programming

[ashen warren]

but anyway

[real sierra]

stated it in the past so it's not new info

[ashen warren]

I'm not saying it blanketly, but the people i have all worked with have all been somewhat alt reprobates

[solid bough]

I have a chat so long that the chat is laggy

[ashen warren]

Lot of them a little rough when it cam to school but maybe that's hiring practice over literally anything else

[real sierra]

yeah I don't think that's a particularity of being a cybersecurity person

must be some externalities affecting your sample

I've seen those people but they aren't a majority at all

[ashen warren]

mostly red teamers

They're all a bit older too so maybe it was just easier back then too lmao

[obsidian mantle]

What does it mean
Red team blue team

[ashen warren]

red team = break in
blue team = stop break in

[obsidian mantle]

You speaking so many codewords here i feel dumb

[ashen warren]

I think i just have a very skewed sample

[obsidian mantle]

Are you all some super geniuses all working for nasa valve google

[ashen warren]

oh yes i am on the ISS right now

[real sierra]

I'm not a genius lmao

I'm just very stubborn and I apply that to my work

[ashen warren]

actually real

and same

[real sierra]

for better or for worse, I should add

[signal hinge]

Does anyone know what OS neuro runs on?

[real sierra]

[tender river]

nasa too low profile so i'm unemployed

[ashen warren]

kali linux obviously

[real sierra]

she has her own PC so I'd imagine it's Linux if he wants performance

[opaque sigil]

freebsd

[tender river]

no it's not linux lmao

it's windows 11

[real sierra]

win 11?

[cosmic sphinx]

why what whyyy

[real sierra]

do you have a source or is that a guess

[ashen warren]

no it's ubuntu she likes the penguin

[obsidian mantle]

How do you know

Ooh i get it

You work at vedal ai

[cosmic sphinx]

[obsidian mantle]

Neuro cybersecurity

[signal hinge]

We should make an operating system built for Neuro

[real sierra]

I know we saw him develop her on windows but he could be cross compiling

[tender river]

my source is she has game integration and also vedal doesnt know shit about linux

[ashen warren]

vedal comes from a gamedev background so very probably windows

[cosmic sphinx]

even though that was back in the days when bro had 1 pc

and now he has a separate 1 for twins

[real sierra]

well how about I ping and ask and then add the answer to the FAQ

[tender river]

plus windows performance isn't bad compared to linux for neuro's purposes

[rigid snow]

neuro's pc is windows correct
but we don't know if she runs locally

the model i mean

llm

[signal hinge]

True

[cosmic sphinx]

she runs on a 4090, doesnt she

[tender river]

!warn shiro vedal ping

[ashen warren]

Performance -> PyTorch -> Python

[cosmic sphinx]

or a few of them

[real sierra]

@cinder trellis what operating systems does neuro's PC run on? and is that different from what neuro runs on? will add to faq

[ashen warren]

idt it matters

[tender river]

wait another one, what os does shiro run on?

[rigid snow]

actually did it

[cosmic sphinx]

monka vedal ping

[signal hinge]

Crazy

[cinder trellis]

ehh doesn't matter so much

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

trade secret

[opaque sigil]

good answer

[signal hinge]

[cosmic sphinx]

it has to be linux, right?

[cinder trellis]

like it's only windows due to requirements for some things

with wsl2 for some of it though

[cosmic sphinx]

[signal hinge]

What if we built an operating system specifically for Neuro

[cinder trellis]

most of it could run on linux

[signal hinge]

“Most”

[cinder trellis]

evil has some difficulties on linux though

[ashen warren]

not worth it tho

[real sierra]

I'll add to faq anyway with a note that there's no particular reason for it

[cinder trellis]

not with it imo

[signal hinge]

Also would that limit the development and growth of the twins?

[cosmic sphinx]

diff in voice synthesis?

[real sierra]

so it's a career limiting move

[ashen warren]

you're gonna push up against the interpreter for python/whatever before any OS shiz

[cosmic sphinx]

but how would that affect win/linux tho..

[pulsar edge]

if neuro is on windows 11, does she have a microsoft account too?

[rigid snow]

she has a minecraft account so yes

[pulsar edge]

oh true

[cosmic sphinx]

hey, as long as its win 10, its okay

[real sierra]

well anyway there's your answer

[cosmic sphinx]

we wont risk losing neuro and evil with a random windows update

[real sierra]

it won't be in the FAQ so please pass it down to new generations of programming channel users as tribal knowledge

add some error correction bits in case someone tells the story wrong

[obsidian mantle]

How did you learn japanese?
Im doing it rn but im thinking maybe going self-taught without a teacher is a dead end

[pulsar edge]

I will be sure to teach newer generations of your birthday

[olive sable]

Neuro temple os when?

[cosmic sphinx]

#programming lore has been updated...

[tender river]

got it, i'll remember that neuro runs on macos and make sure to correct any mistakes

[ashen warren]

instructions unclear gonna start rewriting pytorch bindings in lua

[opaque sigil]

about that

[rigid snow]

oh do i have something to tell you

[real sierra]

drill hiragana, katakana with an app
once you know both, tae Kim's guide to japanese

ez

then just use it often

[obsidian mantle]

I almost finished kanji damage

[tender river]

learn it through using it

that's the only way

[obsidian mantle]

So its possible

[tender river]

and watching anime with english subtitles doesn't count as using it

[ashen warren]

Genuinely curious, this isn't a dig because it's a valid reason in itself, but why learn japanese? Just weebing or something more?

[real sierra]

in losing my mind, why does this store only sell toilet paper in packs of 30 rolls

[tender river]

well, it does but very little

[solid bough]

The VC went quiet

[tender river]

i know japanese and can confirm it's very useless

[obsidian mantle]

My stores sell 4 packs only and i hate it too

[real sierra]

my reason for learning it was because I wanted something as different from English as possible French seemed too similar and I was bored learning it

[ashen warren]

Good reason

Can confirm that too close to english is 10x more useless

[cosmic sphinx]

like any language

start with the alphabet (hiragana, katakana, move onto kanji when you've memorised the first 2)
then go onto reading, watching jp content with subtitles for translation, in parallel learn about sentence structuring, etc. (use some app like renshuu for that, its cool enough)

personally started doing so myself, but ion have enough time to dedicate, and its a very tough language

[tender river]

i'd go for chinese or german if i wanted something with a practical purpose

[obsidian mantle]

I do japanese hoping it will boost my brain and especially memory
3rd language
Im using russian for mnemonics for kunyomi and english for onyomi works alright i think

[olive sable]

Aight im going to bed

[ashen warren]

Mandarin has been something i wanted to try with at some point

Didn't you say that earlier @olive sable

GN again

[olive sable]

I dont remember

[rigid snow]

like 3 hours ago

[obsidian mantle]

Thanks for advices guys

[olive sable]

I ended up watching anime and then i got stuck on youtube

[opaque sigil]

see you at 3am sam

[olive sable]

Nah i have a test tomoorow at 9am

I need to actually sleep now

[opaque sigil]

good luck

[rigid snow]

gl

[cosmic sphinx]

oh would you look at the time

[olive sable]

Its not a test you can fail on, its more like an aptitude test

[obsidian mantle]

Oh the main concern of mine is that i feel it might be too late
Im not that young

[ashen warren]

that sounds like a test you can fail on

[obsidian mantle]

I hope not too late

[cosmic sphinx]

its never too late to learn anything

even when you're in 60s

[ashen warren]

true it's just easier when you're like before 25

[cosmic sphinx]

fair enough

[rigid snow]

what’s in 60s

[olive sable]

Nah. They dont give you scores. They just tell you "you lowkey suck at this, you gotta work on it or change major"

[opaque sigil]

don't get filtered pls

[cosmic sphinx]

Filtered.

[ashen warren]

Fair enough, get sleep and lol don't get filtered lmao

[stray dragon]

your expiry date

[near ermine]

[olive sable]

Wdym dont get filtered?

[rigid snow]

does that mean i’m already expired

[stray dragon]

how are you alive

[ashen warren]

like, being filtered = skill issue

[rigid snow]

since it has already been 60 seconds

[ashen warren]

don't get told you suck

[obsidian mantle]

If even 60 not the limit then im safe
Not even 30 but closing in

[cosmic sphinx]

we're all in the same boat, more or less

[rigid snow]

yeah no i am already falling apart at 21

[obsidian mantle]

Something changed this year
I used to be super lazy about everything
Now i started moving

[rigid snow]

i am not making it to 60

[ashen warren]

trust me you are not

[opaque sigil]

i forgot what you're studying again but the first couple semesters are designed to filter out most people usually

[ashen warren]

it gets worse

[cosmic sphinx]

im getting ready to mentally fall apart when I have to work first half of the day, study the second half until late evening in uni, sleep for 7 hours max and repeat

[rigid snow]

i know it does

[obsidian mantle]

My falling apart point was exactly at 25 like some books predict

[ashen warren]

only advice i can give is like before you're 25 figure out who you are

and you'll be fine

and even that is a dumb comment in itself because you'll still be fine

[real sierra]

this is why I took uni slower taking longer to graduate makes more sense than annihilating my mental health and passing away

[rigid snow]

oh i know who i am that’s not the issue

issue is health

[ashen warren]

I won't pry but been there

[obsidian mantle]

Dropping out isnt very bad, i got kicked after 2 years and then finished another uni

[ashen warren]

godspeed

[obsidian mantle]

I look back on 1st uni as a good life experience.
It wasnt for nothing

[cosmic sphinx]

unfortunately over here we do not have that option, cannot take time off uni, and personal circumstances dont allow me to take time till I have to start working either..

[ashen warren]

to me, Uni was always more of a place to actually develop my skills in a stable environment and calcify critical thinking more than raw education factor

[rigid snow]

you can take 1 year off

[cosmic sphinx]

in the hellhole we call compulsory service, yeah

[real sierra]

[ashen warren]

You will look back on Uni as a comfortable environment you want to get past, but it's your time to solidify sooo much about you and your skillset outside of lessons

[real sierra]

having tasted work, it is infinitely better than university

[ashen warren]

You won't get a time after Uni where you are not tired, except when unemployed

[real sierra]

I look back on it as a scam that provided no value to me

[ashen warren]

damn dude

different worlds me and you

[real sierra]

like the world's worst most exploitative rubber stamp

[rigid snow]

we live in the same country i know what im talking about bruh, you can take one year off without resetting the service omission thing, i literally did this this very year

[obsidian mantle]

OH SHIT i remember myself not taking a year off because "my parents are old gotta start working early"
Ended up dropoing out and losing 4 years in terms of work-start-age
Also dont think about that
If you feel tired take a break or you migth end up like me

[real sierra]

I've been supporting myself since 18

[cosmic sphinx]

even if I could, theres not much point in doing that other than just finding a workplace, which I'll likely do in parallel with studying anyway

[ashen warren]

for me Uni time built out my portfolio and secured me my first jobs, won't go into any more detail than that but i guess it's clear it's more about forging your own path than having it given to you

[real sierra]

I mean disclaimer I'm still in university

but I secured an internship without the help of my university and am at the stage where they are fully intent on hiring me

but the problem is that HR has a blanket requirement to have a degree

[ashen warren]

That's. a bad practice

[real sierra]

it's the most annoying shit

[cosmic sphinx]

npc hr moment #399310430

[real sierra]

the only thing keeping me from a 250% pay raise

[obsidian mantle]

Did you just go to random companies telling "i want to work for you"
Or did you have portfolio at 18

[real sierra]

is like

a random elective or two

I could get a degree in poetry and still get the job

[ashen warren]

I've never put uni degrees on our requirements unless absolutely necessary, and even then we've still hired people without them as raw skill doesn't translate to degrees

[rigid snow]

what the fuck is a poetry degree

[real sierra]

I don't know, that's the point tho

[ashen warren]

I think modern tech hiring dgaf about degrees tbh beyond entry level grad jobs

[real sierra]

what the degree represents in terms of knowledge is irrelevant

I just have to have one to tick a checkbox

given they've taken me as an intern for the last 5 years I think they understand well my skills by now

[obsidian mantle]

True
Got x50 more info at 3 months of work than through whole uni
But i would never get hired without it

[real sierra]

so it's insane that I need a degree on top

[cosmic sphinx]

you could get a checkbox in some random college that gives them out for $$$
or spend time in an acc decent place where people actually try to give you some knowledge

[real sierra]

or I can work and get knowledge and $$$ at the same time

except that isn't an option and nobody benefits from that fact

[cosmic sphinx]

unfortunately, its not everywhere that the profs want to do their absolute best for students
and the majority of students dont put in effort to study either, creating that atmosphere of 'studying for the sake of it'

[obsidian mantle]

And its rare to get employed before uni or portfolio in anywhere besides mcdonalds

[real sierra]

the rest of my degree consists of literally any course that checks the boxes

[cosmic sphinx]

would you like an entry level job with 1-3+ years of job experience? surely you have it right after finishing uni

[real sierra]

I do

[cosmic sphinx]

[rigid snow]

[cosmic sphinx]

unfortunately I did not take any internships during my bach course, it was much easier to study and complete everything compared to my fellows

and now gotta go in with 0 exp on part-time in the field somehow

[real sierra]

I did it out of necessity, it was the only way to afford being alive

parents didn't pay for anything and student loans said no because they didn't like my grades

[obsidian mantle]

[cosmic sphinx]

bruh

[ashen warren]

it's more common than you'd think

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah, i've had it fairly easier than others for my first 4 years ig

[real sierra]

anyway we should probably talk some programming

doomer hours over

[cosmic sphinx]

its hours

[opaque sigil]

how's the chess api going

[rigid snow]

python good js good cpp good java big suck c very suck

[ashen warren]

One last thing, your path you are on shiro is very similar to my path, you will be alright in the end even if it's bumpy

[cosmic sphinx]

:ew: C

[real sierra]

anyone have any last words for mint candy

[cosmic sphinx]

python best language

good night chat

[rigid snow]

i’m getting band

[ashen warren]

anyway WE HATE GRADLE

[real sierra]

python decent enough

[opaque sigil]

i can't wait for the day i can fully replace python with mojo

it will be glorious

[real sierra]

i dont think theres anything wrong with using python, esp for development or research

[ashen warren]

it's not fast but for the applications it's used for it doesn't need to be

it's just 'easy' to work with

[real sierra]

yea

[ashen warren]

good, established support

[rigid snow]

python would have been great if it shipped with uv and had an actual type system instead of whatever the hell they have

[real sierra]

i think reduced development time is a very reasonable plus if you aren't compute-bound

[ashen warren]

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut if you want a better python, nodejs is right there and has GREAT career prospects

[rigid snow]

true…

[real sierra]

"grr types"
"grr no types"

[opaque sigil]

i just want a statically typed python, is that so much to ask for

[real sierra]

then dont reuse ur variables

[rigid snow]

:Empty: good emote

[ashen warren]

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

[solid bough]

At the 29th to the 3th I don't have to go to work

More time to code then I hope

[ashen warren]

me too, i will be in singapore

so i get a 12 hr flight to do something with

still dunno what

[solid bough]

Damn, that sounds nice, I don't know if it was a great idea to take the PTO days

[ashen warren]

what are you gonna make in that time off you have?

could try a game jam if any are on around then

I cannot remember when GMTK is, don't know if i missed this year's already

[real sierra]

♟️
🫴

[solid bough]

Idk

[solid bough]

I'm not doing game dev again.

not again

[ashen warren]

it's an acquired taste

[solid bough]

I was for a fact in 2 or 3 Game Jams

[obsidian mantle]

I want to become a gamedev

[rigid snow]

no you don’t

[real sierra]

im allergic to using libraries so i am not good at game dev or game jams

[ashen warren]

only advice i have for you is do it

[solid bough]

Are you sure?

[rigid snow]

java developer btw

[obsidian mantle]

Made some mods and couple people played it
I felt happy watching it like i never did

[real sierra]

i write it all myself

the best solution to any problem is the one i make because everyone else did it wrong

[rigid snow]

especially in java

explains why you don’t hate it

[cosmic sphinx]

making mods and making quality games are a slightly different experience in difficulty..

and the process

[obsidian mantle]

i noticed that after trying dive into unity

[cosmic sphinx]

and the complexity...

[ashen warren]

gamedev is genuinely the most rewarding programming experience ever, and also the most soul crushing at the same time

[obsidian mantle]

I hope i manage to do it someday

[ashen warren]

you need to take the good with the bad

https://tenor.com/view/just-do-it-shia-la-beouf-do-it-gif-4531935

damn i can't even gif

[rigid snow]

just don’t make a competitive multiplayer game. everyone will still play but hate you

[rigid snow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/838175096999903242/1363160494202028032/embed.gif

[obsidian mantle]

Ye i wanted singleplayer 3d

[cosmic sphinx]

"damn at this point Skyrim modders will make TES VI with the biggest map ever before Bethesda (skyblivion or wtv its called)"

spoiler: they will not finish it before tes 6

[obsidian mantle]

Hardcore for 1 person

[ashen warren]

Once you get the skills it isn't so bad

but it will take you like 5 years lmao

and a lot of jams

[solid bough]

Yeah, I was 3x in a game jam without really any Game Dev knowledge and limited Python knowledge at 2020, The closest version of my code of my project was meanwhile then just between V2.6 Beta and V1.0 (Before it turned to release versions)

[obsidian mantle]

Having full time job doesn't help either

[cosmic sphinx]

are we sure AI wont be good enough to replace all the junior game devs in 5 years

[obsidian mantle]

...

[ashen warren]

honestly not being mean, but that's not a good excuse

[rigid snow]

not outright replace no

[ashen warren]

if you want to make games, you will make games

[solid bough]

Yeah, True. I'm just generally coding whenever I feel like. I give you that.

[rigid snow]

not until it can test the result itself which i doubt is coming soon

[cosmic sphinx]

if you want to do it as a hobby (or solor business), no1 would stop you
but starting it with a prospect of making cash in some game dev company, you might be wasting your time

[ashen warren]

Sorry should specify that was @obsidian mantle

[solid bough]

pix, that is how the Version looked like before I started doing the Game Jams

[rigid snow]

it’s replacing junior backend devs way sooner

if not already

[solid bough]

it was English only and really just a text converter.

[obsidian mantle]

I will definitely try and try hard

[solid bough]

None of the fancy pants new stuff on the newer versions

[ashen warren]

Start with jams, you won't make the time maybe for your first 2 attempts but it will force the ball rolling

and don't feel bad

[cosmic sphinx]

first mini agents like codex already run the code and attempt to debug it on their own, so thats gonna be gone for backend in 5 years

frontend idk, there might be still a point in trying, but 5 years atp is impossible to predict

[rigid snow]

frontend absolutely no way

as a frontend dev

have you seen how ai generated frontends look

it’s actual garbage

[cosmic sphinx]

unless some breakthru in computer vision and spatial thinking happens

[ashen warren]

AI is very good at boilerplate, anything requiring 2 minutes of actual thought it will struggle and make a mess doing it

[solid bough]

Yeah, I had some fun making the games in a jam ngl.

[ashen warren]

it will replace interns probs, but big companies want employees that turn into seniors and they still hire interns to put them on that path, especially since covid

[rigid snow]

my experience as well

[solid bough]

done editing

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah, thats the main thing
if you cut out all juniors, there wont be anyone to replace middle/senior devs when they start retiring

[ashen warren]

As a rule of thumb any tech company replacing employees with AI has no long term vision, and you will not want to work there

[real sierra]

playing against my chess bot

[rigid snow]

hire middle engs as an entry level pos

easy

[cosmic sphinx]

tldr what hr do now

[rigid snow]

or skill floor for “junior” devs becomes higher

which is more likely tbh

[cosmic sphinx]

and thats why ppl start faking experience, just to get past absurd entry lvl barriers

[obsidian mantle]

[real sierra]

NO

MY QUEEN

[rigid snow]

shiros queen

[cosmic sphinx]

then such companies will start getting more and more underqualified workers, expecting one level, but receiving what you'd expect from a grad

[real sierra]

saved

but lost tempo

queen cant leave this tile tho or my rook is lost to a fried liver

[rigid snow]

is your bot an alcoholic

[real sierra]

WEAIT

I BLUNDERED

MY KNIGHT

[cosmic sphinx]

[real sierra]

[obsidian mantle]

Is it winning

[real sierra]

recapture with bishop

even trade but bishop in a bad spot now

[ashen warren]

This is like radio football

[real sierra]

the position is prety even rn

[cosmic sphinx]

radio chess

[real sierra]

i control the center tho

[obsidian mantle]

[real sierra]

and the bot just threw away a move with a king move

[rigid snow]

microblog chess

[cosmic sphinx]

are you teaching a LLM to play chess

[ashen warren]

Imagining an anime battle scene

[real sierra]

no lol

[sick owl]

Magistral 1.2 just released

[real sierra]

this is a chess bot i wrote

[sick owl]

https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Magistral-Small-2509

[real sierra]

as part of testing the api for the upcoming chess bot contest

[ashen warren]

👀

[cosmic sphinx]

[real sierra]

i blundered a rook

wait

shit

this is really bad

uh oh

[ashen warren]

I need a 4090 💸

[real sierra]

blundered my queen too

[cosmic sphinx]

when LLMs actually start playing chess properly and understanding positions then i will believe in AGI

[obsidian mantle]

Are you playing 1 minute

[real sierra]

15 minute

[obsidian mantle]

Oh ye makes sense you wouldnt be able to chat with 1 min

[real sierra]

blundered the knight too

oh yikes i just got xray'd

[cosmic sphinx]

its not a chatbot over here

[rigid snow]

btw since you were asking about running js i researched how to do node bindings and it’s horrifying

cpp required

bespoke build system

[tender river]

gyp or something

[rigid snow]

yeah

[tender river]

[ashen warren]

My whole stack is local besides LLM. I do RAG, ASR and TTS locally, a good local LLM like this is perfect for me, just need something better than a 3070

[real sierra]

my other rook

am i actually gonna lose

[ashen warren]

Best I can do is 7B Param models rn and even they push up against context limits from the ram requirements

[tender river]

it's shirover

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1377728467025530950/NewLeafAbyss.gif

[cosmic sphinx]

- kasparov while playing deep blue

[real sierra]

checkmate

[cosmic sphinx]

you got cooked by your own creation, thats a good sign

[real sierra]

thats the game pgn

can throw in here https://lichess.org/analysis/standard#1

[ashen warren]

Me downloading malware from the mod so I can witness

/jk obvs

[rigid snow]

fake neurocord user, a real one never admits they’re joking or ragebaiting

[ashen warren]

Idk man some people need hints

Maybe that's trauma

[obsidian mantle]

Ooh
Stockfish is top1 chess engine currently
Thats why you mention it so much

[rigid snow]

go into nn right now and say what you feel about shipping the twins

[ashen warren]

Stockfish is like pre AI boom GOAT

[tender river]

pre ai boom om

[crimson dagger]

Rule 7 tells me to be positive.
So all im going to say is have a nice day and i hate google :)

[cosmic sphinx]

pre ai boom = when ai was called ml

[real sierra]

wholesome and understandable

[ashen warren]

So true

[tender river]

pre ai boom (1950)

[ashen warren]

Hahahaha

[rigid snow]

pre ai

[crimson dagger]

im 100% not dying inside and i hope everyone (besides google) has a great day.

[rigid snow]

oh i’ve dealt with that before

there is a page

where you can submit your website for a rereview

do that

it will go away

[ashen warren]

It is kinda weird I even made that distinction tbh, but you all know what I mean algo stuff has really become bizarrely less impressive since AI replaced stack overflow, code is just different now

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[real sierra]

role

[ashen warren]

Omg I can embed now

[crimson dagger]

Ye i know. But the main reason im not dying inside is because they detected my in progress test site

[rigid snow]

they have some weird heuristics

[ashen warren]

This is a HTTPS thing probs

[rigid snow]

i’ve had this happen on a next-auth login page on one of my deployments

[sick owl]

You can run a good MoE model on a 3070 with CPU offloading for the inactive layers

[real sierra]

[rigid snow]

it’s not it’s ml detection

[real sierra]

my bot has higher elo than i do

[sick owl]

Just use llama.cpp with --n-cpu-moe or --cpu-moe

[ashen warren]

Oh fr? Damn

[sick owl]

And flash attention to save on kv context space

GPT OSS 20B or Qwen 30BA3B should absolutely be in reach

And much better than the 7b model

[rigid snow]

that’s actually crazy

[real sierra]

in fairness my middlegame accuracy was like

[cosmic sphinx]

idk about less impressive
it simply got significantly more popularity among ppl not into data science/ML
even now theres some good progress going on aside from the LLM stuff that we're seeing

[ashen warren]

My main issue has been kv on even 7B Gemma3, context is only like 2k but It dies half way through generation

[real sierra]

7%

but my bot didnt miss a single chance to punish my blunders

[crimson dagger]

Anyways if yall ever decide to make login and signup dont test it onto a side that " public "

[rigid snow]

oh so auth is the common denominator here

weird thing about my particular case

[ashen warren]

I think the floor just opened up, so these days the engineers can make anything, but innovative algo at the top still are impressive

[rigid snow]

i didn’t do password auth, it was purely oauth

still detected phishing

[ashen warren]

Like before I would be stunned sometimes even by someone's approach but these days since the boilerplate will be 50:50 AI you have to look at archi to see if someone knows their shit

[sick owl]

Use flash attention, it massively shrinks your kv cache

If you then use qwen 30ba3b 2507 even the q6-8 versions ought to fit with moe offloading

[ashen warren]

This is new reading for me

Not looked at this before

Could save me

Important thing is latency over accuracy in my use case (baby's first neuro sama)

I've got really clever context engineering but could never cram it in my GPU with the level I needed, if this has low impact on time to first token then we're cooking

[real sierra]

this is insane to me

bot isnt supposed to be this good

[ashen warren]

10 best moves is very impressive in 1024 tokens

[real sierra]

this is a game with 15 minutes of time, so it had plenty of room to think

i cant really play against it with less tho

[ashen warren]

Yeah I suck at chess too

[rigid snow]

i wonder if there's an easy way to evaluate elo

or estimate ig

[ashen warren]

You just run it against other bots for thousands of iterations with elo scoring algo

[rigid snow]

but you have to have bots of every possible elo up until a point

that's not easy

[ashen warren]

Not necessarily, elo is a ranking of a set group

Everybody starts the same and it comes about from comparison to others

[rigid snow]

right but what i mean is you have to have a normal distribution

so

lots of games lots of bots

[real sierra]

yeah elo estimate is pretty hard, i was gonna use stockfish levels as a benchmark

[cobalt sigil]

thr power of algorithm I guess

[ashen warren]

Ohhhh you mean elo right now

[rigid snow]

didn't that kind of happen in the past

or am i misremembering

[ashen warren]

Intel needs a win so maybe a nothing tbh

[rigid snow]

i'm referring to the posts of course not to the algorithm putting them together

[rigid snow]

if i remember correctly they had the cpu and the gpu on one IC

two dies though

for some laptop like forever ago

[ashen warren]

I was gonna say

Intel have been in the gutter ever since Ryzen on consumer hardware

I doubt this is a serious change of pace but more a reapplication of something they had done similar in the past

[rigid snow]

x86 rtx socs are kinda cool though

[ashen warren]

I seriously doubt intel have it in them to make something groundbreaking at this point

But I want to be wrong

And yeah kinda but I think it probably won't be a tight bind, just multiple die like you said

[rigid snow]

i also don't know how that would work logistically, since nvidia is a tsmc customer and intel has their own fabs which are for sure not advanced enough for nvidia designs

i may be wrong

[ashen warren]

Yeah I'm not sure but I think you're right

[rigid snow]

i mean amd does the chiplet thing on their cpus

[ashen warren]

Yeah but they do the whole shebang

[rigid snow]

maybe something similar but still branded as "soc"

[ashen warren]

Oop I got filtered

It could be partial US policy appeasement, TSMC makes some part for final integration in intel facilities

I could see that being logistically feasible I'm pretty sure that's how it goes for some Nvidia parts for drones and stuff

But not usually dies I guess but complete chips

Anyway later here gn

[tender river]

x86 rtx

[sage crag]

yes its called elo

funnily enough

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

"easy"

[sage crag]

glicko 2 better anyway

phrr

[rigid snow]

nvidia should rebrand rtx to ntx at this point

who cares about those stupid rays when you have AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI NEURAL TENSOR AI

is it weird that i like how the new iphones look

it grew on me so much

[amber fractal]

Most of Nvidia's RT is NTX anyways

[rigid snow]

yeah that's what i'm saying

[amber fractal]

It takes a bit, reminded me of how people have transparent terminals in their linux rices

[sick owl]

Go for Qwen 30BA3B 2507 Instruct

Since you won't want reasoning in that case

[sick owl]

Shame about the software

Could say that any modern Apple device tbh

[rigid snow]

what's wrong with it

[sick owl]

Great hardware, shame about the stuff running on it

[sick owl]

Not nearly as stable as it used to be, locked down with anti consumer practices out the wazoo

Behind the curve in features where it used to be the cutting edge

[rigid snow]

stability comes and goes, they do feature releases and accumulate bugs, then they do stability releases

to fix all of those

that's just what they've been doing it with ios for the past 8 years

[rigid snow]

this is just not true and you know it

they have been behind in terms of software features always

[sick owl]

Iphone used to be way ahead of the curve feature wise compared to the competition

Then in the 2010s they started to lag a bit

Now with the AI boom they've dropped off a cliff compared to Google and Samsung

[rigid snow]

yeah like the control center being added in 2014 with ios 7 when every android phone has had quick settings since 2011

like i'm genuinely asking, what features have they been ahead with?

[sick owl]

I'm talking the first few gens here

[rigid snow]

dude lmao

first few gens had NOTHING

[silent cloak]

Android has sentenced their own death recently

so both suck now

[tender river]

[sick owl]

I mean it's a terrible thing but it's still better than IOS because you can self-sign your installs for free at least

[tender river]

will die any second now

[sick owl]

And the competition had less than nothing by comparison

[rigid snow]

???

[sick owl]

I say this as a guy who was using the competition

[silent cloak]

we need competition

i used to convince EVERYONE to move to android

all my friends and ex girlfriends

but now idk what to say

[sick owl]

Worst case scenario just switch to a custom ROM

[silent cloak]

right now the best option is to buy an unlocked pixel and do just that

[sick owl]

Dude, the early versions of Android were dreadful and don't get me started on Java smartphones

[silent cloak]

i crave for the day of having smartphones buildable like gaming computers

[sick owl]

I had a Samsung Jet holy shit that was bad

[silent cloak]

Droid Razr was fire

the bootup screen was so fucking epic

phone was like $200-300 at the time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jE0T0lV7b8

back when phones were cool

[sick owl]

I never clicked with Android in those days even though I did still use it over iOS

[silent cloak]

i used an iphone once

[sick owl]

It just felt a little undercooked by comparison

[silent cloak]

never again

[rigid snow]

what were you missing? first few gens had:

• a good web browser, ok, competition did not have that
• a music player
• texting
• calling
• email
• native apps later
• video recording later
  that's pretty much the extent of the features

[silent cloak]

yeah everytime id boot my phone i got this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_dN-qQ_xwXw

this was technically my first smart phone if u dont count a blackberry

[sick owl]

Stability, better web browsing like you said, the first app store in the modern sense a couple in and exponentially superior UX

[rigid snow]

ux is arguably still superior

[silent cloak]

apple users unable to install custom sounds

[sick owl]

Ima disagree lmao

[silent cloak]

no clue if thats still the case but it was for the longest time

[sage crag]

what da hell happened to

the icon

[silent cloak]

id point and laugh at em

[sage crag]

ruined icon

[silent cloak]

pacman icon

[sick owl]

Okay, it depends on the Android phone but at the very least Google Pixels have far superior UX these days in my opinion

[silent cloak]

the beauty of android is u can install whatever ux u want

with apple u have to drop to your knees and cope because u cant with their stuff

[rigid snow]

sending thoughts and prayers to those still unable to install itunes onto their pc for 17 years now

[silent cloak]

its a joke that its needed

[rigid snow]

there was a workaround

[tender river]

ghostty?

[silent cloak]

it existed to just gate keep

[opaque sigil]

yeah they changed it with 1.2, i miss the old one

[rigid snow]

you could (can) drop mp3s into garageband and install as ringtone from there

[silent cloak]

thats how my old friends used to do it

still an L that its needed

or u would have to do a shitty mic recording

[sick owl]

Well, at any rate we all know that in those days the Nintendo DS and DSi were the superior web browsing devices

[rigid snow]

ipad clears sorry not sorry

[sick owl]

Cap

[silent cloak]

i had myself a nook instead of an ipad

and eventually a fire tablet

[sick owl]

Nothing beats the majesty of the Nintendo DS web browser on a cartridge

[silent cloak]

modded wii web browsing

[rigid snow]

nah, the ipad in those days of the internet was magic, outside of no flash support

especially if you got the cellular model

[sick owl]

But did its web browser come on a cartridge?

That's what I thought

[rigid snow]

no

[silent cloak]

bonus style points

[sick owl]

Oh damn, tell you another feature that I was thinking of but forgot to mention in the case of apple on the cutting edge

Siri

Ironic how far behind they are in that market segment now

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[sick owl]

Oh it was crap don't get me wrong but it was genuinely groundbreaking

[silent cloak]

na microsoft literally did it in the 90s

for a tech demo

[sick owl]

That's being generous lmao

[rigid snow]

can't speak on that because here in russia uhhhhh

we speak russian not english

[silent cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V_0xDUg0h0

[sick owl]

Siriaren't

[silent cloak]

a classic video

i saw this back in the day

[sick owl]

Wait hang on why did my 1:30 a.m. brain think Syria was an appropriate pun in this situation lmao

Zero contextual relevance

[rigid snow]

and it wasn't until like 2015 that it started supporting russian and by then siri has already started degrading

[sick owl]

Oh if you see all the weird typos that's because I'm currently training the stt model on my pixel 10 btw

[silent cloak]

lmao

[sick owl]

These voice typing models on the newer pixels are very nice but take a bit of time to get good

[rigid snow]

are you implying you're dictating the messages out loud

[sick owl]

I'm currently talking out loud, yes

I despise mobile keyboards

[rigid snow]

oh yeah btw one feature that apple is ahead with

[rigid snow]

the dictation is really good

[sick owl]

Use em in public but only because I have to

Or when I need really fine grained control like SSH sessions

[silent cloak]

apple summarize feature is ahead for being fucking funny

[rigid snow]

stt ssh session

[sick owl]

But for just chat room conversations like this speech to text any day of the week

[sick owl]

Microsoft would have you believe that's the future of programming

[sick owl]

Modern classic

[sick owl]

It's crazy how botched Apple Intelligence was and is

[rigid snow]

i have a funny one with apple intelligence but server rules

[silent cloak]

one of the best

[sick owl]

Top 10 motivational quotes

Man I love the onion

[sick owl]

I really don't understand the use case for these because in what world is a text too long for you to just skim over

[sick owl]

I can't remember the last time I didn't just read the whole text on a notification

[silent cloak]

short attention spans

its to brainwash people further

[rigid snow]

i have those on for email on my macbook

[silent cloak]

get people used to quick dopamine addictions

[sick owl]

It makes more sense for emails where they're longer and it's basically just a better subject line

[silent cloak]

also speaking of siri

[sick owl]

It baffles me how bad Siri is compared to Gemini

[real sierra]

programming

im back from human trials

[silent cloak]

happy birthday

[real sierra]

tragedy

[sick owl]

I mean Gemini can do multi-step actions across apps

Meanwhile, Siri still doesn't respond to most queries dynamically

[rigid snow]

they're too locked in on local

[silent cloak]

thanks apple

[rigid snow]

which is good

[sick owl]

Even in terms of local capabilities Gemini Nano blows Siri out of the water

[silent cloak]

they should stay on local

[rigid snow]

yeah i'm not arguing it doesn't

[silent cloak]

last thing we need is more data collection

[sick owl]

Admittedly, Google does have a bit of an unfair advantage given deepmind is under its umbrella

Kind of bringing a rocket launcher to a knife fight as far as the smartphone market is concerned there

[real sierra]

my music performed great

[silent cloak]

what about this

[sick owl]

The word that the speech to text model on this phone has learned most accurately so far is Neuro and that makes me happy

[silent cloak]

classic

[rigid snow]

here's what this bucket of bolts does for me. it literally can't answer anything it just defers to google 100% of the time. yes i have apple intelligence enabled. yes I HAVE CHATGPT INTEGRATION ENABLED.

[silent cloak]

shatgpt

[sick owl]

You just going to let them drop a slur like that Shiro

[sick owl]

It really is startlingly antiquated

[silent cloak]

LMAO

[sick owl]

Thanks for the warning, I guess

[sick owl]

You could argue it's actually doing a great job in this one

[sick owl]

Good to know

[silent cloak]

its as shite as google ai

[sick owl]

Google AI is quite good though

Oh unless you mean AI overview lol

[sick owl]

Yeah you mean AI overview I realised that after

It's actually shocking to me how bad it is when Gemini is so good

[silent cloak]

actually this summarizes it better

[sick owl]

Hey they never specified which doctors

[silent cloak]

IM DYING LAUGHINJG

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1212937424062119967.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=nuhuh~1

[silent cloak]

LMAOOOOOO

THE FUTURE IS HERE FOR AI

[sick owl]

This one has to be edited right

[silent cloak]

no lmaoo

[rigid snow]

oh btw is that not liquid glass? good job apple

[sick owl]

Okay, more importantly, why was the person searching that to begin with?

[rigid snow]

to bait it into reading the top search result

[real sierra]

[sick owl]

The best part of liquid glass is how it drops a tactical nuke on the performance of all last gen devices

Very cool

[rigid snow]

it's actually been very ok for me

[sick owl]

I've heard some horror stories but maybe you lucked out

In fairness, I think most of the horror stories were from two gen's back rather than one as well

Gen not jen you stupid text-to-speech model

[rigid snow]

i expected worse and it was way worse on developer beta

but dev betas are always horrible perf

[sick owl]

I feel bad now I'm sorry text-to-speech model that was uncalled for

Also, you're a speech to text model so it seems like I was hallucinating too

[real sierra]

why does google ai actually reply to stuff like this 🥀

[sick owl]

Hey you never know

[real sierra]

the ISP looking at the search history of the guy roleplaying with google ai:

[sage crag]

ye catUuh

[sick owl]

You just know at least one person considers Google AI overview their AI girlfriend

[rigid snow]

in fairness, I think most of the horror stories were from two Jan’s back rather than one as well

ok i boasted about how apples stt was way better but not in this case i guess

oh and btw my phone is a 13 mini

so like

[sick owl]

Certain words are just hard for these models

[rigid snow]

5 gens back

[sage crag]

i pressed ai mode and it brought me here, i didnt finish typing

[sick owl]

I do like that you can say edits out loud and it will apply them on Google's though

Like using natural language

[sage crag]

:mhm:

[silent cloak]

search: "what doth life"

https://tenor.com/view/xavier-renegade-angel-xra-xavier-frittata-xillions-gif-10799831636939125751

[sick owl]

I've never used Google AI mode what even is it?

[real sierra]

u could give it the api header file

[sick owl]

Its genuinely an enigma to me

[sage crag]

why would i do that

[sick owl]

It just sits there staring at me and I never click it

[silent cloak]

its a giant waste of money

[real sierra]

im kinda curious what it chooses to put in the bot

[rigid snow]

we have this i guess

[real sierra]

even if the code is garbage

i wanna see what it tries to add

[sage crag]

i would send you a link but its got so much tracking data in it im not sure i can without leaking everything about me

[silent cloak]

imagine not having url cleaning

[sick owl]

I hecking love share.google links

[real sierra]

leaked holy

[sick owl]

Hey, at least amp is dead

[real sierra]

are u sure thats wise

[sick owl]

Got to look on the bright side

[sage crag]

its a google search link

[real sierra]

modern deblurring is pretty good with ai

oh

[sage crag]

deblur it then

[sick owl]

Let me ask nano banana and see how badly it hallucinates

[real sierra]

paste into text box in ms paint

download as jpg

[sage crag]

bot

[real sierra]

thats how i figured out google ai is weak to prompt injection

[silent cloak]

who tf is using .avif and .bmp

[sage crag]

literally me

[silent cloak]

why

random ass formats

[sage crag]

avif good format, bmp useful format for low effort images

[sick owl]

Dammit it's too good

[silent cloak]

just feels like legacy support

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

avif is very much not legacy

lol

[silent cloak]

i never see anyone use it in the real world

besides by accident

[sage crag]

you have now

and bmp is just bitmap

[opaque sigil]

big avif ruined jpeg xl support

[silent cloak]

how do i know ur in the real world

[sage crag]

a gif is a collection of bitmaps

[sick owl]

Avif is the opposite of legacy

[sage crag]

everything uses bitmaps, just memory resident

[rigid snow]

you have to blur????

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-impressive-very-nice-coping-patrick-bateman-gif-26518058

[opaque sigil]

fun fact, you can now use animated avifs for discord emotes

[sage crag]

✅

[sick owl]

Sadge

[silent cloak]

gif still holds up

[sage crag]

lol

[silent cloak]

decently

[sage crag]

lolll

gif has 256 colours

[sick owl]

Won't somebody shed a tear for webp?

[rigid snow]

why is this chat going so fast

[sage crag]

its such a bad format

[silent cloak]

jpg's disabled cousin

[real sierra]

you know

[sage crag]

i will take a webp over a jpeg any day

[sick owl]

I don't actually

[real sierra]

all it wrote was the UCI protocol and no actual chess bot

but i think it wrote it better than i did

[sage crag]

loll

[real sierra]

theres so many more safety checks

[sick owl]

[silent cloak]

sad

truly sad

[sage crag]

safety check is for people with code that can make errors

[silent cloak]

you're banned from using an IDE

[sick owl]

Its looking grim for junior devs

[rigid snow]

why are we less dead than nn what happened

[real sierra]

trueeeeeeeee

[silent cloak]

using memory unsafe language

[sick owl]

Expert level yapping

[sick owl]

What is this creature

[sage crag]

ebat

[sick owl]

I see

[sage crag]

ye doesnt change anything

[rigid snow]

master lever ragebait

[sage crag]

logic error wont be saved my memory safety

[tender river]

not the best naming in a chat with 3 active russians om

[silent cloak]

thanks im a master ranked

[sage crag]

yes i was told previously

[sick owl]

I dun geddit

[silent cloak]

on the rage bait leaderboard

[rigid snow]

are you scared of a swear

[tender river]

no

[sage crag]

chipi

[silent cloak]

rust users when they get dementia (their memory is no longer safe)

[sage crag]

vs1.ico

webp

webp demonstration

avif

[rigid snow]

good demo

[sage crag]

avif demonstration

[silent cloak]

u guys want rage bait?

https://tenor.com/view/vpn-https-me-showing-vpn-users-the-https-protocol-nordvpn-gif-25060532

[rigid snow]

this is true and factual

no ragebait

[tender river]

disabling vpn right now

[silent cloak]

fact checked by true and real swarm members

[real sierra]

chayyyyyyy

[tender river]

shiroooo

[real sierra]

is my bot gonna be over the token limit after your upgrades

[tender river]

[real sierra]

does it make macros count for way more than they did

[sage crag]

phrr

[tender river]

[sage crag]

yes

it does

[sick owl]

I geddit now

[sage crag]

i gonna win by default

[sick owl]

It means to screw right

[rigid snow]

right

[silent cloak]

what is everyones favorite language here

[tender river]

none

i hate them all

[rigid snow]

mandarin chinese

[sage crag]

im going to make deepseek write a bot

[tender river]

chat how do you use scala on nixos theres gotta be like at least 8 scala devs in here currently right

[silent cloak]

maybe .8

[sage crag]

interesting start

[rigid snow]

theres gotta be like at most 8 scala devs in the world currently right

[silent cloak]

real

[opaque sigil]

I was actually thinking about the same earlier, haven't bothered actually looking into it though

[rigid snow]

just use https protocol

[sage crag]

how long do you think i can get deepseek to think

[tender river]

it used to think more

they changed it not to produce walls of text

i think

[rigid snow]

it's a different model

it was R1 now it's V3.1 but thinking mode

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

i moved myself to the inactive vc and discord said it did it for me

[sage crag]

famous megacorp linux torvalds

linux torvalds

[silent cloak]

fr

[sage crag]

im tired

[tender river]

nixpkgs is a monorepo

monorepos dont always make sense tho

they do sometimes

[sage crag]

its also an abomination

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

ok but monorepos are based. bad ragebait

[opaque sigil]

I wanted to make a flake for browsing the linux kernel yday and quickly ended up with 100gb of linux source code in my nix store

[sage crag]

this should not happen

[silent cloak]

how about this one

[tender river]

ok do i use mill or sbt

[opaque sigil]

wtf is mill

[rigid snow]

what does this even mean

[silent cloak]

input validation

[sick owl]

I would not hold it against a person to rely entirely on chat gpt for regex

[sage crag]

1 person with 100k commits to nixpkgs

[silent cloak]

tbh its something its actually good for

[tender river]

automated updates

[sage crag]

how is this allowed to exist

[silent cloak]

given its pattern recognition

[rigid snow]

input validation is tedious

[tender river]

its a bot that bumps the src link/hash and version

then a human checks that it still works fine

and merges it

[sage crag]

dependency graph

deepseek still thinking by the way

[opaque sigil]

nixpkgs do be wild

[sage crag]

oh it stopped

[tender river]

i've talked to an expert and they said mill is simpler and faster but sbt is the standard

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

I've only ever used sbt so idk

[tender river]

sbt it is

[silent cloak]

looks like minified js code

[sage crag]

@real sierra

#include "bitboard.h"
#include <stdbool.h>

int e(Board*b){int s=0;s+=100*(popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,PAWN))-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,PAWN)));s+=320*(popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,KNIGHT))-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,KNIGHT)));s+=330*(popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,BISHOP))-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,BISHOP)));s+=500*(popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,ROOK))-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,ROOK)));s+=900*(popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,QUEEN))-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,QUEEN)));s+=20000*(popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,WHITE,KING))-popcount(chess_get_bitboard(b,BLACK,KING)));return s;}

int m(Board*b,int d,int a,int c,bool t){if(!d)return e(b);Move*v;int n;v=chess_get_legal_moves(b,&n);if(!n){chess_free_moves_array(v);return chess_in_check(b)?(t?-1e6:1e6):0;}int r=t?-1e6:1e6;for(int i=0;i<n;i++){chess_make_move(b,v[i]);int s=m(b,d-1,a,c,!t);chess_undo_move(b);if(t){if(s>r)r=s;if(r>a)a=r;if(a>=c)break;}else{if(s<r)r=s;if(r<c)c=r;if(a>=c)break;}}chess_free_moves_array(v);return r;}

int main(){Board*b=chess_get_board();Move mv;int bs=-1e9;long t=chess_get_time_millis()/30;Move*v;int n;v=chess_get_legal_moves(b,&n);for(int d=1;chess_get_elapsed_time_millis()<t;d++){int cs=-1e9;Move cm;for(int i=0;i<n;i++){chess_make_move(b,v[i]);int s=-m(b,d-1,-1e9,1e9,0);chess_undo_move(b);if(s>cs){cs=s;cm=v[i];}}bs=cs;mv=cm;}chess_push(mv);chess_done();chess_free_moves_array(v);chess_free_board(b);return 0;}

[rigid snow]

minified = optimized for token count

[tender river]

llm ye

[sage crag]

yes this seems like a common mistake with llms

they dont understand the difference between minimising characters and minimising tokens

it didnt even include chessapi.h

[real sierra]

[tender river]

[real sierra]

?

[tender river]

go back to sleep

[sage crag]

deepseek bot

you should run it

[sick owl]

I mean it's kind of like asking us to work with embeddings right

[real sierra]

wtf that evaluation function looks like mine

[sick owl]

Characters are just kind of a fundamentally alien thing for a language model

[silent cloak]

yeah run this code on ur bare hardware

ring 0

[real sierra]

it even frees the stuff it allocated at the end

how responsible

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

shiro doesnt free memory confirmed

[sage crag]

shimo if this bot works you have to delete your account

[rigid snow]

this was my idea btw, to create a script that compiles a prompt, reads the pre generated seed and sends that to claude or somethign. the output is the bot i submit

[real sierra]

its so over

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

ai is gonna win the contest

[sage crag]

i think that's the point :mhm:

[silent cloak]

you wont be allowed to use an IDE as long as u live

[real sierra]

chayleaf please fix

entire contest hinges on chayleaf fixing tcount

[tender river]

progress

i downloaded sbt

[silent cloak]

i know a good prank for a big company

get hired as IT

[real sierra]

thats what someone says before they describe a crime

[silent cloak]

and ban stackoverflow network wide

[rigid snow]

nobody uses that directly nowadays

they have ai search for them

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-minions-popcorn-day-laugh-gif-5026739

[real sierra]

im nobody

i use AI for almost nothing

because so many people shove ai in my face 24/7 that it pisses me off

[rigid snow]

i am nobody too then

[silent cloak]

AI is slop and i dont use it for anything that involves problem solving

[sage crag]

the best use of ai is what im currently doing

funny gimmick

[silent cloak]

its literally a distillation model

[sick owl]

wtf