programming

[real sierra]

everyone else did it wrong

thats the java way

[clear sedge]

shiro sorry to break this to you

but i'm writing it in c++

[real sierra]

seek help

[clear sedge]

i am seeking help

[viral oasis]

LOL, yes I should totally do this for celeste.

[real sierra]

seek more help

[clear sedge]

i have antipsychotics

they do not help

[olive sable]

nah even game-engine dev's just use pre-existing parsers for a bunch of stuff.

[real sierra]

[clear sedge]

i still have the urge to write c++

[viral oasis]

write it in scratch next pls

[real sierra]

someday i hope we find the cure to c++

[clear sedge]

look i hate myself but not that much

[olive sable]

damn, thats like 2/10 people now

[real sierra]

https://experiments.turbowarp.org/pointerlock/1188911953

[viral oasis]

i love it

[clear sedge]

a friend i knew once wrote a whole language in scratch

[viral oasis]

time to implement C++ in scratch

[clear sedge]

json parser in scratch

[clear sedge]

weak

pathetic

[amber fractal]

They are pathetic

[viral oasis]

alr i gtg for now @stark needle take ur meds and bye

[clear sedge]

i am beeg and strong and write my own parsers god damn it

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

guess ill make a json parser eventually

[clear sedge]

do it now

[olive sable]

no i need to draw femboys

[real sierra]

i dont wanna fix en passant again

can they just remove this from the game

[clear sedge]

honestly based

do it after you draw femboys

[olive sable]

no i have to make 5 props in blender for school

[real sierra]

why is sam drawing femboys again

[clear sedge]

school? just write a json parser and submit that as your art project

[amber fractal]

Yes

[real sierra]

if im inferring the category correctly, idk what tiktok is doing there

[amber fractal]

You learn world ending events from these sources

[clear sedge]

i get all my research from askjeeves

[rigid snow]

the category is "educational resources"

100%

or something like that

[clear sedge]

tiktok certainly is education
..on natural selection

[real sierra]

once again idk how tiktok got there

[clear sedge]

no no trust it makes perfect sense

[rigid snow]

they try to be one at least

[clear sedge]

you go there and

learn things

like

oh my god automod

[rigid snow]

and it's not like they don't have educational content on tiktok

[clear sedge]

i can't believe you guys have the toilet word blocked

[real sierra]

people cannot be trusted with anything

server almost went into meltdown over brainrot words

it was spawning an unbelievable amount of arguments and tickets every day

[clear sedge]

that sounds terrifying

[real sierra]

it was an incredible waste of time for all involved

so it was solved

[clear sedge]

solution:

make better brainrot

call it "how to make a json parser"

get everyone to make a json parser

easy

[real sierra]

get everyone to make a chess bot

[clear sedge]

make everyone make a chess bot in their own json-derived programming language

[olive sable]

art? nah this is 3D1. the class where we have our teacher as a 3D scan and his full legal name is in the tenor gif finder on discord

[clear sedge]

[
  {
    "operator": "if",
    "operand": "this.isTurn",
    "action": [
      {
        // something something random turn shenanigans i can't be bothered writing a fake json schema for
      }
    ]
  }
]```

[clear sedge]

my art teacher's name was girls kissing, look her up on google

[olive sable]

no thanks

i see enough yuri cuz of konii already

[amber fractal]

:koniibwaa:

[olive sable]

sudo libinput list-devices | grep -A5 -i wacom

Device:                  Wacom Intuos Pro M Pen
Kernel:                  /dev/input/event22
Id:                      usb:056a:0357
Group:                   7
Seat:                    seat0, default
Size:                    224x148mm
--
Device:                  Wacom Intuos Pro M Pad
Kernel:                  /dev/input/event23
Id:                      usb:056a:0357
Group:                   7
Seat:                    seat0, default
Capabilities:            tablet-pad
--
Device:                  Wacom Intuos Pro M Finger
Kernel:                  /dev/input/event24
Id:                      usb:056a:0357
Group:                   7
Seat:                    seat0, default
Size:                    224x148mm

nah thats crazy

i have the "wacom Intuos Pro M Finger"

[amber fractal]

Ah yes my favorite device

[olive sable]

me when i sell my finger as adspace

hyprland sees the oculus rift sensors as keyboards lmao

Keyboard at 55fb6e370cd0:
  rift-sensor:-cv1-external-camer-1
  rules: r "", m "", l "us", v "", o ""
  active layout index: 0
active keymap: English (US)
  capsLock: no
  numLock: no
  main: no

[amber fractal]

English keyboard

(Yes this is what is set as default)

[real sierra]

en passant issues and castling issues may be fixed

many rounds of fuzzing are not revealing anything

going to push changes

[olive sable]

i got opentabletdriver to work

time to draw

i even got pureref out for this

[rigid snow]

i now understand why. there is so much shit you have to do in napi

[real sierra]

im in a good mood

[olive sable]

drawing is hard

im doing the shading and stuff later

[amber fractal]

mhm it looks good at least

I wouldn't even be mad if I ended up in something that looks decent

[olive sable]

ive pressed ctrl+z for 95% of the lines i drew

[amber fractal]

Only?

Anyways, I'm going to try and do a new pfp because I saw a comment while pinging down the old room photo saying I was going to work on it.

And it has been 10ish months and still the same pfp

[olive sable]

you also want femboy art of yourself?

[amber fractal]

If I could pay for it I wouldn't even mind doing so

[olive sable]

they say it is a male dominated field, but im beginning to doubt that now

its all jsut femboys

[amber fractal]

All femboys, that does include yourself

[olive sable]

its a sacrefice im willing to make for the meme

[rigid snow]

the node bindings are a crime

[real sierra]

whaaaat not true

im not femboy

[rigid snow]

right

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

ok looking back, i know the way i said that sounds very much like a lie

but im not

[olive sable]

take a look at your discord decoration real quick shiro

[real sierra]

it was a gift

[olive sable]

sure

also look at your pfp

[real sierra]

it was also a gift

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

and its a banger pfp

[amber fractal]

Where is charger

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

I found

Now I can pretend that a stylus will improve my art skills

I am very surprised my stylus connect script works

For those who don't know what the script is even doing

[opaque sigil]

man's running 24.11

[amber fractal]

This is the first time it has been booted in months

[opaque sigil]

not updating the day there's a new version

[amber fractal]

Having this screen on while sending input over ssh will never not be cursed

I should grab a keyboard so I'm not using the laptop one

[amber fractal]

The system running krita is on unstable

[midnight sigil]

every femboy says that

[silent lintel]

Do Board.in_check and Board.in_checkmate refer to the current turn’s player being in check(mate)? The other player? Some other criteria? The docs just say “its player” and I’m not sure what that means

[real sierra]

they return this status for whichever player has the move on the given board

i.e. if it is white-to-move on the board, it will return the check or checkmate status for white

it's impossible for both players to be in check at the same time

[glad path]

the other day i saw some woman compiling something in the wild and my first impluse was to recommend iterm2 for some reason

a few days ago I also saw some guy create an ad banner in illustrator then animate it and export it and proceed to write some javascript to animate the ad

[tender river]

compile something in the wild

---

🖥️👩

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

[magic drum]

For some reason when I run my chess bot in cutechess, instead of calculating in the background and allowing time to tick down, it's causing the whole application to lock up while it's searching and the timer doesn't go down at all (in fact somehow it's causing the timer to go up. Both players started with 5 min and by the time the game finished they each had almost 35 min ). Is there something I need to make sure I'm not doing to avoid interfering with cutechess?

Not sure why that was a reply

[tender river]

[magic drum]

sorry

[rigid snow]

you woke me up

good morning

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

i’m going back to sleep

[tender river]

good night

[rigid snow]

good night

[magic drum]

good night lol

[tender river]

good morning

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

[tender river]

[olive sable]

before you sleep

let me show my progress on the femboylilac art

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

im still working on the arms, its a bit shakey rn

[rigid snow]

the cool thing about digital art

you have smoothing

[olive sable]

yep

[rigid snow]

use it

[olive sable]

im an avid user of the blur tool

this entire thing has as much blur as it has paint

[rigid snow]

not blur i mean like stroke smoothing

[olive sable]

idk where that is in krita

[rigid snow]

https://docs.krita.org/en/reference_manual/tools/freehand_brush.html shoudl be in the tool options

[tight tinsel]

the bingo box will finally be filled

[trim valve]

I'm not entirely sure but this might be related to the timing rules you're playing. iirc it defaults to 5m/40 moves

[magic drum]

I think I got it figured out (though I'm still not entirely sure why it adds time to the clock sometimes)

[trim valve]

if I understand correctly after 40 moves that timing mode adds 5 minutes

[magic drum]

Oh, I see. I thought the 40 moves meant... I actually don't know what I thought it meant lol, it obviously wasn't a limit on the game length

[trim valve]

I kinda assumed it was a limit but then that fell apart when i was in games with like 400 turns

[tender river]

[noble zodiac]

[tender river]

promote pawn to knight
place knights on a1 c1 a5
move a1 knight to b3

both rank and file are specified in that case (which is to be expected )

[olive sable]

@stark needle

[olive sable]

it just be like that

i spent liek 6 hours on this

[glad path]

why did you spend 6 hours drawing a neon purple femboy

[olive sable]

well

im not sure

[glad path]

put it in #1095941852068331560 atl

maybe you can get starboard

[olive sable]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1421736054448193646

[sage crag]

@real sierra

[viral oasis]

Omg its lilac

[olive sable]

huh

zombie horses will be added to minecraft

but like, in survival now

[nocturne olive]

The docs for other langs are certainly a bit confusing on that one, so I tried to clarfiy in the KT version

[tight tinsel]

bingo!!!

[stark needle]

WHAT

IT'S SO GOOD

NOT IN A FEMBOY WAY THO

[sage crag]

libac

[real sierra]

the Easter egg is that one of the variables in chessapi.c uses camel case

[real sierra]

just another reason that long algebraic format is superior

[tender river]

only for computer interchange

[real sierra]

noper better for human interchange too

my brain is low power and that sort of compression is too difficult

I would rather use more bandwidth to communicate moves

[tender river]

brain needs power for reading

less reading more looking at the board

oh

shiro java dev

[real sierra]

java

read long string for free

trained from birth

[shadow sinew]

Is there anything special to get chess_get_time_millis() to work? I set up a timed game with cutechess but I still always get 0 from that..

[cobalt sigil]

https://www.threads.com/@gongshaxiao8964/post/DPI0wPtDtfr?xmt=AQF0dJ9paN5pHdwLvzwojEKQ9UhPH7BUonR09UfYrv8yXg&slof=1

[jagged turtle]

I think my linter has had enough

man what happened

[tender river]

maybe crlf issues?

or tab/space mismatch

[jagged turtle]

idk it just happens when I switch between branches sometimes

so wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of both

[hard raptor]

https://youtu.be/tNsDH9pYC_E
VR being helpful to techno producers wasn't something on my 2025 bingo card

[rigid snow]

why are we posting vr in programming

# music-production real

wow

how do you even do this thing

i'm going to crash out why is formatting in discord miserable

this will do

[stark needle]

chat i am so cooked

i feel like

anything i'm preparing for isnt enough for the interview

there's a gazillion classic questions that could arise

[tender river]

good luck lilac you can do it

i can do it

job application

[hard raptor]

Well... i thought this channel allowed any form of tech stuff

[rigid snow]

you're fine

[hard raptor]

I know i'm fine

I checked this with the mods months ago

[rigid snow]

it's just that this demonstrates a profound lack of a dedicated music production channel

[hard raptor]

Yeah

[jagged turtle]

#music-prod when

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

these are so ass

[median shale]

Init

whuehehe~

[stark needle]

it's so many questions tho that are common😭😭😭 and this is not even factoring in the technical questions

[tender river]

shadow heeeeeelp i just spent like 3 hours writing a single cover letter

[real sierra]

shouldn't be? it works successfully for me

[tender river]

(and i know it will just be met with "unfortunately," like all the others )

[real sierra]

actually I've only tried chess_get_elapsed_time_millis()

[shadow sinew]

My bot looks more or less like this. For some reason chess_get_time_millis() returns 0.

int main() {
    for (;;) {
        Board *board = chess_get_board();
        while (chess_get_time_millis() > (int)chess_get_elapsed_time_millis() - 100)
        {
            compute();
        }
        chess_push(get_best_move());
        cleanup(board);
        chess_done();
    }
}

[real sierra]

no wait that's not true

I've done both

[real sierra]

it's for sure a timed game?

[stark needle]

chat do i need to actually come up with novel original answers for everything in a frigging interview i can't with all of this

[real sierra]

UCI should pass go wtime ... btime ...

[shadow sinew]

Basic new game with 20 sec per move + 2000ms margin

[real sierra]

strange

I wonder if any of the types are inconsistent between platforms

I don't believe any of the time-related code has changed

[shadow sinew]

Let me check again..

[real sierra]

it's not a super complicated function so

I'm not sure where it could be failing

it returns a uint64_t, I see you're casting to an int in your code

I don't suppose that would cause issues

[shadow sinew]

Wait, it should be +100..

Yeah tried printing the values. I'm still getting chess_get_time_millis()==0.. This is my cutechess game setting.

Is there a way to display the exact UCI commands passed in cutechess?

[rigid snow]

guess which one it is

[shadow sinew]

That only shows printfs from my bot. Not commands like go wtime ...

[amber fractal]

It surely is Flip Board

[rigid snow]

it does for me

maybe the debug flag has to be set in engine settings?

[shadow sinew]

Yeah I've set that. Aren't you supposed to do that?

[rigid snow]

weird

[shadow sinew]

In hourglass mode it sends the available time, but not in time per move mode..

It sends a go movetime 20000 command instead..

[rigid timber]

Shiro's API doesn't catch that movetime?

[shadow sinew]

Seems to only handle wtime/btime
https://github.com/shiro-nya/2025-chess-bot-tournament/blob/main/src/c/chessapi.c#L790

[real sierra]

yeah

so I'm not sure if I was using an outdated version of the UCI spec when I wrote the chess api

but depending on settings, cutechess sends a number of commands that were not part of my reference spec

as such, things like movestogo and movetime aren't supported

I haven't been able to add them since I lack the relevant documentation

[shadow sinew]

..but wasn't the plan to run the tournament in cutechess?

[real sierra]

cutechess has modes that use btime and wtime

in particular, the tournament settings I plan to use, use btime and wtime

[rigid timber]

pretty sure that would be with hourglass, not time per move

[shadow sinew]

So we're playing hourglass mode? My plan was to have my bot use up all available time each turn..

[rigid timber]

yeah, you'll have to handle time too

that's a big part of the challenge

[real sierra]

official tournament format will be 1 minute per side for the entire game, no increment

[rigid timber]

"how the hell do I know if I should stop searching now"

[shadow sinew]

1 minute in total?

[real sierra]

1 minute in total

budget your time wisely

[shadow sinew]

I thought it was per turn.

[amber fractal]

That's enough time to hack Shiro's computer smh

[shadow sinew]

Might be a good idea to mention that in the FAQ..

[rigid snow]

1 minute per turn, calculate the move and mine some bitcoin on the side

[real sierra]

will add to FAQ

it used to be on the README, but i think it vanished after a rewrite

[flint dome]

chat random question off topic (sorry to interrupt), but if anyone knows feel free to let me know

how do i exactly get started in hardware reverse engineering? i.e., i have a basic idea, but how do i exactly go about it (i can read the circuit and probably model it too in an fpga if needed, build a shitty oscilloscope/logic analyzer or buy one if needed, reverse engineer software to some extent, but how do i exactly get the machine to let me dump the flash via jtag or sniffing the bus). basically, what i want are some sort of resources anyone can point me to in the right direction so that i can read and figure out myself

yes neurobot we know its a long text

[rigid snow]

we draw femboys here what makes you think we know shit about reversing

[amber fractal]

More like open up your opps source code and spam tokens so that when Shiro rechecks them they are out of range

[flint dome]

i mean you guys program so where the hell else do i ask

because there are very limited resources on this on the internet

[rigid snow]

[flint dome]

best stuff there is, is a blog run by one guy and a pdf from pre 2010 about hacking the xbox dedicated to aaron swartz

[obsidian mantle]

400h long tournament

[flint dome]

because apparently hardware hacking is only done by companies now to get cheaper prices on cpus

[real sierra]

FAQ updated

[shadow sinew]

Just run games in parallel.

[amber fractal]

If I don't have to use 700 tokens for NN parameters, I'll make sure to add something stupid to my bot

[flint dome]

so much to learn so little time and too much other coursework to do

[obsidian mantle]

then it will need 1m per turn indeed
processor

[rigid snow]

i mean aren’t bots supposed to be singlethreaded

[flint dome]

anyways thank you for your time chat i'll try and ask this question again later

my bad i read wrong

i read "not singlethreaded" my fault gang

[amber fractal]

Why do the bots go so much faster when NN bots are running at the same time

[obsidian mantle]

i work with guys who do hardware reverse engineering but i myself have no idea how they do it

[flint dome]

wait are you all programming in python lol

[flint dome]

since when have they been at it anyways

[amber fractal]

Nah, some are doing correct lanuages

[obsidian mantle]

i mean, probably measure resistors and all parts, look them up by signatures or smth

[rigid snow]

i fucking hate python

[amber fractal]

I should be doing C or C++ for this project but I'm still in prototyping stagr

[obsidian mantle]

probably at least 10 years or engineering

[amber fractal]

My mind is more the enemy than the actual code I write

[violet harness]

Skill issue. Python doesn’t hate you, it just exposes your logic errors faster than C ever will.

[flint dome]

that much i can pull off on my own but the real problem starts when they encrypt the data lines so that sniffing them is pointless or straight up add hardware that doesnt allow reading the flash without being the cpu itself

which is why the xbox 360 kamikaze attack had to be invented

(whoever did that one was a madlad, my cousin enjoyed hundreds of games on his 360 for free because of that hack)

[obsidian mantle]

pretend you are cpu (i am clueless)

[rigid snow]

[flint dome]

recently i think they did the same one for the switch oled too

[rigid snow]

does it involve drilling an ic too

or am i mixing shit up

[flint dome]

you have to grind two layers of the motherboard to get to a trace

[rigid snow]

oh that’s common

[flint dome]

*correction, a flex cable

[rigid snow]

because it’s definitely easier to reverse a circuit board that an ic

[flint dome]

true

[flint dome]

this one is mildly harder because of the more fragile nature of the flex cable you have to get to

[woeful matrix]

Good: the morning

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[north fractal]

I was 3 seconds away from summoning jester for identity theft and then i realized you are jester...

Anyway I've mostly run out of ways to be funny and do the summoning ritual for #1337733692709146674 so just stand in the circle please

Honestly i have no idea what's happening in there but it sounds like help would be greatly appreciated

[amber fractal]

Neurobot really is just the hardware channel huh

[fair horizon]

How much time do the chessbots get in total?

[amber fractal]

1 min, we playing bullet chess

[fair horizon]

Ah ok

[olive sable]

i shoudl look into the chess tuff eventually

im doing my school work now tho

[amber fractal]

The chess tourmant is the #1 reason NN progress is getting made at all

It is doing a lot better than it was before it started, I am actually starting to formulate ideas

Instead of shooting in the dark that is

[fair horizon]

If you shoot in the dark enough the dark will eventually get killed

[amber fractal]

That is a great quote, I'm taking that for my own usage

[rigid snow]

chess tuff asl 🔥 💯

[amber fractal]

I am nearly at the point where I can actually start drafting code to the plan

just a small roadblock remains

[olive sable]

in 3D1 class in my first week the only thing i really learned is that non-manifold edges exist and they're bad for some reason. so now i need to change the way i design stuff

[amber fractal]

:neuroNOTED:

[fierce badge]

I wanna say thank you to vedal for inspiring me to code.
Today, I got verified on Nexus Mods and became a Verified Mod Author :D
https://next.nexusmods.com/profile/SlavkyDev

[amber fractal]

Checking out the mods and I see your doing what should have been done in the base game

godspeed

[olive sable]

it does seem to be that way

lazy dying light devs smh

[fierce badge]

basically theres a bug that if u have multiple monitors, the game doesnt lock/focus ur mouse properly, and if u move ur mouse a bit, u can scroll whatever is happening on your other monitors, u cant interact (like click or something) but u could scroll, and it was insanely annoying, and after 10 years of no fix, i just made it myself

[amber fractal]

Don't tell the content mod authors this, but features that should have already existed in the game are some of my favorite mod types.

[olive sable]

i mean, sure its a proprietary engine, but surely they had enough budget to make the focus work.

the gaming industry is just such a shithole

[olive sable]

as a gamedev i salute the mod makers, but im deeply embarrassed that those mods even need to exist

[woeful matrix]

After noooon

I put two more o because i thought it would be badass

[true hemlock]

hm..

interesting

[fierce badge]

a dollar a day

[sage crag]

is this what elvyn's cpu has been cooking

is it making more than it costs in power

[olive sable]

i dont think so

[rigid snow]

ye that system probably costs more to run than $2 a day

[olive sable]

rough ballpark of 420W for the entire system, 0.42 kW x €0.35/kWh = €0.147 per hour, x 24 hours = €3.53 per day

[uneven pulsar]

ok but winter

in winter you pay for heating anyway

[olive sable]

no i dont

[rigid snow]

i've seen some company try to sell bitcoin asics as a heater, was expensive i think

i mean packaged in a heater form factor

[nocturne cove]

wsp

[distant blaze]

this is just straight up not worth it

[olive sable]

i mean, if you can afford it, its probably not too inefficient compared to a singular heating unit

but compared to a central heating system it probably isnt great

[nocturne cove]

yeah just run it for a couple years and youll definitely get your cash back trust

[rigid snow]

100% of consumed power is converted to heat

[olive sable]

yep

[rigid snow]

the problem is just the initial cost

[olive sable]

ye

[true hemlock]

i wasn't talking about cost and profitability lmao

[rigid snow]

i don't think those who have central heating use electric heaters in the first place

[true hemlock]

i was gonna talk about how apparently the threadripper could make more than a gpu?

[rigid snow]

xmr or similar

different algos

[olive sable]

cost of gas per unit of energy is significantly lower than electricity

so its more efficient in terms of electricity, less efficient in terms of price

[rigid snow]

there was that one where your profits scaled with hard drive space

[olive sable]

cuz a central heating system loses energy through the pipes and stuff

[rigid snow]

chia i think?

[olive sable]

pentium 2 with 8 petabytes of storage

[true hemlock]

@umbral thorn try openssl stuff

and check how much does the SHA ISA actually make per second

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

im damn well interested

[rigid snow]

you can look which chain and which mining algo was chosen in nicehash somewhere

if you're curious

[true hemlock]

the device based calculator on nicehash might be not accurate at all ig

the only way to tell is to use the hashrate calculator ones, check how many hashes on specific algo the thing can run and compare lol

[rigid snow]

is it somewhere online or what? the software benches all sorts of algos and chooses the most profitable one

like actually benches on your system

[rigid snow]

Chia coin, also known as XCH, is a cryptocurrency created by Chia Network, which uses a unique consensus mechanism called proof of space and time to validate transactions. This method allows users to allocate unused storage space on their computers to earn XCH tokens, making it more energy-efficient compared to traditional cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.

[true hemlock]

alternatively you can try mining for like few minutes and check the result

not sure if elvyn wants to though

[rigid snow]

that's basically what their bench does

[true hemlock]

she has the threadripper

[rigid snow]

i remember it taking forever

[true hemlock]

lmao same

[rigid timber]

oh yeah, that lovely thing that trashes hard drives for no good reason and caused storage prices to go up...

and now used drives sold as "new" with thousands of hours of actual use... lovely thing, that

[true hemlock]

pfftt

[umbral thorn]

shush me tweakin bios

[rigid timber]

you're still playing with that?

it's been a few hours

[nocturne olive]

She going for that maximally optimal overclock

[woeful matrix]

Im eating panckakws

Wit h

Rice and pasta

It Is good.

[true hemlock]

oh ok

[umbral thorn]

how much power it do

bios said need 1200W

100A from eps

[true hemlock]

wtf are you doing 😭

[umbral thorn]

o nvm

100A total

[true hemlock]

oh 😭

you scared the shit outta me

the PSU is 1600W, should be... fine...?

[umbral thorn]

beeeeeg headroom

[formal quartz]

could i ask, how do i add the python example bot to cutechess? [cli or ui im not picky at this point]
(i have the libchess file and just starting the bot with py seems to work)

[tender river]

shiro is temporarily dead so i'll answer

[tender river]

are you on linux or windows?

[formal quartz]

windows

[nocturne olive]

You create a batch script that runs the python file

[tender river]

i think there was an easier option

[formal quartz]

and that i feed as the bot command to cutechess?

[tender river]

set the Command field to "C:\Python311\python.exe" "C:\User\user\code\bot.py" (example)

[umbral thorn]

[tender river]

thats it hopefully

[true hemlock]

yeah 180W my ass

idk if its either that your NH-U14S is absolutely busted

or you did something on the bios that made it run cooler even with that power draw

did you do something to the voltage settings

[rigid timber]

don't look this up on random websites, get it from Noctua's compatibility list

[formal quartz]

thanks, could have sworn i have tried that already (since i seen shiros message, kinda embarrassing)

tho the bot still gets stuck at "isready" so i guess i haven't managed to make pthread work full, oh well back to trying more

gonna bother yall later again, maybe

[umbral thorn]

me try 420W

[true hemlock]

ummmm

you sure...?

[umbral thorn]

[true hemlock]

RIP THREADRIPPER

[sage crag]

elvyn pc die 2 week after build

[rigid snow]

how are there more issues with python which binds directly to native code than i have with the jankiest 700 lines of c i've ever written wrapper for node

i should upload them

after i figure out what and where to eat

[amber fractal]

Can't rent dead hardware

[rigid snow]

ugh

[amber fractal]

Okay, which part of this is helpful

[rigid snow]

enable images? email clients hide them by default

to prevent tracking

[amber fractal]

Nah, let me grab a better crop

[rigid snow]

maybe there is an image which is like press here to claim

[amber fractal]

They opted for html in this case

[keen hatch]

for me 5955wx + 5090 + 4070 + 4060 + 512gb ram consumes 2 kW at full load

[amber fractal]

Which part of this email is helpful advice discord?

[amber fractal]

mhm

[keen hatch]

Idle

[formal quartz]

nah its more my lack of knowledge of coding outside of pascal xD
and the issue that threads.h does not exist under windows

[rigid snow]

but it does

[amber fractal]

Apparently not all systems for some reason

[rigid snow]

idk vs 2022 tools have it

[amber fractal]

Shiro themselves were complaining about it

[opaque sigil]

It wouldn't surprise me if some people were running vs 2019

[rigid snow]

vs 2019 is not that old yeah

[rigid snow]

i mean the sdk that ships with it

whatever semantics

[rigid timber]

it does with the correct clang

[clear sedge]

i swear this spec can't decide if it wants integer enums or string enums

[rigid snow]

also the major releases being years but them not releasing annually is confusing

2022 is the latest

[rigid timber]

it's just that nobody here knows how to get the correct SDK apparently...

[formal quartz]

tried around and couldn't get it to work, at least it worked with the pthreads branch and some modification

[amber fractal]

I misinterpreted this as idk which year's version VS 2022 of the tools contain threads.h

It still works to some degree

[umbral thorn]

3.9GHz

all core

[amber fractal]

[amber fractal]

@true hemlock it isn't dead yet

[formal quartz]

please tell, at this point in almost more interested in getting this to work then the bot itself

[rigid timber]

I'll be home in 40 minutes, I can check then

[formal quartz]

thanks, no rush

[rigid snow]

but also doesn’t clang on windows still depend on headers in the win sdk which is part of vs build tools

[rigid timber]

possibly, I have VS build tools for unrelated reasons so that may have helped

[true hemlock]

idk what did she tweak on the bios to get lower temps but higher tdp lmao

[rigid snow]

i mean building with clang, the sdk headers don’t ship with clang i don’t think

[formal quartz]

forgive my stupid ass but this?

[rigid timber]

Iunno, I use the clang that's part of the SDK, didn't get clang separately at all

[true hemlock]

to get more oc headroom apparently but idk how she does it

[rigid snow]

the uhhh c/c++ build tools i think are separate from the ide

[keen hatch]

my current power usage (fine tuning)

[rigid timber]

or part of the build tools... whatever, part of that entire C/C++ thing

[rigid snow]

oh do they ship with it

[formal quartz]

its worth a try

[rigid snow]

even microsoft realizes how dogshit msvc is so they ship llvm

cool

[rigid snow]

ye that’s it i think

[amber fractal]

I damn wish I could tweak my bios just so I can slightly emulate this on my laptop

[umbral thorn]

16 core... smol

[stark needle]

chat i came to the conclusion to try to wing the friggin interview instead of overly rehearsing and preparing

tmrw is death day

[amber fractal]

Best of luck

[umbral thorn]

....u ok?

[rigid timber]

https://tenor.com/view/gentlemen-synchronize-synch-synchronise-notaquietk-gif-18049587

[stark needle]

i have interview with a head of r&d at some company

*director of r&d

[umbral thorn]

[tender river]

it will likely be more technical focused, asking about experience and stuff

[umbral thorn]

gl

[keen hatch]

Well, it depends on what you're using it for... sometimes you need single-core performance, not the number of cores.

[tender river]

show interest in position and try to relate your past experience to it

[stark needle]

i came to the conclusion that they know i'm junior so they wont expect perfect answers

[umbral thorn]

then why threadripper

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[keen hatch]

128 pcie lines

[umbral thorn]

[tender river]

good job elvyn please do not explode your pc

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bread-sandwich-tf2-gaming-i-have-done-nothing-but-teleport-bread-gif-17130046

[stark needle]

yeah i guess since it's only 40min

[keen hatch]

I think I only have 32 unused

[umbral thorn]

@crude saffron

[stark needle]

40min of intense judgement

just to build enterprise resource planning application

[umbral thorn]

[clear sedge]

me when i :() { : | : & }; :

[stark needle]

i would like to thank vedal for the "it's probably fine" mentality

[karmic birch]

wtf...

[amber fractal]

Are we still in the 80s in temps?

[opaque sigil]

huh the 3990x has become quite cheap

[tender river]

they might ask regular interview questions still just remember its ok if you arent sure, just try to answer to the best of your abilities, interview is basically a vibe check

[obsidian mantle]

💀 wtf arent threadrippers like 10k$ or smth

[keen hatch]

I get a stable ~4.6 GHz on all cores under load for a long time (water cooling)

[amber fractal]

Depends on how new they are

[opaque sigil]

the new ones are

they can charge whatever tf they want now unfortunately

[true hemlock]

i got her 3990x with trx40 mobo and 256gb ddr4 for around 1.3k usd

[obsidian mantle]

What are you "full loading" that with

[opaque sigil]

damn that's a nice deal

[amber fractal]

Looks like cinabench

[rigid snow]

much compute. regular compute 10x

[clear sedge]

one google chrome tab

[rigid snow]

cpu?? definitely firefox

[rigid timber]

that'd be memory...

Firefox leaks like crazy

[rigid snow]

i don’t pay attention to memory

because it does not matter

[clear sedge]

[rigid snow]

fake. process suspended

[rigid timber]

I usually don't either, but when it takes up half of my 64 GB and kills my other stuff I tend to notice that

[rigid snow]

what do you have to do to make it take up 32gb

[rigid timber]

that's what I'd like to know too

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

bw

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[rigid snow]

photoshopped

[rigid snow]

generated by gemini

[clear sedge]

i could give you ssh access to my computor and you'd still find a way to call it fake

[umbral thorn]

[rigid snow]

yes pls gib ssh access where send pubky

[sage crag]

what running

[keen hatch]

I need to build it .. ) 2950x, 128gb ram

[amber fractal]

❌

[rigid snow]

[clear sedge]

can't be chrome, it'd be 256/256 if it were

[rigid snow]

the answer is 1 (one)

[formal quartz]

holy it actually works well not really im getting some syntax errors from inside threads.h while making the file (with cl yeah?) but still

[rigid snow]

yes i’m good at maths like that

[olive sable]

could yall stop being so rich?

[amber fractal]

Nope, they won't

[rigid snow]

make sure to compile with /std:c17 or some other version not /std:c++20 i think it’s the default

i ran into that too the cpp compiler no likey threads.h

[keen hatch]

why your memory so slow? Is this a bug or is it really slow?

[olive sable]

forgot to turn on xmp?

[rigid snow]

bug for sure

no way it’s running at that

or walking even

[formal quartz]

oh yeah that was it xD it actually works thanks so much
now i can get started at testing my interface (still optimistic)

[obsidian mantle]

anyone else gets weird bishop-pawn trades?

when your bishop takes pawn and dies without visible profit

(i cant beat my bot on my own maybe its some 5head from him that i dont see)

[worldly plank]

How did this turn into a chess-bot channel?

[rigid timber]

or /std:clatest if you actually want all the parts of C23 that it supports

[rigid snow]

yeah

but they’re compiling a shared lib for bindings i think so doesn’t matter thaaat much

[uneven pulsar]

brrr goes brrr

[formal quartz]

only had a quick issues with having the wrong vs command prompt open (x86 instead of x64) but for now it seems to work, wonderful

[rigid snow]

msvc toolchain

[fair horizon]

@real sierra found a bug in the python api. the get_color functions return None if the board value is 0 or less making it return None when the color of a space is white

[rigid timber]

yeah, probably true

but y'know, for completeness' sake

[rigid snow]

shiro

[fair horizon]

At least it seems like an easy fix of just doing >= instead of >

[tender river]

shiro says fixed go pull

[rigid snow]

shiro ban evasion

[fair horizon]

Yey

Works now nice

[obsidian mantle]

if i ++ float does it get +1

i think it should

[opaque sigil]

assuming that's even implementd it should yes

[keen hatch]

+1.00000000000000004

[obsidian mantle]

hold up
is that bug with false moves after +2 recursion fixed?
i havent seen it being discussed since yesterday

today morning i pulled and i felt like its fixed but im not sure now

[rigid timber]

should be if I read things correctly

[shadow sinew]

Should be with this, yeah. Haven't seen any weird behavior since.

[nocturne olive]

Someone notify me when the recursion stuff fix happens, whoever was the one that found the real version that bug

[obsidian mantle]

it should be fixed as ginkgo just said
and i think this morning i thought something that made me think it was fixed (i forgot what exactly)

[nocturne olive]

Well time to pull and see

[nocturne olive]

Well it bugs way less

Still somehow 3x bugged though

Oh wait I'm on depth 2

[obsidian mantle]

ye my bot gets 3 fold against itself even though i put -99999999 points on 3fold move

[nocturne olive]

I need to be on depth 3

[obsidian mantle]

oh you mean depth

there is problem with uneven recursion

[nocturne olive]

Yeah that's more like it

Depth 3 still mega bugged

[obsidian mantle]

when recursion ends on your turn, it can get "i took a piece" and there was no response by opponent which shifts it wrongly in your favour

[nocturne olive]

Each time it prints this it means a piece was not where it was 100% supposed to be

It's spending all of its CPU time printing bugged

[crude saffron]

oh true

[clear sedge]

beeg struct

heh, line 314

[sick owl]

https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-pulse/

While nice in theory

This is giving me nefarious vibes

Like if I wanted to start slipping ads into the platform or influencing people this is one way I'd go about doing so

[glad path]

reminds me of letta

[obsidian mantle]

oooh actually. about me getting 3folds
3folds are less unpleasant than mate by opponent so it makes sense that my bot does it

so its not bad at all

[nocturne olive]

So it gets a draw by 3-fold if the opponent would otherwise mate?

[obsidian mantle]

i think so

[nocturne olive]

So there is a logic behind it at least

[obsidian mantle]

nah im wrong
the winning bot just caused it, and he was supposed to know it will be a draw. but he was winning a lot, just had to move pawns or do something else

i'll try to check if 3fold check from api is wrong.
here i have 100% situation where my bots are making 3fold. last 3 moves repeat. so i will take hash of last 3 moves and check it myself

[obsidian mantle]

yeah. chess_in_draw does not detect 3fold.
checking last 6 boards manually removed 3fold when both sides were jiggling a piece

[obsidian mantle]

and this doesnt work because bot doesnt know if hes losing or not and treats draw as a bad move

however the check for draw happens after check for mate so it might still work

[rigid timber]

that's strange if it doesn't, it should

[obsidian mantle]

it should it just doesnt happen i guess

losing side usually doesnt have opportunity to chose a lot of moves in those situations

so winning bot sees 3fold and avoids it, and losing bot cant do shit about it

[rigid timber]

definitely file that as a bug if you can get some examples where it doesn't work

[obsidian mantle]

maybe i just have bad amount of data

how do i file a bug correctly 🤔

[rigid timber]

I'd create an issue on the GitHub repo

ideally with steps how to reproduce it, for this it'd probably be a board state where it fails to detect the 3fold repetition?

[obsidian mantle]

my bot is 100% logical with 0 random (unless the api gives legal moves in random order which doesnt look like being a thing). so i can add and remove check and see if situation changes

so here i have this thing

if i remove it my bot 3folds agains himself from the winning side

if it stays it doesnt 3fold and loses later let me confirm

[rigid timber]

actually, looking at the code... it just goes the previous 3 boards and checks if they're identical... but shouldn't that be 6 boards and check if every other board is identical?

bc every board is a halfmove

[obsidian mantle]

its 6 boards

[rigid timber]

is it? I must be misreading the code then

[obsidian mantle]

are you in my walls
where do you see it 3

[rigid timber]

wait no, I'm stupid

[obsidian mantle]

i mentioned 3

but i fixed it when i saw it

[rigid timber]

I'm looking at the API, not your code

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072697081443131476/1201324802053505155/mlem.gif

[obsidian mantle]

it also checks last 3 boards and thats it?

[rigid timber]

also I'm stupid, it's not 6 moves

no, I just can't read

and can't brain properly either, as it turns out

[sage crag]

]

[rigid timber]

3-fold repetition is just 3 identical board states at any point in the past, not "last 3 moves were the same"

which it apparently does... if not then something is borked

[obsidian mantle]

with check - 3fold (not actually a winning side, i got confused with other situation). so it ends on black queen doing it.

1 sec will recreate with check

HUH. it also changes the pawn

[rigid timber]

looking at the code, it might accidentally not be counting one of the repetitions...? bc it counts only duplicate boards, but the condition is >= 3, but you'd only have 2 duplicates if you don't count the first one...

[obsidian mantle]

so here it does not do the same but situation is a bit different (i guess its because of it seeing 3fold in several moves and moving pawn or smth)

i'll remove recursion so its plain

[sage crag]

shiro fix attempted

[rigid timber]

[sage crag]

shiro, fix attempted

[obsidian mantle]

so this is without recurion but it starts acting different earlier too. idk why

the other game 3folds too but on turn 68 (i guess when last 6 boards are not enough)

[sage crag]

preceding

[rigid timber]

nah it checks the full board history, I misunderstood how it works at the start

[obsidian mantle]

ye the kings are dancing around, the one king suddenly goes on the right and then returns after several turns.
the turns which will cause 3fold are forgotten so he does it

huuh

[rigid timber]

I think this should fix it, but I don't know if I'm missing something or not...

diff --git a/src/c/chessapi.c b/src/c/chessapi.c
--- a/src/c/chessapi.c    (revision 889fb91140d67b121ad3365b8f43c07d417f55e1)
+++ b/src/c/chessapi.c    (date 1759089855386)
@@ -1766,7 +1766,7 @@
             if (board_equals(boards[i], cur_board)) {
                 counts[i]++;
                 hit = true;
-                if (counts[i] >= 3) {
+                if (counts[i] >= 2) {
                     found = true;
                 }
                 break;

[tender river]

shiro

[rigid timber]

[rigid snow]

forwarding

[rigid timber]

initializing occurences to 1 for each board instead?

[rigid snow]

ban evasion

[rigid timber]

well whatever, doesn't really matter

as long as it gets fixed

[sage crag]

[rigid timber]

ah, yeah, initialized to 1

@obsidian mantle pull the latest chess API, it has a fix

[sage crag]

[rigid timber]

also I really like that

if (!found) return false;
return true;

at the end, instead of just return found;

[rigid snow]

i will forever defend this syntax

it's the furthest thing from stupid

[clear sedge]

oh my god it's horrendous i love it

tbf if found is non-zero that's one of the ways ever to make it either 0 or 1

[rigid snow]

you have to look at it as a guard statement and a return at the end

[rigid timber]

it's a boolean...

you can just... return the boolean...

[clear sedge]

3am code syndrome

[obsidian mantle]

still fucked but alright its way further than my last6 check

[rigid snow]

y'all actually believe it's stupid

[sage crag]

personally i dont think its stupid

its useful for early returns or code that intends to change in the future

[clear sedge]

"i might want an early return in the future so i'm gonna use a bajillion more keywords than necessary"

big brain

[sage crag]

uhh ye?

[rigid snow]

a bajillion more being 2 returns and 1 if

[clear sedge]

wait

[rigid snow]

instead of one return

[clear sedge]

are you two being fr

[rigid timber]

I don't think I want to argue this one

[sage crag]

yupp

[rigid snow]

it's more readable often yes

[olive sable]

why would an early return mean you need to make the later one overcomplicated? its not like an early return ruins the control path

[rigid snow]

makes more sense mentally

[obsidian mantle]

how is "return found" not readable

[sage crag]

i dont know about readable, but i prefer indicating my intention with it

[clear sedge]

i am amazed

[rigid snow]

readable as in easier to comprehend

[sage crag]

i dont see a reason to be amazed that people have style preferences

[rigid timber]

hence why I don't want to argue this one

I forgot this is C we're talking about

[rigid snow]

you can do this in any lang

any procedural one

at least

[clear sedge]

this is just

[sage crag]

true, but in c the only canonical representation of bool is 1 or 0, additionally

[clear sedge]

i thought you were ragebaiting at first

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/font-hacker-meme-hacker-meme-font-meme-gif-10812246521954462064

[sage crag]

i have far more effective ways of doing such a thing

[obsidian mantle]

does it have a limit? it 3folded on 139th turn with same hash being in last 4 turns

[clear sedge]

real ones use a full uint8_t instead

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

just dont specify and let the compiler deal with it

[clear sedge]

#define bool unsigned char```

[olive sable]

its not my problem, its the compilers problem

[sage crag]

actually it is your problem before c23

[olive sable]

good thing im using c23

[sage crag]

before c23 you have to include stdbool or use _Bool instead

[obsidian mantle]

what happens when i do ! on that variable tho

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

logical ! works perfectly fine

[olive sable]

the compiler has a full 16 cores while my brain has maybe 2 on a good day

[sage crag]

remember that c uses integers for conditionals

in lots of code actually

[obsidian mantle]

[clear sedge]

!5 == 0

[sage crag]

mostly portable code or old code such as kernel

[obsidian mantle]

c

[sage crag]

yup

this is also why you see !!x in places

[clear sedge]

yes

[sage crag]

its because !!x will shrink the range from >0, 0 to 1, 0

[clear sedge]

this is way more common in javascript land btw

[sage crag]

there is a reason for the difference between bitwise not and logical not

~, !

[clear sedge]

one is wise

the other is logical

only a bit wise, though

[olive sable]

((!5) == 0)

> 1

[clear sedge]

true wisdom comes in using a uint256_t for booleans

[sage crag]

correct

[obsidian mantle]

cutechess froze and wsl isnt shutting down

[olive sable]

had to do the parenthesis cuz clang likes that

[sage crag]

why dont you just flip 0 and !5

0 == !5

[olive sable]

idk

i didnt put much thought into it

i just tested it out to see if it actually worked like i thought it does

[clear sedge]

yoda ass mentality

[sage crag]

save token

[clear sedge]

trude

[olive sable]

im not doing chess rn so i dont need to worry abou tokens

[sage crag]

save token

save token

// no!!!
if (x) {
  printf("hi");
  return 0;
}

// yes!!!
if (x) return printf("hi"), 0;

[olive sable]

working on school assignment rn

[sage crag]

chair

[tender river]

[olive sable]

waybar seems to have broken 12 hours ago cuz its stuck on krita lmao

[tender river]

waybar is super broken

whenever it breaks i restart it

[olive sable]

idk how to properly restart it without restarting my system

[clear sedge]

return x && !printf("hi");```

save more token

[tender river]

its fine on my phone so maybe multimonitor related

[amber fractal]

Warbar has been suspiciously stable so far

[sage crag]

wrong

[olive sable]

cuz if i restart it in a fish window the waybar closes when i close fish

[amber fractal]

at least in my case

Start as background task mhm

[clear sedge]

it depends on printing successfully, yes

but save token

is it not worth it

[rigid snow]

i have node bindings that will probably crash and burn and segfault the second anything actually gets written with them but i have them

[opaque sigil]

[clear sedge]

i have yet to make my lua bindings

will anyone use my lua bindings? probably not

will it be fun? maybe

[amber fractal]

fish -c "waybar" &

Surely

[clear sedge]

fish

https://tenor.com/uSJc1aTBjyw.gif

[olive sable]

i now have 2 waybars

the new one works tho

ok i jsut pkilled them

fixed

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/mlntcandy/chessapi-node if anyone wants to have a reason to murder me

[opaque sigil]

cmake

[rigid snow]

IKNOOOWW

it's not MY fault

[tender river]

no submodules

[obsidian mantle]

after i pulled my bot stopped seeing opponent's mate in 1 move

[rigid snow]

should hav ei done the api as a submodule

i thought the preferred way was to vendor

[tender river]

yes submodules are better than copy pasting code

[rigid snow]

you know what

[tender river]

yes

[rigid snow]

done

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/good-job-konata-thumbs-up-anime-gif-19348497

i witnessed that in real time

[rigid snow]

wait

i hope npm fucking resolves it

it better

[clear sedge]

necessary evil

[rigid snow]

error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'chessapi/src/c/chessapi.h': No such file or directory

i am actually going to crash out did you make me do this for nothing chay

[obsidian mantle]

yeah i think recursion got broken again i will collect more data tomorrow

or its get_legal_moves again... i cant find mating move in the list

[glad path]

wait

is scratch allowed

[amber fractal]

I can't wait for my bot to just be asking chatgpt (what do you mean there is a no network requirement?)

[glad path]

its probably possible to make bindings for scratch via turbowarp

aka better scratch

https://turbowarp.org

[tender river]

npm i doesn't fetch submodules of git repos

[amber fractal]

I mentioned it offhanded, but don't think there was an answer

[tender river]

usually you'd create a vendored package but keep submodules in git tree

[glad path]

turbowarp has a lot of extentions, one of which can send requests

[rigid snow]

but it does fetch git repos

[glad path]

so you can probably use that to make bindings

[rigid snow]

just doesn't resolve submodules

[tender river]

add package.json to shiro repo

[rigid snow]

[glad path]

add a low quality (50x50) png image of a turtle to shiro repo

[sage crag]

when nix bot

[amber fractal]

Package up Shiro and ship it

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

oh i misread as "or"

eyes tired

[glad path]

ahh yes, the real punishment for pinging vedal randomly

[tender river]

doesnt sound too unrealistic but i dont wanna do it

[rigid snow]

WAIT I HAVE AN IDEA

[tender river]

surely npm i fetches the .git dir

[rigid snow]

wait you might unfortunately be right it doesn't

[tender river]

npm

[tender river]

can you instead do dynamic linking

like python

[rigid snow]

i caaaan but more friction to install

to set up rather

[tender river]

but less copy paste

[rigid snow]

two shared libs

[ebon basin]

I'm out of time for day but I can report the Neuro MOD gets loaded into Oxygen not Included

[tender river]

[obsidian mantle]

cant == strings

why not

[tender river]

you mean const char*s?

or std::strings?

[obsidian mantle]

std strings

[clear sedge]

huh

[tender river]

you should be able to though

[clear sedge]

what's your code

[obsidian mantle]

wait maybe its vscode

[clear sedge]

turn it the other way around

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[tender river]

lhs is Move, not string

[obsidian mantle]

fucking bracket

[ebon basin]

I had massiv problems with UniTask because it runs on 4.7.2 Net Framework and not on modern NET

[clear sedge]

bracket

yes

i missed that

[obsidian mantle]

eepy

[ebon basin]

I let Claude build me a Wrapper class which simulate the same behaviour

At somepoint I properly need ask Alex about this

gn8

[obsidian mantle]

something is wrong with board it isnt right. maybe i messed up undoing moves. or it is api again

it thinks king is d8 not e8

[rigid snow]

i straight up reverted the commits for now

[clear sedge]

i can imagine shiro looking at chat rn and being unable to talk about api stuff

[rigid snow]

so it at least works

[obsidian mantle]

its 90% my bad in something else but i cant see yet

[sage crag]

do

[tender river]

you do

[sage crag]

i not know who shiro is but there is an unrelated third party

(name redact for privacy)

[obsidian mantle]

shiro online
100% lurking

[clear sedge]

who could that be

[rigid timber]

what happened to Shiro?

[amber fractal]

Smh shiro would never lurk

[sage crag]

/mute

[tender river]

vedal ping

[clear sedge]

@real sierra what happened to you

tell us in this very here chat

[sage crag]

shiro banned from server