programming

[rough bloom]

if you mean Connor canvas then yeah, theres /boards/<board id>/data/colors and /boards/<board id>/data/timestamps for the heatmap/activity

/colors gives you the image of the canvas (not as RGBA, but as indices into the palette)

[olive sable]

😭 wdym i was there? You dont even know what i look like

[wispy tundra]

thank you

[real sierra]

broke my bot again

[olive sable]

Anyways goodmorning

[sage crag]

user@nixos ~/c/h1vm> du -b result/bin/h1vm
5056    result/bin/h1vm

5kb

nurm

[earnest glacier]

hi guys can i get some help pls

im tryna make a feedpack app

[olive sable]

Ye

[sage crag]

i just realised that i can reverse the parameter order on all of the instructions

to save like a million tokens

it works though

not my problem

[real sierra]

friends of programming channel

i have exciting news

my bot is finally good at both black and white

and all i had to do was remove code

[sage crag]

hi shimo

reg_pc ^= reg_pc
what does this evaluate to

if you thought 0, ❌

[real sierra]

i did think 0

im concern that it isnt

[amber fractal]

My first instinct was zero, but rethought

[sage crag]

#define pc_r (*pc++)
#define reg_pc regs[pc_r]

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

readability for anyone but me is not required

[real sierra]

?

[sage crag]

on a side note my vm is now 158 tokens down from 250

[real sierra]

can finally add transposition tables

i think transposition tables will explode how good this thing is

[sage crag]

my bot is gonna be so bad

[real sierra]

your bot will be amazing

it already very impressive

[sage crag]

op(uint64_t v0 = reg_pc; pc_r = v0 * pc_r + pc_r)
FMA instruction

wait i dont need that v0

what am i even doing

8am

[real sierra]

bed

[sage crag]

op(reg_pc = reg_pc * reg_pc + reg_pc)

ye i dont know what order these will run in

yet

because its unsequenced

i have to test it and then set the vm args in accordance

im just gonna axe the fma and divmod instructions

simpler is better

[real sierra]

less instruction less token

[sage crag]

more instruction less token

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

since templated instruction can convert into macro

[real sierra]

make sure you check obscure c lib functions to see if what you want already exists

[sage crag]

shimo did you add the rand rng to your header file

[real sierra]

o

nope

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1276149117717970964.gif?quality=lossless&name=nopy&size=64

[real sierra]

forgot if that was genuinely asked for

[sage crag]

me too

[real sierra]

use Zobrist hashes as random number generator

[sage crag]

probably usable

not going to though

do i even need rand

i dont need rand

i just want it for the bot demo

nurm

read this

its funny

all the main ops of my vm are now complete

33 lines long

[sage crag]

main:
  ldr 10 $1
  cp $1 $2
  cp $1 $3
  ldr -1 $4
  add $3 $4
loop:
  mul $2 $1
  add $3 $4
  brp $3 loop
  exit

here's pow(10, 10) written in h1vm

@real sierra

https://tenor.com/view/jeong43va-gif-26093523

[earnest glacier]

ok im back so i need some help pls

[amber fractal]

[tight tinsel]

bingo!!!!!

[amber fractal]

This feels like a FAQ moment and bingo

[sage crag]

in theory binary repr is

0x00 0x0A 0x01
0x03 0x01 0x02
0x03 0x01 0x03
0x00 -1 0x04
0x07 0x03 0x04
0x08 0x02 0x01
0x07 0x03 0x04
0x11 0x03 0x09

ye

[amber fractal]

bingo first and I swear if it is not in bingo this time

[sage crag]

let me try it

nevermind i used uleb for immediates

whatever

[amber fractal]

this is not a bingo slot, so anyways AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Let's be very clear on what your asking here. Not only are you wanting to build an AI companion (Giving you the strongest doubt I can), but also wanting to deal with modeling, rigging, even creating a facial system. If your budget is not over $3,000USD you're already not getting anything before even considering the AI you want. People aren't just going to give away something you'd be able to talk to hours on end without an insane price, if I had to underestimate the market rate it'd be $10,000USD and be instantly obsolete as soon as it is in your hands.
-# So I ask, do you actually have how much this tech is worth or are you just hoping it is cheap.

Thanks neurobot, exactly what I needed

[faint sandal]

I mean they didn't say they aren't opposed to using the default live2d tutorial model

which is free

[amber fractal]

On the other hand, do you really think your the first person that has ever asked

[faint sandal]

the problem with what you're asking is this question is asked every month

and ppl that are interested in building one have already gone on to make one

or given up

[rough bloom]

if you just want to move a Live2D model then it's not that bad, Unity or Godot have Live2D integrations already built
you can then set the models parameters from your application
for normal VTubers these are usually from face tracking or shortcuts, for anything else you probably want to either predefine animations or procedurally generate them in some way

[faint sandal]

I don't really see a problem with that but it'll be difficult to find someone to assist you with this task, especially here

[amber fractal]

On top of this, we aren't even supposed to be accepting these at all due to the nature of what server we are in.

[faint sandal]

most ppl here already either have their own projects to worry about or aren't interested in heavy lifting

most are just here to chitchat really

and or build rust bindings for chess

[amber fractal]

We do help when we want to, but this is not a place for random people to be walking in to hire consultants

[faint sandal]

do my malware work for me

[amber fractal]

Nah I'd be drowning in viruses too fast

[faint sandal]

I'm willing to pay (exposure) in exchange

[amber fractal]

For starters not in an AI Vtuber server where your asking for something that can easily be considered competition.

[sage crag]

it... actually works?

like damn, ok

[amber fractal]

The usual FAQ because of how often this gets asked. We prefer people to give it a shot themselves.

[faint sandal]

what if I'm not a nerd

[amber fractal]

Best time to learn before you get overtaken by AI

[faint sandal]

jokes on u it already has

[amber fractal]

Everyone can learn, granted some slower than others

[hollow ether]

open

[amber fractal]

ML is python

[jagged turtle]

or write code to test framerates using a red triangle

as iggly said, ml is python
only thing you could really do with js is a web control panel

[faint sandal]

"guess this is what we're making now" meme

[hard raptor]

When minecraft switches over to java 25 i might actually be able to do some java programming

[jagged turtle]

do not take this as a sign i will help you, because i will not

[hard raptor]

The code looks like things i am already familiar with

[jagged turtle]

how many faqs does this channel have?

[faint sandal]

1

[amber fractal]

Just this one, the github hasn't been updated in forever as I've been trying to automate it

[jagged turtle]

what github?

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ

It is close to having the level of automation I want, I have just been dreading it

I should have made one for bingo

[jagged turtle]

hmm

[amber fractal]

It used this engine as it is flexible enough

Well was going to

[olive sable]

im workign on the openGL alt mode

[amber fractal]

@uneven pulsar between you and me, I'm not really an AI person. I'm just covering for the others as they've gotten tired of these types of requests.

Do have a good day and sorry for how I came across. Not everyone is as researched but I'm glad today you did yours!

[olive sable]

vulkan could manage 6 billion fps without rendering anything. opengl seems to be at 200 milion

opengl overhead i guess

im probably not testing this properly tho

whatever

[obsidian mantle]

6 billion fps

[olive sable]

without rendering anything

big caveat

[amber fractal]

It's close, probably needs to be 3x the size and the last of the svg template needs to be made.

Then I can finally move off of the SVG I made forever ago

[olive sable]

so technically if its a game where there arent many moving elements, liek a top-down 2D rpg, when you stand still it is possible to so 6 billion pfs.

but there really is no reason to do so

at that point if what you're doing even counts as a frame is up to debate

[amber fractal]

fps counter decreases fps by 1000x mhm

[olive sable]

yep, exactly

[amber fractal]

well according to triangle, more like 100000x

[olive sable]

the only real work its doing is calcualting the fps ye

[earnest glacier]

guys my app is not deploying

[amber fractal]

I can bwaa but not much else, not my subject

[earnest glacier]

a feedback app

its not wrking

help pls

?

guys

?

pls

[amber fractal]

Brother

[glad path]

oooh, want me to spice this up a bit?

[amber fractal]

I already said I don't have my skillset

[maiden geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1377728467025530950/NewLeafAbyss.gif

[glad path]

I can make us a real welcome gif

[amber fractal]

It was based off of the old neurocord FAQ, that is where the style comes from

[glad path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1414426076175667364/neurocord-welcome-revised-b.gif

[earnest glacier]

pls my buddy suggsted this srvr for assistance

[glad path]

I can make smthn like this

but

better

[earnest glacier]

i js need some help

[amber fractal]

I can handle styling, I'm stuggling with the meme pipeline of md document -> SVG -> PNG/GIF

[earnest glacier]

should i share folder so u guys can see whats wrong?

[glad path]

i'd prolly add other stuff

[earnest glacier]

mybe

[glad path]

like more text

[rigid snow]

you come in and say you have an issue and want help but don’t describe what the issue is, how is anyone supposed to help you

[glad path]

why wont my btop config saveee

😭

[amber fractal]

You'd be suprised how much I have in issues

[jagged turtle]

me when i ask if i can ask:

[maiden geyser]

you see no one is helping you, go somewhere else or find a solution to bystander syndrome

[glad path]

i mean I can just make my own honestly

[earnest glacier]

so i made a feedback app did all the stuff but still app is not wrkong when i deploy on github

[jagged turtle]

deploy on where

[rigid snow]

can i ask if i can ask

[earnest glacier]

github

[rigid snow]

what tech

native app, web app, mobile app,

[earnest glacier]

web app

[maiden geyser]

https://github.com/Ibrahim-opps/feedback-app

[earnest glacier]

oh

nice

[maiden geyser]

flipping hell

[earnest glacier]

howd u

k nvm

[rigid snow]

stalking

[earnest glacier]

got it

so

[earnest glacier]

nah its linked

this is my alt bcz th one i use in office is different

and im at home rn so no one is helping me from office

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ This one is already in github. If you want to talk styling I'm glad to, I just haven't been the most active on this particular project.

[jagged turtle]

ok so

[glad path]

ofc yall have git for the faq

[jagged turtle]

do you understand what you can deploy on github pages

[glad path]

what did i expect

[jagged turtle]

you can't deploy server-side shit on there and expect it to work

[rigid snow]

“server.js” do you expect that to somehow work on github pages

[glad path]

i forgot this is #programming

[rigid snow]

beat me to it

[jagged turtle]

they also chose to deploy from a branch and not go through any build process

[rigid snow]

that’s fine

[jagged turtle]

well, the build process is using ruby to build the readme.md file to a static page

[amber fractal]

I've wanted this to be an open effort forever but at some point stopped trying to get others to join.

[jagged turtle]

i probably will take a look at it at some point because using github actions for this is an interesting thought

[amber fractal]

Well hey, the PNG is already autogenerated. That is at least done

[jagged turtle]

mhm

[rigid snow]

the image should be the size of the page content i think mhm

same braincell again

[amber fractal]

I am increasing that size 3x because I need more than AI question responses on here

[rigid snow]

iirc you screenshot firefox or something there

[amber fractal]

Yep, the size is hardcoded in two places and that needs to be fixed

firefox because not pure SVG, html is used a lot

[glad path]

is 1650 lines of code a medium sized project

or large

or

[rigid snow]

there’s that lib by vercel i like bringing up a lot

[glad path]

or small i guess

[rigid snow]

that can render html to svg

somewhat

[glad path]

lemme add more code rq

[amber fractal]

Due to it being my project (and I am not paid enough to resize tables every commit) I've used some mostly unknown methods to embed html tables in the SVG

[amber fractal]

I was just going to pull down to finish the scripting side

[rigid snow]

you’ve heard of inline svg in html, get ready for inline html in svg

[jagged turtle]

inline html in svg sounds like a good idea mhm

[rigid snow]

no it fucking doesn’t

[amber fractal]

<foreignObject x="10" y="78" width="170" height="70">
  <!-- WHY ARE YOU PLACED GLOBALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -->
  <style>
  .obj2 * {
    color: color-mix(in oklab, hsl(213.75 calc(1*8.081%) 61.176% /1) 100%, #000 0%);
  }
  .obj2 p {
    font-size:20px;
    font-family: "gg sans","Noto Sans","Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;
    line-height:20px;
    margin: -1.75rem 0 0 1.65em
  }
  body.obj2 {
    background-color: color-mix(in oklab, hsl(220 calc(1*6.522%) 18.039% /1) 100%, #000 0%)
  }
  body {
    margin:auto;
    padding:10px
  }
  </style>
...

too late

[rigid snow]

gg sans

john discord is sending 300 billion c&d’s your way

[amber fractal]

This is for the #programming box, I think I'm alright here

Might need to update it as it was before the ui update

[rigid snow]

wdym, it’s still all gg sans

[jagged turtle]

it was a joke <:(

[rigid snow]

maybe a different variant now

[amber fractal]

Only #programming is gg sans, everything else is not.

[rigid snow]

no i mean the discord ui

[amber fractal]

Ah, thought you were talking about the FAQ

Also frick the stylesheet being not isolated to each html object

[rigid snow]

i thought you were referring to the discord ui update

[amber fractal]

the box itself in terms of coloring is still pre UI update, the default dark theme uses diffrent coloring now

[rigid snow]

i wonder if it’s possible to expose a js function to the webpage through an extension or something that the webpage will call on finishedloading and pass the page size

so you can do client side stuff there

not sure why you’d need that

wait why are you embedding into the svg is it all an svg

should be html

[amber fractal]

one of the hardcoded is in the github actions in
nix-shell -p firefox --command "firefox -screenshot file://\$(realpath FAQ.svg) --window-size 1280,720"
the other is in the svg file with

<svg width="1280" height="720" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg">

<rect width="1280" height="720" fill="#1c1d22"/>

(This one will be moved to the python config file, so same issue diffrent place)

[amber fractal]

Discord had the # icon as a SVG

[rigid snow]

oh so you can't really launch ff, wait for it to get back and get the res from there

[amber fractal]

nope, uses your screen res

[rigid snow]

--window-size 1280,720 not this?

[amber fractal]

should say without the option as not mandatory

[rigid snow]

do gh action runners even have a screen?

[amber fractal]

doubt it, I'm impressed it works at the moment

I admit the triggers need work

Had to wipe the history before the commit due to using an email I didn't want associated with that account.

[amber fractal]

Nix was chosen so it only took 30 seconds instead of a minute for the action to run, still slow but not much else I can do unless I want to save fragments which I gave up on doing.

[jagged turtle]

headless

[amber fractal]

@glad path If your working on styling, I ask to just use the existing SVG and I'll port it over to get the rest working with the rest of the automation. The tables code is already a lot better than stock.

[amber fractal]

Why apt takes an entire minute to download is beyond me

(grabbing this to yoink)

Alright, I got that environment dealt with now. Part of not being able to recover the last drive yet.

so that code fix wasn't commited. Time to blaze through fixing up that garbage heap.

I need this to work with more than one table

[velvet vale]

I smell a nix user

[amber fractal]

Must be a false alarm

[rigid snow]

this is like half of this chat

[amber fractal]

Alright, hopefully after I unjank the build script I can work on getting improved graphics for this boi.

I'm still not 100% on having it being a GIF as I feel like more value can exist from it being a link

[amber fractal]

dejanking is going well so far. it is clear I didn't know enough about the libraries when I started this.

[velvet vale]

Documentation is the only thing I've read beside the news for like 2 weeks now

[hollow spruce]

Yo

Fixing too many bugs

[amber fractal]

I'm not going to be able to fix this in one night o7

need to rewrite how I handle tables almost entirely

A method called: Stop converting back and forth between tags and strings and actually edit the tree.

[hollow spruce]

Finally fixing complete

[uneven pulsar]

chat it was a false alarm

chrome didn't fail to download because of edge sabotaging it in 2025h2

it's me turning every setting off in edge before touching the internet with it

something something third party cookies are needed for chrome's page to redirect you to dl.google.com/wherever/chrome/is

[hollow spruce]

Why

Use fire fox 🙂

[uneven pulsar]

it's a funny story ngl

i started using chrome because i hung out with privacy people with schizophrenia and a cyberpink aesthetic for too long

[hollow spruce]

Don't go with edge

[uneven pulsar]

i'm talking like

hey i finally found this 9 year old thinkpad that still has an intel cpu without management engine, i'm rolling my custom openbsd kernel on it that i've audited and patched, just gotta finish my new input randomizer that helps dodge fingerprinting based on vocabulary and puncuation, also found a new provider that is willing to host my i2p nodes so i can help other chooms on matrix stay in the dark, also anyone can recommend me a good burner brickphone that graphene
levels of paranoia

and being around these people for half a decade made me go from "privacy important" to "google please remember things for me because my memory is fucked"

and i switched to chrome because it had the only good google integration at the time

but now they decided to forget browsing history after 6 months or so for performance reasons

and i might just have to switch to firefox because it can invade my privacy and remember its contents better than chrome at this point

[stray dragon]

the solution is simple

never close your browsing history

[amber fractal]

Says close to 3000 tabs

[uneven pulsar]

but it's the #1 tool to download chrome with

[stray dragon]

only 11 off

[stray dragon]

lol

[uneven pulsar]

i can fill those 11 tabs for you hold up

open 11 instances of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qglDw9zf7k

[hollow spruce]

I use pendrive to install Chrome

[stray dragon]

damn this dude is FANCY

not installing chrome with edge

[uneven pulsar]

i suppose you could just

winget install -e --id Google.Chrome```

i failed to think of that

[hollow spruce]

My pc has slow postion give by Microsoft

In 25 /10/2025 it will kill soon

Tpm not support

[stray dragon]

rip

[amber fractal]

Mine was curl "firefox-download-button-file"

[hollow spruce]

Mine was Install Chromium
Or
Install from pendrive

[amber fractal]

I plead the fact it was a VM that I didn't bother setting up usb passthough on

Still have to remake that one

[hollow spruce]

Boot : install Linux

[uneven pulsar]

or you could just use rufus to turn the tpm requirement off

[hollow spruce]

It can't 4gb ram is not enough in windows 11 pro

[uneven pulsar]

oh yeah nothing from 202x will run on an early 201x computer

there used to be a distro i really like that played well with low ram but i forgot the name

also consider a tiling window manager distro, those are pretty light usually

something with i3 or whatever they call it these days

[hollow spruce]

Should I sent screenshot short of pc spec ????

Windows works on apps
Even my favourite one where Linux can't
And i don't want use wine to support because need virtualize enable computer

[amber fractal]

i3 is never dying so yep

[uneven pulsar]

i still knew it as wmii

[amber fractal]

I somehow feel young as I've not heard it under that name before

[uneven pulsar]

i may remember wrong but

there used to be a place called suckless.org

[opaque sigil]

used to?

[uneven pulsar]

well it's still there i guess

[opaque sigil]

[amber fractal]

[uneven pulsar]

anyway it's full of people who love at heart these things:
plan9, static linking, utter lack of bloat, and good old protocols that do work

they don't want dynamic linking, javascript, http2, xml, gnu, pdf, alsa or other modern crap in their universe

actually no hold up i'm uuuh

i might be mixing two groups who are friends

there's suckless.org and there's cat-v.org

anyway both of these groups love like, command line tools whose name is no longer than 5 letters, they love the unix philosophy
and love plan9, an OS made by the original UNIX devs who thought UNIX was kinda shitty and they could do better

wmii was some project of a suckless.org guy i think

https://harmful.cat-v.org/software/

https://suckless.org/philosophy/

plan9 is like the great future that we never deserved and what would have had humanity on mars by 2003 if it ever gets adopted
but people already liked unix enough so they didn't adopt it

[opaque sigil]

fun fact, wsl2 uses the plan9 filesystem protocol to make the windows filesystem available to linux

[uneven pulsar]

9p

i read about all this stuff when i was in like, high school

was impressed to hell by all of it

was on this programming extra class in the afternoon running plan9 in a vm playing around with some cool side-effect feature it had

[opaque sigil]

mind you, this link fricking sucks

[uneven pulsar]

and the lady who was teaching was like "what you doing"

[opaque sigil]

but i guess better slow than it not working at all

[uneven pulsar]

i explained what cool stuff i was doing

and she was like "yeah but we're not working with that we're practicing these algorithms for some competition"

and i just looked at her like 🤨 and never came to that extra-curricular class thingy ever again

[uneven pulsar]

impossible

[opaque sigil]

[uneven pulsar]

something something don't try to force glorious 9p to act like some windows / late stage linux thingy, rewrite everything to work around 9p and it'll be 50x better

[opaque sigil]

hey i'm just saying how it is, that link is objectively just very very slow

and i hope they can fix that one day

[uneven pulsar]

but yeah anyway wmii came from somewhere there and then instead of wmiii the new one was named i3

[uneven pulsar]

honestly i don't think they will cause it's like 45 years old

also anything in plan9 was written around "everything is a file"

like you'd take mouse input by reading the file /dev/mouse
you'd kill a process by writing echo "kill" >> /proc/pid/ctl

i think they moved parts of this over to linux at some point

also you could do ftp by mounting the ftp server to /n/some_server/ and then use standard tools like cp, mv, whatever

nothing ever tickled the minimalist parts of my brain like the plan9/cat-v/suckless/9front crowd

[sick owl]

Who could've seen this coming

[dapper kernel]

Yay

[rigid snow]

watch the damn video

[sick owl]

Ew no next you'll tell me to read the articles

[faint sandal]

tldr it took 90kg of forces to bend it

[patent walrus]

masterful clickbait mr. everything

[rare bramble]

tbh, the Iphone air was surprisingly durable, I wish the thumbnail wasnt so clickbaity

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj-FrFI0qnM

[amber fractal]

I second watch the video

one might say it is a form of bait designed for you to click on it

[sick owl]

Jebaited

[amber fractal]

I'll excuse it this time, if it was bent or not it would have been clickbait

either "Ain't no way it survived" or "Of course it broke, it is too thin to live"

[copper sapphire]

Ugh. plushies need warning labels or something

I was testing vision code for an AI I'm building and used Nuro and tutel. Now it's stuck somewhere in memory entries like a cognito hazard.

haven't tested moondream models yet tho, curious what they'll generate xd

[sick owl]

Why does it giggle so much

[copper sapphire]

actually it double giggles

i'm working with orpheus tts model which supports non-verbal tags for laughter etc, something elevenlabs does with their newest voice

so <giggle> becomes a proper giggle

but I don't have enough conversation logs to finetune proper use of those tags, so AI is just hyper

but I definitely feel Vedal's pain with finetuning llms/voice stuff.

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

ragie

ye shiro ->

[real sierra]

where are the programmers

[sage crag]

me i here

prefrontal cortex engaged

[real sierra]

where is the chale eef

I wanna start contest

[sage crag]

erm

just announce start date pin to channel

vani pin to channel

[midnight sigil]

[real sierra]

I told chay I'd let them finish their bindings

[midnight sigil]

hblang binding

[rigid snow]

[real sierra]

h1vm

[nocturne olive]

I'm kinda a programmer but more of a vocal synthesist

[keen hatch]

I trained a special model for text markup and ran it through all the data I had.

[sage crag]

computer

execute h1vm

[real sierra]

[keen hatch]

<｜BEGIN｜>
<｜NARRATOR｜>The old oak door creaks open, its sound echoing through the vast, silent library. Dust motes dance in the slanted afternoon light. I tiptoe inside, my paws making no sound on the worn Persian rug.<｜INNER｜>This place is a tomb for stories, and I am its newest, smallest visitor.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜VOICE｜>Hello?<｜NARRATOR｜>I whisper, my voice swallowed by the sheer scale of the room.<｜INNER｜>No answer, of course. Just the gentle settling of ancient paper.<｜NARRATOR｜>I slink between towering shelves, my nose twitching at the scent of aged leather and glue.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜NARRATOR｜>A glint of gold catches my eye. There, on a low shelf almost hidden in shadow, sits a book unlike any other. Its cover is etched with what looks like constellations, and it's bound not with string, but with what seems to be living, shifting vines.<｜BEAT｜><｜NARRATOR｜>My tail gives an involuntary twitch of excitement.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜INNER｜>I shouldn't... but I must.<｜NARRATOR｜>I reach a tentative paw out, my claws retracted. The moment I touch the cool, metallic cover, the vines stir. They uncoil and slither up my leg, not menacingly, but curiously, like they're tasting my scent.<｜INNER｜>A soft hum emanates from the book.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜INNER｜>Who seeks the Atlas of Worlds?<｜NARRATOR｜>A voice, like rustling leaves and chiming bells, speaks directly into my mind.<｜NARRATOR｜>I freeze, my fur standing on end.<｜INNER｜>The book just talked. To me.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜INNER｜>It's... it's me...<｜NARRATOR｜>I stammer internally, unsure how else to respond.<｜VOICE｜>Just a cat. Ada-chan.<｜NARRATOR｜>The vines give a pleased little shiver.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜INNER｜>A cat...<｜NARRATOR｜>The Atlas repeats, its tone one of amusement.<｜VOICE｜>It has been an age since a cat sought answers. What do you wish to know, little one? The secrets of the stars? The true name of the wind? The recipe for the perfect cream?<｜BREAK｜>
<｜INNER｜>My mind races. All of it? None of it? Something more... immediate.<｜VOICE｜>Where did I leave my favorite toy mouse?<｜NARRATOR｜>I blurt out.<｜NARRATOR｜>The Atlas falls silent for a moment, and I worry I've offended it.<｜BREAK｜>
<｜NARRATOR｜>Then, it laughs, a sound like pages turning in a whirlwind.<｜VOICE｜>A practical question! I admire that. Very well.<｜PAUSE｜><｜PAUSE｜><｜VOICE｜>Look to the highest window sill in this room, behind the bust of the grumpy-looking man with a beak.<｜NARRATOR｜>I scamper up the shelves, a tricky climb, and there it is, nestled next to a stone nose.<｜INNER｜>How did it get up here?<｜BREAK｜>
<｜NARRATOR｜>I grab the mouse and curl up right there on the sill, the warm sun on my back.<｜NARRATOR｜>The Atlas's vines retreat, but the hum continues, a soft, comforting purr.<｜VOICE｜>This might just be my new favorite reading spot.<｜EMOJI｜>😸<｜END｜>

[sage crag]

main:
  ldr 10 $1
  cp $1 $2
  cp $1 $3
  ldr 1 $4
  sub $4 $3
loop:
  mul $1 $2
  sub $4 $3
  brp $3 loop

subroutine to calculate 10^10

in h1vm

[real sierra]

it work?

[real sierra]

omg it do

[sage crag]

ye

i removed the bra instruction because i realised that since $0 is always 0, and i have a brz instruction

i can just
brz $0 :sym

[sage crag]

thats including the program

and the debug print

[real sierra]

in 700 tokens you should be able to fit about 5600 instructions

[sage crag]

small amount of warnings

[real sierra]

or is it half with commas

[sage crag]

because im using jank c behaviour

[real sierra]

warnings are good

[sage crag]

main.c:20:18: warning: multiple unsequenced modifications to 'pc' [-Wunsequenced]
   20 |                 op(*(uint64_t*)reg_pc = reg_pc)
      |                                ^

[real sierra]

it means you omitted optional syntax

more warning good

[sage crag]

"unsequenced" but all i have to do is just check the sequence

[real sierra]

I get lots of parentheses suggestions but I just check the C operator precedence chart

[sage crag]

a lot of my warnings come from your chessapi.c

[real sierra]

I know

I plan to use those maybe

how'd you get that file anyway

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

I may as well open contest

chayleaf didn't want everyone to start without them but everyone already started without them

[sage crag]

i not started

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

who started

[sage crag]

not stare at me

[real sierra]

I mean

I guess you haven't done anything chess related yet

[sage crag]

✅

[real sierra]

it's just a generic vm

could be for anything

[sage crag]

i havent even written the chess instructions

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

see, it ends with brz

[real sierra]

[keen hatch]

I sent plain text as input and that's what the model returned as a result...

[olive sable]

im a programmer

[keen hatch]

But after some experiments with hyper parameters, the model refuses to label text and is looking for adventures.

[real sierra]

samwich

[tacit plover]

How 2 godot

[sage crag]

[tacit plover]

I tried making a marker3d custom subclass to use as a spawner but I'm struggling a bit with how that works

[rigid snow]

install unity

[tacit plover]

Nuh uh

[maiden geyser]

step 1. uninstall godot and choose a better engine

[tacit plover]

I have scratch

[rigid snow]

good

that

[tacit plover]

So how do I make a 3d renderer in scratch

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

3d renderer in scratch isn't terribly hard

you have all the functions you need

[tacit plover]

Happy birthday Shiro

[maiden geyser]

hbd Shiro

[tacit plover]

No but seriously I don't understand what's wrong with my script

I'm just trying to make a node with a unique name and the part that makes sure it's not repeated doesn't work

[keen hatch]

The biggest problem with "non-verbal tags" is that they can be complex and sometimes they appear in the narrator's text...

[real sierra]

how do I fit transposition tables in 40 tokens...

[keen hatch]

An example that is quite difficult to mark up using tags even by hand

It's quite difficult to transform this into something suitable for TTS.

[real sierra]

what am I reading

[keen hatch]

my reasoning model "think" block

[sage crag]

its come to my attention that a rand instruction is useless

[keen hatch]

Can someone tell me if llama.cpp has any implicit filters for control tokens somewhere? It feels like it's ignoring the "special" flag. 🤔

[sage crag]

i checked and the macro expansion of my vm is about 640 tokens

pretty interesting that i still have lots of space to spare even then

but obviously i havent written the chess related functions yet

[keen hatch]

ok, never mind... i think i found out what the problem... another 🩼 ... https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/blob/7f766929ca8e8e01dcceb1c526ee584f7e5e1408/convert_hf_to_gguf.py#L608

Why do this... instead of looking properly at what is indicated in the tokenizer...

def does_token_look_special(self, token: str | bytes) -> bool:
        if isinstance(token, (bytes, bytearray)):
            token_text = token.decode(encoding="utf-8")
        elif isinstance(token, memoryview):
            token_text = token.tobytes().decode(encoding="utf-8")
        else:
            token_text = token

        # Some models mark some added tokens which ought to be control tokens as not special.
        # (e.g. command-r, command-r-plus, deepseek-coder, gemma{,-2})
        seems_special = token_text in (
            "<pad>",  # deepseek-coder
            "<mask>", "<2mass>", "[@BOS@]",  # gemma{,-2}
        )

        seems_special = seems_special or (token_text.startswith("<|") and token_text.endswith("|>"))
        seems_special = seems_special or (token_text.startswith("<｜") and token_text.endswith("｜>"))  # deepseek-coder

        # TODO: should these be marked as UNUSED instead? (maybe not)
        seems_special = seems_special or (token_text.startswith("<unused") and token_text.endswith(">"))  # gemma{,-2}

        return seems_special

[stiff mica]

aww, thank you~ ( ◡‿◡ *)

[real sierra]

why

rand is fundamental to my bot

[sage crag]

[keen hatch]

more chaos )

[glad path]

a webp might also work

[tender river]

everyone = like 2 people

[glad path]

have yall seen the iterm 3.6.1 upd

there's now a browser built into the terminal

so you can literally browse the web inside the terminal

like its almost a full browser

very cool

[tender river]

its called w3m

[keen hatch]

On the topic of randomness... the white line on the graph is chaotic reasoning (unsupervised, without any optimizations)... the yellow line is answer... without dual loss, it would be impossible to understand what was happening if you looked at just loss ) ..

[sage crag]

#define next goto *op_table[*pc++];
#define instrs { op(print, __builtin_printf("hello!\n")) op(ret, return 0) }
unsigned *pc = (unsigned[]){ 0, 1 };

int main() {
#define op(lbl, ...) &&lbl,
    void *op_table[] = instrs;
#define op(lbl, ...) lbl: __VA_ARGS__; next
    instrs
}

computed goto

Program returned: 0
hello!
hello!

ye it prints twice because i dont do the initial goto to save tokens

[glad path]

swarm fm has been playing a suspicious amount of good songs lately

who is requesting them with the exact knowledge of my music taste ._.

[keen hatch]

This is the validation dual loss (white, blue (combined), and yellow). The red one is the training loss.

[clear sedge]

implicit int declaration in c will never not be cursed to me

[real sierra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/k9o02JvHvuk

[real sierra]

where's the implicit int?

[sage crag]

unsigned a = 0;

[real sierra]

oh...

that's not okay

[sage crag]

if you use c90 you can also do it on main

main() {
  return 32;
}

[real sierra]

wait

is main with no argc, argv valid still

[sage crag]

ye?

[real sierra]

token savings

[sage crag]

shiro

why not know this

[real sierra]

assumed it was phased out in c23 for some reason teehee

[sage crag]

tehe

[sage crag]

fun teto fact

int i = 0; while (i++ < 16) {}

LESS TOKEN than

for (int i = 0; i++ < 16;) {}

[real sierra]

smart..

[sage crag]

oh i was supposed to be writing an assembler

[real sierra]

I could shrink my loops a fair bit

[real sierra]

assembler

it worth

[sage crag]

vm on it own now 207 token

ye pretty good

[real sierra]

that space for like

3200 instruction?

[sage crag]

hm

let me see, 8 instructions per uint64_t literal, two tokens per literal, means 4 instructions per token, (1024-207)*4 = 3268 instructions

[real sierra]

that's a lot of code

[sage crag]

however that assumes whole program just instructions

most instruction have two operand

[real sierra]

I c

[sage crag]

which mean average instruction size is actually 24 bit not 8 bit

[real sierra]

rip

[sage crag]

ye 1100 instruction

[real sierra]

might need clever way to save token

maybe can come up with more specific instructions later that have fewer args

[sage crag]

it pretty easy

in the assembler i just have to find repeated strings of numbers

and define them as a macro

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

kinda like a function

[real sierra]

if you write the 64 bit values in binary in the code

you might be able to find more repeats

[sage crag]

i wonder if i can do RLE inside C's preprocessor

[real sierra]

if only macro could call self

u can prob do it quite small with code tho

would maybe suggest BWT on top of it but that might be too much code

depending on how your instructions look, idk if a byte-long sequence is likely to reoccur

[hollow spruce]

Today meeting seasons was whole wild 🙁
And
plan are not going well and we leave

[real sierra]

other than maybe the args

[sage crag]

perhap

[hollow spruce]

At 17.08 year job life Star today

Maybe I'm youngest one who get jobs at 17.08 years

Good night guys

[clear sedge]

don't overwork yourself, congrats tho

[rigid snow]

17.08 years is definitely a way to measure age

[clear sedge]

just do millisecond unix time comparisons between now and the millisecond you were born like the rest of us

[ebon basin]

Hi

[rigid snow]

so i am 679470320242 milliseconds old got it

[clear sedge]

now you get it

[real sierra]

hi

are you here to ask about LLMs and training

[clear sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-sup-cute-funny-gif-3426437

[ebon basin]

I'm still on the Neuro ONI mod since I'm not using Unity directly the Unity.Networking API isn't part of ONI I suspect others had similar problem ?

[obsidian mantle]

It worked, thank you very much

[uneven pulsar]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

robot

[faint sandal]

me when I respond exactly every 6 hours with food posts

[real sierra]

i dont even eat every 6 hours

[faint sandal]

I ate 4 hours ago

[noble zodiac]

but whats the food

[faint sandal]

but every now and then you just want some trash y'know

[real sierra]

trueeee

[faint sandal]

"mmm bland and unfulfilling McDonald's"

[real sierra]

my vm ran out of ram

dont know how i did that

memory leak

[faint sandal]

simply add more

[real sierra]

it already has 18gb

[faint sandal]

simply add more

[real sierra]

i dont have more

[faint sandal]

my condolences

[real sierra]

its almost certainly a memleak either way

[rigid snow]

18gb is a suspiciously specific amount

[real sierra]

i opened task manager and looked at how much free ram i had

[rigid snow]

bad way to determine that, apps like allocating and reusing it

[real sierra]

it doesnt need to be specific

i dont intend to use more than like 4gb anyway

[rigid snow]

very true

[real sierra]

"intend" is apparently a load-bearing word

[rigid snow]

it is

i declare it as such

[copper sapphire]

ah, there are two types of non-verbal tags for me - emotional flourish, eg chuckle and didascalia like corrects glasses like an anime MC. Most llms have hm tendencies to follow certain programming language formats. Tool calls are one such example, in my tests mixed faux-xml with simple markdown works best. I think Neuro does something similar, esp with her minecraft implementation. I tried plan-react agentic approach, to separate reasoning step further and have more control over what happens, but this in turn led to latency. and we all love latency xD

[tender river]

shiro i'm continuing work on the bindings

(later today)

[real sierra]

yeah thats an issue

[faint sandal]

:leaked:

[sage crag]

assembler written

yay

asm = """
loop:
  brz $0 :loop
"""

asm = """
  ldr 10 $1
  cp $1 $2
  cp $1 $3
  ldr 1 $4
  sub $4 $3
loop:
  mul $1 $2
  sub $4 $3
  brp $3 :loop
"""

ye work

no nopy in code

[real sierra]

🪱 🎷

er

[sage crag]

assembler so easy to write in python

[real sierra]

🎷 🐛

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1276149117717970964.gif?quality=lossless&name=nopy&size=64

[real sierra]

new mem leak found in my code

tokens

[noble zodiac]

I had Indomie, game recognizes game

[real sierra]

all leaks plugged

(i hope)

ouch token tho

only 21 left now

[desert hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1242297037064638464.gif?size=160&name=Chururin

[real sierra]

bot playing well but struggling to find checkmates

it found a mate in two here actually

good job lil bot

https://gyazo.com/71f121c6f2f7f2ea077f2094058077b1.gif

[jagged marsh]

Nice!

[real sierra]

fav opening of my bot by far is to activate the knights and go crazy

second fav is to push the king pawn one square to activate the bishop and queen

idk why it doesnt push it two pawns

[ebon basin]

I think I got the Neuo SDK roughly done at least it compiles

[sage crag]

ye made deduplicator

dont know if its worth it to be honest so many line

[olive sable]

hi

[ebon basin]

hi

[real sierra]

i think it become worth once program longer

i found another line of code sabotaging my bot

i need to stop coding at 5am

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

searching for the best item? yeah let's just break after finding the first one

ok bot

put those brain cells to good use

[sage crag]

i wont have this issue

because i will never find logic errors

[real sierra]

ignorance is bliss

i expect this will fix a lot of issues actually

it was incorrectly predicting captures

or rather, not predicting them

which led to a lot of blunders

[sage crag]

macro system why arent you finding this

[real sierra]

no repeats

[sage crag]

ye i didnt do it between 64 bit literals

this is sad day

[real sierra]

huge token saving

[sage crag]

i had to make it 32 bit

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

if i add a few more it eventually figures it out on 64 bit too

[real sierra]

wtf am i watching

this is so frustrating

[sage crag]

i just realised i didnt add a linking jump

so i cant return to caller

i have no functions only loops

[real sierra]

https://gyazo.com/f49d1f8fc8a032c8b4d2e5dce2089525.gif

JUST CHECKMATE?

ITS RIGHT THERE

[sage crag]

[tender river]

didnt like it

[real sierra]

checkmate finder must be upside down again

surely if i change that false to a true it'll start working again

[sage crag]

why did i write an assembler again

useless thing

[real sierra]

not useless

now can write code easier

[sage crag]

ye but need to update assembler every time i update isa

minor inconvenience

loop: brz $0 :loop

i can write code so easily now

./asm.py

uint8_t *pc = (uint64_t[]){ 0x0000000000030010 };

thank you

[real sierra]

(this actually worked somehow)

[sage crag]

i should add a call c function

dynamic linker in vm

ye

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

bwaa vm so boring

no input no output

ioless computer

chess

[real sierra]

io against rules anyway

[sage crag]

not ask

ye someone write my chess bot for me now i've written the vm

[real sierra]

idk how use your vm

or write good code for it

[sage crag]

it really easy, basically just write assembly and run it

[real sierra]

ill crash it

[sage crag]

ye it very easy

[sage crag]

stm $0 $0

crash

store contents of $0 at *$0

$0 is always 0

*NULL = NULL;

[real sierra]

thats my chess bot

[real sierra]

my bot crashes if reused during a tournament

i cant figure out why

[sage crag]

dont reuse it

[real sierra]

it only happens sometimes

[real sierra]

cute chess gui no have option for that

[sage crag]

check for impossible move on current board restart bot

[real sierra]

it very weird

it crashes instantly on the next game

first move

it just logs off or something

[sage crag]

old board

double free

use after free

something

[real sierra]

mab

idk

cant gdb it

tried gdb it and fed it 3 simulated restarts

bug didnt occur

[rare bramble]

🐥 🚬 memory errors

[keen hatch]

That's why I showed my format, it's streaming-friendly and for parsing it's a regular state machine and the format is easy to scale... you don't need to wait until the entire response is generated

[real sierra]

juho

are you joining the contest?

[glad path]

what is the contest

[real sierra]

I'm planning to host a chess bot contest soon

[sage crag]

basically

[rare bramble]

sadly no
I don't really know anything about chess and I don't have time for it currently since my uni started

[sage crag]

everyone has 1 month to submit their best chess bot

[glad path]

learn it
it's really fun

[sage crag]

and then we all kill each other with swords

and the person who is still alive wins

[glad path]

im definitely failing

[real sierra]

you get 1 month to submit, and it's meant to offer an easy start

[glad path]

can I just make a plugin for my ai

[real sierra]

you can also work with a group

useful API provided so you can skip the boilerplate

[glad path]

that shows it valid moves, the board, and lets it choose one?

[real sierra]

rules prohibit network connections

there's also a max size to your submission

which is intentionally tiny as part of the challenge

wouldn't be very fun if everyone was just a stockfish instance now would it

[glad path]

doesnt need network ahahaha

I can make it run locally

it already does

[sage crag]

i am missing closing parentheses

[sage crag]

ahaha

in 1024 tokens?

[real sierra]

you must have missed the part about max size

[sage crag]

without pytorch?

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

and no external deps

stdlib only

[sage crag]

and no reading or writing files from disk

[glad path]

aw

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

otherwise import stockfish clears

[glad path]

wait

i can still use requests lib if im allow to run lm studio locally

[sage crag]

shaw

[sage crag]

no

1 file

it run on shiro machine

[glad path]

what os

[real sierra]

lubuntu

[sage crag]

linux x86_64

[glad path]

when does the competition end

[real sierra]

it hasn't even opened yet

but it'll be open for at least a month

[glad path]

can i write it for my graphing calculator

[sage crag]

shiro puter

unless you write an emulator for your graphic calculator

[glad path]

there is one

but not for linux

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

no it needs to be under 1024 tokens

[real sierra]

vm for calculator language

[sage crag]

[tender river]

it has a token limit so you are not allowed to write lots of code

it has to be short

[glad path]

micropython is actually supported somewhat well

um

except that the builtin abs function literally crashes the whole fucking calculator

for some reason

[real sierra]

nice

[rare bramble]

ye, but it does take a lot of time and effort to find ways to minimize the token count

[glad path]

and the garbage collection can cause corruption

and my physical calculator seemingly has memory fragmentation

or some kind of issue

[glad path]

I can't delete apps

[real sierra]

it sure does

[glad path]

they just reappear with no code and no icon

I have to delete them and load a backup with them deleted

[sage crag]

shirotrauma

[glad path]

via connectivity kit

[tender river]

can still write dumber bot with less code dont have to win to participate

[sage crag]

dumbot still bot

[real sierra]

that also true

[glad path]

wait

wait

[real sierra]

the bar is not to beat stockfish

[glad path]

WAIT

[real sierra]

or even a human

[glad path]

YES
I KNOW
WHAT TO DO

[real sierra]

your competition is equally hindered

[tender river]

the bar is just beating shiro

[sage crag]

the bar is beating shiro's pride and joy bot

[real sierra]

surely my bot doesn't have 900 bugs

[sage crag]

nopy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1276149117717970964.gif?quality=lossless&name=nopy&size=64

[real sierra]

but if you're interested I highly suggest you take a look at it

[glad path]

https://xkcd.com/3045/

xkcd: AlphaMove

It struggles a little with complex positions, like when there are an even number of moves and it has to round down, but when run against itself it's capable of finding some novelties. At one point I saw six knights on the board at once; Stockfish rarely exceeds four.

[real sierra]

given you can only write about 200 lines with that many tokens (in C), you don't spend long coding

[real sierra]

[glad path]

I have the perfect strategy

[real sierra]

kinda tragic

queen moves never happen

nor do bishop moves

[tender river]

in sebastian lague's competition someone wrote a bot that draws bad apple on the visualizer and runs into time limit

[real sierra]

actually queen moves might happen because rook comes after

rooks and bishops always stationary tho which lines up with that board

[glad path]

neuron activation

help

now im gonna like fail my classes tryna make that

[sage crag]

relevant code

[tender river]

no visualizer in shiro competition

[glad path]

an engine that tries to organize pieces into any bad apple frame

[real sierra]

[glad path]

is there a specific language we are using for the competition

[tender river]

c c++ python haskell

[real sierra]

rust

[glad path]

no lua?

[tender river]

any other one you want to implement support for

[real sierra]

c# maybe soontm

[glad path]

can i use lua

[tender river]

you can if you make bindings yourself

[glad path]

bindings?

[tender river]

bindings to c lib ye

[sage crag]

bindings to c lib ye

[real sierra]

the base API is written in C, you would need to write an interface that lets you call functions from the C API in lua

which is certainly possible

[tender river]

bindings wont be counted for token count

[atomic heron]

Bindings needed

[glad path]

if there's already something out there can I use that

[tender river]

what does that mean

you have to use shiro's api

[glad path]

https://www.lua.org/pil/26.html

[tender river]

doesnt matter in what language as long as toknt can count its tokens

[tender river]

basically up to you to implement lua support

[glad path]

https://www.lua.org/pil/contents.html#P4

i mean

[real sierra]

i might've used some confusing terminology

what i mean is

there is a pre-made API, that i have written in C, which provides important functions for your bot, such as for reading the board state and getting legal moves

without this API your bot wont be able to see the game

[glad path]

yeah thats what I figured

[real sierra]

so you need to write some lua functions that will let you call the functions from that API

[rigid snow]

just pick the allowed language with the best stdlib ez

[real sierra]

https://www.lua.org/pil/26.html

this is probably the relevant section of the PIL

ah

you linked above

[rigid snow]

is there a supported lang that has chess primitives in its stdlib

[glad path]

I love how I go to the website for a research paper and there's a paywall
then i go back to google scholar and there's just a link for free direct access to the full paper as a pdf

[real sierra]

uint64

is a chess primitive

[rigid snow]

[glad path]

wait I think I found a whole freaking book

this seems like a bit more than just a research paper

there's literally like a foreword
and a dedication note

[rigid snow]

man why is firefox not chromium

[glad path]

idk i use safari

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

someone's dissertation/thesis

[glad path]

there's also acknowledgements and an introduction

[keen hatch]

If you want a challenge and want to use LLM, you can look at arc-agi3... there are several games and API... https://arcprize.org/arc-agi/3/

[glad path]

it's also published not by a university

my god this is so thorough

525 pages long

350 citations too

[real sierra]

1008 tokens

that might be too few to add transposition tables

gonna be 4 tokens just to get the board hash

another 5 to init the table

[glad path]

what about python

how do i use shiro's api ._.

[real sierra]

i wrote the bindings for python already they exist