programming

[sage crag]

fake shiro

[rigid timber]

[sage crag]

shiro chess api was a crypto miner

[clear sedge]

rugpull

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

i almost wrote rugbull

[amber fractal]

Shiro2 can you fill in the role of Shiro
(Do not ping the genchatter)

[sage crag]

maybe i will

ping

[clear sedge]

vedal?

[olive sable]

i wish linux had onedrive support

[clear sedge]

ping vedal? vedal ping?

[olive sable]

now i need to sue the website

[sage crag]

vedal already reading all of my messages because they are all automodded

[clear sedge]

what's the skull react for

[amber fractal]

You'll never get a payout because you are not real

[olive sable]

oh

lmao that was a typo

use*

[amber fractal]

It is better this way

[clear sedge]

i think there was a thing that added onedrive support via nfs bullshit once

[olive sable]

i need to make 5 simple props that fits the theme i chose by tuesday

[clear sedge]

idk if i'd recommend it

[olive sable]

i kinda ignored the simple part for the plant lmao

[amber fractal]

What is the theme

[olive sable]

i had 5 options, i chose eco house

had to make a pureref thingy, and now i need to find stuff on there and make them in blender

of the 1.8k tris, 1.1K are form the plant

[amber fractal]

That tracks

[clear sedge]

1.8k tris??

[olive sable]

ye

not that much in practice, but they said we'd be doing low poly stuff so i might need to simplify it

[amber fractal]

Optimization brain never dies

[clear sedge]

[olive sable]

triple A games use half a million tris on the main character alone so its not a big deal

[amber fractal]

You just split off the low poly version and keep the other ones for VRC world

[olive sable]

i need to get worried the moment i reach a billion cuz that might slow things down a bit on my laptop

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-jump-funny-benjamin-snape-hob0rg-hoborg-gif-21039651

[amber fractal]

Duck!

[clear sedge]

i use 0 tris on my main characteer

[olive sable]

btw, from my understanding the moment you cant reach 90fps they drop it to 45fps in vr to avoid screen tearing?

why dont they use variable refresh rate?

[amber fractal]

Something about render for each eye surely

[olive sable]

nah that cant be the issue

[amber fractal]

Beat saber I get 70ish

[olive sable]

you can easily render each eye att he same time, vulkan even has some stuff built in for that

[amber fractal]

Thanks FPS mod

[clear sedge]

i have my wivrn configured to 90hz

in practice i get about 20fps in vrchat

[olive sable]

wivrn?

[amber fractal]

I'm stuck on windows

[clear sedge]

reprojection makes up for it tho

[clear sedge]

L mindset
don't make yourself be stuck to windows
make windows be stuck with you

edit your registry files

all of them

make them random values

[amber fractal]

I raise you 128gb sata drive only

[clear sedge]

whAT

in the year of gaben almighty 2025

you're using a 128gb sata drive

[rigid snow]

windows is not real it doesn't have feelings it doesn't give a shit if you break it you'd just make your own experience worse

[clear sedge]

you're already using windows, you gave up your chance at a good experience

[amber fractal]

Had it around and didn't want to give the 2TB nvme that linux was running on

Surprisingly with 3 VR games I still have storage

[clear sedge]

[amber fractal]

Man my games on my ultralight never got over 100gb

[obsidian mantle]

fixed that
it was adding 0 points for mate because i forgot to add 1

[sage crag]

defiddle

[clear sedge]

[obsidian mantle]

now new bot wins old bot both sides

[amber fractal]

Minecraft is enough for me with the iGPU only

[sage crag]

no its not

osu

[clear sedge]

wait wtf i have stellaris installed

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

[amber fractal]

I tried, didn't work out the best for me

[sage crag]

play more

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

play less is not how good

[clear sedge]

just get a drawing tablet bozo

[tender river]

elvyn bug defiddle

[sage crag]

not need

more mouse player in top 10 than tablet player

input device choice is just choice

[clear sedge]

holy fuck

excuse you

huh

[amber fractal]

I couldn't even get an account setup back in whatever jank method I was trying to play osu! on

[sage crag]

she have all ranked maps

[sage crag]

osu!lazer

it native linux

[clear sedge]

osu.AppImage my beloved

[amber fractal]

I'll give it another shot, I think I just had a broken OS when I was trying to play

[rigid snow]

am i improving?

[sage crag]

what number is that

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

wdym ":evilNope:"

[amber fractal]

something something nixos

[sage crag]

appimage enemy of society

[rigid snow]

nooooo i am definitely improving

through osmosis

[tender river]

improving

through mitosis

[amber fractal]

A lot of my rhythm is beat saber still

[sage crag]

osu not rhythm game

[rigid snow]

geometry dash rhythm game ✅

[clear sedge]

gentoo mindset

[sage crag]

more rhythm game than osu

[sage crag]

gentoo mindset is use gentoo

no appimage mindset is based

[olive sable]

speakign about osu!, i have that tablet now. i coudl ttry the game again

[sage crag]

NOT NEED TABLET

[clear sedge]

YEST NEED TABLET

use the tablet

do it

succumb to the dark side

[olive sable]

you dont need it, but i do have it

[sage crag]

nesus mouse only player, nesus rank 4000 globally

[tender river]

mouse only

[sage crag]

ninerik mouse only player, ninerik rank 2 globally

[tender river]

[amber fractal]

I am not playing osu! on my jank as frick tablet setup

[rigid snow]

you should td

trust

[clear sedge]

no z/x???

[sage crag]

touch device man

[olive sable]

ok so like, do i use the tablet now or not?

[amber fractal]

Depends on you

[sage crag]

dont need to

[rigid snow]

for what

[olive sable]

thats not an aswer

[sage crag]

can, but it will ruin your tablet if you do

[olive sable]

it will?

[tender river]

(no konii silly)

[sage crag]

unless you hover rather than drag

the friction destroys the surface in no time

[olive sable]

huh

[sage crag]

and you will run out of pen nibs quickly

[rigid snow]

konii not everyone has 5k plays per month believe it or not

[clear sedge]

weak mindset, it just gives it personality

[sage crag]

it reduces resale value

[tender river]

ye some people have 10k

[sage crag]

get a tablet cover

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

mark it as "exotic" and bump the price up

[amber fractal]

Who needs resale value if you play until it is atomized

[sage crag]

need newer tech to remain competitive

[olive sable]

i didnt know the tips could break

[sage crag]

take care of tablet until then

[clear sedge]

newer isn't always better

[sage crag]

not break just friction

[clear sedge]

[olive sable]

i guess it does make sense cuz i got like 15 extras

[rigid snow]

exotic = greasy and sweaty and has a glossy rectangle the size of your area

[sage crag]

wrong new tablet isnt worn down by years of gaming

[clear sedge]

you get it

[clear sedge]

what if it was made in 2025 but updates once per second though

[amber fractal]

I feel like konii is trying to invite all of us to the cult side of osu

[sage crag]

why buy that tablet, is stupid

not high performance tablet dont use

[clear sedge]

see newer isn't always better

[rigid snow]

if you get addicted it's on you

[sage crag]

pick strawman get opinion validated

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

Could never

[sage crag]

osu not addictive

which is why you should play

you can quit whenever

[clear sedge]

gamblers:
smokers:
drinkers:

[rigid snow]

nicotine not addictive which is why you should smoke a pack right now

[sage crag]

noe i can quit whenever i want

[clear sedge]

do it

quit

[sage crag]

not want to

[clear sedge]

osu addict

[sage crag]

"quit breathing or breathing addict"

[rigid snow]

i am a breathing addict

[olive sable]

i dont have any plastic thingies that fit over the tablet

[clear sedge]

you heard it here first folks, osu is on the same level as breathing for konii

[olive sable]

its too big

[sage crag]

you have a single large brain cell

[rigid snow]

do you see yourself playing a ton

i'd say fuck it

[olive sable]

idk

[rigid snow]

i never used covers

[olive sable]

mooo

[rigid snow]

i have glossy rectangel

[clear sedge]

it is very large thank you for noticing

[rigid snow]

life good

[olive sable]

i paid 150 for this thing, ill make it last at least 5 years

[rigid snow]

i've seen someone use a phone screen protector

though that probably feels awful

[clear sedge]

a singular phone screen protector

[rigid snow]

yes

[sage crag]

gods please buy a tablet cover

[clear sedge]

small taablet?

[sage crag]

its like £20

[rigid snow]

small area

[sage crag]

small area

[rigid snow]

iirc top player

[clear sedge]

omg you made konii stop speaking caveperson for a bit

[olive sable]

oooh

they have ones with designs on them

[rigid snow]

i haven't played in so long i don't even remember what my area is

[olive sable]

aight ill buy a cover

[sage crag]

you can make custom cover

[clear sedge]

capitalism

[rigid snow]

put femboylilac

[sage crag]

https://foxbox.io/collections/tablet-covers
go here

[olive sable]

what design should i get tho?

[rigid snow]

sam

[olive sable]

nooo

lmao

[sage crag]

pick tablet and add png

[olive sable]

femboylilac is at 19 stars, its almost on staboard

[tender river]

go here

https://foxbox.io/promo/koniifer and buy a tablet cover

[olive sable]

page not found

does konii have an actual referal link?

[obsidian mantle]

actually evaded stalemate. real life situation
(its a pawn getting promoted to rook)

[sage crag]

no

[olive sable]

ooh

booo

[sage crag]

dumleaf try get me banned

[olive sable]

PTH-660

[rigid snow]

i have to fix my nginx setup for tomorrow which is in like 10 hours

i don't want to

[olive sable]

then dont and deal with it tomorrow

[sage crag]

why did you buy old intuous

[rigid snow]

noooooo i have to

[sage crag]

intuos

[olive sable]

cuz it wasnt 300 bucks

[rigid snow]

used

probably

[sage crag]

5 year old tablet

intuos tablets are good for games though

[olive sable]

2017 so 8 years old

[sage crag]

high report rate

[olive sable]

ok

thats good i guess

[rigid snow]

"ok"

[sage crag]

use opentabletdriver

dont use wacom garbage drivers

[rigid snow]

he does

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i do

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

or use opentabletdriver embedded in lazer

SFA

[sage crag]

tablet filter

useful

[rigid snow]

no filter need

[olive sable]

???

[amber fractal]

I remember seeing native tablet options in hyprland

[sage crag]

i use filter

[sage crag]

kde also have but

nothing as good as OTD

[rigid snow]

stan full area

[sage crag]

full area

[olive sable]

what

[rigid snow]

konii how do you not know what sfa is

these newgens smh

[sage crag]

my rank is higher than yours

[rigid snow]

so?

[amber fractal]

oldge is only a debuff

[sage crag]

me destroy

[olive sable]

my rank is lower cuz i have a life, occasionaly

[rigid snow]

i also kind of don't play the game but don't tell anyone

[sage crag]

no comment

[olive sable]

ok so what is this filter stuff about i needed to do?

[tender river]

❌

fake

[sage crag]

dont use filter yet dont need

maybe temporal resampler

[rigid snow]

if you're gonna use full area don't even think

[tender river]

✅

[rigid snow]

not need

[tender river]

think bad

[olive sable]

uh

how do i know if i use full area?

[sage crag]

[tender river]

you do already

[sage crag]

area, full

[rigid snow]

sam compare this

[olive sable]

oh

i see

[rigid snow]

to this

[tender river]

i use full area but smol tablet

[sage crag]

rrr

[glad path]

i use like 10% of the area on my trackpad

and same for mouse

[rigid snow]

trackpad

[sage crag]

mouse area

[glad path]

is 4x sensitivity a lot

for some reason i feel like people use higher

sorry mb

4.05x

[sage crag]

@native surge

[tender river]

chat what is your tablet area for game of 15

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS69K9xcW8o

[sage crag]

1

[rigid snow]

i have tried absolute positioning on my laptop trackpad in osu some years ago. it's absolutely ass

finger bad pointing device

[sage crag]

steamdeck trackpad ok though

[rigid snow]

maybe small enough

[glad path]

macbook trackpad absolute unit

[rigid snow]

not 6" or whatever macbooks have

which is what i have

[glad path]

macbooks have really good trackpads for whatever reason

[olive sable]

so uh, is using full area in osu bad?

[sage crag]

its choice

[rigid snow]

try for yourself

[glad path]

i use raw input + 4x sensitivity

[sage crag]

atypical though

[olive sable]

i need to figure out how to install osu first

[sage crag]

osu.ppy.sh

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

wait use arch?

paru -S osu-lazer-tachyon-bin

[olive sable]

im on arch

or well, cachyos

[rigid snow]

tachyon

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

ye

[olive sable]

why not sudo pacman -S osu-lazer cuz thats what i saw online

[glad path]

you can literally see the individual movements of the mouse in my cursor trail (its very blocky looking sometimes)

[sage crag]

osu-lazer is a generic package, use either osu-lazer-bin or osu-lazer-tachyon-bin

those are the official ones

[olive sable]

weird choise but sure

[glad path]

choice*

[olive sable]

semantics

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

❌

spelling

[olive sable]

sam-antics

[tender river]

semantics now

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

we do'nt judeg englise level her

we #programming very friend

[sage crag]

me evil

[olive sable]

sometimes yes

[rigid snow]

konii do you have nightly build

2.0.1 too old

[tender river]

i have

not release

[sage crag]

noe

not rolling release sorry

stable distro

[rigid snow]

distro of what

[clear sedge]

debian

[sage crag]

konii

[olive sable]

im not sure what ims upposed to do here 😅

[rigid snow]

😅

[sage crag]

press q

[olive sable]

oh

i thought that woudl stop the install

i never use paru, i mainly use pacman

[tender river]

no aur

[rigid snow]

aur bad

[clear sedge]

aur naur

[tender river]

vedal end stream want ssleep

[rigid snow]

4:25:10

4:25:10 since live stream started

[tender river]

[olive sable]

osu stole my mouse

[tender river]

[olive sable]

fullscreen breaks hdr

why must hyprland be so broken?

[sage crag]

used hdr on anything that wasnt kde or gnome

[olive sable]

hdr looks good as long as i dont take a screenshot or fullscreen anything

[rigid snow]

haitch dee arr

[tender river]

new pb??????

35 moves

https://15puzzle.uk/?pro

[sage crag]

what channel is this again

[tender river]

programming

this is programming

https://github.com/ske7/15-Puzzle

[rigid snow]

❌#osu

[tender river]

#10 on moves lb if submitted

world class player

its not like everyone else plays offline in standalone clients

[olive sable]

aight, this will be my 2nd time playing osu!

[rigid snow]

do i open the game too the first time in like 5 months

or do i fix nginx

[olive sable]

i already have an account apparently

[sage crag]

ore

[rigid snow]

mining

[violet harness]

is pyannote the way to go for speaker diarization?

[glad path]

iron ore

[olive sable]

it would seem liek i have major skill issue

[rigid snow]

me too

i am not rusty i am dust atp

[tender river]

i sleep in 2 minutes

[jagged turtle]

(does vedal usually let streams go on for 6 hours when it comes to long streams?)

[glad path]

15 viewers

[jagged turtle]

jp experience

[olive sable]

i get stressed cuz theres so much shit happening on the screen so i end up going too fast

osu is hard

[rich ibex]

TIL don't enable anisotropy on your shadow map samplers

[rigid snow]

my hand hurts

time for another 6 month hiatus

pro gramig

[glad path]

then play easier maps

[olive sable]

im on a 1.2 star map tho

or the difficulty rating

not star

idk

[glad path]

how

play the tutorial then

"new beginnings"

turn has leaderboard off

[olive sable]

im just bad lmao

[glad path]

tutorial isl ike 0.8 stars

[olive sable]

i did the tutorial

[jagged turtle]

how did you go on the tutorial

[olive sable]

D

at least im improving, i got B on a 1.5 star map

enough osu for today tho

[jagged turtle]

no wonder the overlay says you're a new player (apparently)

[rigid snow]

[nocturne olive]

Oh Sam playing osu?

[olive sable]

stalker

[olive sable]

ye

[nocturne olive]

Cool

I just played it too

Them numbers are numbering I guess

[olive sable]

just hypothethically, can people see what maps you have played?

[rigid snow]

yes

[olive sable]

oh

[nocturne olive]

On your profile yes

[rigid snow]

why did you bring it up then

[jagged turtle]

maybe

[olive sable]

cuz FMs already wa slooking at our profiles

let me jsut quickly delete my account

[rigid snow]

ktrain stop stalking

[nocturne olive]

I can play basically any 3* range map at least pretty well, usually A rank sometimes S rank, 4* maps vary but often I can clear low half 4* and sometimes high half 4*, I have cleared like one 5*

I hate MarkDown sometimes

[jagged turtle]

???

[rigid snow]

btw osu has a strict one account policy. if you manage to delete the account somehow, creating a new one is a nono

[jagged turtle]

you can delete the account

but yeah it means you can never create an account in the future according to rules

[rigid snow]

did they make it an actual button thoughj

[jagged turtle]

yes I think?

[olive sable]

are there no privacy settings?

[jagged turtle]

wdym

[rigid snow]

just don't share your account name?

[nocturne olive]

Why would you want to hide what maps you play anyway?

[rigid snow]

or play offline

[olive sable]

i dont want people to see what maps i play

[nocturne olive]

It's just a silly game about clicking circles, who cares what maps you play

[jagged turtle]

well then just don't share your username ever?

I would also say dont use discord integration either but seems you are already doing that

[olive sable]

ye

[rigid snow]

like sam you're not embarrasing yourself more than me

impossible

[nocturne olive]

It's cool that osu works natively on Linux, very rare

[olive sable]

you'd think huh

[jagged turtle]

btw poll: do you all play stable or lazer

[nocturne olive]

Lazer

[jagged turtle]

based on this comment I'm assuming lazer for superbox

[olive sable]

idk, i think lazer

[rigid snow]

you're on linux you are

[nocturne olive]

Oh Stable doesn't run on Linux native?

[jagged turtle]

you can use wine to play stable if you want

[rigid snow]

stable is windows only and macos through wine semiofficially i think

[nocturne olive]

Well anyway I have a requirement to sleep

[jagged turtle]

wine stable also works on linux last I remembered but I haven't seen anyone do that in a while

if true

[olive sable]

whats the diffrence?

[jagged turtle]

lazer is oss

and not spaghetti code

[rigid snow]

uhh lazer is basically a rewrite

that too

[jagged turtle]

and also is still being developed

those are the main programming points

or smth idk

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

don't even think about stable, lazer is so much nicer

[jagged turtle]

tf is a stable

[olive sable]

anyways now a more pressing issue. what image shoudl i put on the tablet cover?

[jagged turtle]

you're in neurocord so... that answers the question for you

[olive sable]

no

[jagged turtle]

put evil on there

[rigid snow]

or neuro

or bpth

[olive sable]

i woudl like it to be socially acceptable for my family and friends

[rigid snow]

neuro is family friendly

[jagged turtle]

wdym neuro and evil are socially acceptable

[olive sable]

thats diffrent

also no she's not

[rigid snow]

you uhhh don't watch vtubers do you

[olive sable]

i do

which is why i wont put any on there

[rigid snow]

put this on the cover

[olive sable]

[glad path]

lazer

sam just put a solid color

[olive sable]

nah

hmmm

[rigid snow]

sam put this on cover

[olive sable]

ill stop taking suggestions form chat

[jagged turtle]

final suggestion (yes this was on canvas)

[olive sable]

[glad path]

osu?

just osu logo?

[olive sable]

no

[glad path]

or just a picture of your family?

or your name?

idk

[olive sable]

i dont think i have a picture of my family

[glad path]

put an image of the tablet

on the tablet

[jagged turtle]

what is socially acceptable then

[rigid snow]

sam i found this in my downloads folder dated 9th of february 2025 put this on cover

[olive sable]

thats what im trying to figure out

[jagged turtle]

"wtf why is the tablet not working"

[jagged turtle]

be the change you should be

if neuro and evil are not socially acceptable yet they better be soon

[olive sable]

what is the amount of stars needed for starboard again?

[jagged turtle]

20? idk

[rigid snow]

depends on channel

[glad path]

genchat is 10

livechat is 30

art is also 30 i think

nn is probably like 15

[olive sable]

oh

ok its 30 then

[glad path]

its probably like 10 here

[olive sable]

femboylilac is at 21 rn

[glad path]

why you counting that

[olive sable]

idk

i think it would be funny

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i should rewatch black clover sometime

[glad path]

we should just test to see how much starboard is here

[sage crag]

at everyone

[olive sable]

iirc it was 20 wehn i did the triangle art

[cobalt sigil]

lmao i like this

[glad path]

lol

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

i don't understand why this isn't socially acceptable

or anything i've suggested really

[olive sable]

well you see

[olive sable]

imagine having to expalin that to your grandma

[rigid snow]

she would NOT ask

[olive sable]

thats not the point

[glad path]

that is cursed

[amber fractal]

@olive sable bwaadow tablet

[olive sable]

ok you make a good point

[sage crag]

tablet

[olive sable]

who has all the image files for all the bwaa's?

[amber fractal]

uhhhhh

[rigid snow]

what is a bwaa's

[glad path]

peak

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

all i have

[olive sable]

no bwaas?

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-megamind-meme-no-bitches-bitches-confused-gif-25108008

[amber fractal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1328457341741568102/1332012974495502357/bwaadow.png?ex=68daa940&is=68d957c0&hm=32f5b6d1e821a3d20b78a2693d4e57217f89f3d6af2d36c7976561c0ca7e283a&

That took a bit to find

@olive sable How many of them do you need?

[olive sable]

im not sure yet

im still thinking about how ill do this

[amber fractal]

Hard to do more than two

[olive sable]

wdym?

[amber fractal]

Assuming you wanted more than one of the bwaas on it

[glad path]

https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/2221577#osu/4775586 ok i swear to god

this is NOT 2.44

[rigid snow]

2*

[amber fractal]

Welcome to #osu again

[glad path]

yay i finally beat this one map

2.8

[jagged turtle]

let's find out

[glad path]

got 9 pp from it yay

[glad path]

we're trying to find out...

[jagged turtle]

yea

[glad path]

https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/53810#osu/204971

[amber fractal]

I remember 20 from the triangle art as well

[glad path]

why am i able to beat this (2.81) all of a sudden

[olive sable]

i think you might need liek 40 in #1095941852068331560

[jagged turtle]

I can see why

what about #1336777692070023271 and #1095948590947500113 tho...

[amber fractal]

I think 20 by default, not sure if any customs exist

[jagged turtle]

.

[amber fractal]

at least not any overrides I know of for those channels

[glad path]

i think its 10 by default

[flint dome]

(reposting question as when I asked it earlier people didn't know the answer)

chat random question off topic (sorry to interrupt), but if anyone knows feel free to let me know

how do i exactly get started in hardware reverse engineering? i.e., i have a basic idea, but how do i exactly go about it (i can read the circuit and probably model it too in an fpga if needed, build a shitty oscilloscope/logic analyzer or buy one if needed, reverse engineer software to some extent, but how do i exactly get the machine to let me dump the flash via jtag or sniffing the bus). basically, what i want are some sort of resources anyone can point me to in the right direction so that i can read and figure out myself

[glad path]

neuro-network is 10 stars

genchat is 10

i think default is 10

[amber fractal]

Dittoing the answer from earlier but with my own spin, we have a massive lack of hardware people. Your best bet is in #1337733692709146674 as they have a few more hardware guys, but beyond that I don't have much to add personally.

I don't know the last time someone has actually came in with a hardware project. Even then, most of them are in the above thread

[tight tinsel]

osu in programming?

[flint dome]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[amber fractal]

I was in here when you first asked

[flint dome]

im one of the 3 guys working on that project bro

[amber fractal]

well frick

I am clueless then

[flint dome]

yeah that's why I'm asking

[rigid snow]

do it

[amber fractal]

Honestly though, it has been like at least months. None of the regulars are into hardware, wish we had more of those folks but the channel being called #programming doesn't help

My bad for assuming, that proves I need to keep better tabs on #1337733692709146674

[olive sable]

bwaa bwaa bwaa

[rigid snow]

also music production and osu ✅

[amber fractal]

Both of those are unstated exceptions

[rigid snow]

the first one apparently is stated

[amber fractal]

Mainly by superbox

[rigid snow]

he doesn't really do production though

he sometimes does mixing and vocal synth tuning, but he mostly works on the damn synth

[amber fractal]

I mostly just do minor lyric work, I still just work with the other faces here

[rigid snow]

me and @hard raptor and she said today that she checked with the mods

apparently nerdy enough for programming chat

[olive sable]

imagine doing music production

[rigid snow]

fr go prompt suno or some shit

[olive sable]

its not like i have an unpaid music producer working for me rn

[rigid snow]

you're paying in exposure

[olive sable]

i should probably start paying my employees eventually

[rigid snow]

$20 steam gift card

[olive sable]

ah yes

[rigid snow]

per year

[olive sable]

per released game

(0 so far)

wait, 1 actually

idk if i want to count game-jams

[rigid snow]

you can

nobody’s stopping you

[olive sable]

that doesn't really feel like a game but more like a one-off with a lot of compromises

[amber fractal]

You are Not paying me

[olive sable]

i know where you live

[amber fractal]

[rigid snow]

forced payment

[olive sable]

imagine getting shot for trying to pay someone

[flint dome]

there were two more people but one got busy with life and one is in indonesia

[rigid snow]

computed

[flint dome]

im sure computed will be fine (all we can do is hope )

[olive sable]

i did think that i havent seen him as of late

what going on there in indonesia?

[amber fractal]

Not for this server imo

[rigid snow]

yeah…

[olive sable]

oh

[flint dome]

something close to a rebellion I guess

[olive sable]

[flint dome]

can't go any further beyond that

[olive sable]

huh

i hope he's alright

[flint dome]

well he did last message us like almost a month ago but said he'll be fine

no wait, apparently he did also message 10 days ago and talked to shiro

[rigid snow]

he popped in here like a week ago

yeah

[flint dome]

yeah he'll be fine

[fast pagoda]

mfw havent been able to do any chess bot because wedding

and now i have site to fix so i still cant

(not my wedding, my sister's)

[amber fractal]

aw dang it

[fast pagoda]

lol

[radiant anvil]

Hey, does anyone know any good websites for machine learning resources?

[olive sable]

youtube

[amber fractal]

Nice to know that until the backend for the FAQ functions, the SVG to PNG action still works

@jagged turtle Thanks for the free test

[amber fractal]

-# Honestly I'd want it to be a webp because discord now supports those in the gif picker but that is beyond me at the moment

If beautifulsoup4 had any useful docs besides saying functions exist, I would have been done with the backend by now.

I should really take a break and do some styling. I think that'd be a nice change of pace.

Tasks for another day

[fast pagoda]

like as a concept or, that's a very wide question

[amber fractal]

Follow up question, what are you looking to do. Like LLM or something like Audio synthesis?

[fast pagoda]

there's a lot included in "machine learning" as well, you could be talking about perceptrons, transformer decoder models like current LLMs, something like alphago & its self learning reinforcement + search, old stuff like support vector machiness for binary classifiers etc etc etc

[olive sable]

I should sleep

I have school in 4 hours

Aight, goodnight

[fast pagoda]

https://youtu.be/aircAruvnKk i liek this seriees if u want a decent overall idea of what a typical "neural network" someone might refer to off hand is going to be, good amount of info w/ great visualizations but aimed towards a beginner perspective so it avoids being overly complex, but again this is a very small subset of machine learning (the popular one to refer to now and primary driver behind the current "ai boom"). it goes into transformers and embeddings by the end

[fast pagoda]

goodnight sam

[opaque sigil]

stoopid machine go brrrr

[jagged turtle]

np glad to see it went well

[nocturne olive]

Well as I get better at synth usage I go more towards production as the synth gets more powerful and usable

I'm also doing a lot more sillying with Teto these days on the side

[nocturne olive]

I've been wasting way too much time on making Teto Finnish

[nocturne olive]

The Sam has awakened

[balmy nacelle]

curious, when you design a game with stats/costs how do you go about balancing it? Do you generally have rules or ideas or is it just trial and error until something feel right

[obsidian mantle]

I would just play and see if something is off

Different situations

[balmy nacelle]

ic... this is gonna be some horrendously long testings then lol

[nocturne olive]

Just add cheats to the game to quickly get to the parts you want to test

[nocturne olive]

PIP for some weird reason decided it would be funny to forcibly download every single Torch version
Oh I hate Python

[rare bramble]

uv has made python dependencies a little more manageable for me

[rigid snow]

turns out the setup probably isn't broken and i'm just blindge and didn't notice the particular service that we aren't able to access is down

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

that was the issue how the fuck did we all not notice

fml i need access to something urgently but then remembered the guy responsible for that is on a fucking plane

tf do i do

no way the credentials from the deployment config still work

i'm saved but concerned

[nocturne olive]

Someone is being silly enough to download the entire subathon from my FTP

[rigid timber]

with your upload speed it would probably be faster to put that on a SD card and send it via carrier pigeon...

[nocturne olive]

I don't know why my FTP server is slow, I have plenty of speed available but it just doesn't use it

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl bro, v3.1-terminux came out like a WEEK ago

[rigid snow]

api costs cut by how much

[cosmic sphinx]

the output price cut

[rigid snow]

that’s crazy

[cosmic sphinx]

this is comparable to 2.5 flash lite

[rigid snow]

does flash lite have reasoning i don’t remember

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah, it does

[rigid snow]

well let’s hope deepseek does less tokens

of reasoning

[cosmic sphinx]

wasnt R series their only reasoning model

[rigid snow]

it was a rl tune of v3 yeah

v3.1 has reasoning built in

[cosmic sphinx]

mm, havent used deepseek in a while

[rigid snow]

that’s what you get if you turn on reasoning in deepseeks ui now

i don’t see why v3.2 wouldn’t have reasoning

[cosmic sphinx]

im still gonna be sold on flash-lite though, the answer speed is just ridiculously fast with that model

[stark needle]

interview in 30min im so cooked

[rigid snow]

gl

[sick owl]

This looks a lot more interesting than terminus

After using distrobox on bazzite for a bit I think I may be in love with universal blues take on Linux

Its so convenient

[obsidian mantle]

What do you use it for?

[faint sandal]

? no j*b

[obsidian mantle]

No j*b

[sick owl]

Oh my god my routers admin page is exposed to the open web

Why the fuck is that the default setting

Whew okay at least its not the default password

Still I gotta run some improvements lmao

[stark needle]

i might have cooked or i might be cooked

i instantly solved 1 java question the other one not so sure

[obsidian mantle]

What was the question

[stark needle]

one was they had basically a counter with a static variable and then instantiated 2 cats and 3 dogs tht inherit and put up the counter then had a loop that put up the counter 5 times for each

but like since it's static they were all modifying the same counter

so it would be a bug in the code basically

where it'd print the same counter twice

and the ohter one was a linear search algorithm and i had to say which is the highest value in an array but i'm not sure if it was a pass by value trap because there was a function that would instantiate the array values

but the behavioral interview i extremely cooked i think

[obsidian mantle]

[stark needle]

i now hope they take me

pls

i need money

[maiden geyser]

not even afraid of a j*b?

[stark needle]

dude i'd kill for a job

[rigid snow]

you stop being afraid of them when you reach negative bank account numbers

[stark needle]

im 4 digits positive and i still want a job

i mean 5

[worldly plank]

Which currency, if I may ask?

[opaque sigil]

0.0001

[rigid snow]

$100.00 <- 5 digits

[stark needle]

swiss francs

[worldly plank]

1 Swiss Franc = 1.26 USD, I think?

[rigid timber]

I wonder, would the chess rules allow running WASM from an embedded buffer of ints... technically it's "executing code via an existing language feature", but there's no other way to use WASM except loading from another file which is very obviously disallowed bc filesystem access... and it's running a different language

[opaque sigil]

write a .wat file

[rigid timber]

well yeah, I'd do that, but you can't exactly import that

[dry charm]

Uhh, are you sure?

[obsidian mantle]

Is it an office job or remote

[rigid timber]

oh wait, you totally can

[sick owl]

Fairly yeah, my external IP, port 8888, loaded on external network

[dry charm]

Aren't SOHO routers supposed to run a pretty locked firewall on WAN ?

[obsidian mantle]

Office job was fun for me first 2 years
Then its

[dry charm]

What in the actual fuck

[sick owl]

I think its my ISP that's at fault

[rigid timber]

I wonder how would wasm token counting work

[sick owl]

Left stuff open during router setup or something

Crazy work

[dry charm]

That is horrendously fucked up

[sick owl]

Thank god I thought to audit or I'd never have caught this

[dry charm]

Especially cause the version and router type is out in the wild, it just takes 1 google to search for vuln

[dry charm]

Yeah holy shit

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/antlr/grammars-v4/tree/master/wat you have no excuse now

[sick owl]

Makes you wonder how many less technically literate people's setups are just left wide open like that without ever getting caught

[rigid timber]

you can't import wats tho, you have to compile to wasm first

[sick owl]

I mean hell you can just brute force a router panel like that

[stark needle]

4 days office 1 day remote

[sick owl]

Its not like it has password timeout

[rigid timber]

would the wat count as the source code?

[dry charm]

I mean, it makes sense why there are hunders of thousands of printers available in the wild

[opaque sigil]

why would it not

[rigid timber]

I mean, fair

can't hyper-optimize token count by executing an arbitrary binary buffer

[opaque sigil]

you still can I think, you'll just have to keep it as an array of uint64_t's

[rigid timber]

ah yes, uint64_t in JavaScript, that's totally a thing

I'd have to either do BigInts and do some handwaving or just submit to the Number gods and keep it as 32-bit numbers

[opaque sigil]

byte array

looks like BigUint64Array is a thing

[rigid timber]

oh, so it is, I forgot about that one

tbf since one can simply import { whatever } from 'wherever.wasm', I'd think executing wasm from a binary buffer would run afoul of the arbitrary execution rule...

I didn't bother to check that one before so now my entire line of questions is irrelevant

[shadow sinew]

In C you can define an arbitrary binary buffer constant using strings with "\x01\xAB\xCD\xFF" hex escape sequences. The token counter counts such a string as a single token. I'm sort of considering encoding NN weights that way but I'm not sure if that's allowed.

[rigid timber]

pretty sure someone was already doing that

[opaque sigil]

as long as you don't put more than 8 bytes into each string it's fine

[rigid snow]

i did bigint for bitboards in my node bindings

[shadow sinew]

Why? The string can be arbitrarily long. Just cast it to an array of ints or floats or whatever.

[nocturne olive]

You just need to split into 64-bit chunks, as each literal token is only allowed to carry 64 bits

[opaque sigil]

because that's one of the rules, each token may not encode more than 64 bits of information

ideally the token counter would do this for you but gl getting chay to implement that

[shadow sinew]

Wouldn't a variable name with more then 8 characters already have more than that?

[opaque sigil]

no, variable names contain no data

none that you can meaningfully use at least

just don't want people to abuse strings for storing arbitrary amounts of data since that kind of defeats the whole point

[shadow sinew]

Is a NN bot even possible then?

[rigid snow]

yes just pack weights into u64s

[shadow sinew]

But don't you need at least thousands of weights to do anything useful?

[rigid snow]

that’s why you do ternary or 4 bit

binary probably would not work for chess

[shadow sinew]

Hm, right.

[rigid timber]

I also did bigint for the Deno bindings, just forgot that BigUint64Array exists

[rigid snow]

yeah typed arrays are goated

[rigid timber]

could also do some compression shenanigans, Node has that built-in

[rigid snow]

omg you’re right

[shadow sinew]

That's one of the downsides of using C. The stdlib is almost nonexistent.

Might be an excuse to use Zig..

[clear sedge]

just use the posix libraries and say "fuck you" to anyone compiling on windows

ez

[shadow sinew]

That's against the rules I think. Standard libs only.

[opaque sigil]

no grammar

[tender river]

can write it lexer easiest part of parsing

not me me busy

[opaque sigil]

i'd unironically rather just use c++ at that point

[tender river]

c++ good stdlib

[opaque sigil]

speaking of c++

[tender river]

and by good i mean big

[opaque sigil]

is there a way to do static dispatch without basically killing the language server's ability to do anything

[tender river]

concepts maybe

[opaque sigil]

sadly no

[tender river]

lsp skill issue

[opaque sigil]

not wrong tbf

[glass jetty]

where

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

crtp kind of works but it still gets ruined once you need to actually take the base class as a parameter

[glass jetty]

no

[rigid snow]

it’s sitting right beside me

[glass jetty]

[tender river]

segtrees are the only data structures i miss in stl its pretty comprehensive otherwise

[glass jetty]

so many to start with

[shadow sinew]

Meanwhile Zig std comes with stuff like json parsers and http servers.
https://ziglang.org/documentation/master/std/

[glass jetty]

thats like not std stuff...

[tender river]

json doesnt belong in stdlib too many ways to do it

[shadow sinew]

It's in the std namespace..

[clear sedge]

js std has json

[glass jetty]

future, async, all hash, init_list, noexcept move constructors, std::string (no utf in 2029),

and many more to complain about, but mainly language standard itself

[rigid snow]

i fucking wonder why

[tender river]

ye fine in js

[clear sedge]

no clue

it's a mystery

[tender river]

c++ coroutines horrible design

[glass jetty]

dont say that

they designed nice

issue is implementation

they supposed to be zero-cost-abstraction, but somehow they are not

any way, for any async work they are great

can be placed in ANY lib, no matter what lib use

[clear sedge]

async in c++ just makes me wanna use java

[glass jetty]

they can be used with interrupts in ez way

[glass jetty]

skill issue basically

you had fibers and folly-like future

now you have coroutines

and soon after std::execution

(sender-receiver)

[rigid timber]

I wonder why JavaScript would have stuff for JavaScript Object Notation in the stdlib

must be a freak coincidence of naming

[glass jetty]

yeah, why JS follow ecma script?

[opaque sigil]

[glass jetty]

i wonder why vue.js have js in title

[opaque sigil]

don't think we'll ever truly know

[tender river]

allocation required

bad

[glass jetty]

basically i ran at problem with cpu being used only on about like 60%, but all threads i test being extremely unstable when adding just a little bit of load

[glass jetty]

when coroutines not require allocation?

[tender river]

in c++ they always do

[glass jetty]

if you use not trait to create them, you can manually manage lifetime of handler

[tender river]

language skill issue

[rigid snow]

i don’t know and i’m afraid to ask, why

[tender river]

why bad or why allocation required

[glass jetty]

DefaultCoroutine coro = someCoro();

as far as i know that not require heap allocation

[rigid snow]

why allocation required bad

[glass jetty]

speed

and not only... a lot
-# allocation in general create a lot of issues

[tender river]

because allocations shouldnt be used where they dont have to be used

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

in systems programming

[rigid snow]

i understand what you’re saying

[tender river]

allocating is fine when you dont pretend to be a systems programming language

[glass jetty]

lol

just allocate huge pages xD

issue solved

[rigid snow]

✅

[tender river]

not somebody reinventing monads on stackoverflow question about c++ coroutines

[rigid snow]

[clear sedge]

it's hideous! i love it!

[glass jetty]

actually, i allocate like 3gb of ram every second, and i have no tool better then regular malloc
i tested some with custom allocators, found that they like only 1.01 times better, and decided to think about it later

[tender river]

whatis DefaultCoroutine

[glass jetty]

a handler type

[tender river]

this says

coroutine state dynamically allocated

[real sierra]

execution

oh that kind

[tender river]

ye that kind

[rigid snow]

[glass jetty]

ok, well
if you use async, you already on way to wait something, allocation itself is fast
so i not care basically, anyway everything is created on heap, and then just wait to be woke

[tender river]

i care c++ skill issue

[glass jetty]

c++ too low lvl

even with all abstraction stuff

[clear sedge]

c++ too low level?

[rigid timber]

execution execution execution execution

[real sierra]

banger

[tender river]

too high level

[clear sedge]

c++ is very high level

[real sierra]

too high level

come to C, my brother

[clear sedge]

yes

come to c

now

see the error of your ways

[tender river]

it pretends to be low level but implicitly does so much

[clear sedge]

c is the right amount of low level

[glass jetty]

man, i see why state of any function cant be saved in 'standardized' handle type

it cant be stack

[real sierra]

[tender river]

it can be stack

[real sierra]

ur stack

[tender river]

c++ even has std::move

[real sierra]

I'm freeing you

[glass jetty]

it can be optimized to, but can it be by design for any general function?

[tender river]

[tender river]

it can just not in c++

heap allocation is only required for recursive coroutines

that call themselves

and only in non-tail-recursive position

[glass jetty]

ok, how can it be?

[tender river]

see: rust

[real sierra]

no I don't think I will

[clear sedge]

rust is good, but it's a bit too painful to write sometimes

[tender river]

if you heap allocate anyway at least implement cool features like call/cc

[clear sedge]

c is good and not painful to write

i rest my case

[real sierra]

based

C written to be easy to use

we need not protect good developers from themselves

[rigid timber]

is that why you had so many bugs in the API?

[clear sedge]

shiro you can't call me based, i also think the right dialect of c++ is easy to use

[real sierra]

I never said I was a good developer

[rigid timber]

y'know what, fair

[tender river]

refuse to take rust criticism from person who doesnt know rust

i can blame rust all i want i have years of commercial experience with it

[clear sedge]

i know just enough rust to know i know jack shit about rust