programming

[olive sable]

numlock

[glad path]

literally the first fucking time in my life i've had confirmation numlock is actually used 😭

[olive sable]

bruh

[amber fractal]

You should have heard Sam ranting about it not being default toggled on linux

[olive sable]

i paid like 15 bucks extra for number keys, i use those

[olive sable]

im prettys ure it also isnt default in windows, but if you put it on once it stays on

while linux has dementia

[opaque sigil]

make a script that runs on startup and toggled numlock

[amber fractal]

The script in question https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Activating_numlock_on_bootup

[opaque sigil]

of course there's an arch wiki page for this

[amber fractal]

We love the process of:

• toggle numlock during disk unlock
• toggle numlock during greeter
• toggle numlock with the DE/WM

[next panther]

HI

[opaque sigil]

good thing my keyboard doesn't have a numlock key

[amber fractal]

Wouldn't put it past for a nix flake called I-said-activate-numlock

[opaque sigil]

services.displayManager.sddm.autoNumlock there's this, nice

[amber fractal]

Now the other two

because you need to set it each time

[opaque sigil]

programs.plasma.input.keyboard.numlockOnStartup = "on"

idk about the other one, cba to look for that

[glad path]

plasma as in kde plasma?

or am i hallucinating that info

[opaque sigil]

yes

(this is from plasma-manager)

[olive sable]

toggle numlock when i turn of hdr

toggle numlock when i turn it back on

[opaque sigil]

why does your numlock have any connection to hdr

[final tinsel]

i think my keyboard saves my numlock status, i dont think ive turned it off in years

[olive sable]

idk

[keen hatch]

looks at a keyboard that doesn't have a num lock

[olive sable]

oh wait it works now, maybe they changed hdr in the new hyprland update

[keen hatch]

My keyboard layout when I need to enter numbers

[glad path]

i use a laptop so numpads are foreign to me

and my keyboard is a 75% i think

yeah its 75%

[olive sable]

even my laptop has a numpad

[keen hatch]

split keyboards are a fun thing... but they're pretty hard to get used to. especially when the number of keys is limited... I used the numpad quite actively... so I bound it to the keys as is on a separate layer

[glad path]

my laptop keyboard is pretty much 75% as well

[amber fractal]

I was used laptops with numpads because of running 15.6inch ones. These days I main a 13inch so I don't really have numpad anymore.

[olive sable]

90% of my classmates have these enormous 18" gaming laptops with underglow rgb and shit. its insane

[unique plinth]

Some laptops have them some don't, I don't have a number pad, but my friend does.

[olive sable]

as someone with a 3050 in my laptop i thought i had it good, but i pale in comaprison

[amber fractal]

The actual definition of portable desktop

[olive sable]

those fuckers have 5090 laptops

even in my new friend group, bro was playing silksong during lunch on his 5090 laptop

[amber fractal]

5090 on a laptop is a choice

Not one I'd make

[olive sable]

the 5090 laptop even outperforms a 3090 desktop

i know its not supposed to be a competition, but damn am i jealous

[amber fractal]

I'll say for keyboard, if I were to have my way. We'd need a new product type to explain how many keys it has.

[olive sable]

there are no?

TKL means no numpad

[amber fractal]

Who said it was under 100%

[olive sable]

[keen hatch]

model invented new tag...

[INST] What does <｜VOICE｜> mean? [/INST]<｜VOICE｜> marks spoken text, <｜NARRATOR｜> marks narrative, <｜BREAK｜> marks scene transitions, <｜BEAUTIFUL｜> marks beautiful moments.

[amber fractal]

Very good

[amber fractal]

One of these days, I need to go through the TCL keysyms page and figure out how many I could reasonably add.

[unique plinth]

My friend plays silksong on his laptop 4060

[olive sable]

fair enough

i might buy a new laptop once i start having trouble with the 3050's measly 4GB of vram. but i dont want to replace stuff for the sake of it

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1406337271241904158/ezgif-3f552200e37817.avif

[olive sable]

hi konii

[amber fractal]

I love XF86Numeric section of the keysyms: 0-9, star, pound, A-D, 11, 12

There are no missing symbols in here nope

[olive sable]

what

[amber fractal]

https://www.tcl-lang.org/man/tcl8.6/TkCmd/keysyms.htm XF86Numeric10 is not real

[olive sable]

i dont mean to not be inclusive, but

braille_dot_1                    65521     0xFFF1
braille_dot_2                    65522     0xFFF2
braille_dot_3                    65523     0xFFF3
braille_dot_4                    65524     0xFFF4
braille_dot_5                    65525     0xFFF5
braille_dot_6                    65526     0xFFF6
braille_dot_7                    65527     0xFFF7
braille_dot_8                    65528     0xFFF8
braille_dot_9                    65529     0xFFF9
braille_dot_10                   65530     0xFFFA

do we really need braille on pc's?

is this meant for atm machines maybe?

cuz i dont think they'l be able to see the screen

[amber fractal]

The real fun begins in the XF86 section, also known as whatever prebaked operation keys people have made

[olive sable]

tbh most of the XF86 section makes more sense on non-pc electronic devices

like the XF86DVD key makes sense on an AVR

[amber fractal]

My favorites are the color ones

[olive sable]

red, green, yellow, blue

ye those are just the 4 colours every tv remote has for some reason

[amber fractal]

Yep they really do

[amber fractal]

I do however want to have a small talk to whoever extended the XF86Numeric section with 11 and 12; and ask them why did you not include 10

[olive sable]

this has to be liek a universal standart that thousands of diffrent devices use no?

[uneven pulsar]

I am slowly learning about Absolute paths today guys!

Any tips?

[amber fractal]

Relative paths are good to learn alongside it, good to learn both to know when to use each.

[uneven pulsar]

Yes, I am kind of understanding relative paths as well. I just learned that my mac uses volumes so theres no C:\ root drive like there is on windows.

[keen hatch]

root drive is /

[uneven pulsar]

/

Im trying to memorize

[amber fractal]

It is my understanding that it is, it's nice that computers have all of these spare keycodes for apps or DE/WMs that can read them.
-# Also just a few macro keys doesn't hurt

[olive sable]

me when i buy a 500 key keyboard to adress each possible key

[uneven pulsar]

wtf

[olive sable]

dont wanne get fomo you kno

[uneven pulsar]

Ignorance is bliss

[olive sable]

hmm y firefox broke again

[uneven pulsar]

idk how other people have browser issues

[olive sable]

jsut hyprland stuff

[uneven pulsar]

you guys usually have good hardware

[amber fractal]

-# The answer is linux

[uneven pulsar]

I see

no wonder

[olive sable]

my pc is fast, and linux ussualy is too

its a lot faster than windows

[uneven pulsar]

keyword usually

[olive sable]

but it also breaks faster sometimes

[uneven pulsar]

im on mac its basically linux

[olive sable]

ye nah

i gatekeep mac

[uneven pulsar]

mannn

[olive sable]

its too polished to be an actual linux distro

[uneven pulsar]

I like it like that

[olive sable]

its unix based no?

macos

[amber fractal]

Both of them use POSIX paths and macos is based in shipping zsh by default

[uneven pulsar]

yeah

[olive sable]

i think there are some differences between unix and linux anyways, so it wouldn't have counted.

[amber fractal]

You can use a lot of linux automation tools on macos, but linux still has a lot more choice

You get to choose your difficulty level

[amber fractal]

chromeos?

[olive sable]

idk

ive never used nor really seen it in action

[uneven pulsar]

I will eat a lot of VM's

and be strong

[amber fractal]

I remember based on this: forward slash is used all the time, backslash I have to remember where it is on the keyboard.

[uneven pulsar]

Genuinely good tip

[wide flicker]

its easy for me to remember where it is because of the xdx | meme
[vertical bar is the same key as backslash on most keyboards]

[uneven pulsar]

OHHHH

I havent been on twitch inna while but i think i membah

[long barn]

we wa we wa

[amber fractal]

@olive sable I know you're off the page by now, but forgot to mention my second favorite random key of XF86LightBulb

[olive sable]

oh ye i saw that

i thought it was for home automation

[amber fractal]

Your guess is as good as mine

[olive sable]

some philips hue type shit

[amber fractal]

I'd think that, but it is only one key

[uneven pulsar]

we wa we wa

[amber fractal]

So the only automation you get it turning it on and off, no dimming

[olive sable]

might i add that i get these have built in batteries and you can attach them to the wall magnetically, but 20 bucks is still too much

[olive sable]

huh

that sure is a key

[magic drum]

I'm trying to set up the Python version of the chess bot tournament api, does anyone know what I need to do to build the given files into a library? Specifically on Windows, the example command doesn't work exactly as given and I don't know what adjustments I need to make (other than calling it a .dll instead of .so)

[amber fractal]

Might be the XF86KbdLightOnOff button tho

[olive sable]

any python people here?

[amber fractal]

!vanish

[olive sable]

id think maybe ping shiro but i dont want to bother him with every single thing to do witht the chess tournament

he's still a mod and has a life probably maybe

he also has his birthday still

[opaque sigil]

he's busy with school stuff atm iirc

[amber fractal]

I'm heading to eep, gn chat

[magic drum]

Not a rush at all, I was just trying to get stuff set up before going to bed. I can get back to it tomorrow

[olive sable]

i have 6 hours of platform dev today

thats a full 6 hours of C#

[jagged turtle]

!leave

[opaque sigil]

[glad path]

macos is honestly quite nice since you have support for applications made by major companies who hate linux users, and it is unix based so development is also very organized if you get what i mean

[obsidian mantle]

The more i work with cpp the more i want to quit my job

Because its so much better
I guess it could go with any normal language/ide

Just look at this crap

It goes deeper for 500 lines

And then the array is used normally like array and not bunch of separate variables
In another boilerplate

At least i can copypaste this shit using excel and notepad

[nocturne olive]

How goes the Chess?

[obsidian mantle]

Yesterday my bot won 1 game vs random-move bot and lost 20
Something is wrong with evaluation

[nocturne olive]

How silly

My bot wins 99% of the time to random moves

I really need to sort out those draws somehow

[obsidian mantle]

Yeah 3fold is a problem

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if move == otherMove somehow doesn't work

[obsidian mantle]

Get game state doesnt detect 3fold

There is a function to get zobrist hash

You can manually check it i guess

[nocturne olive]

I've been thinking I should swap to the hashes

[obsidian mantle]

Its not about moves its about overall board
You can make 2 same boards using different moves

[nocturne olive]

Also I think the hashes aren't gonna help here either because it's not even about same board state but apparently repeated moves on one of the players' part

[obsidian mantle]

Nono it should be board

[nocturne olive]

My one bot is specifically making differing moves, but the other is just moving the king back and forth, causing 3-fold repetition and my newer bot doesn't know it should move differently to avoid it

[nocturne olive]

Nope, it's moves

[obsidian mantle]

Technically the "dumb" bot can cause 3fold

By himself

[nocturne olive]

Or state of just one player

Well it does that literally every time I put ver8 and ver9 against each other

[obsidian mantle]

Hm
Google says its moves too

Its moves, board and castlinf rights and other thing

But isnt checking boards enough

[nocturne olive]

I'm now explicitly checking to see if board states repeat
But that helped literally nothing

Since board state hashes are not the same when the other player makes different moves and the other identical ones

[tender river]

@sage crag

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue how to deal with 3-fold

[obsidian mantle]

Can you check who caused 3fold

Or are you adding 3fold check to both bots?

[nocturne olive]

Even putting the same bot that tries to not 3-fold against itself causes 3-fold

[tender river]

just penalize draws

[nocturne olive]

100% of the time

[nocturne olive]

I already doooooo

[tender river]

[nocturne olive]

Any draw sets the score to 0 immediately

[obsidian mantle]

How can they get 3fold if you ban them from making same move more than 2 times

Or what exactly are you checking

[nocturne olive]

What if I just take of a ton of points from a move if it lets the opponent create a draw

[obsidian mantle]

Shiro was saying something about 3folds a while ago i think

And used hashes to deal with it? iirc

[nocturne olive]

Oh so apparently that makes it draw faster, of course it does, why wouldn't it?

[obsidian mantle]

Block opponent from causing 3fold

[nocturne olive]

I don't know how to do that

[obsidian mantle]

Then lose to him

[obsidian mantle]

Try making hash of board for every real move made and then check if your next move causes same hash more than 2 times.
Maybe start with 1 time

So every board is unique. To see if that works

[nocturne olive]

I already check if it happens more than once but that doesn't work either

[obsidian mantle]

if all boards are unique then how can it be a 3fold

[nocturne olive]

Because somehow it just doesn't care that I tell it any move with a board state that existed before is 0 points

[obsidian mantle]

Make it -9999 points

Cause its draw = loss

Also, is -9999 two or one token? The minus is a token?

[nocturne olive]

Woah
I didn't know 3-fold can consist of more turns
It just created a longer loop

[obsidian mantle]

Oh so you checking only last 3

[nocturne olive]

Well, I increased the buffer length for board states
Now instead of making a 3-fold it draws by insufficient material

Isn't that just so much better? Now it blunders its queen rather than moving its king closer

[obsidian mantle]

[nocturne olive]

I think I need to reduce the king move penalty if there is few pieces on the board

[nocturne olive]

Well now it doesn't blunder its queen
Now it makes a stalemate

Now it doesn't make a stalemate but instead draws by the 50-move rule

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAA

My bot is so terrible at Chess and I have no clue how to make it better

It would have to be able to think about piece placement and long mating chains

I guess I just need more recursion

[obsidian mantle]

I havent figured out mating mechanism either

I check king mobility but it sacrifices pieces now

[nocturne olive]

I think I just need to make it recurse more and find moves where it creates a checkmate and give those higher scores

[obsidian mantle]

Rook goes 1v1 with king only to block 1 more move for king and gladly die next turn

[nocturne olive]

It's just not finding the long mating chain it needs to win with just a queen and a king left and the opponent with only a king

I guess all these current changes are all end-game things

I'll have to make the mid-game better somehow too

Look at this nice function to count all my own pieces on the board though fun countOwnPieces(board: Board) = PieceType.entries.sumOf { ChessApi.getBitboard(board, color, it).value.countOneBits() }

I have very few functions in this because defining a function costs a lot of tokens, but I think this one should be worth it

[olive sable]

coding on tablet goes hard

[faint sandal]

goes hard as in

hard difficult

[olive sable]

Both

Its portable

My tablet has a keyboard so pretty nice all thing considered

[olive sable]

Main reason im testing this is cuz some classrooms dont have sockets to put my charger into

[nocturne olive]

So apparently 6x exponential recursion is very expensive, who could have saw that coming

Or wait did I accidentally do 8x recursion

Oops

[obsidian mantle]

6x like 6 full turns or 6 halfturns

I tried 3x halfturns so basically 2 full turns and its alright but is already visible.
I assume going deeper is too hard for me.
However i almost dont optimise it so its raw 20x20x20x20x ... moves

Probably optimisation can help a lot

[nocturne olive]

Well, there was also some weird error going on crashing things
I think it's either an error with moves being made on internal boards, a race condition with moves being made on internal boards, an issues of a similar kind when undoing moves on internal boards, a bug with the get piece function, or the Chess API returning illegal moves, then not making them and returning wrong data
It's 99% the get piece function
@real sierra You may want to note that down, I doubt my code is wrong in this case

I do think I probably need to change a thing about the Kotlin Chess API though, potentially

Just an internal thing so it returns null instead of an error if there is no piece

I'm leaning towards race condition or error in making moves on internal boards

[trim valve]

I don't see how you'd have a race condition given the part you interact with is single threaded

[nocturne olive]

Well, somehow a move I'm trying to make is not being made, or the piece in the position is not correctly obtained

It also just happened to me without having made a move on the board so scratch the race condition thing

It's something wrong with getting the piece from the board

[obsidian mantle]

Is it random or you can replicate it?

[nocturne olive]

It's just random chance, it can happen at any point but somehow more recursion increases the chance

So maybe calling the functions in quick succession, though that would indicate a race condition again

[obsidian mantle]

But get piece function is so small

Surely its safe

Or is it big. Now im not sure

[nocturne olive]

Wait am I an idiot?

Was I passing the wrong thing the whole time?

[obsidian mantle]

and your bot still did good

whats going to happen when its flawless 100% unlocked potential

Kotlin monster

[nocturne olive]

So passing the correct thing made it bug way more

[obsidian mantle]

Maybe this bug negated another bug and now it doesnt

[nocturne olive]

The options are that I'm a complete idiot and do not correctly make and undo moves or the API is a complete idiot and does not correctly make and redo moves, or the API is a complete idiot and doesn't know how to find out what piece is where

[obsidian mantle]

Do you work on 1 board or make copies

[nocturne olive]

I make a copy at the very beginning, then work with that copy

[obsidian mantle]

Try working with original

I had problems with copies yesterday too

I get 1 board now and work through whole turn in this one board

I pass its pointer into recursions as an argument but probably just getting its pointer in every recursion is ok too

Since its supposed to give same pointer anyway.

[nocturne olive]

Still bugged but somehow way less

The weirdest part is that it did at one point also happen on the plain unaltered board

Waiiiiittt am I an idiot?

Why is this line here?

Ah

I get it

It's outside the recursive part though

So it shouldn't break it

[sick owl]

Finally managed to get a stubborn package working in a distrobox

Feel like a 7head hackerman rn

[olive sable]

I bought a drawing tablet

"Wacom intuos pro medium"

Idk what that means but its big

[nocturne olive]

Made an issue for what I think is going on
Will close if I figure out I've been stupid this whole time

[tender river]

intuos pro is high end

medium is just the size i think

[stark needle]

Sam art when

[olive sable]

Its the 2017 model, the ones i found online are the new 2025 model

[olive sable]

Probably soon-ish

I still like drawing on my android tablet cuz i can see what im doing better, but this should be better for professional work

[stark needle]

Did u need to buy it for the game design stuff

[olive sable]

It was €150 so its probably good enough for what i need

[obsidian mantle]

You draw on it and look at the monitor?
Sounds uncomfortable

[olive sable]

Ye

Only need it in the 2nd semester tho

[tender river]

its just a matter of practice

touch typing is probably harder to learn

[stark needle]

Are u learning game character creation or what

Or is concept art also part

Or do u need for blender sculpt

[rigid snow]

literally took me 2 minutes to get used to

[tender river]

[trim valve]

smh I want to sit down and write a chess bot but alas, job application time instead

[olive sable]

Everything

But mostly environment

[olive sable]

Not sculpting, we do low poly

[amber fractal]

environment is always fun. Honestly it is like the #1 thing I take photos of when I'm doing a photoshoot.

[tender river]

i have to do it too

[trim valve]

surely my genius idea in my head will perfectly translate to real code and have no issues whatsoever

[rare bramble]

you get used to it over time, it's like typing without looking at the keyboard but just for drawing

[fair horizon]

Finally got the chess api running in cutechess on windows, was such a headache to achieve but now I can finally start with the actual programming part

This entire setup part felt like some sort of devilishly difficult rite of passage

[rigid snow]

great to see absolutely nothing changed. this is with one tab of twitter open

firefox should explode

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

konii no longer tv, becomes vm confirmed

[rare field]

anyone in here have gone to icpc final or ioi?

[tender river]

i highly doubt that

[maiden geyser]

people who use 4/8gb of ram need to be studied

[sage crag]

erf

it makes me irrationally angry when UI elements are called "pills"

i know a pill is a shape but please

[tender river]

toast

[sage crag]

@opaque sigil

you

ui element

[tender river]

[sage crag]

wromg chatter

[tender river]

---

🔥

[sage crag]

cook bred => lack toast

bwa

bwa

the desire to work on lily is overcoming me again but also i dont want to work on hbvm right now

[rigid snow]

you should work on something completely unrelated to hblang

[sage crag]

how

is that possible?

[tender river]

it isnt

[sage crag]

ye

it isnt

[tender river]

everything is related to hblang

[sage crag]

lack toast

[opaque sigil]

Hii

[rigid snow]

hello notification ui primitive

[sage crag]

phrr

birty

[maiden geyser]

Mordecai in #programming is crazy

[clear sedge]

twilight sparkle where

[patent walrus]

-# can we pretend that airplanes in the night sky are like shooting stars

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

haters will say it's ai

[rigid timber]

@trim valve turns out that MSVC is stupid, and while it supports C23 features, they don't have a -std option for it... but with .std("c17") it works, one just has to then also set the LIBCLANG_PATH environment variable to a folder with libclang.dll for bindgen to do its thing... I can verify that this works, the example Rust bot compiles fine and makes the random moves it should, so you could either change the std argument to cc to "c17" or it looks like "clatest" also works (but doesn't specify a precise version, just "whatever MSVC supports as latest")

[clear sedge]

"turns out that msvc is stupid"

[rigid snow]

back in my day it used to be “photoshop”

[clear sedge]

sure grandpops let's get you back to the nursing home so you can play with your ms paint

[amber fractal]

With or without the AI features?

[clear sedge]

windows xp era ms paint

the best ms paint

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

agentic paint

[rigid snow]

i saw a demo of agentic shopping today

with embedded ui

[trim valve]

can we just explode the windows users

[rigid snow]

it’s not windows users’ fault

windows users don’t work on msvc

[opaque sigil]

some of them do

[trim valve]

at this point what even is a good compromise

force everyone to use clang and just document that it needs to be installed?

it looks like I can force cc to use clang

[sage crag]

only windows devs use msvc

and windows devs dont use windows

[opaque sigil]

time to vendor clang

[trim valve]

https://docs.rs/cc/latest/cc/struct.Build.html#method.prefer_clang_cl_over_msvc

[glass flower]

that is the strat

[opaque sigil]

clang-cl the goat

[glass flower]

clang can be installed using visual installer so shouldn't be much of a issue

[trim valve]

also winget

[sage crag]

visual installer

this is #programming

[glass flower]

just not sure if its gonna be in path. i did do a ton of manual tweaks to my path for other projects

[glass flower]

[opaque sigil]

the (llvm) installer should put it in there at least

[trim valve]

https://rust-lang.github.io/rust-bindgen/requirements.html#windows

pain

[rigid snow]

we talking about windows here

[sage crag]

personally

not my problem cli installer only

[glass flower]

can you install visual studio through cli? i thought MS's Visual Installer is the only way to install all the different components

[opaque sigil]

you can give it a json file or sth with everything it should install and do that via the cli

[rigid snow]

i’ve heard about npm i -g visual-studio-tools or something like that

[glass flower]

but that would still require the visual installer to be installed

[rigid snow]

which is fucking crazy

yes npm not winget

[rigid timber]

no good compromise with C

explode C

[sage crag]

im writing an assembler

another assembler*

i wanted some syntax fluff this time

[rigid timber]

but tbh you could just make a feature flag to switch to clang... and all the Windows-specific stuff can be behind a platform flag

[fair horizon]

Doing the bot through python, is it normal that the get_piece_from_index function throws an error ("0 is not a valid PieceType") when I try to get the piece from an empty square

[sage crag]

probably missing a None in the PieceType enum

[trim valve]

windows specific solution called doing it in ci and forcing people to download prebuilt binaries on windows

[rigid timber]

ngl could be a solution too

would probably be needed for the JS integration anyway...

[fair horizon]

And get_color_from_bitboard is trying to return a Piece lol

[tender river]

isnt it better to make that depend on target?

[rigid timber]

oh yeah, msvc has its own target

then for msvc target use msvc stuff, for whatever the clang target would be use clang stuff

that would probably be x86_64-pc-windows-gnu? not sure

[opaque sigil]

if you need clang over gcc it'd be x86_64-pc-windows-gnullvm i think

[sage crag]

[tender river]

use PieceType | None instead

[tender river]

@real sierra fix

(just return None if the function returns 0)

[fair horizon]

Current bugs I got put together in 1 message for easy access:
When trying to do get_color_from_index: "-1 is not a valid PlayerColor" (Add NONE = -1 or smthng to the class idk)
When trying to do get_piece_from_index or get_piece_from_bitboard: "0 is not a valid PieceType" (Idem)
get_color_from_bitboard tries to create a PieceType class instead of a PlayerColor (Copy pasting mistake I'm guessing)

[amber fractal]

More hyprland bugs yippie, I love no monitor scaling on a laptop as a botch fix

[tender river]

thanks for the report

[fair horizon]

Luckily it's all quite trivial to fix stuff

[rigid snow]

undercooked bindings undercooked contest ban shiro

[tender river]

sherm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1375623285894807563/IMG_6849.gif

[sage crag]

Option[PieceType]

from typing import Option

[tender river]

import bad

[rigid snow]

yes pls i’d like my type system to add runtime overhead

[opaque sigil]

Union[PieceType, None]

[fair horizon]

The scuffed setup for running the bot that I use doesn't output print statements properly so now I write it to a txt file directly instead and it honestly feels like I'm comitting warcrimes by doing that

[rigid snow]

python

[sage crag]

you bad

[fair horizon]

Im bad at C 😭

[sage crag]

[tender river]

you can do print('info string abcd') i think maybe

[opaque sigil]

aren't we all

[tender river]

[tender river]

[fair horizon]

O lemme try

[rigid snow]

that’s valid, with tail too? hell yeah

[sage crag]

cant parry

is brick

[tender river]

but i just did

[sage crag]

nopies

didnt

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

Very silly

[fair horizon]

Sadly not working, might have something to do with the scuffed way that I run cutechess through windows but the bots through wsl

[nocturne olive]

How goes Chess?

[fair horizon]

I am both experiencing and committing programming warcrimes

[rigid snow]

chess not go

go different game

[fair horizon]

Go?

[nocturne olive]

How silly

[fair horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/go-igo-baduk-weiqi-fifty-fifty-gif-20018943

[rigid snow]

why

[clear sedge]

i read lda and sta and instantly had flashbacks to my 6502 assembler and emulator

[silent cloak]

this channel is chess-programming

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

6502 bindings for chess api when

[silent cloak]

bindings for my old enterprise IBM computer

[sage crag]

normal instr name

ye anyway konii writing an ISA from scratch, fun pasttime

[tender river]

ye vhdl next

[sage crag]

i will make an asic

(lie)

[rigid timber]

turns out that clang would really likely have to be behind a feature flag, not behind pc-windows-gnullvm... but it does work

[opaque sigil]

does the target break things

[rigid timber]

yeah, it fails to find stdlib.h

[opaque sigil]

damn

[rigid timber]

which is pretty important lmao

[sage crag]

this is like how you cant use fwrite_unlocked without #define _GNU_SOURCE

c is a great language

i love c

[rigid timber]

C is pretty great, the tools around it are atrocious

[sage crag]

c is not pretty great, c is perfectly plain

it is after all the baseline for modern programming languages

[clear sedge]

i love c

[tender river]

c does not bring me pain

[sage crag]

lieleaf

[tender river]

c# and java are the baseline of pain

[sage crag]

baseline of pain is whatever you are currently using

[tender river]

i am currently programming free

[sage crag]

allocator

silly

[tender river]

im not programming free

[sage crag]

wrong

you are

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

void free(void *ptr) {
  ptr = 0;
}```
idk what the fuss is about this is all free does ![Clueless](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1167230304554066040.webp?size=128 "Clueless") ![Clueleast](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1155142017840582816.webp?size=128 "Clueleast")

[olive sable]

school is over

6 hours of C# is not good for your health

[opaque sigil]

could be worse

[clear sedge]

could be 6 hours of p*thon

[tender river]

void free(void *ptr) {
  static void *libc = dlopen("libc.so", 0);
  static void(*f)(void*) = dlsym(libc, "free");
  f(ptr);
}

im done

[olive sable]

Fair

I didnt get to do anything fun do, we havent even started on functions

Or "methods"???

[clear sedge]

no dlclose

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1212937424062119967.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=nuhuh~1

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1212937424062119967.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=nuhuh~1

secret dlclose

[opaque sigil]

every method is a function but not every function is a method

[clear sedge]

methods are functions which are members of classes

[olive sable]

Arent they all methods then in C#?

[tender river]

only non-static members

[sage crag]

but wait a minute

not every procedure is a function

[tender river]

function means what you want it to mean

[opaque sigil]

yes

[tender river]

ever since c functions started being called functions

[olive sable]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

ye i always found the semantic difference silly

[opaque sigil]

okay technically no

[clear sedge]

is this a c#ism? static methods are absolutely still called methods in java

[sage crag]

function is something that transform data

[olive sable]

Java

[sage crag]

if it have any side effect at all then it also function

[tender river]

you're right

[sage crag]

methods arent real

classes arent real

all you get are structs and member functions

[opaque sigil]

big oop at it again

[sage crag]

maybe a vtable if you are lucky

[clear sedge]

wake up, none of this is real

[tender river]

i think the idea is that its a method but on the class object

[olive sable]

Depends on your concept of the word "real"

[shadow sinew]

Old Fortran joke: GOD is real, unless declared integer.

[opaque sigil]

they're just fancy namespaced functions at that point since they're not passed a class instance

[clear sedge]

you generally don't think of static members as being owned by a "class object", but yes

[olive sable]

Im at a club fair thing rn, people are trying to recruit me to their cult (magic the gathering)

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072697081443131476/1201324802053505155/mlem.gif

[olive sable]

Art

[clear sedge]

this is a bucket

[olive sable]

Dear god

[clear sedge]

there's more 🪣 🪣 🪣 🪣 🪣

[olive sable]

No

[opaque sigil]

when i hear buckets all i can think of are hash tables and filters now

[clear sedge]

hi t

[opaque sigil]

[stray dragon]

hi rain

[sage crag]

currently it remind me of improving stockfish video

[clear sedge]

** ** 🪣

[silent cloak]

missed

there

[clear sedge]

i hear bucket, i think bukkit

[tender river]

goes against flow direction

[silent cloak]

classic

[sage crag]

pouring from bucket

[stray dragon]

infinite bucket

[tender river]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-water-bucket-release-steve-gif-4556609771680331510

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

my first thought was "holy shit is that bbno$" but no that's just the garbageman from the jack black movie

[silent cloak]

"LIQUID SHIT, RELEASE!!!!!"

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-poop-liquid-shit-water-bucket-release-minecraft-movie-minecraft-gif-3391775390670683456

[clear sedge]

the consequences of alcohol

[silent cloak]

dont make me thirsty

[clear sedge]

oooo you wanna go for a jack daniel's sour don't you

[silent cloak]

i have so much sake and rum

i keep a thing of banana rum in my mini fridge too

[clear sedge]

i tried apple whiskey once

was mid

have yet to try banana rum

[silent cloak]

i didnt like it at first but when i drank enough i didnt care

[obsidian mantle]

i have a feeling there is something wrong with api

[silent cloak]

rule of developing

the API is ALWAYS at fault

[obsidian mantle]

is there a simple way to print a move

its not in the h

i guess i could temporarily add it

[clear sedge]

idk about you but i always care about the taste and how hard it goes down no matter how drunk i am

which is why i'm not at danger of alcohol poisoning
..unless i have some sprite to chase it with

[silent cloak]

my ability to code increasing as i feel the alcohol running through my veins

[clear sedge]

i could go for a long island ice tea with sprite instead of cola rn

[silent cloak]

on vacation i had so many banana mudslides

pretty much a full course meal

[clear sedge]

i've never had a banana mudslide

should i try one

[tender river]

write one yourself

[silent cloak]

they are really good

[clear sedge]

i am salivating

[silent cloak]

even normal mudslides are good

[clear sedge]

this would help me program so much better

[tender river]

note that you have to prepend info string to every line so cute chess actually picks it up as a debug string rather than a chess command

[silent cloak]

on my cruise they would give me them with a candy straw

🔥

[obsidian mantle]

i want to be sure to see the move as api sees it

i'll steal it

[clear sedge]

i'm about to cry

i can't write a gltf parser sober

but i must

i must resist

i must persevere

or i could use someone else's parser, but that's the pussy route

[rigid snow]

improved recipe. i recommend making 10 servings at once

[clear sedge]

you can't remove the liqueurs too

that's evil

[trim valve]

can I just have ice cubes instead

[rigid snow]

you compensate with vodka

[clear sedge]

but

[obsidian mantle]

looks like its hard to steal

[clear sedge]

i want a good taste

[obsidian mantle]

[clear sedge]

:(

vodka is ass :(

[tender river]

the api just returns you a Move struct

just print its fields

[clear sedge]

tf do you mean "❌"

[obsidian mantle]

i will have to bitboard shit

[clear sedge]

vodka literally tastes like hand sanitiser

[real sierra]

oopies lol

will fix

[tender river]

theres a dump_bitboard function in bitboard.h

[tender river]

or you can use bitboard_to_index in this case

[silent cloak]

this channel

[tender river]

or was it chess_index_from_bitboard

[rigid snow]

don't buy cheap vodka

[clear sedge]

i'm not rich

[rigid snow]

then buy cheap vodka

[obsidian mantle]

wait what does dump bitboard do

[clear sedge]

no

[rigid snow]

and enjoy it

[clear sedge]

i'm gonna buy cheap liqueur

[obsidian mantle]

i want to see the move as a1a2

[tender river]

ye use index_from_bitboard

it will return you a number from 0 to 63

just do % 8 and / 8

[obsidian mantle]

then i get an index

then i have to get the enum of piece

then i have to chose its letter

if only i had dump_move

[tender river]

if you just want to show "a1a2" you dont have to show the piece letter

[obsidian mantle]

i guess i have no choice this thing isnt working as i see it
its either i dont see it right or its not working right

[obsidian mantle]

oh yes why did i think i needed that

the only thing that can kill me here is board orientation

[clear sedge]

can't you just

const char letters[] = "abcdefgh";
const char numbers[] = "12345678";```
and index that

[obsidian mantle]

no i cant because depends on current side playing

or wait actually no

[rigid timber]

can you also add DLLEXPORT to all the functions in bitboard.h

[obsidian mantle]

whatever i'll do it

[maiden geyser]

why not just 'a' + int

[obsidian mantle]

cause i need 'b' too

[tender river]

too efficient

const char *pos[] = {"a1", "a2", "a3", "a4", "a5", "a6", "a7", "a8", "b1", "b2", "b3", "b4", "b5", "b6", "b7", "b8", "c1", "c2", "c3", "c4", "c5", "c6", "c7", "c8", "d1", "d2", "d3", "d4", "d5", "d6", "d7", "d8", "e1", "e2", "e3", "e4", "e5", "e6", "e7", "e8", "f1", "f2", "f3", "f4", "f5", "f6", "f7", "f8", "g1", "g2", "g3", "g4", "g5", "g6", "g7", "g8", "h1", "h2", "h3", "h4", "h5", "h6", "h7", "h8"};

[clear sedge]

or that

[real sierra]

make issue or PR so I don't forget please

[rigid timber]

[obsidian mantle]

did you just type that by hand

[real sierra]

was I drunk making this

[clear sedge]

'a' + index gives you 'a' through 'h' assuming an index >= 0 && index < 8

[maiden geyser]

can it be optimised into this by -O3?

[tender river]

no i used speech to text

[clear sedge]

same for '1' + index giving you '1' through '8'

just pick whichever one you prefer

[real sierra]

file = 'a' + index % 8;
rank = '1' + index / 8;

[clear sedge]

the performance/memory difference isn't worth thinking over since it's just a temporary thing on a modern computer anyway

[obsidian mantle]

in cpp i will probably need to const char into char* string to sting [[]asd,<>>K smth

now you gave me 50 variants i cant choose

[tender river]

just use this

other variants are worse

i sent mine as a joke

[obsidian mantle]

and index i get with get_index_from_bitboard or how is it called

which gives me 0..63 number

or 1..64?

[tender river]

0..63

[real sierra]

0..63

[obsidian mantle]

oh yes it starts with a and 1

so +0 is a and 1

[clear sedge]

what kind of psychopath would start counting index from 1
(cough cough, lua, cough cough cough)

[real sierra]

Lua

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

do we have lua bindings yet

i'm gonna make lua bindings if we don't

[real sierra]

we don't have them yet lol

[clear sedge]

screw my gltf parser, it's moonin time

[obsidian mantle]

obviously have to do some char into string magic

i forgot * somewhere right

or not

[clear sedge]

std::string(&file, 1)

or std::to_string(file), pick your poison

[keen hatch]

🎂

[real sierra]

[clear sedge]

where do i find the chess api

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/shiro-nya/2025-chess-bot-tournament/tree/main/src

[obsidian mantle]

gg

[clear sedge]

i thank you

[obsidian mantle]

nah it cant be that easy i remember playing with chars and strings before its always worst possible scenario
to_string variant:

[silent cloak]

brainfuck bindings

[clear sedge]

it's probably converting it to some kind of int
if you want a one-liner, just do cpp std::string textMove = (std::stringstream() << ('a' + index % 8) << ('1' + index / 8)).str();
(remember to include <sstream>)

very sane approach

trust

[tender river]

note that you also have to send a pr to toknt to add lua support

[obsidian mantle]

its 10450

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

sigh..

std::string textMove = (std::stringstream() << static_cast<char>('a' + index % 8) << static_cast<char>('1' + index / 8)).str();

[opaque sigil]

[clear sedge]

very VERY sane approach

do this to impress all your c++ friends

[obsidian mantle]

very insane but works thank you

[clear sedge]

[tender river]

too many tokens

at least do std::string() + (char)('a' + index % 8) + (char)('1' + index / 8))

[clear sedge]

you can do that yes

but that's the boring route

use string streams like a true alpha chad

[obsidian mantle]

i will not use that in release version i need it to debug my logic

[fast pagoda]

https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cyber-security/slimemoldcrypt-relies-on-gloopy-living-organisms-ever-changing-network-of-tendrils-for-its-dynamic-biological-encryption-engine-inventor-claims-concept-is-resistant-to-decryption-even-by-quantum-machines

Mfw my encryption got broken because I forgot to feed my slime random number generator

[sage crag]

gloopy organisims

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

no

that glorpy organisms

[fast pagoda]

Is glorp-2048 strong enough or do I have to use gloop-4096

[sage crag]

[tender river]

agree

[real sierra]

glorpy

[nocturne olive]

Did you figure out why the Chess API is broken yet?

[tender river]

the castling thing?

[obsidian mantle]

AAAA i found it

;;;;;;

[tender river]

[nocturne olive]

No, the one where getting a piecetype from a bitboard wrongly returns 0

At random

[tender river]

it can return 0 if theres no piece in there

thats expected

[nocturne olive]

If I'm not completely an idiot I am 100% sure there is a piece in the spot I am checking

[obsidian mantle]

if there is no piece it should crash

[nocturne olive]

All of the spots I'm checking even

[tender river]

k&r brackets wouldnt have this problem

[nocturne olive]

Because I am checking the spot where a move should have the piece start at before making the move, or the spot where the piece ends up after making the move, the moves being made being on an internal board element

Since the Move struct doesn't itself tell me what piece is being moved

[rigid snow]

what the fuck is this

[obsidian mantle]

it thinks a knight is still there and "takes" it

[rigid snow]

what am i even supposed to do

[obsidian mantle]

did i undo too much

[stray dragon]

uhhhhh

[rigid snow]

i figured it out one is spinning on a different axis

goddamn vllms ruining everything

[stray dragon]

that's a horrible captcha

[nocturne olive]

I have literally no idea in what situation would a piece never be in the spot a piece lands on after making a move after making that move

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl google added new pointers to their models in ai studio.. also flash-preview-09-2025? did they update the flash and flash-lite in september?

[trim valve]

which move does shiro use for castling

because technically you can move onto the rook with the king and this case is true

[obsidian mantle]

do i need to free-get board after i made a move

oh wait no its not the issue

[clear sedge]

LuaLexerBase uses var
can i update the build script so it uses java 10/11 or do i just suck it up and rewrite LuaLexerBase to be 8-compatible

[obsidian mantle]

@real sierra do i work with one board during all my calculations or i have to clone it?

it says i can push multiple moves

[real sierra]

both options are open to you

original intent was to work with one board, but some languages don't really support that paradigm, so cloning was added later

[nocturne olive]

I tried just skipping it on castling but it still bugged, so not castling

[real sierra]

castling is always a king move onto the destination square

i would hope that cute chess represents the move this way in UCI as well

[nocturne olive]

Well I assume castling would then return the piece type as king if I try looking at its starting square before making it or the ending square after making it right?

[real sierra]

that should be the case

moves also have a castle flag you can check

it's part of the struct

[nocturne olive]

Then why in the Neuro-sama is it possible for a move starting position before moving or ending position after moving to return 0?

[real sierra]

only case where that should occur is if you fetch the opponent's move on the first turn

otherwise is bug

[nocturne olive]

Well I'm about 99% confident I did not mess up on this

For some reason it has huge correlation with recursion levels

[rigid timber]

just make it iterative instead of recursive

[real sierra]

moves with no destination or origin square

that shouldn't be possible

[amber fractal]

Insert people complaining about an experimental feature here
-# It was this or pull tab on the right (hand over the command menu style )

[real sierra]

i will finally have some time to start looking at these bugs later tonight

[nocturne olive]

Yeah I'm quite sure something somewhere is either having a race condition or not making the move I ask it to make, or not undoing the move I ask it to undo

[real sierra]

race condition doesnt make sense, it's single threaded

anything that the UCI thread and main thread share (i.e. the internal api) is behind a mutex

[nocturne olive]

Well I don't know if different API calls run on different threads or not

[real sierra]

they dont

[nocturne olive]

Then probably a logic or memory corruption bug

[real sierra]

you're sure you're not reading a move array past its length or something?

[obsidian mantle]

my pieces try to eat themselves

and rooks wiggle -> <- eating themselves

(they are not there actually)

[nocturne olive]

That should not be what is happening as I have not had issues with having invalid moves in the move array

Other than the castling moves which seem to be a bug

[real sierra]

very odd

[obsidian mantle]

if i push and then get legal moves, do i get legal moves for opponent? or do i get it wrong

[real sierra]

push does not change the state of the board

[obsidian mantle]

WHAT

oooh

[nocturne olive]

Yeah push waits until done

[real sierra]

push sets a move to be played, and done submits the move

[obsidian mantle]

that was the problem the whole time

[real sierra]

if you want to manipulate a board locally, you want make_move

[nocturne olive]

Definitely not the mistake I'm making, I'm using the proper make move and undo move functions on a board pointer

[obsidian mantle]

i thought i can push and check opponent

what does undo stand for then

if board isnt updated

i just cancel last push i guess

[real sierra]

see make_move

[obsidian mantle]

finally thank you now i get it

[nocturne olive]

Yeah make move updates a board but doesn't push

Or should at least

I don't know if that could be the thing breaking or not

[real sierra]

no, that should be fine

get_board returns a clone of the internal board so any changes you make to it should be self-contained

gotta go for now

if you find anything else out about those null moves, ping me or open issue so i can see it later

[obsidian mantle]

i have to get new board after i made a move?

[real sierra]

sorry for bugs, we'll get them patched

[real sierra]

no, you don't have to

[obsidian mantle]

but if its a clone

its a pointer to one and only board isnt it

if i made no clones

[nocturne olive]

I don't know if they're null moves or the board state internally not reflecting the moves, or the moves being behind the board state, because the function that breaks ends up being getPieceFromBitboard

[real sierra]

get_board returns a copy of the real board for you to experiment with
make_move lets you make moves on that copy of the board to explore positions and check the legal moves available
undo_move undoes one make_move
push selects a move to be played on the actual board
done submits the most recent move pushed to be played by the bot on the actual board

[nocturne olive]

That's how it should work if it's working anyway

[rigid snow]

i use that. for me it doesn't trigger unless i swipe right from the edge. it might be an ios specific thing or a setting or something i don't remember

point is i never trigger it accidentally

[nocturne olive]

Right now I have to waste a ton of extra tokens catching an error

[fierce ether]

1515 tokens

lord have mercy

[nocturne olive]

Which hopefully won't be there on final, either I make it return null if it bugs on the API side or it gets fixed

[rigid timber]

surely you can reduce that with some playing around

[amber fractal]

Android has a few conflicts because the system prios the "directly from the edge", so the only option would to be fullscreen or use pull tab

[rigid snow]

oh right the back gesture is from both sides for you

[amber fractal]

Yep

[alpine plume]

Have you ever logged which moves you get this error on? I got three invalid "e8g8" moves in the last test and nothing else.

[amber fractal]

I'd accept pull tab if it were on the top of the screen

[nocturne olive]

The castling breaking stuff is a known issue that the cause for just happens to be not known
But we have no clue what causes this other bug, specifically excluding castling moves from the breaking function still breaks

[real sierra]

they've been trying to reduce it from 2700 or so for the last few days

[amber fractal]

Honestly, hand over the PC search bar as a top swipe similar to obsidian's mobile app. I'd like to see that.

[rigid timber]

dam

[nocturne olive]

Well for now I guess I'll try my recursion bot with the bug temporarily mitigated

[rigid timber]

they should make it opensource so we can help, and totally not because we can then make strategies against the bot

[nocturne olive]

Actually I kinda wonder what happens if you try to make the invalid castling move on the internal virtual board and then try to undo it

If that desyncs the undo and redo count from each other then that would explain why things explode

[alpine plume]

nothing much happens. I do it all the time during search because I don't care and cutechess just catches it

[nocturne olive]

And would mean fixing the invalid moves being provided would fix the other issues

But if the internal board state just accepts the invalid move and makes it anyway, and then also properly undoes it, then that's not it

[hollow spruce]

yo

[amber fractal]

o

[sage crag]

yoot

[rigid snow]

that is basically how it works for me since swiping the message is quick reply

[patent laurel]

does anyone know why this is happening? im using the example bot in python on windows

[obsidian mantle]

this is pretty weird

i also got games before when it lasted for much more turns after this

i probably undo something wrong again

[hollow spruce]

hard

[real sierra]

make_move does not perform legality checks on the move supplied

and undo_move restores a copy, so regardless of move made it should work

[nocturne olive]

Hmm
Could making an illegal move corrupt the board state?

Hmmm

[real sierra]

it could result in a board that isn't possible

[nocturne olive]

Hmmmmmmmm

[real sierra]

if you're making illegal moves that's your fault

[nocturne olive]

So then I have no clue as to what causes it
You'll have to figure out what could be going wrong

[nocturne olive]

Not when the API says it's legal, so fix that one

The castling bug

[opaque sigil]

shouldn't the function that returns legal moves return legal moves

[rigid timber]

nah, break the law

[nocturne olive]

It should, but there is a bug where sometimes it returns illegal castling moves

Hopefully all these bugs can be fixed so I don't need extra code to handle them

[real sierra]

true

castling bug is hopefully an easy fix

probably just need to tweak a mask

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what could potentially cause the board state corruption though

[olive sable]

new dr stone episode

[real sierra]

it's always e8*8

[fierce ether]

1506 tokens

[real sierra]

so it's specifically a castling issue with black

[rigid timber]

I wonder how hard it would be to run a bunch of existing games on it to see if there are any remaining subtle bugs

lichess has quite the big database after all

[olive sable]

oh the season ended

bwaa

[trim valve]

at one point I ran 100k random move games

which took maybe 15m?

[real sierra]

there are so many sneaky edge cases and half of them are because of en passant

for example uhhh

[trim valve]

^

this was found by sheer chance

[rigid timber]

fun, those things

[sage crag]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072697081443131476/1201324802053505155/mlem.gif

[real sierra]

k-------
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K---pP-r
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[olive sable]

en passant got invented in the 15th century
programmers in the 14th century:

[sage crag]

programmers in the 14th century

[olive sable]

time travel be crazy

[rigid timber]

ah yes, the classic "x-ray-pinned pawn"

[real sierra]

it is illegal for the black pawn P to en passant capture here

because it removes both pawns from the 4th rank and places the black king in check

[obsidian mantle]

how the hell do you checkmate

it just eats all random bots pieces and then slowly dies to bare king

[rigid timber]

by making it so the opponent has no legal moves that would put the king out of check

[obsidian mantle]

makes sense

it will need more time i guess

[rigid timber]

some people try to force the king to the side of the board, usually gives you a better chance that it'll find a sequence of moves that result in a mate

[real sierra]

ultimately it's a hard problem tho

a late-game empty board has a lot of legal moves since the rook, bishop and queen rays extend so far

and you often need to search deep to find a mate

[obsidian mantle]

at least my bot stopped losing to random bot

[rigid timber]

[obsidian mantle]

thats something

[real sierra]

my bot still needs fixing but no time

transposition tables broke it big time

[nocturne olive]

A lot of things definitely still broken

While I wait for fixes I'll just make Teto even more Finnish

[amber fractal]

Well, I found a method to get it working. (Discord is now considered a game mhm)

It is still cursed

Alrighty, enough jank.

[fierce ether]

1503

[rigid snow]

3 tokens in 20 minutes

[real sierra]

I notice the token count is shedding a lot slower

which language are you using

[fierce ether]

C

[real sierra]

how many macros

[fierce ether]

one

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

:uhh:

[real sierra]

you haven't used macros yet?

[rigid timber]

we're allowed to use macros?

[stray dragon]

lmao

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

in C? yeah

[rigid timber]

okay, what about other languages?

[stray dragon]

if the language has them, yeah

[amber fractal]

Python macros (real)

[glass flower]

why wouldn't you be allowed to use macros?

[real sierra]

I mean the rules didn't say anything about macros I don't think

[rigid timber]

pretty sure Shiro was talking about not allowing them at some point before the thing began

[trim valve]

I love writing my own bindings, I get to fix issues I find for free

[real sierra]

I had considered it but ultimately it wasn't necessary

the rules on the GitHub are accurate (and subject to changes which will be recorded in the change log)

[rigid timber]

[amber fractal]

In the words of shiro, embrace bclose

[stray dragon]

i feel like adding macros is a fun challenge as well

[real sierra]

bclose

#define bclose ) {

[rigid timber]

I mean, it kills languages without macros but whatever

[real sierra]

ultimate token savings

[real sierra]

not really

the macro definition still counts for tokens

so it's basically a function at that point

[rigid timber]

so just use functions

[glass flower]

its like a function. but more

[real sierra]

can't make a function for } return rv; } void

[fierce ether]

https://github.com/strubium/ChessBot2025/commit/660d6de1260088001d1222ce7ab72b4189d34aeb

souce code if anybody wants to make fun of me, still not using the api and im happy about it