programming

[real sierra]

soon

[lament igloo]

yo guys i just found a good 2tb drive but the inside of it is this, what is this?

[real sierra]

you have to wait 73 years to find out

[sage crag]

looks like storage volumes from a console

assumedly since its an NTFS drive its probably an xbox

[lament igloo]

does it have files

[sage crag]

could do

im not entirely sure if its a console drive or not

[lament igloo]

do i have to download smth to get smth out of it?

[sage crag]

not sure

[sage crag]

do you have "show file name extensions" turned on

in windows

[lament igloo]

yea

[sage crag]

do you have notepad++

or some other hex editor?P

[lament igloo]

yea, it says this

[rigid timber]

pretty sure Notepad++ isn't a hex editor...

[lament igloo]

i scroll down, theres data

[sage crag]

do all of the files start with SFMR?

that seems like a file type header to me

though not one i know of

[olive sable]

im alive

i survived the first day of college

[lament igloo]

there's BSFL

[sage crag]

hm

can you look at some more

[torpid kelp]

W

[lament igloo]

regarding first bytes
0003 is IIR
0004 is GOL
0005 is FRON
0006 is FRON
0007 has no first bytes, still has data
0008 is this

[sage crag]

this looks like its probably some kind of backup of a whole drive

or some kind of split disk image

[lament igloo]

slop software didnt fuckin help

[sage crag]

unfortunately i have no clue what format these are

looks like its generated by software

[warped narwhal]

Not with that attitude

[opaque sigil]

what kind of weird software dumps so many files as backups though

[rigid timber]

wanna share the files promote?

[lament igloo]

bro theres so much data wth

[real sierra]

modified at the same time

256MB per file

[rigid timber]

some sort of split archive methinks

[lament igloo]

256mb per file, selecting just 20 would mean uploading 5gb already

[real sierra]

if the files don't seem to have a header, how about a footer

[rigid timber]

I fail to see the issue with uploading 5 GB

[opaque sigil]

do they fill the entire drive?

[lament igloo]

it all goes to 7000+

[real sierra]

is there a directory at the end

[lament igloo]

yes, 39mb free space left

[rigid timber]

oh

[lament igloo]

there is no directory at the end

[opaque sigil]

wonder if it's some weird proprietary software to overwrite the drive

[real sierra]

crazy filesystem partitioning?

[rigid timber]

it's on top of normal NTFS tho

[real sierra]

[lament igloo]

FAT32

[rigid timber]

why would anyone do 256MB chunks on top of normal NTFS, that sounds silly

wait wat

FAT32 on a 2TB drive? now that's even sillier

[opaque sigil]

fat32

[lament igloo]

its not possible isnt it...

[maiden geyser]

maybe it's mostly zeroed out and can be archived?

[opaque sigil]

isn't 2tb the max for fat32

[rigid timber]

it is

[maiden geyser]

unintentional zip bomb xd

[rigid timber]

some software just really doesn't like loading stuff from such large FAT32 partitions

[lament igloo]

would do that if it wasnt like 2TB

[opaque sigil]

if it's anything like the one file you sent it won't compress at all

that's just random garbage

[clear sedge]

hey guys~

i have a white monster

it's time to program

[lament igloo]

bruh this is weird as fuck
i can open 0001 but not 0002 and beyond

[real sierra]

I'm sorry

the size on that file is what now

[clear sedge]

System Volume Information my beloved

[opaque sigil]

oh

[clear sedge]

excuse you, date modified 2098??

[sage crag]

split archive

[real sierra]

have you tried concatenating all the files

and then opening

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

so it's a single 2tb file split across the entire drive

[sage crag]

ye

its probably a split archive

[clear sedge]

i don't know what this means

[lament igloo]

this is the weirdest fucking drive that i have ever encountered

[clear sedge]

is that normal or is it abnormal

[lament igloo]

why would some software split a 2tb file into 7000+ 256mb split files

[real sierra]

promote how do you always stumble upon weird technologies

[clear sedge]

i haven't used windows in literally half a decade

someone explain

[lament igloo]

wont risk 🙏

[opaque sigil]

boredom and wanting to wipe the drive in a quirky way before selling it ig

[clear sedge]

oh my god white monster my beloved

i'm so used to gagging after i drink my substances

but no

this tastes manageable

it's so over with vodka

[opaque sigil]

they're really yummy

[lament igloo]

this drive was given to my father for seemingly free

[clear sedge]

white monster is in

[lament igloo]

idk dude

[clear sedge]

i once found a lwjgl game which used its own custom format instead of a zip file to do basically what a zip file does but without any compression

[opaque sigil]

it could also just be an encrypted drive i guess

who knows

[clear sedge]

i then wrote a parser for that file format

and extracter

and unextracter

[rigid timber]

so... tar but worse?

[clear sedge]

[clear sedge]

tar but worse

yes

[lament igloo]

should i just wipe the drive bruh

[opaque sigil]

yes

[clear sedge]

no

NO

DECRYPT IT

[lament igloo]

[real sierra]

promote

[clear sedge]

DECRYPT

[lament igloo]

brotha ITS 2TB

[real sierra]

are you joining the chess contest

[clear sedge]

COME ON

[lament igloo]

I HAVE LIMITS

[opaque sigil]

[rigid timber]

oh yeah, chess contest... what integrations do you have?

[clear sedge]

FIND A WAY TO SEND IT TO ME THEN IDK

I WANT TO KNOW

[sage crag]

`

[clear sedge]

WHAT IS IN THOSE 2 TB

[real sierra]

C (and probably C++), Python, Rust already exist

[rigid timber]

oh cool

[real sierra]

soon to be complete are Java (Kotlin), Haskell

[clear sedge]

groovy when

[opaque sigil]

who needs bindings when you can just use the c file directly

[clear sedge]

groovy integration when

[lament igloo]

if u want me to code chess, im out cus idk how to code algorithms

[real sierra]

it's a great way to learn

just try doing it the obvious way

[opaque sigil]

a lot of the annoying work is also already done for you

[clear sedge]

learn by doing

[real sierra]

it was indeed annoying work

[clear sedge]

i say do the annoying work afterwards too so you understand everything

[hollow spruce]

Crash again'

[clear sedge]

but then again

i'm insane enough to write my own json parser because i can't be arsed managing too many dependencies

so do as you wish

[opaque sigil]

does it actually work now shiro or are there still edge cases where legal moves are ignored

[lament igloo]

funny i was supposed to clip the evil stream today but i ended up exploring hard drives

[hollow spruce]

God dang it sticks key

[lament igloo]

man idk whats in the drive but i do really wanna use the 2tb drive

[clear sedge]

b-but

data

the data

[hollow spruce]

What data

[clear sedge]

the 2tb of data

i don't know what data exactly

but i need to know

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

what if it's government files

[hollow spruce]

Server time make one server to save it

[sage crag]

its just old garbage

[lament igloo]

i mean... be my guest ig

[sage crag]

wipe it if you want to use it

[hollow spruce]

Really garbage remove it

[clear sedge]

oh my that is a lot of redundancy

SFMR, hm

[opaque sigil]

if you feel like searching for an archive software with those magic bytes have fun

[lament igloo]

? if u think its all zeros

[real sierra]

gonna ask my prof today about ways to improve my search algorithm

[opaque sigil]

cause i couldn't find one

[real sierra]

maybe they'll have wisdom

[clear sedge]

just grep it

grep everything

grep is the way of life

[real sierra]

I don't know what I'm grepping for

[clear sedge]

then grep the knowledge

query the universe itself

cat /dev/universe | grep -nr "Knowledge:"

duh

[real sierra]

I don't think grep guarantees hold over non-finite sets

[clear sedge]

how do you know the universe is infinite

are you an eldritch being

[real sierra]

I'm not grepping for something physical

[clear sedge]

is this why it's your birthday 24/7

[real sierra]

you made that assumption yourself

don't just convince yourself of random lies and then blame me hello

meds

[lament igloo]

if none of yall figure out, i guess im wiping everything

[sage crag]

its non-finite because it continuously grows at a rate faster than information can travel

[lament igloo]

NTFS or FAT32

[clear sedge]

oh shit meds

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

ntfs

[clear sedge]

fat32 for.. 2tb?

[lament igloo]

alr

[sage crag]

fat32 is not for general purpose drives

[clear sedge]

i say exfat

or ntfs

[real sierra]

fat64

[clear sedge]

ntfs if you're solely planning to use it with windows

[lament igloo]

idk how it got there

[sage crag]

exfat is useless

[sage crag]

ntfs can be used on linux too

[real sierra]

why even have file systems

[clear sedge]

ntfs is proprietary though.. i wouldn't push it

[real sierra]

map whole drive to one file

write to offsets in file

[clear sedge]

omg

[nocturne olive]

On Windows you always want to use NTFS for anything that isn't just a small portable drive

[clear sedge]

you genius

[opaque sigil]

https://docs.kernel.org/filesystems/ntfs3.html

[sage crag]

it just disinformation

[sage crag]

yes you just reinvented fat32

[real sierra]

"files" just pointers into big file

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

where Nobel prize

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

right behind you

[lament igloo]

is it just me or is the font a bit weird

[real sierra]

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/behind-you-spy-team-fortress2-gif-11451597

[clear sedge]

it looks so photoshopped

what'd you do to your windows

[lament igloo]

i dont fuckin know

[real sierra]

it looks polite

[lament igloo]

this too

[clear sedge]

why is it so powerpointy

[sage crag]

i dont think it looks weird i think its just using grey hinting instead of subpixel rgb

[clear sedge]

it looks so weird

it looks out of place

[sage crag]

ntfs in kernel, zfs not in kernel

[clear sedge]

it's like seeing that one garfield couch

[lament igloo]

heres muh autoclicker side to side

[clear sedge]

oh god

[sage crag]

please look closer

[clear sedge]

oh goodness gracious

they don't mesh

unless i'm being fooled

[sage crag]

its the grey hinting vs subpixel rgb hinting

[clear sedge]

no yeah they don't mesh

subpixel rgb >>>>>

[opaque sigil]

damn licenses, can't have shit

[sage crag]

its simply a preference

[clear sedge]

mine is superior

[sage crag]

personally

[real sierra]

autoclicker once upon a time a CTF had a scripting challenge where you had to open a file zipped 500 times and you were meant to do so with a script but I just put my cursor over the item in file explorer and used an autoclicker

[sage crag]

your preference can go in the random person preference jar with all the other preferences

[clear sedge]

i love jars

[rigid timber]

jars are just fancy zips

[clear sedge]

jars are just zips

yes

that's why i love jars

pre-existing standard being put to new use

easy to decompress

[lament igloo]

obfuscated jars 🤢

yay Neury drive

[clear sedge]

obfuscated jars can go eat raw pickled eggs

[tender river]

accessibility:

[sage crag]

as if OS accessibility features arent already awful

[real sierra]

you could make a "fuck you drive" and the label could be D:

[clear sedge]

see if you were on a posix compliant operating system you could have the path to the drive be /mnt/Neury like the kewl kidz

[real sierra]

[hasty snow]

Why not in /media instead? if it's a more permanent drive

[clear sedge]

/media/Neury i guess

idk pick your favorite

[real sierra]

wrrr I mount my drive wherever I want

nobody else is using my system

I will optimize it for myself

[clear sedge]

just do /Neury

[maiden geyser]

not like there's a choice?

[sage crag]

there are plenty of choices

[opaque sigil]

there technically is

[clear sedge]

the next best alternative is exfat i'm pretty sure

[sage crag]

windows lets you install arbitrary filesystem drivers

[tender river]

oh my god i remember daniel complaining about these but they're not even trying purest slop

[sage crag]

btrfs and ext4 both work on windows in this way

[clear sedge]

btrfs ftw

[sage crag]

no, the next best is refs

[lament igloo]

W drive ?????

[clear sedge]

wtf

speed

[lament igloo]

im using a hard drive docking station

[real sierra]

33MB/s

more of an L drive than a W drive

[opaque sigil]

[lament igloo]

and the docking station is connected via USB3

[clear sedge]

not terribly fast but it's still better than my internet

[lament igloo]

at least it works

[patent walrus]

https://x.com/princessakano/status/1969884163122855960

akano (@princessakano)

incredible things are happening

X · Sep 21, 2025, 9:59 PM

[clear sedge]

WHAT

[real sierra]

is that the standard for drives nowadays

[clear sedge]

NO

NO

NO SHOT

[tender river]

but its relatively good on the web which hosts most of the modern workflows anyway

[maiden geyser]

people have rights, and people have a right to not use their rights

[sage crag]

[lament igloo]

i mean... im broke to buy new drives so the drives my father gave me is a blessing

[sage crag]

have you ever tried using a screenreader on a non-plaintext site

[real sierra]

"AI is the future" kids watching an LLM erase their cherished memories

[lament igloo]

80GB drive -> turned to
2TB drive -> turned to

[clear sedge]

"AI is the future" ❌
"AI will make you unable to recollect the past by destroying everything you hold of it" ✅

[tender river]

average web is better than average native is my only point

[clear sedge]

the ai uprising is soon

they're trying to get us to destroy our $HOMEs

[real sierra]

I respect and relate to being broke but have you ever considered just having fewer files

[tender river]

you can draw everything with webgl on the web if you want

[nocturne olive]

Well technically you can use other filesystems but they're not very good

[tender river]

accessibility gone

[maiden geyser]

decent, 100MB/s is more epic

[tender river]

there are extensions and userscripts that can help on the web

[clear sedge]

b-but.. i like ext4

[sage crag]

no one mention webgl

[patent walrus]

accessibility? hah! i can access the site, passes all tests ✅

[sage crag]

me own renderer

[nocturne olive]

EXT4 is for Linux, not Windows

[clear sedge]

i think we should find a way to install windows on ext4 formatted drives personally

[rigid timber]

technically accessible, the best kind of accessible

[tender river]

doesnt matter

[sage crag]

does matter

[tender river]

[real sierra]

vani

are you joining the chess contest

[sage crag]

ye argue about implementation detail of renderer that doesnt even exist

[clear sedge]

dom ❌
imgui in the browser ✅

[rigid timber]

cursed

[real sierra]

the last staff member I asked wanted to upload a virus

[patent walrus]

i would but im on a specific kind of grind i can't speak of

[real sierra]

but

it's open for a whole month

[sage crag]

!tldr

[clear sedge]

tch, no one asks me to join

i see how it is

[real sierra]

I assumed you were already

was I wrong

[clear sedge]

[sage crag]

you have been here

[real sierra]

wtf nobody is participating

[sage crag]

ploll

[opaque sigil]

y'all are participating?

[clear sedge]

i've been too caught up in writing my own game engine from scratch

[patent walrus]

can i ask gemini to participate on my behalf
it might try to kill itself but... it'd be something

[clear sedge]

how do i participate

[lament igloo]

1. im a clipper
2. i archive stuff and neuro

[clear sedge]

ask it to participate in c++

[real sierra]

it hasn't started yet waiting on Haskell bindings to be done

[clear sedge]

it will then continue to ask you for age verification

because as we all know

c++ is 18+

[tender river]

i just hate custom formats, html is on the verge of what can be used to extract data from

[patent walrus]

HASKELL??? contest put on hold for 5 years

[clear sedge]

that's what the pluses stand for

[sage crag]

NIH

[rigid timber]

where cobol bindings

we need this to be enterprise-ready

[real sierra]

surely not

[dry charm]

time to write SQL bindings

[clear sedge]

who here is up to writing 6502 assembly bindings

[real sierra]

you may write them if you want

[patent walrus]

someone write C# bindings but SPECIFICALLY to only work in among us with bepinex

[real sierra]

@pulsar edge

[rigid timber]

select * from moves order by evaluation limit 1... wait why is it taking so long

[tender river]

vani if you want it to be less than 5 years you're welcome to fix this

[clear sedge]

segmentation fault my beloved

[patent walrus]

Thinking longer for a better answer

[tender river]

nih doesnt mean ignore good parts of existing standards

[pulsar edge]

o7

[sage crag]

ye it does

ignore all standard

[lament igloo]

multi-function HDD Docking is dope

I get 3 hard drives, 2 usb slots, MS, M2, TF, XD, CF, and SD card

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

ignores all standards

[rigid timber]

xkcd 927

[real sierra]

write software that matches your purpose

[clear sedge]

windows:

[sage crag]

not conflicting standard, it exist in a different bubble entirely

[tender river]

ignore standards, dont ignore technology

[sage crag]

html not technology html is text

[rigid timber]

pretty sure there's an xkcd for that too

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

html technology

[patent walrus]

heres a fix, on the house

[clear sedge]

[tender river]

you know what i mean just because html exists doesnt mean you have to do something different

[opaque sigil]

it's never happening (no results)

[rigid timber]

Shiro what's the token limit for the chess bot?

[lament igloo]

haskell seems like a pain to use

[sage crag]

ye, just because html exist doesnt mean i have to use it also

[real sierra]

this part isn't unique to haskell

[tender river]

ye dont use html

[clear sedge]

chess bot in pure html and css

[sage crag]

ye anyway me write own thing

[real sierra]

this is just setting the library path to where the library is

[clear sedge]

we need html bindings

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1406337271241904158/ezgif-3f552200e37817.avif

[sage crag]

that's just js bindings

[rigid timber]

[clear sedge]

no

not js

html

no js

only html

[rigid timber]

Shiroooooooo

[lament igloo]

4 quick fixes to a haskell problem

[real sierra]

1024

[rigid timber]

what about stuff like strings?

banned, or some special counting?

[sage crag]

your entry will be pre-screened

string not banned, but using them to store arbitrary data is

[real sierra]

screening entries for dubious use of strings

^

[rigid timber]

[clear sedge]

aw man

[real sierra]

should not try to use string for non string things

[clear sedge]

so i can't implement a vm

:(

[sage crag]

clueless

[real sierra]

you can implement a vm

just not using strings

[rigid timber]

so it'll have to be a 128u array or sth...

[clear sedge]

b-b-but

[sage crag]

noe max limit for literals is 64 bits

[rigid timber]

whuh

[real sierra]

^

[rigid timber]

but muh 128bit numbers

[clear sedge]

muh strings

[sage crag]

data storage rules, arbitrary width ints are just strings

[patent walrus]

i need a peculiar type of binding to do everything in iframes and query strings, thank you very much

[rigid timber]

128 bits isn't arbitrary width

but I get what the aim of the rule is

[sage crag]

"they can use 128 bit ints i want 128 bit ints"

[rigid timber]

skill issue of the language tbh

[clear sedge]

8 bits is an arbitrary width

[real sierra]

python can use 4gb ints why can't I use that

[sage crag]

64 bit integer supported by every modern language

[rigid timber]

sorry, no 8 bit numbers

[sage crag]

limit to 64 bit integer or explode

[clear sedge]

i can't have any numbers???

[rigid timber]

nope, you'll have to work entirely with booleans

[real sierra]

you can have numbers

[opaque sigil]

what if i need a u65 though

[clear sedge]

but

[real sierra]

struct

[lament igloo]

most of these drives are actually usable
its mostly empty windows drives tho

[clear sedge]

booleans are usually defined as uint8_t or similar

[patent walrus]

can i get uhhhh u6? what if i wanna do shit on a microcontroller

[sage crag]

boolean defined with bool and implementation defined

[opaque sigil]

iirc on llvm bool becomes an i1, idk what gcc does

[rigid timber]

actually is there a full list of rules written somewhere?

or not yet because not started?

[real sierra]

memory alignment means things usually not actually smaller than 8 bytes unless compiler can do clever masking between many small things I think

[sage crag]

something similar likely

[clear sedge]

in c++ yes, in c bool is just usually an alias to uint8_t

[lament igloo]

chess contest
limits on what you can use
i'd fucking lose so easily bruh 😭

id make shitcode everywhere and suffer then send shitcode here

[real sierra]

it's ok everyone is equally limited and has no idea what they're doing

that's what makes it fun

[rigid timber]

that's kinda the point tbh, which is why I'm asking about what's allowed and what's not

[sage crag]

clueless

[clear sedge]

it's hell for everyone!

[real sierra]

my shit bot can't beat lichess lv1 and it's at the token limit

[rigid timber]

can it beat random moves?

[clear sedge]

can it beat pawn to king first move?

[real sierra]

yes it beats random moves

basically every time

[clear sedge]

fuck

[maiden geyser]

how is one supposed to write not-shitty code while code golfing?

[opaque sigil]

wrong btw, it's _Bool which is implementation-defined

[rigid timber]

bc let's be honest, Stockfish lv 1 is still Stockfish...

[real sierra]

lichess lv1 is not stockfish

[clear sedge]

i've worked in environments where it's not _Bool ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sage crag]

in pre c23, bool is _Bool, but after c23 bool is existing and stdbool is deprecated

[real sierra]

stockfish min strength is about 1300 elo

lichess min strength is like 200

[rigid timber]

lichess?

don't you mean chess.com?

[lament igloo]

fyr :: a
fyr = undefined
cxd :: (a -> b) -> a -> b
cxd f = (const fyr . f)

[rigid timber]

pretty sure lichess only has stockfish

[real sierra]

no I mean lichess

[rigid timber]

wat

[real sierra]

I think

[sage crag]

well, you were still wrong with your use of "usually"

[real sierra]

whatever their lv1 engine is

no way it's fish

[sage crag]

it is stockfish

fairy stockfish

[opaque sigil]

then they made their own booleans, which there's nothing wrong with since the size ends up with 8 bits either way usually

[real sierra]

has to be custom then

stockfish doesn't let you configure it below 1320 ELO

[sage crag]

yes its fairy stockfish

[real sierra]

and stockfish lv0 plays way harder than lichess lv1

[clear sedge]

at the end of the day the point is bools are just aliases to 8 bit integers on modern architectures

[real sierra]

but not fairy chess

[sage crag]

nopers, modern compilers dont act that way

[rigid timber]

it is stockfish

[clear sedge]

what? really?

[sage crag]

you invoke UB if you write to the top bits of a boolean

[clear sedge]

ub?

[real sierra]

whatever lichess lv1 is, it's harder than stockfish lv0

[clear sedge]

undefined behavior

yes

yes yes

[real sierra]

they have to have a special fork of stockfish

[sage crag]

nothing will likely happen but the behaviour is undefined, and the compiler is free to do whatever it wants to that code

including remove it

[sage crag]

yes its fairy stockfish

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

This is making me curious whatever I'll be able to cook up with KT

[real sierra]

ik I wasn't replying to u

lol

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/jeong43va-gif-26093523

shimo

[opaque sigil]

interesting, without optimisations clang allocates an i8, store the boolean in there and then truncates that to an i1

[clear sedge]

i mean yeah but counter argument

volatile bool b = true;
* (volatile char *) &b = 5;
char c = * (volatile char *) &b;
printf("%d\n", (int) c);```

[nocturne olive]

I'm pretty sure it'll suck

[rigid snow]

that’s the point mhm

[sage crag]

yes you casted it to a char pointer

[rigid timber]

lichess lv1 is stockfish with 50ms search time, skill level of -9, and depth of 5

[sage crag]

once you cast you modify the behaviour of the program

[rigid timber]

in fact you can see the stockfish configs they use for the various levels here https://github.com/lichess-org/fishnet/blob/master/src/api.rs#L237

[clear sedge]

the point is literally just that it's more than 1 bit on modern architectures without bitset optimisations

[sage crag]

int main() {
    volatile bool b = false;
    b = (bool)5;
    __builtin_printf("%d\n", b);
}

counter counter point

[sage crag]

yes, but its implementation defined

and using them as an 8 bit integer is undefined behaviour

[clear sedge]

but it works

[sage crag]

it doesnt, look harder

[opaque sigil]

it works until you get a different compiler and it doesn't

[rigid snow]

if you don’t rely on ub it’s not real software you’re writing

[sage crag]

you cast it to thing that it isnt, and then rely on the behaviour of the thing you casted it to

[clear sedge]

i'm not arguing that it should be done

[real sierra]

no wonder lichess lv1 is easier than stockfish at skill 0

it's stockfish at skill -9

[clear sedge]

i'm literally saying it's usually 8 bits without bitset optimisations

[sage crag]

noe you said its an alias to an 8 bit integer

its not

[rigid timber]

still stockfish tho, so no surprises there

[clear sedge]

the compiler treats it differently, i don't care, it's 8 bits under the hood

[sage crag]

bool typically uses backing 8 bit integer with modern c compilers for alignment reason: ✅
bool is alias to 8 bit integer: ❌

this is typical aliasing semantics

[clear sedge]

[rigid timber]

c'mon what's a little undefined behavior between friends

[tender river]

konii right case closed

[sage crag]

depends on the compiler the friends use

[clear sedge]

i've worked in environments where bool is defined as uint8_t, sue me for assuming it's common practice i guess

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[olive sable]

if undefined behavior is within my design, then is it still undefined?

[sage crag]

undefined behaviour is defined by the compiler

not you

technically by the language standard but different compilers have different behaviour

[olive sable]

hmmm

[rigid snow]

typedef unsigned long long bool; fact checked by true compiler specialists ✅

[real sierra]

declared by language standard

[lament igloo]

next drive
marked as defective
testing
company drive
woahhh lmfao

[real sierra]

defined by compiler

[sage crag]

i will accept this wording

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

#define undefined behaviour

[tender river]

implementation defined behavior is defined by compiler, undefined behavior is undefined by the compiler since it just doesnt make any guarantees whether it will work on the next program run, next compiler invocation, after compiler updates, with changed compiler flags, etc

[clear sedge]

i like declaring my variables without defining them

[sage crag]

UB should be treated as a black box

[clear sedge]

[real sierra]

what if all of my functions are precomputed table lookups and any index errors return rand()

then it's not undefined but the value is still not something you can rely on

[sage crag]

its not UB if you define it as a global

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

its also not UB if you assign the variable after its declaration

before modifying it

[olive sable]

im learning C# as a college course now, and my main thought is this is just discount C++

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

wtf

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

C# is ripoff java

[rigid timber]

C# is just C++++ that someone squished a bit

[real sierra]

but still better than c++

[sage crag]

C# is ripoff java, C++ is C with a standard library and classes

[real sierra]

C++ is C with shitty stapled on syntax

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

bad readability bad paradigms

bad bad bad

[clear sedge]

i love my shitty stapled on syntax

[olive sable]

i dont have a frame of reference for java, so my main context window is C++, and i gotta say i prefer C++ over C#

[sage crag]

c++ is c with better ergonomics for high level development

[real sierra]

C was not made to be compatible with those features and so of course adding them to a C base ended poorly

they should have accepted it as a failure and made a new language

and many did but many have not moved on for some reason

[sage crag]

ye they did its called c++

[real sierra]

no

banned

bye konii

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

making hblang++

[sage crag]

ye not needed hblang type system is turing complete

[real sierra]

too late

adding features

[rigid timber]

that's not that special tbh

[real sierra]

now it has a stdlib and better ergonomics

[sage crag]

im aware

i did not call it such

[rigid timber]

fair

and it's still fun to see

[olive sable]

from what i can tell the types and variables and stuff are about the same, C# just has different syntax magic symbols for some stuff

[sage crag]

from what i can tell, lang A is about the same as lang B, with different syntax magic symbols for some stuff

[nocturne olive]

C# is Microsoft Java

[olive sable]

you get what im trying to say no?
you define a varibale in C++ the exact same way as in C#

[clear sedge]

do you?

[rigid timber]

Rust is basically TypeScript

[clear sedge]

where is my std::unique_ptrs and std::shared_ptrs

[olive sable]

int i = 1 ;

[sage crag]

typical high languages have the same semantics

[olive sable]

nobody cares about those

[sage crag]

only so many ways you can use computer

[clear sedge]

everyone cares about those

it's the driving force behind c++

[real sierra]

Sam secretly learning java

he just doesn't know it yet

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

unique_ptr and shared_ptr

[clear sedge]

it's microsoft java

:(

[sage crag]

Zero := @TypeOf(.())
Suc := fn($N: type): type return @TypeOf(.(@as(Zero, idk), @as(N, idk)))

Add := fn($A: type, $B: type): type {
  $if A == Zero return B
  return Suc(Add(@TypeOf(@as(A, idk)[1]), B))
}

peano arithmetic in typesystem

[real sierra]

[clear sedge]

Suc()

[real sierra]

as a mathematician I approve

[clear sedge]

i love Suc()

[rigid timber]

[sage crag]

i can make a better one these days this is outdated

[olive sable]

im just being a contrarion cuz i find it funny how yall react to my takes, i do actually use those

[real sierra]

I had to prove something using mathematical induction with peano axioms once for a first order logic class

[clear sedge]

i bet you secretly use raw pointers in c++

[olive sable]

what makes a pointer raw?

[clear sedge]

T *t;

this is a raw pointer

[olive sable]

i odnt really use those no

[real sierra]

good times

[clear sedge]

shiro happy birthday

[real sierra]

you're being gc'd

[rigid timber]

oh yeah I gotta grab that "hbd shiro" Mini gif, brb

[sage crag]

$Suc := fn($N: type): type return struct { .prev: type = N }

$Add := fn($A: type, $B: type): type {
  $if A == struct {} return B
  return Suc(Add(A.prev, B))
}

[clear sedge]

that sounds ominous

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

i bet this is how python people feel reading c++ code

i don't understand :D

[sage crag]

mayhaps

[rigid snow]

took me a while to understand what "to be groupchatted" means

[sage crag]

Zero := struct {}

One := Suc(Zero) // == struct { struct {} }
Two := Suc(One) // == struct { struct { struct {} }}

[twilit vector]

hii chatt

[livid relic]

is this https://www.openmymind.net/Basic-MetaProgramming-in-Zig/

[clear sedge]

i still don't understand

[real sierra]

my worst fear

[sage crag]

and then from there you just need to do basic peano arithmetic recursive

[rigid snow]

garbage collection

[clear sedge]

oh

[rigid snow]

not group chat

[twilit vector]

what language is this?

[real sierra]

never be caught in a group chat with more than 3 people

[sage crag]

hblang

[clear sedge]

zig

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

that's where every controversy starts

[clear sedge]

duh

[opaque sigil]

i love how you got hit with the zig link

[twilit vector]

zig??

[sage crag]

hblang

[clear sedge]

yeah rust

[twilit vector]

waitt

[clear sedge]

it's dlang

:D

[sage crag]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/mlokis/hblang

[rigid snow]

nuh uh

[sage crag]

oh ye recent language update, we got @type_info()

[sage crag]

syntax highlight how

[tender river]

nerds

[rigid snow]

no u

[sage crag]

oh also tagged unions

[clear sedge]

tagged unions based

[twilit vector]

Go (Golang)?

[real sierra]

I don't wanna be class I wanna go home and

[livid relic]

have a birthday party?

[real sierra]

wait I can't work on chess bot either because no token

[sage crag]

$if @type_info(struct {}) != .@struct die
$if @type_info(struct {})[e-mail] != 0 die

[real sierra]

no die

[clear sedge]

no dir

[rigid snow]

only file

[clear sedge]

shiro is this how you celebrate your birthday

[real sierra]

fat32 again

[clear sedge]

put everything in /

[real sierra]

ask me next year

[sage crag]

march 27

[real sierra]

how know

[clear sedge]

[sage crag]

same day

how forget

[real sierra]

note taking time

must lock

🔒

[sage crag]

%lock

[clear sedge]

%appdata% flashbacks

[woven coral]

shiro\_nya

Server Avatar

[sage crag]

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[twilit vector]

AO ANYONE KNOWS JAVASCRIPT?

[tender river]

no nobody

[rigid snow]

502 Gateway Error
Server VM KILL
Boot 10 minute

i am now cosplaying greatness

[tender river]

[clear sedge]

i was born in the javascript

raised in it

[twilit vector]

WHAT?

[twilit vector]

AHH THEN AM THE ONLY ONE YAYYY

[sage crag]

so loud

[rigid snow]

gucci mane love javascript node js on top of it

oh my god why does nothing ever work

[rigid snow]

lightest docker container

11 minutes still fucking spinning up

[twilit vector]

no it's not

[twilit vector]

i'm still learning nodeeee

[real sierra]

screeps

[sage crag]

they all died

screeps all gone

[rigid snow]

[livid relic]

what happens if i set volume to 200%

[rigid snow]

clipping

[twilit vector]

🪳

[livid relic]

it doesnt allow above 100% for volume, but you can set gain to 2.

very sad

[twilit vector]

blastt

[nocturne olive]

Your peaks get clamped to 100% so you end up with clipped output

[rigid timber]

you're not

[twilit vector]

you know???

[rigid timber]

yes

[twilit vector]

omgh yayy

[clear sedge]

i know javascript

[twilit vector]

rainnnnnn

yayayayayay

[clear sedge]

kittyyyy

[twilit vector]

rainnn

[clear sedge]

hiii

[twilit vector]

heleeoeo

yk i have 2 rain

[balmy nacelle]

my curiosity, im gonna learn how to make ai from a friend soon to beat the game im making which is just a simple td game, what would be like the learning method used for this project? I assume just higher rewards based on higher score by itself isnt enough

[real sierra]

I'd want to know more about the TD game

but I'd say it makes sense to use progress of the furthest enemy along the track and remaining currency as score factors

the further enemies are getting, the worse you're doing

but you want to solve it by spending the minimum needed

[balmy nacelle]

uh its a bit different from the traditional

td archtype

its more of a

[real sierra]

yeah then that info is pretty important if you want a domain-specialized ai

[balmy nacelle]

core in the middle u place towers and stuff zombies path to core and destroy anything on the path

so including towers

[faint sandal]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjeej85452o

[balmy nacelle]

so the only penalty i can think of is if it loses towers

[faint sandal]

what do you MEAN i'm in germany this week for a infosec conf

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[twilit vector]

can you guys give me some ideas??i wanna make a game

[tender river]

it was you

ye arrested

[faint sandal]

[real sierra]

what about chess

start with writing a bot to play against

[torpid kelp]

like, ideas to make into a game, or?

[twilit vector]

to make any game

like i told you i made a sudoko game so i want to make another it's my project

[torpid kelp]

so you want ideas for what to make into a game, is that right?

[tender river]

make game of 15 and beat it under 40 moves

[twilit vector]

yseesss

[clear sedge]

make conway's game of life

[twilit vector]

aii what?

[clear sedge]

[faint sandal]

actual researchers are getting fucked over by the ransomware incidents now that's meta
https://vxtwitter.com/russianpanda9xx/status/1970134790675513569?s=46

RussianPanda 🐼 🇺🇦 (@RussianPanda9xx)

Whoever the fck is disrupting the Berlin airport is about to regret if my plane is delayed. RussianPanda is coming to town

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqjeej85452o

vxTwitter / fixvx · Sep 22, 2025, 2:35 PM

[twilit vector]

ohh i can

[tender river]

its so hard after days of practice and rerolling i managed to beat randomized game of 15 on flipper zero in 39 moves

[faint sandal]

(her talk is on wednesday)

[tender river]

i was recently able to match it too

[torpid kelp]

a rouge-like about a tomato princess on a quest to unite the vegetable and fruit kingdoms, so that they can defeat the weeds that are planning to invade while the vegetables and fruits are at war with eachother

[twilit vector]

then i can't make it

[sage crag]

ye do in 38

[tender river]

not miku number

[sage crag]

miku--

[keen hatch]

You can try to improve this game ) #programming message

[sage crag]

slop

[twilit vector]

it sounds good but can chatgpt explain this game

[tender river]

now miku is getting decremented after just 89?

[torpid kelp]

wth does that mean

[sage crag]

ye just 89 is done

im adding more spaces to just 89 though

[twilit vector]

it means i didn't understand the idea of the game

[sage crag]

critical thinking is dead

[keen hatch]

i need to download more vram

[clear sedge]

base damage thinking is now the norm

it's a shame

[sage crag]

[clear sedge]

[sage crag]

who is essaying

[tender river]

@real sierra how test

[keen hatch]

I still haven't solved the problem with cuda oom... it crashes even with multiple GPUs

[opaque sigil]

time to get that rtx pro blackwell

[real sierra]

test?

make random moves bot and play it against itself in cute chess or something

[torpid kelp]

wall of text alert
ok here
the type of game is a rogue like
the protagonist is a tomato princess (as in her design will be based of off a tomato)
the plot is that the vegetable kingdom, and the fruit kingdom are fighting. The weed kingdom(who were outcast) are planning to take over, when both kingdoms are focusing on eachother
the goal is for the player to unite the 2 kingdoms[that is, the vegetable and fruit kingdoms] against the weeds.
the game, would be in a level by level format, simular to the gba game, "Boktai : the sun is in your hands!" , with a timing and teirs for how well you played. this incitivies the player to preform well.
does this make sense?

[real sierra]

Monte Carlo illegal move search

[keen hatch]

I'm thinking about it..

[opaque sigil]

there are also those 80gb pcie a100s if you can get them for cheap enough

[sage crag]

shiro

shiro

shiro

one of these is shiro one of them is shiro and the other is shiro

all three are different

[keen hatch]

The issue with CUDA is strange... it allocates vram on all GPUs... but on 0 GPU it always allocates everything it can... while on others there is still a lot of free vram, and at some point it crashes and max_memory does nothing.

[sage crag]

gpu

graphical praphical uraphical

[opaque sigil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1403162811965636721/1222288209900343366.gif

[real sierra]

Lagrange multipliers

not again

I thought I wouldn't need this knowledge anymore

[opaque sigil]

[opaque sigil]

this does sound like what you want, ideally without actually running out of memory though

[sage crag]

lagrange

someone send :ReallyMad:

or :ReallyGunPull:

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

thank you

[opaque sigil]

i feel the same way towards lagrange multipliers so i get it

[real sierra]

one more equality constraint and I'm going to divide someone by 0

[sage crag]

divide by zero algorithm

while (1) {}

divide by zero algorithm

[twilit vector]

Ohh you mean it’s like a rogue-like game where the tomato princess has to bring the fruit and vegetable kingdoms together against the weeds?right?

[sage crag]

that's what they said the first time

[twilit vector]

👻

[torpid kelp]

yes

[twilit vector]

and the gameplay will be levelbased with rankings, kind of like Boktai??where weeds will be the real enemies??

the veg fruits will be distracted by fighting?

[sage crag]

asbestos

[real sierra]

yummy

[torpid kelp]

yes
the vegetables and the fruits aren't paying attention to the weeds. so the tomato has to get them to listen and focus on the weeds

[twilit vector]

ohhh okok thanks to youuu i got the best idea

[torpid kelp]

yay! :D

wish you luck on your coding endevors :)

[twilit vector]

🪿

[twilit vector]

thankuh so much teacherrr

[real sierra]

they took all the numbers out of the equations

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

#if 0
    tmp=$(mktemp)
    cc -O0 -o "$tmp" "$0" && "$tmp"
    exit
#endif

int main() {
    __builtin_printf("hello!\n");
}

i sorry for this

[clear sedge]

oh my god you're an evil mastermind

[tender river]

cant #!/usr/bin/env bash because c

[sage crag]

ye

i tried

invalid preproc statement

[real sierra]

holy evil

i had an idea actually

does __LINE__ consider \n as a new line or ; as a new line

could be a nice alternative to counter at the cost of horrific spacing

[sage crag]

\n

i tested it

[real sierra]

never need to write ints again

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

nono hear me out

#define init = __LINE__;

[sage crag]

[keen hatch]

Why is it using the slowest GPU... CUDA_DEVICE_ORDER="FASTEST_FIRST"

[real sierra]

huge saving

[sage crag]

integer literal the same length

[real sierra]

nuhuh

can't macro the = and ; if you have variable literal

otherwise the macro needs an argument and you lose token to the ()

compilers face when my source file is 10 million lines (I needed to allocate a big array)

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

Maybe it goes Ti > super > no postfix

Just set CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES

[real sierra]

hold on

I'm cooking

[sage crag]

shiro will never be cooking

[nocturne olive]

Turns out I was busy for most of today, I'll probably document the Kotlin Chess API tomorrow if I have time

Assuming I can figure out how to make the docs

[mighty thorn]

[real sierra]

#define half_c __COUNTER__ >> 1
#define half_c_dec half_c - 1
#define defx int x ## half_c = __LINE__ - x ## half_c_dec;

?

I don't think this is actually an improvement

probably still do

#define defx int x ## __COUNTER__ = __LINE__;

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

then get free variable initialization

[sage crag]

you did it wrong

[real sierra]

one token

:D

[real sierra]

but if I post it here people can't resist fixing it for me

[sage crag]

__COUNTER__ wont paste

you have to use the concat macro i showed

[real sierra]

bwaaaaa

[twilit vector]

what is this

[cosmic sphinx]

first taste of this great app..

[sage crag]

im never using capital letters again

[real sierra]

gpu use statistics

like task manager

[sage crag]

typedef enum {
  ermie,
  erm,
  er,
  e,
} erms;

snake case type names

[real sierra]

!

[sage crag]

[twilit vector]

OHHH STATS IS MY SUBJECT'

[sage crag]

loud

i'll also start suffixing all of my type names in _t

just to violate posix

[real sierra]

[twilit vector]

YOU GUYS ARE GENIUS

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

you forgot :_e:

[real sierra]

I'm idiot

[twilit vector]

DO YOU GUYS STUDY OR JUST WORK?

[real sierra]

no have

[twilit vector]

YOU ARE NOT

[sage crag]

is it :e_:

[real sierra]

both

[sage crag]

@honest scaffold one e please

[honest scaffold]

e

[twilit vector]

STUDY WHAT....IN WHICH CLASS

[sage crag]

wrong

[honest scaffold]

[sage crag]

thank you

[honest scaffold]

its e_

[real sierra]

majoring in mathematics

[twilit vector]

you mean in uni...woahh

[real sierra]