programming

[olive sable]

im not sure yet

logarithmus naturalis apparently

[opaque sigil]

ok nerd

[olive sable]

i googled it

google is the nerd

[olive sable]

ill forget this in 10 min

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

tost

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

0x555f6aa26519

[opaque sigil]

Idk how to interpret that image

[olive sable]

ye me neither

its not ascii tho

i checked

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

why not upload the image as an embed lmao

[amber fractal]

So I can't see it

icons don't embed due to being a collection

[olive sable]

here

this was in the ico

[amber fractal]

:evilsocute:

[opaque sigil]

Oh I just assumed it was the same image as above

[amber fractal]

@sage crag what happened to the 2.0.0 version that needed a minor patch instantly?

[olive sable]

dead

[amber fractal]

[sage crag]

harvested

[olive sable]

i made this in class monday cuz we need to learn C# and monogame

this wasnt what we were supposed to make, but i did it anyways

[amber fractal]

mhm I see, spare parts

[olive sable]

was very reminiscent of the python days where i drew lines with pygame

[amber fractal]

Explosion.png after 10 seconds

[olive sable]

i posted that in the college discord and someone asked if it was "real 3D or an illusion" and a teacher suddenly popped in to laugh at that person

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

That is very fair

[sage crag]

real 2d or illusion

[jovial dew]

My AI’s filter isn’t filtering.

[sage crag]

ye 2d person show on their 1d screen to their 2d friend

2d real or illusion

all 3d illusion dumb

vision illusion

[olive sable]

all 3D is just 2D + algorithm magic, even irl we only really see in 2D

[sage crag]

"see 2d"

[olive sable]

ye

thats what i said

[amber fractal]

we see 2d twice mhm

[olive sable]

stereoscopic 2D

[sage crag]

dimensionality doesnt exist in perception

[olive sable]

wdym?

[glass flower]

3d is just 2d²

[sage crag]

eye array of sensors uses more information than just stereoscopic projection

[placid parcel]

hmmm cool i don't know shit about programming :D

[sage crag]

but also array of sensors not flat to begin with

not 2d

just reprojected

[sage crag]

specifically we also use depth via focus

depth channel there its just packed data inside the 2d image

[amber fractal]

Sam be like:
I work on game engine and show demos of high fps
Random basic shape

[rigid snow]

it not that deep it just quirky and fun

[olive sable]

3d = 2d^2
2d^2 - 3d = 0
d(2d-3) = 0
d = 0 or 2d-3 = 0
d = 0 or d = 3/2

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

it do be like that

actual game(s) i make have less interaction than the fuckign red triangle

[rigid snow]

when triangle 2 the electric boogaloo

[amber fractal]

Once RTX is implmented (real)

[olive sable]

when it stops being a cpu clock competition

also im mostly working on making the actual game now, not fucking around with vulakn

[rigid snow]

do everything on gpu

[olive sable]

no

i would get hanged

[rigid snow]

write gpu os

[olive sable]

no

i would be less sane than i already am just making that work

[glass flower]

there are plenty of games that do everything on the gpu unless you also mean like basic game logic

[olive sable]

progress is slower than i want tho

[amber fractal]

[rigid snow]

triangle game logic

[amber fractal]

I need to get working on my side

[olive sable]

i thought the whole point was also the game logic ye

[glass flower]

honestly could do with compute shaders

[olive sable]

cuz rendering stuff and expensive parallel simulation stuff should ofcourse be done on the gpu

thats not debatable

[glass flower]

iirc this is basically done 90% on the gpu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R5WFZk86kE

[olive sable]

yes, but bad. dont do that

[glass flower]

wdym bad. its fast therefore good

[olive sable]

its fast in the same way jumping off a cliff is fast

[rigid snow]

why would you hide youtube embed im sitting here like a dumbass waiting for it to show up

[glass flower]

sorry habit

[sage crag]

sam cant do more on the gpu

the reason this is doing more on the gpu is that there is more to do

triangle is literally simplest thing

all gpu is doing is rendering a vertex shader or something, like the easiest thing

[olive sable]

no, not triangle. there is an actual game that has turned into a tech demo for my (lack of) vulkan ability.
it was supposed to release in july

[sage crag]

the overhead is on the cpu pushing the draw commands to the gpu

[glass flower]

i wish vulkan wasn't giga complicated. i would have made a voxel game with it already. instead im making my voxel game in godot

[rigid snow]

gpu os

[olive sable]

skill issue

[sage crag]

ye bad idea

no I/O

[olive sable]

yep

[glass flower]

i tried it in c++... it made me hate c++

[sage crag]

samuel van manuel

[rigid snow]

io bad anyway block too much

[olive sable]

that is the best way ive seen someone fuck up my name so far

[rigid snow]

long

[glass flower]

wait.... now that i can actually write rust.. maybe i should make a new game engine with bevy

[sage crag]

python programmer turned c++ programmer

[rigid snow]

no need io kill all io

murder

[sage crag]

io point of OS

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

let's give a gpu IO, and maybe some ports

and lets call it

riscv cluster

[rigid snow]

gpu

[olive sable]

the only "game" you're able to make the runs completely on the gpu would have to have a pre-programmed starting state, or it uses an rng on the gpu to make the starting state

so not too interesting

[sage crag]

you are a rare pattern

[rigid snow]

what mean

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

she means that you're neurodivirgent

[rigid snow]

counter strike skin rare pattern

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

661 blue gem $1m

[olive sable]

me when i dont care about colours in a shooting game

[amber fractal]

Click the buttons

[sage crag]

csgo not shooting game

csgo stock market game with shooter attached

[rigid snow]

gambling game

[rigid snow]

is that supposed to be rare here

[sage crag]

appreciation post appreciation post

[olive sable]

Capital Stocks & Growth Opportunities

CSGO

[rigid snow]

it’s Capital Stocks 2 now

[olive sable]

Currency Swaps & Gains Optimization

Commodity Speculation & Global Outlook

ok i ran out of ideas

[rigid snow]

definitely speculation 100%

that is what cs skin market is

[amber fractal]

Currency Swapped & Gains Ousted

[rigid snow]

what is my inventory

actual speculation

[olive sable]

bro actually plays csgo

[rigid snow]

i am RUSSIAN ok

[olive sable]

you are?

damn, okay

[rigid snow]

fym

you don’t know?

[olive sable]

i dont know a lot of things

there is more that i dont know than stuff i know

[rigid snow]

no you just forgor

there is 0 way you shouldn’t know

[olive sable]

i dont seem to remember forgetting that

[rigid snow]

i remember mentioning that to you

[olive sable]

never got entered into my mental archive i guess

i know where some people live, but its not like i actually care that much

[amber fractal]

Cursed with knowledge mhm

[olive sable]

says iggly

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

10272 W Ford Avenue

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

thats a fake location btw

somewher ein chicago idk

apparently hollywood is in chicago, i didnt know

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

wait it isnt

wait

[rigid snow]

hollywood in la

[olive sable]

i know its in cali, then what was named hollywood in chicago?

[amber fractal]

hollywood is overrated, place needs to be power washed before a film

[rigid snow]

paris tx and st. petersburg fl immediately come to mind

america very creative

[olive sable]

i found a "Sam's Club"

i didnt know i had a club

[amber fractal]

A very minor chain of stores

Forget if I've been there tbh

[amber fractal]

I am stupid

I need to learn to fact check first

[rigid snow]

as if chicago is any tiniest bit better

i not american know chicago not good place

[olive sable]

they have a city named lisbon in illiinois

[rigid snow]

ye ye

[rigid snow]

.

[amber fractal]

Take your pick

[olive sable]

none on alaska smh

[amber fractal]

None on Oregon or Washington either :SMH:
(The two above cali)

[olive sable]

nobody cares about those

lowest tier states in the usa

[amber fractal]

Also none on rhode island (also no one cares )

[olive sable]

even wyoming has one of my clubs

[rigid snow]

shut up and listen, us expert is speaking 🗣️

[amber fractal]

If I had travel experience to most of the states maybe

[olive sable]

as someone who has never been to the usa, my opinions are sound and logical

ah yes

[amber fractal]

I'd mostly be judging based off of the climate and "progressive" laws

[olive sable]

ah

i dont knw any of the laws so its mostly vibes based

[amber fractal]

Not here

as can be considered political

[olive sable]

fair enough

[olive sable]

found it

hollywood is indeed in chicago

[amber fractal]

I would not want to try that trolley, people have no respect

[olive sable]

#programming

[amber fractal]

That is where I leave that comment

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[olive sable]

aigth

central player character that the camera rotates around

moves along with player

works in both opengl and vulkan now

imma sleep

[lament igloo]

https://snn.neuros.click/news/swarmnn-alpha-testing-is-now-open-17592866364.html

Plz criticise my bad dev decisions

[gritty dust]

peak

[midnight sigil]

that's crazy

news for swarm

[wide flicker]

This doesn't look terrible actually, I'm actually kinda hype? the Latest tab is largely broken (it has no entries (even with tags selected) and none of the hyperlinks except for Home work). Also, on login, my dashboard says "Admin", I feel like that probably isn't intended. I haven't done any extensive testing but like, this is pretty cool

[wide flicker]

@lament igloo Okay, after spending an hour on the site, I have more feedback:

• Having to "log in" every time I want to access the dashboard feels unintuitive; a button to access it when logged in would be wonderful. although that's easy for me to say as somebody who has never coded a website
• Settings do not save. This might simply be a skill issue on my part, but the website opens a dialogue every time I press "Save settings" with "Failed to save settings".
• Submitted articles show up under "My Articles" with a "PENDING" tag, but not the actual "Pending" tab. Additionally, submitted articles dont have a preview button.
  Other than that (and my previous message), I really didn't encounter any errors or poor optimization. I wrote a testing article with my findings; I imagine, since it is submitted for review, that you are able to view it as a reviewer, so please take a moment to leaf through. And let me know if there's anything specific you would like thrown at this thing.
  also i dont care one way or the other if it does or doesnt get published, my feelings wont be hurt if it isnt and i wont be embarrassed if it is

I should note that I deliberately left out the preview page

On actually reading the privacy policy, the reason I couldn't edit my profile is probably because technically I don't have a profile until an article I write gets published isnt it

[jagged turtle]

getting W H 'd

[lament igloo]

• after logging in, login page should redirect you to admin page automatically cus of check.js
• that one's under construction , ill fix that soon
• pending tab is only for admins though, ill look into the preview button issue though

[lament igloo]

Yea, this was to prevent useless profile creation

All profiles must have 1 article on them whether pending or approved

[wide flicker]

On login, I am redirected to the admin page automatically; I just have to hit the log in button every time I want to access the dashboard (or paste the /admin link), there's no other button for it, is what I was trying to say

[wide flicker]

Out of my own curiosity, can articles get declined? or are they just stuck in pending limbo for eternity?

[lilac lantern]

Page footer is different between Home and Latest pages.
Also the "Live" button on the Latest page doesn't work.

[lament igloo]

I neglected the latest page far too much 😭
Will be fixed in a later update

[lament igloo]

They can get declined
Although, i didnt test this yet.

[lilac lantern]

Oh the footer links on latest don't work either lol

Also, not a bug per se, but the privacy policy has a gmail email while the contact page has swarmnn.com emails

oh swarmnn.com doesn't exist

[wide flicker]

oh damn I didnt even notice that

[lilac lantern]

(jk)

what a steal

i'm actually surprised a three letter .com domain is available

[olive sable]

Morning

[glad path]

thats so cheap frfr

oh wait

OH WAIT

THAT'S A COMMA

[lilac lantern]

[olive sable]

I look outside and there's just nothing but fog

Silent hill ahh day

[wide flicker]

Oh, @lament igloo, I also found that the Live button doesn't work on the Contact and Privacy pages

thank you for the opportunity to tell you everything wrong with your creation /lh, im sealing myself into mhwilds now

[summer snow]

This is the future of neuro minecraft streams https://x.com/danijarh/status/1973072288351396320

Danijar Hafner (@danijarh)

Excited to introduce Dreamer 4, an agent that learns to solve complex control tasks entirely inside of its scalable world model! 🌎🤖

Dreamer 4 pushes the frontier of world model accuracy, speed, and learning complex tasks from offline datasets.

co-led with @wilson1yan

X · Sep 30, 2025, 5:07 PM

[rigid snow]

sora 2 is somehow way better than what i got from the reveal livestream

i think they undersold it

[cobalt sigil]

saw this in an art museum, anyone knows what it means

[unkempt citrus]

My guess it means the museum has shit IT securityt

[cobalt sigil]

it's an art I suppose

[summer snow]

i mean, going by the title and general code, it's a blockchain program that stores weather data? Zero clue how this relates to art in any way

[cobalt sigil]

you are right I think

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

it kinda does make sense for reasons i am not going to discuss here

[cobalt sigil]

yea

but very interesting

pls activate windows

[dry charm]

I need some help. Does anyone use the AI Integration in Jetbrains products? Ollama local models specifically

Interestingly ollama run works great, responds instantly, but the AI Integration is VERY slow

like it times out slow

and I could not find anything online (though I assume skill issue)

[summer snow]

i used local ollama only a few times, and it was with the continue extension on vscode. (pretty sure jetbrains has it too) I didn't see much of a difference there

anthropic released another great new paper. I feel like it's very useful to creating and understanding Neuro-like AI agents (and probably has the easiest graph that explains her inner workings in terms of how the context is fed to the main LLM) https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/effective-context-engineering-for-ai-agents

like, this is a pretty neat and useful visualization

[dry charm]

Jetbrains has their own impl for this so I find it very strange why it fails

[summer snow]

you could technically use a cli AI assistant inside the console, but that's probably not the best solution

[dry charm]

Yeah, I mainly want to see the unit test creation capabilities and the auto file inclusion is very nice

and the inline autocomplete would be great with local model

[nocturne olive]

Silly

I simply don't use LLMs in my code editors

No need to waste my 3090 on AI code

[hard raptor]

Guhnome with guhnome terminal in light mode

[dry charm]

I just want to test the unit test writing capability

also might as well use my 9060xt

:\

[maiden geyser]

login button placement is holy UX

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[nocturne olive]

I utilize my 3090 by NeuroSynth

[dry charm]

I would rather use mine for NeuroSynth as well, but that won't help me create unit tests, which I fucking hate creating :D

[nocturne olive]

Who even needs unit tests? Never used them

[dry charm]

Me who has a software in production and do not want to break things

I might have found the problem

I suspect that it's running ollama in flatpak which has no GPU access

so time to switch back to nix built IDEA instead of flatpak

[nocturne olive]

FlatPak kinda sucs from my experience

[nocturne olive]

I write software and haven't needed those

Though maybe my software is just small

[hard raptor]

Alright... new build incomming! /j

[rough bloom]

it's not even one of the good ones, only 32 cores

also Rome

old

[hard raptor]

Well.. i don't know anything hout 2.5K server CPUs

[clever tundra]

@lament igloo Menu button doesn't work from admin dashboard on mobile

[hard raptor]

Or.. imma buy a whole server

[nocturne olive]

Why one of those when you can just have a very good PC

Surely running all my stuff on consumer hardware is fine

I can't afford anything better anyway because money is impossible to come by these days

[rough bloom]

overpriced

these better be new at least

[dry charm]

No shot it was the flatpak

Also flatpak gave me pains as the built in terminal used the flatpak shell and not my global shell, so I did not even have gradle or npm in it

[maiden geyser]

why one of those when you can just have an aliexpress xeon and 3 digit amount of ram

[nocturne olive]

Well I can't have that when no money

[lament igloo]

I should really dynamically generate headers and footers

[lament igloo]

noted

[nocturne olive]

It's kinda hard to get my hardware more suitable for what I do when I have basically no money and any way I have of making money is too inconsistent or rare

[olive sable]

damn those physisysts

[lament igloo]

https://snn.neuros.click/news/swarmnn-testing-and-feedback-17592948674.html
@wide flicker

the embed

[tender river]

Internal Server Error

[lament igloo]

ohhh i was logged in

lemme just fix that

https://snn.neuros.click/news/swarmnn-testing-and-feedback-17592948674.html?cachekiller

ok it now works

[tender river]

reads like pure slop

[maiden geyser]

born to print hardware, forced to j*b

[nocturne olive]

I can't even have a job these days, too hard and not enough time

[lament igloo]

I fucking hate frontend

[obsidian mantle]

Cant you just get_resolution() and resize() something something

[dry charm]

AAAA You cannot click the top left for Home

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-out-black-guy-tweaking-meme-gif-6022943353035016664

that angers me

[dry charm]

What framework is it in?

[nocturne olive]

Everyone hates frontend, at least in most languages
Kotlin Compose multiplatform is great

[dry charm]

You need to either use a Framework solution, or the CSS one is @media

[lament igloo]

Lmao mb

Next update

[dry charm]

Like in this case, <img> tags should be surrounded in a block div with w100 and h100 and constraint the div

[dry charm]

am I the weird one liking doing frontend?

[lament igloo]

Article content is in html- oh i see now

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, frontend is pain outside of Kotlin Compose

[dry charm]

Honestly Frontend feels like doing LEGO, but you do not know if you have that piece at all, random pieces do not work, you move to another room and the bricks suddenly do not work

Also sometimes it just randomly decides to disintegrate into raw plastic that you need to figure out which block was it

[dry charm]

Compose is really fun, but Compose Desktop is still in very early footing. Like you do not have a native file picker dialog

you need to use swing or jwt dialog for it

which was PAIN

[nocturne olive]

I use FileKit

Which just invokes the system native file picker

I used Compose to build a debug tool for one of the projects I'm involved with

[dry charm]

I tried it and I had problems with it.
Do not actually remember sadly what was exactly

[nocturne olive]

For me it just worked

[dry charm]

Will look at it again then

Been quite a while I touched this project

it was put in the backburner

[nocturne olive]

Easy enough

[jagged turtle]

me when responsive design:

[lament igloo]

facts

[maiden geyser]

it's over

[lament igloo]

BHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA 😭
a simple fix

[dry charm]

that works as well

lmao

though becareful, if you put a tall image, it'll push the content

so like a landscape but the other direction image will be very long

[tight swallow]

Hello, just watched one hilarious video of Neuro. I have wanted to make my own chatbot for a while. Currently going through CompTia DataX. Any ideas for starting points on making my own chatbot?

[olive sable]

Im so glad school ends at noon tuesday and wednesday

[opaque sigil]

imagine being in school at all me in 2 weeks

[rigid snow]

i have been twice

in the whole month of september

me attendance king

[opaque sigil]

ngl i don't remember the last time i went to a lecture

[nocturne olive]

1. download LLM
2. programming
3. once your systems work figure out what you want your LLM personality to be like
4. finetune and prompt until satisfied

For the first part, you want an LLM that has a parameter count similar to the amount of VRAM on your GPU

[fierce badge]

might as well tell what LLM u suggest downloading :3

[nocturne olive]

I don't know anything about latest LLMs, last time I used an LLM it was llama 3.1 8B

[brisk laurel]

@bitter quartz

[brisk laurel]

:3

[bitter quartz]

Thx

[nocturne olive]

And that was back when I didn't have a 3090

[bitter quartz]

But I have integrated graphics

How can I make it faster

[nocturne olive]

Get a GPU

[clear sedge]

get dedicated jraphics

[midnight sigil]

get a cloud-host

[nocturne olive]

If you want a usable LLM speed you need a GPU

[bitter quartz]

I'm using a laptop

[clear sedge]

you're cooked

[nocturne olive]

Get a desktop, NEVER LLM on a laptop

[bitter quartz]

Maybe somebody know about a virtuaö server maybe

[nocturne olive]

The laptop will LITERALLY overheat and die

[bitter quartz]

I need a virtual server

[midnight sigil]

external dgpu via M.2

[clear sedge]

external dgpus are a freak of nature

[bitter quartz]

Maybe do you know about crati g a private server for free

[clear sedge]

but they are certainly an option

[nocturne olive]

I don't suggest using cloud compute at personal scale, only if you go commercial scale

[midnight sigil]

I've inferenced an 2B model on a laptop

still working fine

[nocturne olive]

Oh maybe something tiny like that, but anything intensive is a no

[bitter quartz]

Can you show me the code

[midnight sigil]

I'm afraid I can't

[bitter quartz]

Why?

[clear sedge]

do not be scared

[bitter quartz]

I want to learn yknpw

[midnight sigil]

it's just calling llama.cpp

[nocturne olive]

If you want LLM inference quickly just grab llama.cpp

[midnight sigil]

and the code is deleted whatsoever

[bitter quartz]

Pls everybody join vc

I want to know from you

[clear sedge]

no :)

[midnight sigil]

[nocturne olive]

I don't have VC compatible hardware

[bitter quartz]

Do you want me to let evil tase you

Why can join

[clear sedge]

i'm just busy working on my game engine

[bitter quartz]

Others I think are cowards

If you don't help a beginner

[midnight sigil]

what

[nocturne olive]

I can help but only in text

[bitter quartz]

Then dm me

@nocturne olive

[clear sedge]

you can just ask for help here

[opaque sigil]

[clear sedge]

more input = more better

[nocturne olive]

You can just DM me, I don't have anything preventing it

[bitter quartz]

Adding you as a friend rn

Added

[midnight sigil]

ssh to 127.0.0.1, I give you free vps host

user techlover password 00112

[bitter quartz]

Really

?

Do you have tailscale

[midnight sigil]

what

[bitter quartz]

I could connect from over there

From tailscale

[opaque sigil]

fix your server

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-works-for-me-meme-engineering-dvd-gif-27508941

[bitter quartz]

I have a tail et

Tailnet

That you can join

Dm me

I'm gonna invite you

[midnight sigil]

nah no need

[bitter quartz]

Then how would I access it

Without tailscale I cannot

[dry charm]

127.0.0.1 is your local system

[midnight sigil]

it only works on my machine, I told you

[dry charm]

[olive sable]

im home

[rough bloom]

hello home, I'm Shuni

[olive sable]

hi shuni, im home

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

its oktober now pog

[nocturne olive]

How the Vulkaning going?

[olive sable]

its going

[olive sable]

.

[nocturne olive]

Not bad

[olive sable]

spy x family S3 on the 4th and opm S3 on the 12th. besides that its just isekai slop

[dry charm]

There are some good ones

[olive sable]

go on

bro did not go on

[wide flicker]

listen man i cant really help that my writing style is sloppish ;-; at least I wrote it

[tender river]

it really reads like ai you should work on passing the turing test

[wide flicker]

not that i put that much effort into it but ouch

[sage crag]

turing test grade F

[tender river]

[real sierra]

-#

[sage crag]

shawro

[real sierra]

-#

-#

[sage crag]

shawro 📣

📣

fwuh

[real sierra]

📣 bweeeweewewewewee

1000 tiny attacks

[sage crag]

nwerobreaddodge

[real sierra]

but the nimble bread evaded each attack by a hair's width

[sage crag]

someone send gif of neuro bread getting disintergrated in water

[glad path]

not always

[patent walrus]

shiro do this --> 🙏

[glad path]

its different from one router to another smtimes

[dry charm]

huh

It is in the network protocol that 127.0.0.1 is a loopback IP

it cannot be anything else

[opaque sigil]

i think you're thinking of 172.x.x.x or whatever the address was

[dry charm]

Are there routers that come with 172? damn

Doesn't all SOHO router come with 192.168.0.0/24 as default?

[opaque sigil]

idk

but it's a valid range of private ip ranges you can use

[rigid snow]

172.17.0.0/16

[sage crag]

i have a unique loopback address

[real sierra]

did i pass

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

im sorry WHAT is this

[rigid timber]

can't believe mods would emote spam smh

[sage crag]

shameful

[rigid snow]

icant green

[midnight sigil]

are you minimodding

[sage crag]

no macromodding

[rigid timber]

no, I'm daavko

I'm judging

[midnight sigil]

yes nanomodding

[rigid snow]

moddingmodding modding

everything modding

[midnight sigil]

hello judging

smh konii reaction spam

[rigid snow]

reaction spam (micromodding)

[real sierra]

im modding

reaction spammers

[midnight sigil]

:ALERT:

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

[midnight sigil]

hallo modding

since when #programming became #neurotic-neurons

[rigid timber]

since Shiro made us do chess

[rigid snow]

chessmodding

[midnight sigil]

✅

[sage crag]

[bitter quartz]

Ay

I installed arch rn

[sage crag]

its a shame you have to fight shiro in act 3 of silksong

[bitter quartz]

I'm now trying to use ollama

[olive sable]

spoilers

[bitter quartz]

Ay

Could somebody pls help me

🙏

[olive sable]

depends on what you need help with

[bitter quartz]

I need help to setup my ollama with a web ui on my laptop

[olive sable]

laptop

[bitter quartz]

Like from 0 to 100

Yes

I don't have anything else than that

[sage crag]

who put this purple orb of incredible power in my garden

[sage crag]

please stop littering

[tender river]

so THATS where it went

[sage crag]

[tender river]

give it back

[sage crag]

no mine

[tender river]

[sage crag]

my garden my purple orb of incredible power

[tender river]

you will break it give back

[olive sable]

there's an obligation to try to return lost property to its owner, however, if you just so happen to not know who the owner is then you dont need to

[sage crag]

i will break it

i will not give it

[tender river]

[sage crag]

purple orb of incredible power

[real sierra]

have any of you made an LLM FAQ yet

i feel like 50% of traffic here is just

[tender river]

typical konii

[sage crag]

@amber fractal get here

[real sierra]

"how to make neuro sama"

[olive sable]

wdym?
like the one iggly is making?

[sage crag]

@amber fractal get here 2

[real sierra]

well i meant more comprehensive than that

lol

[tender river]

@amber fractal get here

[sage crag]

ye me quirky funny hijinx serialised in 24 minute episodes featuring two stories that are split around the middle with an adbreak

popular show for young children aged 3 to 98

[olive sable]

iggly is probably asleep

its roughly 10am in cali rn i think

[tender river]

[fading olive]

It's 8:25 am in california

[olive sable]

cool

well there you have it

[sage crag]

you it or i your name on the purple orb of incredible power and throw it in the sea

[tender river]

[sage crag]

wait is it buouyant

[olive sable]

it has to be pretty dense no?

[tender river]

ye you throw i get back

[sage crag]

no?

purple orb of incredible power not purple orb of incredible mass

[olive sable]

power has mass

[sage crag]

frogsmog ban

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[rigid timber]

this is #physics now

[sage crag]

power not have mass

energy not have mass either

[rigid snow]

god damn this degraded

[sage crag]

we discussed this before samuel van manuel

[rigid snow]

death by styling

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

in what form is the power stored

[sage crag]

power is not stored

[real sierra]

i must go be a human being now

[sage crag]

power is the rate of energy transfer

[real sierra]

i cant just be a chess-related code outputting machine

[rigid snow]

i should probably redesign that like fuuuuuckin hell it's ass

[sage crag]

samerd vanerd maelerd

[rigid snow]

3 daemons

[olive sable]

koniier lgerd lcderd

[sage crag]

you try

you fail

make mistake make you human

im not a human im a tv

[olive sable]

yes i know

[rigid snow]

tb

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

tb

[sage crag]

thats a disease

[olive sable]

tuberculosis?

[rigid snow]

telebision

[sage crag]

tuber as in potato

[olive sable]

patatolosis?

[sage crag]

amazing automod

[rigid snow]

telebision

[sage crag]

[tender river]

tuber as in vtuber

[rigid timber]

virtual potato

[rigid snow]

vtuberculosis

[sage crag]

@patent walrus you fix potato

[olive sable]

"losis" means its a condition or a process.
so tuberculosis means the condition of being a vtuber?

[sage crag]

who reacted

[olive sable]

i cant see

[olive sable]

my discord is bugged or smthn

huh

oh its juhotuho

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

i had to react too and click on the list to see the name

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

im 64th in the server ranking

interesting

[sage crag]

weak

[olive sable]

bwaa

[midnight sigil]

for the API:
Clone neurosdk, replace all names in repo to your name, implement the APIs on your end, profit

[olive sable]

huh?

[midnight sigil]

bwaa huh

[olive sable]

what

[midnight sigil]

wgat waht

[olive sable]

oh

nvm

[sage crag]

clone neurosdk clone neurosdk clone neurosdk

[midnight sigil]

clone neurosdk clone neurosdk clone neurosdk

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

why cross me

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

who's rick

[midnight sigil]

shaw

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

shaw?

[sage crag]

i will remake you from edible glitter and 2 part epoxy

[rigid snow]

epoxy not eatabl

[sage crag]

who mention eatable

[midnight sigil]

why not inedible glitters

[olive sable]

i get the feeling you dont need to use edible stuff if you're workign with 2 part epoxy.

[sage crag]

its important

[rigid snow]

you did

[sage crag]

no edible glitter is for me

2 part epoxy is for you

[olive sable]

no, edible glitter is for me
or
no edible glitter, is for me
or
no edible glitter is for me
?

[midnight sigil]

edible ≠ eatable

[rigid snow]

only one of them make ssense

[olive sable]

then what in the goddamn fuck does it mean?

[olive sable]

they all make sense to me

[midnight sigil]

yuh they all make sense

[sage crag]

its actually a synonym

[tender river]

nerd

]

[rigid snow]

we in nerd channel

all nerd

[olive sable]

nuh-uh

[midnight sigil]

1. edible glitter is for me
2. no edible glitter, and it's for my good
3. no edible glitter is on my hand

[rigid snow]

i',m a wbdev wghich means i am a normie

[tender river]

im not a dev

i dont program

[sage crag]

', ne punctuation

[rigid snow]

, close to m

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-meme-memes-funny-lie-detector-gif-16518718931763553074

i donr program i code

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-goku-earth-blow-up-explosion-gif-14009709329686964548

[sage crag]

discord but the usernames are right aligned instead of left aligned

[olive sable]

what

[wide flicker]

what a horrible curse to utter

[midnight sigil]

that"s arab discird

[sage crag]

no in english

[olive sable]

this channel is filled with the utter deranged

[sage crag]

also the message time on the left

[midnight sigil]

discird with the RLM unicode

[sage crag]

ye so many weirdo glad im normal

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-bye-bye-leave-peace-out-dramatic-exit-gif-5665420532293249253

[sage crag]

we b dev

[midnight sigil]

normals are abnormals if surrounded by abnormals

[sage crag]

uh no

you just weirdo

[midnight sigil]

thanks

[olive sable]

"normal" is a metric for how far you differ from the average or something idk

[rigid snow]

so if everyone is abnormal nobody is

[sage crag]

the opposite actually

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

not how normal distribution work

[olive sable]

you get what i mean

[sage crag]

yes the mean is exactly what this is about

[midnight sigil]

✅ for me yes

[rigid snow]

ok if THE MAJORITY blah blah ssflkdkfsdfiosdfjk

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

im leaving

[sage crag]

bye leaving

[olive sable]

this has beene nough for me

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

hi leaving

[sage crag]

they just say leaving

[midnight sigil]

hi leaving

[sage crag]

SILLY

[rigid snow]

i am?

[sage crag]

frogsmog edible paper

[sage crag]

not you just dumb

[tender river]

do not eat

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

smogfrog edible paper

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

i have no response to this, i cant even. this conversation has not been my pleasure

[sage crag]

catModeON

[midnight sigil]

"this" refers to #programming
leave here is trying to point out there's a beene nough here, for himself

[rigid snow]

In JavaScript, "this" refers to the context in which a function is called, allowing access to the properties and methods of the object that owns the function. Its value can change depending on how the function is invoked, such as whether it's called as a method of an object or as a standalone function.

[sage crag]

who is beene nough

[rigid snow]

beene nough

[tender river]

cooki

[midnight sigil]

JavaScript copied Java

[rigid snow]

WHAT!!>??!?!?!

[sage crag]

caibi copy dumbgpt

[midnight sigil]

WHAT!!>??!?!?!

[sage crag]

no

uranium

[tender river]

it was good

[rigid snow]

sweet

[midnight sigil]

bible reference 🔥

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-neuro-sama-evil-evil-neuro-never-gif-17127427275419419716

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

📣

[rigid snow]

konii i slept for 3 hours last night

let me

[mighty nebula]

What?

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

programming chat I had the greatest idea and neurotic neurons didn't seem to bite

I proposed a vending machine with a full screen for next twitchcon, but it has neuro on it
inserting money does not guarantee it actually vends anything, but neuro can tell when you have, so getting something from the vending machine requires bribing or otherwise convincing neuro to vend a prize, at which point she can vend maybe some free merch or something

I feel like it would be such a fun attraction, trying to convince neuro to give you things and watching her way overcharge people

[amber fractal]

@real sierra While I am awake for this day, what did you expect out of an LLM FAQ.

[tender river]

you should pitch to vedal he loves losing money

[real sierra]

a lot of the people who come here with LLM questions can't actually answer them with the existing FAQ

[mighty nebula]

That seems a ton of work and money

Tell vedal

[real sierra]

I feel like a review of the actual frequently asked questions here would be useful

or short of that, just expanding the current one with more details

[amber fractal]

I'm not against either of those, It's part of the reason I made it a SVG on github

[shadow sinew]

How about setting up one of those DIY cocktail machines and Neuro picks the recipe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49msONntdEQ

[mighty nebula]

You want to make a FAQ for the common questions people have about LLMs?

[amber fractal]

I'd probably have to do that when more people are online to vote, I'd expand each section with an info table.

Having more answers is also a nice thing

[amber fractal]

I'm already working on such, but it has some points it can be improved on.

I wish I could demo adding a info section, but I don't have access to my laptop at the moment.

[mighty nebula]

I think it’s a good idea, there are a LOT of misconceptions about this on the internet

[amber fractal]

This is the current iteration

I do think it needs work

I was mostly focusing on CSS as a debate over the previous one being bland took place. Now is a good time to work on the next thing until I can get this into a markdown file.

[rigid snow]

i ended up sleeping for 20m before waking up

[rigid snow]

ok so one i wanna do a pass or a separate redesign because respectfully it looks ass
and second seeing html inside of svg makes my eye twitch, i wonder if there’s something like vercel’s satori that isn’t js and would fit nicely in the stack

satori being a html -> svg renderer

wait i’m fucking stupid why do we need that in the first place it’s firefox

nevermind

[amber fractal]

Yeah it is barely just html in the svg container

[rigid snow]

i don’t think there is much of a reason to use svg

[real sierra]

i like SVG because it's just such a good idea

I don't like it because it reminds me of SVD though

[amber fractal]

You got a fair point, At this point the last step is just switching the opening section to html

[amber fractal]

I've always been open to other people redesigning it. When no one else stepped up I just did something myself.
I'm not going to say my design is good, just that it was something

[rigid snow]

yeah i’m on it i think. as soon as i wake up

[amber fractal]

You can probably get rid of all of the element styling easily by moving them to the style sections or just yeeting them (The table's element styling is not needed in my design)

Honestly should have used CSS selectors for those

Honestly had the feeling I'd never end up designing it, as so many others were telling me they wanted to redesign it. No hard feelings to anyone who offered it, I know where I stand here.

[rigid snow]

i’m just loud about my opinions. something that’s ass to me is beautiful to another

but this looks objectively unpopular

[amber fractal]

Your not wrong

If anything, I at least had fun designing it

Now it is time for it to retire as it did it's job

[amber fractal]

I did refuse Prismatic on redesigning because of no longer being a SVG/HTML. I feel it being that is going to be a reason everyone can cooperate.

I made my case on explaining why tossing around a gimp file (not psd for fricks sake) would be actively detrimental to the project's health.

[rigid snow]

also good idea i just had

need an action that would render on pushes in prs and comment the picture

[amber fractal]

SVG to PNG is already an action

[rigid snow]

i mean specifically preview in prs

[amber fractal]

I see, yeah that would be useful

Too far out of my domain as I'm still learning github

I guess I can take inspiration from similar

[real sierra]

I wonder how accurate of an AI could be trained off of what I've said in this server

[olive sable]

wdym with "accurate"?

[real sierra]

indistinguishable from me on a single-response basis

i.e. you prompt both me and the AI and choose which response was me

in the perfect case you are correct 50% of the time

[amber fractal]

Make sure your styling works with a extra column as I'm planning on adding an info column to partially answer Shiro's request. Though honestly I'd just prefer a general table styling because I will be adding more. That is my only requirement.

[real sierra]

to be clear, my thoughts on the FAQ are just an opinion

I'm not ordering you to make any changest

[amber fractal]

It's a good opinion

[real sierra]

entirely at your behest

[real sierra]

just don't want you to think I'm bossing you around on a passion project

[amber fractal]

Feel free to join the effort yourself

This is stored on github

[amber fractal]

Not to go after your moderator (or lack there of sometimes) I'd take this advice just as much as I do any other person

[rough bloom]

215k messages
that should be enough to fine-tune an LLM on it I think, though it might still have tendencies from the base model remaining, not sure
any LLM fine-tuners

-# Markov chain would be funnier anyway

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ @real sierra

[real sierra]

there's another 50k in staff channels

[olive sable]

i couldn't distinguish you from my mom based on a single response, nevermind distinguishing an llm.

[real sierra]

I have the most messages on the server

idk what the surprise is

[rough bloom]

thought so, but maybe don't train on those

[real sierra]

yes this would be a very bad idea

[opaque sigil]

nah i'm sure it's fine

[tight swallow]

I am going to be looking at these LLMs maybe for my chatbot.

· Mistral 7B Instruct v0.2
· OpenHermes 2.5 Mistral 7B
· Dolphin 2.5 Mistral 7B

[amber fractal]

I'm assuming the Shiro AI would celebrate their birthday

[real sierra]

faq data point

[nocturne olive]

I have finetuned LLMs and have 3090
Someone would have to collect the data though

[olive sable]

tatsu says you're third, but does that exclude staff channels?

[real sierra]

never

[amber fractal]

I'm waiting on commits on the LLM section

[real sierra]

Tatsu is shit at counting, it ignores messages within a certain amount of time from each other

[olive sable]

oh

i see

[real sierra]

my throne eternally lost to people who don't sleep

[nocturne olive]

8GB or 12GB VRAM?

[amber fractal]

Let me ping that individual as they've nor PRed yet

[olive sable]

i have 300K, and you 800K, according to tatsu,

im 64th

[real sierra]

surely you have half my messages

[olive sable]

idk

"from: samvanmaele" gives me 49,752 results. but idk how tatsu vs discord counts

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

tatsu only counts messages that give you xp iirc

[rough bloom]

it might actually be fine if goldfish loss or similar is used
it's a really simple way to prevent memorization, you kinda just exclude random tokens from the output sequence during training
during training it still sees the full sequence so it learns the general style, but during inference it can't really repeat anything verbatim from the training dataset because it will run into an excluded token eventually

[real sierra]

that's like 1/5 of my messages

[amber fractal]

@silent cloak When you remember/can would you commit to the FAQ what info you have for the LLM section. I'm just reminding you in case you forgot

[olive sable]

ok but you're a mod

you're supposed to be active here

[amber fractal]

Someone check my message count while your at it

mobile skill issue

[real sierra]

!

[tight swallow]

8gb vram

[nocturne olive]

Yeah then 7B is the right size for you at Q4

[olive sable]

28,030

[tight swallow]

😊

[olive sable]

altho the 2 last ones you sent havent been counted it seems

ok ye it updated, 28,032

[amber fractal]

Let's do some spring cleaning on the styling before @rigid snow starts

[silent cloak]

thanks for reminding me i honestly did forget lmao

[sage crag]

sssssssss

ssss

ssssssss

[olive sable]

konii static noise

no signal

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

rip bozo

[sage crag]

koni no signal sound like

sound like

[olive sable]

ye im not watching that

i want to experience the game without spoilers

[opaque sigil]

have you played the first game

[olive sable]

not yet

i did buy both

and ill play them in order

i just have a fuckton of work to do

[rigid snow]

do i not just redo the thing

[opaque sigil]

damn i'm jealous, you're in for a treat

[amber fractal]

I was just dealing with the inline stuff so it was easier for you to grasp

[rigid snow]

i uhh don't need to i think

grasp it

[amber fractal]

Just removing bloat

[olive sable]

i also bought half life alyx today cuz of the sale

[amber fractal]

Honestly your choice, I just assumed you'd keep some of the html

I'm just fighting moving the width hardcoding so it stays the same size

@rigid snow ball is in your court, I did all I wanted to rq

[old totem]

this might be stupid question

[rigid snow]

the fuck is all of this shit

buzz site make ??

this is figma btw

[olive sable]

the usual, its fine go ahead

[old totem]

but do you guys know any downloads for any x86 assembly assembler

i look online and its all so convoluted

i wanna learn assembly but then theres like 50 types of assembly

isnt there some vs code extension

[opaque sigil]

https://flatassembler.net/ i'd personally recommend this

they have plenty of examples and pretty good documentation too

[olive sable]

i don't know much about assembly, but i thought its instruction set based, so you'd want x86 assembly???
can anyone fact-check peer review this?

[old totem]

yeah

i thought thats like the big one

[opaque sigil]

the specific syntax differs from assembler to assembler

the resulting machine code is identical

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=MuhinBetenyaInc.fasmext

i like fasm because it's a lot simpler and has quite convenient macros

[amber fractal]

Good luck
Feel free to expand size as I was going to for more stuff

[old totem]

masm is the one i want

nvm

it was nasm

my fucking brain

[rigid snow]

you're reading my mind
is there any limitation on size? is it 720p just because

i think that is quite small

for the density

[amber fractal]

Just need to change the size in the GH action once you done

720p just as my personal default

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

nasm is perfectly fine too, it's absolutely the better choice if you want to write only parts of your program in assembly and then link with that

it's also the "default" choice for whatever reason

[olive sable]

the fuck you mean "unknown render failure"??? its a goddman website

[opaque sigil]

nasm needs a separate linker if you want to create an executable iirc

[old totem]

sounds good

[old totem]

yeah i have no clue

i wish i had linux

[olive sable]

its never too late to change

[old totem]

cant i just rename a file in windows to asm

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

is there anything stopping you from just doing this inside wsl

[old totem]

too lazy and busy

[old totem]

what is that

[rigid snow]

hoooooly

[opaque sigil]

a linux vm inside windows

[old totem]

sounds like a lot of work just to learn assembly