programming

[uneven pulsar]

import numpy as np A = np.array([[2, 3, -1],
[-1, 4, 2],
[3, -1, 1]])
B = np.array([5, 6, 4]) X = np.linalg.inv(A).dot(B)
print(X)

[uneven pulsar]

import random
import math

items = ["Sakura", "Mehoyo", "Evenight", "RAKESH"]

Randomly pick an item

picked_item = random.choice(items)
is_rare = random.choice([True, False])

if is_rare:
print(f"You got a RARE item: {picked_item}!")
else:
print(f"Sorry, no rare item this time. You got: {picked_item}")

[olive sable]

arent you supposed to put imports at the top?

[uneven pulsar]

I almost forgot that

[olive sable]

"almost"

[rigid snow]

i don’t think you have to in python

i mean you still should but you can put imports wherever

[olive sable]

i thought they had to be at least before where you use them?

idk

its been a while since i used python

[rigid snow]

well duh

[rigid snow]

i don’t know how it looked before the edit

[olive sable]

they had it at the very bottom

[uneven pulsar]

https://youtube.com/shorts/a4ePX1TTd5I?si=eLC-sxi552lUFYbe

Embedding FAILED

[obsidian mantle]

random import placement

random #include placement

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/a4ePX1TTd5I
link is different for some reason but this is the video right?

ngl the guys' face looks ai generated

i might just be losing my sanity

[uneven pulsar]

Yes

[rigid snow]

it’s not different sam

[olive sable]

there is what i assume is trackign info then at the end

???

[obsidian mantle]

soldering chips wtf

[olive sable]

imagine soldering chips

[rigid snow]

ye

[obsidian mantle]

well you probably can do it

[olive sable]

wdym? chips are normally soldered

[obsidian mantle]

i didnt get the part where they got "higher memory firmware"

[rigid snow]

patched vbios

[obsidian mantle]

[olive sable]

just to make the gpu use the extra vram or smthn idk

otherwise its still in 24gb mode

[obsidian mantle]

yeah makes sense

[manic jacinth]

You joke, but this is common practice when you're doing a lot of C metaprogramming codegen stuff.

[uneven pulsar]

I hate yapping

If any Admin, mod ,owner help me to get image permission

[olive sable]

faq

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1326303411041206303

[brittle flame]

guys

[brittle flame]

My computer merged the partitions and restarted to become grub

[olive sable]

intentional or?

[modern gulch]

Can Someone ping a moderator btw

There may be a security flaw on the discord server

Idk if this has been fixed here already? It's possible they may have already fixed the issue
It was posted like 10 months ago

I saw this on another discord server and thought I should drop it in here

Title - PSA: Discord added a New Raid and Scamming Method...
https://youtu.be/6vjG34uyPz0?si=h1VMYmPwWKrTKj0V

[olive sable]

as long as "use external apps" is off it should be fine

and i dont think its on in neurocord

is it?

yep its off, virtualfisher message is only visible to me

[modern gulch]

Ok just wanted to make sure

The swarm must protect

[obsidian mantle]

yes i would like to narrow

works

can i pack this into 64bits though

what did shiro say, 64 max i guess

since api uses 64

[clear sedge]

omg i'm running worldedit 0

[obsidian mantle]

build 0

[clear sedge]

it's john worldedit

[olive sable]

you might need to update

[clear sedge]

no

[trim valve]

is it a good sign when ddrescue makes smaller and smaller images every run

:3

[lament igloo]

idk if its just me but i feel like chatgpt is slowly becoming useless
shits so bad that googling stuff is suddenly faster than chatgpt

[olive sable]

i may have fucked up slightly

i let someone use my prime video login to watch something, and apparently if you're logged into prime video you also are logged into amazon normal

[lament igloo]

its from 10 months ago, its definitely patched here considering that the admin of this server is a regular on #programming

[lament igloo]

holy fuck, finally

D1 SQL is making me question why there's different variations of batch sql queries

[gritty dust]

Slightly he says

[olive sable]

they didnt spend any money, they just put stuff in my search history

and my family is logged into my account

[uneven pulsar]

Mess loop code

Sql hmm use apache parquet

Best for data storing

Hmm

Thin this is bad

[obsidian mantle]

signed char a = -50 & 0xff;
int b = (signed char)(-50 & 0xff);

is a = b

im getting weird results trying to compact static value positions of pieces

what if its not -50 but some 0xE2D8D8CEE2D8D8CE

[clear sedge]

i mean it should be, you're basically doing int b = (int) a;

or well

yeah it should be

[maiden geyser]

signed integers and bit operations

[clear sedge]

we love (hate) signed integers

[obsidian mantle]

i forgot why i need to do &0xff
it should not be necessary after conversion anyway

[clear sedge]

technically overflows are undefined behavior

[obsidian mantle]

i just need to cut everything except last byte

[obsidian mantle]

it must be defined

[clear sedge]

[obsidian mantle]

im pretty sure half of programs rely on it being defined

[clear sedge]

signed overflows are undefined

generally you'll get the same behavior, but that does not mean it's defined

some obscure machine somewhere in buttfuck florida might not get the same behavior

[obsidian mantle]

so if i have 0xff
and i do +1
it becomes 0x100=0x00

and -1+1 = 0

pretty defined to me

[clear sedge]

i believe unsigned overflow is defined

[obsidian mantle]

yeah it works if im working within char range

and stops working if i have int

right right it looks pretty weird

not so defined when you have type conversion

[obsidian mantle]

right

[clear sedge]

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/ub.html

[obsidian mantle]

so i might have been screwed by optimisation too

x != b here

[maiden geyser]

imagine if c had eflags

[clear sedge]

this isn't

signed char a = -50 & 0xff;
int b = (signed char)(-50 & 0xff);```
this is ```c
signed char a = -50 & 0xff;
int b = (signed char)-50 & 0xff;```

[obsidian mantle]

ooh

true

it worked

[clear sedge]

[obsidian mantle]

thank you

[clear sedge]

you're welcome

[maiden geyser]

why do they use gotos? are they smart?

[clear sedge]

i shared this here before

[maiden geyser]

location

[clear sedge]

tomato

[sage crag]

frogsmog

[lament igloo]

its not loop code, its just me testing every code change

[sage crag]

if you need overflow dont use signed

[sage crag]

promt

[obsidian mantle]

i need it to be signed in the end

[sage crag]

no, you dont

all signed operations have unsigned version

and signed and unsigned integers have interchangeable representation

[obsidian mantle]

how do i pack a row of like
-50 50 30 -20 0 10 30 50
into 64bit number
and then unpack it while not losing sign
maybe it is possible but it sounds painful

[sage crag]

int32_t x = -1;
if (x < 0) return 0;

uint32_t x = -1;
if (x > INT32_MAX) return 0;

negation still works on unsigned integers just fine

[obsidian mantle]

is it relevant in my situation at all

im getting a 0..255 number which is signed

so -128..127

[sage crag]

ok so crazy here

just pack it as unsigned 8 bit integer

then cast to signed

[obsidian mantle]

thats what i did

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

exactly what i did

wait why are we discussing it i forgot

something something overflow

[obsidian mantle]

oh its because i wasnt sure if this works

and it does i was having another problem i didnt see while casting

my old bot wins against new bot
my old bot loses against stockfish
my new bot wins against stockfish

rock paper scissors situation somehow.. new bot just gives away queen against old bot for some reason and thats why he loses
old bot just sucks overall

[sage crag]

wrr

[sage crag]

dumbot

[obsidian mantle]

ches

[sage crag]

has footgun

[novel flare]

on what personal projects are you all working on? maybe I can get inspiration

[nocturne olive]

Vocal synthesis

[tender river]

programming language for incremental computation

[obsidian mantle]

why cant i run multithread simultanious games tournament in cute chess

is this the part when im supposed to make it myself

[clear sedge]

game engine

[novel flare]

O- Okay nevermind... LOL

You guys operate at a higher frequency than I

[novel flare]

How does that work?

[nocturne olive]

Simple

[novel flare]

Ah I see

[nocturne olive]

Yes indeed it is very simple

[sick owl]

https://says.com/my/tech/this-washroom-makes-you-watch-a-30-second-ad-before-giving-you-toilet-paper

Nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare

[torpid coral]

Has anyone had to make a weight change function with an evolutionary algorithm?
I'm just not quite sure exactly how I should change the weights if the corresponding mutation occurs

[unkempt citrus]

??

how the fuck do they make money

[sick owl]

Adge

[unkempt citrus]

my trips to china have always been emphasised with bring your own TP

to the bathrooms

I have family there too so Id expect that to be normal

I guess women with small purses

But I'd expect most people to carry some

[opaque sigil]

interesting

[uneven pulsar]

ads

duh

Server = >
Child (python flask)
App.js => main (discord.js)
Command.js => python

Transformers=> ai ,key VALUE, weight => ERROR IN KEYVALUE (PYTHON, CPP )

[sick owl]

People often underestimate how lucrative the ad business is

There's no real estate better than the inside of your noggin

[uneven pulsar]

What I sleep 8pm => 10am
Actually sleep 11 pm or 12 am => 5 to 7 am

[olive sable]

goodmorning

my sleepschedule is not scheduling, its 3.30am

how did this happen???

[balmy nacelle]

[uneven pulsar]

Good morning guy

Making exploit 🙂

Import RAMDOM

[paper creek]

you're welcome :Clueless:

[uneven pulsar]

Code generator is cooked

Stop spaming my console log

[uneven pulsar]

Anime is basically cartoon
They just name random to do people say

Unique

If it’s Japanese-made with stylized eyes, detailed hair, and emotional storylines → it’s anime.
If it’s Western-made, simpler art, funny or episodic → it’s a cartoon.

Basically: Anime = Japanese style & story,

Cartoon = Western style & humor.

[wide flicker]

...yes??

[uneven pulsar]

I miss a hidden gem call anime

[proud ivy]

She's cute.

[uneven pulsar]

My favourite cartoon is
Scooby dooby,
The Incredibles,
Coco ,

My favourite movie
Interstellar,
Marvel all movie

[proud ivy]

Is this JavaScript?

[jagged turtle]

I thought this was supposed to be a tech channel

[jagged turtle]

yup, with a bit of sql

[proud ivy]

[proud ivy]

Yes. I think so.

[jagged turtle]

#1350968830230396938 (not technically personal but I spend my personal time on it so surely it counts )

I have more projects as well but I don't think they can fit

[dense sky]

Does anyone here like Java

[jagged turtle]

other j word

[uneven pulsar]

I make one in one single

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[jagged turtle]

-# nah that'd go to jira (right?)

[uneven pulsar]

This is a java script

[proud ivy]

[dense sky]

I taught myself Java through decompiling minecraft

[jagged turtle]

nice

[uneven pulsar]

What 🤣

[dense sky]

I then proceeded to try to add a 128 bit primitive to the JVM and failed spectacularly

[uneven pulsar]

Noch said I will make minecraft 2 in js

[jagged turtle]

???

[uneven pulsar]

Have u cheak twitter tho ?

[proud ivy]

I only master Python. https://github.com/project-aico

[uneven pulsar]

I hate use public statment in Java

[jagged turtle]

?????

[proud ivy]

And I also vibe code in TypeScript and Go cause I'm a noob.

[uneven pulsar]

Vibe coders hmmm
Maybe I need one in future

[dense sky]

If you vibe code you- there you go

[jagged turtle]

there you Go

[dense sky]

But for real the most impressive thing I've done probably was fix up the entire mc codebase to use longs and doubles instead of just ints and mostly doubles, making the game able to generate out to (2^63)-1 on both X and Z axis

[proud ivy]

I do MVPs in Python. Then the web prototypes (mostly in TypeScript) are created by vibe coding.

[uneven pulsar]

Start line first
Here is
X = 3,-3
Y= 3,-3

[proud ivy]

[dense sky]

This is and forever will be excruciating

Before 1.3.1 (or 12w18a) it's not fuck you levels of hell, but it's not fun for sure

After that though, it's just mind numbingly difficult

Because of the client server merge

[graceful pasture]

interesting

[opaque sigil]

Oh heir didn't snipe them

[final tinsel]

so im tryna make a program on my calculator that can take a single loop circuit of resistors and voltage sources and automatically calculate current, voltage, and power. I've got it working somewhat at least, as it successfully calculates the total resistance, but the main data output shows all zeros... and I don't know if its a display problem or calculation problem. ive attached screenshots of my output and the practice problem from my textbook im using for reference.

oh also its in TI-BASIC for my TI nspire CX II CAS

[uneven pulsar]

I think

[uneven pulsar]

I'm cheak ure code

[uneven pulsar]

U compiled it bro

I need decompiler

[final tinsel]

heres the text itself but its formatted a bit weird cuz yk its not made to be pasted outside the calculator and a pdf with what its supposed to look like

-# also, do i have a reason to make a program that can handle like every edge case for this? no. but i wanna.

[uneven pulsar]

Whar very weirded one

Matrix (dm) loop indexing mismatch

vap (voltage accumulator) and rap (resistance accumulator) logic is broken

[final tinsel]

oh right

i forgot to finish implementing the vap and rap logic

RIIIIGHT i remember where i was now

i had to pause workin on it cuz midnight was coming up and i needed to actually finish the assignment i started this for first

[uneven pulsar]

Lol

[jagged turtle]

?

did a scam come here again

man I wish my school let me use linux without having to deal with infinite bullshit

[opaque sigil]

Bots

Albeit harmless so I guess it's fine

[jagged turtle]

fuuuuuuuuuuun

what ended up happening

did they spam some crypto bs

[opaque sigil]

Nothing they just copy random messages from here lol

[jagged turtle]

lmaoooo

[olive sable]

i love vr

but man do i hate getting vr to work

rotation works, movement doesnt,
audio works, mic doesnt
stereoscopic 3D works, but its wavy

[uneven pulsar]

Vr project

[olive sable]

its fucked on both linux and windows

windows i probably can just reinstall some drivers, but i wish i could use linux ngl

it seems to be mostly cuz openhmd doesnt support the oculus rift method of base stations

im giving up on getting linux oculus rift to work

[ivory plinth]

bwaaa

[olive sable]

[patent shard]

someone sent me a model and holy crap, it picks up the backing vocals so well
don't know if it's overdoing it, though

[blissful geyser]

i monetized my bot commands (this is definitely not gonna be abused in anyway)

[uneven pulsar]

Bro soo clear

[uneven pulsar]

What model name

[olive sable]

chatgpt be mining crypto on my poor cpu core

C17

[patent shard]

it was Gabox, they just sent one called "last melband roformer"

it wasn't on huggingface

[uneven pulsar]

What ure spec

[olive sable]

5950x, 3090, 64gb

[uneven pulsar]

Memory eater

[olive sable]

the memory is fine, i have enough to spare

[uneven pulsar]

Calculator the model oss
170 = 170 gb vram

[olive sable]

i dont have 170gb of vram

[uneven pulsar]

We can use sli

[olive sable]

170gb would require 7 3090's tho

4K for the gpu's too

[uneven pulsar]

If ure gaming then don't use sli most game are using single GPU

If ure coding, ai stuff use sli

[olive sable]

im using the chatgpt website so it shoudlnt use vram anyways

but like, having an llm model running in the game is a potential goal of mine

[glad path]

amazon I hate to break it to you
but
this isn't a laptop cooling pad...

also what the fuck happened to those hands

they look so scraped

[olive sable]

ah yes, the ipadtop

[glad path]

haunted socks

haunted gloves

[olive sable]

socks in #programming ill allow it

gloves tho

programmer gloves

[glad path]

it's literally like 10:30 come on

[olive sable]

its like literally not 10:30 in my time zone

[glad path]

"software"

who tf is buying a software update on amazon

[opaque sigil]

Interesting, google safe browsing is blocking www.amazon.de for me now

[olive sable]

what

[opaque sigil]

Maybe they have a personal vendetta against cloudfront

oh nvm it's already back to normal

Weird

[amber fractal]

https://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Photoshop-Elements-Software-Activation/dp/B0FSBC2BZS

[amber fractal]

This is facts, and the reason I stopped playing vr for 6 months

couldn't keep up maintenance

[glad path]

but like no one is installing the new windows from amazon

or macos

or osmething

[amber fractal]

About that...

[glad path]

no one is installing it with amazon

maybe purchasing a license

but like

[amber fractal]

Agreed, but the listing exists

https://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windоws-Home-OEM-DVD/dp/B09MYJ1R6L?s=software

oh my lord it is a disk

That is more funny than installing it from amazon itself

[amber fractal]

@olive sable Want to watch this movie, I hear it has mixed reviews; abandoning their hardcore audience and just a cash grab.

[olive sable]

102 euro

[patent shard]

hmm, it MIGHT be this one
uploaded just 4 hours ago to huggingface
not sure, though.. I didn't test it

[olive sable]

i never paid for windows luckily

cuz im usign linux, im not dualbooting

[amber fractal]

I think it is slightly cheaper than digital. That cost is offset by having to buy a dvd reader in 2025

Anyone want to do a chart of what prebuilts have disk drives and which ones are able to be upgraded to windows 11?

[olive sable]

"what prebuilts have disk drives" im geussing about 0.2%

[amber fractal]

Makes me question who in the frick is buying this. Odds are mostly every PC that can accept disks can't upgrade to windows 11 due to TPM

[nocturne olive]

SLI is pretty bad, the 3090 has NVLink which is the much more useful enterprise equivalent

[nocturne olive]

Well Wayland should be designed for that as far as I know

[olive sable]

desinged for what?

[nocturne olive]

Being able to do weird stuff like VR that needs very odd display configurations

[olive sable]

idk

the sensors jsut arent working

but

i have maybe found a reason

im using ports at the left

they're apparently usb 2.0

which actually just makes it weird that it worked before at all on windows since they're very specific about needing 3.0

[nocturne olive]

How silly

Well I don't know anything about VR, too poor to get VR stuff

[amber fractal]

I've done 5x 3.0, though you only "require" 3 slots 3.0

headset, front left, and front right

the others can be 2.0

[olive sable]

ye but my mains were on 2.0 apparently

and the oculus meta shit app didn't say a thing about it

[nocturne olive]

VR is weird

[amber fractal]

That'd do it

-# smh, the oculus app was also really bad at saying anything

-# If VRC didn't have as bad of a stroke existing in a VM with what I got to work with I'd put up with wired VR

[olive sable]

the sensors have been promoted tot he blue usb's

headset is now in the red one above the usb-c

and usb to my monitor which had a hub to my tablet and drawing tablet is demoted to a usb2

[opaque sigil]

I have my keyboard in the 10 gig port like a real gamer

[olive sable]

same

all the red ones are 10 gig

[opaque sigil]

Mhm

[olive sable]

lan is only 2.5 gig smh

ignore that my house only gets 100mbps

[opaque sigil]

That's more for local network speed anyway

[nocturne olive]

I've been a bit low on USB ports ever since I got the 3090, since I had to remove a USB expansion card with 4 ports

[opaque sigil]

No spare usb headers?

[nocturne olive]

Where would I even connect them though?

[olive sable]

it seems like some position data is coming through now

[opaque sigil]

Idk pop off a pcie bracket and just route them that way

[olive sable]

the only time ive had a usb expansion card it fried my usb stick

never buying of temu again

[nocturne olive]

And how do I do that when there are GPUs in the way?

[opaque sigil]

There's always a way

[nocturne olive]

I don't see one with 2 GPUs spanning the entire case from the bottom to the top of the PCIe area

[olive sable]

I didnt know it had all these ir led's

Thats pretty cool

i never really thought baout it but i had assumed it worked like a wii mote with the ir being in the sensors you need to set up

i need to clean my headset

[uneven pulsar]

Server build

[olive sable]

position vec: 0.000000 1.226443 -183330353888778503847936.000000 this isnt in meters i hope

i am 7.75 times the distance to the Andromeda Galaxy away acording to the test program

[obsidian mantle]

can it interfere with wifi

[olive sable]

9.38 mil light-years. no wonder the tracking isnt working. i jsu thave to wait till the light reaches my pc

[obsidian mantle]

i had problems in hotel once when they had strong router in my room and it ruined my earphones

i mean it was interfering

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTHE-cdWN_s

huh

a talk about exactly what im trying to do

[obsidian mantle]

the problem is that its not ported to linux properly?

[uneven pulsar]

Server build man I'm tired to find server build i will take loan or ask to dad

[uneven pulsar]

What gpu I use ?

[obsidian mantle]

no im referring to sam's problem

[olive sable]

theres no official linux xsupport

[uneven pulsar]

What support?

[olive sable]

oculus rift 6DOF

they have 3DOF cuz of leaching the usb data, but for 6DOF you need to acces the base stations, which barely owrk on linux for some reason

[nocturne olive]

It's time for write your own kernel driver

Open source software go

[olive sable]

welp, i deleted everything and reinstalled the experimental branch and it seems to now have proper 6DOF tracking

[olive sable]

Jan Schmidt my beloved

[uneven pulsar]

Bro my friend ai call me owner and his is her rope 🤣

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

I hate making autonomous
Calling system multiplier time and self replace off and on

I need server i things

B200 ?

[obsidian mantle]

got a bit carried away while replacing get_from_bitboard with get_from_index

[sage crag]

rrrr

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-24525483

[olive sable]

the openhmd test program does produce the position data, but the driver_openhmd.cpp does not

bwaa bwaa bwaa

we love going through someone lese's experimental code

bool IsDisplayOnDesktop()
{
    return true;
}

ah yes for good measure this too

bool IsDisplayRealDisplay()
{
    return true;
}

we also love 2 functions doing the exact same code in different classes so you dont know which one is the problem

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4TdHrMi6do

vulkan could never

[olive sable]

i mean...
if you'd use sepcialized hardware

[olive sable]

i had changed both and nothing changed, but it was cached somewhere in steam

[uneven pulsar]

Header is ready

0x000010 sector loader

0x100010 python loader

0x001000 java

[olive sable]

i have confirmed that part of their code works, and another part doesnt. and im just gonna stuff the shit that works into global cuz i cant be bothered to fix whatever is broken

[uneven pulsar]

?

[uneven pulsar]

WHICH part ?

[uneven pulsar]

Cpp statment is good
But return

[olive sable]

so like this one works:

print_infof(hmd, "position vec: ", 3, OHMD_POSITION_VECTOR);

this one doesnt

ohmd_device_getf(device, OHMD_POSITION_VECTOR, pos);

to get the position vecotr from the oculus rift sensors

so im jsut gonna stuff hmd into global to read it where i need it

[uneven pulsar]

Most are'rnt defined

[olive sable]

they are defined, i didnt show the whole function stuff

but one jsut doesnt work as intended

[uneven pulsar]

I need more details how os work in that I will boot on my phone

Finger cross boot is readable

Cpu architecture is mismatch then 💀

Who said python.img

[clear sedge]

that's where printf debugging comes in clutch

[olive sable]

apparently 1 is ofr the headset and 1 is for the controllers

both work

[uneven pulsar]

Ure making app for vr ?

[olive sable]

more like debugging vr drivers for linux

[uneven pulsar]

Make own driver

[clear sedge]

trude

don't like existing solutions? make your own

[olive sable]

if i would make my own id be debigging this shit for 4 months

[uneven pulsar]

I don't have soul

[olive sable]

im perfectly happy with an only partially broken shithole

[uneven pulsar]

Or ask chatgpt

[clear sedge]

then you'd be stuck debugging for 4 years

[uneven pulsar]

Kind a agree

[olive sable]

i have my values, they get calcualted correctly. but for some reason steamVR doesnt receive them correctly, or maybe jsut ignores them

[uneven pulsar]

Stream vr hmm in linux u need cpp

[olive sable]

ye i know

im debugging the cpp file

or well, i honeslt cant find an bugs

[uneven pulsar]

Let me vr version
Which vr name and model tell me

[olive sable]

wdym?

im using this repo https://github.com/thaytan/OpenHMD/tree/rift-kalman-filter

oculus rift

[uneven pulsar]

Let me find driver for linux version not distro version

[olive sable]

there is no official driver

[uneven pulsar]

Using third party

[olive sable]

thats what im trying

[uneven pulsar]

And u will.modify ure code

[olive sable]

not my intention but if the code doesnt work i have to

[uneven pulsar]

'sudo apt install monado openhmd steamvr'

[uneven pulsar]

Cheak system tree

And saved driver position

[uneven pulsar]

What device pid ?

[uneven pulsar]

Use this to see pid

lsusb

[spark vortex]

#C0FFEE being cyan instead of brown is a crime against humanity.

[short ingot]

Does.. anyone know the python version of neuro-sdk enough to tell me why my code isn't working? It's been hours.
https://github.com/Nakashireyumi/neuro-os/blob/master/src/dev/neuro_integration/client.py
Or is chat dead?

[jagged turtle]

sorry, forgot to reply - couldn't get back to you quite yet as I'm doing my own stuff

but from a quick glance, why are you returning a self.send_action_result?

[short ingot]

That uhmmm, wasn't the issue:

Starting interaction-server -> src.dev.backend.winapi.interaction-server
[LAUNCH] Starting Windows interactions server (with module context)...
interaction-server exited with code 0
a coroutine was expected, got <function neuro_client at 0x000002D5CE08A950>

[INTERRUPTED] Shutting down...
interaction-client exited with code 0

[short ingot]

wait, it wasn't supposed to be returned????

[jagged turtle]

iirc that automatically sends off an action result, no?

[short ingot]

what's... iirc?

I just changed it: https://github.com/Nakashireyumi/neuro-os/blob/issues/termination-upon-launch/src/dev/neuro_integration/client.py

[olive sable]

if i remember correctly

[short ingot]

Oooh

WAIT I FIXED IT

I JUST FREAKING FORGOT A () IN HERE

if __name__ == "__main__":
    try:
        asyncio.run(neuro_client())
    except Exception as e:
        print(e)
        print("\n[INTERRUPTED] Shutting down...")

NEURO CLIENT DIDNT HAVE THE PARATHESISES, I'm so stupid, omfg

It exited gracefully now

Starting interaction-server -> src.dev.backend.winapi.interaction-server
Starting interaction-client -> src.dev.interaction-client
[LAUNCH] Starting Windows interactions server (with module context)...
interaction-server exited with code 0
WebSocket GUI server listening on ws://127.0.0.1:8765
Press Ctrl+C to stop.
[WinError 1225] The remote computer refused the network connection

[INTERRUPTED] Shutting down...
interaction-client exited with code 0

Btw is this normal?

>npm start

> randy@1.0.0 start
> npx tsx index.ts

Does randy not give out any output?

[uneven pulsar]

Why?

[uneven pulsar]

?

[uneven pulsar]

Npm hmmm

[uneven pulsar]

Os integration

Ollama

[cobalt sigil]

https://youtu.be/wRvqdLsnsKY

android might soon be the 2nd iOS if this continues

[uneven pulsar]

Turn off side loading

What next

CUSTOMISED LOCKED

We will sign the act android is begging monopoly

[cobalt sigil]

hope EU can do something for this

[true hemlock]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1429076929150980146
why is this so #programming-newcomers piled

[obsidian mantle]

i merged quiescence search with normal search and it now breaks at depth > 2

am i allowed to modify input variable inside of the function itself in c++

[maiden geyser]

would you look at the time?

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure if you pass a pointer you can modify the value and it'll apply globally

[obsidian mantle]

noo i mean like

int abc(bool a)
a = 1;

it worked before

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, I'm not a C++ dev

[obsidian mantle]

i dont think its the issue in my case, im getting absolute weird behaviour here

im removing blocks of program to see what happens

[maiden geyser]

allowed? as long as compiler isn't screaming

[obsidian mantle]

ok for some reason chess_in_check returns way too many trues

[short ingot]

Chat, what programming language should I learn?
I'm thinking of C++, or Rust

[sage crag]

lily.{dyn} := @use("lily")

Test := struct {
    .obj: dyn.Dyn(Test)

    $from := fn(obj: @Any()): Test return .(.init(obj))
    $a := fn(this: ^Test, x: i32): void return this.obj.vtable[0](this.obj.ptr, x)
    $b := fn(this: ^Test): i32 return this.obj.vtable[1](this.obj.ptr)
}

Dyn2 := struct {
    .inner: i32
    $rr := fn(): Dyn2 {
        return .(1)
    }
    $a := fn(this: ^Dyn2, x: i32): void {
        this.inner = x
    }
    $b := fn(this: ^Dyn2): i32 {
        return this.inner
    }
}

main := fn(args: []^u8): i32 {
    b := Test.from(&Dyn2.rr())
    _ = b.a(98)
    return b.b()
}

i made a vtable generator in hblang using some new comptime features

[short ingot]

What is that syntax....

[obsidian mantle]

_ = b.a(98)

[short ingot]

-# Help I'm scared...

[sage crag]

b.a(98) would be fine i just forgot to remove the _ =

hblang doesnt let you discard non-void return values unless you do _ =

[obsidian mantle]

oh i had similar thing in one of my ides at work

bitbool := some_technically_void_but_must_return_function

looks stupid to me

its not allowed because some people in 1984 decided that its not allowed

[sage crag]

its not allowed because discarding non-void exit values is bad practice

[obsidian mantle]

how do void functions work

do they actually return nothing or its fake and they return something which gets discarded

[sage crag]

void is a type of size 0

[obsidian mantle]

it can just jump to caller

can it not

[sage crag]

yes that is what is done

there is a difference between compile-time and runtime

at compile-time values of type void can exist

[obsidian mantle]

and if its non void and language allowes you to discard it, it still returns something which has to be dealt with

[sage crag]

at runtime they dont exist

[sage crag]

yes

imagine, for example, it returns a ptr to an array that needs to be freed manually

or something

[obsidian mantle]

so you become dependant on your compiler hoping it will deal with it correctly

mhm interesting

[obsidian mantle]

exactly what i had when i asked if i can just "get_legal_moves" without freeing it

[sage crag]

yes anyway this is

runtime polymorphism

[sage crag]

trait Test {
  fn a(&mut self, x: i32) -> ();
  fn b(&self) -> i32;
}

struct Dyn2 {
  inner: i32,
}

impl Test for Dyn2 {
  fn a(&mut self, x: i32) -> () {
    self.inner = x;
  }
  fn b(&self) -> i32 {
    self.inner
  }
}

fn main() -> () {
  let b: &mut dyn Test = &mut Dyn2 { inner: 1 };
  b.a(98);
  println!("{}", b.b());
}

equivalent to this rust program

[obsidian mantle]

but if the function actually returned a pointer to something thats supposed to be freed

would _ = be free() analog

would it free it

[sage crag]

no, its just a qualifier that shows you are discarding it

hblang doesnt do automatic memory management

[obsidian mantle]

so _ = is technically useless

[sage crag]

its a no-op

not useless

different thing

[obsidian mantle]

it could just put these no ops during compilation for the same result

[sage crag]

a := Struct.init(32) // assume this allocates memory on the heap
defer a.deinit() // this will call deinit method at the end of the scope

return a.get_val() // this is saved into a temporary value before deinit is called, then its returned

[sage crag]

i believe you are confused

returns_value := fn(): i32 { return 101 }
does_not_return_value := fn(): void {}

main := fn(): void {
  _ = returns_value()
  does_not_return_value()
}

its very simple

if it returns a value, you have to deal with the value

its just a rule to make sure you dont accidentally discard it

[obsidian mantle]

oh so its like
notification

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

and with _ = you agree with terms of service

[sage crag]

close enough

[lament igloo]

💀 i forgot to remove that one sql query

[fading olive]

Surely select * from posts order by published_at desc will never cause problems for you in the future.

[lament igloo]

how so? its for the homepage btw

[fading olive]

If you have 1000 posts in your database, you'll be shuffling a lot of data back and forth

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1126496895246807123/1427626771603390555/yippee-1.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248294218191999118/1353485622152794172/liellesocute.gif

[lament igloo]

sooo limit?

[fading olive]

That's what I would do.

[lament igloo]

pagination? should solve that right?

[rough bloom]

pagination is the way to go here

[lament igloo]

alright, ill think about it

[rough bloom]

and if it's for the homepage you certainly also want caching but you probably already have that

[obsidian mantle]

is it impossible to immidiately close all my recursions

so i have 10x10x10x10x10 recursion ongoing

time depleted i want to return and discard everything

it seems like its having a long walk back to the root there

[versed orchid]

make a global counter and an if in the beginning of your function

[midnight sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

the problem is that most recursioned functions are in the middle so they wont see this "timeout" trigger once they passed that point

i put another check after return of recursioned function so it should close faster, at least it will not check all other available moves in that case

[versed orchid]

it's possible to increase the maximum recursion value

[clear sedge]

time to pray fedora on mobile works well enough next year

[versed orchid]

also you can set a threshold by estimating not the maximum recursion of the function itself, but also the maximum recursion it needs to return value. You can find that threshold by guessing or smth

[obsidian mantle]

im stopping it by checking the time

giving max time per recursion level, once it takes too long its supposed to return 0's and whole last depth search is invalid

[rigid snow]

[ebon basin]

The Oxygen not Included Mod for Neuro is nearly finished . Still not sure how to put it out there so Vedal can see

I'm so cooked

[patent shard]

they said the hash matched, so, yep, it's the same

[patent shard]

is picking up the backing vocals super nicely
is a little noisy and picking up some synths

#neurotic-neurons message it kind of sounds like the backing vocals are TOO loud here? the one I just posted sounds closer.. hmm

[obsidian mantle]

forgot that this counts as legit command because it starts with bestmove

its a debug message for me

[olive sable]

i got the position tracking to work

its a bit shakey cuz it tries to combine the images of 2 seperate cameras, but it works well enough

[obsidian mantle]

is this valid

i need to assign and check if its 0

its used later too

if not 0 of course

[opaque sigil]

well it's valid if you remove the variable declaration and assign it separately

[amber fractal]

Man I love dealing with meta's Byte Level Tokenizer repo, it has great coding pratices and surely there are no overly sized files.
https://github.com/facebookresearch/blt/blob/main/bytelatent/data/patcher.py

[opaque sigil]

int piece_to;

if (piece_to = ...)

[amber fractal]

I'm stripping out most of the repo and reformatting it, it is a slight improvement (even with utils.py being 800 lines long at the moment)

[nocturne olive]

With how much you seemingly know about vocal extraction models, you should work for NSP and make a vocal extraction model perfectly tailored to perfectly extract Neuro's voice specifically for NSP use

[patent shard]

I don't know that much, lol

[amber fractal]

Maybe then evilsynth will actually be ready to use for projects

[nocturne olive]

Well then you should figure it out it would be really funny

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeah we would want one dedicated to Evil too

Someone should learn how to finetune those vocal extraction models specifically for Neuro

[uneven pulsar]

neuro synth

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth

Get the spelling right at least

[uneven pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1203430725014003752/1203775664126296114/PetFumo.gif

sowwy

[nocturne olive]

Well if anyone wants to figure out how we could create a Neuro dedicated vocal extractor model NeuroSynthProject would find that highly useful

Compute would be provided by NSP

[uneven pulsar]

by the way, my memory has always been kind of bad so, I forgor what NeuroSynth is

is it like, a Synth?

or is it like an effect

[nocturne olive]

Vocal synthesizer

[uneven pulsar]

All in py

[uneven pulsar]

oh that's sick

[nocturne olive]

Yeah it is pretty cool

[uneven pulsar]

so it's like one of those vocaloid thingies

[nocturne olive]

Kinda like that

[uneven pulsar]

Actually fire 🔥

[nocturne olive]

More closer to SynthV AI on the tech stack though

[uneven pulsar]

is it available for anyone to use

[nocturne olive]

Not yet, it will be once we finish the 1.0 model, which as of now seems to be coming out whenever we get JP + EN natural data

I've been working on the JP stuff, labelling takes for ever

[amber fractal]

It isn't my fault all of ML is in python

[uneven pulsar]

oh that's cool. I know how to make sick sounds, I could use it for something

I would most likely just try breaking it though

[uneven pulsar]

B sector is gone

[nocturne olive]

Well currently "breaking" it in the sense that it creates kinda messy stuff is as easy as tuning it a tiny bit wrong or going too high or low

[uneven pulsar]

Most ai project cpp and c

[uneven pulsar]

makes sense

Sector trying to break again 😡

[nocturne olive]

That's ML engine backends
Most machine learning code is Python using a C++ backend

[uneven pulsar]

(0x0)

[nocturne olive]

Yeah NeuroSynth-BETA series sucks

Can't even get the one song I want with it

[uneven pulsar]

Sector is crashing

(0x0001000)

[uneven pulsar]

looks like a silly face

( OxO )

( O _ O )

[uneven pulsar]

No bro is sector loader started at 0x0

[uneven pulsar]

smadge

[nocturne olive]

Anyway NeuroSynth is gonna take a while
I have no clue how it'll end up in the end
But if things keep being difficult we may really need a vocal extraction model specifically for NSP so if anyone wants to help make that a thing let me know

[uneven pulsar]

.text
.data
.sector
.acill

Mov
Jpm
Rm
Much more

[uneven pulsar]

WHICH Synthesis is used

[nocturne olive]

What do you mean which synthesis?

[uneven pulsar]

Sector is fix no more crash
Error .ma= -l ma

[uneven pulsar]

Local , online, vocaliod , ect ?

[nocturne olive]

It's fully local and using an open-source tech stack

[uneven pulsar]

Tech stack hmm
Can u give repo ?

[nocturne olive]

No the information about NeuroSynth's technology is confidential and will only be revealed at release

[uneven pulsar]

So it mean u devloping this one ?

[nocturne olive]

At this point I'm doing most of it since now I also have to label the data myself because nobody else has the time and nobody wants to be paid to do it either

[uneven pulsar]

Memory overload by
M.mp3

[nocturne olive]

Wha

[uneven pulsar]

system trying to crash

System was overload

And crash again

[nocturne olive]

Why is there so much activity on my useless empty drive

[uneven pulsar]

5% is not bad

[nocturne olive]

It's completely empty

Whatever is there is all filesystem overhead

[uneven pulsar]

What

U enable overwriting

[nocturne olive]

?

[olive sable]

i could either debug the shaking, or i just deal with it

honeslty most of the time it isnt too bad, i jsut cant be bothered

[nocturne olive]

Wha is that?

[olive sable]

vrchat

[nocturne olive]

Wha

[olive sable]

my 6DOF is broken

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

Meanwhile me with 0 VR equipment and 0 special controllers of any form

I don't even have a game controller, only keyboard and mouse

[olive sable]

my oculus rift was only 100 bucks

its not too expensive

[nocturne olive]

That's way too pricy, more than half of my bank account

[olive sable]

eh

for a 1080x1200x2 oled screen at 90hz, with the controllers too

100 bucks is pretty cheap

[nocturne olive]

At my money scale it's massive money

Remember, I spent all my money on that 3090 and have yet to recover due to my nonexistent income

[olive sable]

brother that was 4 months ago

i guess there havent been any holidays recentl

[nocturne olive]

4 months at 60€ per month is not much

[olive sable]

fair

you really dont get paid much huh

[nocturne olive]

Yes I do not have a job so I rely on student benefits

[sage crag]

🐸

[olive sable]

hi konii

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

wdym oh

konii hates me

[stark needle]

what did i make

"how dare you not know neuro"

"back to being a normie about neuro"

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

🐸

[stark needle]

what the frick

[olive sable]

i guess im canonically an anime girl now

[clear sedge]

having a stronk

[stark needle]

"He owns a video game company called Veto Studios. Also, in early 2024, he entered into a content creator partnership with UO-Market for merchandise collaboration. The partnership features limited-time collectible items such as anime girl sweat, plushy. Oh my God. Anime Girl thigh sweat? Limited time. What does it smell like? This is wild. Wait! Wait! I don't know how much this costs though. Is it expensive? Yeah. It smells exactly like gamer girl thighs. It's probably just like super sweet, isn't it? Like overcooked candy? Like maybe it smells a little bit like stinky, like, maybe a little bit stinky. Ew! Why would you do that? Anime Gamer Girl Sweat? Uh, ew! Why? Why? Did someone sniff that? Is there someone who sniffs that? Whoa. Do they have fans who just go sniffing to see how sweaty they are or something? It's probably like crazy."

[clear sedge]

wh-

[olive sable]

its not perfect, but before i "fixed" it i was inside of the floor

[stark needle]

i love buying anime girl thigh sweat

[olive sable]

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

[stark needle]

i love this llm now

[clear sedge]

AN LLM GENERATED THAT??

we're so doomed

agi 2026

[olive sable]

buying sweat shoudl be considered a biohazard ngl

[clear sedge]

it is

[olive sable]

its not sadly

[clear sedge]

IT'S NOT?

what the fuck

today is full of surprises

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

What kind of stuff do you have to be messing around with such coherent models?

Assuming that's from scratch

[dusky jackal]

This AI sounds like the perfect friend.

[dusky jackal]

Sounds like something Neuro or Evil would say tbh..

[obsidian mantle]

getting tight

it will be so hard to format all this macrosed shit to get more

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue if I'll end up managing to finish a Chess bot

I'm stuck on it being slow

[stark needle]

it's not from scratch

it's continuously pretrained

[nocturne olive]

Wha

[stark needle]

the model is continuously pretrained on a Nvidia H200 tho

cloud gpu

[nocturne olive]

I would never use a cloud GPU
I prefer local GPUs because those don't go away if you suddenly go broke

And I am already broke anyway

[stark needle]

yea true

[nocturne olive]

I'm probably gonna be stuck with my 4070Ti + 3090 pair for a long while

[stark needle]

3090 is good for most stuff anyways

[nocturne olive]

Until either NSP starts making profit or I find a way to get more

[stark needle]

i could have also worked on a 3090 but i would've have to wait for like 6x longer, which I don't really wanna do

[nocturne olive]

Well it is certainly doing good
I've been continuously upping the batch size on NeuroSynth and it manages to have the VRAM
Though I don't know if it'll have enough VRAM to get the batch size high enough that the model doesn't overfit at all during the training

[livid relic]

anyone good with arduino stuff? i have uhh, a mountain of 12864 displays that have basicly no documentation, the chip is secret too, well i cant find docs on it.

[sick owl]

↓

"How to kill a snoo"

Ironically enough their blocking VPN use forces me to load their links over the tor network making data harvesting even harder for them

[amber fractal]

We are so cooked holy

[sick owl]

I hate that so much useful knowledge has been centralised on such a dogshit platform

[amber fractal]

Same but discord server flavor for me

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[tender river]

cup smog

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

absolut vodka??

[obsidian mantle]

absolute obfuscation

[clear sedge]

it's ugly

i love it

[obsidian mantle]

i gotta rebuild some parts of the program, i won't manage to shrink 400 tokens just by that

maybe 100 or even 200 but not 400

[warm wadi]

Any of you guys think that can help me knowing what to specific learn to programme a "Mechanich" in a Roblox game? I know about code and everything but dunno certain specific things that I need to learn to make it

[obsidian mantle]

do you need a list of things to learn

or just answers specific questions

[warm wadi]

Sorry for don´t response

Uhmmmmmmmmmmm

Principally the first, so I learn by myself and don´t bother anyone

But I´ll happily accept the two if so-

[obsidian mantle]

honestly idk why i asked it because i have no clue about anything in roblox

[warm wadi]

[uneven pulsar]

Memory is OVERLOADING

One more gif then all memory sector is Cooked and is will crash

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[uneven pulsar]

GOD DAM SECTOR

Sector is corrupt again =>
Pid 2632
Vid 0x00d12

https://youtu.be/Zt0JfmV7CyI?si=vn9DerRh7edJSgPx

[sage crag]

Test := Dyn(struct {
    .wide: Wide(Test)

    $as_ref := never
    $a := fn(this: ^@CurrentScope()): i32 never
})

Obj := struct {
    .x: i32
    $a := fn(this: ^Obj): i32 return this.x
}

main := fn(args: []^u8): i32 {
    tmp := Obj.(1)
    a := Test.as_ref(&tmp)
    return a.a()
}

new public facing api

still needs some work

[uneven pulsar]

Hmmm

[leaden fractal]

Hey, can you elaborate?

[nocturne olive]

Wha?

Specify your question

[open copper]

hi programmers whos here

[nocturne olive]

At least me

[open copper]

care to dm me?

[nocturne olive]

Sure I guess

[open copper]

nothing bad

[leaden fractal]

Ah, sorry. I was looking at the conversation history and it was interesting, is it correct that you are fine-tuning an LLM?

[nocturne olive]

I am not finetuning an LLM
I'm creating vocal synthesizer models

[fast pagoda]

besides SMT not being enabled and/or x3d TURBO (the thing that disables the non x3d ccd on these chips) BEING enabled, since i have checked and verified that both of these are configured right - smt is enabled in bios, and x3d turbo is disabled completely

anyone have any idea why the system & all monitors seem to only see 12 threads on this unit (but it performs like, and returns benchmarks like it has 24 threads):

5900x died over the last week ;_;

[hollow matrix]

The file is the same? who could have thought

[fast pagoda]

smartest context retrieval

[hollow matrix]

clearly

[fast pagoda]

i should ask claude code to diagnose this 12-24 thread issue and see what kind of hallucination of total horseshit it comes up with

[hollow matrix]

I've found that 4.5 is better then some other versions, but still does give some shit from time to time, such as running bun install 2 times in a row for some reason

Like, I think the packages are already installed buddy

The fuck is this?? Consistancy is just out the window

[fast pagoda]

i found that any claude code//codex//gemini-cli etc etc model is a lot more at home and consistent when using a linux env

[hollow matrix]

I don't use the ai clis because I prefer to not have to spend money whenever possible, I've heard gemini is cheaper, so I might look into that at some point though, but I haven't had a good experience with gemini in the past, not sure if it's better now

[fast pagoda]

codex used to be garbo and it's fairly decent now but ive not tested it much, but on windows for sure it used to be TRASH (would sit there failing to run bash commands over and over)

claude code has always been fairly consistent, ive been using it for filesystem convenience mainly for like a year now

gemini-cli is somewhere between the two and seems solid but not quite at claude code's level as a tool and/or as a model, probably a combo of both since claude is just really really good at terminal agency i've found

i tried glm-4.6 since it's $3/month for more capacity than claude code's $20/month thing since i only try to have one(1) ai-related sub at any given time, glm-4.6 using the Crush TUI is pretty damn good i've found

[hollow matrix]

The main thing is, I feel like using copilot with claude suits my purpose well enough, what are the benefits of using a cli over copilot?

[fast pagoda]

well i dont usually use the AIs for actual programming as much as I have them do stuff like filesystem cleanup and helping w/ setup of a lot of terminal type stuff if i'm feeling lazy/lost, usually if it's in an IDE i'm just asking a question or something which is equally as well-served w/ the claude code addon [for context w/ codebase mainly] as it is via copilot itself

just frees you from being tied to the editor if you want it to do anything outside of the scope of like, a single programming project

most of my claude code calls are stupid bullshit like

claude "hey can u move all X to Y location, rename it to Z, and actually go ahead and use ffmpeg to convert any *.mp4 to *.mkv please thanks"

my son has failed the test and apparently still thinks it's 2024 even as 4.5 sonnet

[hollow matrix]

I feel like it would be smarter for it to at least be given the context that it does not, in fact, know the current date, and to not question anything about dates it sees

[opaque sigil]

nono he has the right attitude

when in doubt blame AGESA

[fast pagoda]

honestly not a bad strategy

i would kinda believe him if i werent running 1.2.0.3g

[opaque sigil]

i've lost half the day trying to figure out how to work around a weird wayland crash that happens with some hardware accelerated video in firefox, forgot xwayland is a thing too

[hollow matrix]

could it also not just get constantly fed the current time from the os?

[fast pagoda]

there's an mcp server that does this lule

i mean im pretty sure it's given current date in the system prompt it just gets lost in the sauce

[opaque sigil]

linux kernel mcp server let's goooo

make it a kernel module

(i'm sure this exists already)

[fast pagoda]

i see xwayland i go "uh oh"

[opaque sigil]

the other option would be downgrading to 142 and I think i like the idea of downgrading my browser less than just running it through xwayland

[fast pagoda]

there's a bpftrace MCP Server

https://github.com/eunomia-bpf/MCPtrace

[opaque sigil]

nice it's in rust too

[fast pagoda]

does this crash happen if you use

say

librewolf

maybe sprinkle a lil floorp in there even

[opaque sigil]

i've tested all of them

well not waterfox it's not in nixpkgs

[jagged turtle]

[fast pagoda]

waterfox

[opaque sigil]

idk if it's nvidia, mozilla, kde or all of the 3 i should blame

[fast pagoda]

generally out of the 3 i'd say KDE is very blameable

even with those peers

i'd offer to test a different env but i too am on kde so

see je

[hollow matrix]

Something I want to say to add on to my gemini experience, is I last used it ~2 years ago when I had to use a Chromebook for a while after my laptop got it's drive corrupted by windows insiders , I'll admit it was nice that it forced me to use linux more since ChromeOS has a Linux terminal you can enable, but it still wasn't a great experience. Did you know that once you run out of storage on ChromeOS it will delete all apps including settings? Thankfully it didn't delete chrome, and if you know the right url you can access settings and factory reset the device from there

[fast pagoda]

he gets the time

[fast pagoda]

chromeOS moment

[opaque sigil]

i like gemini for dumping massive error messages

big fan

[hollow matrix]

Yeah chromeOS is shit

[fast pagoda]

2 years is a catastrophically long time when it comes to AI anything certainly not the least of which being their CLIs

[opaque sigil]

i can throw the entirety of pw-dump at it when i want to

[fast pagoda]

2 years ago codex was looping trying to use bash in powershell terminal on windows

[fast pagoda]

that context window is poggies

[hollow matrix]

Makes sense I guess

[hollow matrix]

This stuff just evolved very fast

[opaque sigil]

it's so nice

[fast pagoda]

gemini is great for anything involving a lot of data

ive found

[opaque sigil]

also unrelated but

[fast pagoda]

not just gemini itself but the ecosystem around it is like built to actually be able to reference and use the data

[opaque sigil]

fuck you pipewire and wireplumber

[fast pagoda]

what'd pipewire do hahaha

[opaque sigil]

what did it not

[fast pagoda]

although pipewire has something to do with video (i honestly have no idea what, but OBS seems to think pipewire is what allows it to record windows) so maybe it's the crash issue

[opaque sigil]

i think pipewire can technically do video too

but idk how tf that works

[fast pagoda]

it seems to allow for webcam streams in some capacity

it would logically follow that something meant to be the end-all audio "piping" system would also allow for video

to do the same thing

this go around i have like JACK, ALSA, and pipewire configured and they seem to work together okay thankfully even though pipewire seems to do everything ALSA and JACK do + more (alsa being the general linux sound system interface and JACK existing for pro audio bullshit)

[open copper]

Hi programmers got a PSA

looks like someone is hiding bots in the server and they ar epretending to be people by copypasting previously stated messages in the chat. Someone reported two of them here yesterday, an di found one myself as well. Theres likely more. Keep an eye out for them, they seem to try posting in this chat for some reason.

if you suspect someone is a bot, DM me to report it.

[fast pagoda]

O_O

[opaque sigil]

oh did you snipe the ones i pinged you for whenever that was

[open copper]

yup

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

whoever doing it likely being a person in this chat would make sense for them to default to this location for "testing"

[open copper]

theres also an account in here that was posting earlier that i suspect to be a bot, but a different kind. And we speculate the owner may occasionally speak with it

it talks in here and genchat

[hollow matrix]

Why wtf is the point of that

[open copper]

i have no clue

im noticing an uptick of weird bots

and they all like using this text chat

[mighty thorn]

what could i possibly be doing

[fast pagoda]

LLMs existing in the now with the capabilities they have it would make sense for there to be a large amount of much less obvious than usual bots in just about every corner of the internet

[open copper]

im not a programmer, so i have no clue what the purpose of the bots is

[fast pagoda]

possible they just want to test them in a large "safe" location they are familiar with prior to moving on to whatever the goal really is

[uneven pulsar]

Accidentally i leak chat 💀

[open copper]

^ suspect

[opaque sigil]

figured as much

[fast pagoda]

or maybe they want to get a large number of them in the server to then do some sort of spam attack later on with "legitimate" users

[hollow matrix]

Seems like it

[uneven pulsar]

Ure editor of verdal ?

[open copper]

see i cant tell

[fast pagoda]

it's nice that we live in an age where people are much less likely to be bots if they post actual gibberish

[open copper]

might be ESL

[uneven pulsar]

My ai crash after making account

[fast pagoda]

"hey you have proper grammar, get outta here clanker"

[hollow matrix]

seems real enough from their past messages, but take my opinion with a grain of salt, I'm not a good judge of these things

[open copper]

the messages feel like a lot of nonsense with some programming thrown in

it feels a lot less ESL and more bot

[hollow matrix]

Ok, I tried checking some of the context for the messages and for the ones I've seen it seems to just be random messages out of nowhere

[fast pagoda]

i will practice hypervigilance now that i have a functional computer again

[open copper]

like the first they they did when joining was talking about a self talking feature

[fast pagoda]

honestly maybe they test them here because people are more likely to be able to pick out and spot a bot here

as a sort of adversarial test

omnidroid 1-9

[open copper]

i think its a persons possibly real, but its ALSO a bot

its the only thing that makes sense

[fast pagoda]

the ghost in the machine

[hollow matrix]

I hate how it can be so hard to tell sometimes

[tender river]

look at @hollow spruce

they're not a bot

[open copper]

the only thing that really changed my midn was the fact he literally edited his message just now
but its still nonsense

[hollow matrix]

that is true, the edit does make it more confusing

[open copper]

it looks like they paste a lot of vibe coding from chatgpt at first glance

[hollow matrix]

[open copper]

yo

[opaque sigil]

yo

[hollow matrix]

yo

pffft

[tender river]

they have english as an uuh 7th language or something

cut them some slack

5th apparently*

[open copper]

100?

[tender river]

ye

[open copper]

sure

[tender river]

and they mentioned their country of residence

which i will not do

[maiden geyser]

maybe to get an embed thing?

[unkempt citrus]

In ye olde days of discord, some people who make user bots to try and collect as much data on users as possible, and then charge to have their data deleted

good times

[open copper]

i think im gonna go ahead and ban them but allow them to appeal. Its a great CAPTCHA for bot accounts. Because bots never appeal.

(not 100, the guy im suspecting)

better than letting a suspected bot run around int he server
i think

[hollow matrix]

True, it wouldn't make much sense to have them do that

[open copper]

the account is EXTREMELY fresh too

which is really sus

like it was made days before joining

[tender river]

which is why i thought hmmf is just 100 alt

after losing login details or switching device

[open copper]

they dont talk all the same

[tender river]

are you sure

[open copper]

i can say yo too

[hollow matrix]

They do both have the tendency to say "yo"

[open copper]

am i 100

[unkempt citrus]

yes

[hollow matrix]

Guys, I think these are bots, they're saying yo

[tender river]

anyway hmmf doesnt seem like a bot to me

like not remotely

[mighty thorn]

yo

[opaque sigil]

that was my assumption too

[fast pagoda]

100 is cool and tries their best lol

[mighty thorn]

(I have no clue what’s happening)

[fast pagoda]

hmmf seems like 100's brother from anotha motha

[open copper]

no but really hes not 100
100 knew how to spell vedal

[fast pagoda]

verdal is correct per evil neuro

[hollow matrix]

smh read the chat starting from 12:00 AM EST

[mighty thorn]

Can I have a turn being accused

[fast pagoda]

gray name? bot confirmed

[open copper]

actually bots are more likely to have green names

[fast pagoda]

disabled SMT in uefi and still get 12 cores reported

[tender river]

heir please check this account

[fast pagoda]

that one never talks but lurks all the time

clearly datascraping

[open copper]

normally their names look like this

[mighty thorn]

Also

If anyone happens to have experience making audio2face finetuning cooperate

Hit me up

[open copper]

though i guess bots will be mroe likely to have white names now

[mighty thorn]

[open copper]

when a bot joins the server they will click every button in the roles menu

[fast pagoda]

heir bot just dropped

[open copper]

and green used to be the last color

but we added orange and white now

[fast pagoda]

do the bots also have fancy CSS gradients in their name