programming

[fast pagoda]

lol

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:wq!

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i have been using neovide rather than neovim (rust nvim) it's got cool smooth scrolling and whatnot

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sounds like the usual rust circle jerk

[fast pagoda]

still nvim in the end

it is

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there should be a vim action to open stackoverflow

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there's no way there havent been a million

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lel

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You have lua go make it

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what is this a gmod addon

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yes

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lua is one of those languages that is completely useless and only exists for plugins/modding

[fast pagoda]

i only know lua because of world of warcraft

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simple modding and plugins at least

[fast pagoda]

well, "know" lua

i am not good at lua

but i can do a wow addon

[silent cloak]

i looked into it once for gmod

then i realized i was wasting my time

[fast pagoda]

there are a few 2d game engines that are like

only lua

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they should shutdown

[fast pagoda]

love2d

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lua isnt exactly the worlds most performant and efficient language

[fast pagoda]

corona as well

well solar2d now

[silent cloak]

might as well use php

[fast pagoda]

lua is generally faster than python at least in the use cases that lua is good for

to my understanding

[silent cloak]

well thats not that impressive

both are slow af

[fast pagoda]

python has gotten a lot faster over the last 5ish versions

[real sierra]

lua for the chess bot contest

worst of potentially all worlds

[fast pagoda]

pypy can be faster than node 22 and almost as fast as rust in some situations

[silent cloak]

thats only when ur using libraries with backends coded in superior languages

[keen hatch]

I was thinking of adding lua to ik_llama.cpp server to test some of my ideas )))

[silent cloak]

lua and python are good for prototyping and kind of "scratchpad" languages

[fast pagoda]

pypy is all python

and it's faster than CPython

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but anything for runtime or production is a joke

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dreamberd is the best language of all

as every chad knows

[fast pagoda]

python losing the GIL it'll be interesting to see how much that speeds it up

[fast pagoda]

wha

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dreamberd

[real sierra]

STATIC ONLY

[fast pagoda]

very stupid little benchmarks of course but it can be quiccer than one might think

[fast pagoda]

my favourite paramore song

const const const

[tender river]

balatro's written in lua

also into the breach

[fast pagoda]

yeah balatro uses love2d

[tender river]

also koreader

[real sierra]

secure and communicative mutability restrictions, ensuring data integrity and protecting users from misusing interfaces

[keen hatch]

WoW uses Lua for interface addons

[tender river]

?? luajit is pretty fast

[fast pagoda]

me when pypy is fast but nobody kno

JIT are crazy

[real sierra]

im sorry where did Gulf of Mexico come into this

[tender river]

roblox's probably the biggest user of lua on the planet

[silent cloak]

they went political and renamed it

but its still dreamberd to me

[fast pagoda]

lmfao they renamed the language to gulf of mexico?

epic

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yeah

[real sierra]

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peak though

[real sierra]

last in between program runs HOLY

finally, a REAL global

[fast pagoda]

lmaooooo

[tender river]

unironically this

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// lasts forever

[fast pagoda]

a functional programming chad needs no loops

[silent cloak]

this is actually peak

[fast pagoda]

...

i like that

lol

lets you see into the present

lol

[real sierra]

i dont want to know what the previous keyword entails for the memory footprint

[fast pagoda]

has to be epic for memory

yeah

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probably just a macro for a swap

[real sierra]

current

[fast pagoda]

ive always wanted to see into the present myself

just remove the entire construct from the language

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you can

some mad lads are working on a compiler for this btw

[real sierra]

im ok with this

[silent cloak]

trying to implement as much as the doc as possible

[fast pagoda]

these people are the only ones in the world who understand true freedom

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https://github.com/TodePond/GulfOfMexico

its the best shitpost language

[fast pagoda]

i am sure that whoever wrote this would be a fun conversation

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its a community effort

every dev ragebait and shitpost is added pretty much

[fast pagoda]

incredible website

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lmaoo

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

hey im in wait a min

this is my dream

my dreamberd

[fast pagoda]

i viewed their youtube video and was lead from there to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9oOKqMjNUo

shiro i remembered <>

im so good at everything

[real sierra]

good job

[fast pagoda]

thank you i always wanted to do a good joibp

[silent cloak]

i wanna try out that partial compiler

https://github.com/vivaansinghvi07/dreamberd-interpreter/

[fast pagoda]

wallpaper_dont_upload.png

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lmao

[fast pagoda]

it was an empty file as well

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRKnrFEjDF0

i saw this linked on their website

[fast pagoda]

that's where i watched then got linked to the nerds man dancing on a 2d plane in the sky

[silent cloak]

remember its not AR

[fast pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9oOKqMjNUo no more good job because i needed the thumbnail to be at least briefly seen

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its completely different

[fast pagoda]

the comments on that are great

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i kind of like this

[real sierra]

true

that's like super convenient event handling tbh

[fast pagoda]

isnt that kida just while false

[real sierra]

?

how

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na

[fast pagoda]

no im stupid nvm lule

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its pretty much just an event callback

[fast pagoda]

i meant to say

while not

which is basically while foo is not true the loop continues

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[real sierra]

@olive sable i found trinary

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it truly is

[real sierra]

in what base

[jagged turtle]

"This is great for when you want to keep your open-sourced project closed-source"

[fast pagoda]

hey i've seen this one

i was just bitching about this

[silent cloak]

i cant wait to use int99

[amber fractal]

binary is int9 so I got a small guess

[fast pagoda]

i only work in base420

[real sierra]

the joke is that lots of people who like open source software dont like microsoft and other companies training models on it without permission

i think

[keen hatch]

i have to implement this )

[jagged turtle]

surely there was a better way to word it though

[silent cloak]

that would really suck

[fast pagoda]

or theyre me and dont want someone to yoink it and sell it when i put it out for free (which is much less common than i would've assumed it is)

kek

[amber fractal]

Manual daylight savings goes hard

[tender river]

its as legal as it is to scrape proprietary code

[fast pagoda]

well generally posting it on like gh they gave permission technically at some point

you can opt out of some of it but

[real sierra]

but if you're putting restrictions on use of your software, it's closed-source

thats the joke

[tender river]

you may upload stuff you dont even have copyright for

[tender river]

no? gpl is restrictive and free

[real sierra]

jokes are wasted here

[tender river]

[silent cloak]

german level of humor here

[tender river]

[blissful geyser]

i thought the whole point of free open source was that everyone gets to see the code, use it or improve it

[amber fractal]

I realized reading into this that I have been at this github page before

[silent cloak]

yeah its dreamberd

[fast pagoda]

yeah i do wonder how that ends up working out - like let's say i put out some music, and then someone grabs the file and uploads that to like udio or something and sloppifies it, udio's license agreement pretty much says that they own it forever no matter what if it's on their platform and kick rocks otherwise even if you delete ur account etc they have infinite rights

[silent cloak]

its the greatest language of all time

[fast pagoda]

sounds like a long and painful thing whatever would happen there because surely if you dont have fair use/permission you can't cede that right

[real sierra]

after full legal proceedings it probably comes out to something like "The person who put it on udio did not have the legal status needed to sign the agreement provided by udio and thus it was never valid in the first place"

[tender river]

thing is open source licenses dont allow using your code for training data, plain and simple. even mit and apache require attribution

however

many laws explicitly allow training on any data

no matter the license or copyright

it depends on your jurisdiction

and on how much money you have

[fast pagoda]

yeah, same as something like negligence - if your car gets stolen and that guy drives into a building and knocks it over, it doesnt mean you're negligent and thus liable for the damage to that building, as the guy did not have permission to use the vehicle

[tender river]

[blissful geyser]

TL;DR money decides whats law and what isn't

[fast pagoda]

yeah if you ask meta definitely

less if you ask anthropic currently lule

but they agree prob

since meta is way larger

[silent cloak]

feed them poisoned data

easy

[blissful geyser]

don't artists already do this

[silent cloak]

websites do it too

[fast pagoda]

some

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYm2d9bmEA

this guy is based in general

[silent cloak]

there are sites that are designed to "capture" ai crawlers

[fast pagoda]

he has a lot of adversarial ai things up

[silent cloak]

they are pretty much stuck in an endless loop

not able to escape the site

[fast pagoda]

yeah cloudflare has it as well as a feature lol

i saw it today

[blissful geyser]

the whole web development has turned into a tower defense game

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pretty much

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i have em all enabled

[fast pagoda]

it's all an arms race

the ai gets better and harder to detect

the detector gets better at detecting

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clanker verification

[blissful geyser]

the Captchas isn't even designed to let you pass even if you got the things correctly

its all mouse input based

[fast pagoda]

ive watched gpt 5 in agent mode sit there and talking to itself "alright so ive just got to click this button to verify i am a human to proceed" -> clicks it, gets right through

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i like the anti scraper ones

[blissful geyser]

you can get everything wrong and still pass the captcha for some reason

[fast pagoda]

the entitites

entities

[blissful geyser]

meanwhile Recaptcha when you're using chrome be like: "Oh just click the tick box, do nothing and you're good to go"

[silent cloak]

recaptcha isnt actually supposed to work

its to farm data

[blissful geyser]

it doesn't even ask me to solve things anymore

[silent cloak]

it does when i slap a VPN on

[blissful geyser]

i just click the tick box and its just checked

[blissful geyser]

VPN IP addresses are always flagged as bots

[silent cloak]

my browser is constantly deflecting google stuff so often ill have to do one too

[blissful geyser]

Adblock makes everything better

[silent cloak]

poisoning trackers is also something u can do

feed em random data

[fast pagoda]

i dont ever see captcha unless im vpn'd out my dome

[blissful geyser]

it means they gathered enough data about you and they dont need to anymore

[glad path]

i just spent like 9 years tryna replicate chayleaf's terminal coloring

im not even very close

[fast pagoda]

yeah was gonna say it's cuz they know exactly who i am and where at all times

[glad path]

i only did a bit of the right hand

[fast pagoda]

she has an image in the background yea

[glad path]

excluding that

as well

[blissful geyser]

then google is gonna say toodles and sell your data to the lowest bidder for the 9999th time

[tender river]

https://github.com/chayleaf/dotfiles/blob/master/home/modules/terminal.nix

[blissful geyser]

then another lawsuit cycle like its a time loop

though they weren't actually lying about YouTube hanging on to ads to keep itself up

lmfao

[fast pagoda]

well, google technically (and this is what they claim so... yea) is the databroker of all databrokers in that they also sell the ads and have all the data so they can just sell the exposure to your data to advertisers

without actually handing over your data

but

to what extent that stays within their walls only who knows

they dont have to sell your data to someone because they are the ones that would want to buy the data anyways

[blissful geyser]

how do you think they made gemini from scratch

[fast pagoda]

yeah but it's still in house

im not saying they dont use it

[keen hatch]

The worst data collector of all is Cloudflare. They decrypt all SSL traffic using a reverse proxy... Half the Internet uses it... Now you have to live with it )

[blissful geyser]

i hate cloudflare

[fast pagoda]

it's like 15-20% of literally all traffic ever going thru there so yeah they kno

errthing

[blissful geyser]

every single time a slow ass turnstile captcha where i can do nothing but wait in agony

[fast pagoda]

i am glad i do not get those due to them having my dna and a stool sample on file so they can just verify it's me even if i'm browsing on the terlet

sometimes i say things and i just hate myself

[blissful geyser]

also their DNS goes down every 30 mins for some reason

[fast pagoda]

that sounds like a problem somewhere between them and you because i do not have that experience with it

[blissful geyser]

Cloudflare DNS works a while until they dont

and then im left stuck there waiting for a website that wont load even if my internet is fine

[fast pagoda]

[keen hatch]

So the funniest thing is that they say things like... we will encrypt your traffic for users... and you can even use http... we don't care)

[fast pagoda]

that never happens on my end, are you in asia perchance? dont have to answer if not wanting to but i know they have higher connection latency to the asian side of the world in general

[blissful geyser]

Southeast Asia specifically

oh so thats why

now i hate cloudflare even more

[fast pagoda]

yep that checks out but i'd bet money it's a combo of their latency already being generally higher to that area + some other factor with the route your connection takes to the nearest cf edge for whatever reason

[blissful geyser]

"fastest DNS in the world" my ass

that one japanese public DNS im using is faster

[fast pagoda]

https://dnsspeedtest.online/

in browser dns latency test if you want to test

for fun

[blissful geyser]

as expected

google came out top 1

they have DNS servers everywhere

[fast pagoda]

i still use google even tho it's not faster for me

but yeah if anyone has a comparable reach it's google

i think i'll switch to switch dns

only 7 seconds to respond

[fast pagoda]

mullvad consistently ass

that surprises me because i hear people say they like and use mullvad at a non trivial frequency

so i wonder if they just think the internet sucks ass

[tender river]

700ms

[fast pagoda]

op

.7 seconds LULE

well that's a little less shit

[blissful geyser]

I actually did try mullvad VPN once

it was just like any vpn but their selling point was port forwarding i guess?

and that got removed so i ain't interested anymore

[tender river]

they dont have port forwarding anymore

[fast pagoda]

base10 is pretty hard cut me some slack

[tender river]

bime

[fast pagoda]

crime

i just have a 5 euro/month box w/ ultracc that gives me ssh so i can kinda do whatever and that's my vpn

[blissful geyser]

WHAT the cloudflare DNS resolved quickly after i changed DNS to google

[fast pagoda]

lol

[blissful geyser]

i knew it cloudflare you piece of

[fast pagoda]

routing changed

to a tracert

do*

[keen hatch]

"Enable encryption only between your visitors and Cloudflare. This will avoid browser security warnings, but all connections between Cloudflare and your origin are made through HTTP."

[fast pagoda]

well the idea would be a non-sensitive page being served doesnt need it ig

and if it's between cf and the user then your origin server never has an insecure connection itself

so as long as you trust cf then YOU're fine

and the user is free to not use https for some reason

i like how google's routing domain within their network is 1e100.net (1 googol)

[jagged turtle]

something something legacy systems something something people are lazy I think

[keen hatch]

the server could be anywhere... and if someone is stupid enough to use http betwean cf and origin, then all the traffic is visible to everyone... you can't trust the intermediate hops

[fast pagoda]

oh yea it's the opposite i read wrong

but either way i mean http isnt a bad thing if you arent sending sensitive data

so like for some shitty static page where nobody ever logs in and it just displays some info technically why bother

but yeah it's really just lazy/legacy crap

i force https all the time on my end if possible but there are times when it causes issues like if a cert gets fucked up

[keen hatch]

That's true, but it's like... it all starts small... then they forgot to change it... they're too lazy to update certificates, etc., and off it goes.

[fast pagoda]

hey if billybobscountrychicken.co.cc wants to serve up just menu.png and do it thru http and never fart around with it for 20 years after putting it up

it is what it is

now of course if you're hikvision and blast ur IP cameras out on the internet at large and then you get shrekt with a horrible exploit in all of those forever

different story

[keen hatch]

this won't help. users see a green icon, but in reality, data is leaking.

[blissful geyser]

the funny thing is thats pretty much the majority of IPCam configurations by default

[fast pagoda]

if used correctly there should never be a server that is set up to send sensitive pages thru this method

but uh

[blissful geyser]

most businesses and corporations don't even bother changing the configuration

[fast pagoda]

yeah

browsing iot stuff just broadcasting out into the void is a trip

[keen hatch]

Well, the menu itself hints at the fact that all traffic is decrypted one way or another, because it's a reverse proxy and CF monitors everything that passes through and can modify the content.

[fast pagoda]

i havent done it in a while but last time i looked around i connected to a camera and it was in someone's living room and they were just cooking food

most ive ever felt like an intruder in my life so i havent done it since

[blissful geyser]

Same but in my case it was a random japanese guy's 360 camera thats staring outside down the street

and it was remotely controllable

[fast pagoda]

see i was having some fun with ones like that and that's how i found myself in the living room and then it was not fun anymore

[blissful geyser]

Guy saw his camera moving by itself and later the camera changed passwords and the camera was back to the same position

well that was a good way to notify him

[fast pagoda]

☠️

pentester supreme

[blissful geyser]

real

the camera was so weirdly angled though

idek why he put it staring at the sky

freakin UFO catcher angled ahh camera

and there was this weird ip camera where he broadcasts his room full of cats

that was it

it was just a room full of 30 cats

i think the guy was flexing how many cats he has

kinda cute though

[keen hatch]

or he tried to determine the location by the stars

[toxic geyser]

I worked all day yesterday on a small pixel canvas for my stream and so far only me and my friends have put pixels on it ;~;
I did the risky thing of letting it run through the night on stream, just to wake up to a message from a guy calling the stream boring and calling me a loser. >.<

[blissful geyser]

i was mostly busy defending the alien, the cow and evil neuro

so many fricking osu bombs

wait is this a different canvas

oh nevermind i have super low reading comprehension

[toxic geyser]

Lmao that's sounds like Majora's mask but with evil

is ok xD

[toxic geyser]

yeah it is
Small canvas on my stream.
Accessible through the chat.
But I wont promote it yet since... im scared of traffic. but then the opposite happens and I get 0 traffic LOL

its not on now, cuz I feel like if I have it on, I would need to keep watch. for TOS images lmao

[fast pagoda]

so that is 3 canvases in this chat so far today\

mine & ytsoda's which is pretty much js &tailwind frontend/js backend, []/blank's rust one, and now this one
@toxic geyser what's the language used

[toxic geyser]

python backend js front

[fast pagoda]

how's the response time from the backend

[blissful geyser]

ooo

[fast pagoda]

i was gonna do python and then cf workers which host it had incomplete python support on workers at the time so i did a js backend instead

[blissful geyser]

mind if i draw something?

hehehehehe

[toxic geyser]

its actually pretty good, but I didn't measure it tbh. I should probably do that too LOL

[jagged turtle]

ALL MY TABS GOT NUKED BECAUSE MY BROWSER FROZE NOOOOOOOO

[fast pagoda]

db for pixels?

[blissful geyser]

Download more ram

[fast pagoda]

no "ur shit blew up u wanna reload em?" available?

[jagged turtle]

tbh idt it wouldve done anything

[jagged turtle]

nope, my recently closed tabs menu didnt show the tabs either

[blissful geyser]

lol i think the memory management utility killed the entire browser process

[fast pagoda]

oof

mf got PRUNED

[blissful geyser]

how many windows is bro opening

[toxic geyser]

yes

this is what I have on it till now. I made an exporter for the history for it

[fast pagoda]

probably the bottleneck unless you're using asyncio is the db

[toxic geyser]

asyncio indeed

[fast pagoda]

i wanted to do this but havent yet sadge

[jagged turtle]

think I had like 50 or so

so not too much either

[toxic geyser]

sorry for flashbang btw

[fast pagoda]

although this canvas is fairly big

get more flashbanged

hah

[toxic geyser]

xD

[jagged turtle]

istg if I had vedal.ai/dogs.html in the bg loaded without me realising

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[toxic geyser]

yeah I wanted it small for now. I can think about scaling later when I get basic functions down

[fast pagoda]

the biggest bottleneck at the start was the actual rendering of the page

not that it didnt render but it was choppy

[amber fractal]

I see my bwaa still

[toxic geyser]

what do you store?

[fast pagoda]

lol i was about to post it

[toxic geyser]

I have 2 storages. 1 for history and metadata and 1 for current state being updated.

[fast pagoda]

it's stored in a kv cache while it's on the worker but i back it up and restore it from a giant json if needed

[toxic geyser]

more ofcourse. but those are important

[real sierra]

reading C code golf techniques

using / instead of >= is wacky

and combining blocks with commas to avoid having to use {} following a control statement

[toxic geyser]

yeah for display I have the cache update it

[fast pagoda]

and then i have a sql db of the interactions if they are store

[amber fractal]

The days when it didn't have a pixel cooldown

[tender geode]

I don't understand a word of this coding stuff, but I just wanted to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY SHIRO 🎂

[fast pagoda]

i should disable it and then have it autoreenable if someone starts spamming

i just did per-connection rate limiting yesterday but i havent pushed that one to the worker yet

[real sierra]

ITS NOT 🎂

[amber fractal]

Shiro really needs a birthday cake exploding emoji

[real sierra]

contest rules obviously forbid this but it's insane it's possible

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

lmfao i think i may have accidentally put a non mono font in my config

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-wide-walk-cane-gif-17555511

required listening whilst this wide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvLLeywUohE

@amber fractal slapped u on the whitelist i cant remember for the life of me if it disables the cooldown

shiro is on there since it's his birthday

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

it authenticates via logging in w/ discord so it matches your id

[amber fractal]

Makes sense

[blissful geyser]

can i be added

[fast pagoda]

when it's backed up to json it's fairly funny looking cuz it's just this giant 250k line json

[fast pagoda]

sure

donezo

lemme know if that actually disables the cd because it USED to but i think i changed it to be toggleable at some point

the whitelist definitely has a main purpose of banning literally everyone except the whitelisted people from placing pixels

[blissful geyser]

Oh ok

[fast pagoda]

@real sierra how does WHITE MODE COLOUR go

i forgot i had a theme toggle on the dash too lol

[toxic geyser]

since mine is in twitch/yt chat... imma just chat ban offenders LOL

[fast pagoda]

still green text it's epic

[blissful geyser]

wait how do i get to the canvas

[fast pagoda]

i wonder if you could use discord validation for that still since people link their disc and twitch

oh it's

https://neurosama.place/

damn i have no image for the embed still

f

it defaults to eye searing mode but if you click the login up top right you can put dark mode

[toxic geyser]

Uh... unless it shows up in chat... I don't think it should work but that's a good test to check tomorrow

[fast pagoda]

the side bar is fugged up rn fyi because i am bad

[fast pagoda]

i was just thinkin like how people get their role in disc from their twitch sub

[blissful geyser]

Its pretty cool

[amber fractal]

Can't pixel on the PSP due to not being able to network

[fast pagoda]

F

there is a mobile layout so it should still work on a phone although i have broken it a few times like a boss

[blissful geyser]

it disabled the 60 sec cooldown but theres another cooldown

[toxic geyser]

ah mine is not doing any authenticating xD
I am pulling twitch from the chat....
We all know... about yt....

[blissful geyser]

is that intentional

[fast pagoda]

is it 2seconds

[blissful geyser]

yep

[fast pagoda]

and you are logged in via disc auth right

i think there is a small sanity cd still

to prevent like a bot from just coming in and painting the entire canvas

you seem to be updating it p quick tho

[toxic geyser]

yt im using what the chat message says the person is... but there you can just impersonate so... that's why I locked admin stuff on twitch chat

[toxic geyser]

I like sanity cd xD

[real sierra]

what the hell

I read too much code golf

how to forget

[fast pagoda]

i last touched the code that is deployed on this worker rn 2 months ago and have been wildly changing some stuff so i cant remember 100% exactly how i had it done but yeah i think the non login cd is 60s, and then there is a 2s cd for logged in people, i might make it lower if it's still 2s

have to fix this damn log first tho

cuts off for no reason from when i was farting around with fancy smooth collapsing and also it stopped reporting the colour somehow

[real sierra]

not bad

[real sierra]

I'm on the list

[fast pagoda]

happy borthday

i think i will reduce the logged in cd to like .5-1s

it has to have something

[blissful geyser]

Damn

[toxic geyser]

noice

[blissful geyser]

wait what the-

[fast pagoda]

amogus

[blissful geyser]

you had a patting gif specifically for me

[fast pagoda]

script based on discord username

pulls ur pfp and blasts that out

see

[real sierra]

how does it work on animated pfp

[blissful geyser]

oh that's cool

[real sierra]

oh

[toxic geyser]

next time I have mine on, imma fastpass whoever wants to go sign it.

[fast pagoda]

are you on cf or self hosting rn?? i recommend workers at least so far because it's been free and has made me not have to like actually keep my pc up

once you figure out how wrangler goes it's p nice

[toxic geyser]

my pc for now, since mine will be on when I stream anything

[real sierra]

array[i] = *(array + i) = i[array]

[fast pagoda]

ahh

[toxic geyser]

I can set up worker fast if need be at some point. xD
But ima 0viewer andy for now

[fast pagoda]

well if you end up looking for an ez host i recommend that HOWEVER make sure you dont have something in ur backend that will hold the worker online forever like i did the first time i deployed it

because i definitely forgor that i needed to use hibernating websockets instead of normal ones

[toxic geyser]

haha I see ofc

[fast pagoda]

on the left was the billable duration on cf i had without it

and then on the right when i fixed it lmao

highly not recommended

[toxic geyser]

HOLY

[jagged turtle]

hmmmmmmm

[fast pagoda]

wandow moment

how much ram do you have

[blissful geyser]

Discord Gaming

[jagged turtle]

16g

[fast pagoda]

linux is calling ur name

[toxic geyser]

oh wait I can share this for now.
I made a little python script for preparing templates on my 32x32.
https://github.com/DeviousSiddy/mini-pixel-canvas-tools

[hollow spruce]

Too much ram

[toxic geyser]

32gb
Had 64 but a 32 stick gave out last week

[tender river]

&& || (<-- in javascript) = , ++ -- my beloved

[jagged turtle]

my school says nuh uh

[blissful geyser]

im living on 4GB ram

💀

[real sierra]

~9 instead of -10

tho I guess that saves no tokens for us

token evil...

[fast pagoda]

linux is DEFINITELY calling your name

[fast pagoda]

believe it or not

linux is calling your name as well

[toxic geyser]

xD

[toxic geyser]

I should since im a python dev anyway

[blissful geyser]

Me wants to compile any program in windows
Windows: You need visual studio and 20+ GB worth of dependencies or else

[fast pagoda]

i saw, a code-oss/vscodium and/or vscode editor as well and it is unintuitive but let me tell you

vscode runs magnitudes better

[toxic geyser]

wha? VSCode is enough for most

[blissful geyser]

im developing for Android apps

and that is just abysmal in windows

but relatively easy on linux

[fast pagoda]

linux!

[toxic geyser]

hmmm. Havent done that in a while. is Android studio still a thing xD

[fast pagoda]

ye

[toxic geyser]

kotlin was easy enough to do

[fast pagoda]

and it's still fukin jetbrains

[blissful geyser]

it is but theres other ways to develop without it

[toxic geyser]

ah ok

[fast pagoda]

does supabase allow android apps yet

err

the other one

[toxic geyser]

I saw recently people developing in react to have web apps running on android and IOS both. kinda nuts

[fast pagoda]

firebase lmfao

[toxic geyser]

Not for me though

[blissful geyser]

idk i never used it i mainly used Kotlin

cause its basically Java but better

[fast pagoda]

yeah react, flutter ( ☠️ ), dart ( flutter but goggle ☠️ ) are 3 that i can think of now that allow targeting web & the mobile operating systems

[toxic geyser]

dude when I did kotlin I celebrated the death of openj

[blissful geyser]

Kotlin fixed what java didn't

the overly verbose syntax

[jagged turtle]

it became discord's turn to crash and die

[fast pagoda]

brother

[amber fractal]

discord never hands over that right

[fast pagoda]

restart your pc please

[blissful geyser]

bro you have 16Gb and your pc is crashing more than mine whos on life support

[fast pagoda]

and then whne you reboot, go into bootloader, boot a linux live cd, and be surprised at how little ram you use for the same thing

after install

since the live cd is loaded into ram it takes some lol

[jagged turtle]

you forgot the part where the school is incompetent af and only lets you use windows

i tried bringing a linux device to school and connecting it to the internet

[fast pagoda]

how do they enforce that

[toxic geyser]

it is true
Just be sure to make a lot of time free on customizing everything

[jagged turtle]

iirc something with company portal idr

I was testing this before idr

[toxic geyser]

and getting steam to work LOL

[fast pagoda]

when i switched it was literally a month of hopping and customizing and im still prone to it

nah steam so ez now

[blissful geyser]

is it a website that doesnt load if you use linux

you can just fake the user agent

[toxic geyser]

oh is it? nice

[amber fractal]

Steam is plug and play yep

[jagged turtle]

local proxy or smth?

[toxic geyser]

Oh shit is it Microsoft Intune? or Entra

[blissful geyser]

no proxy needed

[jagged turtle]

teach me your ways

[blissful geyser]

User agent is how your browser declares itself to the website

[jagged turtle]

ok well yeah but i don't want to have to like

start something up each time

or smth idk

my brain feels cooked

[jagged turtle]

oh btw I figured out why

my ssr dev server was still on for some reason

[fast pagoda]

honestly the literal only thing i have had any trouble with getting to work and it wasn't directly my fault, paint.NET running in wine is seemingly nearly impossible due to its direct3d/directX usage thru dotnet

[blissful geyser]

nah theres a User Agent Spoofer as a browser extension

[fast pagoda]

not even running it thru steam proton hoping that would help with d3d got it to work

[toxic geyser]

oh lol

[jagged turtle]

i need to get me one of those

[amber fractal]

Most firefox forks have a simple menu to set them as well

[blissful geyser]

its on chrome web store

or firefox addon

[fast pagoda]

yep

[blissful geyser]

then you can make the company portal think you're on windows

but you're actually on linux

[amber fractal]

Or IOS as a failsafe

[jagged turtle]

i'll probably become less lazy and figure it out some day

[fast pagoda]

out here on safari

[toxic geyser]

that's too many eyes from my browser looking at me for my taste

[blissful geyser]

yep they always allow iOS like a baby

[fast pagoda]

O_O

[toxic geyser]

AH

[toxic geyser]

More! stop

[jagged turtle]

"that shit's too complicated just don't bother"

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/dented-pepe-dentge-meme-hit-gif-15873918808390144538

[jagged turtle]

dentge

[blissful geyser]

i never thought i'd see a 4K version of the flat brain pepe

[toxic geyser]

its not halloween yet stahp

anyway nice talk guys~
Have a good night all

[fast pagoda]

you as well, if im on lemme know when you put ur canvas up id love to mess w/ it

[blissful geyser]

sleep tight

[toxic geyser]

yes no problem

[jagged turtle]

i need to figure out how to get pulseaudio working in docker later ahhhhhhhhhhhh

[fast pagoda]

no pipewire?

[jagged turtle]

i mean honestly idk

i just did the braindead thing of asking chatgpt for a piece of software to use and just rolling with top result

[fast pagoda]

nice i forgot i am technically a le epic extension dev but digging for the uagent spoofer made me look at the icon and be like wtf is that

because the stupid extension for this on the chrome store wants to charge money for this

[jagged turtle]

surely you can just read the js code right

definitely wouldn't be minified or obfuscated or anything

-# i should shut up

[fast pagoda]

well they have it behind a backend that does some of it i think

there's like a subscription

i was so offended

was a really easy extension to make because it's like

[jagged turtle]

why

[fast pagoda]

read le css

AI

LOL

[jagged turtle]

why do you need a backend to do something like this

[fast pagoda]

AI brah

[jagged turtle]

AI on what

[fast pagoda]

i have no idea i think they claimed the benefit was that you could extract it and then some ai would generate a shitty css template for you and send it to you

but like

or you could just do this

without any of that

[jagged turtle]

css template for what lmfao

[fast pagoda]

your own website lmao

[jagged turtle]

💀

[fast pagoda]

yeah they were like "steal a color pallet and instantly put it on your site!!"

charging people $3 a week for llama3 to poop out a garbage palette

[real sierra]

I have so much golfing to do tomorrow

[fast pagoda]

i cant spell palette consistently

[real sierra]

i can barely sleep thinking about all the curly braces I can eliminate with enough commas

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[real sierra]

I think I can get at least 5 more tokens

[fast pagoda]

the strategic and judicious application of commas

[real sierra]

idk if it's actually worth it tho

my semicolon macros will become way less useful

so I might actually lose tokens in the end

[fast pagoda]

helo

where api

(i am asking in jest btw )

i dont know if that's been clear or not but figured id uhhh advise

i just wanted to send inflated tutel

[real sierra]

we need to buy back bonds from the central bank to deflate tutel

[fast pagoda]

i was quite fond of smushed turt

[amber fractal]

I am also fond of smushed turt

[olive sable]

Morning

[amber fractal]

morbing

[fast pagoda]

mornong

[tender river]

its night time to sleep

[fast pagoda]

i slept for what felt like no time and im pretty sure it was basically no time but i woke up LOCKED IN

(to procrastinate)

[olive sable]

Isnt it even later for you?

[tender river]

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

too powerful to sleep

[olive sable]

I have class in an hour

Im looking at the college discord server like the gif of the pizza guy walking into a room on fire

Cuz their trains got delayed

[fast pagoda]

man i wish i could ever have used a train to get anywhere when i didnt have a car

[amber fractal]

o7 to them

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/whatisgoingon-ohgod-crazy-gif-7867392

[olive sable]

Ye that one

[rigid snow]

born to train, forced to uber

[fast pagoda]

B E C O M E U N L Y F T I B L E

[obsidian mantle]

Is golfing exactly what we do in this chess challenge
Or its not about tokens?

[dry charm]

what I gathered: make a bot under 1 month to beat all other peoples bots

[obsidian mantle]

google says golfing is when you make the shortest code
but shortest != minimum tokens
or is it?

[maiden geyser]

in the end, the real code golf was the unreadable code we wrote along the way

[rough bloom]

it can be, it's just a different measurement of length (tokens instead of bytes)

usually you use bytes for golfing

but tokens work too

[stark needle]

real legends will convert all their code in assembly and put it all in a single asm string and make the C code execute it

[olive sable]

Had 1st hour of class

For "game design fundamentals" there was a lot more talk about plato then expected

"Was plato wrong to ban poets from his republic?" Bro i just sat down wdym???

[wicked vale]

Discord plugin I made
https://a.very.lewd.cat/2a7xy.mp4

Rip embed

[olive sable]

[noble zodiac]

[olive sable]

Bro what is that link name?

[wicked vale]

Oh my personal image host

[rough bloom]

[maiden geyser]

do not the cat

[wicked vale]

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

[rare bramble]

why not just compile the .asm file directly?

no need for C

[stark needle]

Reduce tokens

By keeping everything in a string

[rare bramble]

does the whole string count as a single token?

[stark needle]

I believe so(?)

[rare bramble]

oh damn

[glass flower]

just base64 encode a 20000 token string and eval it at runtime

[rare bramble]

couldnt you just abuse something like the python eval() function, or equivalent in other langs?

[stark needle]

Yeah

I think

[noble zodiac]

https://hackerone.com/reports/3340109

the poor curl people cant get a break

[rigid snow]

cosmetic #include <curl/curl.h>

[jagged turtle]

mhm definitely useful

-# how do you not even check your AI outputs at the very least

[rigid snow]

it's clearly verified by evidence

[jagged turtle]

lmao

[shadow sinew]

Stream idea: Give Neuro github integration and have her open pull requests.

[noble zodiac]

if you want her to get rightfully banned, sure

[obsidian mantle]

assembly is not very token efficient, right?

[jagged turtle]

not too bad an idea right

[real sierra]

good morning programming

[obsidian mantle]

when does it start

does everyone just do it with their own api replacement rn

[real sierra]

soon, once the Haskell bindings are done it opens

[hollow spruce]

I just install asm

Windows crash

[dry charm]

wait, haskell bindings?

Where kotlin

[real sierra]

kotlin almost done I think

[dry charm]

I might squeeze in time, but most probably I cannot

[real sierra]

contest will be open for around a month it's not much code to write so don't worry

I think you can throw something basic together pretty quickly

you can always just submit whatever and see how it goes

[dry charm]

I just need to buy a carton of redbull and a weekend

[hollow spruce]

Things getting crazy

[thick thicket]

[maiden geyser]

3v4cu4737t3d4nc3floor

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

tv

why yours sharp

of course you're tv you have sharpening filter

[nocturne olive]

Soon, just needs docks

[rigid snow]

⚓

what the fuck

yeah ok

but remember chromium bad performance and bloat

how is firefox even real

[sage crag]

gecko is just worse than blink

[real sierra]

opera gx ram limiter

[sage crag]

which sucks because i cant bring myself to use a chromium browser without vomiting

[rigid snow]

no good ones exist

maybe arc but with an asterisk the size of the sun

[sage crag]

wait for ladybird, surely a fifth major browser engine will improve the state of things

[rigid snow]

surely a browser built with the goal to just because and not to improve will be better

[sage crag]

blink (chromium, grand child of khtml)
gecko (firefox)
servo (divorced firefox)
arc
whatever ladybird team is doing

[rigid snow]

arc is chromium

[real sierra]

just accept chromium

[sage crag]

i thought it was different

[real sierra]

it's inevitable

[sage crag]

nevef

never

[real sierra]

caching is good for you

[sage crag]

id rather consume raw html pages than chromium

in fact id rather consume raw html pages anyway

web ecosystem got ahead of itself imo

i miss plaintext pages

[rigid snow]

they built a whole framework on top of ungoogled with swift and it feels different enough because the ui is swiftui and they somehow managed to make that kind of work on windows

[real sierra]

I don't miss plaintext pages

not old enough to miss them I think

[hollow spruce]

Boot
Is complete

[rigid snow]

i wish i could say that

[hollow spruce]

Ehat

[sage crag]

perhaps

[rigid snow]

no boots complete today

[real sierra]

the one thing I like about plaintext pages is just downloading them for later

[rigid snow]

bad day

[real sierra]

it ok

[sage crag]

im of the opinion that there should only be two ways to show things on the web

plain html + css, and webgl (or some other render thingy)

[opaque sigil]

did they ever fix it because when they first launched it on windows it was utterly unusable

[rigid snow]

NO

[sage crag]

also kill javascript

when i write my own browser for ableos im writing my own protocol

[opaque sigil]

konii i think you'd like gemini (not the llm)

[sage crag]

i remember this

unfortunately i dont care about it

[real sierra]

hblang runs in a vm so surely you can use that as a scripting language

[sage crag]

im too far deep in the "NIH" thing

[sage crag]

yes that would be my first idea

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

ship hbvm bytecode with the websites

not hblang though

[real sierra]

hbassembly

[sage crag]

hbvm is more portable

[hollow spruce]

Asm was done

Now cpp yime

[sage crag]

i like WASM as a concept but in practice i want nothing to do with it

[rigid snow]

and a hbvm wasm interpreter as a polyfill for inferior platforms

[sage crag]

once someone cant implement an interpreter themselves a bytecode vm is dead to me

[hollow spruce]

Kolibri

[rigid snow]

DOM specific instructions?

[sage crag]

no.

dont need it

hbvm has ecall

which is environment call

this means you can implement arbitrary "instructions"

[rigid snow]

woah i have not heard of kolibrios in AGES, i recognize it's that because of the suspiciously floppy disk sized image

[sage crag]

its like a syscall except it defers to the vm handler

[hollow spruce]

Boot in the image in vm

[sage crag]

in fact, in my tiny hbvm impl, i forward ecalls directly to syscalls:

void hbvm_ecall_handler(HBVm *vm) {
  auto args = vm->regs;
  args[1] =
      syscall(args[1], args[2], args[3], args[4], args[5], args[6], args[7]);
}

[rigid snow]

i know what it is i don't need to boot it

[sage crag]

essentially hbvm is adaptable for literally any purpose

the main vm instructions are simple, atomic, and non-parallel

and the bytecode is trivial to interpret

since hbvm is the main executable format of ableos, its been shown to be capable of being used in an osdev context, and hence it can be used it literally any context

[rigid snow]

should've just done a js os

[sage crag]

explode

[rigid snow]

[rare bramble]

we want less js, not more of it

[sage crag]

when i inevitably make my web format im just going to delete html as a concept

[rigid snow]

immediate mode web

[sage crag]

ableos already has a UI markup lisp

i can just use that instead

[sage crag]

i'd honestly rather that all web pages called into some renderer rather than being markup

maybe that sounds absurd

[rigid snow]

it does because you exclude server side rendering completely

[sage crag]

my goal would be to bring web pages closer to native apps and not the other way around

in fact in ableos you can just do that anyway

since everything runs on a bytecode

[rigid snow]

java 2

[sage crag]

not java

[sage crag]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/lily-org/hbvm-c
here's my implementation of hbvm in c

[rigid snow]

3 billion devices run hbvm

[obsidian mantle]

copilot just wrote matrices transposition function for me and it looks correct
do i rewrite it myself if im trying to study it?

feels like cheating

[sage crag]

its at least 8x faster than python

and its 200 lines

[rigid snow]

a 10 month old baby runs at least 8x faster than python

[sage crag]

correct!

[rigid snow]

not a high bar

[sage crag]

actually its pretty hard to make a vm faster than this without JIT

ive optimised it

well, barring changing the ISA but i cant do that for obvious reasons

[rigid snow]

you should change the isa

hbvm 2

[sage crag]

ye bad idea

[rigid snow]

hbml

[sage crag]

i'll do it eventually but not in a production environment

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

ye anyway my vision for the web is arguably much more cursed than the current

but its better because its cursed in an intentional way

[real sierra]

that's not better

[sage crag]

its better

[real sierra]

make entire web java

[sage crag]

no, make entire web native app

different

sandboxing for bozos

[rigid snow]

it would've been cool if the web allowed you to pull native ui in

too bad it's not a good idea

[real sierra]

all stuff run on server

stream video of site to client

client send input back

[rigid snow]

||cloud computing||

[sage crag]

ok?

[real sierra]

then can use any language on server

[sage crag]

recieved program just send web request to server

[real sierra]

no scripting languages needed

[sage crag]

ye we did this its called GeForce NOW

and it sucked

[rigid snow]

i mean it works

generally

[sage crag]

only if your internet is fast

[real sierra]

replace TLS with UCI

[rigid snow]

rdp is also like uhhh the default

in corpo envs

[sage crag]

remote desktop

[real sierra]

actually can you make a scripting language that only uses valid UCI commands

[sage crag]

no.

explode

[real sierra]

moves for moving data

gives you 64 memory locations

[sage crag]

i should just write my own vm

kvm

konii vm

[rigid snow]

each piece is a board, and each piece on that board is a board too

[sage crag]

avm and the acronym stands for a vm

[real sierra]

so smart

[rigid snow]

what about avm vm

[real sierra]

you can use position fen ... to load arbitrary data

[sage crag]

this is sounding suspiciously close to the bubble abyss

[obsidian mantle]

nvm it actually failed

[sage crag]

recursive stack is a good idea if you are an esolang

[real sierra]

idea

position fen <fen> moves <move1> ...

use fen for address

store array of integers

formatted as move

gives you 8⁴ values for every int

[sage crag]

clang

stand for chess lang

[real sierra]

plus 5 for promotions

int range is [-10239, 10240]

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1276149117717970964.gif?quality=lossless&name=nopy&size=64

[torpid kelp]

hello fellow programmers

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/671211728968744980/1028258145157513216/togif-1.gif

[torpid kelp]

oh ok :<

[rigid snow]

wtf

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

dude

be nice to the new joiners

[sage crag]

welcom to #programming

[real sierra]

if they leave the server for that you're going with them

[sage crag]

we have chess tournament soon, if interested

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

helo

what is your fav language

[torpid kelp]

yey ty :D

[real sierra]

for coding

[torpid kelp]

well, i enjoy any really, but i am developer for a wiki site, so i currently use alot of javascript, html, and css , but also alot of wikitext(a fusion language primarily for wiki development (think of fandom, and wiki.gg))
i am planning on learning more java, and maybe python as well :)

[real sierra]

if you want a fun way to learn, there is a for-fun contest coming up

[torpid kelp]

oh fr?

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

1024 token limit:

[real sierra]

a chess bot programming contest

[torpid kelp]

that would be a disaster as i don't know how to play chess
that souds hilarious i'll check it out

[real sierra]

no worries! there's a provided API that does know how to play chess

you just have to do the strategy part of it

but even then, don't mistake chess skill for programming skill I already lose to my own bot

and my bot is really bad at chess so that says a lot

[sage crag]

if you can beat your bot you cry because your bot is bad

[torpid kelp]

theres a chance for me to actually win now

[sage crag]

if you lose to your bot you cry because you are bad

[fast pagoda]

im garbage and barely know how to play and im definitely finna pull up with confidence

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

basically nobody in this contest knows how to make a chess bot

the bar is not to beat stockfish or even a human

you just have to beat everyone else who are equally clueless

[torpid kelp]

bouta get cooked by a 3 iq bot that barely works

[fast pagoda]

generally first time making a chess playing thing and have harsh constraints too

[real sierra]

contest isn't officially started yet but there will be a ping for programmers and events roles when it does

[fast pagoda]

so a lot of it is just trying to find ways to cook the compiler over the bbq until it produces a working bot that is slightly stronger than what a 1024 token length single bot might otherwise be

[torpid kelp]

i think so yea

[fast pagoda]

just make sure you come in and ask shiro where api

every 3 hours