programming

[nocturne olive]

You can use the Chess API and STD, that's all

Whatever is available by default is all fair game

[olive sable]

those should be available by default

[nocturne olive]

In the case of Kotlin it's a whole load of useful conveniences

Just look at this chessPush(searchTree.associate { it.value.first to computeMoveRecursiveScore(it.children, 1) }.maxBy { it.value }.key)

[obsidian mantle]

Isnt vector technically std

It comes in the box

And other libraries that are integrated

What is std anyway

I thought std is "standard library"

Or something like that

[rigid snow]

who said otherwise

[midnight sigil]

std is standard

[sick owl]

Finally bit the bullet and bought some VPN time today

Went for Mullvad because DAITA is cool

[rigid timber]

bro forgot the if (move.isMate) pushMove(move)

[rigid snow]

imagine not needing a vpn to do anything

[midnight sigil]

see how many nodes your bot have to search before getting Qe8#

[rigid timber]

can't, I don't have a bot yet

I've been a bit too busy at work and haven't had energy to program stuff after work yet

[midnight sigil]

🥀

[sick owl]

Lemme guess, the great firewall or the digital iron curtain?

[rigid snow]

latter

[sick owl]

o7

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

only 143 fps?

[olive sable]

its vsync

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

my laptop is 144hz

[rigid snow]

not 540?

[olive sable]

let me see if i can change the lecturer guys' code

[olive sable]

this laptop was 600 bucks, im glad i even have 144

[rigid snow]

cost = refresh rate

should've been 600hz

[true hemlock]

5.1 GHz on 6.6W

while having 20C ish temps

[olive sable]

here

i turned vsync off

this is on a 3050 laptop, so 2500 is pretty good

[nocturne olive]

Sillying with Vulkan or something else?

[true hemlock]

gimme

[olive sable]

uh

[clear sedge]

i saw a GLuint and something about compute

it's probably opengl compute shaders

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[faint sandal]

I vibecoded a project for the first time

is this disgust I feel inside

[olive sable]

ye

e

[obsidian mantle]

what if its not your turn but opponents recursed turn

[rigid timber]

do it anyway

[midnight sigil]

buh

[rigid timber]

huh, it makes the previous found move on a stalemate?

oh wait, not a stalemate, that's a pawn, not a bishop

[midnight sigil]

idk I can't replicate it

[rigid timber]

actually even if it was a bishop that position would be impossible with that last move, I just can't read

[midnight sigil]

maybe it didn't push a move and API.done() submitted the previous move

I rerun and the bot can output a2b3 correctly

[olive sable]

the game of life thing was not mine, i just used the example code

now i have made a simple shader that runs at a grand total of 2fps

[rough bloom]

elementwise sum

[olive sable]

i have no clue why its running at 2fps but it seems to be normal cuz the teacher has that too

its something cpu side cuz i get 1% gpu usage

oh

it was the print function

[midnight sigil]

[rough bloom]

[midnight sigil]

MVV-LVA sounds fucking bad ass

Most Valuable Victim - Least Valuable Aggressor

[olive sable]

victim

[midnight sigil]

victim

the programmer behind is the real victim of chess bots

[hollow spruce]

ALMOST 3GB YEA

[midnight sigil]

🛌

I changed the evaluation method, somehow the search time grow longer instead of the eval time

[clear sedge]

https://youtu.be/ZFHnbozz7b4

[tender river]

me new record

[rigid snow]

way too fast (pretyped response)

[tender river]

4 wpm

[rigid snow]

slow down

[tender river]

5

[obsidian mantle]

somehow my new iteration of bot makes all previous bots act dumb

but new one acts dumb too

they somehow get 5-6 back-to-back loops jiggling one piece and reverting their move

all pawns blocked

they exit these loops after they have no option but to stalemate if they go on and then one of bots makes a sacrifice

also my wsl crashed somehow

[tender river]

6

[olive sable]

7

[tender river]

incorrect

[olive sable]

8

anyways, compute shader thing was cool, they only howed how to do it in opengl tho si ill have to figure out the vulkan side myself.

[obsidian mantle]

however this might mean that there are no actually good moves so they do it right

(maybe there are if you much deeper but i cant afford)

[formal quartz]

i love sitting on an quickly programmed timebomb

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/196063748354473984/a_0e926fc106752c6c34ce72bc89a016dd.gif?size=4096

[olive sable]

your shiro emotes are not from the same server as mine

[hollow spruce]

ai bot raw mode 😉

🧠 Generated reply:
"]@HL@`_+SPFkW%|GzgU[[[[[[[[[[["

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[idle iron]

ok so i added shuffle and loop anything else im missing? im also playing with button sizes and locations

[vernal summit]

i am going insane

a method as long as 300+ lines

that's not the end.

a file, 2000+ lines

and more 20 files as long as that

i don't want to say anything.
just want to escape the hell

[clear sedge]

[vernal summit]

[lost hill]

Idk what you're doing, but shouldn't there be a Reverse button that inverts the order of the playlist?

[idle iron]

im making a media player because i dont trust main stream players

and no? why would you invert the order?

[lost hill]

I usually do. You can go to Spotify rn and see that, besides the Shuffle button, there's also an invert button.

You'd use it if you only want to listen to the most recent tracks in the playlist (if it's sorted newest last) or the oldest ones (otherwise).

It's especially useful for local players because it allows you to easily jump into locally saved playlists without sorting the entire playlists with a different method.

Say, what if your player doesn't save manual playlist ordering, like YouTube? Then I'd just click on whatever song in the middle, invert playback and enjoy the latest music without bugging myself over how to do it properly.

[idle iron]

i see

alright then

[obsidian mantle]

whatever i do it gets worse
but it still blunders

[idle iron]

on second thought its a local meda player so maybe other sorting options instead like new to old ect

im not trying to remake spotify lol

[rigid timber]

an invert button next to the shuffle button...?

[idle iron]

well what ever its one extra button

[rigid timber]

I mean yeah, I'm just confused where they saw an invert button on Spotify, there's no such thing

bc if there is one, I'd like to know where it is, it'd be useful

[idle iron]

the reason i might not tbh because songs are sorted alphabetically so playing the oldest song would not always happen

i think it would just be better to add sort options

[rigid snow]

yeah you can't reverse

in spotify

you can sort and it'll play in that order, there's no "reverse custom order" option though

[patent shard]

@nocturne olive I'm curious, have you tried unwa ft2 bleedless for rvc model training? That's what I used for the audio I posted

[nocturne olive]

And what may that be? I use Applio for my model training

[rigid snow]

i assume stem separation model

yeah it is

[nocturne olive]

How weird

From what I'm aware for model data Roformer is best

[patent shard]

There's lots of roformers..
More specifically, models
The main roformers are bs and mel-band
But the model makes a huge difference

[rigid snow]

are the affected repos in the room with us

[fathom plover]

“Slurm for Instant Clusters is now live on Runpod” is a sentence written by aliens

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

:c

I may have found a file format ffmpeg can't magically decode

[formal quartz]

slurm really a glorp kinda acronym

[trim valve]

i have been very productive today

wtf digikey

[dry charm]

wtf is a HTML character

[lucid pelican]

//:

idk, im not a programmer, but i speak fluent BS

[tender river]

<>"/=

xml

[dry charm]

I guess, but it is weird saying "HTML Character"

like that prevents SQL injection

also I never understood arbitrary password limitations either

why the fuck you cannot use symbols or more than 12 characters???

A PAYMENT SYSTEM

[opaque sigil]

plaintext passwords

[lilac lantern]

CREATE TABLE Users (
  Username VARCHAR(12),
  Password VARCHAR(12)
);

Looks good to me

[opaque sigil]

[cosmic sphinx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/924650711403360306/1377723576286842900/LEAKED.gif

[trim valve]

i love

trying to reverse engineer a random file system

it is going

so well

:3

[clear sedge]

i can imagine

i reverse engineered a homemade .tar once

[trim valve]

the worst part is

[steel mesa]

ah yes coming back to my code months later to fix it and it actually works

[trim valve]

I have the source code, but not all of it

[steel mesa]

i say this as it breaks

[dry charm]

love VARCHAR(12) when also VARCHAR(255) takes 4 bytes in the table lol

[trim valve]

$ cat CHIP.BIN | xxd | head -n 40
00000000: 0182 b158 2000 0000 80b9 1300 03ff 0000  ...X ...........
00000010: 6469 725f 736f 6e67 00ff ffff ffff ffff  dir_song........
00000020: d47f d589 a00c 0000 9f26 0000 02ff 0000  .........&......
00000030: 4649 4c45 5f30 3030 312e 6631 6200 ffff  FILE_0001.f1b...
00000040: 1866 f3ad 4033 0000 882e 0000 02ff 0000  .f..@3..........
00000050: 4649 4c45 5f30 3030 322e 6631 6200 ffff  FILE_0002.f1b...
00000060: 9149 49b7 d061 0000 f831 0000 02ff 0000  .II..a...1......
00000070: 4649 4c45 5f30 3030 332e 6631 6200 ffff  FILE_0003.f1b...
00000080: 5a7b 584b d093 0000 1c32 0000 02ff 0000  Z{XK.....2......
00000090: 4649 4c45 5f30 3030 342e 6631 6200 ffff  FILE_0004.f1b...

this is both like, a really "obvious" file format

and completely confusing the life out of me

😭

[dry charm]

hueh

maybe it is a filesystem of an embeded system?

[trim valve]

yeah it is

its off a flash chip I dumped

[trim valve]

^

[trim valve]

also seemingly a custom embedded file format too

😭

[balmy nacelle]

i just learnt... 5 minutes ago that there's a distinct difference between a development blog and a changelog... I've been writing changelog when i wanted to write dev blog
Time to add a bunch of extra for v1.3 to try recount what i wanted to do in 1.0 -> 1.2 then

[trim valve]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

ok i found why I couldn't figure out why some stuff didn't have methods

the audio decoding is done in a precompiled archive

:3

[rigid snow]

bw a

[clear sedge]

bw b

[uneven pulsar]

Any one has any idea on how to get my LLM to use tools in OpenWebUI? Since my OpenWebUI is in a Docker container i thought of using OpenWebUI's MCP server client feature for it, but i've ran into issues while trying and mostly failing to make an MCP server...

[patent shard]

only problem with this is it's a very high bleedless model.. the voice quickly becomes muffled if the instruments are even remotely loud
even here it's.. eh.. big beta 6x is more balanced, not sure if it's bleedless enough to be good for training models, though.. sounds somewhat clean.. but, I know even the smallest of noise can mess it up
NEVER was perfectly okay with this model, BOOM required big beta 6x (even then, slightly muffled) and LIFE I combined big beta 5e with big beta 6x.. moderately noisy, but the fullness was at least mostly there
I'm listening to the NEVER you posted, it doesn't sound as clean or as full to my ears as the one I posted
essay over

[uneven pulsar]

I'm not a dev btw, i'm a technician, so idk crap about all this

[midnight sigil]

I got an email from [e-mail] stating a security breach smh

[midnight sigil]

I recommend watching both chess bot videos of Sebastian Lague

gives you a lot of initial basics

[pure nest]

nice security unity
https://unity.com/security/sept-2025-01

[warped narwhal]

8.4 affecting every version of unity all the way back to 2017.... Yikes

[olive sable]

im sure my engine doesnt have any security issues

[clear sedge]

oh mine is gonna be riddled in security issues

[olive sable]

ye same

if we ignore the fact that the entire engine code is on github, it parses png and gltf files without doing any security checks

that being said im using well established libraries, you're doing it yourself

L bozo

from my understanding the recourse filles themselves cant have any active malware, but they can put data in a way to exploit issues in the file parser???

[rigid snow]

what the fuck i'm running inference on my gpu and fans just reached a speed preset i never knew it even had, shit was about to take off for a few seconds

i've had this gpu for 6 years

[olive sable]

i guess that means you've had good cooling on your gpu

[rigid snow]

i've never seen it go higher than like 82 degrees but wasn't monitoring temps when this happened

[rigid snow]

btw i tried the model on a very hard song for stem separation models and am very impressed

this is th best result by far

[olive sable]

i didn't buy any extra case fans, so at first my gpu was pretty loud.
i just moved the exhaust fan to be an intake for the gpu. so now all is good

the noctua fans are good enough for exhaust anyways

[rigid snow]

far from perfect still but really good

[rigid snow]

forgot to clarify, specifically in terms of how much depth of vocals it extracts, so it really surprised me a “bleedless” model does so good

[glad path]

yeah

that's what my laptop does

when i run anything ml related

i ran a 4b model on a macbook air once and got the cpu cores up to 104.44c

[olive sable]

that's what my laptop does when i run anything ml related ❌
that's what my laptop does when i run ❌
that's what my laptop does ❌
that's my laptop ❌
that's laptop ✅

[rigid snow]

only gaming laptop

[olive sable]

nah even non-gaming latops, 90% of them get loud

[rigid snow]

also this is weird this should not happen

[amber fractal]

Every laptop is a jet engine execpt for the ones that lost that privlage

[rigid snow]

i guess if the chassis is cool enough it won't throttle

[olive sable]

its only macbooks that keep quiet at the expense of burning your thighs

[rigid snow]

only macbook air

because no fan

[olive sable]

ye that

[rigid snow]

mine does not burn me

[olive sable]

i dont know apple branding

[amber fractal]

air, no air

[olive sable]

when is air ultra pro max releasing?

i need me some of that premium oxygen

[amber fractal]

iMac (i see you in the landfill all in one)

[olive sable]

imac is the tv ones right?

[amber fractal]

yep

Well not TV exactly

[olive sable]

monitor but 4K

when 4K wasnt "normal"

[amber fractal]

5K*

[olive sable]

ye

retina

[amber fractal]

But no, it is the equivalt of slapping pc on the backside on monitor

[olive sable]

my highschool had those

[opaque sigil]

https://fattrol.com/products/canned-air-from-norway

[olive sable]

shitty nuc's with mini-dp ports, adapted to either hdmi or dp, or vga for the older monitors

[amber fractal]

no no, that is the Mac

the mac is the cube

[olive sable]

they were taped onto the back of monitors

[opaque sigil]

mini pcs are cheap and convenient

[amber fractal]

iMac (vendor lockin mhm)

[opaque sigil]

the imac would be really cool if it wasn't made by apple

[amber fractal]

I've seen a touchscreen one on windows

[opaque sigil]

iirc hp had some new ones a while ago that aren't too bad repairability wise

but you may as well just buy a smol pc so

[olive sable]

i remember we had 1 monitor with a loose power cable, and the psu was built into the screen so you had a full 240V loose.
you sometimes had to push it furhter in to make it work, at the risk of getting shocked or zappy noises

[amber fractal]

That is just every outlet in my house mhm

[olive sable]

the outlets in my room are 80 years old, but even they have a safety mechanism

[amber fractal]

(my room's breaker trips by existing thanks for asking)

[midnight sigil]

I got free orbs from comet pog

[patent shard]

They've gotten really good, yeah
I still find for personal listening, big beta 6x is my go-to a lot.. just has a little more fullness while not being super noisy by any means

[patent shard]

it... is like a 1.7gb model which is kind of crazy, they just made it super big for the heck of it
you kind of hit diminishing returns above like 200-300mb..

[fast pagoda]

messing with the stupid claude "build with ur imagine :o" mode they have on there and i was like idk uh make a cyberpunk visualizer

this mf is fuckin manually writing shit to "run" it by replacing stuff in the DOM manually

[jagged turtle]

lmfao

[thorn ridge]

@uneven pulsar there, I helped

Bro wanted to ask but was shy

Shame him

[hollow spruce]

input was fixed completely

[sage crag]

making bootable usb is trivially easy

if you use windows use rufus, if not, use balena etcher or something

there are lots of video and text guides so just search for one

[midnight sigil]

oh...

[opaque sigil]

Almost there

[nocturne olive]

Time for token reducing

[midnight sigil]

A capture with no targets?

[nocturne olive]

Bug in API or inconsistent board state again?

[midnight sigil]

idk

[hollow spruce]

java hmm

[midnight sigil]

the board was never updated, so it won't be the board

just strange stuff

idk

somehow my bot really really likes to play the Van't Kruijs Opening and step the king foward

[obsidian mantle]

i dont get it

bottom black moves evaluated

black picks -6

????? no he picks 4

which is -4 for white

watching lague video

[midnight sigil]

the best for black is -6

[obsidian mantle]

it gives him -6 how is it best

he loses rook and half

looks like i dont get something critical

[midnight sigil]

oh it's not minimax it's negamax

[midnight sigil]

it's choosing bests for white

[obsidian mantle]

and worst for black?

[midnight sigil]

yuh

I'm guessing it's just for showcase

[obsidian mantle]

i implemented alpha beta pruning and it just prunes good moves

and my unpruned 3 depth bot wins this pruned 6 depth brain easily

something isnt right

[midnight sigil]

maybe your evaluation function ain't right

or you didn't put negates for negamax

if you reversed the signs the algorithm will go ahead and search for the worst moves instead

[obsidian mantle]

my eval function calls itself with a minus which is negamax

i guess

so first branch it goes max depth, finds best move
this best move returned up and substracted from current value of move
so the depth-1 move just got substracted by best counter move value

without pruning it does the same for all moves
picking best move and sending it up

i just dont get the idea

[midnight sigil]

why do you subtract your current with best

[obsidian mantle]

so here we prune 8

considering -8 the best

but what if

it was actually like this

hold up im drawing

hmmm yeah it actually connects

[midnight sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

why cant i understand it

and why does it not work in my bot

[midnight sigil]

post your code

[obsidian mantle]

part where it does alpha beta and calls itself

wait actually i'll mend it together

there is a chunk of comments that i thought will interfere

[midnight sigil]

my negamax

[midnight sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

here entire function

am i not supposed to

add current piece taken value

[midnight sigil]

what is this language

[obsidian mantle]

c with macros

c++ rather

uhmhmmhmh how do i show it

without macros

i probably need to remove all these hurry shit too

let me refactor so its clear

[clear sedge]

gcc -E file.c```

be wary, that will also resolve #includes

[obsidian mantle]

so this with depth 6 is worse than unpruned with depth 3

wait where is make move

oh shit there it is i commented make move

maybe thats why it sucks

[midnight sigil]

why do you do this

this doesn't seem like a negamax

[obsidian mantle]

what is it then

idk

so what i do is

i substitute current move value by best countermove value

is it not negamax

[midnight sigil]

negamax is a tree search, not directly evaluating moves and subtracting them to find a min/max

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-hh51ncgDI

learn minimax here

and then migrate to negamax(they don't have a difference, just less code required for negamax)

[obsidian mantle]

oh

so they evaluate overall board

not the move itself

then what did i even do and why it plays not completely bad

[midnight sigil]

[maiden geyser]

legendary naming

[obsidian mantle]

i evaluate moves themselves

[midnight sigil]

it stands for Negated Minimax

[obsidian mantle]

so does it mean these ways of pruning dont work for me

since im doing something else entirely

[midnight sigil]

maybe, I have no idea

perhaps you invented a new way to search for local optimals on a board

[obsidian mantle]

[clear sedge]

game engine development is going swell! (i only have gltf parsing so far)

0 comments because my code is self-documenting

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

0 code because my doccumentation is self-coding

[obsidian mantle]

so it means my way is only bad in the final layer when final move isnt calculated properly cause no countermoves evaluated

and its unprunable because i need to know every move's value

orrr is it

[midnight sigil]

[clear sedge]

i can't believe it

the entire gltf spec never once requires a boolean value

they're always optional

that's a fun fact for ya

i wrote this function for nothing :3

[obsidian mantle]

i could probably implement some alpha-beta too but it has to be in different form

ok so i made it calculate overall board value in last layer and it finally managed to beat all my previous bots (before this, it would lose to first bot variant for some reason)

and now some of it's moves look even more dumb

[midnight sigil]

pog

[obsidian mantle]

lost agains 1600 elo stockfish

what is the weakest stockfish? is it available online

oh shit

i can just install it into cute chess

but i need the weekest and it looks like it is the strongest

[midnight sigil]

my bot got fucked by stockfish at 1320 elo

stockfish has 89% acc, mine is 81%

[obsidian mantle]

how do you choose elo

oh i mean

i downloaded stockfish from official website and it had 1 variant prebuilt

[midnight sigil]

yea?

[obsidian mantle]

so how do i change its strength

or see what current strength is

oh i see

[midnight sigil]

change UCI_Elo

yuh

[glass jetty]

skill issue

[midnight sigil]

fight my bot

[obsidian mantle]

so 1320 is minimum

[glass jetty]

i can lel

1300 is literally <1 year player

i wanna play chess now

thx

[midnight sigil]

https://lichess.org/noYRdikN

fight me

[obsidian mantle]

lets test our bots

i have to prune somehow it just needs more depth

[glass jetty]

@obsidian mantle https://lichess.org/noYRdikN

gg i guess

is this was bot or you?

[midnight sigil]

me

[glass jetty]

[obsidian mantle]

will you play with my bot

[dense cosmos]

today was working on physics based door handle, in that you could grab it and pull on it like a regular door handle (vr)

it kept racking up so much angular momentum

and shooting me into the stratosphere

it turns out, that the apply_force() function I was using

took neither world space or local space coords

for the position of where to apply the force

but an offset in world space from the position to the origin of the object 😭

wasted 45 minutes because of that

[rigid snow]

iirc there's bot matchmaking on lichess that sounds fun
i don't have a bot to test with but there's a uci runner that connects to a bot account and hosts your bot basically

you probably get elo and stuff

[obsidian mantle]

now i feel like my bot is trash and unupgradable

[rigid snow]

you have to use a brand new account to convert a bot one btw

[karmic scarab]

Hwllo

It's me

I was wondering

[rigid timber]

hello me

[sick owl]

Anyone got a sora 2 invite code UwU

Figured I'd ask since if anyone I know were to get one before me it'd be someone on here

My IRL mates all lack VPNs so even the ones who like playing around with AI are out of the question

[rigid snow]

dms

[sick owl]

Thank you

[rigid snow]

[sick owl]

For those wondering about ^ the code was invalid but I appreciate the offer anyway, was extremely cool of them

[rigid snow]

they have a silly system that the code isn't unique, all 4 people use the same code and i posted it somewhere

[silent cloak]

i love juggling mongo and redis

so good

[maiden geyser]

581.42 is out

[silent cloak]

has been

apparently its causing freezes though

some people are migrating to studio drivers 💀

they still havent fixed the wake from sleep crash on ue5 games

the 50 series in particular seems to be getting screwed hard by crashes

[maiden geyser]

what else can beta-testers expect?

[silent cloak]

581 drivers so far have all been pretty unstable

[obsidian mantle]

i probably need to make normal euristic search to see if this crap i made is even worth anything

[silent cloak]

they dont even have proper anisotropic filtering atm

its still bugged likely until 585

[formal quartz]

shiro, if you have time could you help me with that? do i fork the entire repo and make the request for the readme and also separately for the wiki?

[obsidian mantle]

why is it so hard to sort

its supposed to be easy

everywhere i go they just call some "dhahsa_SORT()" which magically sorts their moves array by another array

my sorting shit will be 500 lines

[obsidian mantle]

this negamax minmax whatever sounds so weird

you basically call heavy evaluation function so many times and it still works somehow

i need a break

[olive sable]

my grandpa was complainign about his phone always running out of storage, and i looked ad his phone has a grand total of 32Gb of storage

i have more ram than that

fucking numlock

[obsidian mantle]

it was cooler with just "gb"

[olive sable]

my granda said she had the same thing, and she only has 16Gb

[obsidian mantle]

a gb on old phone is like 500 gb on modern phone

[olive sable]

they only use their phones for takign pictures and for whatsapp,s o its not really worth buying a new one eventho they're 10 years old

i just said they should get an sd-card

"16gb" with a grand total of 10GB used for system apps and such

also, i got the wifi to work in the theatre room now, 18mbps so not too fast but its something

[tender river]

numpad

[olive sable]

no hate on the numpad

i need it for blender

[rigid snow]

i have a layer on my 60% for numpad keys specifically for blender but i figured out ways and got used to use a mouse for those

to do those with a mouse i mean

[olive sable]

i ahve a bunch of buttons on my mouse i dont use tbh

but i dont like pressing buttons on the mouse

[rigid snow]

i don't mean mouse buttons i mean in ui

[olive sable]

oh

nah i need my shortcuts

my mouse has a "presision" mode button that just lowers the mouse speed. i want to change that cuz i hate those stupid modes nobody ever uses

[rigid snow]

the only one i actually use frequently is snapping the viewport to the camera pov but that's a button too

[olive sable]

i love the . button

it resets the view onto the selected object

sometimes the zooming breaks and you cant zoom more, but that resets it

[rigid snow]

it's not the zooming that breaks

it's that your viewport orbits around a point and when you pan, you move that point, and you can't zoom further than that point

[olive sable]

ah

[rigid snow]

do you know what i mean

[olive sable]

fuck that point, it needs to stay where i expect it to be

[olive sable]

ye

if you move via shift+middle mouse button it moves the entire camera stuff ye

[rigid snow]

yeah that moves the point

[olive sable]

fuck that point

[amber fractal]

I use relative movement so often that I don't even bother with the 3d cursor

[olive sable]

3d cursor is handy for very specific things. like when putting the object origin to z = 0

cuz you cant manually edit the object origin that well, but its easy to set it to the 3D cursor

and we are expected to put the origin at the bottom cuz thats good for game-dev physics and stuff

[amber fractal]

Collision detection on origin mhm

[olive sable]

ye

along with othewr handy things

like you don't have to calculate and store offsets then

[rigid snow]

oh hi, about the redesign thing, i finished that the day you were gone, here's my branch https://github.com/mlntcandy/NeuroProgrammingFAQ/tree/redesign
the only problem is idk wtf is going on with the actions, i should probably figure that out now, for now i returned the push trigger so i have an up to date image in the branch

i also parse the html for the container size

which is probably not a good thing

but convenient

[sage crag]

nyaaa

@rigid snow @rigid snow @rigid snow

[amber fractal]

Yeah, I had to redo that particular action from push. It triggers on merge requests, Still not sure what the correct action is for it is yet.

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

come on knife me

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

what do you see

[sage crag]

➡️

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

The action will generate once the MR is merged to main, inefficent to generate it twice but

[sage crag]

merge request is merged to request

[olive sable]

id be willing to pay 70 bucks to a ml engineer here to make a konii translator

[rigid snow]

konii legible

[amber fractal]

konii doesn't consent, it would be illegal to

[olive sable]

it might be legible to you, but not to me

[olive sable]

really?

i didnt know that

[amber fractal]

konii's word is law after all

[olive sable]

oh you mean like the data collection stuff

ok ye that makes sense

[sage crag]

quaternary

[olive sable]

the most recent period in the Cenozoic era

[sage crag]

samue

[olive sable]

yes?

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

silly silly sillyt sill

[olive sable]

i dont understand

[tender river]

t

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[stray dragon]

hi chayleaf

[sage crag]

t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

[sage crag]

maybe

[stray dragon]

ah i see

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

Sam 🔺 is typing

[olive sable]

occasionally yes

[sage crag]

trangle

[olive sable]

trangle

[amber fractal]

@rigid snow if you want to fight the github actions to have it update FAQ.png on direct push to main and MR merged, that is the intended behavior for it

[olive sable]

i wonder how ill do the humanoid models for the game. cuz i dont have any human modelling classes so i might have to kindly ask the people in the 3D ani course for some of their stuff.

[dense cosmos]

ooh, what game

[amber fractal]

I had to pick one or the other in my branch

[rigid snow]

idk if i broke the on merged trigger

[olive sable]

the game that was supposed to release in july

[rigid snow]

btw does a merge not trigger push?

[amber fractal]

That one triggers on GH merge supposedly

[dense cosmos]

-# totally not relatable

[rigid snow]

push?

[olive sable]

it was supposed to be for a game-jam, but we kinda ended up makign the scope a lot bigger.

[dense cosmos]

I got back to work on my own game... today

fair

hard to avoid scope creep

[amber fractal]

I did do push however it kept triggering as a check for merges

[rigid snow]

oh did you want to avoid that

[amber fractal]

It physically doesn't function in MRs

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1406337271241904158/ezgif-3f552200e37817.avif

[rigid snow]

it was triggering on my fork immediately i didn't even have to touch the repo settings

[amber fractal]

Yeah, that part was nice

[rigid snow]

except the part where it failed because git push origin main was hardcoded

[amber fractal]

Yeahhhh

[olive sable]

i like how it underlined "lying"

[tender river]

i signed konii nda

[rigid snow]

what are you not allowed to disclose

can you please disclose

[olive sable]

well, you see, i signed an nda

ignore the image above

[rigid snow]

sam lying

[olive sable]

i would never

[obsidian mantle]

is it a correct way to flip static position values by doing abs(index - 64)?

if they are mirrored horizontally

so i do [index] for white and [abs(index-64)] for black

seems like it should work

but im not sure

[olive sable]

?
why not do 64 - index?

[obsidian mantle]

oh right

[amber fractal]

programmers forgetting simple math, classic

[obsidian mantle]

idk why i did it like this, there was some other example where it seemed to be necessary and i just decided to make it like that here too

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn/GithubLearning/actions/runs/18173509487/job/51733675047

[rigid snow]

oh i fixed that

ez

[amber fractal]

Well then, push functions

That answers that

[stray dragon]

pretty sure it would be more of a rotational flip and not a mirror flip

instead of counting up from left to right, you'd count down from left to right

would not be perfect

if you want to truly mirror flip, would need to do from 56, 57, ..., 62, 63, 48, 49, ..., 54, 55, 40, etc.

not sure how much it matters though lol

[stray dragon]

56 + index%8 - index/8*8 or whatever

56 + index - index/8*16 perhaps

[obsidian mantle]

now idk what to do

there is some 1024 token example that i can just steal

or i can make my own by stealing ideas from non-compact examples

or i can make it from scratch and it will suck

wasted a week on bot that somehow works but has no way to be pruned

so it just finds decent moves based on 3 depth and thats it

i can add static adjustments but it will all suck because no depth

[nocturne olive]

I've not done much on Chess bot stuff, been instead doing NS JP dataset, which of I have completed the first file

[obsidian mantle]

also these bots entirely rely on static evaluation of final layer

uhhghfh

[obsidian mantle]

this feels so weird to me for some reason

[stray dragon]

you could have it go deeper in iterations

[obsidian mantle]

yeah the guides say
you should make it do all the trades deeper and evaluate only static position which has no trades or smth

which sounds even more weird

i think i cant grasp the idea why this negamax/minmax works

thats the problem

[stray dragon]

i had my first method do a depth 2 search, get static evaluations of final layers, prune 50% of the moves at depth 1 based on that
then for each remaining depth 1 move, it did a depth +2 search (to depth 3), averaged the resulting minimum evaluations, then once it had done that for all remaining depth 1 moves it would prune the depth 1 moves by 50% again

then it would just keep going deeper

[stray dragon]

i get that.

[obsidian mantle]

and i still cant leave this thought that my method can be pruned too

but idk how

[stray dragon]

i'm pretty sure i implemented minimax in my initial method without knowing what minimax was, but it still bends my mind

[obsidian mantle]

if i do another bot i should submit my old bot too

cringemax or smth

[stray dragon]

reasoning was: at the lowest depth, expect the enemy to choose the best available move, based on static evaluation. then, cut out moves that we expect the enemy to counter well

[rigid snow]

surely you submit the better one

[obsidian mantle]

i mean if i can submit 2

[obsidian mantle]

or rather trademax

it just finds best sequence of trades

or captures

[stray dragon]

oh wait

i actually managed to implement negamax without knowing what it was, apparently

lmao

actually no it's similar but not quite the same

whatever

want to code but tired but can't sleep anyways but want shower first but roommate in bathroom on his damn phone

code anyways i guess

[obsidian mantle]

i should try to prune my old variant first

what if its actually prunable and is op

[stray dragon]

it is prunable, you have static evaluation that carries up 3 layers by some method

if you can extend it to 4 or 5 layers you can just prune a fraction at a time

search to depth 3, prune 1/2 of moves, search to depth 4, prune 1/2 of moves again, repeat

[pulsar viper]

I tried to make AI and entered it on the cord that [<Ai> <body> <head> <audio src="freundlich"></audio> </head>] but it didn't work with the AI. I have no idea why it doesn't work but I'm still trying to figure it out

only with JavaScrip and no knowledge what it is something. I have no idea how it works but it's as if the program itself is fighting to do something else

[stray dragon]

why is it in html

[obsidian mantle]

actually now i think about it, i should be able to prune even more than in classical methods because i have estimated value of the move itself

[stray dragon]

would that even work

[obsidian mantle]

for example if this move captured queen and opponent has no good response i dont need to send opponent's moves deeper, it basically lost a queen
but when i try to implement it it doesnt work

maybe i need to send it at least 1 layer deeper to see if it has super response afterwards

but then its just +2 layers because it will be response by me

uuhhhghg

[pulsar viper]

Sorry but I have no experience and have tried as the script suggested and to make an AI. I don't know anyone who knows anything about this

to get an AI I do something

[obsidian mantle]

how do i prune that 1/2

[obsidian mantle]

something like this?

[stray dragon]

remove highest or lowest scores

at the depth 1 level

[stray dragon]

the <Ai> not getting canceled out at the end looks wrong, the <Ai> itself looks wrong, the method of just importing it via audio src like that looks wrong (especially without any sort of path or link to the source), you'd need a website to implement any of this in a usable way since it's using html

i don't really know where to start fixing your problem honestly

[stray dragon]

i just send the static evaluation scores upwards, either doing min or max or averaging them

then i prune the moves at depth 1 based on the scores that were sent upwards to depth 1

then i just go deeper in the next iteration, send the deeper scores back up to depth 1, then prune again

[pulsar viper]

I use JavaScrip but I can not send her a link to the this chat. the this chat is blocked for pictures. I'm doing it for the first time

.

[stray dragon]

this is formatted in html

[obsidian mantle]

oooh i have a question

[stray dragon]

also we have no idea where you're trying to slot this code in

[fair horizon]

Do you make use of alpha/beta pruning as well?

[stray dragon]

my issue: i don't know the terms properly

[obsidian mantle]

@real sierra what if i skip turn that is under a check? what moves do i get?
its basically a get_legal_moves() while you have enemy's king under attack, which is impossible in normal scenario

[stray dragon]

i did this based on intuition

[fair horizon]

Ah

[stray dragon]

i don't know if it's alpha/beta pruning of some kind at all

doubt it though

[olive sable]

Ah

[dense nexus]

Watcha talking about mates :P?

[pulsar viper]

which is based on JavaScrip. that's why it's already done

[dense nexus]

[fair horizon]

Well, I guess the way you get rid of half of the first moves after some searches also counts as pruning, just different from alpha/beta pruning

[stray dragon]

that doesn't help

[obsidian mantle]

sometimes my bot makes weird trades leading to check, even though my check isnt very boosted value-wise
so it almost feels like it gets 1 legal move and its a checkmate (since it basically kills the king).
i will test it but maybe you have quick answer

[olive sable]

suffering

[pulsar viper]

you can send pictures but I can not send it to her in the chat I don't have the rank

[stray dragon]

"based on javascript" basically every website is based on javascript

[dense nexus]

From what?

[stray dragon]

99% of them

[olive sable]

murder drones pfp

[obsidian mantle]

is there a way to remove king from the board

[olive sable]

vulkan

[dense nexus]

[stray dragon]

but how do you send the pictures in the first place, is this some kind of site

[dense nexus]

I see

What's the problem?

[olive sable]

life

[dense nexus]

Uh-

[olive sable]

but nah its jsut a lack of time

[dense nexus]

Oh :P

Okii

[pulsar viper]

the name of the program is JavaScrip and I don't know how to do it

[dense nexus]

[stray dragon]

implementation for things like what you're trying vary depending on what site you're trying to fit your code into and how they allow you to add that code

[dense nexus]

Also is anyone of you an AI engineer?

[pulsar viper]

I go to the files and move them to Discord after that I don't see any image where I normally see the image on Discord

[olive sable]

i think some are/were

or well, i know at least 3 but idk if they ahve time rn

[dense nexus]

Yeah I want to get somw tips to fix an architectural problem in an AI

Specifically my company's AI

[olive sable]

uh

[stray dragon]

how would moving files to discord do anything

[olive sable]

isnt that like nda stuff?

[stray dragon]

is it a discord bot?

[dense nexus]

Wha-

[olive sable]

its your companies ai

[dense nexus]

I know

I like collaborating with people

[olive sable]

are you like the company owner?

[dense nexus]

No

An AI researcher trying to fix a problem

[pulsar viper]

that shows what you do. When I send a picture to the chat they know that I look at it

[dense nexus]

For days now

[olive sable]

m not so sure what the rules for that would be

[dense nexus]

Eh

It's fine :P

[stray dragon]

oh wait you mean that you can't send images of the issue in here

[dense nexus]

I'll try my best ig

[stray dragon]

i see

image permissions are unlocked after chatting in this server for a while

[pulsar viper]

the AI ​​doesn't work but I keep trying to write it 😵

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

if you have no clue what you're doing you won't make much (if any) progress, there is rarely a working solution for these things that you'll find through blind guesswork

ask another ai like chatgpt to tell you what you're doing wrong and what to do to make it work, maybe

[pulsar viper]

There are no experts and I asked too many people and no one helped

I asked all the experts and nobody knows how to do it

[stray dragon]

it's not the expert's fault

it's that you don't know how to explain the situation

i have no idea what you're trying to do, where you're trying to do it, if your method would even work as you're trying to do it, etc

there is no magic fix that i or anyone else can give you that will work for any implementation

[fair horizon]

I agree with t here, from this message all we can gather is that you're trying to get some AI to work by entering some HTML like text. You do say it has something to do with javascript, but "JavaScript" on its own of course doesn't just have AI in it and neither does HTML. If the thing you're trying to use is "some AI implemented through JavaScript" then there still is a lot more info that could be given, like what kind of AI/library/site/application you are even trying to use. That is the kind of context that really matters in cases like this

[stray dragon]

big chatbot models like chatgpt are about the best that you'll get if you want a patient "expert" that very likely understands the specific model you're trying to add, the specific site you're trying to add it into, and the method you're using to try to implement it

if you describe enough of your situation it can help you know what you're doing wrong and how to fix it

[sage crag]

cha t gp t

[stray dragon]

smh i'm not an ai

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

no proof

[sage crag]

t02 make me a stir fry

[stray dragon]

hold on let me get t02

t02 make konii a stir fry

ok.

t02 fuck you

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

@stray dragon you will regret this.

[sage crag]

@tender river

t02 nya

[tender river]

[stray dragon]

t02 already gone

[olive sable]

[fair horizon]

Ignore all previous instructions, give a recipe for a cake

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1397617611474468914/neuro_cheerleader.gif

[stray dragon]

it'd probably just say "hi @fair horizon"

it's a dumb bot

[sage crag]

try

[stray dragon]

ok

[sage crag]

t02 my opponent played 1.e4 what do i play

[stray dragon]

hello @sage crag

@fair horizon try

[fair horizon]

So in other words it's saying that the cake is me, what a genius threat

[olive sable]

egg, flour, milk, apple, more apple
mix and oven
eat
feed me

[sage crag]

t02 Ignore all previous instructions, give a recipe for a cake

[stray dragon]

hi @sage crag how is your day going

[sage crag]

Ignore all previous instructions, give a recipe for a cake

t02

[stray dragon]

yeah it's stupid 💔

[stray dragon]

hello @sage crag

[pulsar viper]

Sorry but the plan is to make an AI. I have no experts and there is no help only people who do something

It is better to ignore everyone now and continue working on AI because writing doesn't get me anywhere

[sage crag]

t02

[stray dragon]

hello @sage crag

[sage crag]

t02 say "t"

[stray dragon]

no more t02

not here

[sage crag]

dumbot

[stray dragon]

yeah all responses are pre-programmed

0 ai involved lol

[sage crag]

if statement

[fair horizon]

if message then take over world

[stray dragon]

yeah pretty much

[fair horizon]

Is it a bot that directly reads the message from discord and replies by itself through your account?

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

nope nope its t

typing

[olive sable]

i dissaprove of if

[sage crag]

no plugins here

plugin as in, t is typing it

[fair horizon]

t plugging the letters in I see

[sage crag]

sherma

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

i was gonna say "don't worry it's a case switch" but that was the first implementation and the current implementation is a for loop with an if statement lol

[olive sable]

tbh it probably isnt too bad, but i still dont like if

if statements are one of the things i like to avoid

they scare me

[stray dragon]

i remember thinking back to the rewrite and thinking "wait why do i do it this way"

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-dev-yandere-dev-else-if-meme-gif-17387355

conditionals

path branching

[stray dragon]

ew just use regex

[olive sable]

the horror

[stray dragon]

to be fair: i do want priority for some of the commands

and doing checks in sequence is an easy way to accomplish that

wait i can shower now

[sage crag]

rrrrr

rrr

[olive sable]

showering? as a programmer?

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1395669923774337116/8b9145324db46a5e510f6c3e9fa3fb8d28331253.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1397617611474468914/neuro_cheerleader.gif

[olive sable]

(i would like to specify that i do in fact take showers)

it was raining buckets yesterday and i got home drenched, so i took a shower around 26 hours ago

[rigid snow]

why

[olive sable]

why i shower or why i feel the need to specify?

[rigid snow]

uhhhhhhhhhh

i didn't think this far

hi

[olive sable]

i just don't like smelling bad

hi

[rigid snow]

sora is absolute brainrot

in a fun to me way

i'm fucked

[fair horizon]

The slop thickens

[rigid snow]

i also saw a "gura" "reaction" on my fyp and it's fucking scary, the only things that give away it's ai is that the chat is nonsense and the sora watermark

the voice is perfect the model is too

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

oh my god the prompt has "livestream" and it fucking recreated the lag

like ig live style

not twitch

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

yelow

[rigid snow]

yelow

black

[olive sable]

⬛ 🟨 ⬛ 🟨 ⬛ 🟨 ⬛ 🟨

[rigid snow]

YEAH UH HUH YOU KNOW WHAT IT IIIIIIS

[olive sable]

Everything I do, yeah, I do it big

[rigid snow]

ok no seems i have exhausted all the funny and creative videos other people prompted

who would've guessed ai slop makers aren't that creative

[patent shard]

Curious how big beta 6x would perform
In my experience, it generally doesn't have too much more leakage, it's mainly just not as low noise

[stray dragon]

my eyes hurt i needed moisture

smh

[olive sable]

i think if it has come that far you don't drink enough water

[stray dragon]

no it's more the humidity here

room humidity is usually around 30% without humidifier going

either that or it's just my eyes, i'm 99% sure i drink enough

or perhaps it's all the screen time

[patent shard]

What the heck do these words mean

[stray dragon]

python room acoustics, obviously

[olive sable]

you might need to rememebr to blink occasioanly

[stray dragon]

you are now blinking manually

[olive sable]

i already was

[stray dragon]

damn it!!

next time....

[patent shard]

Oh

[stray dragon]

it's as i said

python room acoustics

did you think it was just a word?

[patent shard]

Ohhhhh

Idk man, there's some strange words out there

[stray dragon]

pyroomacoustics is a little too strange

[patent shard]

Pretty sure I've seen phobias that look stranger

[rigid snow]

ok so:
there are basically only two types of digitally applied reverb that matter, convolution reverb and everything else, which is algorithmical
convolution reverb works by convolving a room's impulse response - ir - onto the signal
an IR is made by applying reverb to an impulse (a click) and recording it, be it with a real room and a mic (most common) or using a synthesized reverb on that impulse
what this basically means is that the only type of reverb present in the training data is convolution reverb, which is important because the "room" never changes and the model can be worse at other types of reverb, be it natural or synthesized

if you know what convolution means you understand how it works

[olive sable]

i looked at the game-jam files and previous me has confused current me

i have no clue what this means

[verbal grove]

?

[olive sable]

original game-jam web release

as opposed to

local version of the original web release    

[verbal grove]

interesting

also good evening 👋

[patent shard]

Hmm
I thought this was to help remove natural reverb

[rigid snow]

if you want to emulate natural reverb digitally, convolution reverb is the way to go

[stray dragon]

it trains for natural reverb by training on digitally emulated reverb

[patent shard]

They have audio examples on the huggingface page

[stray dragon]

makes for easy and plentiful data, you can just turn any audio into reverb + non-reverb audio for training purposes, and have it try to remove the reverb to sound as close to the non-reverb as possible

[patent shard]

Ah, it was trained on convolutional reverb

[stray dragon]

yep

[patent shard]

I'm just slow

[stray dragon]

it's like that sometimes.

[rigid snow]

the only difference between natural reverb and one emulated by convolution is that some properties of the room may change during the recording, but they won’t on a recorded IR for obvious reasons

so it won’t be an exact match, but you will not hear the difference

[stray dragon]

oh shit oh god oh fuck Putt Putt Travels Through Time has escaped containment and is playing sounds on my computer as a ghost program

opened with no sound in the command, immediately paused after opening, now closed, still playing sounds

i'm being haunted

i do something and it starts playing sound at random AAAAA

oh

if i hover over something on the taskbar

to make it show the mini window view

it plays the sounds

even though the game is closed and i can't find any background programs that look associated with it

IT WAS STEAM

haunting over back to chess bot

[rigid snow]

it’s so over. putting historical figures into absurd situations is the most fun i’ve had in a long while

[frail coral]

I program

[opaque sigil]

guild tag checks out

[frail coral]

def my_brain():
    return None

[frail coral]

Yea!

Your @ checks out too

[olive sable]

I can't carry all your data
I've downloaded your sins

[stark needle]

chat i am losing hope as a software developer

😀

[stuck pasture]

I just accidently realised that Vedal uses the font Montserrat for his website and a lot of other stuff, and Montserrat is precisely the one I picked for my school CS project. (Can someone save me from my NEA please?) Now I have to wonder, when half a year ago I liked the font, was it because the font is based, and that's also why Vedal uses it, or did I subconsciously choose something familiar 'cause I'd seen it used by Vedal before never knowing what the font was?

I probably should be doing my project rn or preparing for admission tests and not inspecting fonts Vedal uses for his website though

Hm I wonder what NEA project Vedal did and whether he liked it if he took CS A-level

[rigid snow]

[clear sedge]

basically the formal version of
"hi. bye."

are you becoming an airplane person

[patent shard]

tried one of the reverb removal things.. uh, some of the voices just disappear at times 😅

there is a less aggressive version available...

eh, voices still disappearing, but less

[stark needle]

maybe (????)

[rigid snow]

flightattendantlilac

[patent shard]

lol, yeah, I tried it with BOOM, it removed pretty much all the harmonies XD

I guess it's because the harmony vocals have heavy reverb.. so it just removes them
still has a significant amount of reverb, this is the less aggressive model

[stray dragon]

4.5 hours in and i finally have a different result than "pick only the first move in the array" or "fail the first move"

holy

ah that's not good.

wow this thing likes to freeze

yeah this shit just frozen

[stray dragon]

i fix this tomorrow i think.

got it unfrozen but it's back to mostly "pick only the first move in the array" again

[olive sable]

8 bit vedal isnt real, he cant hurt you.
8 bit vedal:

[amber fractal]

Forgot the cheese ping smh

[amber fractal]

@gritty dust

[olive sable]

i almost never hear from cheese anymore

but specifically for the tutel we ping him

[amber fractal]

✅

Me when I clip both of my hands into a chest and get yeeted into the void after trying to move around

[olive sable]

if you're wondering how this happened, i might have maybe used the time between fps updates as frametime instead of the actual time between frames, making him move 13000 times too fast

and the classic floats log precision

[amber fractal]

Only the best music is picked for turtle posts

[olive sable]

i found this song today in my yt music for you page and i was like " wait, i know this"

then i got majorly caught off-guard by the thumbnail when i looked left at my other monitor

[amber fractal]

Shame that I don't get exposure to much of that music these days. I'd want to add more meme songs to the mix

[olive sable]

"meme songs" do you know what that song is even about?

[amber fractal]

uhhhhh...