programming

[real sierra]

???

[fast pagoda]

wsl addon in vscode it will connect automatically assuming you installed wsl2 already running wsl code . will launch wsl and connect in the current directory

[clear sedge]

me justifying having my own json parser:

[obsidian mantle]

and i can run cutechess in that wsl? its complete vm?

[clear sedge]

it's a whole ass vm running ubuntu on it

you can run anything on it

[trim valve]

idk when it works its alright

[obsidian mantle]

alright sounds legit

[clear sedge]

even something like firefox

[obsidian mantle]

[opaque sigil]

that when is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

[clear sedge]

though i've been recently told wsl is ass in terms of gui

[obsidian mantle]

at least wslg sounds like something that wont require weeks to set up

[trim valve]

I don't use it much

[fast pagoda]

it's basically identical to just running in linux as far as anything involving the shell you can barely notice it's wsl

[trim valve]

it works for chess though

[opaque sigil]

the gui should run fine but hardware accel is not a thing really (without a lot of annoying changes on your end at least)

[clear sedge]

pshhhht hardware accel is for pussies anyway

run everything on the cpu

[real sierra]

you can set the animation time to 0 in cute chess settings if you're worried about graphics degrading your performance

[fast pagoda]

running wsl in vscode for months was what made me fine with just saying fuck, wiping my system drive and installing arch

[real sierra]

it's not exactly raytraced anyway

[opaque sigil]

me when i run the nixos installer and my gpu is too new for the open source drivers so firefox crashes trying to software render

[clear sedge]

then you got programmer socks and lived happily ever after

[fast pagoda]

it came with the socks

[clear sedge]

yes

[fast pagoda]

they just appeared in my closet

[trim valve]

I would switch to linux but little things bug me

[obsidian mantle]

this whole chess tournament operation is just linux sect recruiting

[clear sedge]

i had to buy my own set of programmer socks separately because i use fedora

[fast pagoda]

well at least you get a cool hat

[clear sedge]

true

[nocturne olive]

Silliness

[fast pagoda]

i ran nobara for a while but then i got pissed at no AUR again so went back to arch

[clear sedge]

once you go aur you can never go back

[fast pagoda]

it's not even really the AUR although it's great just mindlessly searching on it for pretty much anything if it's not already in the arch repos

pacman itself

[nocturne olive]

I turned Kotlin into Python

[clear sedge]

i am going to vomit

[nocturne olive]

I can just leave out all the brackets

So many tokens saved

[clear sedge]

this is so immoral

[nocturne olive]

But tokens

[amber fractal]

Blame chess

[nocturne olive]

I saved 4 tokens

Huge

[real sierra]

right mindset

[tender river]

i can thanks to nix

[obsidian mantle]

is it guaranteed that whatever slop i make in wsl will build on shiro's pc

[real sierra]

4 tokens goes a long way

[trim valve]

surely this can be if (turn <xor> (indexFromBitboard(move.from) < indexFromBitboard(move.to))) 3 else 1

[real sierra]

with my macros, 4 tokens gets me an entire for loop

[trim valve]

maybe not actually

shrug

[nocturne olive]

I'm doing so many little things to reduce the token count all over the place, which makes the code look horrible at times but it saves tokens and that's all that matters here

[trim valve]

they're both booleans so shruge

[clear sedge]

you can box the first index and use the power of comparables to probably save more tokens

[tender river]

would be something like this in haskell

scoreCpy * if (if turn then (<) else (>)) (indexFromBitboard $ from move) $ indexFromBitboard $ to move then 3 else 1

[clear sedge]

thanks i hate it

it's hideous

it makes me want to cry

[tender river]

you have no say in this

java dev

[nocturne olive]

Two tokens saved

[clear sedge]

i do things other than java too :(

[tender river]

ye like writing java in other languages

[clear sedge]

this is slander

[tender river]

it is truth

[clear sedge]

slander

false news

[opaque sigil]

every time i need to use my laptop i miss comma

[nocturne olive]

I should probably see how my current thing does at some point

And at the same time set up the build pipeline

[clear sedge]

it's time to write memory arena shenanigans in

NOT JAVA

second monster of the day here i come

[real sierra]

int from = chess_get_index_from_bitboard(move->from br_sc
int to = chess_get_index_from_bitboard(move->to br_sc

scoreCpy *= turn == (from < to) ? 3 : 1;

[nocturne olive]

What magical language is that?

[real sierra]

C

[nocturne olive]

Crazy

[real sierra]

macros lead to many powers thought unnatural

[fast pagoda]

where's the FORTRAN66 chess bot

[obsidian mantle]

wait, is macros c-exclusive thing?

[fast pagoda]

no

[tender river]

no

[clear sedge]

you wrote from twice you dingus

[real sierra]

nah they're in C++ too

[real sierra]

oopies

[tender river]

but java doesnt have them

[obsidian mantle]

i mean c/cpp

[tender river]

no

[real sierra]

my C doesn't look like C half the time

[nocturne olive]

So I think the current bot may be a lot better than random moves already

[clear sedge]

rust has something similar to macros

[real sierra]

chess_get_board no_args_after_board

[tender river]

it literally has macros

[real sierra]

that's a line in my code

[clear sedge]

macros are similar to macros

my point stands

[fast pagoda]

true

rust's macros are actually way better than c macros afaik

[clear sedge]

yeah :(

[nocturne olive]

I think Kotlin doesn't have macros, so at least it's not the most ultimate language of all time

[real sierra]

rust

[trim valve]

depends how you define better

[opaque sigil]

after having to write a bunch of them honestly idk if i agree anymore

[fast pagoda]

if your language does not have a preprocessor then idk what you'd be saving with macros

[opaque sigil]

i think i'd rather write c macro spaghetti

[tender river]

i feel like

[fast pagoda]

type safe (cant believe im saying this)

[clear sedge]

rust macros are a pain to write but they are indeed more powerful

[tender river]

rust macros arent type safe

they run before the type system

rust macros are better for some use cases but worse for just quickly copypasting code

[nocturne olive]

My bot is pretty silly, it tries to always advance its pieces, will take a checkmate if it sees one available, will take a promotion if available, will take a piece if possible
It just does a bunch of stuff already
And definitely beats all random moves by a lot

My bot vs random moves

[fast pagoda]

i would hope checking like 1 move depth search would beat random most of the time

[obsidian mantle]

what the hell i installed wsl it says i have no wsl distros in vscode

weird

[nocturne olive]

Yeah this is nothing crazy but it sure beats random moves

[obsidian mantle]

i'll try run wsl separately from vscode

[tender river]

mm depends on what you mean

they are more powerful in that the syntax is more flexible

[clear sedge]

yes

[tender river]

especially proc macros

[fast pagoda]

yeah i guess i was saying that since it runs on the syntax tree rather than just expanding literally any text yolo mode that matches so they are safe-ER

[fierce ether]

my bot loves draw by 3-fold repetition

its so peak

[tender river]

but they are less powerful in that theres more restrictions and boilerplate

[clear sedge]

well yeah

true that

[tender river]

and i hate boilerplate so i tend to avoid macros

proc macros have even more boilerplate but sadly they're actually useful

i write them very often

[clear sedge]

i avoid rust macros whenever i can

[real sierra]

draws are always tricky in chess engines

[clear sedge]

[olive sable]

we need a #programming logo

[real sierra]

my engine penalizes draws, same as losses

no surrender

[clear sedge]

oh my god i have a genius strategy

[nocturne olive]

I did something funny
Random moves didn't get any move here

[obsidian mantle]

day 1/... of setting up linux

[clear sedge]

make the best chess bot ever but throw in a random move every few random seconds

[olive sable]

who here does graphic design? my budget is 10 bucks, a mcdonalds tshirt, and a mcdonalds cap

[clear sedge]

i am so smart

[clear sedge]

holy shit mcdonald's merch

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue how it's possible for random moves to not play anything here

[olive sable]

mcdonalds employee dresscode merch

[nocturne olive]

@real sierra Bug? Though I'm not on the very latest build of the Chess API

[tender river]

are you filtering the move list before that?

[obsidian mantle]

what did i run wsl --install for if it gave me 0 distros

[clear sedge]

i think you made it give up

[rigid timber]

well try the latest first...

[nocturne olive]

It's literally the example bot

[clear sedge]

command prompt yucky run it in powershell as admin

[nocturne olive]

Somehow it didn't find any of the many possible moves in this position

[obsidian mantle]

i assume i do this

[tender river]

its probably windows terminal

[clear sedge]

yes

the instructions state this

[obsidian mantle]

is it braindead

[clear sedge]

hu

[obsidian mantle]

use --install

[clear sedge]

you wrote intall

[obsidian mantle]

oh

[rigid timber]

all the ints

[obsidian mantle]

its installing

[clear sedge]

you absolute sillybrain

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeaaahhhhj

[clear sedge]

it's ubuntin time

[nocturne olive]

I forgot the test bot only does 500 total moves

[clear sedge]

ubuntus all over the place

[nocturne olive]

I should compile one that doesn't do that

[tender river]

note that you'll have to use cute chess from ubuntu as well

[obsidian mantle]

cant wait to get 500 problems that require 5000 console command each to solve

[obsidian mantle]

thats exactly what i need so makes sense

[clear sedge]

if you were using cygwin yeah, but i expect wsl to be easier in this regard

[tender river]

is cygwin still a thing

[opaque sigil]

unfortunately yes

[clear sedge]

yes

[real sierra]

was this actually a bug btw or

did updating fix

[nocturne olive]

It was just the test bot being bad

It only ever makes 500 moves

[real sierra]

test bot

[nocturne olive]

I made it while(true)

[obsidian mantle]

is it normal that it connects for 3 minutes

[nocturne olive]

So this is a bit concerning

[rigid timber]

lazy-ass bot

[real sierra]

kinda a holdout from the early days of the API where it could get stuck in a busy loop and fry your terminal

[nocturne olive]

The illegal moves are not good

[real sierra]

now that looks like a real bug

[nocturne olive]

I should try the same on latest API

[real sierra]

can you find the relevant games in the pgn

[obsidian mantle]

wtf is it doing for 5 minutes

[tender river]

same illegal moves

[real sierra]

I would love a test case for these bugs

[obsidian mantle]

can it conflict with my vpn

[real sierra]

e8c8 what even is that

[clear sedge]

uhh i mean it's connecting to localhost

[real sierra]

is that castling

[obsidian mantle]

for 5 minutes

[sage crag]

its a rook or queen move

[obsidian mantle]

i dont see vm running

[sage crag]

could be castling

[obsidian mantle]

do i have to launch it myself

[clear sedge]

try turning off your vpn i guess

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tender river]

looks like castling

[rigid timber]

e8c8 is queenside castling

[tender river]

since its e8c8 and e8g8

[clear sedge]

i don't think it'll make a difference but you never know

[opaque sigil]

it could be downloading the code server and the vpn interferes with that

[clear sedge]

possible

[opaque sigil]

i've run into issues with vpns under wsl2 before, had to tune the mtu

[real sierra]

castling is so annoying to check

[opaque sigil]

was too high so things just broke, like git

[real sierra]

need to check if any of the squares involved are attacked by the enemy, need to check castling rights, need to ensure the squares between are empty

[obsidian mantle]

didnt help i feel like vscode just stuck

[real sierra]

most of it is done with giant masks

[obsidian mantle]

your linux sucks

[clear sedge]

does vs code run a daemon

[real sierra]

I wonder if the masks are missing ull

[obsidian mantle]

how do i know what it runs

[sage crag]

vscode runtime is server and client

[rigid timber]

it could run a demon, that's for sure

[clear sedge]

check task manager and MURDER vs code

[nocturne olive]

Update to latest, 100% bugged

[real sierra]

it's castling

[opaque sigil]

try launching wsl manually and run code inside it

[rigid timber]

lost twice to random moves

[obsidian mantle]

when i run wsl it just opens empty console window

maybe its not installed properly

[real sierra]

mfw 1 in 2000 chance bug

[opaque sigil]

when you went to install it, did it ask you for a unix username and password

[nocturne olive]

Having a CPU that can run 1000 games quickly is good for testing

[real sierra]

no it's closer to 1 in 200

[tender river]

1/2000 pretty good all things considered

[sage crag]

bytecode interpreter

bytecode

[tender river]

1/200 more so

[sage crag]

interpreter

bytecode

[obsidian mantle]

i dont think so

there was a username without password i think

[nocturne olive]

Now where does this thing save results to?

Like logs or whatever

[clear sedge]

logs?

who needs logs

[opaque sigil]

it might also just be asking for a username, been a while

[clear sedge]

use cheat engine to read the raw memory

[real sierra]

if you set a file for the tournament results

[obsidian mantle]

its not asking anything at all

[real sierra]

it should write each game there in PGN notation

then you can just grep for e8g8 or something

[clear sedge]

grep my beloved ❤️

[opaque sigil]

well it only asks when you install it

try reinstalling i guess, wsl --shutdown; wsl --unregister ubuntu; wsl --install ubuntu; wsl -d ubuntu

[obsidian mantle]

any command with wsl just empty command prompt

i'll restart pc again

[opaque sigil]

hmm so wsl just completely hangs huh

[obsidian mantle]

yes

[opaque sigil]

you could try killing its process(es) but yeah, restarting would be the easiest way

[obsidian mantle]

so linux loves reboots

[nocturne olive]

@real sierra This is 2000 games, some of which had the bug

I think anyway

[opaque sigil]

nah this is a windows issue

wsl shouldn't be hanging

[nocturne olive]

Results

[clear sedge]

windows try not to be a pain in the ass challenge (impossible)

[fast pagoda]

Naturally the one time I'm like nah it's super ez it's the one where it explodes instantly from nothing

[real sierra]

thanks, this is super helpful for debugging

[nocturne olive]

I can run thousands of games if you need, I've got a decent CPU

[clear sedge]

that reminds me

[obsidian mantle]

alright i think it worked, now it wants to create user account

[trim valve]

keep in mind it will crash if you try and log too many games

[clear sedge]

i still need to run my json parser on my craptop and see how it performs

[trim valve]

or more specifically too many threads I think

idk it really disliked 100k games

it just flat out refused to make the pgn file

[real sierra]

idk if I've ever seen this channel so lively

[obsidian mantle]

wait is it just command prompt

no gui

[fast pagoda]

that reminded me, i have the linux user urge to buy the shittiest $100 laptop and slap linux on it for ???

[opaque sigil]

by default yes

[obsidian mantle]

how am i supposed to play chess in terminal

[clear sedge]

oh my god same

[obsidian mantle]

bro

[opaque sigil]

you launch cute-chess

[trim valve]

noway same

[opaque sigil]

wsl2 does support gui apps

[trim valve]

I just don't want to buy a laptop that's too shitty

[real sierra]

prompt can make windows

dw

[fast pagoda]

ME

[opaque sigil]

it just doesn't come with a desktop environment

[nocturne olive]

While you try to figure out what is bugging in the API I'll do some quick figuring out on what to do about stalemates and stuff

[fast pagoda]

open RIGHT NOW on one of my tabs

[clear sedge]

is that a neuro cursor

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

yes

lmao

[clear sedge]

look at my cursor guys

[real sierra]

bugfix may take some time I have an assignment to complete tonight lol

[clear sedge]

isn't it prebby

[fast pagoda]

i forgot i have had that on for a few days

[trim valve]

my requirement of "must be amd" really isn't helping

[nocturne olive]

Silly
I'll just keep developing and ignore the illegal moves

[real sierra]

if it's a C API issue it'll vanish at some point

[nocturne olive]

Yeah I only play moves that come out of the API so it's definitely the API providing wrong moves

[fast pagoda]

yeah i keep increasing the price because i want an amd system but all the truly shitty ones want me to use a god awful N4000 celeron or the newer but still VERY poopy N100 and its ilk

[obsidian mantle]

do i need this

[real sierra]

I need this pthread support working for mac tho

[real sierra]

for Linux yes

then you just run it

[clear sedge]

fuck you you made me look up shitty laptops in my area

now i'm sifting through market listings

[trim valve]

my current debate is if whether or not I spend ~£400

[opaque sigil]

make sure to run chmod +x Cute_Chess-1.4.0-x86_64.AppImage before you run it

[clear sedge]

the plague runs deeper

[trim valve]

because on one hand its not too bad

[fast pagoda]

dont look at minipcs or you'll be like me soon enough

[trim valve]

but on the other hand that's a lot of money for a linux laptop that idk how much I'll use

[clear sedge]

run chmod 777 to be extra sure you can run it :)

[trim valve]

oh no

I didn't realize they made minisforums that cheap

ah that's without ram or storage

[clear sedge]

in fact do sudo chmod -R 777 / :)

[fast pagoda]

that one is

[clear sedge]

(this is a joke)

[fast pagoda]

but you can get so much for like $200-400

[clear sedge]

(don't do that please)

[obsidian mantle]

i checked twice i dont see typo this time

[opaque sigil]

./chess.AppImage

[clear sedge]

do ./ before it

windows user mindset

[fast pagoda]

7730u with everything

$300

[obsidian mantle]

let me guess sudo apt libopengl

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

didnt work

[fast pagoda]

sudo apt update
sudo apt install mesa-utils libglu1-mesa-dev freeglut3-dev mesa-common-dev```

you are missing any graphics drivers

[trim valve]

do not

I will

[clear sedge]

mesa ftw

[trim valve]

but I shouldn't

[clear sedge]

sudo apt update might take a small while depending on your internet speed

[obsidian mantle]

does it even have internet

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

yes

[clear sedge]

it should

[obsidian mantle]

doesnt look like

[real sierra]

I'm so curious how many people are silently working away at this

[obsidian mantle]

oh hold up it worked

it just took 20 seconds

[fast pagoda]

me neither but ive had one of the $100-$150 shitty n100/n150/n97 tier ones in my cart at various points so munch

i so close

[obsidian mantle]

no it didnt

[trim valve]

I absolutely would want a modern amd one

[clear sedge]

i'm gonna do it i'm gonna look up cheap laptops

[fast pagoda]

amd stops me every time

yes

you can get like

5700~ tier amd for under $200

pretty frequently

[obsidian mantle]

nvm it said its up to date

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

phrrr

[fast pagoda]

does glxgears run

[fast pagoda]

do without mesa-utils

[obsidian mantle]

freelut too

[trim valve]

hmm yes let me buy the mobile cpu equivalent of my pc

great idea

[amber fractal]

I was gunning for a N100 system in the past. I got the best I could for $200

[real sierra]

what about freeglut3-dev

[fast pagoda]

very close

[obsidian mantle]

is this ok

[fast pagoda]

probably not needed either i dont run ubuntu so idk what exactly is needed i just googole it so

[nocturne olive]

Funny, half the time it draws against its new variant that attempts to avoid draws

[cosmic sphinx]

wow, another qwen release today @sick owl

[opaque sigil]

is your vpn on

[obsidian mantle]

of course i cant access discord without it

[fast pagoda]

welp

[nocturne olive]

And the other half of the time the new variant wins

[clear sedge]

i think you're cooked

turn off your vpn and try again

[nocturne olive]

How is it so perfectly 50/50

[obsidian mantle]

i will add wsl to the list so it doesnt run through vpn

[fast pagoda]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/troubleshooting#wsl-has-no-network-connectivity-once-connected-to-a-vpn

[obsidian mantle]

im not sure it will not make it worse though

im in bad country

[real sierra]

seems that the outcome depends on the color they play, mk2 only wins as black and thus always draws as white

[nocturne olive]

Weird

I assume what actually happens is that MK1 always draws as black

[fast pagoda]

dont mind me jus watchin gearz

[real sierra]

is your algorithm fully deterministic

[clear sedge]

i love gears

[nocturne olive]

Yeah no RNG in it

[real sierra]

interesting

mine is the exact opposite

[nocturne olive]

It's a simple evaluation function

[obsidian mantle]

Ok disabling vpn helped

[nocturne olive]

It's also just 316 tokens big

[clear sedge]

that's tiny

[lapis wraith]

No. This is not a good idea. I know

[obsidian mantle]

LETSGOOO

wasnt too hard

[amber fractal]

@fast pagoda it was a N100 system ig

[obsidian mantle]

just needed to know exact commands

out of nowhere

[sick owl]

Oh now that is nice

[clear sedge]

[fast pagoda]

there's so many with n150 etc that are so cheap rn

and you can upgrayyd ram/storage w/e

[sick owl]

Wait its just a python app over omni lmao

[fast pagoda]

kinda tempting to get one and mount it to the VESA mount on a cheap portable monitor

then it's the world's shittest form factor laptop if u have a keyboard

8945HS for $600

[amber fractal]

I ended up on a N100 with triple monitor, 2 HDMI 1 C, dual 2.5GB. All upgradable including 2.5inch

DDR5 is nice tho

500GB 16GB

[fast pagoda]

yeah i keep getting hung up on kinda wanting ddr5 for futureproof and then it hits a price range that goes from goofy to "are you fuckin stupid what are you actually using this for idiot"

[obsidian mantle]

uuhh how do i build it now

i need to cmake it or smth?

can i build it in vscode

[opaque sigil]

@obsidian mantle i have an admittedly scary looking command you can use to try out to get internet working inside wsl if you feel like it (it only lowers the minimum packet size for compatibility)

[obsidian mantle]

it works, i disabled vpn

[glass flower]

what language are you using for your bot again?

[amber fractal]

I pretty much got the best I can, and honestly just a small upgrade over these

[trim valve]

£700 is surely worth never having to deal with windows usb passthrough shenanegans

[obsidian mantle]

i gave it source files for bot now i have to build it
in windows i used clang and bat file

[opaque sigil]

i meant with the vpn on

[fast pagoda]

what about $400

[glass flower]

clang exists in linux.. not sure if its installed by default on your ubuntu tho

[cosmic sphinx]

[obsidian mantle]

i assume its made so you have to install maximum amount of additional shit possible so no it shouldnt exist on my ubuntu

[fast pagoda]

yeah wsl default install is super minimal

[obsidian mantle]

now the thing that scares me

so i have to

[opaque sigil]

sudo apt install lsb-release wget software-properties-common gnupg -y
echo -ne '\n' | sudo bash -c "$(wget -O - https://apt.llvm.org/llvm.sh)"
LLVM_VERSION=$(echo $(ls /usr/bin | /usr/bin/grep clang | /usr/bin/grep -oP '\d{2}') | tr ' ' '\n' | sort -n | tail -1)
sudo apt install clang-format-$LLVM_VERSION
sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/clang-$LLVM_VERSION /usr/bin/clang
sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/clangd-$LLVM_VERSION /usr/bin/clangd
sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/clang++-$LLVM_VERSION /usr/bin/clang++
sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/ld.lld-$LLVM_VERSION /usr/bin/ld.lld
sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/clang-format-$LLVM_VERSION /usr/bin/clang-format

to get llvm (clang)

[obsidian mantle]

build .so library,
then i have to link it

then i have to

do something else

and it all in bare terminal

[trim valve]

honestly very tempting

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

i like my NAS box to have a bit of processing power for M A X I O

[real sierra]

🗣️ 💬 🔥 phrr

[amber fractal]

OCuLink is actually banger

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1212937424062119967.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=nuhuh~1

[sage crag]

she fell and broke her spine

[amber fractal]

I should look for mini PCs again just to see what amazon can give

[olive sable]

give me a number between 0 and 1030

[amber fractal]

1024

[sage crag]

93

[opaque sigil]

pi

[olive sable]

aight, i keep 1024 and put 6 bucks into my savings account

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

i dont think i can split it that way

[tender river]

ye me

no spine still fine

[real sierra]

number of the day

Sam please deposit some tokens in my account

[tender river]

[olive sable]

what do i get in return?

there is not much you could offer

[real sierra]

you get vticutcoytbknibyehjobdavm

[olive sable]

i dont want that

[real sierra]

why not

[olive sable]

why yes?

[real sierra]

it's worth 1024 tokens to me

[olive sable]

suply and demand bro

i have 0 demand for that

[fast pagoda]

sudo dpkg --force-all -i vticutcoytbknibyehjobdavm for a good time

[real sierra]

what

not running that

[sage crag]

moth

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

it's dpkg so it would only do anything if there's a vticutcoytbknibyehjobdavm in that dir anyways

[sage crag]

NOT eat

[obsidian mantle]

there are 50 clangs on ubuntu which one do i use

so its compatible with shiro's

[opaque sigil]

i gave you the snippet to install everything you need related to clang

[obsidian mantle]

oh i thought it was internet related sorry

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

the problem is the built-in ones are all outdated af so you want to get it from llvm directly

[sage crag]

gcc

[fast pagoda]

ubuntu

"b-b-b-b- we backported 3984157901384019234809 security fixes to the one from 2016"

[olive sable]

chat, build me an investment robot and yall can keep the profit of the first month

the goal is to make money

[amber fractal]

bwaa PSUs (we are stealing from eachother)

[real sierra]

represent investments as a chess game and you will have many investment robots by November

[amber fractal]

-# I am not posting context

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hollow-night-silksong-faridulasimanet-sherma-silksong-gif-171830693794769624

fa ri du la tzi ma net
do ni pua na vori net
pi na sa mi maini set
dana fon siu ro va

[olive sable]

i dont really care baout having multiple, i need 1 really good one

[olive sable]

oh ye i said id buy silksong once i got paid didnt i? aight

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-silksong-hornet-music-dance-gif-10959803614592847416

[fast pagoda]

where's the hollow knight dating sim

they said there would be one in 2026

[opaque sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-sherma-gif-2986195004408800413

[fast pagoda]

like 10 years ago

WHERE IS IT

[obsidian mantle]

Do i abandon clang and go gcc for 100% compatibility

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/sherma-silksong-hornet-gif-1455222701881019442

[fast pagoda]

they are meant to be compatible almost entirely unless you're using some sort of weird optimizations/features from one

[trim valve]

if I buy a minipc I can throw nixos on it and then cheap out on a laptop to do remote nixos builds

[obsidian mantle]

Ok so same question

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGpXlJ3r8SE

[obsidian mantle]

There are 500 gccs

[real sierra]

sherma

?

[obsidian mantle]

I typed sudo apt install gcc surely its enough

[real sierra]

probably fine

worst case you uninstall and get a different version

if it works it works

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1375623285894807563/IMG_6849.gif

ye sherma

[opaque sigil]

finally, no more , as decimal point

[obsidian mantle]

God linux is awful

[opaque sigil]

It's a familiarity thing

It do be different

[tender river]

also its ubuntu

though gcc would work just fine (clang from the repos too, you dont have to use a new version)

shiro does use c23 features but not that many, it should compile on most c11 compliant compilers

[obsidian mantle]

Uuh what extention do i build

Its not exe is it

[tender river]

linux binaries dont have an extension

[fast pagoda]

you can run anything as long as it's marked executable

[tender river]

# to build, as long as you have gcc or clang installed
# do once
cc -o libchess.so -shared bitboard.c chessapi.c -fPIC
# do after every cpp file change
c++ -o bot_exec -lchess bot.cpp

# to run
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./bot_exec

[obsidian mantle]

Oh and i will have to mark it with some 1000 token command again

[fast pagoda]

chmod +x = 1000 tokens

[obsidian mantle]

gcc cant find files i give him

[glass flower]

i got my launch task figured out. i can now press F5 to compile, and play 10 games of my bot. and after im done it tells me the tokens

[tender river]

are you sure you're in the right directory?

[obsidian mantle]

True i wasnt

[tender river]

cant help without screenshot sorry

[obsidian mantle]

How did you know

[real sierra]

chayleaf answered all these questions for me 2 weeks ago

I trained them well

[fast pagoda]

for the record in powershell to give permissions to execute a file it's icacls "filename" /grant UserName:(RX) which is WAYYYY worse than chmod +x and you still need to give the file an executable extension to run it

windows files dont really work that way obviously but that's the best equivalent i could think of is just giving a user permissions to run something

[tender river]

powershell is in this weird space between bash and python

people seem to like it but i still get surprised every time i see it being used

[fast pagoda]

i used it a lot when i was on windows still

i scripted everything with ps1s

[obsidian mantle]

thank you for great help guys
without you i would probably spend whole month setting it up

[fast pagoda]

lmao those bot names

you'll get used to it, trust, i had the same mindset when i started using wsl2 because of development hell on windows

[opaque sigil]

I thought my pipewire broke because Spotify wouldn't play any sound despite me not updating anything sound related

It was playing on my phone

[fast pagoda]

it got piped over the wire

(less)

[opaque sigil]

This is what I get for removing the connect bar

[fierce ether]

my bot uses 2,766 tokens

are we cooked

[fast pagoda]

it's joever

that's why you get a whole month

[opaque sigil]

something still causes plasma to die immediately upon startup all of a sudden ugh

[glass flower]

i got a questions... what does this unsafe block do in the rust bindings... i can just remove it and it works the same

[rigid timber]

just use fewer tokens

[tacit plover]

I thought I was in NN, I'll be leaving

[fast pagoda]

kde moment

[tender river]

ye go optimize

[olive sable]

i did the thing

[real sierra]

you may be slightly over the limit

[tender river]

@trim valve

[opaque sigil]

truly is, it's been crashing occasionally for a while but i'm used to that from windows but not it crashes in a loop until it doesn't recover

[fierce ether]

really?

dang it

[rigid timber]

it matches if there are zero legal moves and... does something I don't understand bc I don't know enough about unsafe Rust

[real sierra]

I would be impressed if you can shrink that to 1024 tokens

I can barely squeeze 1500 into 1024

[fast pagoda]

writes to a null pointer

[glass flower]

i see.... but if there are 0 legal moves doesn't that just mean i lost?

[sage crag]

ye

good

now spend 200 hour

[trim valve]

so uh, shrio's code doesn't let me exit normally

[rigid timber]

why would it do that tho

[olive sable]

i have school tomorrow, cant. i dont even have steam installe dyet on linux

[trim valve]

like neither std::process::exit nor panic! exit the program

[sage crag]

shrike

[fierce ether]

right now im not using the api cause i had a half finished version bot from a friend

so

[trim valve]

the only way I could get it to stop was to segfault

:3

[sage crag]

wrong

[fast pagoda]

yeah every time i've had to redo my install for real (hasnt happened in a while) it was plasma shitting itself

[sage crag]

silk song

[glass flower]

[rigid timber]

oh

[fierce ether]

hoggle night

[tender river]

you can just call done without submitting

[real sierra]

probably the second thread

[trim valve]

but if you have zero available moves and its your turn then shiro fucked up

[trim valve]

that plays the same move again

[trim valve]

so may as well crash

[opaque sigil]

Maybe I should just use gnome instead but ugh

[real sierra]

still possible by making moves on the local board copy

[tender river]

fair enough

[olive sable]

but i have foundation for games, foundation for film, and aplied math and physics 1 tomorrow. i do kinda need to take those classes

[nocturne olive]

I Chessed so hard my system froze

[opaque sigil]

tbf using plasma from unstable certainly doesn't help either

[real sierra]

you can technically make illegal moves on the local copy of the board, you just can't submit them or you lose

[olive sable]

i may be irrseponsible with money but even i go to class

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what happened

[fast pagoda]

uses unstable branch
it's unstable

REEE

[glass flower]

alright... now that i have everything figured out.... time to actually make some logic and get a chess bot going

[opaque sigil]

i might just do unstable by default and grab kde from stable

[tender river]

do you mean nixos-unstable btw?

[fast pagoda]

ive not had issues with stable kde on this install other than normal kde jank

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[nocturne olive]

Well since I was forced to reboot anyway I'm gonna upgrade Mint, my Linux kernel and probably my Nvidia driver

[tender river]

honestly theres no jankless linux setups other than lts distros

[fast pagoda]

[tender river]

and lts distros are jank when you want to get newer versions of software

[nocturne olive]

I hope the freezes are just the Nvidia driver and updating to 570 or 580 on a newer kernel fixes it

[fast pagoda]

my actual reaction when my linux distro explodes after i poke it enough

[opaque sigil]

nixos lets you have a nice middle ground to a degree at least, i like

i say that as i took such a setup and replaced it with an unstable only one

[fast pagoda]

for nix i would wish it worked like one of those old system FREEZE setups

where no matter what happened it's ALWAYS fixed on reboot, even if you delete system32 somehow

[tender river]

idk mixing release streams doesnt go well for me because of mesa or something

[tender river]

it does work like that if you use impermanence

[olive sable]

figuring out how to make something work for both opengl and vulkan is a pain. cuz i dont want to have 2 completely separate games to make, but reusing code is near impossible

[fast pagoda]

but like if i fuck up my config it would be kill still yeah? i thoguht you COULD break it still

on those you literally do not have the ability to destroy it from inside the OS

[tender river]

well yeah you can break it if you install a broken config

[real sierra]

then you probably want to add some layers of abstraction

[fast pagoda]

yeah im talking like, i install a broken config, a bird poops on the computer, i put it thru the dish washer

reboot it and everything is fine

[real sierra]

come up with a primitive you can implement using either framework

and then only render via that primitive

[opaque sigil]

if the config is broken it's broken

not much to do other than roll back

my librewolf crashes the moment i open twitch now

lovely

[olive sable]

i can abstact all i want, but vulakn and opengl jsut work diffrently

[fast pagoda]

it was DeepFreeze

that's teh stuff i am talking about

[olive sable]

ill have to make a more universal way to handle stuff i guess

[fast pagoda]

https://www.faronics.com/products/deep-freeze/enterprise

anything written to your HD is sent to an allocation table

as soon as you restart

it's back to the original

no matter what

whatever you changed is gone

even the most broken config of all time

[opaque sigil]

Process 32159 (.librewolf-wrap) of user 1000 terminated abnormally with signal 11/SEGV, processing...

can you not

[real sierra]

oops

[opaque sigil]

Wayland protocol error: zwp_linux_buffer_params_v1#442: error 7: importing the supplied dmabufs failed
hmmm

this reeks of nvidia

[trim valve]

yeah but it should never be your turn if you've lost

[fast pagoda]

it sounds like nvidia driver yeah lmao

does it crash on like youtube

[real sierra]

that's true yes

[fast pagoda]

or just twitch

[opaque sigil]

youtube works

[fierce ether]

1917

[fast pagoda]

what about vimeo

trying to think of something with a drm like twitch to fuck w/

[opaque sigil]

i think dmabuf is just borked

[formal quartz]

sem is a pointer variable for struct Semaphore right?

[opaque sigil]

oh huh

disabled dmabuf and now youtube crashes it too

[sage crag]

direct memory access buffer

[obsidian mantle]

YOOOOOOO
I LOVE LINUX
I BUILT CPP BOT

[sage crag]

[obsidian mantle]

so you just make a bunch of .o files and them merge them

thats it

[fast pagoda]

IT'S SO OVER
WE ARE SO BACK

[amber fractal]

[obsidian mantle]

i need to write down these commands for future

[real sierra]

[opaque sigil]

surely using beta nvidia drivers will magically fix all my problems

[fast pagoda]

soon you will be like why am i doing all this in wsl when i can just run linux

just give it a while

[formal quartz]

nice now to find out what this is in pascal xD

[real sierra]

??

are you reimplementing the entire thing instead of making bindings..?

you should not need to touch the synchronization primitives in the .c file, it's sufficient to just make ffi functions that can call the functions in the .h file

that's the intended interaction with the API

[formal quartz]

i-i think? im trying to access the dll functions and you have to declare then in pascal with all the types (i think)?
tho maybe im misunderstanding something, guess i'll go read some more forums
(my test function btw)

[opaque sigil]

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=308421

[fast pagoda]

yesterday

[real sierra]

the API only ever returns or requests Board * values, never a Board itself

[fast pagoda]

yeah that might be something actually

[real sierra]

so you shouldn't need to define the Board struct

you need only find the equivalent to a pointer in your language

[opaque sigil]

thunderbird and librewolf 143 should both share the same base

[real sierra]

the Board struct changes frequently unlike the items in the header file, so it's not a good idea to rely on it having particular fields, that's part of the point of having API functions for many of the simple fields

[fast pagoda]

yeah thunderbird is basically firefox

[formal quartz]

sounds doable i think i'll try my luck with just using generic pointers and see where that gets me, thanks

[nocturne olive]

I now have Kernel 6.14 and Nvidia driver 580

[opaque sigil]

okay yeah nah the thunderbird segfault is different

oh well, i'll just go back to 142 and hope it's fixed soon

apparently my spotify got hit with a SIGILL 45 minutes ago

[real sierra]

SIGILL 🤒

[formal quartz]

(not a issue i just want to complain about myself)
i forget pascal has a dif word for functions without return i was getting so confused why i was getting a error
im so washed

what am i even doing at my job, take me away

[opaque sigil]

why are you trying to interface with the semaphore function

[real sierra]

once again I don't think you need semaphore_init

you should only be binding the functions in chessapi.h

the rest of the functions in chessapi.c are marked static and won't be exported anyway

[formal quartz]

oh i.. was missing that bit

[real sierra]

that should make this easier for you

lol

I would not expect someone to make that many bindings

[formal quartz]

think so too (hopefully)

guessing the same for bitboard.h only too?

[real sierra]

yeah

[clear sedge]

i hope it gets better

[real sierra]

bitboard.h is kinda optional whether you want to implement it or not

the functions there are less important but allowed

[clear sedge]

i'm gonna make dlang bindings

[real sierra]

dlang

[opaque sigil]

why is gdb 40MiB, how many scripts do they bundle

[real sierra]

msvc being 7GB:

[olive sable]

[clear sedge]

msvc being a piece of shit

i hope msvc dies in a car crash

[olive sable]

[clear sedge]

[fast pagoda]

LMAO

idk why but the idea of spotify getting 360 noscope kill -9'd is super funny

[opaque sigil]

ILL not KILL

[fast pagoda]

oh

[opaque sigil]

SIGKILL makes sense at least

[fast pagoda]

less funny

yeah illegal instructions do make more sense

because when i read sigkill i just imagined your borked kde just being like

get rekt SIGKILL

[opaque sigil]

kde hasn't complained at all yet after rolling back thankfully

[clear sedge]

someone needs to make an app that SIGKILLs all electron-based apps

[opaque sigil]

i'm inclined to just blame nvidia, seems like a wayland issue

[real sierra]

i wanna merge that change I have in the other branch

[opaque sigil]

but there was no update to the driver as far as i can tell, only a kernel update

[real sierra]

can someone confirm at least that it still works on linux

and potentially on windows

[fast pagoda]

i need one that just randomly sigkills something once in a while without warning

[real sierra]

the behaviour using threads.h should be unchanged, even if the pthread.h compat isn't functional

[fast pagoda]

if i ever write a computer virus that's all it'll do

[sick owl]

[clear sedge]

i can write that :3

[fast pagoda]

damn

[sick owl]

It just became unstable like this overnight, but it returns to stability when expo is disabled

Very odd

This is after years of operation

[fast pagoda]

update bios maybe

[opaque sigil]

dram has had enough

[sick owl]

Yeah that's what I'm trying

[fast pagoda]

when i had some instability suddenly a bios update made it go away

with ryzen

[amber fractal]

dram is checking out for a spot in heaven

[fast pagoda]

failed after what 28 seconds

lol

[sick owl]

10000 errors

Surely that won't be noticeable in practice ↓

[fast pagoda]

nah seems stable enough

[opaque sigil]

most helpful arch forum user

[real sierra]

reminds me when I had 2 million memory leaks last week

[nocturne olive]

Well I think I'm now about stuck with where I can get to with a bot that only looks at what it achieves by doing its own move
Next I guess I need to make it see what it enables the opponent to do as well to make sure it doesn't just blunder checkmate

[amber fractal]

The classic RTFM, never fails

[sick owl]

All of this comes the night after I upgraded to Win 11 24H2

Coincidence I'm sure

[amber fractal]

cursed windows version yep

[nocturne olive]

Also eventually I'll have to start evaluating more complex stuff probably like pieces being threatened if I can even figure out how to do that

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeah it's known to break stuff

[sick owl]

Yeah but fucking your ram sticks up seems a bit out of even its purview

Okay looks like bios update fixed it

[nocturne olive]

Well it breaks SSDs, RAM is not that far off

[sick owl]

No shot 24H2 corrupted my bios

No fucking shot

[nocturne olive]

Oh yeahh that is also something it does do

[sick owl]

There's just no way

[sick owl]

Wait really lmao

That's wild

[real sierra]

brick

[sick owl]

It did seem odd for my ram to become unstable overnight

[nocturne olive]

Windows 11 24H2 be like: corrupts your BIOS

[sick owl]

Bios update actually fixed it

If game pass wasn't a thing I'd switch to Linux full time dude goddamn

How has Windows become this ass

[clear sedge]

that's the secret cap, it was always ass

[nocturne olive]

Windows 11 moment

[sick owl]

Okay yeah but not corrupts your bios and GPU drivers levels of ass

[clear sedge]

..i've had my fair share of experience begging to differ

[fast pagoda]

swap and just dual boot for only game pass since it needs UWP

[stoic turtle]

how do I put the bot in cute chess

[sick owl]

Carries the same risks anyway if I'm gonna be booting into Windows from time to time

My laptops full time Linux because I only use it for light gaming and productivity

Also my systems Nvidia unlike my AMD laptop so Windows does confer some benefits, though give it a year and I imagine Linux will have parity with Nvidia too

[nocturne olive]

I think I may have some idea of how it might be possible to extend this to look as far into the future as I want
But first I want to be able to handle the opponent move evaluation side of things

[opaque sigil]

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=509192 i think i found the cause of my plasmashell crashes hmm

[real sierra]

tools>settings, engines tab, plus at the bottom

set the command to something that will start your bot, and the directory to where your bot code is

varies slightly depending on the language you're using so you may have to play with it a bit

[stoic turtle]

I put the example bot python file in there and it gave me an error

[nocturne olive]

I think the recommended way to do it is to use a script that calls the run command of your bot

For example in my case java -jar chess-bot.jar

[sick owl]

Damn, apparently 24h2 is known for fucking up asus mobos

Wish I'd known that before updating

[real sierra]

you will have to set command to something like "C:\path\to\python\python.exe C:\path\to\bot\mybot.py" on windows

on Linux and Mac it should be similar

[stoic turtle]

that makes sense

[real sierra]

[trim valve]

known for?

I have literally never heard of this

[real sierra]

make sure the directory is set to where the bot python file, and ideally the library file, are

[sick owl]

Windows 11 be like: bricks your system cutely

[glass flower]

even windows wants you to switch to linux. so nice of microsoft

[nocturne olive]

So far my bot only uses 399 tokens
I think some of the logic I have is bad, some of it not sure
And there'll have to be a lot of work to bring it into a state where it can actually do something good

[clear sedge]

microsoft is the best linux promoter

[formal quartz]

what do you mean good one

[clear sedge]

good one 👍

[glass flower]

Good One 👍

[nocturne olive]

So far best it does is beats any of its versions or itself as white every time and beat fully random moves 99% of the time no matter the color

[glass flower]

can someone give me a rundown how i would use the chess api to test out moves?

[nocturne olive]

it is a start I guess

[trim valve]

wdym by test out moves

[stoic turtle]

now put it against stockfish

[trim valve]

like play against the bot?

[nocturne olive]

I don't even know how
And no it won't do well at all

[glass flower]

no, more like make a move. analyze it figure its bad for the future. go back and then do it again for another move i'll be honest... i have no clue what im doing

i also have like 0 idea what the usecase for like 90% of the functions in the api are

[nocturne olive]

Oh, you just want to use chess_make_move(Board *board, Move move) and chess_undo_move(Board *board) or the equivalents on your language

[nocturne olive]

There's docs you know

[glass flower]

where

the code comments only describe what they do. but not what use they have

[nocturne olive]

In Shiro's repo in the wiki section?

[glass flower]

[nocturne olive]

You're the programmer, you figure out what to use it for when you know what it does

I should sleep, too much Chess for today

[glass flower]

i guess i'll have to rewatch sebastian's chess videos again...

[cosmic sphinx]

wtf is that documentation

[nocturne olive]

What even is that function?

It's not part of any of the other APIs is it?

[glass flower]

it is in bitboard.h

[trim valve]

I forgot to copy from shiro

[cosmic sphinx]

'i wrote this but idk what it acc does' or 'im too lazy to explain allat' typa doc

[glass flower]

nah it was the rust docs for the bindings. just thought it was a funny comment

[nocturne olive]

@real sierra Are these functions legal? Not all APIs have them

They're also not documented in the C API

[glass flower]

seems more like the other api's are missing them

rather than it being illegal in the rust one

[nocturne olive]

If they're not part of the C API, which is the official one

Then they're likely illegal

[glass flower]

they are part of the C API

[nocturne olive]

The C API defined in the docs

[opaque sigil]

they're not static so should be fair game

[glass flower]

bitboard.h and chessapi.h are the 2 files allowed to be included... therefore its legal

[trim valve]

shiro mentioned them being allowed

[nocturne olive]

I'm pretty sure we're only allowed to use chessapi.h

[glass flower]

bitboard.h is also allowed

[trim valve]

#programming message

[glass flower]

it even has comments for usage

[nocturne olive]

The C API docs are missing all the BitBoard functions though

[glass flower]

seems more like a github wiki issue rather than api issue. the actual api definition and comments are in the code

// Aside from allowed standard libs, you only may include this and "bitboard.h" for your bot.

^ first 2 lines in chessapi.h

[nocturne olive]

Hmm

Weirdness

Well not like I have the functions

[stoic turtle]

what do I do if cute chess is just telling me it can't execute command to start the engine

[nocturne olive]

My Kotlin bindings don't implement them

[nocturne olive]

Something, probably give more information at least

[glass flower]

make a request to bind them then. should be simple enough

[nocturne olive]

I made the KT bindings

[glass flower]

then bind them

[nocturne olive]

Eh, I'll see if I need them

[formal quartz]

um am i seeing this correctly that while chess_get_legal_moves gives me a pointer; chess_make_move wants the struct and not a pointer to it?
-# ( pls be the right stuff this time or im going to bed)

[olive sable]

i jsut wanted to restart my pc

[opaque sigil]

you get an array of moves hence the pointer

actually

good point

why does it need to make a copy of the move

a move is 24 bytes so i guess it doesn't really matter

[fast pagoda]

hyprland moment

[olive sable]

i jsut deleted 2 lines of the config and ill pretend those werent important

probabyl some touchscreen shit

[opaque sigil]

sounds like it

[real sierra]

legal but optional

[nocturne olive]

Interesting

[real sierra]

I don't think they're super useful in the grand scheme of things

[nocturne olive]

Well, gues we'll see
I'll wrap them if I find a use for them

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

it's a small struct so I thought making that one directly accessible without dereference would be useful

it's also one I don't plan to change often, and is specified in the header, so it's possible to do so

[real sierra]

as toast said, the pointer is actually an array
the latter function does expect the struct itself, not a pointer to it

do note that the caller is responsible for freeing the array (see chess_free_moves_array)

[formal quartz]

yeah was just at that free method xD

im not convinced this will work in any way whatsoever, but i will find out

[real sierra]

get_legal_moves and maybe get_board are the hardest functions to interface

the rest are pretty straightforward, many have similar signatures so you can copy paste much of it

[olive sable]

that is not the turtle model i was expecting

[real sierra]

looks like chessboard...

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

its 4 green-ish pixels

not chess

[real sierra]

[formal quartz]

wait but what i don't understand if i get a pointer to the struct (thats at the top of the file) here, how can this be a array? or is that just a c thing?

[opaque sigil]

it's a pointer to the start of the array (just a big chunk of memory where all moves lie next to each other)

that's why it also takes the len parameter as a pointer, so it writes the actual length into that for you so you know how long that array is in memory

[formal quartz]

o-oh i see, i get the feeling this is a tomorrow problem, thanks so much

[sage crag]

im gonna explode

i implemented a general purpose version of the speedy vm thing

and it 50% of the speed

[olive sable]

im not sure what i broke but i have spinning tutel EDM now

[sage crag]

im gonna destroy all computers

[olive sable]

fair

[glass flower]

i just realized something... how do i know if its my bots turn? or does get_legal_moves only return moves for my bot?

[opaque sigil]

iirc there was a function to check whose turn it is

[glass flower]

well yeah i can check if its white or black's turn... but how do i know what color my bot is?

[olive sable]

actually valid question

[glass flower]

hmm.. but get_legal_moves does only return actually legal moves for my turn... so there has to be a way to check if its my turn and it does it under the hood

[olive sable]

@real sierra how do you know what colour you are?

[rigid snow]

lol

you check whose turn it is after it is your turn

[real sierra]

you call get_board and see whose turn it is

[glass flower]

[olive sable]

wait i might be stupid

[real sierra]

get_board returns the board that your bot is actually playing in the chess game

so if you call that and it's whites turn you are white

otherwise you are black

[glass flower]

makes sense.... i guess

[olive sable]

your code only executes when its your turn, so "i can check if its white or black's turn" you check when its your turn

[real sierra]

your bot does not run during the opponent's turn

[olive sable]

ok thanks shiro

[real sierra]

chess_done will block until the opponent has made their move

np

[glass flower]

[amber fractal]

Why does it line up so well to the music

[olive sable]

i have no clue

it seems semi-random

this was a test for updating matrices in a different thread than the one that opengl is running in, uniforms stillg et updated there tho

[fierce ether]

so does the api not work on windows? i remember seeing that here but i could have misunderstood

[opaque sigil]

lots of things changed so who knows, give it a try

[amber fractal]

Otherwise this

[glass flower]

it does now. im using it on windows

[olive sable]

@gritty dust i summon the cheese

[fierce ether]

so i need to update the api i am using?

[glass flower]

[fierce ether]

kk

[amber fractal]

For the others who need to search in:programming from:shiro_nya windows Just in case.

[glass flower]

i made a improvement i think... now it wins sometimes against a totally random bot

it still sometimes makes illegal moves...

in 500 games i had 1 illegal move e8c8

or e8g8

[formal quartz]

oh @real sierra (soz for the ping think you wanted feedback)
i still get the error with the pthread branch, tho apparently because it goes in the wrong if?

(top is main branch bot is pthread branch)

[real sierra]

fascinating

[real sierra]

can you try adding -std=c23 before -o in your build command

[formal quartz]

like this?

[real sierra]

yeah like that ok

I'm thoroughly confused

[formal quartz]

oh guess i'll continue to use the tinycthread thingy for testing tomorrow or install a linux vm

[opaque sigil]

i wonder if mingw's gcc toolchain just doesn't ship threads.h

[real sierra]

even if it doesn't

the constant should be set in that case