programming

[fast pagoda]

there

it's actually not all sitters but still that was a lotta packages

aint no way

i preferred gh on site wayyy back in the day when i fought with git all the time

[sour lotus]

Ermagash finally! Coming from a country where 10mb is the norm, this blows my mind

[fast pagoda]

lazygit is nice

[sour lotus]

😅 dont know why the image is so huge sorry

[fast pagoda]

yoo

nice

[real sierra]

omg

it even has letters in the corner

[fast pagoda]

that must feel incredible

[real sierra]

in case you forgor

[fast pagoda]

yeah and you press ? at any point

interactive menu which is context aware with all commands

you can click on the branch/worktree if u want or just hit 1/2/3/4 to select an area w/e

[real sierra]

perfect for someone like me with less brainpower than a ti84

ok i bed

[fast pagoda]

otsukaresama desu

[trim valve]

👋

[fast pagoda]

i need to disappear to get some form of sleep as well or i will pass into the void

gn yall now i wont be clogging ur chat

[dry charm]

if you don't want CLI, you can use something like github desktop for gitkraken. there are bunch of desktop git apps

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[maiden geyser]

morbing

[trim valve]

@real sierra I have both good news and bad news about the latest fuzzing run

Score of rust-chess-bot (release) (a) vs rust-chess-bot (release) (b): 5590 - 5654 - 88756 [0.500]
100000 of 100000 games finished.

Player: rust-chess-bot (release) (a)
   "Draw by 3-fold repetition": 81961
   "Draw by fifty moves rule": 712
   "Draw by insufficient mating material": 4153
   "Draw by stalemate": 1930
   "Loss: Black mates": 2847
   "Loss: White mates": 2807
   "Win: Black makes an illegal move: e8c8": 1
   "Win: Black makes an illegal move: e8g8": 1
   "Win: Black mates": 2738
   "Win: White mates": 2850

on one hand, it did 99,998 games without crashing

on the other hand, black got unlucky and played two illegal moves 😭

both of which seem to potentially be trying to castle

(sadly I do not have the pgn of either game, just know that they exist)

[olive sable]

A

[trim valve]

also these perft results don't inspire confidence

0: 1 (done in 60ns)
1: 20 (done in 7.45µs)
2: 400 (done in 28.581µs)
3: 8903 (done in 465.949µs)
4: 197282 (done in 9.812143ms)
5: 4865460 (done in 238.386248ms)
6: 119047203 (done in 5.820904955s)
7: 3195714202 (done in 154.238689357s)

(should be)

[midnight sigil]

most efficient way to document an struct no cap

[olive sable]

thats based

[sage crag]

thats the same for stockfish too

hence your bot is as good as stockfish

[obsidian mantle]

Why is stockfish a benchmark

Is it under 1k tokens?

[rigid snow]

dead chat

[hollow spruce]

audio was terrible

[rigid snow]

who THE FUCK at apple decided that mixing in iphone apps into the fucking app list was a good idea

[trim valve]

surely there is a way to turn that off

[hollow spruce]

Hmmn

[rigid snow]

i found it but would've been nice to have them still be searchable

[hollow spruce]

MacBook apps

AreSoo synchronise

[trim valve]

huh?

like you don't want them to show up unless you search?

[rigid snow]

there is this thing

[rigid snow]

yeah i want the app list to be the list of apps installed on my mac since they removed the launchpad or whatever it was called

for it to be like that

[trim valve]

fair

[hollow spruce]

I will try making any charter in graph

[rigid snow]

this icon is so stupid

how it used to look, for reference

apple massively falling off

[opaque sigil]

how does that first icon even make any sense

[olive sable]

well you see, disk utility

and a disk is a shape

you know what else is a shape? a hexagon

do you know what a hexagon is used for? bolts

and do you know what bolts are tightened with? wrenches

and disk utility is basicly somewhat related to repairing liek how you repair stuff with a wrench

[rigid snow]

repairing apple branded hexagons

[sage crag]

take to genius bar

[rigid snow]

genius bar recycle your device and sell you new one for discount disguised as repair

[sage crag]

only apple technician can help you repair Apple® iHexagon®

[ivory plinth]

True

[trim valve]

I am more than tempted to try and write a tiny little pxls backend in rust or something

because there seem to be serveral questionable choices with the java backend idk

[rigid snow]

things that need to scale like that should be the first to riir

[amber fractal]

727,727 does need to be in an entirely different system in case someone decided to start meming.
-# early send due to mobile

[rigid snow]

are the coordinates 10 pixels below the center of the osu logo on all canvases

[trim valve]

ngl the biggest thing that pains me is the postgres database write on every pixel placed

[rigid snow]

WHAT

WHY

[rigid snow]

[amber fractal]

Surely it was for "an accurate log"

[trim valve]

even then you can batch

[rigid snow]

that should be handled separately

or store userid with the pixel data

[trim valve]

like all this needs is a a bunch of connection handlers, a queue of incoming placments and a worker on that queue that writes occasionally

[amber fractal]

Or even just an in ram database to go fast and batch from there if you need to

[trim valve]

yeah you see

it does have an in memory database as well

just every write instantly goes into the db

[rigid snow]

does this at least not block

[amber fractal]

[rigid snow]

because it's a lambda, maybe it's in a separate thread? maybe...? please....?

[rigid snow]

wait no it can't be function signature is Integer

that's crazy

who designed that

[trim valve]

I'm genuinely so suprised noone has rewritten this

because like this is a trivial thing to optimize the hell out of surely???

[amber fractal]

Instead they have undercooked frontends

[rigid snow]

backends too apparently

[trim valve]

I can't talk, I'm worse at frontends

[amber fractal]

Just make it modular and offer theme support, it is not that hard

[trim valve]

all I know is the sheer amount of "the backend died" this canvas were far too high

like a pxls instance should not be dying with 1000 active players

[amber fractal]

First day there was no audio slider at all, hardcoded 100% volume

[rigid snow]

the problem with these kinds of projects is if an actual frontend engineer works on them people will be like "le <frontend framework name> is problem you're at fault for bloated web we don't need your fancy crap"

"go die" or something

[amber fractal]

htmlx, the ultimate no u

[rigid snow]

do you mean htmx or is that something i'm not awware of

[amber fractal]

Yeah htmx

I forget my exact names

[rigid snow]

please don't use htmx for a pixel canvas frontend

that would be like an ACTUALLY bad ux

[amber fractal]

Now that I'm thinking about it, the canvas object would die on contact

[rigid snow]

you can make it work probably

with custom js

[trim valve]

just use a massive html table

[rigid snow]

3fps

[amber fractal]

locked out due to out of ram

[trim valve]

ngl you could even do some nice stuff with refunds if you made it all into a queue

[rigid snow]

tbh wouldn't be a problem if the sound effects wouldn't have been literal 0dB square waves/pwm at like -2 LUFS

instant deafness

[amber fractal]

The cursed solution I'm considering is live patching an image file. I'd not recommend that tho.
I am part of the problem yep

[trim valve]

like have each placement be ```rust
struct PlacePixel {
color: u8,
command_at: Instant,
}

and then when the queue finally gets processed if `pixel.command_at > incoming.command_at` just refund the user ig

[rigid snow]

ehhhh it is kind of how canvas works

except the image file is wrapped with an api

ever right click -> save image on a <canvas>?

[amber fractal]

Nope, haven't tried that before

[rigid snow]

some websites just override right click or disable pointer events on canvases

but that is the default behavior for them

[trim valve]

this probably introduces some shenanegans with clientside prediction but w/e

surely with a competent architecture you're only gonna have to be waiting for ping and barely any actual processing time

[rigid snow]

you're thinking of optimistic updates, any reason to do them in the first place?

or am i misunderstanding

why have command_at if they are in order in the queue

[trim valve]

oh true

[rigid snow]

and it would not be a "refund" if it fails

[trim valve]

yeah then both just happen in their own time

fair enough

[amber fractal]

The frontend should just say "nope, didn't work"

if only the same color and pos

[trim valve]

nah

because as far as the frontend is concerned someone changed the colour after you did

[rigid snow]

just don't do optimistic

bad idea

[trim valve]

I think optimistic can be fine here

because worst case it gets rejected

actually no

[rigid snow]

show the not yet processed pixel in a loading state

at least

[trim valve]

I guess

but on the other hand if it does get changed surely that wouldn't matter

I should probably yoink the diagram for this one ngl

[amber fractal]

The current board has green (succeed) and red (failure) response outlines

[rigid snow]

yeah i like that approach

and it has loading state too

[trim valve]

I mean I'm just gonna try and make something compatible with the default frontend if I do

or I guess I could chuck together a budget frontend so there's less silly rules

[rigid snow]

to me it seems like the actual <canvas> part is the hardest on the frontend side

but i do frontend so

[trim valve]

even then is it not just a canvas that paints squares and can be zoomed

[amber fractal]

That and any overlays people have

[rigid snow]

yeah but then you have zooming and panning and overlays

if you want to do it correctly at least

[trim valve]

ok but surely overlays aren't much more complicated?

[rigid snow]

you can get away with moving and zooming with css but it would not be a good ux

[trim valve]

also can we get msaa for the frontend pls okthxbai

[rigid snow]

probably not if you have the "correct" way set up?

because if it's just a 1000x1000 <canvas> you can't do overlays

[trim valve]

?

why not

[rigid snow]

because they require higher res

[trim valve]

?

[amber fractal]

overlays are more dense to have numbers or symbols

[trim valve]

the canvas gets a scaled view of everything

you are not scaling the canvas

[rigid snow]

right, that's what i mean by "correct"

1000x1000 is the res of the canvas, the <canvas> should be the res of the viewport

[trim valve]

we need better terminology

[rigid snow]

confusing stuff why can't they be named differently

ok so basically <canvas> is an html element which acts the same as <img> but you can render to it from js

[hollow spruce]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm mMMmMMMm

I think some
Mess up with Lenv

[trim valve]

ye, am aware

[rigid snow]

you should not directly mirror the state of the canvas to that <canvas>, it being x1000px and all

rather that <canvas> should be the size of the browser viewport

and you scale and pan in the rendering code

[trim valve]

I don't think I can even be accurate down to a pixel with my mouse lol

don't get me wrong I should be able to but something somewhere disagrees sometimes

[rigid snow]

i have my mouse at 3000 dpi on 1080p

every time someone uses my pc they are shocked

or was it 3200

you get the idea

no problems hovering over a single pixel

[trim valve]

lmao what

I was checking my mouse settings to double check my dpi

100ms delay on my bhops

yes please

[rigid snow]

[trim valve]

wait no

not quite that bad

but still

[rigid snow]

accidental jumping is an actual issue though

[trim valve]

ye I run 800dpi

[amber fractal]

I belive I'm at 800dpi when I'm not using trackpad

[rigid snow]

especially in a game like cs where everyone feels obligated to bind their scroll wheel to jump because they're the coolest person on earth who definitely for sure knows what air strafing is and isn't doing it because they feel like they have to because their favorite pro player does the same

[trim valve]

but then 10 sens in windows

[trim valve]

I mean

I do bhop in games where it does something

cs is not one of those games for me

[rigid snow]

yeah

you can but it's not consistent

[trim valve]

anything quake like however

:3

[stark needle]

Chat i might actually be genuinely cooked

I applied for a job position in Software engineering where they do java development

[rigid snow]

either way you start scrolling before you hit the ground so that's not that big of a deal i think

[trim valve]

ig

fair enough

I just like not having random points that throw latency into what I'm doing

[stark needle]

And the company had asked me what my career goals are

And i told them ML. They said fair enough and now i have an interview with the company's CTO and director of R&D ML research

[trim valve]

god bless open fortress

actually such a fun game at lan

[stark needle]

I might be genuinely extremely cooked

[trim valve]

though for some reason its really hard to explain bhopping to people who've never done it before

[rigid snow]

no but that's cool though, if they like you enough you're in

that's not a random recruiter you're talking to

[rough bloom]

nah, you're fine probably, it just means they're interested

you'd be cooked if they just put you into some random Java position

as in, web dev or maintaining some legacy non-ML-related app

[stark needle]

So it's a good sign?

[rigid snow]

definitely

[rough bloom]

Very

[rigid snow]

important people are taking their time to talk to you

[stark needle]

Why tf would the head of r&d and cto contact me tho 😭😭

Like isn't interviews supposed to be with HR

[trim valve]

beacuse they're interested ??

[rough bloom]

no, having technical people on interviews is normal
having the CTO isn't but either that's their policy or something or they're genuinely that interested

[amber fractal]

Shadow, as a person of the same type as you. Your not giving yourself enough credit

[stark needle]

I saw they have a research org on HuggingFace

So is it likely not for a java Position im applying?

[rough bloom]

they don't necessarily have to give you an offer for the position you applied for if they have one open elsewhere (as long as you agree, obviously)

assuming you already talked with them once

[amber fractal]

You probably applied to a java pos, but ended up at an ML pos (Same as above)

[stark needle]

I mean I'm fine doing java

[amber fractal]

It is your choice, I'd recommend the ML position as it is what your interest is in

[rigid snow]

you have actual (not job) experience in ml and (probably) have actual stuff you've done to show them if you're concerned about proving your ability
as for the interview itself when i see important people like that on interviews it's usually half interview half vibe check in my experience

[stark needle]

Wym half vibe check

[stark needle]

I do have 2y job experience in ML at google

[rigid snow]

seeing if you actually want to do ml, how good of a fit you are to the team and generally fitting company's goals, and how much they personally like you

[rigid snow]

what i mean is experience outside of job experience

not that job experience isn't real experience or that it doesn't matter or you don't have it

[stark needle]

I see

[rigid snow]

e.g. in SV it's common to hire engineers based almost entirely on how much they like you

[stark needle]

Bruh no way

[rigid snow]

i understand you're not applying for a SV startup but that still kind of happens

[stark needle]

So like

Will i likely be asked ML questions

[rigid snow]

if ml r&d is there then probably?

[stark needle]

I'm scared they'll pull some phd level question

[rigid snow]

you still have the java pos

[trim valve]

tbh even if they do, they might just actually be interested in how you approach it at that stage

[stark needle]

The original position i applied for is Java for enterprise resource planning

[stark needle]

Wym

[trim valve]

like checking how you approach problem solving something you've never seen before, to make sure you'd actually be able to solve problems you get given in the workplace

[stark needle]

Oh so ask an impossible question basically?

[trim valve]

maybe not strictly impossible, just one you've never seen before // involving a bit of thinking before giving an answer

[stark needle]

Oh yeah no i mean them for example pushing some phd university exam Level question

Abt some intristic mathematical detail

[rigid snow]

does the position they're considering you for involve those types of questions

[stark needle]

They only have a position open for java dev and accountant

At least externally

[rigid snow]

right but, what kinds of ml they're working on, do they involve that

[stark needle]

They work on llms that are put on enterprise resource planning software

[rigid snow]

since you said they have a hf org and stuff, from your assessment

[stark needle]

Question answering type assistant

[rigid snow]

you should be good then i think?

[stark needle]

Ok so I shouldn't stress

[rigid snow]

you shouldn't stress anyway

but

i have no clue what they'll be asking you

but i know you have experience with llms

[stark needle]

Ok i hope it'll be good

AND I WANT A JOB PLEASE

[rigid snow]

you'll still be able to fall back to the java pos probably if they don't end up seeing you fit for whatever ml pos they're considering you for

if you're actually fit for the java pos at least

[stark needle]

Yea true

I mean it's java

I can do java

WAIT

I DIDN'T SEE THE TITLE

[rigid snow]

lol

[stark needle]

Ok this is NOT a java position

Imagine this is a high paying position

😭

[tender river]

no i'm not

[hoary lion]

gosh i will never be used to that profile pic

[midnight sigil]

@honest scaffold fight me

[honest scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/wuh-cat-gif-12963154219599998668

this isnt gaming

where i am

[rough bloom]

[honest scaffold]

[midnight sigil]

I tapped on the wrong channel mb

[honest scaffold]

i almost got lost in these wild and unfamiliar lands

[midnight sigil]

you have been here

[honest scaffold]

i get lost easily

[midnight sigil]

[hoary lion]

honestly programming is kinda osu channel too

[hollow spruce]

I lost my stream phone guard

Anyone idea

[midnight sigil]

#osu got split into #programming and #gaming

[tender river]

i'll go to #gaming for programming (i never program so i'll never go there)

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

just 89

[tender river]

new number

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

only if i can write the asm

ye will write pseudocode first

[glad path]

wait actually

[midnight sigil]

[honest scaffold]

konii 2.0.1

[rigid snow]

great now i don't feel comfortable bringing up programming stuff here

uuh

[midnight sigil]

[rigid snow]

i like tech (maps)

[honest scaffold]

bad

[rigid snow]

[honest scaffold]

[glad path]

rip

[midnight sigil]

sliderbreaks sliderbreaks sliderbreaks :mhm:

[rigid snow]

you play them for fun not for combo

[midnight sigil]

I only play for pp and ii

I don't need fun

tech maps are great, just not in my skillset, yet

been trying it for future tournaments

[amber fractal]

I just got finished playing a few songs in beat saber

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

-# never is not charted yet

[rigid snow]

chart it yourself

[amber fractal]

Don't know enough on how to chart for any game to chart that

[midnight sigil]

☝️

[rigid snow]

(i have no idea how hard beatsaber charting is)

[trim valve]

beatsaber mentioned

[midnight sigil]

how do people even chart for beatsaber

in VR or like a software on desktop

[trim valve]

the game has an editor

on the desktop

[amber fractal]

Editor is a 3d grid that you scroll through mhm

[midnight sigil]

charting in VR would be a headache

physically

[amber fractal]

Not as much as playing the map while testing

[rigid snow]

testing charts you make? why would you do that??

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

I only tried it before they introduced streams so the UI is probably a lot more different than it used to be.

I still struggle a bit when they are used

[trim valve]

streams being those like super thin notes?

[amber fractal]

Yeah, I always go early on them

so half of them don't get sliced

holds are not as much of a pain but hard to properly track sometimes.

[trim valve]

does your acc even matter on the small bits

holds?

like those lines?

[amber fractal]

Yeah those

[trim valve]

you don't need to follow those

they're just a "hey move your saber like this otherwise you'll get jumpscared after the break"

[amber fractal]

I don't really play acc, I just play casual. Mostly on the starting maps but I have at least played the neuro songs.

[rigid snow]

i have not seen beatsaber gameplay in a long while, holds? streams? i thought it was just cubes and the barriers you avoid

[amber fractal]

It has slightly more in it's toolkit now

[trim valve]

I kinda don't play a lot but https://beatleader.com/u/76561198093022590

[amber fractal]

I still can't quite deal with every expert+ yet, but I'm getting there in between play sessions (which are rare)

[trim valve]

it looks kinda goofy because my first ranked play was 148pp lol

but like if you want there's replays on there

[amber fractal]

Don't have an account on any of the sites. So 0pp for me.

I don't think I've even played any ranked maps now that I think about it.

[trim valve]

i mean my account got made automaticalled because I have both the scoresaber & beatleader mods

[amber fractal]

Either way I wouldn't have an account because I share the headset and don't have beat saber set up on PC atm.

No point if I play rarely anyways.

[rigid snow]

as a web developer, why is gradio so confusing

i can’t comprehend it

[amber fractal]

programming, in my #osu chat?

[rigid snow]

oops

mb

[rigid snow]

it should have been the easiest option to throw a web ui together in theory

but i blinked and now we’re passing state from component instantiations to other components

and they call actual frontend frameworks bad and overly complicated

[rigid snow]

i don’t understand state in gradio no matter how much i try. i feel like it’d be easier to forget about it and just write a flask server and throw together an actual frontend

ok maybe i’m starting to get it now, there are like 4 ways and only one of them is sane

still too convoluted of a workflow

man i hate python

[rigid snow]

i read the docs, think i get it, unminimize code editor, head empty

ok so all components own their own state and can pass that state to other components

why

[real sierra]

castles, huh

how do I even find a bug like this

[olive sable]

when you control Z 200 steps back to copy some old code and accidentally press the wrong key so you cant go back to the future

[real sierra]

it's clearly not every castling situation

[trim valve]

I would start with that thing I mentioned later about the perft values

[real sierra]

only about 1 in 50000 games encounter it

[real sierra]

no idea what a perft value is

[trim valve]

because if those don't match you're doing move generation wrong

[real sierra]

but if it's generating an extra castle move that would basically explain all of it away I think

[trim valve]

https://www.chessprogramming.org/Perft
https://www.chessprogramming.org/Perft_Results

[trim valve]

^

for clarity that was generated with

fn main() {
    let mut board = chess_api::Board::get();
    
    for depth in 0..=10 {
        let start = std::time::Instant::now();
        let moves = perft(&mut board, depth);
        
        println!("{depth}: {moves} (done in {:?})", start.elapsed());
    }
    
    println!("done");
    unsafe { std::ptr::null_mut::<u64>().write_volatile(1) }
}

fn perft(board: &mut chess_api::Board, depth: usize) -> u64 {
    let mut nodes = 0;
    
    if depth == 0 {
        return 1;
    }

    let moves = board.get_legal_moves();
    
    for r#move in moves.as_slice() {
        board.make_move(r#move.to_owned().into());
        nodes += perft(board, depth - 1);
        board.undo_move();
    }

    nodes
}

except I got too lazy to let it run to depth 10

btw

not super double checked for typos but should be fine

[real sierra]

nice

thanks

[real sierra]

the perft page gives a few other starting positions, can you find any where the bad move occurs in the first depth

that would be few enough for me to comb through manually

[trim valve]

sadly probably about to head away from my computer soon so can't

[real sierra]

ah all good

I'll hunt around

[verbal grove]

evening

[real sierra]

https://webassembly.org/news/2025-09-17-wasm-3.0/

64 bit address space

[tender river]

on the web, a 64-bit memory is limited to 16 gigabytes
how will i run firefox

[rigid snow]

running firefox in firefox

[tender river]

ye

tail calls

[rigid snow]

half of the features have no support

(in particular runtimes i'm interested in)

[burnt ridge]

Shiro so intelligent

[rigid snow]

[noble zodiac]

builtin strings is huge for wasm 3.0

[rigid snow]

does this mean no more __wbindgen_malloc for passing strings

[obsidian mantle]

i cant even find the .h file now

shiro can you give me the api please

[rigid snow]

Most builtins should be simple and do little work outside of calling into the JS functionality to do the operation. The one exception is for operations that convert between a JS primitive and a Wasm primitive, such as between JS strings/arrays/linear memory. In this case, the builtin may need some non-trivial code to perform the operation and it's still expected that the operation is just semantically copying information and not substantially transforming it into a new interpretation.
this feels like it should answer my question but it does not. i might be stupid

[noble zodiac]

who knows how they do it but they do it

[rigid snow]

i understand it like this, wasm can get refs to strings owned by js and can pass that ref to built in string functions

but the js host still owns the string?

[noble zodiac]

https://github.com/WebAssembly/js-string-builtins/blob/main/proposals/js-string-builtins/Overview.md

[rigid snow]

yeah that's whati'm reading

[noble zodiac]

wait, these arent utf-8 strings?

what a scam

[rigid snow]

(module
  (global (import "strings" "my string constant") (ref extern))
  (export "constant" (global 0))
)

let instance = WebAssembly.instantiate(bytes, {importedStringConstants: "strings"});

// The global is automatically populated with the string constant
assertEq(instance.exports.constant.value, "my string constant");

[obsidian mantle]

my initial idea was transform all pieces into code which has some piece id, its available directions to move, and its coordinates.

so i could move piece with 1 operation by &ing it with the shift and checking if its not 0 with some boundary mask, so its 2 operations to move the piece and check if its out of bounds.

now its useless since we have the api.. and idk if it was even a good idea.
but focusing entirely on strategy seems more fun anyway

[noble zodiac]

what I really want, what I raelly really want, is for wasm to have its native api for interacting with the dom and the browser

so I dont have to go through javascript

[real sierra]

bitwise operations like this are how the API manipulates the board internally

there are 12 bitmasks, one for each piece-color combination, with bits set for squares containing that piece

[obsidian mantle]

so it was a good idea after all

[real sierra]

moving a piece is just an xor with its origin and destination squares, getting all pseudo legal moves is just bit shifting and masking the boards a few times

[obsidian mantle]

now what about this
i dont ant to work in vacuum

[real sierra]

it's a very ubiquitous way of representing these boards, called bitboards

[real sierra]

not until the contest starts officially

the only people with early access are those making language bindings

[obsidian mantle]

oh

fair

but is header file still there

[real sierra]

I think i sent the header file a little while ago

[obsidian mantle]

yeah and i cant find it for some reason

i wonder if "file" filter search actually doesnt include real files like .h and only checks images and other media

[real sierra]

I'm on phone right now so I don't have it downloaded

[rigid snow]

i'll ask again, what langs are bindings being made for outside of bred making ones for rust and you making python ones

[real sierra]

oh sorry I missed the first time you asked

scrub mentioned making C# bindings, haven't heard updates on that

[rigid snow]

eh i'm just curious don't wanna be pushy

[real sierra]

chayleaf wanted to make Haskell bindings but is slightly sidetracked

[obsidian mantle]

what are those bindings? language support?

[rigid snow]

it should be really easy to make c# ones

[real sierra]

language support allows people to make calls to the C API in their language of choice

[obsidian mantle]

wait but
this means anyone who wants to make a bot must have his language supported

[real sierra]

yes, you can't write bots in every language

[rigid snow]

that's why they're being made

[real sierra]

it has to be a supported language

that's why people are adding support for the languages they want to use

[obsidian mantle]

is c++ automatically supported

since its c

[real sierra]

should be

[obsidian mantle]

alright

how long till it starts

[real sierra]

I'm basically just waiting on the tokenizer changes from chayleaf

[hollow spruce]

webp time for fast time to load

some image for bot

[solid bough]

Hi Shiro~

I'm here now

[solid bough]

lmao

[obsidian mantle]

i was confused for a second why your messages swapped order

[hollow spruce]

im solo dev and making bot my self ore some times ai

[solid bough]

You mean the "Hi Shiro~" and "I'm here now"

[obsidian mantle]

no i mean the images
100 reposted the image in new format and it appeared being after shiro's message

[mighty thorn]

"tuh bluetuh device is ehh connekteed sucksesfooly"

[solid bough]

Shiro~ I have some code:

[hoary lion]

whats the model about

and why we using tf

[real sierra]

this is indeed some code

is this from the doodling thing i saw the other day

[solid bough]

Yes, that is the model training code.

Yet my models for some reason... Don#t perform well

[olive sable]

you know what is better than 1 tutel?

2 tutels

fuck this took so long AAAAAa

[solid bough]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Now make other objects exist

[solid bough]

ohno

wth is evil on about???

[real sierra]

running a test tournament

looks like the pre-played opening books are working

[solid bough]

How many images should I use for the model? (I can go to like 400 only)

[real sierra]

holy clean

[solid bough]

I can in theory use any images for the model

[real sierra]

i'm not familiar enough with this kind of machine learning to give a useful answer

[solid bough]

Same, but I'm also not gonna judge you. Anything would be a interesting idea

[olive sable]

it should probably maybe hopefully be possible

this uniform buffer shit took so long to implement for independant objects

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-reaction-meme-kpop-reaction-meme-youngk-youngk-day6-gif-9424619635024595723

[obsidian mantle]

is book = perfect move?

[real sierra]

book = opening move

basically it's a move made according to established chess theory

there's no evaluation or search involved

just "i respond with this move to that one"

[obsidian mantle]

so theoretically its supposed to be very good but not guaranteed perfect

[obsidian mantle]

otherwise whats the point of doing it if this move is bad

whey wouldnt put a trash move in their book right it makes no sense

[real sierra]

chess openings have been studied for like 100 years now

so there's a bunch of very specific openings that are commonly played

all the common ones have names at this point

generally though, they are all quite good

which is "best" is a matter of opinion still

[obsidian mantle]

and they are countering each other like rock paper scissors?

in some way

[olive sable]

i broke it

[hoary lion]

tutel stand

[obsidian mantle]

biblicaly accurate

[olive sable]

very broken

[real sierra]

using chess.com analysis engine to tell me what my bot is good at

5 miss

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

i think my bot can only spot simple checkmates, at least on this time scale

[hollow spruce]

Get ready for 3.14 version of python

I like this update

[olive sable]

python 3.14 already exists no?

[hollow spruce]

Pre

Python Release Python 3.14.0a4 | Python.org https://share.google/fwBbnjsKbxgAe2Qy9

Bye I'm going to sleep 🙂 👋

[tender river]

deferred evaluation of annotations

[shut bluff]

I've never seen this Birthday tag before lol. Happy Birthday to you!

[tender river]

rest seems useless tho

The free-threaded build of Python is now supported and no longer experimental
no thats pretty good

ye maybe useful for embedding dsls

[obsidian mantle]

have you tried playing against your bot @real sierra

[amber fractal]

-# No because the bot would win

[real sierra]

I can't get it off

[real sierra]

I couldn't even beat the old version

[obsidian mantle]

HUH

[real sierra]

for starters I'm bad at chess, but I also am just not capable of playing a full game in 1 minute

[obsidian mantle]

i think you are supposed to play longer time

so you can analyze and see when it makes weird stuff

its going to move fast anyway so doesnt matter its basically gives time to you only

[real sierra]

I would actually be interested to see how my bot fares against a more skilled opponent

depending on the opponent's move, the amount of my move tree that can be reused varies greatly

against a random opponent the odds are rather low that their response is something I anticipated

but against an opponent that plays similarly to my bot, it can probably do a pretty good job

[hoary lion]

versus it with stockfish

[real sierra]

I considered doing that as a benchmark actually, stockfish has 20 levels so it'd be a nice standardized test

but then I have to install stockfish which is annoying

[hoary lion]

bwa

[ashen warren]

https://youtu.be/vFz1HcFEL44
I've been working on a voice to voice bot, really fun side project, having some trouble on latency and accuracy of ASR, might be just because i'm naively using whisper or something but i bet I could keep messing around with the wav data to more accurately detect periods of silence from within the data payloads SoX spits out. Also anything faster than Whisper-small is like almost useless for accuracy, so as what I gets longer the fire and forget approach starts breaking down and increasing latency on the response.

As you can see the actual voice generation coming from XTTS is super quick due to me shotgunning it with sentences, i can't really do the same on ASR though as it's not possible for me to halt running processes once it's passed on to the GPU, and it's queuing up, leading to a 1-2 second delay before LLM invocation

[quaint venture]

what sort of game can i make in python using MU that isnt text base. Ive seen my friend make a simple clicker game using MU and i want to get started on something myself

[ashen warren]

With text only you're kind of stuck, could try something like Drug Wars maybe

If you can python you can probably JS with a little effort, then you get browser access and the world's your oyster

[rigid snow]

i don't think this is good advice, i say just go for a python gui/game lib

[ashen warren]

Entirely depends on your end goal really

If you just want it for learning to code, then absolutely stick with it

if you want to learn how to make games start getting into graphics early

[rigid snow]

well,

game in python
isn't text base
i don't think "learn js" answers any of that

[ashen warren]

Yeah true

I was just kinda saying game options are limited if you work with something that's got no real graphical support

[hoary lion]

C and C++ awaits!

[ashen warren]

lol

[hoary lion]

cc. @olive sable

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

hi

im popular today

what is MU?

[ashen warren]

baby's first python

[rigid snow]

an editor i think like idle

[ashen warren]

like a nice IDE

@rigid snow I presume you are just starting out, yeah? What is your main goal, what are you trying to get to with learning?

[rigid snow]

wrong ping?

[quaint venture]

ye lol im doing computer science GCSE and this frend did make a GUI looking clicker game

[rigid snow]

i am NOT just starting out

[ashen warren]

oops yes

sorry

right clicked wrong message

[quaint venture]

He made it for fun and I also want to make a game that would run in python but isnt a clicker bc he already made one

ig i could make a gambling game

[ashen warren]

Toughy for sure ..

[olive sable]

i mean, if you want to make graphically intensive games you'd jsut go for openGL in python, if you want more visual novewl style go for renpy

[real sierra]

mint is learning to code

[glass flower]

surely there are better graphics libraries for python than just raw openGL

like... pygame

[quaint venture]

ykw i think ill stick to these mini MU codng challenges my teacher set for me for now ig

[hoary lion]

just dont use python

[ashen warren]

so true

[hoary lion]

theres a game engine for a reason

[ashen warren]

there is this fishing game i saw done through text

maybe you could replicate that but it's also kind of a clicker

[glass flower]

if you use a ton of libraries thats kinda like a game engine but you need to provide all the glue to stick into together into something meaningful i will never go completely low-level again. doing that in c++ was a pain

[rigid snow]

look i did hello world in js

[hoary lion]

I do not need this information in life

[real sierra]

mint is already creating horrors they grow up so fast

[ashen warren]

obligatory: https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs

[rigid snow]

my beloved

[real sierra]

I tried writing a game from scratch in java

I had this super cool wrapper class I made that would automatically sync objects between clients with no added effort (it was multplayer)

[real sierra]

we got NaN 2

[ashen warren]

https://github.com/denysdovhan/wtfjs?tab=readme-ov-file#nan-is-not-a-number

actually that's a number

[obsidian mantle]

it should be a number that has banned combination of bits

[rigid snow]

NaN just means the float is busted i'm so tired of hearing of that as an argument to anything

it is still a number type

[ashen warren]

JS is very fun, I actually like it more than typescript but i think that was because i was forced to use it so long before TS existed all the mental load is like, embdedded in my head

[obsidian mantle]

how many unique nans are there in 32 bit float

[ashen warren]

Imagine using JS before ES6 btw, you can't

[rigid snow]

couldn't be me

[shut bluff]

What's ES6?

[rigid snow]

but then i hated js with a passion

i was a php fan

[clear sedge]

ecmascript 2015

[ashen warren]

Ahh so that's your curse

PHP i despise so much man

[clear sedge]

imagine not being able to use let

literal hell

[ashen warren]

imagine having no async

[rigid snow]

imagine needing strict mode

myvar = 0 all the way

[ashen warren]

a lot of the codebase i worked on was pre-prototypes too so we were doing just raw factory functions

[obsidian mantle]

what do you guys think about lua

[clear sedge]

not even using var

you savage

[ashen warren]

I actually love lua, but specifically only for scripting

[rigid snow]

lua is pog

[ashen warren]

and pico 8 flavour

[clear sedge]

lua is python if it was good in my eyes

[obsidian mantle]

no need to declare variables

[rigid snow]

local

[ashen warren]

i've never really had the opportunity to make something serious in lua just toy things

[clear sedge]

one does not simply avoid local

[ashen warren]

but i had a lot of fun with it

[obsidian mantle]

yeah one local and then do anything with it

[clear sedge]

lua is good for when you want a simple scripting language

like for ui

or easily sandboxed mods

[rigid snow]

i would much rather have a wasm engine nowadays

[ashen warren]

https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php i'm sure most of you guys know of this but all the games are in lua here and the source code for each game is open, so you have a mega repo of lua examples if you are learning

[clear sedge]

hell, i'd argue it's somewhat decent as a build-script language

[ashen warren]

totally

[clear sedge]

way better than the hell that is gradle, at least

[ashen warren]

gradle is evil, but it's better than ruby 🤐

[clear sedge]

i've never had to encounter ruby, thankfully

[ashen warren]

it's syntax is just awful imo, i've mainly used it in cocoapods stuff as part of build flows for things like cordova

[rigid snow]

apple developer spotted

[clear sedge]

speaking of awful syntax

[ashen warren]

Kill me now

[clear sedge]

python

need i say more

[rigid snow]

oh its SO much worse

after the edit

[ashen warren]

I am so annoyed with python dear god

I tend to defer to nodejs for similar cases just because it's cozy, and when i REALLY need python i'll just spool up a server and talk through APIs

I know it's not efficient, i just hate it

[olive sable]

tutelarray is working

[rigid snow]

based

[olive sable]

im going to bed now

[rigid snow]

gn

[ashen warren]

see ya man

[real sierra]

this will multiply my pay by 25

[olive sable]

its 4*5

so 20

[rigid snow]

he pays you?

[olive sable]

yes, the full 0.00249 cents per ad

[ashen warren]

"you guys are getting paid?"

[olive sable]

yes

just not by vedal

[tender river]

gradle

[rigid snow]

gradle good

[ashen warren]

android ruby change my mind

[rigid snow]

android ruby

[olive sable]

i cant be bothered, change it yourself

[real sierra]

I can't count

math major btw

[olive sable]

i know

[real sierra]

I love that picture

[olive sable]

suck is the fate of all math majors

able to do integrals, unable to count to 25

[rigid snow]

off by 5 error

no biggie

[real sierra]

happens

[ashen warren]

competing with chatGPT at this point

[olive sable]

off by 5 is a full 25% margin of error

smh

[real sierra]

ur a margin of error

[olive sable]

bwaa

[real sierra]

I'm sneaking branching code into your simd

[olive sable]

the margin of error on missing people wouldn't notice 1 shiro would they?

[real sierra]

[clear sedge]

more like gaydle

[ashen warren]

hahahaha

[tender river]

no the problem is it's not gay at all

[rigid snow]

gay tooling = good

[clear sedge]

this is why i prefer gayven

[nocturne olive]

[clear sedge]

be nice to each other

[obsidian mantle]

where is this running

[tender river]

maven can burn too, i havent seen a single good piece of java/python build tooling

[olive sable]

a lot of the really low level functions have been written so now i can chain them together to do higher level stuff. development shouldgo quicker now

[olive sable]

my gpu

[rigid snow]

chatgpt clears

[ashen warren]

Officially better at math

[tender river]

because the languages weren't designed with build tooling in mind skill issue

[clear sedge]

just use c to build everything

nob.h my beloved

[olive sable]

nah

[tender river]

disagree

[ashen warren]

Have any of you guys worked with any nice speech recognition AI models besides Whisper? I am in need of fast options i could run locally, and huggingface is very broad, nobody shows latency

[rigid snow]

i forgot how it was named but there was a pretty damn good local model since forever

lemme look

[ashen warren]

(begging it's not whisper)

[rigid snow]

it's not

it may be worse though

[clear sedge]

also if we're talking about languages that lack in terms of build tools

c/c++

i love those god damn sons of bitches but why is building with them such a pain sometimes

[tender river]

call me crazy but i'd rather cmake than gradle

[clear sedge]

nah you're sane

i'd rather cmake than gradle any day

[ashen warren]

I will eval, but it can't be worse than whisper-base, hopefully

[rigid snow]

it's older than whisper i thinkl

[olive sable]

C++ lacks a bit in everything tho. the very fact we have to use header files shows it hasn't cooked enough yet

[real sierra]

gradle

[tender river]

shiro you're a java dev how do you cope

[real sierra]

maven

[clear sedge]

c++ is just c if it went a different direction and kept adding feature after feature after feature

good c++ is good but bad c++ will make you wet yourself in your pants and at your eyes

[real sierra]

C++ sucks

stupid stapled-together dogshit

[ashen warren]

inb4 rust

[real sierra]

C was great and they ruined it

[clear sedge]

i like c++ :(

the c++ i write, specifically

[rigid snow]

it's this and it is for sure worse than whisper, models per language are 50mb only tho. it's more for embedded/mobile i think
https://alphacephei.com/vosk/

[clear sedge]

all other c++ is garbage

[tender river]

[tender river]

c++ is the python of systems programming

[real sierra]

I hate your c++ enough for both of us

[nocturne olive]

Architecture design

[clear sedge]

you haven't even seen my c++ :(

[real sierra]

it's c++

I don't need or want to see it

[ashen warren]

i'll give it a try! if it's fast, and mostly accurate on clean audio, and doesn't try interpretting fan noise as '*fart*' 50 times (yes this happened i have a screenshot) then it should be good

[clear sedge]

sometimes i like to write my c++ like i write my c, except i have vtables at the ready for when the moment calls for it

c is great imo

i hesitate to call c++ anything above manageable

[tender river]

i use c++ for competitive programming and

pretty much nothing else?

[rigid snow]

and hating on

[ashen warren]

https://imgur.com/a/fqDAD8O i have no embed perms so an imgur will do

[tender river]

i dont have imgur access

they banned my ip

[ashen warren]

sorry for your loss

[tender river]

but

heres the embed https://imgur.com/a/fqDAD8O

[rigid snow]

nice embed

[tender river]

dont have any other way to access it

other than web archive i guess

[ashen warren]

tf did you do?

[tender river]

blame imgur not me

[clear sedge]

i can only imagine it was digital terrorism

[rigid snow]

they also banned my ip but just so i can't upload

i can still access

[clear sedge]

why is imgur hating on you both

[ashen warren]

That site was always really weird tbh

[tender river]

[ashen warren]

temu reddit

[real sierra]

I'm not surprised Imgur banned either of them

I've been here long enough

[rigid snow]

tf did i do

me irl ->

[tender river]

me irl ->

[ashen warren]

[clear sedge]

me irl -> 🐑

[ashen warren]

me irl ->

[clear sedge]

sog

🐶

[rigid snow]

i have not admitted to anything even remotely close to chay

[real sierra]

me not irl ->

[real sierra]

"admitted to"?

[ashen warren]

ahaha

[real sierra]

not "I have not done anything [...]" ?

[ashen warren]

international man of mystery

[real sierra]

[ashen warren]

keeps you guessing

[clear sedge]

suspect

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[clear sedge]

woah

[real sierra]

even Tatsu is suspicious

[rigid snow]

i am being investigated it's over

[real sierra]

yep it's over

Pastebin access revoked

[clear sedge]

it's so joever

[ashen warren]

oh maan pastebin is so screwed these days

[clear sedge]

not pastebin!! how else are they supposed to be able to use computercraft :(

[rigid snow]

how much for the ban to take effect

[ashen warren]

you used to actually want to look at other people's pastes, these days it's 99% crypto scams

I say you, i mean me

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

i get crypto scams delivered straight to my email

[clear sedge]

gotta have the emojis there like a shiny keychain

jiggle that thang

[rigid snow]

⭐⭐⭐ Instant Attention Method ⭐⭐⭐

[ashen warren]

I don't intrinsically hate crypto, but dear god is the degeneracy pervasive

[real sierra]

how dare they drag the holy java's name through the mud

I'm declaring war on crypto scams

script to auto report Pastebin entries

[ashen warren]

the batman except for java pastebin cryptoscams

[clear sedge]

jatman

[rigid snow]

you can just report every single one, 0.01% false positive rate

[sick owl]

So those new meta smart display glasses look really cool

But

They are the last company I would trust with a camera on my face 24/7

In fact I'm not sure I'd trust any closed source product with that but most definitely not Metas

[clear sedge]

meta? more like beta

[rigid snow]

after that live demo flop? no way

[ashen warren]

I wonder if there is an appetite for transformer designed to detect crypto scams, i genuinely might train that using these as training data

[sick owl]

I'm willing to give live demo flops the benefit of the doubt since it shows they were confident enough in the product to give a real showcase even if it goes wrong

[ashen warren]

Yeah i respect the balls to show off essentially near prototype tech like that live

nothing is flawless, especially with AI

[sick owl]

The neural band thingy is also really cool

[ashen warren]

Yeah that is actually insane

[sick owl]

If they sold those separately I could see myself getting one for other devices

Hands free phone operation with one would be pretty nice

[ashen warren]

All i can think is how that data could make hand prosthetics better

like you get electromuscular data from the wrists of 1M people you can make incredible hand prosthetics probably

[sick owl]

I think as far as smart glasses are confirmed Brilliant Labs's glasses with the Meta Neural Band would be the only viable combo right now for my tastes

Nice input device + open source software

But the value proposition isn't there yet imo

[real sierra]

mojo lens

[sick owl]

Great idea but I'm scared of putting shit in my eye

[real sierra]

people with contacts do it everyday, I'm not that worried lol

[ashen warren]

yeah but normal contacts suck

let alone chunkzilla contacts

[real sierra]

xddd

[sick owl]

Not because I think its dangerous

Just because the idea of jamming it in my eye freaks me out

[ashen warren]

Just looking at paradigms these days, once the AI wave chills it'll probably be robotics then BCI stuff i reckon, both areas benefit incredibly from the shift to transformer models, i reckon. Definitely robotics, if you look at what happened with Boston Dynamics after they swapped from actuators and normal neural networks to transformers and servos their stuff is soooo much better, and it was incredible before

[real sierra]

I would be so confused by the lens tho

I would instinctively try to look at stuff displayed

and then be bamboozled when the screen moved with my eye

[ashen warren]

Have you ever had floaters in your eye when looking at the sky

that but an ad for monster

[real sierra]

looking around and the HUD stays in the same spot in your field of vision is nuts

actual video game

[real sierra]

yea

[ashen warren]

maaan imagine them showing ads in your peripheral vision hoooly

[rigid snow]

this video does not show up in my youtube studio for some reason

OH it's treated as a shorts

why

[ashen warren]

Damn that's cool af, i am so sad they got rid of that on the new macbooks

i have an M3 and had one of those before, feels a bit naked

but i loooove little displays like that oh man

[rigid snow]

was the m2 the last 13"

[ashen warren]

https://nl.nothing.tech/products/phone-3?Colour=White&Capacity=12%2B256GB this phone has a little programmable addressable LED matrix that is so fun to make things for, coolest phone ever

only 25x25 but you can get creative with it, 120hz for some reason

also NL doxxed

[ashen warren]

i think so

mine was

[real sierra]

I kinda worry my bot has peaked

idk how I could improve it any with the tokens I have left

I think it'll actually be over the token count once chayleaf fixes the counter

in which case it's truly gg

[obsidian mantle]

Lens moves with the eye?

[sick owl]

I would have a nothing phone if I wasn't so in love with the Pixel feature set

[obsidian mantle]

Whaaat

[real sierra]

I mean yeah, it's a contact lens

it's attached to your eye

[ashen warren]

share bot i am new

[real sierra]

well not attached but

[obsidian mantle]

They can make it moving the hud dynamically

[ashen warren]

Yeah fair, i am just bored with glass rectangles

[real sierra]

I am neither talking about bots nor tokens in the sense you hope

[solid bough]

Öet's talk coding

[obsidian mantle]

Lets say i have my hp down bottom, i move eye there and lens moves it to the center

[ashen warren]

So what are we talking?

[obsidian mantle]

So i am staring directly at it now

[real sierra]

I'm planning a chess bot contest soon where people will make a chess bot and then they'll all be put in a tournament to see which is best

but to add to the challenge (and stop people submitting stockfish) there is a maximum source code token count of 1024 tokens

[obsidian mantle]

Whats the issue with token counter rn?

[ashen warren]

ahhh sick, like the one made by that youtuber

i forget his name

Sebastian Lague

[real sierra]

very much inspired by that one!

[real sierra]

there are some damning situations where it doesn't count token sit should, and it doesn't support as many languages as is desired

[ashen warren]

I won't probe on your angle beyond this, but heuristic or mini-neural?

[real sierra]

MCTS

[solid bough]

Shiro~ have you gone to "the toll free amongus car vc" VC before?

[real sierra]

yes I have lol

[ashen warren]

Me, scrolling down for the first time

I forgot discord lets chatrooms get that big now

[solid bough]

How's there usually?

[real sierra]

idk lmao

it's a vc

it's certainly busier right now

due to the canvas

[solid bough]

Yeah, I just listen to the songs rn. No one is talking meanwhile

[real sierra]

if I do somehow have tokens left after the token counter upgrade, the next thing to add is transposition tables I think

would save a lot of time for my algorithm

[tender river]

ye talk = executed on the spot

[solid bough]

Ah

So... Execution is... What?

[real sierra]

I think if my transposition table has a 16-bit hash index with 8 bytes for the full hash and 8 bytes for actual heuristic data, it should only take about 2-3MB in memory

that's not terrible

[solid bough]

No really, What does that mean?

[real sierra]

it's a de facto music channel right now, everyone is there to listen to music

if you were to go there and start talking over 100 people's music it probably wouldn't be welcomed warmly

[sick owl]

ChatGPT is getting age gated

I guess if it stops kids from cheating on school tests it could be a good thing but I don't want to give OpenAI my ID

Not that they're my main provider these days but still

[rigid snow]

they’ll just use gemini

[solid bough]

Oh

[ashen warren]

smart kids will just use the API

[real sierra]

hi we're an AI company we love training data, btw please upload images of face-name pairings with rich metadata for us

[sick owl]

Smart kids probably don't need to use a language model to cheat

[rigid snow]

inb4 the api is age gated too

[open copper]

definitionally if they are using AI to cheat they probably arent all that smart

[ashen warren]

you'll be surprised how being smart leads to laziness

[real sierra]

good at programming ≠ smart

[sick owl]

There's laziness and then there's shooting your intellectual growth in the foot

[open copper]

current child laziness comes with lethargy nowadays

[real sierra]

people cleverly using AI to cheat are not smart

[ashen warren]

Yeah but they don't know that they're arrogant and smarty pants

[sick owl]

A smart kid may flirt with the former but should know better than the latter

[real sierra]

they are good at using AI and they are ensuring they will only ever be good at that

[open copper]

yup

[real sierra]

it's a dentge move

[rigid snow]

is there a graph expert in chat? can that graph expert please explain how this graph is supposed to make sense

[ashen warren]

A lot of people in the cybersecurity space are quite smart, and ask any of them and they probably did something to somehow skip school, to them it's about breaking for personal gain

[ashen warren]

coin?

[real sierra]

displayed numbers rounded to nearest 0.01

source values for line are not

[ashen warren]

/jk

[rigid snow]

usdt

so rounded to nearest 1/100 is probably the correct answer

[real sierra]

hi I'm in the cybersecurity field, this is not true at all thx

[ashen warren]

what do you do?

[real sierra]

cybersecurity

[ashen warren]

yes but what specifically?

red team blue team?

[real sierra]

not trying to dox myself

[ashen warren]

you're not gonna by saying what your angle is

[real sierra]

[ashen warren]

small space sure but not that small

[real sierra]

be content with the answer I gave

I'm not sharing further

soz

[rigid snow]

already doxxed by stating "cybersecurity"

[ashen warren]

lol yes exactly