]

id use vulkan but i cant in good faith recommend anyone to use that

[fast pagoda]

vulkan my beloved thing to hate

i actually have 0 beef with vulkan tbh

[civic pike]

Sick. I gotta go here soon got friends waiting on me.
But thanks a lot for everything you've been an inspiration.
Hopefully I figure all these things out.

[civic pike]

What games have it as an option I usually get better performance.

[olive sable]

ue5 uses directx mostly afaik, but has options to use vulkan

[fast pagoda]

this place is full of us just posting the borked bits of whatever we're working on, hopefully we'll see you in here doing the same when things go wrong (they will and that's ok)

[civic pike]

Lol. Sounds good man.

[fast pagoda]

depends on the setup, currently i get better inference speed on vulkan backend in llama.cpp than i do w/ cuda somehow

such is the dark magic of computing

[olive sable]

Doom (2016), Doom Eternal, Baldur's Gate 3, Dota 2, and Valheim, Crysis Remastered, Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Detroit: Become Human, Half-Life 2 (since a 2022 update)

idk if these use it optional or nativly, but they do support it

[fast pagoda]

doom and doom eternal run great in vulkan

[olive sable]

Detroit become human looks sick but idk what they use

[fast pagoda]

it's a custom license

license

engine

they built the engine for the game