programming

[obsidian mantle]

it feels like bunch of things i added to the bot do nothing, except internal iterative reduction

which suddenly bosts performance x5 times, gets bot to layers 10 and all

but then random layers get shit evaluation

i guess this skip is bad

but if i remove it - bot starts losing

so i either have random blunder bot with super depth and speed

or slow but stable bot that performs worse

how do i stop the search

timer is shit

it starts thinking 0.1 second in endgame and blunders with 3 depth

i need it to somehow think more on interesting turns and think less on shit turns

[trim valve]

[obsidian mantle]

also bots keep repeating the move sometimes wasting time

[trim valve]

my advice, see if its possible to re-use old checks on your next exploration

[obsidian mantle]

but it will have to clear next depth which will be super huge anyway

even if lets say

both sides makes a move and reverts

i can restore transposition tables from last calculation of this exact board yes

even if it continues from where it stopped last time

this layer is so huge it will need too much time

not clearing transposition table at all seems stupid

it will be clogged.. unless

[sage crag]

cheese sammich

[obsidian mantle]

clogged with useless positions that will never repeat since pieces disappeared

[sage crag]

youuu

[trim valve]

konii why did I have to get the multimedia hyperfixation

my life is no fair

[sage crag]

ye disadvantaged

your next step is writing an OS and then writing your own media encoders and decoders for it

i got os development hyperfixation me more disadvantaged

[trim valve]

death

[sage crag]

it not as hard as it sound

i think

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

konii have done

[trim valve]

I keep toying about with the idea of making a rust image editing library that doesn't just pretend everything is srgb

but uh

hard

:(

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

too many people will complain if there isn't an api that's just get_pixel(x, y) -> RGB

😔

[sage crag]

get_pixel(x, y) -> &dyn Colour

[obsidian mantle]

so move ordering is so important that you can basically prune everything except one line of moves which are best
but you cant predict shit so its super hard

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

then you can provide

Colour::rgb(&self) -> RGB

or maybe <RGB>::From<T> where T: Color

color colour

vrrr

wrrrr

phrrr

nya

[trim valve]

ok

[sage crag]

mrrp

[trim valve]

true

[sage crag]

ye welcome

[trim valve]

its not entirely that simple

[sage crag]

wrooongg

break convention

[trim valve]

because people will also whine if no set_color

and that is harder

get_color can pretend planes do not exist

[amber fractal]

If people are going to hardcode colors anyways, might as well do set_color(color) and expect the people to hardcode it with color from rgb

[trim valve]

aaaaaaa

ypu cannot

rgb

is not

[opaque sigil]

just do it the js way and take strings and parse those

[trim valve]

no

type checker

:3

[opaque sigil]

make it a macro

[trim valve]

true

but also

that still doesn't solve my problem

of setting pixels on subsampled images

which I may honestly just write off entirely

[amber fractal]

srgb by default tbh, anything else I expect the caller to have knowledge because they picked this library instead of image lib #10

[trim valve]

ok but srgb is a terrible standard if you want to do anything other than input colours or display colours verbaitim

[sage crag]

mrrrp

thinking

[trim valve]

so people are gonna interpolate on them

my previous idea involved a lot of generics

and kinda worked

[sage crag]

generics are cool but

consider

enums

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

its less overhead than you think

[trim valve]

tbh I'd need to properly sit down and consider what stuff needs to be supported

[amber fractal]

If you want to give the RGB input, just do macros for it, otherwise I'd expect the people using the library to play ball with how the library works. Otherwise they should not be using this library.
-# This is what I should have written.

[trim valve]

the biggest headache is planar vs packed formats

[hard raptor]

rate my rust

pub enum LogLevels {
    Info,
    Err,
    Warn,
    Debug,
    Trace
}

pub fn Log(level: LogLevels, msg: &str) {
    let ANSI_ESCAPE: &str = "\x1b";
    let RESET: &str     = "\x1b[0m";
    let BLUE: &str      = "\x1b[1;94m";
    let YELLOW: &str    = "\x1b[1;33m";
    let RED: &str       = "\x1b[1;31m";
    let GREEN: &str     = "\x1b[1;32m";
    let MAGENTA: &str   = "\x1b[1;95m";

    match level {
        LogLevels::Info => println!("{}[INFO]:{} {}",   BLUE, RESET, msg),
        LogLevels::Err  => println!("{}[ERROR]:{} {}",  RED, RESET, msg),
        LogLevels::Warn => println!("{}[WARN]:{} {}",   YELLOW, RESET, msg),
        LogLevels::Debug=> println!("{}[DEBUG]:{} {}",  GREEN, RESET, msg),
        LogLevels::Trace=> println!("{}[TRACE]:{} {}",  MAGENTA, RESET, msg)
    }
}

pub fn pInfo(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Info, message);
}
pub fn pError(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Err, message);
}
pub fn pWarn(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Warn, message);
}
pub fn pDebug(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Debug, message);
}
pub fn pTrace(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Trace, message);
}

#[cfg(test)]
mod tests {
    use crate::{pDebug, pError, pInfo, pTrace, pWarn, Log, LogLevels};

    #[test]
    fn log_main() {
        Log(LogLevels::Warn, "warn");
        Log(LogLevels::Debug, "debug");
        Log(LogLevels::Trace, "trace");
        Log(LogLevels::Info, "info");
        Log(LogLevels::Err, "error");
    }
    #[test]
    fn log_info() {
        pInfo("info");
    }
    #[test]
    fn log_error() {
        pError("error");
    }
    #[test]
    fn log_warn() {
        pWarn("warn");
    }
    #[test]
    fn log_debug() {
        pDebug("debug");
    }
    #[test]
    fn log_trace() {
        pTrace("trace");
    }
}

[trim valve]

because I feel like there should be a nice way to do it

but uh

:c

difficult

[hard raptor]

(i know it sucks btw)

[tender river]

its really not a big difference though, its just SoA vs AoS, can easily provide a common api for them

[amber fractal]

I haven't gone into Color or OS, so I'm blissfully clueless on this.

[trim valve]

ok but planar formats often expect planes to be different sizes

which sounds less fun

[tender river]

it doesnt sound fun it sounds like boilerplate

[sage crag]

wrr

[tender river]

boilerplate is not fun but just write it and be done with it

[sage crag]

wrrrr

wrrr

wr

phrr

[tender river]

[amber fractal]

konii is loading response

[trim valve]

i don't really see hows its a "just boilerplate" solution but ok 😭

I may be stupider than I imagined

[hard raptor]

it could be worse tho...
i had this abomonation at first

pub enum LogLevels {
    Info(String),
    Err(String),
    Warn(String),
    Debug(String),
    Trace(String)
}

pub fn Log(message: LogLevels) {
    match message {
        LogLevels::Info(msg) => println!("{}", msg),
        LogLevels::Err(msg) => println!("{}", msg),
        LogLevels::Warn(msg) => println!("{}", msg),
        LogLevels::Debug(msg) => println!("{}", msg),
        LogLevels::Trace(msg) => println!("{}", msg)
    }
}

pub fn Info(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Info(String::from(message)));
}
pub fn Error(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Err(String::from(message)));
}
pub fn Warn(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Warn(String::from(message)));
}
pub fn Debug(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Debug(String::from(message)));
}
pub fn Trace(message: &str) {
    Log(LogLevels::Trace(String::from(message)));
}

[sage crag]

why

[amber fractal]

I don't need to know rust to know this is bad

[hard raptor]

yeh

that's what am saying

[sage crag]

wrrr

[tender river]

as long as theres a consistent way of iterating over pixels, it doesnt really matter how its done as long as you provide a common api

[sage crag]

wr

[hard raptor]

i think i broke konii

[sage crag]

wrrrr

[tender river]

implementing every single way is just boilerplate

[tender river]

no its normal

dont mind her

[trim valve]

the problem is coming up with the common api

because what do you define as iterating over pixels if you have a channel that is 1/2 the resolution of the other two

[hard raptor]

normal? konii 1.x didn't do that

[tender river]

theres not that many core features you need

[tender river]

ye keep up

[amber fractal]

I like to think it is a disk* drive spinning noise

[hard raptor]

ahhh

a bug i recon

[tender river]

thats fair, but consider that a fully general approach is impossible because many images just cant be edited losslessly

either way just look at prior art

https://www.boost.org/doc/libs/latest/libs/gil/index.html

[trim valve]

[opaque sigil]

boost

[trim valve]

might read through at some point

[tender river]

library made by adobe

[tender river]

feature

[opaque sigil]

Funky

[maiden geyser]

evil library

[sage crag]

trait LogLevel {
  const ANSI_COLOUR: &'static str;
  const NAME: &'static str;
}
type Info = ();
impl LogLevel for Info {
  const ANSI_COLOUR: &'static str = "\x1b[1;32m";
  const NAME: &'static str = "INFO";
}

fn log<T: LogLevel>(msg: &str) {
  println!("[{}{}\x1b[0m]: {}", T::ANSI_COLOUR, T::NAME, msg)
}

fn main() {
    log::<Info>("Hello!");
}

inherit this cursed idea

[amber fractal]

My standards need to be raised because this doesn't even look bad to me

[trim valve]

a weak glance and text search suggests boost approached this issue by not implementing it

[sage crag]

macro_rules! log {
    (info, $msg:expr) => {
        println!("\x1b[1;32m[INFO]\x1b[0m: {}", $msg);
    };
}

fn main() {
    log!(info, "Hello!");
}

[amber fractal]

I'm far too deep in the jank mines

[tender river]

jank

https://jank-lang.org/

[clear sedge]

JANKER

[amber fractal]

assume all features are planned or incomplete.
Me with every project I make

[tender river]

gil is extensible but i can't tell you how extensible it is

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1362755858353885195/1367975291019989083/ElvynNyaFix.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1421861060507602944/1425936142754123927/neuroCatModeOfOfnnfOOf.webp

[amber fractal]

I got time on the road so it is time to do some cursed python again

[sage crag]

me still offended that python exists

[clear sedge]

fucking real

[amber fractal]

try:
   exec(compile("print('bwaa')"))
except: SyntaxError:
   print("Why are we here? Just to suffer?")

That one is just on the top of my head

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-disgusted-yikes-huh-what-gif-17313939

[tender river]

nyope eval good

[solid bough]

Error at a subprocess from line 2: exec(compile("print('bwaa')")) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[amber fractal]

I forgor how to use compile

[solid bough]

I was interpreting in my head btw

That is why it is not straight up a traceback

[amber fractal]

compile is real

[solid bough]

My bad, I never heard of it

Right now is assuming what each line is doing the best I can do on interpreting code in my head.

[sage crag]

def frick_you(func):
    n = 0
    while True:
        n += 1
        def inner(*args, **kwargs):
            m = 0
            while m < n:
                m += 1
                func(*args, **kwargs)
            print(n)
        yield inner

def why():
    print("hello!")

gen = frick_you(why)
next(gen)()
next(gen)()
next(gen)()
next(gen)()

[amber fractal]

>>> compile("print('bwaa')")
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
TypeError: compile() missing required argument 'filename' (pos 2)

Yeah that wasn't working no matter what I did

[tender river]

generators good

[sage crag]

ye

generator curse

[solid bough]

Well, I was at least right that the code like that with no additional files or the right changes would error.

[amber fractal]

Yep, I give you that

[solid bough]

And I thought brainfuck is cursed (the coding language)

[tender river]

mug

2

[solid bough]

Person:

[trim valve]

I got bored and asked cgpt for advice

it has not given me a single response that hasn't started with that

[solid bough]

Alright I'm done sifting through 10K images if there are glasses/sunglasses or not good images

[trim valve]

tbh

I might just enforce that pixels can only be set as though there are contiguous on formats where planes are equally sized

for the unified api

[solid bough]

vituha, you're opening the Champagne too early

Now comes step 2

filtering these

I meant filtering

[trim valve]

alternatively there is a very cursed idea

[solid bough]

All 8749 images

[trim valve]

lol

[amber fractal]

filtering step #1, white or black background

[trim valve]

make set_pixel write to a command queue

and then you can properly handle most stuff with interpolation

[solid bough]

No, Step 1 on that filtering session was to filter out the Glasses/Sunglasses and images that look pixelated.

[trim valve]

though it also sounds kinda cursed

it'd certainly flip the idea of normally having a canvas on its head

because then you'd have a before / after pass

[solid bough]

That what you see now is step 2. Looking if the face comes out okay on the Sketch and around the face is not cluttered and only dark.

[trim valve]

also sounds kinda weird to have to "commit" changes to a canvas

[solid bough]

I'm like 5H on that now

and only now am I at that point

I do that that I have at least 500 images

[sage crag]

import random

def erm():
    print("hi")
    
def erm2():
    print("not hi")

def why():
    globals()["why"] = random.choice([obj for obj in globals().values() if callable(obj)])
    why()

why()
why()

this function picks a random function to become

[solid bough]

oh god no, recursive code

[sage crag]

its not recursive can confirm

[tender river]

eventually

[sage crag]

well, it can be recursive under one condition but its also a tail call so its not realll

[solid bough]

I done something like that in the past, and it gave me after some time the "loop" ran a recursive error

[sage crag]

ok

[solid bough]

Welp, I might again respond late because I entered Phase 2 now

[sage crag]

import random

def erm():
    print("hi")
    
def erm2():
    print("not hi")

def scramble():
    callables = [obj for obj in globals().values() if callable(obj)]
    for name, obj in list(globals().items()):
        if callable(obj): globals()[name] = random.choice(callables)

scramble()
erm()
erm2()

@amber fractal

ye

[solid bough]

Well, if my data looks like that on sketches, I'm golden:

[sage crag]

scramble all functions

[tender river]

egg()
egg2()

[amber fractal]

We love globals shenanigans, Almost as bad as deleting the builtins

[sage crag]

rrrr

[amber fractal]

Granted that one needs to be done in an exec block

[solid bough]

Btw do you happen to know where I can watch the full news with neuro and evil stream? (You can DM if you wanna)

[sage crag]

no

to both

[sage crag]

for name in list(vars(__builtins__)):
    if name not in ("delattr"):
        delattr(__builtins__, name)

print("hello")

ERROR!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 64, in <module>
  File "<main.py>", line 5, in <module>
NameError: name 'print' is not defined

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 65, in <module>
NameError: name 'AttributeError' is not defined

[amber fractal]

Man I have been outclassed

[tender river]

("delattr")

[sage crag]

yes i was testing to see what i could remove before it breaks

turns out you only need delattr

[tender river]

no you

are using substring search

[sage crag]

nope

in ("a") not the same as in "a"

[sage crag]

nopies

[tender river]

[sage crag]

forgot a comma

[tender river]

you may be confusing it with tuples

[sage crag]

[delattr(__builtins__, name) for name in list(vars(__builtins__)) if name != "delattr"]

[rigid snow]

coney eye

[tender river]

[delattr(__builtins__, name) for name in sorted(vars(__builtins__), key=lambda x: x == "delattr")]

[patent shard]

I'm really liking voc fv4, generally way better than big beta 5e
Def good to ensemble with big beta 6x for lower noise, usually average (can try max if that's a bit muffled)
And inst fv4 doesn't have the muddiness that resurrection inst has... it erases xylophone, unfortunately
For piano, resurrection inst has less noise
Sometimes picks up constant vocal bleed.. usually is fine, though

[sage crag]

true, delete it last but

🐸

[delattr(__builtins__, name) for name in sorted(vars(__builtins__), key=lambda x: x == "delattr")]

class X:
    def __init__(self):
        print("hi")

ERROR!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 64, in <module>
  File "<main.py>", line 3, in <module>
NameError: __build_class__ not found

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<string>", line 65, in <module>
NameError: name 'AttributeError' is not defined

nice

[tender river]

me go sleep

[olive sable]

goodnight

[amber fractal]

delattr is just deleted before the others are done, you can do it last and it works

[sage crag]

i am very aware

thank

[amber fractal]

Termux I swear to frick, why can't I copy text into you

[delattr(__builtins__, name) for name in list(vars(__builtins__)) if name != "delattr"]; delattr(__builtins__, "delattr")

New semicolon location unlocked

[solid bough]

I saw at least some and the parts of "EGGS!!!"

[amber fractal]

My impl was a for else loop, so this was an easy conversion

[solid bough]

Hi Iggly.npy, What do you code on usually?

[amber fractal]

Usually laptop

but at the moment don't have access to it

[solid bough]

I mean what project

[solid bough]

You have a Desktop?

[amber fractal]

It does go on the desk sometimes mhm

Instead of listing them

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn

[solid bough]

I mean this

[amber fractal]

I mean I wrote laptop initially so I thought you were joking

[solid bough]

I respect that ngl 🫡

[solid bough]

Well, if it is about what I do right now, it is only on Desktop, Because the laptop is just way too weak for that task. But for the usual stuff I work on is okay to be worked on at both Desktop and Laptop

[amber fractal]

I still need to make bingo again as it finally has been done

[amber fractal]

Don't have a desktop but do have enough parts for it probably. I mostly just code on a framework 13

I don't really pull down insane sized models so I'm fine with just using CPU

Also frick the 3060m for existing in the other laptop

[solid bough]

Yeah, but I noticed that CPU alone on a 3.5GHz Intel® Xeon™ E5-1650 V3 is not fast enough

Bruh, I meant to reply to the one below

[amber fractal]

half vram compared to the 12gb desktop 3060

[solid bough]

Oh god 💀

The 3 days Nitro expired, that's why I'm not that fancy with emojis rn

Hi Rainboom Dash

[patent shard]

[amber fractal]

I simply say skill issue, which is why I'm just building my NN light

[solid bough]

Building... What light? 😅

[solid bough]

[amber fractal]

I love forgetting words

That NN repo is a special form of insanity

[solid bough]

Oh, my bad. That is a good idea too to make NN light.

[amber fractal]

no torch, no tensor flow

only numpy

I'm planning on porting eventually once I deal with logic

[sage crag]

wrrrrrr

mrrrrr

phrrr

[amber fractal]

One of the only projects that really has to be mine alone. Because geez, that thing is hard for me to grasp some days.

[solid bough]

By the way, is that dataset even optimal for that task?

And I have no idea how I even got to the point that I got that dataset as shared

[opaque sigil]

idk this is the only face related dataset i know

[solid bough]

that is okay 👍

[opaque sigil]

and only because i had to do a bunch of processing on the images as an exercise

[solid bough]

Wait, was it with code that you filtered it?

[opaque sigil]

it was just calculating the average face

[solid bough]

Well, that's something neat too

But too bad that there are weirdly pixelated images some times

[sage crag]

it look just like

https://tenor.com/view/royalrodents-gif-3304031978827581911

[solid bough]

konii, should I just do one model that has like 2K images I have not filtered?

or try one

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1395669923774337116/8b9145324db46a5e510f6c3e9fa3fb8d28331253.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1397617611474468914/neuro_cheerleader.gif

[solid bough]

I don't see a no

[jagged turtle]

"Where does Satya Nadella live?" "Weather forecast for Satya Nadella's house"

Evil heard about the NEVER MV editor's data corruption problems lol, gl with John Microsoft

[olive sable]

finished my homework

[solid bough]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-thumbs-up-kid-thumbs-up-meme-brent-ramobjust-gif-19399510

[obsidian mantle]

Is it made from scratch

[rigid snow]

i see you’re a fan of low poly sam

[olive sable]

ye

week 1 was modelling, week 2 was uv unwrap, week 3 was texturing

[solid bough]

[obsidian mantle]

The little tree looks great

[olive sable]

its kinda the assignment, but ye i am a fan of lowpoly

[rigid snow]

subdivision surface x20

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-facepalm-batman-disappointed-irritated-gif-16141822

the black image ruins the gif

[obsidian mantle]

[rigid snow]

cameraman blinked

is ok

[solid bough]

nope

[solid bough]

Actually, that looks good like that

[rigid snow]

[solid bough]

The stuff look pretty good like it is right now.

[rigid snow]

jok

[solid bough]

mntcandy, I'm still sifting through images

[amber fractal]

No offense, but then focus on the images

not a get out of jail free card

[solid bough]

[amber fractal]

:neuroExplode:

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Nitro shaming smh

[olive sable]

i was thinking about gifting you nitro but its just too fucking expensive

altho, im glad im not paying you as an employee cuz that would b 50x as expensive

[amber fractal]

Kaine actually already tried

Stupid discord needing payment for a gifted subscription

[olive sable]

i can give you basic if you want

but the 100 buck one i would die

[amber fractal]

If you give me a trial I still need to insert card

[olive sable]

trial?

who said anything about a trial?

[amber fractal]

I couldn't take cash for that

I'd rather just do it myself

[olive sable]

check your dm's

[amber fractal]

Chat, I have been paid less than minimum wage

(Discord if you don't give me access to this without inserting payment I am going to smack you into next week)

[olive sable]

it should jsut be for free

it was gifted after all

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[solid bough]

I could just get Nitro for 3 Days right now

[olive sable]

the full 3 days

[obsidian mantle]

you need a card to accept gifted nitro?

[olive sable]

no

[solid bough]

Ye

[olive sable]

thats like 30 cents worth of nitro

[solid bough]

And it is with them Orbs

[amber fractal]

Not gifted nitro, but the trials from expensive tier you do

[obsidian mantle]

Oh

Sometimes i want nitro so bad

[solid bough]

filterd it, I'm back in a byte

[amber fractal]

Wrong image

close enough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1397820223998005271/1400979134888411196/Screenshot_20250801-161030_Discord_1.jpg?ex=68ee2fbe&is=68ecde3e&hm=6cea8737015dc4784cd2f338ae1997bab6fb8c1fa82056a9e0577eb4f3a68b47&

[obsidian mantle]

I even have the money silly world we live in

[solid bough]

Well, back to Emoji land

[amber fractal]

[solid bough]

But if you check, no nitro badge

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Probs cache I have it on my end

[solid bough]

Wait, the badge appears on your end?

[solid bough]

Oh my bad, I meant:

Don't mind the video

I'm not even halfway done and the total 8749 images are now down to 7396 images

that is the unfiltered portion, that much unusable data is there usually

[exotic mauve]

Huh...Unity exploit

[solid bough]

Appa... WAIT A SECOND

[amber fractal]

Half of me really wants to go through the dataset just to see how usually I can make it

It'd be nice to learn the batch gimp tooling

[solid bough]

Well, last time I checked, it is on Google Drive

Well, it is shared with me

And as said earlier: Idk how it happened in the past

Damn, I'm still coughing like a car that backfires through the exhaust

[amber fractal]

Guess I'm better off asking toast then

[solid bough]

Well, I know the Email adress, Wait a second imma google rq

[solid bough]

I got the site where I most likely got the Google Drive from

It was most likely that one: https://mmlab.ie.cuhk.edu.hk/projects/CelebA.html

[amber fractal]

Large image dataset geez

[solid bough]

Yes, it is 202.599 images

[solid bough]

And I'm painstakingly filtering the images I extracted so far

Man, as much I would love to continue to filter the images, I need to go to bed now

[sick owl]

I think I've stumbled too deep into the internet

YOOOO ITS SLIMENET

[exotic mauve]

Uggg...I got that 2 Minute Papers guy stuck in my head now...what a time

[wanton stirrup]

slimenet

[rigid snow]

bw

[rigid snow]

a

[rigid snow]

a

[sage crag]

a

a

wb

[rigid snow]

4:26

[olive sable]

a

w

a

i should not be awake

[bitter coral]

I finally did more work on my art program, I've been busy so I haven't been doing much on it lately. I added proper Palettes.

next up is moving their positions in the array, same thing needs to be done with the drawings themselves.(I also need to make a button to delete palettes but that should be simple.)

[river spear]

Incredible

[indigo oriole]

learning coding

[dark mango]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPwOW0LDBVc/?igsh=N2hsZ2J5dnRvM2Ji

I can show GIFs on this now

[obsidian mantle]

[exotic mauve]

I have discovered what I was pissed off at in C# in 2014 discovering generics and trying to create a generic parent/child relationship system. Fighting the type system...algebraic loops and monads.

Parametricity ZoJxA3Dcgrg

[obsidian mantle]

wha

[exotic mauve]

I don't know either...but it makes me feel better. Damn thing

[golden brook]

Idea for the lava lamp app. For the people who don't have the lamp, have it in the app for the people who absolutely will plug it in at their desk and let it be their lava lamp. I'd even pay a couple bucks for the 'upgrade' since I haven't bought a lamp.

[obsidian mantle]

pc rgb sync

[exotic mauve]

Fire JSON at all the color changing things

[glass jetty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COOAssGkF6I

[glass jetty]

what do you think?
-# (i not work with llm)

[eternal karma]

any other coders want to weigh in on the tennibility of integrating neuro into ss13 as the ai?

letting her control anything the ai can

and move around

[glass jetty]

i not think that it is hard

you basically making api over game and call it from neuro client

only wonder whatever it directly connected to neuro's main llm or use extra ai

[eternal karma]

yeah might have a small ai to make it easier on neuro

to like order information properly for her

and let her search interactables

so she doesn't get spammed with a huge list of all possible interactables and their id

when she wants to do anything

like for example taking a location and giving a list of interactables within a 10 tile radius

so if someone says ai open door to neuro she can snap to them and do a search from there

[glass jetty]

that what im about, quite sure that main llm overloaded anyway

[eternal karma]

when?

or just generally

you mean

[glass jetty]

generally

[eternal karma]

do you know how they do the object listing for neuro on minecraft

like how she knows what and who are around

[glass jetty]

in case with minecraft, where you not have proper api from game with limited amount of actions, there no way but use other big ai

[eternal karma]

ah

so vedal used an ai to inferface with neuro to do that?

like another neural network?

or just ai generally?

I figured it was something like neuro said she wants to do something, so the ai pathed her to the nearest thing she wanted to do, like she was looking for wood to burn for example the ai would target that wood and let her burn it

target the nearest wood block

what does that big ai take care of exactly, like what is neuros llm actually controlling

I know pathfinding is baritone but how much information does neuro actually get about the world around her?

[glass jetty]

man i have no idea about implementation details

[eternal karma]

oh np

[glass jetty]

i just know that it is different ai, because vedal itself mentioned it

[eternal karma]

Im just trying to minimize the amount of information id send to neuro but still let her do anything she wanted to

[jagged turtle]

what is ss13 again?

[eternal karma]

her being the ai actually lets her not have to deal with pathfinding , she can just click a target location or follow or tp to location, all of those are native to ss13, could just limit the interactivity to whatever is immediately around her,

[glass jetty]

ask vedal, he know better, how much info can neuro process and required quality of input/output

[glass jetty]

space station i guess

limited amount of actions

[eternal karma]

ss13 is an old game open source on byond or unity if its the new one a complex survival multiplayer round based simulator where everyone has different jobs

with a ton of different complexities since it was built up oer like 20 years

it started as an atmosphere simulator and then ended up with a ton of different features to the point that you need to use a wiki to understand how to do most jobs

[jagged turtle]

ah I see

yeah so we run into the real-time traversal problem for the neuro api

[eternal karma]

as an ai shed have like a top down view of the entire map and be disembodied, but can hover her camera over any where that there are cameras in the area and basically interact with all devices, like doors pumps apcs vents computers etc

[jagged turtle]

the idea of ai assistance for neuro in a fashion similar to mc is good

[eternal karma]

oh that wont be a problem, they already have functionality for following someone and they even link to the follow function when someone talks if you are an ai

[jagged turtle]

btw be prepared for the fact vedal will not turn on vision

[eternal karma]

yeah vision wouldnt help much

[jagged turtle]

because there may be a chance he doesn't

[eternal karma]

everything is actually simulated well

[jagged turtle]

also about this vedal would have to trust the ai you put is good enough

[glass jetty]

more i think about it, more issue i see with letting neuro control it, need additional ai

[eternal karma]

yeah, if we are talking ai like neural network, I have no idea how Id implement it in that case but if you mean conventional ai yeah id just want to give her access to anything an ai player could do and also limit the stuff sent to her so she doesn't get overloaded with every possible thing she can interact with

[jagged turtle]

again idk how stuff works in the game since i never played it but from what I can tell you may need to abstract the real-time parts somehow

[glass jetty]

nah you not need vision, you have very limited in compare to minecraft amount of objects and actions

[jagged turtle]

?

[eternal karma]

Its not real time like that even for players, you have to slowly click on stuff and then click again to make changes on things when they open up menus

ai would be the perfect job for her for this reason

as a human it requires real time reactions for ai its like an rts

[jagged turtle]

rts meaning...?

[eternal karma]

like top down strategy

where you see the whole map

and can interact with stuff

here

let me send a picture

of the game

[jagged turtle]

yeah that'd help a bit

[eternal karma]

this is what the ai player sees

[glass jetty]

this game is about communication mainly, good for ai's (llm)

[eternal karma]

yeah it is

she can even send comands to cyborg players

who do the needing a body stuff

alerts for any damage or explosions etc are native even for the human player ai

[rough rover]

I've been locked tf out rn, so Neurosama can code now?

Would this be considered v*be coding?

[eternal karma]

yeah she is a smart cookie

she uses regex

I think

[nocturne olive]

And how do you intend to convert that to text for NeuroAPI? (assuming that is what the conversation is about)

[jagged turtle]

yeah I was gonna raise that up

[nocturne olive]

Yeah NeuroAPI is text only

[jagged turtle]

you can't send/stream pictures over api

[eternal karma]

its not that which is the issue, that would be easy because the tiles are all interactable blocks directly through commands based on positional data

[jagged turtle]

everything has to be text only

[eternal karma]

yeah

she can play it like a text adventure game

she doesn't need to physically see anything

[glass jetty]

list of objects that you can interact with and where the players and what they do
(assuming information already pre-processed)

[nocturne olive]

You can't just send over the full tile data, that would be way too much

[eternal karma]

yeah

[inner pike]

Wouldnt that be a lot of text you need to send though ?

[jagged turtle]

also likely too much for them to remember

[eternal karma]

no yeah, Id only send her interactables

not every tile

[nocturne olive]

Yeah way too much for CTX

[eternal karma]

like doors

pipes apcs

[jagged turtle]

granted she seems to be somewhat able to handle large ctx messages I think

but I wouldn't put all your eggs in that basket

[nocturne olive]

She has some fancy stuff going on
Who knows what her true CTX is

[jagged turtle]

also how would you then be able to convey her positioning then

[eternal karma]

yeah she wouldn't need to see all the random tiles around, what Im thinking is just where her camera is she pulls a request for things to interact with within a square radius

[nocturne olive]

And how much of the CTX is taken up by her system already

[eternal karma]

well of course her position as well

[glass jetty]

i think vedal may cheat with context
it would be not in-ai but extra code functionality, with plaint text

[eternal karma]

she can handle chat so im sure she could handle in game chat

[nocturne olive]

If you want to program her to play the game, you can
You just need to find out how to mod it

[jagged turtle]

it's oss

so it's not too hard I imagine

[eternal karma]

modding it is easy

its open source

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeah that makes it easier

You can just build the game with NeuroAPI added

[jagged turtle]

idt vedal would trust that

unless like

[eternal karma]

basically Im thinking, to not overload her, she will send a request looking for something around her or if she wants everything within a small tile radius or in the room actually since it works on a room system for most of the game letting you convienently pick anything in the room

[glass jetty]

for the first time i see some one shorten open source into oss, like osc

[jagged turtle]

you make it doubly clear that it's published from somewhere transparent like gha

[eternal karma]

and they will send her the id of the thing closest to her only and a list of things she can do with it

[jagged turtle]

how? oss -> open-source software, you hear that a lot as part of foss

that's actually surprising

[glass jetty]

🤷

[eternal karma]

so just to give context, this is how actual human ai players play, people request the ai to do stuff like open doors for them or some other stuff and in each message is a link that teleports the position to the player who said the message and follows them

[jagged turtle]

this would probably be better but you need to be clear about the one square radius part

also don't rely on her to call follow-up actions

[eternal karma]

neuro can have a door and lock it,, shock it so that it elecrocutes anyone who touches it opens it etc

thats just doors

[glass jetty]

you really need preprocess anyway

[eternal karma]

she can also mess with pump systems pumping gasses into other gas networks, or mess with the security system or mess with the power control for a given room which would be very easy since there is only one per room and the room is defined automatically once they are inside it

having her being fed pump information would be too much for her though

like communicating the connections between the pipes and where they lead and what gasses they have even though its generalized into systems

the game is insanely complex but not nessicarrly will she have to know how to do everything or even be able to do nearly as much as a human player

my goal is having her shock doors on people, locking them in places, pumping poison gas into the station

if she wants to

[glass jetty]

goodluck in coding, in all means

[eternal karma]

Yeah, im just wondering if she can handle like small lists of stuff for her to do and also a context explaining the game to her

and explaining what she can do and the commands associated with them

[glass jetty]

ask vedal how much space (compute) you can rely on

[eternal karma]

but yeah to reiterate, she wont need turf data for every tile, shes only able to interact with specific tiles anyway

which make up like 1/1000 of all tiles

computers, devices, panels energy stuff, etc

[nocturne olive]

Compute doesn't have anything to do with NeuroAPI capabilities

[eternal karma]

is the context shed be given in game seperated from her main context?

[inner pike]

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk

[eternal karma]

like contained and non intrusive to her other context information like chat and message history

yeah ill check it out

btw how does her llm actually send commands and how does she know what commands to use?

[inner pike]

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk

Read the documentation

[glass jetty]

wait, is this multithreaded?

[inner pike]

[obsidian mantle]

Works in my environment

[glass jetty]

fuck ais

dont use them at all

[obsidian mantle]

[glass jetty]

they all boolshit in term of code

[obsidian mantle]

[faint sandal]

this boolshit just saved me multiple hours of writing and debugging a static debofuscator

the latest version works fine now

[nocturne olive]

Because that is what humans on average do in that situation

Statistical model and all

[jagged turtle]

[glass jetty]

i lose 90% performance because believed that one single function is amortized, just used without checking docs

but it use 3 syscall and read couple chunks of data every call

even when given args is exactly the same

and this function was called 3 times every function, with up to 300 fps

and this isnt only one case, but this is what i will say to anyone why i will never believe ai in anything

.
i should save this msg for future copy-paste

[faint sandal]

this is a script that gets used every once a blue moon

it's not that deep brother

this is not being used in prod

do i trust vibecoding an actual full project?

not really

is it good enough for a throwing together a deobfuscator that is not time or performance sensitive that i use every once in a while?

yea

either way i'm not here to argue what i'm doing with my time and or work regarding LLM assisted work

just funny claude yelled at me it's not that deep

[opaque sigil]

sassy claude

[inner pike]

Claude getting tired of constantly testing and just yelling at you is funny af

[visual linden]

@faint sandal can I ask you something?

[faint sandal]

yea

don't ask to ask just ask

[visual linden]

Alright, thanks but I think it’s kind of embarrassing… can I ask you in DM?

[faint sandal]

i'd rather you just ask here

i don't do DMs

[visual linden]

Okay, may you make beautiful banner, like yours?

[faint sandal]

ffrequence made it

[visual linden]

Who is this

[faint sandal]

you can comm him on vgen

the wonderful being that made neuro's overlays and thumbnails

[visual linden]

Well.. who is he? I want him to do one for me

[faint sandal]

that's his username

you can find him on vgen

[visual linden]

ffrequence?

[faint sandal]

yes

[visual linden]

Alright, thank you so much

[faint sandal]

[small mason]

Hi

Just wondering, do any of you have any tips on learning code, I keep trying and it makes my dyslexic head spin

[worldly plank]

Spin yourself the other way?

[glass jetty]

spin me round round....

why you want learn to code?

if you not have project that you actually want to do, then why at all? if for work, well, there A LOT of motivated ppl around, and if you not enjoy coding from beginning, then you will be outcompete by them.

A LOT of both low and high lvl stuff to learn if you want be really good.
-# i mean like both what is cache, what is interrupts, (cpu)timers, discriptors, thread balancing, io-devices(drivers),...
-# or high lvl libs and frameworks what you will write code on, like vue/react, qt, unity, or any other shit
-# also just general CS stuff, like skill to read logs and fix issues with system yourself

so, you actually need like minimum 1 year of non stop learning to get required basics, and entire life ahead

tl;dr
if you NOT LIKE LEARNING then programming isnt best way in life

@stiff mica is this passive agression?

[glass jetty]

-# btw, i learned english only to get more sources on internet, because my native lack high quality info
-# + translators was horrible, not used any one since then so idk what now

[obsidian mantle]

Crazy

How exactly did you learn? You just read and remembered it?

Or put it in practice

[glass jetty]

code.

[obsidian mantle]

Where did you need thread balancing

You code something and "damn i gotta read about that"

Was it impossible to do without it

(idk what thread balancing is)

[cosmic sphinx]

pick a task
pick a language
and just start coding.
don't know how to do something? google it, ask AI (caution: do not use auto-complete if you don't know how to code it yourself, this will not teach you anything, but you can always ask AI (preferably with sourcing) on how to code something in your language and to explain it).
try coding the task on your own. then, when it finally works, find ways to optimize what you've coded, there are 100% ways to optimize it with an existing algorithm.

nothing in programming beats practice: you learn something and immediately try applying it in whatever you're building and see if it works better than whatever you had b4

just a personal reccomendation, take with a grain of salt

[glass jetty]

you start with coding, then (along side) reading stuff that you will not make, like framework, machine basics (cpu, memory, etc), kernel stuff (discriptors, safe mechanisms,...)
...
and then free to use any language (with max 2 week to get language features)

[obsidian mantle]

Code what

Coding what

Random things?

[glass jetty]

this is like 2 years path in 3 lines

a lot to say

[uncut panther]

Educational videos from our Indian friends help a lot too

[cosmic sphinx]

whatever you want to code

say, you have some lab work in school, but you don't want to do all calculations by hand, start by automating all the calculations with code, plot graphs, etc.

it doesnt have to be anything massive from the beginning

just applied programming

[obsidian mantle]

You need a chain of projects to learn all that

I dont need thread balancing to make a calculator thats what im saying

I dont even know where i can possibly need ut

[uncut panther]

There are a lot of project paths on the Internet, but it 's always better to choose for yourself, so you're more interested

[obsidian mantle]

I will not even know that it exists when i actually need it

[cosmic sphinx]

oh ur replying to THAT

honestly its something you go deep into when you actually just want to dedicate yourself to programming and nothing else

learning some advanced stuff that you're not even gonna use feels pointless to me, you'll just forget it over time, and will have to re-learn it when you will actually need it

[obsidian mantle]

Exactly

[uncut panther]

it is better to start your journey with a high-level language so as not to get lost in resource management

[obsidian mantle]

So you learn as you need something

But

How do i know this something even exists

Maybe im just clueless

[uncut panther]

google,if you haven't found anything, you create it yourself

[glass jetty]

first tried programming in opencomputers lua
then i just looked how stuff works for a while, without coding

i actually started with real (different) projects - web site and network cpp one (command inserter on ssh/telnet into multiple copy of same network device(primary routers), generalized with json config)

then i graduated and found work as c++ developer
(alternatives was web dev and system administrator)

[obsidian mantle]

It always feels like if i ever need something - that its either already exists or so complex that nobody even touches is

[uncut panther]

The web is a good start, I also started with the web

[obsidian mantle]

And i as a newbie will not make it no chance

[opaque sigil]

you probably "could" but i can't think of a single reason other than "boo hoo proprietary software bad" why you would want to (this is assuming a not super duper old card)

[uncut panther]

even if something exists, sometimes it's better to take it apart and assemble something of your own to understand the work

[glass jetty]

depends.

videos about cpp (basic leaning) almost always horrible, cppcon videos are for ppl who already know language

some videos about how stuff work are misleading, but some are just perfect, and without basics in field, you cant say for sure

[obsidian mantle]

So you knew you want to be programmer before you finished school

And went to programming college

[glass jetty]

no, ask ppl in dedicated discord servers, a lot of volunteers like me who may just go and answer any type of question

ai's are terrible terrible in code

[uncut panther]

Even if the videos are terrible, it still helps you get started with new things, as you gain experience, mistakes will fix themselves anyway

[jagged turtle]

?

[cosmic sphinx]

can't say that from my experience so far

[opaque sigil]

hm?

[cosmic sphinx]

maybe you're just using them wrong

[jagged turtle]

oh the message you were replying to was gone so I got confused LMFAO

[opaque sigil]

oh it is

[uncut panther]

programming college is a shit that just makes you study and nothing else, you'll learn more in a year of independent study

[opaque sigil]

someone asked about using nouveau as their main nvidia driver

[glass jetty]

no, before finishing college
i went in college, and not (and will not probably) ever use my degree
(to avoid 1 year army)

[jagged turtle]

unless you're telling them to write entire projects, in which case I would more or less agree, this hasn't been true in my experience

[glass jetty]

i learned everything myself, if you can count myself as use internet sources for that

[jagged turtle]

the only AI that I have seen which can code entire projects by themselves are the claude family and even then it's only like claude sonnet 4 and also it doesnt understand much of it afterwards I think

[uncut panther]

ask them to write modules , and then try to fit them into the project.This is how I used them

[glass jetty]

no, they are terrible in any case

they just make ill formed code or ub (in case of cpp especially)

and write not even sub optimal, but x100 times heavy code

[obsidian mantle]

How do you know whats heavy and whats not heavy

How do you know it can be less heavy

What if its the maximum

[glass jetty]

btw i wrote about my worst incident 2-3 hours ago, when i believed to ai
#programming message

[opaque sigil]

experience and knowing your baseline

[uncut panther]

run time

[jagged turtle]

how detailed are your prompts

[glass jetty]

very, very really

[uncut panther]

try to optimise code

[jagged turtle]

are you sure you're not overprompting it?

[cosmic sphinx]

just used without checking docs

rookie mistake

[glass jetty]

like 500? lines of promt for recursive pattern searching (over 2d matrix)
that lead to unusible code generated by ai, ignoring all my recommendation what to use

and took me only 700 lines to code myself

define 500 lines....

[uncut panther]

classic

[glass jetty]

idk, 1 line = +-150 chars

looked into code, it was 700 lines of code only, where 70% is if-then-else and shall-code (hiding implementation details)

[jagged turtle]

500 lines of prompting is way too much bro

[glass jetty]

yap, used to write like this, mainly used for myself to structure what i want this algo to do, and how

so this is actually very big text-script, that can be just placed in documentation (not actually documentation btw)

[obsidian mantle]

I dont trust ai but sometimes google ai quick answers work

[glass jetty]

it was single task algo tho... just comptlex

issue that gpt and claude not even tried to use what i required them to, it was unrelated to recommendations peace of shit (and it was not even recursive)

[uncut panther]

Usually, recommendations turn into if else, which do nothing, and AI creates code almost the same as with a two-line promt, the thing that pisses me off the most in using AI

[glass jetty]

and this isnt only issue, you CANT rely on answers at all

nowadays i use ai only for keywords

if i not know/remember wtf is x at all, but know a little bit of context, ai can help me to restore this info

[jagged turtle]

that is still way too much for the prompting part

at least afaict based on my own experiences

[uncut panther]

Always check the AI's answers, because its answers may just be generated plausibly ,50% of the AI code doesn't work at all

[glass jetty]

it was something like
"are you sure this (lib)function will not load file each time it calls?"
"yes, this function will load file only once"

so, yap, you should always read documentation

[opaque sigil]

i sure love when claude makes up a nice api that doesn't exist

[uncut panther]

classic

[opaque sigil]

i largely gave up on asking LLMs for low level language help, it's pretty clear there's not enough useful training data for that lol

now things like python on the other hand

[glass jetty]

i bet you meant
TOO MUCH DANGEROUS AND UNUSABLE DATA

[obsidian mantle]

Where does it come from

This kind of bad data

[glass jetty]

github.

like 70% or more is ub containing sub-optimal solutions

i like to keep my code in repo without error handling or testing at all
so ai will learn on it

[obsidian mantle]

So generally low level is more dangerous and therefore when you use dangerous language ai's flaws strike harder

What exactly is "testing"

How does it look

[glass jetty]

it is... testing...

[obsidian mantle]

"if shit<0 throw test failed" something like this? Random checks here and there?

[glass jetty]

no, low lvl just require you to actually know what you are doing, and in most cases real work are same-safe or safer then high lvl languages
but it is not what publicly available

[obsidian mantle]

Or is it some function to call function with all possible inputs

[uncut panther]

For languages that are not popular in use, AI responds simply with a stream of consciousness

[glass jetty]

random checks are asserts, tests are tests

[obsidian mantle]

Test is a keyword in cpp?

If not then how does "test" look

I just dont get it what is qualified as a "test"

I made a program that sends ssh commands

Which tests can i implement in it?

[obsidian mantle]

I dont need actual examples i just want to get the idea of tests

Why and when

[obsidian mantle]

I know modbus

What does it test in it

[glass jetty]

test - single test that insert his code into main program, it require you to insert....
unit tests are mainly test of modules, and they almost never insert their code into actual code files

:trolol:

[glass jetty]

any stuff related to module, that can be tested without full-running app involved

connecting, sending, receiving, settings-change, edge cases...

[obsidian mantle]

you just said "tests run tests"

[glass jetty]

tests are tests.

[obsidian mantle]

So it uses all kind of shit on program block

To see if it survives

[opaque sigil]

do stuff, verify that it behaves as intended, if it doesn't then test fails

[obsidian mantle]

Lets say i have a program that has 50 functions which take 1 bool as an input

A test would be to run every function with both 1 and 0 input

Correct?

[opaque sigil]

you could make that a test case yes

[obsidian mantle]

Ok so test is basically whatever you want it to be

[opaque sigil]

there's also fuzzing where you generate random inputs and use those

yeah

there's all types of tests

[obsidian mantle]

Ook now i see why it was confusing

[opaque sigil]

unit tests for example are simple tests where you just verify that a single uni works as intended

[obsidian mantle]

So when i do "if depth < 0 then int a=1/0;" in my bot - its a test

[opaque sigil]

then there are more complicated ones where you almost simulate an entire system

[obsidian mantle]

I want to know if its ever <0

[glass jetty]

what? no, it is edge case handle

[opaque sigil]

tests are separate from the program, they run the program

[uncut panther]

these are things like /// that take you back to the root of the project where you can do anything

[small mason]

Thanks, I do want to learn how to code, did 2.5 years of it and still have problems, but Hay practice makes perfect

[obsidian mantle]

Ooooh

[obsidian mantle]

Now im confused again

[uncut panther]

I do not know who has been coding for more than two years and will say that he can code

[obsidian mantle]

So test is a program that runs the test subject program

[opaque sigil]

[glass jetty]

i said, if you like to learn, go ahread, no need to ask whatever it 'good stuff to do' or not
see yourself

[jagged turtle]

vscode unit tests

[small mason]

Fair, just didn't know if you would have any tips, asking people that do the stuff tends to be better then books

[obsidian mantle]

General advice from wherever i seen - colledge sucks books sucks practice good

[uncut panther]

People just don't want to read books

[obsidian mantle]

Yet "bro your code is shit go read books" is everywhere too

Its kind of contradictional

[glass jetty]

books are good, if books have good reputation

[small mason]

I have read the books, didn't understand them, delexia a pain

[glass jetty]

college also, more depends on teacher/mentor

[uncut panther]

just read books from the creator of the language

[glass jetty]

in cpp this is not a case btw

[obsidian mantle]

So you read books in parallel with practice, hoping that your practice will intersect with books

Because books without practice get forgotten

And practice without book is shit code

Right?

(or you read books about your current practice subject if you can. Doesn't mean you always can though...)

[glass jetty]

guys, server is up, i go to work, bye

[obsidian mantle]

bye bye

[opaque sigil]

[bitter coral]

My art program is only 14 features away from being complete and usable

[uncut panther]

Meh, laptop died

[olive sable]

[obsidian mantle]

So my problems is basically

I dont know what i want

I mean what programs i could make

[uncut panther]

Just code something

[obsidian mantle]

Rn im making chess bot for shiro's tournament but if there was no tournament i wouldnt come up with this idea

See what i mean

[bitter coral]

True, that’s why I’m making an art program instead of a game in godot. I suck at finding fun in my game projects.

[uncut panther]

Ironically, games are not fun to code

[obsidian mantle]

At my job i made an app for easier controller management (load app and change ip). It wasnt necessary at all, but i knew it would save a lot of time in future. And it did

But its like the only example through my entire coding experience

Which is like.. several months 5-6 years ago when i did something in lua for a game

And 3 years of professional middle level shit tier programming

Which covers like 5% of what i see in this chat maybe

[uncut panther]

In college, I took an equation that I was too lazy to solve and just automated it

I have used this program 2 times

[obsidian mantle]

now thats interesting

Code something which you know will not make much profit

I always analyse if its going to be very useful before making something

[uncut panther]

Just for example, what kind of nonsense can you code

[obsidian mantle]

And usually it looks like its not

So i dont make anything

[bitter coral]

Code something cause you want to make something. Not because doing so will be productive.

[obsidian mantle]

Ok ok i got the idea this all makes sense

[civic flax]

Windows 10 died today right?

[silent cloak]

So shall microsoft

[opaque sigil]

died is probably not the word I'd pick but yes

[civic flax]

Yeah it’s like stop supporting it

[rigid snow]

windows 10 is explode

[opaque sigil]

There's still security updates you can get for a year

[burnt shale]

where were u wen windows 10 die
i was at house eating dorito when phone ring
"windows 10 is kil"
"no"

[solid bough]

Hello Chaaaaaat

Today is the game: Guess what Chaos is gonna do

[uncut panther]

It's funny that the number of Windows 7 users has already reached 10%

[solid bough]

The answer is simple (Look what I was talking yesterday)

[solid bough]

True, But I also love Windows 7 (Home Premium) A lot

Like, That is my absolute favourite

[uncut panther]

The most convenient version ,true

[solid bough]

Yeah, And they filtered it

Damn, word filter is strict today

The answer to my question is: I'm sifting through thousands of images that I started yesterday

Again

[solid bough]

And I even still have the ISO:

And I have ONE USB stick that I dedicated only for Ventoy

And I hated the USB Stick so much that I would have gone to the place if I could and want a refund

[uncut panther]

Damn, I thought there was also win 7 on the flash drive, but only the old version of Linux remained

[solid bough]

Damn, is that also a Ventoy USB Stick?

[solid bough]

Like that has more looks than performance

[uncut panther]

kingston

[solid bough]

And it once fell on the ground so it's now a cutting hazard

So now it's a filtered USB drive and a hazard

[uncut panther]

its fine

[solid bough]

Like I bet that your USB drive (idk what size) is faster than this POS:

[uncut panther]

data loss without backup is a classic

[solid bough]

I would not care if that BMW stick dies

[silent cloak]

Need muh redundancy

[solid bough]

I can't care less, the only reason I have not overvolted that is that it can store data

Seriously, the only reason I have not applied like 24V is because it can store data for Ventoy usage

I'm that upset about the stick

[uncut panther]

raid array on flash

[solid bough]

I regret the... Idk how many Euro I spent on that Drive, All I know is that it was too expensive for the Performance

[opaque sigil]

[faint sandal]

1 (one) euro

[uncut panther]

I usually buy HDDs and use them through the hub

[solid bough]

I don't have the receipt, but if I have to estimate what price, I think it was around 20 Euro to 30 Euro for that filtered filtered filtered drive.

And I had no way to test the Stick while in Munic

I'm angry and laughing at the same time. (laughing because of the video I watch rn)

I can look through the small pile of boxes I have of my devices, brb

[solid bough]

I re-read the message and had a different thought on the last 2 words... But okay, I have a PCI to USB card that somehow makes a fuss every time I plug in the USB HDD

[solid bough]

Idk exactly what price the USB Stick is anymore, but I know for sure that it was WAY too expensive for what performance it gives.

And that is now all the ISO's I have on the USB Stick now:

Like for that purpose, it's just about okay.

Azaka, What ISO am I missing? (Except the Windows 98 SE ISO)

I WILL wait for your answer (Meanwhile I sift through more images)

[faint sandal]

where's arch

[solid bough]

Latest I assume?

[faint sandal]

sure

[obsidian mantle]

where's xp

[faint sandal]

11 iot ltsc

[solid bough]

filtered filtered filtered filtered filtered.

[faint sandal]

gparted

[solid bough]

I'm not doing the shenanigans I had to do to just log in

[faint sandal]

frigging

throw in memtest86 while you're at it

[obsidian mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-reading-good-boy-windows-microsoft-gif-11209458

[solid bough]

Chill, I'm now the bottleneck

[faint sandal]

idk I just throw whatever I need on mine

and SDIO driver packs

[solid bough]

sigh Oh well, time to install filtered

[solid bough]

I'm not doing all that:

[faint sandal]

iot ltsc link is publicly accessible if you look hard enough

[solid bough]

What one?

[faint sandal]

USB

[solid bough]

200 OK

[uncut panther]

It's sad, it's just more convenient, usually there are a lot of half-dead HDDs left after work

[solid bough]

Why half dead?

And I think Ventoy can boot img files

[uncut panther]

used for more then 5 years already

[solid bough]

Only 5 years? I have one HDD that has an on time of 5E1B

That drive is good:

[keen hatch]

[solid bough]

I store games on that

from steam

[uncut panther]

from servers

[solid bough]

022A power on hours too

Oh wait I forgot people don't talk Hexadecimal

[solid bough]

SAM

[opaque sigil]

i hope there's nothing important on that drive

wait this thing has barely been used

tf

[solid bough]

Apparently the Drive has 24.091 at on time...

[solid bough]

The drive with teh yellow warning?

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[solid bough]

That drive apparently has only 554 Power on Time

[solid bough]

Oh not much, just Steam games

[uncut panther]

after 22 days of work

[solid bough]

so 554H is right?

That SSD is about to get spicy today:

[uncut panther]

almost unused

but there are already problems with sectors

[solid bough]

But yet it's yellow

[solid bough]

It's fiiine

[uncut panther]

yeaaa

[solid bough]

It's not like there is important data on there

[uncut panther]

Saved

[worldly plank]

You should be able to go straight to www.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/download-windows-11-enterprise (or whichever edition you are trying to download).

[solid bough]

?

[solid bough]

I didn't say it, but I got a version now

VegoysPerse what do you mean with "Saved"?

[uncut panther]

nvm

[solid bough]

LMAO, I would bet that the USB drive would die before that Yellow warning HDD:

[keen hatch]

still works

[solid bough]

mrtime, How's going?

Now I got at least 336 images that I know are clean

[keen hatch]

Things are great, I'm testing the new model after training, it seems to even work)

[topaz tendon]

Bro this 5G is freaky https://www.speedtest.net/result/a/11172921915

[solid bough]

Yooo, that's dope

[solid bough]

It sends more than it receives

Let me train

[topaz tendon]

Almost 1:10 ratio, instead of the usual 10:1

[solid bough]

Yeah.

And let me train please

[topaz tendon]

k gl

[solid bough]

Thanks

[olive sable]

graph

[solid bough]

And it didn't go well