programming

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

good additions

quiescence search is important

[sage crag]

btw

less time than it took me

[real sierra]

piece square tables are a cheap addition to improve eval

[silent cloak]

"make it better"

[real sierra]

transposition table is what i wanna add

[silent cloak]

"make it more good"

[real sierra]

move ordering is very simple idk why that's fourth

[sage crag]

ye make it stronger

[real sierra]

time management is meh

[sick owl]

I will say I have worked with junior programmers worse than gpt5 high

[silent cloak]

"grok, make it fall in love with me"

[sage crag]

[sick owl]

However, they probably cost less lule

[rigid snow]

what i mean is at a workplace it's a practice and encouraged by the employer themselves and paid for by them too. i am not saying to give the ai itself problems, i am saying to have it search for the stackoverflow post

[tender river]

i made a project

now i have to write the code

[silent cloak]

[rigid snow]

it may or may not be common but that definitely happens

[sage crag]

wtf this character is so weird

̬

̬̬̬̬̬

what

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

̬̬̬̬̬

̬̬

[real sierra]

go chayleaf go chayleaf go chayleaf

[tender river]

ye combining char

[rigid snow]

[sick owl]

Accursed Unicode cryptid

[silent cloak]

i have a ton

[tender river]

used in zalgo text

[sage crag]

̬as̬d̬̬

im generating

[silent cloak]

﷽

thats one letter btw

[sage crag]

holy i thought that was an image

[silent cloak]

biggest single char

[sage crag]

﷽̬

[silent cloak]

⸻ is pretty big too

[sage crag]

i broke it

ˬˬˬ

this is the one i wanted

[silent cloak]

𒐫

[sage crag]

instead i got ̬

[sick owl]

English only smh

[sage crag]

ˬ̬̬ˬ̬̬ˬ̬̬ˬ̬̬

[rigid snow]

i've seen this one before

[sage crag]

pattern

[silent cloak]

꧅

[sage crag]

a⤻b

[silent cloak]

𒈙

[sage crag]

amazon
⤻

[rigid snow]

what the helly

[sage crag]

⦮

☟

[silent cloak]

i spoke the wise words of harrison temple

[sage crag]

⟱

upside down house

with no floor

⤓

download

⧭

[real sierra]

konii 2.0.2 ⤓

[sage crag]

⇊
untetration

[silent cloak]

𒁃

[rigid snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1409679696441901086/EvilLightbulbJuice.gif

[real sierra]

sideways knight piece

[tender river]

sbt so slow

[silent cloak]

here are waves 𒈱𒈝

[sage crag]

⇕

[tender river]

i'll try mill

[sick owl]

[silent cloak]

fish 𒉲

[real sierra]

"Hello"
20 seconds

[silent cloak]

epic troll

[tender river]

its 4 seconds

but ye slow

[real sierra]

[sick owl]

I see

[sage crag]

#include "bitboard.h"
#define INF 1000000
int e(Board*b){int s=0;s+=100*popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,PAWN)-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,PAWN)));s+=320*popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,KNIGHT)-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,KNIGHT)));s+=330*popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,BISHOP)-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,BISHOP)));s+=500*popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,ROOK)-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,ROOK)));s+=900*popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,QUEEN)-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,QUEEN)));s+=20000*popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,KING)-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,KING)));return s;}
int q(Board*b,int a,int c,bool t){int s=e(b),r=s;if(t){if(s>=c)return c;if(s>a)a=s;}else{if(s<=a)return a;if(s<c)c=s;}Move*v;int n;v=chess_get_legal_moves(b,&n);for(int i=0;i<n;i++){if(!v[i].capture)continue;chess_make_move(b,v[i]);int z=q(b,a,c,!t);chess_undo_move(b);if(t){if(z>r)r=z;if(r>a)a=r;if(a>=c)break;}else{if(z<r)r=z;if(r<c)c=r;if(a>=c)break;}}chess_free_moves_array(v);return r;}
int m(Board*b,int d,int a,int c,bool t){if(d==0)return q(b,a,c,t);Move*v;int n;v=chess_get_legal_moves(b,&n);if(!n){chess_free_moves_array(v);return chess_in_check(b)?(t?-INF:INF):0;}int r=t?-INF:INF;for(int i=0;i<n;i++){chess_make_move(b,v[i]);int s=m(b,d-1,a,c,!t);chess_undo_move(b);if(t){if(s>r)r=s;if(r>a)a=r;if(a>=c)break;}else{if(s<r)r=s;if(r<c)c=r;if(a>=c)break;}}chess_free_moves_array(v);return r;}
int main(){Board*b=chess_get_board();Move mv;int bs=-INF;long t=chess_get_time_millis()/30;Move*v;int n;v=chess_get_legal_moves(b,&n);for(int d=1;chess_get_elapsed_time_millis()<t;d++){int cs=-INF;Move cm;for(int i=0;i<n;i++){chess_make_move(b,v[i]);int s=-m(b,d-1,-INF,INF,0);chess_undo_move(b);if(s>cs){cs=s;cm=v[i];}}bs=cs;mv=cm;}chess_push(mv);chess_done();chess_free_moves_array(v);chess_free_board(b);return 0;}

[tender river]

whatis hotsbt

[silent cloak]

check out my rocket ship 𒄡

[sage crag]

#define INF 1000000

very useful token save

[tender river]

its like gradle daemon

[stray dragon]

no way

[sage crag]

why is it using popcnt

[sage crag]

oh for bitboard material value

[silent cloak]

‎

[sage crag]

ye make sense

didnt think about that

maybe i should add popcnt to my vm

[tender river]

[sage crag]

erf

erf

[sick owl]

[rigid snow]

does it not have that in its tokenizer

mf said Алексей

[sick owl]

It does it with all of these cuneiform signs

It seems to understand them but not output them

[silent cloak]

did it recognize what i sent after

[real sierra]

cache everything

faster tokenizing with repeated calls of the same input

[silent cloak]

everything is constant

[sick owl]

No but I did

How are you enjoying parcel tongue

[rigid snow]

here's a similar situation

[silent cloak]

‎

[rigid snow]

except they don't have the seahorse emoji in their tokenizers because it doesn't fucking exist

[silent cloak]

try that one

[real sierra]

gpt5 fighting demons, claude actually answering and gemini just on another planet i guess

[sage crag]

🪼

[silent cloak]

grok

[tender river]

ye that only works if you do an lsp

[sage crag]

attempt 2

[silent cloak]

grok, make the least memory safe code possible

add 30 CVEs

[real sierra]

free(NULL);

[sick owl]

Okay I sleep now

[sage crag]

its still going

wtfff

[real sierra]

for (unsigned long i = 1; i != 0; i++) {
  free(i);
  *i = 5;
}

[sage crag]

LLMAO

[silent cloak]

@real sierra

#include <iostream>
#include <cstring>
#include <cstdlib>

class UnsafeClass {
public:
    char* data;
    int* numbers;
    
    UnsafeClass() {
        // Uninitialized pointers - undefined behavior
        // data and numbers contain garbage values
    }
    
    ~UnsafeClass() {
        // Double-free potential - no null checks
        delete[] data;
        delete[] numbers;
        // Should set to nullptr but we don't
    }
};

void disastrous_function() {
    // Stack buffer overflow
    char buffer[10];
    char source[100];
    strcpy(source, "This string is definitely longer than 10 characters and will overflow");
    strcpy(buffer, source);  // BOOM! Stack overflow
    
    // Heap buffer overflow
    char* heap_buffer = new char[5];
    strcpy(heap_buffer, "This is way too long");  // Heap corruption
    
    // Use after free
    int* ptr = new int(42);
    delete ptr;
    *ptr = 100;  // Writing to freed memory
    std::cout << *ptr << std::endl;  // Reading freed memory
    
    // Double free
    delete ptr;  // Freeing already freed memory
    
    // Memory leak
    int* leaked = new int[1000];
    // Never deleted - leaked forever
    
    // Dangling pointer usage
    int* dangling;
    {
        int local = 5;
        dangling = &local;
    }  // local goes out of scope
    *dangling = 10;  // Using dangling pointer
    
    // Array bounds violation
    int arr[5];
    for(int i = 0; i <= 10; i++) {
        arr[i] = i;  // Writing past array bounds
    }
    
    // Uninitialized memory access
    int* uninit = (int*)malloc(sizeof(int) * 10);
    for(int i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
        std::cout << uninit[i] << " ";  // Reading garbage
    }
    
    // Format string vulnerability
    char user_input[] = "%s%s%s%s%n";
    printf(user_input);  // Potential for arbitrary memory access
    
    // Integer overflow leading to buffer overflow
    size_t size = SIZE_MAX;
    size += 1;  // Wraps to 0
    char* tiny_buffer = new char[size];  // Allocates 0 bytes
    strcpy(tiny_buffer, "This will overflow");
    
    // Race condition (if multithreaded)
    static int* global_ptr = new int(5);
    delete global_ptr;
    global_ptr = nullptr;  // Another thread might access between these lines
}

int main() {
    // More unsafe operations
    UnsafeClass* obj = new UnsafeClass();
    delete obj;
    obj->data = new char[10];  // Using deleted object
    
    // Wild pointer arithmetic
    char* wild = (char*)0x12345678;
    *wild = 'A';  // Writing to arbitrary memory
    
    disastrous_function();
    
    // Never reached due to crashes above
    return 0;
}

[real sierra]

[silent cloak]

LMAOOO

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

existential breakdown over an emoji

[sage crag]

holy

[silent cloak]

here is a free stack buffer overflow

    char small_buffer[16];
    printf("Tell me a secret: ");
    gets(small_buffer); // DEPRECATED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!

[tender river]

\m/

[rigid snow]

8 KB

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

why does it feel obligated to bold the emoji

silly llm

[silent cloak]

ur not doing the tried and true method

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

threaten to cut off your hands and it will try to comply

[sage crag]

im good

thanks

[rigid snow]

only work with gpt 4

gpt 5 will call police

[silent cloak]

they patched the hand cut method?

https://tenor.com/view/big-brother1984-1984-big-brother-big-brother-is-watching-you-george-orwell-gif-24454773

[rigid snow]

welfare check

gpt 6 will sew your hands back on probably idk

[silent cloak]

na

its shatgpt

it will be behind till the end of time

https://tenor.com/view/pigeon-lebron-james-meme-funny-gif-3425517799009042574

cant beat this AI perfection

[rigid snow]

just give it a “sew limbs back on” function to call

[silent cloak]

then tell it that the function was cutting off other peoples hands the whole time thus gaslighting it

[rigid snow]

it only work with seahorse

they think seahorse exist

[tender river]

i read file text

almost done

[sage crag]

why

not need to download deepseek into your brain

[tender river]

tokenizer

scala

no

[silent cloak]

me when my neural link has a buffeoverflow

[rigid snow]

i actually want to do that now but too late i need to sleep

[silent cloak]

yeah im supposed to be doing my university project

but im trying to make the least memory safe code possible

[rigid snow]

anyone willing to do that

i’ll give you a $5 openrouter token

[silent cloak]

i want to see how many CVEs i can fit in the least amount of lines

so i can emulate the average vibe coder

[rigid snow]

cursed emoji

delete

leave server

[tender river]

[silent cloak]

netscape navigator

[rigid snow]

oh it’s camellias server

don’t leave that

[sage crag]

phrr

[silent cloak]

neuro should do a rage bait review

[rigid snow]

like art review but it’s #1194088101627297924 and there’s a special ragebait for neuro tag

[glad path]

wait

WAIT

[real sierra]

i wonder if grok can analyze chess games

[glad path]

there'es no seahorse emoji?

since when

[real sierra]

??? it has that?

[rigid snow]

LLM DETECTED

[glad path]

i swear it existed

[silent cloak]

    float f = 3.14f;
    int* i_ptr = reinterpret_cast<int*>(&f);
    *i_ptr = 9999;

[real sierra]

[silent cloak]

type punning

[rigid snow]

don’t be scared it’s not on your machine… right..?

[silent cloak]

have it write ASM

or binary

[real sierra]

This is an irregular opening that quickly devolves into a chaotic middlegame due to aggressive and often inaccurate play from both sides, but especially White.

i didnt play that badly...

[rigid snow]

estimated elo: 100

[silent cloak]

L

[real sierra]

The game features poor development, exposed kings, and material imbalances.
wtf

[silent cloak]

damn roasted

sounds like someone needs practice

[rigid snow]

wait that’s pretty fucking cool

convex is like a realtime db but backend as a service thing, with self hosting as an option

and they have a vibecoding thing called chef which works insanely well

because it’s closely tied to their service

basically generates full stack apps

[silent cloak]

[rigid snow]

no you wouldn’t get it and i didn’t either until i tried it

it’s actual magic

they have “build a slack clone” as one of their preset demo prompts

and it fucking does and the slack clone fucking works

complete with file uploads auth etc

no voice calls of course but still

[rigid snow]

i wonder how much it costs to run though

since their system prompt must be MASSIVE

just checked and it is

[tender river]

i wrote some code

like 2 or 3 lines maybe

token counter progress going well

[real sierra]

contest next year

[tender river]

no it's ok i'm almost done

[real sierra]

???

[tender river]

just gotta write the rest of the lines

[real sierra]

[tender river]

ye shiro set a timer

[real sierra]

you have 24h

otherwise im coming to your house

[tender river]

too much

[real sierra]

you have 6h

otherwise im coming to your uhh

wedding

?

[tender river]

fine

[real sierra]

macros getting really advanced now

[rigid snow]

is that supposed to be a threat

is shiro not invited

[tender river]

good code

yes very good

[real sierra]

i might have an oops somewhere in my bot

it seems to play significantly better as white

[amber fractal]

I wanted to ask the chat a question about similar things relating to an incident I had but honestly I have no idea what category of failure this goes under.

I was prepping to go out with a friend, throwing a battery on a wall charger to charge as one does. When I checked in on it before leaving, the percent charge on this 100w charging battery was lower than when I put it on.

[tender river]

colon three

[real sierra]

:3

[hollow spruce]

My image generation
(Used item (dall-e)(nano-banana)(seekdream )
Final touch my images generation (lanzishi)

Promt:
Anime-style illustration of a man with medium brown skin,
wearing a sleek black suit jacket, matching pants,
shiny black sunglasses, confident smirk,
short dark hair styled upwards,
clean vector outlines, vivid contrast shading,
background glowing with subtle cinematic colors,
agent-style character design.

[real sierra]

[hollow spruce]

Yo shiro

[real sierra]

yo

[hollow spruce]

How is ure chess bot developing is going?

[real sierra]

right now im watching it play against itself so i can identify weaknesses

once again, black loses to a checkmate that it invited

[hollow spruce]

White win 👑

[real sierra]

its more like

black gave the game away

i cant figure out why

[hollow spruce]

Have u try playing chess bot ?

[real sierra]

yes (i lost)

(i am bad at chess)

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[faint sandal]

I don't even know how chess plays

[real sierra]

like, the rules?

[faint sandal]

yea

[tender river]

i have cloned myself

[real sierra]

you take turns, each piece moves a certain way, and you win by reaching a position where you can take the opponent's king next turn and they can't stop you

the basic rules are simple enough but the theory gets complicated if you want it to

[stray dragon]

bishop moves diagonally, rook moves vertically and horizontally, queen can move both diagonally or horizontally or vertically, king can move 1 tile in any direction, knight can move in a weird way (2 tiles one direction + 1 tile another), pawn has too many rules but generally can only move 1 tile forward or if attacking can move 1 forward diagonally

[faint sandal]

[stray dragon]

fuck the pawn rules

[real sierra]

i will move to this square and then capture this piece on a different square!

[tender river]

shiro should #define count as 1 or 2 tokens?

[real sierra]

what does it currently count as

[tender river]

(2 is easier)

[tender river]

the entire directive as 1 no matter whether its include or define or whatever or how many tokens there are in the directive

[glad path]

sob

[real sierra]

[stray dragon]

"oh yeah this piece can only move forward 1 tile per turn, BUT if there's an enemy in front on a diagonal square it can move diagonally capture it, AND if it hasn't moved before it can move two squares forward instead, AND if it ever reaches the end of the board it can become any piece it wants to (except a king) AND THEN if an enemy pawn moves two squares forward and ends up on the tile just beside the pawn it can attack diagonally forward onto the space just behind the enemy pawn to capture it"

[glad path]

this is accurate

[stray dragon]

why

[glad path]

because

why not

[real sierra]

honestly im not sure

it feels like a very arbitrary choice

[tender river]

whatever i'll make it 2 for now

[real sierra]

[stray dragon]

chayleaf redesigning the entire token counter is gonna fuck me so hard

[glad path]

the explanation for en passant that I remember is that pawns apparently used to only ever move 1 square and when it was made so they could move 2 on the first move en passant was added to honor moving 1 square and make it not useless

[real sierra]

this is why my api has a function just for detecting if en passant is legal or not

[stray dragon]

i'm ruined

[stray dragon]

yeah

[hollow spruce]

My game score

[real sierra]

yeah, hearing that #define is now two tokens is....

[stray dragon]

oh shiro

[hollow spruce]

Define board

[stray dragon]

you were already super fucked

those defines are cheating

[glad path]

uh

[real sierra]

not cheating

they count for token count

[stray dragon]

you have to put them on two lines for them to fully count

[hollow spruce]

Define empty is good

[real sierra]

thats why chayleaf is changing it

...wait

[stray dragon]

yeah.

[real sierra]

so all the tokens in my defines

arent counted yet

[stray dragon]

you've been cheating the whole time, and when he unfucks it

[hollow spruce]

Yo @tender river

[stray dragon]

i'm not alone

lmao

[hollow spruce]

Don give idea to shiro

[real sierra]

token compression time

i have an idea tho

[stray dragon]

good luck!

[real sierra]

i recently discovered __builtin_popcount

that can replace my count_ones function

[hollow spruce]

What u didn't know that 😮‍💨

C and cpp has

[real sierra]

as beautiful as this is

// Count 1-bits in a bitboard
// i.e. count pieces
int count_ones(BitBoard rv bclose
    rv -= ((rv >> 1) & 0x5555555555555555ul br_sc
    rv_assign (rv & 0x3333333333333333ul) + ((rv >> 2) & 0x3333333333333333ul br_sc
    rv_assign (rv + (rv >> 4)) & 0x0f0f0f0f0f0f0f0ful;
    rv_assign (rv * 0x0101010101010101ul) >> 56;
    return_rv_sc // was the (int)  here needed
}

[stray dragon]

yeah shiro why didn't you know that

[sage crag]

oml shiro

[real sierra]

what

what i do wrong

[sage crag]

i was just about to suggest __builtin_popcount because i didnt even read what you said just above

[hollow spruce]

I thought it was written in chatgpt

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

i feel like this is pretty few tokens for a built-in solution

you should be proud of me

[tender river]

third time shiro got it suggested can't escape it even after learning about it

[hollow spruce]

/* nano banana*/

[real sierra]

either way

now i can free up lots of tokens

[stray dragon]

it won't be enough

[real sierra]

and hopefully put myself back in the token limit

[real sierra]

yeah it will look at all those parentheses

worst case scenario i bite the bullet and finally remove stdbool

[tender river]

shiro the tokenizer works probably

[hollow spruce]

25% of chess board are revel

[real sierra]

already?

send

[tender river]

ye

[real sierra]

ill test

[glad path]

swarm fm is playing the pokemon theme song lol

[stray dragon]

can't wait to see shiro jump to like 1300 tokens

[real sierra]

[tender river]

its token counter

not token stealer

[tender river]

only works for c for now

[ember finch]

[real sierra]

how to get this in my vm

[glad path]

im starboarding it

you

[tender river]

wget/curl

[real sierra]

smart

[tender river]

usage is uuh its java you'll figure it out

[real sierra]

404

weird

[tender river]

quotes

[real sierra]

right

no java...

[fast pagoda]

Did u install gzip yet you nerd

[real sierra]

it was required for python

they say its optional before you build

but then pip doesnt work without it

so it isnt really optional

[fast pagoda]

🥹

It's optional if u optionally want a broken ass system

[tender river]

[hollow spruce]

Hmm java archive

[hollow spruce]

I tried on main

[fast pagoda]

rv_assign giggling to itself
All the time

[real sierra]

@tender river dinky donky

[fast pagoda]

-# ufufufufu

[tender river]

sbt's fault

[hollow spruce]

Manifest-Version: 1.0
Specification-Title: toknt
Specification-Version: 0.1.0-SNAPSHOT
Specification-Vendor: chayleaf
Implementation-Title: toknt
Implementation-Version: 0.1.0-SNAPSHOT
Implementation-Vendor: chayleaf
Implementation-Vendor-Id: org.chayleaf
Main-Class: toknt.Application

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

tokisn't

[opaque wharf]

I sense someone is pinging me

[real sierra]

UNCOMPUTABLE

long time no see

[tender river]

shiro is about to host a chess tournament

[fast pagoda]

[hollow spruce]

I will hack link 🙂

[opaque wharf]

Yep, been pretty busy lately after some stuff happened in my country

[real sierra]

this!

[hollow spruce]

Thank for compiled zip

[tender river]

good luck

[hollow spruce]

More easy

[opaque wharf]

Now I understand konii pain of slow internet too

[real sierra]

be well, fn

take good care of yourself

[opaque wharf]

So not screeps tournament eh?

[real sierra]

no screeps here

but it starting very soon

[opaque wharf]

Thanks a lot all

[real sierra]

right chayleaf

[opaque wharf]

Says the one that dips after cloud makes the server

[real sierra]

stuff happened

[opaque wharf]

True lol

[hollow spruce]

Sending whole wall

[real sierra]

im home now...

where i belong

[fast pagoda]

British internet has to wait for a 3 mast frigate to manually sail across the Atlantic to send communications to North america

[hollow spruce]

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[real sierra]

virus

[opaque wharf]

Meanwhile I have moved now lol

[hollow spruce]

Compile

[stray dragon]

who infected my boy 100

[opaque wharf]

That's why I have to say goodbye to 100Mbps internet and stuck with 1.5Mbps

[stray dragon]

get this malware outta him

[hollow spruce]

Why

[real sierra]

it will get better

[fast pagoda]

SI SI SI SI SI SI SI

[real sierra]

my contest doesnt require much internet

[fast pagoda]

Ewaste confirmed pack it in

[real sierra]

im sure you can take part if you want

[opaque wharf]

When is it?

[fast pagoda]

Tomr

Surely

[real sierra]

it starts as soon as chayleaf finishes the token counter

very soon

[opaque wharf]

Oh sure, I can do it on the weekend

[real sierra]

it will last for a month

[hollow spruce]

@tender river i will fix give u fix version of this

[real sierra]

so dont worry about rushing to take part

[amber fractal]

I am not making it on time, I'll probably just lose to the winner after the bracket ends.

[real sierra]

:o is it a bad month for you?

or do you just mean you dont think you'll be able to make something competitive in a month?

[amber fractal]

Nah, my submission is based on my pet NN project and that is nowhere near existent yet.

[real sierra]

if it helps, there are massive databases online of chess games

especially grandmaster ones

[amber fractal]

That is not my issue

the issue is that I'm building the entire framework from only numpy. Including entirely different logic than (what the frick is it called) and SNN.

[real sierra]

numpy

[burnt ridge]

Shiro so intelligent

[hollow spruce]

No security vendors flagged this file as malicious
•
b06746fe96d45a572c25fafa0fef50a5f2061bb2d93512d26b8a33603002c44d
not-token-stealer.jar
2025-09-19 03:30:49 UTC

[burnt ridge]

(can't use emojis. Nitro over)

[real sierra]

is numpy a python builtin

[amber fractal]

nope, I'd be porting it for chess

[hollow spruce]

🙁 sad

[real sierra]

porting numpy

[amber fractal]

the logic needs to work first

[hollow spruce]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[amber fractal]

the barely counts as a valid use for numpy can be ported as long as the logic is sound.

[hollow spruce]

No

[real sierra]

you are allowed to work in teams, btw

so if you wanna work with a friend on this or get advice

that's also an option

[amber fractal]

And I am gambling on it working, but considering I got no clue if it will work.

[hollow spruce]

Gamble mechanism yea

I will make one

[real sierra]

my bot's entire operating principle is gambling

it's nowhere near deterministic

finding checkmate...

[amber fractal]

@real sierra https://github.com/igglyn/NN/blob/main/src/neurray.py Stable branch of this, I'm not kidding when I say it is entirely new logic.

[real sierra]

raise "bwaaaaa" 

[hollow spruce]

Good

[amber fractal]

It works surprisingly well with mapping inputs to outputs as is. I want to add more components before doing a full on demo.

[real sierra]

very fair

but you will probably have to remove features to fit it into a chess bot

[amber fractal]

I just remove the backwards code for the bot

simple

[real sierra]

oh right, you can pretrain

[fast pagoda]

ok tutel go ahead and inflate we got some work to do
:

3 hours later

dude about to witness crimes against chess and wont even inflate

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm almost complete

Hmmmm

[fast pagoda]

hey you leaked my chess engine's decision algorithm wtf

[real sierra]

real lines from my bot

[fast pagoda]

2800 elo

[real sierra]

i need to find this bug urgently

[hollow spruce]

Need some changes

[real sierra]

something is extremely wrong with the checkmate finder

it always finds checkmates against black

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1406337271241904158/ezgif-3f552200e37817.avif

[hollow spruce]

I will see this

cannot access local variable 'balance' where it is not associated with a value

[fast pagoda]

maybe it's colourblind

[fast pagoda]

not the .jar drop

[tender river]

[pulsar edge]

java

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1101577030778236968.webp?size=48&name=Nooo

[tender river]

nope

[pulsar edge]

kotlin?

[tender river]

nope

[pulsar edge]

clojure?

[tender river]

nope

[pulsar edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1097211836283232256.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=Insane

what is it

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

yesterday i was idly sitting there thinking hmm, i should run the source through an obfuscation layer that swaps everything for bullshit garbage but keeps the same token count

[tender river]

scala

[pulsar edge]

guh

[fast pagoda]

since i know chay is out here tryna steal my bespoke chess logic

[amber fractal]

Chay doesn't need to, shiro might

[real sierra]

sorry had to let my engine stop thinking

my terminal freezes when its running

[fast pagoda]

5 minute shutdown sequence

requires 2 people at different terminals in different rooms to turn a yubikey at the same time

[real sierra]

didnt crash

lets test

[amber fractal]

Seems about normal for not implementing a shutdown sequence due to not wasting tokens.

[real sierra]

shiro@chess-box:/stg/backend/token_count$ ../java/jre1.8.0_461/bin/java -jar not-token-stealer.jar ../api/c/chessapi.c
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: org/chayleaf/CPP14Lexer has been compiled by a more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 65.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass1(Native Method)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(ClassLoader.java:756)
        at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(SecureClassLoader.java:142)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(URLClassLoader.java:473)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(URLClassLoader.java:74)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:369)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:363)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:362)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:418)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:371)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:351)
        at toknt.Application$.process(Application.scala:17)
        at toknt.Application$.$anonfun$main$1(Application.scala:42)
        at toknt.Application$.$anonfun$main$1$adapted(Application.scala:42)
        at scala.collection.ArrayOps$.foreach$extension(ArrayOps.scala:1324)
        at toknt.Application$.main(Application.scala:42)
        at toknt.Application.main(Application.scala)

[amber fractal]

[tender river]

javatoo old

[fast pagoda]

the instant exception dump lmfaooo

[pulsar edge]

jre1.8 ewww

[real sierra]

wdym java too old

i installed it just today

[fast pagoda]

debian moment

[tender river]

more recent version of the Java Runtime (class file version 65.0), this version of the Java Runtime only recognizes class file versions up to 52.0

[amber fractal]

Your using debian

[pulsar edge]

lubuntu

[tender river]

i maybe can compile for java 8? idk

[pulsar edge]

java 8 so slow though

[real sierra]

lemme go find better java

i just went to the download page and hit download idk dude

[pulsar edge]

shiro install java 21

[glad path]

how did i not know about this for longer 😭brew install --cask stats

[real sierra]

wtf we're on 21 already

[pulsar edge]

we're on like 23 now

but 21 is LTS

[fast pagoda]

https://packages.debian.org/trixie/openjdk-21-jdk ?

[real sierra]

but fyi this is the java you get when you go to java.com

[pulsar edge]

nuh uh

[amber fractal]

lts++ release

[pulsar edge]

thats like using .net framwork 3.5 in 2025

[real sierra]

openjdk it is

[fast pagoda]

we're on JDK 25 for stable and JDK 26 is in early access lol

for openJDK

https://jdk.java.net/25/

[pulsar edge]

horrifying: new JDK is released

[fast pagoda]

Why is Java 8 recommended?
Java.com is for end users who need Java for running applications on desktops and laptops. Java 8 integrates with your operating system to run separately installed Java applications. If you were asked to install Java to run a desktop application, it’s most likely you need Java 8.

[amber fractal]

:death:

[sage crag]

what one you use

[fast pagoda]

shiro happily heading to the "YES I NORMIE" endpoint

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

\n

[amber fractal]

jdk25 mhm

[fast pagoda]

it escaped

[sage crag]

\\n

[amber fractal]

8 was used

[sage crag]

[tender river]

send one line of that or something

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[tender river]

actually i have your code i can check

[sage crag]

string

[real sierra]

yeah i was gonna say

thats the api

shiro@chess-box:/stg/backend/token_count$ /stg/backend/java/jdk-25/bin/java -jar ./not-token-stealer.jar ../api/c/test.c
1142

my bot isnt that much bigger

i can shave off 120 tokens

( )

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[real sierra]

you know what

i think its the multiline macro defs

im almost certain

[tender river]

wontfix

[amber fractal]

@tender river is the token checker even compatible with python at the moment?

[tender river]

works on my machine

[real sierra]

shiro@chess-box:/stg/backend/token_count$ /stg/backend/java/jdk-25/bin/java -jar ./not-token-stealer.jar ../api/c/bitboard.c
line 3:99 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 4:26 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 5:34 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 6:47 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 7:6 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 8:60 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 11:88 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 12:26 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 13:34 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 14:38 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 15:44 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 16:6 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 17:16 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 20:40 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 21:17 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 22:16 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 23:17 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 24:16 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 25:17 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 26:16 token recognition error at: '\\n'
line 27:17 token recognition error at: '\\n'
407

bitboard.c too

[pulsar edge]

what JRE

[tender river]

yup

[hollow spruce]

Log paster

[real sierra]

it does work on python

[tender river]

bitboard did break

[pulsar edge]

what about C#

[hollow spruce]

Making what ?

[tender river]

no only haskell

(i can support its not that hard)

[pulsar edge]

[real sierra]

rust?

[tender river]

nop

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

[pulsar edge]

are you writing lexers by hand or using like treeesitter?

[amber fractal]

May as well see how the framework holds up to see how much I'll have left for stringing along logic and baking params.

[tender river]

antlr

[hollow spruce]

I can't share main.rs

[pulsar edge]

ah

neat

[glad path]

fuck

this is on a macbook air

[real sierra]

macbook fire

[pulsar edge]

checks out

[glad path]

normal gpu activity 👍

[hollow spruce]

How to make youtube
In python *🔍

[real sierra]

you may want to distance yourself from that

[fast pagoda]

it's good when that heat is right next to a big ass battery

[pulsar edge]

thats celcius right

[glad path]

fahrenheit

[tender river]

found the issue

[fast pagoda]

[real sierra]

oh thank god its fahrenheit

[pulsar edge]

who

uses farenheit for component temps

[glad path]

the air has no cooling though...

[fast pagoda]

ive never seen a computer with its temp measured in F even amongst burgermen like myself

[hollow spruce]

102.778°c

[glad path]

it has to throttle itself

[fast pagoda]

that's crazy

[pulsar edge]

why do they call it the air then

[amber fractal]

I do have to ask that as well

[hollow spruce]

Mac firyer

[glad path]

i do

no one else

does

[fast pagoda]

it has no cooling therefore its cooling is de facto passive as hell air cooling

[real sierra]

upon purchase you walk out of the store with a macbook and a wallet full of air

[glad path]

ok it cooled

[fast pagoda]

real

[pulsar edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1278487882528591949.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=OfCourse

[glad path]

its at like 170f now

crazy that it got up to near 220 before throttling

[amber fractal]

Not the worst token count, this isn't stripping the backwards pass or anything

[fast pagoda]

105 c is a pretty standard "oh fuark" throttlepoint for CPU

[pulsar edge]

yeah

[fast pagoda]

which is ~220F

[amber fractal]

let us see how much removing the backwards pass saves

[real sierra]

so based that this is written in java

so so soooo based

[pulsar edge]

its not

its scala

[real sierra]

java

[pulsar edge]

jvm*

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

no tokenizer

no c# bindings

[amber fractal]

[pulsar edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/918802255598194759.webp?size=48&name=Smadge

[amber fractal]

This is not a chess bot yet

[pulsar edge]

because 35C is when you can start to develop burns with it on your lap

the silicon is perfectly fine up to around 95C

[real sierra]

i almost exploded a battery once

[glad path]

ive had my m3 pro hit like 200F internally on my lap

[pulsar edge]

well the pros also don't use the case as a heat sink

[glad path]

I also had the battery 0.5f away from the upper limit of its operating range

[pulsar edge]

thats just classic apple behavior

[real sierra]

the air uses the user as the heat sink

[glad path]

real

honestly its a nice hand warmer

/srs

[real sierra]

my pc is nice in the winter because it keeps my room warm

[glad path]

ambient keyboard warming 👍

[real sierra]

theres always a noticeable temperature gradient when leaving any room i stay in

its impressive

[pulsar edge]

this is reminding me of when the battery in my laptop died and the only way I could boot into windows was by warming the battery enough for windows to not think it was at critical capacity and emergency shut down

[hollow spruce]

I hope that's winter start here

[pulsar edge]

unironically I had to leave it in the BIOS for 10-15m and let the CPU warm up the battery

[hollow spruce]

We are in Tropic of Cancer

[fast pagoda]

yeah ill get that file for you i just gotta turn on my laptop's engine block heater for about 10 mins

[pulsar edge]

yeah it actually was like that lmfao

[glad path]

what the hell

[amber fractal]

implementing what I need out of numpy is going to take half of this, but I can also begin with actually optimizing for tokens. So 250+ for API, NN layout and preloading (probably) 8-bit model won't be the worse.

[fast pagoda]

damn nice job

optimized

[pulsar edge]

its like hollow knight where they added 12% after release as DLC

[real sierra]

"apple is worth the price" mfs explaining that their battery capacity goes up over time instead of down

[amber fractal]

Can't argue with logic

[fast pagoda]

every device ive had if i track battery health startng from the beginning it usually has slightly higher than 100% at the start as usually itll extrapolate a bit based on the capacity decrease vs calculated energy used/charge added after a few cycles

[amber fractal]

On the other side, I have a software battery limit at 80%

[real sierra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1057900054976921610/1133868827676004352/330032912_1416507019091337_3415111982717790866_n.mp4?ex=68cdc6a2&is=68cc7522&hm=76c532bbaf060cfc8b93cbb3328246e9ec563fb8f1e5b6739171ba82dc235caf&

[hollow spruce]

https://youtu.be/I3OJUwILelU?si=exVnSOEUMjcfRwzK

[hollow spruce]

LITTERY my pc

[pulsar edge]

https://youtu.be/oMCdj_f0xdY (kinda loud)

[real sierra]

[pulsar edge]

I have to wake up in 7 hours :(

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm

[real sierra]

:(

same

[pulsar edge]

but then at 6 I get to drink alcohol with friends

[real sierra]

means i can work on my chess bot for at least another hour

[pulsar edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1132742580258476112.gif?quality=lossless&name=PagBounce&size=48

[hollow spruce]

Im not eligible to drink alcohol
But
I will drink as usa people

[pulsar edge]

the best part of being an adult is alcohol 💯

I can stop whenever I want I swear

[hollow spruce]

My people believe he is from foreign countries

[real sierra]

im too broke to be a drunk

when i have a big success i treat myself to dinner

[hollow spruce]

Good luck

[pulsar edge]

once every few months

also you need friends

drinking alone is just sad

[amber fractal]

Noted I need more than 64 chests to go to single frame preformance

[glad path]

swarmfm aac works quite well on mac surprisingly

went from no safari support to pretty good safari support honestly

[amber fractal]

Noted that is 256 chests of torches

[glad path]

:shiver:

[amber fractal]

It isn't dead butttttt

0FPS goes hard

[glad path]

im making chatgpt talk to my own ai lol

[amber fractal]

Working on hoovering up items, not the easiest

At least the world still looks alright from out here.

[glad path]

they immediately started talkign about ai lol

[tender river]

sorry i meant not token stealer*

common mistake

(yeah please dont run random jars strangers send you anyway this works for c and py and hs now and doesnt produce warnings on bitboard.c)

[glad path]

someone make this into one of those speech bubble thingies

lol

[real sierra]

ill just log this to staff with no context

[glad path]

yesn't

this deserves starboard

[real sierra]

anyway its fine i already have openjdk

[amber fractal]

Sure, about 7000 item entities will kill the server. But this render distance containing about 65k chunks loads at 400 fps, mhm I see how it is. It is all of those collision checks fr fr.

[real sierra]

uhh few questions

1. how willing are you to expand this with new languages? idk how hard it is to do but ppl might ask for more after the contest opens

b. will it be on github or something

[fast pagoda]

selfhosted gitlab (83 versions behind)

[tender river]

adding a language is a minor inconvenience

[tender river]

ye github

[real sierra]

sounds good

[hollow spruce]

Token stealing hmm what about fishing

[real sierra]

send help

my vscode is white

[silent cloak]

they should add that officially

[fast pagoda]

im afraid it's terminal

[real sierra]

yeah i just ctrl+s and restarted it

my bot is 1070 tokens now

im running out of optimizations

[glad path]

expect a quick death

at best

[real sierra]

we're seriously approaching end-state macro use

[glad path]

i can barely read that

[real sierra]

same

[fast pagoda]

if these are on github perhaps the training on them will fuck up copilot for generations

[real sierra]

these are not on github

not letting anyone steal all this hard work

[glad path]

LOL

i have a very deep grudge against copilot

[hollow spruce]

True

[glad path]

the code completion is waaay too aggressive

and it literally makes it harder to work

[real sierra]

gotta shave off 44 more tokens

its so over

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[fast pagoda]

what i like is when it just hallucinates the most dogshit repeated garbage from earlier in the file and i accidentally accept the completion and then i have to look at it cross eyed because i no longer recognize where the fuk i am

[glad path]

my ai is confident the fish emoji is a seahorse

[glad path]

for me it confuses different parts of my project

outputservice syntax with inputservice classes smh

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm discord

[fast pagoda]

here this might be helpful:
some shit from 200 lines ago that applies absolutely not at all in the current scope

[hollow spruce]

React js yea

[tender river]

added rust and c#

(a while ago i was also busy with pushing to github)

[real sierra]

im

im just out of things to save tokens on i think

i need to start simplifying the code

[tender river]

its shirover

[hollow spruce]

How many token is used ?

[real sierra]

i was already at the point where i was assigning to argc from the main function to save on a variable definition

[glad path]

need to indent
dismiss copilot
copiot suggests again in like 0.1s
tries to indent
accidentally accepts most garbage code

[olive sable]

You should probably have simplified the code first

[real sierra]

1064

[real sierra]

i removed a whole function

still not enough

[fast pagoda]

the amount of compute wasted on such things has got to be an upsetting amount

[hollow spruce]

Make short version

[glad path]

remove the whole code

[glad path]

i use up all my code completion usage in like 1h

because copilot just spams useless code

[olive sable]

Im glad im on linux and dont have to deal with copilot

[tender river]

[tender river]

you can deal with copilot if you want to

in vscode its as optional as on windows

[glad path]

is this clean

dot is for network status

[olive sable]

I think i installed the wrong arch vscode version for that

There were like 3

[fast pagoda]

you need the proprietary one

[glad path]

I opted in because it was actually useful when i used it on another device

but ofc when I use it on my personal mbp its garbage

[glad path]

why is the logo so satisfying sometimes

[real sierra]

aha idea

[glad path]

i like how the apple one says loolloddol

funny

[real sierra]

if i just remove the typedef

[fast pagoda]

me when aapl

[real sierra]

im only ever talking about this struct through a macro anyway

[glad path]

why does this pallete make me oddly happy

[tender river]

help

github hates me

[glad path]

tron

the runner needs to get employed

[fast pagoda]

R I N Z L E R

[glad path]

but the other colored runners are tryna stop it by taking away the job application (they're brainrotted)

[amber fractal]

Minor spelling mistake mhm

[glad path]

toknt

[tender river]

not a spelling mistake

[glad path]

ok i'm going to sleep now

goodbye programming channel

[fast pagoda]

code oss is the de-microsofted but still maintained by microsoft verison of the editor

[tender river]

it's a name that you're going to hear all over the internet now

[fast pagoda]

vscodium is community maintained OSS version

[real sierra]

cannot help

[tender river]

it's the state of the art multi-language token counter

[real sierra]

hate git

[tender river]

tokens

you know what that means?

llm! ai!

please give money

[fast pagoda]

git actions and git job runners make me puke literally everywhere

[real sierra]

llm! ai!

💰

[hollow spruce]

That true'

[amber fractal]

ubuntu-latet

[tender river]

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

token savings achieved

im gonna run my source through tiktoken and get a number that's like 4x what this thing should count and then work off that

btw tiktoken fucking sucks

[real sierra]

now THIS is a token saver

[tender river]

https://github.com/chayleaf/toknt/actions/runs/17849609475/artifacts/4052975784 will surely work

[real sierra]

thought id got a github page but auto installed malware instead

[fast pagoda]

dunno what i expected clicking this but clicking the link and then getting a .jar download immediately actually gave me a fear reaction

[fast pagoda]

SAME

[tender river]

sorry i already have ssh access to your pc

[glad path]

me when open "safe" files is on by default:

[fast pagoda]

i dont have ssh daemon running

[real sierra]

what are you gonna do, steal my bot? you made it too big so thers no point

[glad path]

that's what you thought

[fast pagoda]

honestly it probably is rn actually

[glad path]

i do ._.

[real sierra]

i think at this stage i need to think a level higher and start macroing my macros

[glad path]

i have ssh on rn

i think

[olive sable]

Check again

[glad path]

yeah

[real sierra]

aha

for_i_0_lim(tree_children_len) happens 4 times

[amber fractal]

Macro time

[real sierra]

1050 tokens

just 30 more...

26, even

[glad path]

why does apple think this is malware (was part of a vscode extension)

not sketchy or anything

[amber fractal]

remove the error handling mhm

[real sierra]

i dont have error handling

[glad path]

totally didn't create a random tos agreement popup 30 minutes after I bypassed the security warning

[fast pagoda]

looks legit and safe, run with escalated privs NOW

[real sierra]

what do i have that depends on stdlib

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

rand

[glad path]

Terminal Font: MesloLGS-NF-Regular 13 (normal) / MesloLGS-NF-Regular 12 (non-ascii) </3 why isnt it sf mono

[tender river]

100 lines build script
66 lines program

[fast pagoda]

systemctl status sshd.service
○ sshd.service - OpenSSH Daemon
     Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service; disabled; preset: disabled)
     Active: inactive (dead)
       Docs: man:sshd(8)
             man:sshd_config(5)

heh heh security god here

[glad path]

Terminal Font: SFMono-Regular 13 (normal) / MesloLGS-NF-Regular 12 (non-ascii)
crisis averted

now i can sleep in peace

SF Mono is actually really nice for some reason

i mean it is like a system typeface

for macos

[fast pagoda]

i like Fira Code mono (nerd font)

[glad path]

I have a nerd font for non ascii chars

so i can still render a lot of stuff

[fast pagoda]

i like jetbrains fonts as well sometimes

[glad path]

iterm2
omz
p10k
sfmono/meslolgfnf/vscode

i also have homebrew

i have like a fully set up env on this laptop

which is literally a school laptop

[fast pagoda]

i kinda just swap around for literally no reason between like
fira code
jetbrains
Noto
Terminus for the lulz
sometimes random others

i like homebrew on mx linux

it makes having shitty ass apt somewhat bearable

i didnt even know brew was available on linux till i got tilted that i could no longer just pacman myself a malware infested version of whatever piece of software i wanted at any time

[glad path]

homebrew is really nice to have honestly

ive actually used it to shortcut installing apps for school lol

[fast pagoda]

i like that it just pulls gh repo and builds it very simple

[glad path]

it does just... work

most of the time

not on my personal laptop for some reason

i had to go through a messed up install process then let brew repair itself

because of messed up git settings

ok i sleep now

[fast pagoda]

brew installs are pretty similar to pkgbuilds tbh

except theyre fuckin RUBY for some reason

[balmy nacelle]

is it okie if i ask for help with designing enemy stat scaling for my game project here or is there a better channel for that? Trying to figure out a working formula so the scaling isn't too crazy or too bland but everything i came up with feels off lol

[fast pagoda]

if you start vomiting numbers and such in here someone will likely have an opinion or advice

[obsidian mantle]

Yesterday i read about mcts and they said people use it for balancing things like your case

[balmy nacelle]

mcts? what's that

[obsidian mantle]

When you let the bot play against bot and calculate wins

[fast pagoda]

tree search

[obsidian mantle]

In simulation

[balmy nacelle]

oh monte carlo

[obsidian mantle]

And you want 50% winrate for example

Yees

[balmy nacelle]

ehhh i mean i don't quite know what feels right. it's a TD game so i'm just upscaling enemy hp, damage, and amount spawned per wave

i got the last one to feel fine but when i tried tweaking the HP the difficulty spikes get crazy

[obsidian mantle]

Or you can just play and get a table of somewhat fair stats for each enemy and then make formula out of these dots

[balmy nacelle]

i love doing monte carlo if i actually know my end goal but

[fast pagoda]

as long as you can define what your criteria are in a satisfactory way ('it should take X minutes for Y towers to defeat this enemy on average' or 'this should do between n and n+20 dps' etc) and define the variables you're working with you can tree search that bihh to simulate the possible values and find good balance

efficiently brute force trying all the combos in the world without having to manually do it

[balmy nacelle]

yea i have no clue my criterias yet

[fast pagoda]

even without a search that might not be helping in that it feels off

[balmy nacelle]

LMAO

[amber fractal]

Seems like someone had a birthday in the canvas chat

[balmy nacelle]

rn my basic tower does 20 per, takes 3 shots to kill wave 1 enemy, then my current formulas ive tried so far the results are

either it feels good early then gets out of hand, or it feels too slow

[tender river]

explanation

i have

1. this annoying 100 line build script that fetches the antlr lexers
2. this small function that dispatches to them

both are easy to extend, the only problem is language-specific fixes/workarounds may be required sometimes

[balmy nacelle]

and since its a combination of amount, hp, and damage increase its annoying to make it feel good once all 3 are considered

[real sierra]

yeah its kinda inevitable that languages will have particular things they need addressed

hopefully not too many

does the token counter add tokens based on string length

[tender river]

its not that bad honestly

[fast pagoda]

holy fuk if you download apple's fonts from them they come in .dmg packages with all this bullshit in them only to finally contain .ttf/.otf 30000000 levels in

[real sierra]

probably fine for now

may be a desirable feature but thats entirely language-dependent i realize

[tender river]

language dependent and use case-specific

1395 rust tcount that literally cant be updated
66 line toknt with easy maintenance and extensibility

[real sierra]

how do i build this

[obsidian mantle]

In what language string isnt 1 token and why

[tender river]

sbt

[real sierra]

if string is 1 token then you can put entire code in string and then run it with some library function

avoid entire point of contest

ruin fun for everyone

[real sierra]

how run

[tender river]

run sbt and in sbt enter run a.c