programming

[rigid snow]

same

[clear sedge]

it's such a painful language

[rigid snow]

doesn’t stop me from using it

[real sierra]

" refuse to take eating poison criticism from person who doesnt eat poison"

[clear sedge]

i should continue writing my 6502 assembler

[clear sedge]

me with alcohol:

[opaque sigil]

i just want rust without a borrow checker, is that so much to ask for

[clear sedge]

based

[rigid timber]

oh yeah, Shiro, can we embed a WASM blob in JS?

[glass jetty]

where it is different?
you still cant just change size of handle type

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

no you don’t

[tender river]

rust coroutines dont heap allocate

[real sierra]

probably not

[rigid timber]

[tender river]

borrow checker is not even one of my core problems with rust

its the lack of metaprogramming capabilities

proc macros and macro_rules! are both so painful to use

[rigid snow]

i believe borrow checker good

[real sierra]

Vani

[patent walrus]

NO MICROSOFT, ITS IN LIGHT MODE NOW RAAAAAAAGH

[tender river]

borrow checker is easy to work around, it's only really more restrictive than necessary in single threaded code

[clear sedge]

rust macros are very odd, in that they can do so much, but are such a pain to write

[tender river]

in multi threaded code it works super well imo

[real sierra]

light mode om

[shadow sinew]

Zig comptime baby

[clear sedge]

template <> time

[glass jetty]

where? docs

[tender river]

i can do better

[real sierra]

#define time

[clear sedge]

#define based

[tender river]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/future/index.html

[real sierra]

or inline if you really feel like it

[clear sedge]

inline not based, not enough guarantees

[shadow sinew]

https://github.com/ginkgo/Zig-comptime-brainfuck

[real sierra]

yeah I don't see the use case

[tender river]

i dont care you can do brainfuck in rust at comptime

its not useful

i want to actually write code that manipulates code

[opaque sigil]

now that i think about it, it's been quite a while since i've written any rust hmmm

idk if i should be happy or sad about that

[real sierra]

don't relapse toast

it's a good sign

[opaque sigil]

shiro

[rigid timber]

relapse relapse relapse

[real sierra]

come back to C

[opaque sigil]

you don't want to see the atrocities i have to commit with c++ templates

[real sierra]

C loves you

[rigid timber]

put on the Rust socks

[shadow sinew]

At runtime? Guess lisps are pretty much your only option.

[opaque sigil]

it does not

[tender river]

i have plenty of options im just super busy and cant write them

[real sierra]

java reflect

[tender river]

one of my projects is a language for incremental computation that i plan to use as a metaprogramming language for everything

[glass jetty]

sorry im not ai i cant read everything in couple of minutes, i found nothing about allocation here
so if you pretend to know, drop docs about that

[tender river]

incremental computation is required because tooling in 2025 is not single pass compilers

[tender river]

because allocation is just not required

[rigid snow]

that’s the point

[glass jetty]

lol

[burnt ridge]

[glass jetty]

i not see how to for general function not allocate on heap params now
when you expect handle object to be general, with fixed size

[tender river]

std::future::Future is the trait implemented by coroutines

[nocturne olive]

How goes the Chess API?

[real sierra]

you know, if just allocate 4GB stack array and reimplement malloc, then can have everything be stack instead of heap

[tender river]

coroutine types themselves are opaque unnameable types

their layout is automatically generated by the compiler to have enough space for their storage

[real sierra]

last update was yesterday afternoon

[tender river]

then note how std::future::Future trait's poll method takes self as Pin<&mut Self> rather than &mut Self

[nocturne olive]

Silly
I wonder when the one bug I'm waiting on will be fixed

[tender river]

this in general means that if you want to poll a future, you must guarantee that it wont ever move again

[glass jetty]

so they not have names, therefore they are not fixed type

[tender river]

they are a fixed type

but not a nameable type

not same thing

not nameable means only usable with type inference

can be returned from a function

[glass jetty]

SO
C++ TRAIT COROUTINES also can be just like that, but implementation just bad i guess

for explicit lifetime duration there no way i guess

[tender river]

can be passed to a function

c++ standard says must allocate

[real sierra]

c++ standard loses again

I mostly hate on rust as a meme it actually seems quite cool, just verbose

but c++ is truly ass

[tender river]

anyway coroutines are a perfect example of why i dont like rust but like its features - it has a cool feature (compiling regular imperative code into a state machine) but its implemented as a builtin feature

this would be such a good use case for powerful metaprogramming features

but we dont have languages that have them

[rigid snow]

nerdleaf

[real sierra]

phrase your idea as a new VM and pitch to konii and it will exist within 3 business days

[glass jetty]

again, where, lol
cppref is wiki not standard

[tender river]

[glass jetty]

btw c++ draft have exec lib in list now

[tender river]

first of all

coroutine_handle is fixed size struct

this already implies it must use allocation

coroutine_handle being defined this way implies dynamic dispatch

rust futures support both static and dynamic dispatch

[opaque sigil]

async rust

[tender river]

basically, at that point why not use go, java or c#? if you have to allocate/do dynamic dispatch either way

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

JAVA MENTIONED

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

USED IN 1 TRILLION DEVICES WORLDWIDE

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

[glass jetty]

ok that is silly

really standard issue

[rigid timber]

stonks

[real sierra]

[keen hatch]

@real sierra 🎂

[real sierra]

I'm allergic to cake and candles

[rigid timber]

insert Mini dancing gif here

[real sierra]

[rigid timber]

I meant the happy birthday one, but this one is also nice

[glass jetty]

any way, rust not allow me to define whatever i wan with #define
so after like a week of learning rust i decided i not want it now

i like my defined too much

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

back to C

[rigid snow]

good job discord this is awful

[real sierra]

surely can adjust scaling settings

[rigid timber]

get rotated

[amber fractal]

That is better than the android experince what? I get the server menu constantly.

[rigid snow]

nice grey bars too

[glass jetty]

in case why i prefer c++

in case of coroutines itself in c++, they are low lvl interface, that by design, if are zero-cost, are just best
but even when it isnt; wait on any other async is still much longer then allocation

[rigid snow]

i suppose it is but the bars are stupid. could have at least made them background colored

i imagine it looks even stupider on newer iphones with the hole punch

[glass jetty]

i wonder, can i just run other program before run lsp for rust<->ide? then, maybe, it wouldn't be issue
just write preprocessor myself

[rigid timber]

oh, they're not going beyond the safe area, that's funny

actually it's the same on Android, I get a bar on the left

usual mobile Discord L

[rigid snow]

at least not both sides

[rigid timber]

true, because the safe area extends all the way to the home button

that's system-specific

[rigid snow]

here they don't ignore the home button safe area too

but they hide it

which is hysterical

[midnight sigil]

one of my friend overclocked a 14900KS to peak 6.3GHz with 1.45V

[rigid timber]

are you on iOS 26? hiding the home button is a "feature" there apparently

[real sierra]

I had a script once that let me inline JavaScript files into an html script tag with a custom <scripts> tag I invented

[rigid snow]

is it not opt in anymore

i am

[real sierra]

easy strict origin control dodge

[midnight sigil]

it's now lowered to 6GHz and running stable for 3+ hours

crazy crazy

time to beat the triangle record set by quack fr fr

[rigid timber]

I'll admit I haven't looked for a setting, but it's hiding by default now on my test device

maybe they just changed the default, but I wouldn't put it beyond Apple to just impose it on everyone without opt-out

[rigid snow]

i mean from app dev's side, it's not a setting

[amber fractal]

You'll at least increase your score

[rigid timber]

I don't actually know... would have to go look for some docs on that and I'm too lazy for that

[tender river]

rust has macro_rules! which is mostly enough to replace #define

also proc macros

[rigid snow]

ok i might be stupid checked a couple of other apps and they all hide the home bar
but they don't safe area it

steam

[rigid timber]

they might be native apps tho, no? isn't Discord a React app?

I don't remember what they use anymore

[rigid snow]

react-native

not web

[rigid timber]

it might still obey the safe area for Reasons(tm)

[rigid snow]

i see how that might become a thing now that i remembered enough of how you do safezones in rn and also considering they have an android build too. but that is fixed with one if statement or a ternary op

[rigid timber]

they might be using the react-native-safe-area-context package...? apparently that's how you do safe area in React Native now

[rigid snow]

maybe

i don't remember shit

[rigid timber]

I just looked at the first result from the docs tbh

it recommends that package, and the package supports both Android and iOS

[amber fractal]

Tag yourself, which project was the worst example of this

[rigid snow]

no windows and macos support

[rigid snow]

if that package is useful anywhere it's web. 100vh doesn't mean anything nowadays

[rigid timber]

Discord doesn't use RN for either of those

[rigid snow]

i know

[amber fractal]

I actually need to think about it because I haven't shifted off of python yet. Probably doing some jank in the triangle repo.

[rigid timber]

100dvh is a fun one

[real sierra]

https://youtu.be/VaeI9YgE1o8

[rigid timber]

I have several questions

[real sierra]

ungodly application of lin alg hardware

[amber fractal]

5 million params is a decent size here, insane in MC

[amber fractal]

No API, all redstone

[real sierra]

no mods, no network connection

all redstone

[tender river]

third time you sent this

[worldly acorn]

And id do it again

[real sierra]

in their defense, it's still true

[fair horizon]

There is a thin line between dedication and insanity, this one obliterates that line

[worldly acorn]

I love propaganda

[fair horizon]

How tf does one manage to create such a monster

[rigid snow]

why won't this evoke reaction

[real sierra]

this one does not spark joy

ok time to get out of bed

[rigid snow]

time to get in bed

[obsidian mantle]

yooo actually why arent they making some special processors for ai

or do they

also what about analog processors is it dead branch

[real sierra]

GPUs

[rigid snow]

yes they do it's called nvidia

[obsidian mantle]

is that maximum of what can be done

[real sierra]

they do make GPUs now that are specialized for AI tasks

[amber fractal]

That is not a wrong answer

[obsidian mantle]

[amber fractal]

Wait wrong reply frick

[rigid timber]

TPUs are a thing

[rigid snow]

datacenter gpus are basically ai asics

all of them

[fair horizon]

Analog electronics are still very important on the input (sensors) and output (speakers and stuff) side. But since noise often keeps increasing while doing calculations with it analog processors have its limitations

[obsidian mantle]

ye i meant computation

[amber fractal]

Finally,decent cable management

[rigid snow]

good cable management

[obsidian mantle]

soon

[rigid timber]

can I have it in black, I don't want rainbow vomit

[fair horizon]

We should start a charity where we rewire people like this in their sleep, I feel like they'd be thankful

[obsidian mantle]

it will have toggles in your brain to change color

(it will not work you need blood everywhere not only in your head )

[midnight sigil]

ASUS Aura Sync supports mhm

[fair horizon]

But what if we try it anyway, for science

[midnight sigil]

we will require credits to change colors tho, and hence the Aura Farming we say

[amber fractal]

It goes though your bones which are now glowsticks mhm

[obsidian mantle]

initially i thought about heat problem, this distant parts of your skin will not get enough heat

and you will get frostbites from mediocre winter wind

[amber fractal]

My issue went straight to lack of nerves

[obsidian mantle]

nerves patched

random chest pain glitch fixed

[amber fractal]

Can't get frostbite if you can't feel anything at all

[obsidian mantle]

i think my chess recursion has core design problem
its not very convenient to calculate deeper if i have free time
because all finished branches get discarded

i probably can prolong if current node had small amount of moves

[nocturne olive]

Is the recursion bug fixed yet?

[obsidian mantle]

whats the bug

my bug was fixed i think

[nocturne olive]

The bug where recursion being done gives invalid moves?

Because I tried it yesterday and it was not gone

[obsidian mantle]

how deep does your recursion go

can you print it somehow

[nocturne olive]

Any more than one level of recursion breaks

[obsidian mantle]

that sounds printable

[nocturne olive]

As soon as I have depth 2, I get a few bugs, as soon as I get depth 3, I get 200000 bugs

[midnight sigil]

my bot can prune well

[nocturne olive]

I'm pretty sure someone reproduced a related bug and determined where it comes from in the C API

[midnight sigil]

am I not having bugs because I use Python

[nocturne olive]

Some cache was not being updated

[obsidian mantle]

i reproduced it before but it was fixed 3 days ago

[midnight sigil]

there are no cache within the API

[nocturne olive]

Wuh

[midnight sigil]

everything is user-handled, hence it's called API

[nocturne olive]

Well what is my bug then? And why is it not gone

[obsidian mantle]

can you print boards and show whats happening? like i did
like this:

get_legal_moves()
make_move()
get_legal_moves()
make_move...
and so on

and print board and move you are making

and legal moves it gives you

[rough bloom]

using animals to combat insects in combination with a gardening bot to prune leaves, very good

[obsidian mantle]

you can make it withing main program with 5+ consecutive moves, you can even choose the moves by hand too

[nocturne olive]

I can't print boards because boards are just pointers
But moves can be printed

[obsidian mantle]

you can print board! let me show you how i did it

[rough bloom]

not sure how much a python helps with the bug problem though
may want to consider something different

[obsidian mantle]

board printer

in c++

[rigid snow]

pruning leaves

[nocturne olive]

I'm in Kotlin where I would need to implement the board struct in the API

[midnight sigil]

[rigid snow]

where is chay

[obsidian mantle]

cant you just get piece and assign it a letter and then print the letter

repeat 64 times

[midnight sigil]

[obsidian mantle]

how do you even prune it

dont go deeper if move is super bad?

i mean logically

[tender river]

quiescence search

null pruning

many techniques

[midnight sigil]

you just ask it to do things with a Pungi

[midnight sigil]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Printing everything possible on recursion of depth 2

[obsidian mantle]

unreadable

format it like this at least

[nocturne olive]

Well that's the defined toString() of Move

[nocturne olive]

I don't know how, I'm not an expert on the API

[obsidian mantle]

hmm
and i dont know kotlin to give concrete advice

dont you have this in kotlin? it should be in api?

[nocturne olive]

The get piece functions are some of the functions that crash

[obsidian mantle]

[nocturne olive]

Since the piece is invalid

Since the move is invalid in some way

[obsidian mantle]

does it just crash when it returns null or

[nocturne olive]

That's what the whole info Bugged thing is

[nocturne olive]

Throws IllegalArgumentException

[obsidian mantle]

while giving output? or somewhere in the middle

[nocturne olive]

After the return value is evaluated and seen as not a valid piece

[obsidian mantle]

but if there is no piece you give it a 0 or something, like i did here

[obsidian mantle]

.

empty squares are 0

[real sierra]

these functions seem to work fine in the C API

[nocturne olive]

Yeah I'll change it once I confirm the bug is no longer there
BUT the issue is the spots returning 0 should 100% have a piece

[obsidian mantle]

i just take the 0 and process it

[sage crag]

phrrr

[obsidian mantle]

then just print the board so its comprehensible

[nocturne olive]

Assuming the moves are valid

So either the return values are wrong or the moves are wrong

[real sierra]

📣 🔥 🔥 🔥

[obsidian mantle]

print_board
a2a3
print_board

if the second board is fucked then its 100% clear

that there is a bug unless you have done somethiing wrong but the code should be easy enough to analyze

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

I'm sure my code is correct in logic unless I'm a total idiot

[real sierra]

[nocturne olive]

It makes and undoes moves the correct amount no matter what

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

I can't print something the API doesn't give me

The API passes it by reference, and I don't have an implementation of the board struct

[real sierra]

just got to uni and the fire dept is here

burning down for the 2nd time this month

[obsidian mantle]

does get_piece_from_index crash if you do nothing with the result

[nocturne olive]

It's an issue with my implementation that it exceptions if there is no piece, but the fact there is no piece is the issue

[obsidian mantle]

so it doesnt crash by itself it crashes when you process the result?

[nocturne olive]

It exceptions within the Kotlin bindings

But the exception has nothing to do with the core issue

[obsidian mantle]

so you cant just
for 0 to 63
get_piece_from_index(i)

[nocturne olive]

It's just me being bad when making the API bindings

[nocturne olive]

Technically possible if I catch all the exceptions

But I still have no idea what is even going wrong in the first place
Something is wrong and I'm pretty sure it's not my code, since there's pieces missing from where they should always be if the get legal moves return is valid

[real sierra]

in my limited testing, I have been unable to find a case where these functions fail

their implementation in the C API means the board state itself would need to be incorrect to get an incorrect return

[obsidian mantle]

is it bad strategy to have small recursion but evaluate moves very carefully

[nocturne olive]

So weird
I can reproduce it consistently in my code and can't tell what in my code would cause the legal moves array to desync from the board state

Unless the compiler is referencing the wrong it

That would be a stupid reason

I should confirm that to see if I and the compiler are an idiot

[real sierra]

are you certain you are creating copies of the moves returned by get_legal_moves, and not using the original items given by C after freeing them

that was a similar issue that plagued the python bindings

I'm happy to have people double check the implementation of get_piece_from_bitboard but there really isn't much happening in that function

get_piece_from_index is just a wrapper on that

[glass jetty]

#define and &&
how?
i not found any tool in standard rust lang to do that

[real sierra]

in rust, print! is a macro is it not?

[tender river]

why would you do that

[real sierra]

this implies you can do things like that with macros

so they should be plenty powerful

[glass jetty]

with all other i decided not to learn lang further, out of basic concept missing only threading and async...

[real sierra]

oh wait you mean

[glass jetty]

everything that ! is macro

[real sierra]

just type &&

[tender river]

[glass jetty]

no

[real sierra]

"and" is more key presses anyway

[tender river]

stupid use case no need

[real sierra]

I think you just want lua

🥀

[nocturne olive]

My implementation, the .toMove() copies all the fields into a new Kotlin object

    fun getLegalMoves(board: Board): Array<Move> {
        val len = IntByReference()
        val movesPtr = nativeBindings.chess_get_legal_moves(board.value, len)

        val moves = Array(len.value) { i ->
            val offset = i * MoveByPointer().size()
            MoveByPointer(movesPtr.share(offset.toLong())).toMove()
        }

        nativeBindings.chess_free_moves_array(movesPtr)
        return moves
    }

[glass jetty]

;compile

#define then_ /*literally nothing*/
  int main(){if(not useSameOperators(i and you)then_{return rust bitand cpp;}}

funny stuff like

void foo(int bitand);
``` allowed xD

[real sierra]

just use lua

[tender river]

format_args! is actually a special case sadly https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/macro.format_args.html
another example of rust adding features that are useful but doing it in a non-principled way

[rigid snow]

this is the stupidest complaint ever

sorrgy

[real sierra]

Lua transpiler

[nocturne olive]

So not an issue with the compiler referencing the wrong thing

[real sierra]

problem solved

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, is this broken or fine?

[glass jetty]

why anime guys mostly prefer rust? just noticed

[sage crag]

jah

[rigid snow]

guys how #define in python help pls quick

[olive sable]

#notallanimeguys

[glass jetty]

no way to do that properly in interpret lang

[real sierra]

pip install c

[tender river]

ctypes

[rigid snow]

am not anime ❌

[glass jetty]

really, in rust im need only #define alternative

[real sierra]

just make your own

it's like a 10 line script

[rigid snow]

pls don't

[glass jetty]

waiting for cpp 2035 to invent borrow checker and rewrite std lib in functional style

[real sierra]

why not

[glass jetty]

yes, when you can run it before lsp run

[tender river]

have you ever looked at stl code

[real sierra]

just commit the expanded version

[tender river]

its written in its own style of programming

[nocturne olive]

So does anyone have any idea where the bug is coming from?

[glass jetty]

im actually need to recompile lsp for that? nah, i not want to, not like rust that much

[tender river]

something unlike code you find in any other codebase

[sage crag]

[glass jetty]

dont talk about cpp stl implementations

[shadow sinew]

You could run the C preprocessor on Rust code. Just saying..

[real sierra]

C so good it's even useful for other languages

everyone loves C

wait

[glass jetty]

ok, well, when i looked to i not found one, question is how to run it before lsp

lol c preprocessor is simplest program ever, surely you can, on any file actually

[real sierra]

can you theoretically #include rust source files

[sage crag]

yomi yori dt fc toro 019 2.5k pp

[real sierra]

cc -E -o <outfile> <infile>

[glass jetty]

L S P

BEFORE

i want ide support

[shadow sinew]

It's cpp on linux

[real sierra]

ok holy sorry for trying to help

[nocturne olive]

I guess everyone's now just ignoring my bug that's preventing me from continuing my Chess bot

[real sierra]

I go away

[sage crag]

ye try and communicate with people who dont want solution just want complain

Gallery

[clear sedge]

you did good shiro

https://tenor.com/view/good-job-konata-thumbs-up-anime-gif-19348497

[obsidian mantle]

its hard to help because we dont see anything

[glass jetty]

btw, there other flag to get all temp files, not only -E one
surely i know how to run only preprocessor
also, cc is what? cc is c++ variant, never heard about cc compiler (whole linux kernel, as i know, use gcc, but there is other compiler called cc? lol) {CC is the name given to the UNIX Compiler Command}

i wrote 2+ times that issue is rust_lsp-ide integration

[nocturne olive]

Well I'm trying to give you what you want but I can't tell what's going on exactly myself either

[shadow sinew]

Maybe you could try creating a reproducer for your issue?

[glass jetty]

i want lsp solution. that is different, in time i talk here i probably would go and actually recompile rust_lsp (lol not, but any further...)

[clear sedge]

this is cc on my machine

[nocturne olive]

Well I already put the relevant parts of the code into a GitHub issue

[sage crag]

cc stands for c compiler

[clear sedge]

yis

[sage crag]

its an alias to gcc on most systems

clang if your system had clang as default

[obsidian mantle]

i wanted to open kotlin bindings but there is only readme file

[nocturne olive]

You need to get then from my repo

[clear sedge]

there's also the c++ command on some systems

[nocturne olive]

There's a release for them

[obsidian mantle]

oh i opened readme

[nocturne olive]

Do note you should update the SO file

The one in the release is ancient

[sage crag]

source code in release?

why even use git

[nocturne olive]

What do you mean?

No source ccode, JAR file and SO file

[sage crag]

wait so git repo no source code at all

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[rigid snow]

how these watermarked images feel

[clear sedge]

surely you can set up jitpack to work with your repo

[nocturne olive]

I'm confused now

Don't confuse me

[clear sedge]

hi confused now

[nocturne olive]

The Git repo contains the code
The releases page has the JAR and SO

[sage crag]

then what person complain about

[clear sedge]

what if i use the kotlin bindings
with java

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[nocturne olive]

It should work fine

[amber fractal]

-# skill issue on their part mhm

[nocturne olive]

Just use 10x tokens

[clear sedge]

yis

both jvm languages

[sage crag]

java bot pick random move

[tender river]

[sage crag]

1024 token

[clear sedge]

the joke is java has a lot of tokens

[nocturne olive]

Well if anyone wants to try to reproduce the bug, my GitHub issue on the Chess API repo has the relevant parts of the code, and my KT bindings are found in my repo, you just need to get the latest SO file

[sage crag]

lymsmsmymamra

[glass jetty]

wtf is this xD

[maiden geyser]

no way

[rigid snow]

osu leaking again

[maiden geyser]

baited into checking r/osugame award

[rigid snow]

[formal quartz]

holy the chess interface works im so happy time to check all the methods before i bother shiro xD

[stark needle]

am i an anime guy or an anime girl

[amber fractal]

Void personified

[olive sable]

Neither

Femboy

[stark needle]

I AM NOT

[nocturne olive]

Whar is this silliness?

[sage crag]

doesnt even know

[rigid snow]

dose heknow?

[nocturne olive]

Confused

[rigid snow]

<-

[sage crag]

<-

[nocturne olive]

So I guess I won't know whar this silliness is then

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

mental pip

[real sierra]

does my pride and joy have more bugs

[real sierra]

numpy mental pip

[rigid snow]

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

im home

[clear sedge]

hi home

[rigid snow]

AlmostEmployedLilac

[formal quartz]

i still need some time
btw shiro we figured out how the whole threads thingy on windows works

[real sierra]

spoiler: it doesn't?

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

my assumption is it either only appears in win11 sdk or only in vs2022 tools

[formal quartz]

it does you have to use visual studio 2022 build tools command line to build the dll

[real sierra]

I was going to just replace threads.h with pthread.h for reasonable platforms and windows.h for everything else

to make everyone's lives easier

but it's a big refactor that needs lots of testing and I'm putting it off

[olive sable]

today i learned in school that a game is a game because we choose to follow the underlying rules that define the game
this sounds like a bunch of gibberish and that is because it is

[formal quartz]

i mean i am happy it works with the c files from main, guess its just kinda specific way to build the bot/dll

[rigid snow]

you can use whatever to compile it's just that it is a part of windows sdk which is a part of vs build tools

[real sierra]

no I think that's kinda fair

all games have arbitrary rules or objectives that are adhered to

to play the game is to adhere to those rules

[olive sable]

the guy brought up 25 philosophers on the topic, and sid meier for some reason

[real sierra]

even if you "cheat" by following a modified set of rules, you're just playing a modified game

[fair horizon]

The difficult path to make it run for the first time felt like a devilish entrance test lol

[rigid snow]

slow typer

[clear sedge]

skissue

[fair horizon]

Is math a game? Is programming a game?

[clear sedge]

life is a game

[olive sable]

just "game". the concept of game

[clear sedge]

oh god

the game.

y'all reminded me of it

[olive sable]

fuck you

[clear sedge]

now you have to go down with me.

[amber fractal]

You lose

[clear sedge]

:3

[olive sable]

cuz i do game-dev we have to first know what a game even is

so im learning about plato now i guess

not what i signed up for but ill take it

[formal quartz]

guess so, tho then i would have to fix my paths so i can use cl outside of the vs prompt

[amber fractal]

Working on FAQ and it is with great news that firefox is no longer required in the build process

[rigid snow]

The Game
American rapper, record producer and actor
Jayceon Terrell Taylor, better known by his stage name the Game or simply Game, is an American rapper.

[amber fractal]

Now it is time for some styling and proposed changes I wanted to do for awhile now

[real sierra]

I don't know that either of those really have rules or objectives

[olive sable]

btw i saw this image twice today. both my 1st and 2nd class had it in their presentations.

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

thats because this is a problem that plagues every field

[rigid snow]

:clasi c:

[fair horizon]

Axiomas could be said to be the fundamental rules of their respective fields of math

[amber fractal]

Programming is a game, the rules are of the language and the objective is to not fail compiling the program

[rigid snow]

the objective is to not get fired

arguably

[real sierra]

not a valid argument, choice of axioms is generally free, there are just common sets agreed upon per field which are reused for ease of communication

[clear sedge]

character encodings.

[rigid snow]

[clear sedge]

i choose to only support utf 8 with my game

[olive sable]

gltf based

[real sierra]

even so, study of axioms themselves escapes the confines of that rule so

[olive sable]

all others bad

[clear sedge]

gltf based on utf 8 due to json spec recommending utf 8 usage

[rigid snow]

strings are cringe

numbers

[clear sedge]

strings are just fancy numbers

[rigid snow]

use

[olive sable]

gltf uses numbers

[fair horizon]

Just like how in a lot of games the rules are chosen/determined at the start and after that the players play around it. The rules can be changed depending on the players preferences (ie "house rules")

[clear sedge]

i have yet to make a glb parser

i will not bother

shrimple as that

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

i want sleep but stream today

[real sierra]

I think much of mathematics does not involve explicit choice of axioms though

and I think people could introduce new axioms partway in as needed

[olive sable]

1st time was about definitions, and that you cant use a term without explaining it first cuz the godforsaken game industry reuses terms for a bunch of different things all the time.
2nd time was about the Y-up Z-up left handed right handed coordinate system shit

[real sierra]

so I don't think you can assume the rules are set at the "start of the game"

[rigid snow]

holy

[real sierra]

they took away my math thread, this is my only refuge

[clear sedge]

+x right
+y up
+z forward
any other system is doodoo asscheeks

[real sierra]

@timid knot do you remember the math thread

[olive sable]

im fine with Z-up. altho i prefer Y-up

[real sierra]

my 4D world disagrees

[fair horizon]

There are indeed cases where it is needed to add a new axiom, just like how in some games an unfair advantage is only detected while playing the game after which a new rule can be added while the game is ongoing

[timid knot]

Yes I do

[clear sedge]

i don't want to think about a fourth spatial dimension

[amber fractal]

I should check if anything uses X-up, Odds are something does

[olive sable]

according to Schell, fun = pleasure + suprises. i think it checks out

[clear sedge]

fun = writing your own gltf parser

[real sierra]

I don't think adding rules to a game is permissible

[timid knot]

I also remember the programmers refusing to share their space with math nerds

[real sierra]

otherwise it's a different game

[rigid snow]

fun = not programming
you should try it

[clear sedge]

no

programming is fun

[rigid snow]

not programming is more fun trust

[clear sedge]

i tried not programming

it's torture

[olive sable]

that was before i was here, so #programming was less cool back then

[real sierra]

they still don't want to but they don't get a choice

math thread was too low demand

[rigid snow]

this channel is #nerd anyway

who cares if it's math

[clear sedge]

i would never be a nerd

anyway, back to writing my own gltf parser

[fair horizon]

It is often done while playing games though (mostly in games where the rules are enforced by humans rather than a rigid system) and while that might change the essence of the game slightly, both the version before and after are still a valid game

[olive sable]

imma eat my cookies and watch some anime

[real sierra]

there's certainly existing formalisms for what constitutes a game, or at the very least particular subsets of games

[rigid snow]

stream in 50m

[olive sable]

dont care

i have to eat in 50 min

[real sierra]

almost certainly requiring the existence of rules, likely involving the existence of actions available to players, and possibly involving an objective

[rigid snow]

wow

ban sam

[olive sable]

lmao

[real sierra]

they may both be valid games but they are not identical games, so I would call them related games

so long as they share some of their rules

they are not the same game though

[olive sable]

imagine not watching every single dev stream because no deving actually happens, couldnt be me

[clear sedge]

btw chat look at this monstrosity

[real sierra]

so I think it impossible to call mathematics, broadly, a game, but individual mathematical pursuits may be related games

[clear sedge]

so. many. optionals. o_O

[olive sable]

it depends on what definition you use

[fair horizon]

I honestly do agree that a lot of math cant be said to be a game on its own. Though there are certainly subgenres where games and math mix into becoming the same thing (mostly referring to the field of game theory)

[amber fractal]

Seems like you put yourself up to that unless your forced to in 3d CAD software with legacy options

[real sierra]

seems like python typing

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/whyyy-gif-3239499918304579127

[amber fractal]

Too many tokens, bring optional into the main space smh

[olive sable]

one philosopher back in the day, some dead greek guy, said that a game is merely just finding a valid way to get to a desired solution within the rules of play

so math could count

[real sierra]

if you really want to get meta, all games must be related by the notion I gave, as they must all admit sufficient axioms for the definition of game to hold

[clear sedge]

i will NEVER use namespace std;

[fair horizon]

On its own the act of proving mathematical statements could still be said to be like a game. There is an objective and an existing ruleset of all statements before. You cant just make up a new axiom within a proof

[real sierra]

true enough

formal logic specifies this quite nicely

[clear sedge]

so many std

[real sierra]

you have a fixed length set of rules for deriving new implications

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

and may syntactically derive new rules (though they're really just applications of existing rules with new parameters)

that certainly feels like a game

[olive sable]

i would say math is a game, but its not always a fun game

and a game thats not fun to play is worse than one that is bad

cuz even a bad game can be fun

[real sierra]

that's only true if you're trying to make a fun game

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i woudl argue the point of making a game is for the player to gain soemthing from it unrelated to survival

like relaxation

[fair horizon]

Indeed, the less gamy part in mathbooks can be said to be the definitions that come before statements, though it could still be seen similarly to how games may introduce new elements between rounds

[real sierra]

but yeah I feel like since (not fun game) => (bad game) your statement holds trivially

[real sierra]

I would argue survival is a game

[olive sable]

hmmm

[amber fractal]

Seems about right for rage games

[fair horizon]

Amount of work that went into game != fun factor of game

[real sierra]

survival has rules and a clear objective

[olive sable]

enough philosophy for me today, im tired

[nocturne olive]

Wuh?

[real sierra]

did your AI dev partner wipe the codebase

[amber fractal]

Nope, I don't use AI

[real sierra]

W

people fall for LLM slop too easily

it's sad

[amber fractal]

What happened is that the replacement app I was planning on using for SVG -> PNG completly yeets styling

I didn't even notice until I was starting to edit the SVG

[fair horizon]

AI can certainly be useful for debugging and explanation, but using it to write code instead of you is iffy

[amber fractal]

I should actually say not for coding, I do rarely use it for research

[real sierra]

I have seldom found it useful for debugging and explanation that I couldn't already do myself

[fair horizon]

The usefulness drops when you become more proficient in the programming language

[real sierra]

generated code has never even been a consideration, I trust my 3am code to have fewer flaws and for them to be easier to find

[amber fractal]

I just wanted to not pull in 1.2GB for my github actions

[fair horizon]

AI is great at making code that looks right

[real sierra]

but this proficiency is a return on investment, the investment being writing the code yourself

AI can write code up to a certain level, and using AI you can code to that level basically for free

but you'll be stuck at that level I think

[fair horizon]

Yup, writing code yourself is simply the best way to improve at writing code, but I do still feel that AI can help in the learning process as long as you use it right

[amber fractal]

I am considering asking for examples out of AI because damn there is a lack of anything in these docs so I can buld a html tree https://tedboy.github.io/bs4_doc/generated/generated/bs4.Tag.html

[fair horizon]

If you use it to do the work instead of you then you don't gain anything, but if you use it to actually improve by gaining knowledge from it then it is useful. Since you have to look at a lot of information sources when programming regardless

[timid knot]

You weren't there when programming was changed to tech corner, then stem and finally was changed back to programming out of outcry. @real sierra surely remembers

[rigid snow]

#nerd forever

[fair horizon]

Also no harm in having it find a bug that you would otherwise spend 30mins on only to find out it is an off by one or sign error

[real sierra]

maybe an outdated mindset, but I think being able to read documentation is a skill as well

[fair horizon]

I 100% agree with that

[rigid snow]

all cryers went here #neurotic-neurons

[shadow sinew]

Anyone on Windows have the time to check if this patchset builds with MSVC?
https://github.com/ginkgo/2025-chess-bot-tournament/tree/main

I'm using C23 <stdbit.h> popcount functions, but I'm not sure if it's supported everywhere.

[fair horizon]

AI can be handy to see the broad possible paths while reading documentation is needed to see the details

[real sierra]

nobody argues over semantics like this channel does

even neurotic neurons can't match this level of technically correct

[timid knot]

Forgetting counting thread

[real sierra]

people here will die on hills you didn't know existed

[fair horizon]

Another one of the reasons why AI becomes less useful when you get better, since you will already know the broad paths while mostly having to check on the exact details that would be bothersome to memorize

[real sierra]

renaming this channel was hopeless from the start

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_semantics

[fair horizon]

What if the name is changed to all of the previous names combined together so that everyone is happy

[shadow sinew]

How bold of you to assume there's documentation.

[real sierra]

your mistake for using libraries with no documentation

write your own implementation

[amber fractal]

I'd like to read docs if they are real

[real sierra]

no docs = shit library

[fair horizon]

I suggest we xor the bits of all previous names and then use that as the name

[rigid snow]

i don't hab stdbit.h on msvc

everything latest

[tender river]

#ifdef _MSC_VER
#  include <intrin.h>
#  define __builtin_popcount __popcnt
#endif

[shadow sinew]

Yeah, that's probably the way to go..

[tender river]

only works on x86 since its a function that exposes the popcnt asm instruction rather than representing popcnt logic

but its windows

so nobody will run it on arm anyway

surely

non-msvc code not affected

[amber fractal]

Should I move to another library from the most used webscrapper framework because they have a lack of docs?

[tender river]

__builtin_popcount works fine on clang and gcc on any arch

[real sierra]

I've written my own web scraper

not hard

[fair horizon]

With docs?

[real sierra]

if you're the author you can document it in a way that you understand best

and if you're the only user that's plenty

I can write the code as well as more concise docs that I understand better in less time than it takes to install and learn a library with no docs

[amber fractal]

Fair enough, I'm using it in a fashion that is not really aligned with what it is used for. Probably half of this should be written in another language.

[real sierra]

*sometimes

[noble zodiac]

also respect services ratelimiting and don't just yolo scrape

[real sierra]

just implement your own popcount
"The PopCount routine" section has a nice impl

https://www.chessprogramming.org/Population_Count

[fair horizon]

Good code can be as comprehensive as documentation on its own

(mostly when it's self written code)

[amber fractal]

I'm not using it for scrapping I should say that first, which is the main issue

I'm mainly just using it for the html manipulation

[shadow sinew]

That's a bit silly considering all major architectures have special instructions for it.

[real sierra]

robots.txt

[shadow sinew]

Same with clz etc.

[real sierra]

I promise you this is not the bottleneck of the chess api

micro optimizations at risk of portability aren't worth

though if there is a simpler, portable solution then of course this is a pretty heavy handed solution to popcount

[noble zodiac]

two different things but that as well

[rigid snow]

no i will use selenium with recompiled patched chromium that is stealthily headless and has a legit user-agent and is passed through a residential proxy

[real sierra]

is it? I understood that that's typically where the rate limit is, among other crawler parameters

[rigid timber]

robots.txt only specifies which pages the crawler shouldn't try to crawl, and it's only for crawlers that actually obey that file

[real sierra]

I mean the conversation was about respecting ratelimits and not yolo scraping

[rigid timber]

robots.txt has nothing to do with ratelimits

[real sierra]

so surely that's identical to obeying robots.txt

[rigid timber]

and most stuff will just happily return 200s until it crashes instead of telling you to go away with a 429

[obsidian mantle]

wtf is robots.txt
rules for bots?

[hollow spruce]

yo

[rigid timber]

a ye olde file that people came up with during the age when crawlers were nice citizens of the internet

[uneven pulsar]

me fr

[noble zodiac]

a server can respond with a 429 Too Many Requests. And its just good manners to limit yourself to x requests per minute and not run as fast as possible

[real sierra]

obeying hard ratelimits instead of robots.txt you're all villains

[rigid timber]

good manners among crawlers don't exist nowadays

[hollow spruce]

developing is almost complete ✅✅

[uneven pulsar]

you need a birthday.txt
maybe it will work

[real sierra]

rate limited to 1 per year

[hollow spruce]

i might be offline another 2 days

bye

[uneven pulsar]

i was thinking "not in my dreams"

[real sierra]

watching someone strip huge amounts of copper wire

how much does that sell for

it's a decent gauge too

3cm ish across?

[rigid snow]

this is too coherent. who are you give account back

[noble zodiac]

nono, I mean both

[real sierra]

I mean you can't really not obey a hard rate limit

if they don't send you the data it is what it is

[rigid timber]

you can act as if you don't see the 429 and just send another few thousand requests, surely one of them will have a response

[rough bloom]

shrimply retry with another IP and user agent

[amber fractal]

Fun, the SVG rewrite is entirely blank white page 👍

I see the elements in the html, but they are not rendering

I forgot to specify what type of foreign object it was

[real sierra]

this reminds me of an old programming project of mine

[obsidian mantle]

hmm
kind of hit the wall making my bot
i have to either rewrite recursion entirely or see if i can free a bunch of tokens to implement some additional checks that seem too heavy rn

[obsidian mantle]

i can slightly adjust parameters so new bot beats the last one but it looks meaningless, the visible improve too little

[amber fractal]

I remeber this project here

[obsidian mantle]

also no guarantee that its not just new sequence that makes new bot in more favourable position

[real sierra]

someone remembers

[amber fractal]

I tend to remeber a lot of the projects chatters work on, part of the reason I decided to write the FAQ for this channel in the first place

[amber fractal]

Good luck with your CPU limit

[real sierra]

I admittedly don't know how you remember

seen as you joined after it happened

like, two seasons after it happened...

[rigid timber]

they went through every message you posted, of course

[amber fractal]

You brought it up in the past here

[real sierra]

makes sense

[rough bloom]

ye, there was a season 2

I was there

[real sierra]

that project was written mostly in java

[rigid snow]

java java java

[real sierra]

half java half lua

[rigid timber]

insert Superbox mentioning Kotlin here

[obsidian mantle]

but minecraft is literally java

[real sierra]

nono the Minecraft part was the Lua part not the java part

it worked by taking screenshots of the stream at regular intervals, downscaling and colour reducing them, and then converting them into a custom format that my program on the Minecraft computer could performantly render

[obsidian mantle]

write program in java which interfaces with another java thing

through lua

[real sierra]

java did the out-of-minecraft part and sent the custom format over a socket to the Minecraft program

[amber fractal]

Man I don't even know what season I joined in

[real sierra]

which was written in Lua to run on opencomputers "hardware"

[amber fractal]

I should know this considering I'm climbing up the ranks of active chatters

[rigid timber]

opencomputers... I still remember computercraft

last update 2016... I feel old now

[uneven pulsar]

happy bday @real sierra

[rough bloom]

I was referring specifically to the OpenComputers livestream thing, dunno if the swarm in general has some categorization like that

you'll have to ask NN about that

[amber fractal]

I'd rather not know if swarm has an ego contest about it

I'll take being in the top 100 chatters, I don't need to be an OG to be proud of that.

[real sierra]

when I said season I meant

meteorological season

[rough bloom]

words are hard

[real sierra]

I think I'm the only person in existence who uses "season" as a measure of time

[olive sable]

wdym?

one punch man s3 comes out next season

[rigid snow]

new season next season

[olive sable]

yep

that be how anime works

[lost hill]

It's just too informal for most cases. I use it occasionally.

But 99pc of the time, saying ‘quarter’ is just more elegant and eloquent

[real sierra]

quarter sounds too financial

very robotic and impersonal

I use season in casual contexts but people seldom understand

[dry charm]

Oh app is available

has someone REd the protocol yet?

[lilac lantern]

No public API for the lava lamp, there goes my dream of making a lava lamp simulator website

[dry charm]

we are going to just create one

IDK why bedal did not plan for a relay servers

so people can just host one and people can connect to the closest one

[lilac lantern]

I do have a barebones front end made up

With the actual lava lamp

[amber fractal]

Because that would be extra money and chat will do it themselves

[dry charm]

True

IT IS OBFUSCATEEEED NOOOOOOOOO

this is going to be pain

[lilac lantern]

Real oooooooo moment

[dry charm]

wtf it is a react frontend

[lilac lantern]

What's it called

[dry charm]

Swarm Sync

and I got the secret keys

uhoh

[lilac lantern]

[dry charm]

I cannot fucking see that emote other than as

[amber fractal]

I was thinking the exact same thing

[dry charm]

[amber fractal]

We love free debug option

[dry charm]

IT IS USING TUYA

WE CAN CREATE HOME ASSISTANT INTEGRATION

[trim valve]

assets/fixed_key.bmp arg clue

[amber fractal]

The reason I'm dissecting this is so I can build it all out of html instead of interleaving html and svg parts. It'll make it easier to theme, though I should see if I can shed the SVG part of it.

At this point, only the size clamp and background are still used

[dry charm]

[formal rampart]

I wonder, does Vedal have a github with projects the community can volunteer/contribute to?

[obsidian mantle]

game integration api?

[rigid snow]

ye game integrations

[formal rampart]

whatever they may be. Or perhaps offering subject matter expertise when needed.

[obsidian mantle]

it exists, game integration api

[formal rampart]

For my part: Certificates, PKI, cryptographic key management. More security related, but shrugs

[rigid snow]

if you can't or don't want to mod games there's https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1350968830230396938

[obsidian mantle]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1336984506489376779

[clear sedge]

ilovewritingagltfparserilovewritingagltfparserilovewritingagltfparserilovewritingagltfparserilovewritingagltfparserilovewritingagltfparser

[real sierra]

my data

[fair horizon]

Yes discord, please collect all of my thoughts, desires, hopes and dreams by all means

[tender river]

i have, it uses tuya

[dry charm]

I'M digging the code currently

[tender river]

i checked the js

its using tuya for fetching the lava lamp color

from neuro

its the obvious way of doing it but i wanted to use it without an app

[dry charm]

oh it is controlled from the lamp then

[tender river]

no

[dry charm]

wha

I cannot find the API url at all

[tender river]

the app uses the tuya sdk for fetching neuro lamp color from tuya servers

[dry charm]

oooh it is from tuya servers

dang

[tender river]

[dry charm]

wait, that must be some sort of proxy

since Vedal was afraid of ddos

[tender river]

its not about ddos

[dry charm]

ddos as in thousands of people connecting at once

not the actual malicious one

[tender river]

8k lava lamp apps downloading stuff from vedal servers is plain inefficient

while tuya has the infra to support it

btw https://app.vedal.ai/index.html

[rigid snow]

the website is so weird

why are they selling the app to me

"Clean and intuitive interface" "Designed for Neuro-sama fans" ???

[amber fractal]

I should have looked for AI ticks dang it

[dry charm]

love these classes

[rigid snow]

vibe ocded maybe

it doesn't make any sense

the product is the lamp not the app

[amber fractal]

I'd not put the possibility past him

[rigid snow]

security.com.thing

[glass jetty]

hate c#/java
2 programs is enough

thx god it failed and we no longer use that horrible c#-only lib

[dry charm]

huh

[nocturne olive]

Me: uses random application
Random application: has crashing bug
Me: panic
Random application: is written in Kotlin
Me: calm

[dry charm]

haaahaa its patchin time

[rigid snow]

this is why rust succeeded

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[nocturne olive]

Was a quick patch by the way

[dry charm]

I love kotlin

[nocturne olive]

Truly peak language

Neuro's voice is interestinly cleanly componented

[dry charm]

oh she doesn't have desending voice but rather it just tends

huh

cause you can sort of heart it having one

[rigid snow]

what does this sentence mean

[rigid snow]

like uuh rust is big because of that, random projects being written in rust and people using those projects and liking the language and contributing to them because of that

[nocturne olive]

See the very clean component lines in the spectrogram?

[rigid snow]

is this some sort of theory i don't understand

or never heard of

what components dude

[nocturne olive]

Just cleanly separated into specific frequency spaces

The thick white lines are where Neuro's voice is strong

[rigid snow]

as in not much noise

[nocturne olive]

It's just interesting how cleanly the parts in Neuro's voice stand out

[rigid snow]

here's my voice is it cleanly componented

[nocturne olive]

Those stripes kinda indicate so

Though there is also some stuff in between

[rigid snow]

background noise

or maybe not

breathiness is kind of noise

that

[real sierra]

can't someone reverse this to get an audio clip from you

[rigid snow]

i don't car

[real sierra]

ok just making sure

[rigid snow]

☀️

it's me saying aaaaaaaaaaaah

[real sierra]

you should send a few more so we can turn you into a vocaloid

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

doesn't seem like the worst addition to a digital footprint

[nocturne olive]

Silly

Everyone gets vocal synths now

[rigid snow]

you got me to mess around with utau

i mean us talking vocal synths

got me to try

[wide flicker]

the undertale fandom has destroyed my ability to perceive utau, for a moment i absolutely thought you were talking about undertale alternate universes

i havent even interacted with that fandom in over half a decade

[nocturne olive]

Teto or some other one?

[rigid snow]

nah i was mostly messing around with the banks themselves

not teto

[rigid snow]

like with the files

[nocturne olive]

Like trying to edit them?

[rigid snow]

yeah just exploring and trying to figure out how it works

[nocturne olive]

It just blends samples together one after another

[rigid snow]

i didn't say i didn't figure it out

i can't lyricize for shit though so probably am not going to ever use them

and covers are boring

[jovial dew]

Become me: I’m a coder nerd who found Vedal and Neuro by seeing the early stages of Neuro on their YouTube channel two months after starting to make an AI chatbot, NASaMI. “I love looking at this discord server and thinking to myself; ‘why do nearly none of these folks know how to code?’”

[amber fractal]

Wait, the default RGB shift I had for testing isn't that bad with these colors. I'll have to tone down the brightness a touch

Man I've needed this, just a break from working on its backend

[rigid snow]

perfect

[amber fractal]

That was me while attempting to use blending modes

[rigid snow]

deepfrying selected colors in an interesting way

[amber fractal]

It is blue biased so it makes sense

[amber fractal]

I didn't end up doing this because I couldn't get the text to still be white

[rigid snow]

it is day 67 of bime

[amber fractal]

I should include a bime counter in this mhm

[olive sable]

i watched american psycho with my sister

it was alright, a bit overrated tho

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/mlntcandy/bime/blob/main/src/timekeep.ts

in case you don't want to bother with the impl

[jovial dew]

If you want “X part of Neuro/Evil”, just sit down at a desk and start coding. It always seems to work.

[olive sable]

nah, at the very least you'd do some research first

[rigid snow]

just vibe it out

no research needed

[amber fractal]

ty, will get around to it once I finish the backend of this project

[amber fractal]

I was going to slow down the gradient but regretted it, so it stays

[olive sable]

i love how white text on yellow background is completely illegible

[amber fractal]

Yellow is very much cursed in that regard

[rigid snow]

blue is the darkest perceived color out of rbg yes

so yellow would be the brightest color outside of white in 3 bit rgb

[olive sable]

sure bro

colour theory and shit

[rigid snow]

it makes so much sense in my head i swear

it's not color theory

it's observation

[amber fractal]

Your gonna have to learn this

[olive sable]

i know

[rigid snow]

i don't have to

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

In my experience, color theory only sucks until it clicks

[rigid snow]

i don't even know what it's supposed to be

maybe i know a lot of it already

[olive sable]

my new mouse mat arrived today , i bought a big one cuz of my new deskspace

[opaque sigil]

colours icky

have fun keeping that thing clean

[olive sable]

its black so should not be noticable

[amber fractal]

It's just defining relationships between colours and some psychological effects of each

The latter is just saying X is color so of course the brain thinks of the color in that way

[rigid snow]

HOLY FUCK ITS THE LAST DAY OF SEPTEMBER ALREADY??

oh god

i'm so fucked

[opaque sigil]

[rigid timber]

time goes just a little bit too fast

[rigid snow]

bime does too...

[olive sable]

also my tablet cover order is "In production and locked"

[amber fractal]

bwaa

[olive sable]

bwaa

[tranquil junco]

hey folks. how's it going

[rigid snow]

i think i should be fine ish

it's not too late