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clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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some people just don't want children

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it's not that deep

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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ah i see

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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if you use msvc you deserve to have your stuff break neuroPogHD

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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preproc_arg doesn't have to be valid syntax does it?

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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it can still be tokenized surely

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 4:54 PM

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opaque sigil if you use msvc you deserve to have your stuff break <:neuroPogHD:10577787970569...

yes

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fuck msvc

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all my homies hate msvc

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 4:56 PM

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tender river it can still be tokenized surely

is it possible to identify string tokens and add the string length to the token count or is that too language specific

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within tcount I mean

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 4:57 PM

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──────────────────────
 Group  Files  Tokens 
──────────────────────
 C          1   12718 
──────────────────────```

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it's beautiful

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 4:57 PM

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real sierra is it possible to identify string tokens and add the string length to the token ...

it's not possible

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but i can do it

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evilNodders

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 4:58 PM

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aura

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 4:58 PM

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including math.h makes it 24456

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 4:59 PM

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real sierra aura

can also make integers count the amount of data they encode in longs

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or should it be bytes to match strings neuroThink

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 5:00 PM

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tender river it can still be tokenized surely

you could probably just recursively look for preproc_args in the tree and run tree-sitter on those

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 5:00 PM

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nwerobreadjam

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evilChipiChapa neuroChipiChapa

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:01 PM

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tender river can also make integers count the amount of data they encode in longs

pogs that'd be cool

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I think a reasonable bound is max 64 bits per token

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regardless of data type

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 5:01 PM

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neuroNOTED

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:09 PM

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chale eef

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 5:16 PM

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real sierra I think a reasonable bound is max 64 bits per token

watch someone make a program that takes an array of encoded longs, converts them each into 8 ints, converts each of those ints into an ascii character, and then joins all the characters together and runs the resulting string as code

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now i'm curious how many tokens that could save you

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1066 tokens from 2334 characters (for my program) to probably 292 (2334/8) + 200 (for the decoding mechanism) tokens

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saying 200 for the decoding mechanism because you'd need to do that garbage in a fitting language like javascript

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 5:22 PM

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clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:23 PM

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me when i don't have explorer.exe

stark needle Sep 17, 2025, 5:24 PM

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no more exploring :(

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:28 PM

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stray dragon watch someone make a program that takes an array of encoded longs, converts them...

I banned exec()-like functions in the rules nuhuh

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but did add a stipulation that you can write your own VM if you want

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 5:28 PM

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real sierra I banned `exec()`-like functions in the rules <a:nuhuh:1155134056305016842>

awww

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:28 PM

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a custom vm is surprisingly efficient

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token-wise that is

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its almost like using defines but taken to the extreme

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you collect the most common and vital operations and index them with opcodes

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a few fixed registers lets you define minimal variables

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you can map chess API functions to opcodes too

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and then the opcodes themselves can probably be easily packed to one byte each, if not less

warped narwhal Sep 17, 2025, 5:31 PM

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I'm watching it. It's pretty good

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:37 PM

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real sierra its almost like using defines but taken to the extreme

ReallyInnocent

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ehe

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jah

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:38 PM

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real sierra and then the opcodes themselves can probably be easily packed to one byte each, ...

yes easily

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hbvm has 119 instructions

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:38 PM

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sage crag yes easily

it might not be worth tho to map opcodes to less than a byte because annoying to index

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well I guess you can compress opcode and args into a byte

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:38 PM

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its actually very easy as long as you ensure opcodes are constant length

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:39 PM

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then mask and switch

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:39 PM

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real sierra well I guess you can compress opcode and args into a byte

args are much harder and pretty much impossible with hbvm

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its common for vms to have 255 or more registers

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:39 PM

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that's where h1vm comes in

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WICKED

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:39 PM

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hbvm has 255 registers

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evilShrug

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:40 PM

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if you write a VM you probably need a compiler too

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:40 PM

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if i was writing a vm i would write a better one than hbvm for this

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specialisation

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:40 PM

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workload 📈

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:40 PM

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real sierra if you write a VM you probably need a compiler too

just an assembler

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:40 PM

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sage crag specialisation

mhm

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which functions

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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ive handwritten hbvm programs before

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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fewer opcodes the better

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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real sierra which functions

ideally just zap all integer ops

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and map some math ops to instructions

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like log, sqrt

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:41 PM

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all this is making me wish to continue work on my nes emulator

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written in c, naturally

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:42 PM

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sage crag and map some math ops to instructions

search tree seems hard with vm

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how store

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:42 PM

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clear sedge written in c, naturally

https://git.ablecorp.eu/lily-org/hbvm-c
if you want any reference for a high performance interpreter i wrote one myself

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:42 PM

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real sierra how store

malloc as instruction

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evilShrug

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:42 PM

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catdespair

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malloc and free instructions

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:43 PM

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ye

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most non-systems vms have something similar

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the more high level the vm instructions are the easier it is to JIT

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:43 PM

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sage crag https://git.ablecorp.eu/lily-org/hbvm-c if you want any reference for a high per...

i already have cpu emulation down actually

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:43 PM

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clear sedge i already have cpu emulation down actually <:actually:1137675487733350441>

mine's faster though nERMd

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:44 PM

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clear sedge i already have cpu emulation down actually <:actually:1137675487733350441>

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:44 PM

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no proof

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:44 PM

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clear sedge no proof

nope but i guarantee it jah

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no proof required my code is simply faster

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evilAlright

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:45 PM

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I want write code but also want sleep

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but have class Sadgi

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how do

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:45 PM

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real sierra how do

multitask

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:45 PM

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i am currently unemployed AND not in college so i have all the time in the world to write code

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just be like me

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duh

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:45 PM

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sage crag multitask

in your dreams

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:46 PM

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real sierra how do

the trifecta of programming students

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:47 PM

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real sierra it might not be worth tho to map opcodes to less than a byte because annoying to...

you can also do decompression on the binary

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:47 PM

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map most common operations to opcodes with long sequences of repeated bits

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BigBrain

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I guess that's probably not worth tho

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:48 PM

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im in my college's discord now and there are too many people i have mutual servers with enub
more than 10 are in neurocord, the majorty is in the satisfactory server tho ICANT

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:48 PM

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I don't think RLE actually helps at all

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:48 PM

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olive sable im in my college's discord now and there are too many people i have mutual serve...

I would never join my college discord

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instantly destroy my public image

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:48 PM

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im lucky that i have a mostly presentable account

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some people in that server tho...

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 5:49 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1375623285894807563/IMG_6849.gif

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:49 PM

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real sierra I don't think RLE actually helps at all

rle is pretty poor on packed data like binaries

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huffman coding or dictionary mapping would be better

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not sure how small i can write either of those

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Huffman coding would be smart yeah

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 5:51 PM

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there are better alternatives but its above my paygrade

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:52 PM

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what is a huff man?

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oh its like a tree

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:52 PM

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buff man encoding GIGACHAD

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:52 PM

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olive sable what is a huff man?

vape addict

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:53 PM

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real sierra buff man encoding <a:GIGACHAD:876029372803461141>

compress the data by compressing your ram sticks with a hydraulic press giga_chad

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:53 PM

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but yeah the VM approach is incredibly valid

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surprisingly non gimmick

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:53 PM

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clear sedge compress the data by compressing your ram sticks with a hydraulic press <a:giga_...

does compressing by physicall volume count as compresing the file?

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:54 PM

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it is, by definition, compressing

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and the file is contained within the storage medium

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:54 PM

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ok but you're not compressing the file

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 5:54 PM

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yes i am

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it just becomes unreadable afterwards

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i call this fully lossy encoding

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 5:54 PM

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you're compressing the plane of existance the file is on, not the file itself

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 5:59 PM

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olive sable you're compressing the plane of existance the file is on, not the file itself

this does have information theoretic consequences though

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makes me think of degeneracy pressure

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:00 PM

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makes you think of what?

tender river Sep 17, 2025, 6:01 PM

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nwerobreadjam

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:01 PM

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the force that keeps white dwarfs from turning into black holes

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:01 PM

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never thought the word "degeneracy" woudl be somethign to do with quantum mechanics

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:02 PM

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real sierra the force that keeps white dwarfs from turning into black holes

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-dwarf-senshi-senshi-of-izganda-gif-3067375329731324465

Tenor

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im required to bring "a mouse with 2 buttons and a scroll wheel" WHAT

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the only mouse i own is connected to my pc

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:05 PM

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unplug it

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your PC isn't using it if you're not there

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:05 PM

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i did cable manage everything really nicely tho bwaadow

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:05 PM

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then you know how to cable manage it a second time neuroHypers

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:06 PM

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i also have liek a full 8 buttons on here

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impresive i know

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:06 PM

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I've never found bonus mouse buttons useful

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 6:06 PM

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too many buttons

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:06 PM

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I can't retrain my brain to use them

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 6:06 PM

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need a new mouse

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:06 PM

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@tender river tcount update?

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:07 PM

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ye me neither. i use left click and right click, and once every 4 months the dpi button cuz i pressed itby mistake and have to put it back

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 6:07 PM

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olive sable im required to bring "a mouse with 2 buttons and a scroll wheel" <a:WHAT:1293890...

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:08 PM

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olive sable ye me neither. i use left click and right click, and once every 4 months the dpi...

actually i have like 3 buttons for dpi. one for up, on for down,a nd the 3rd button is a profiel switch but the only thing that does is change the dpi and the rgb

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:08 PM

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rigid snow

"apple switched to USB instead of their proprietary format" is the craziest part of this

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modern apple could not comprehend

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 6:09 PM

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1998 DINKDONK

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oh

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:09 PM

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im required to install adobe photoshop neuro7

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pureref and sketchfab too but those are mostly cool i think

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 6:10 PM

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rigid snow

this is what succeeded it btw

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still no scroll wheel and left click only

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:10 PM

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that aint left click

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thats just click

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:10 PM

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they were trying

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baby's first mouse

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damn that makes usb 2.0 look old as hell

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:11 PM

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olive sable thats just click

the goat adam sandal and his magic remote Minamhm
(i have never watched any of his movies)

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:12 PM

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im sad

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 6:12 PM

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oh nah i watched pixels

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was mid tho

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:12 PM

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I don't think transposition tables will help my bot

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I don't have a good way to apply them

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just have to pray that tree reroot gives me the performance gain I'm looking for

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maybe I can be more clever with time too

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 6:20 PM

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real sierra they were trying

the context menu didn't exist on mac os for the longest time and when it did become a thing you were supposed to use alt+click i think? and for scrolling you're supposed to manually drag the scroll bar

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people definitely used macs back then so it must have been a good enough experience glueless

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 6:24 PM

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I really want to use something like transposition tables tho

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thanks discord

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it just seems like such a free speedup

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:35 PM

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Yo

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:37 PM

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coding is hard

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but I'm learning. Progress img.

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 6:37 PM

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EvilSynth getting serious use before Vedal releases Neuro V3 voice

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How silly

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:39 PM

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frail mortar but I'm learning. Progress img.

Hmm good job

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:39 PM

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hollow spruce Hmm good job

thanks. x-x i need sleep...

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:39 PM

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frail mortar thanks. x-x i need sleep...

Mine ares has 2 am

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:40 PM

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its 2 am where you are?

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Beijing?

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:41 PM

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frail mortar its 2 am where you are?

Installing python, making from scratch, practice maths and learning physics, install pip modul , install choco, install msys2, installing node js

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:43 PM

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your doing your pip installs?

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Yea

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 6:43 PM

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doing his daily pip installs

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chore

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:43 PM

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rn_image_picker_lib_temp_d44a17f8-dfcc-426a-b8ac-c40e4f0662c1.jpg

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:43 PM

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Tough stuff. I had a hard time learning all the things I needed

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have fun @hollow spruce

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:44 PM

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Have headache

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:44 PM

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LOL

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:44 PM

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Install all things for 4housrs

frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:44 PM

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i think mine never went away

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Its super rewarding when you get to use the thing you built. Keep it up. Learn well, and bugs happen.

hollow spruce Sep 17, 2025, 6:46 PM

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Im making ai from scratch 😂
But I think i will make next day or any time

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Water time

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No adb shell this time cursor

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Cursor error update FAILED

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frail mortar Sep 17, 2025, 6:58 PM

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is it being installed in the right directory?

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:12 PM

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hollow spruce Cursor error update FAILED

Simply don't vibecode

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:17 PM

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chat

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controversial opinion

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i think using chatbots to help you program shit is ethically wrong in the same way using chatbots / image generators to help you draw is ethically wrong

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:19 PM

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so not at all, then

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:19 PM

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it's built off of others' art

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without permission

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 7:20 PM

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its not ehically wrong in itslef, the way companies get the data to amke the programs function is wrong

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:20 PM

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if you're gonna use ai generated images directly? shame on you

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 7:20 PM

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it is possible to make one that is ethical

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:20 PM

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if you're using it as a tool, or a reference?

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fine

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zero problem

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:20 PM

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too lax, it's trained unethically therefore it is unethical to use it

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:20 PM

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human effort was involved, and the work is transformative

maiden geyser Sep 17, 2025, 7:21 PM

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clear sedge i think using chatbots to help you program shit is ethically wrong in the same w...

controversial opinion: the grass is green or yellow

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 7:21 PM

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clear sedge too lax, it's trained unethically therefore it is unethical to use it

just train one on ethical data. the tool itself isnt inherently unethical

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:21 PM

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rather than arguing against using models trained off of stolen data, i'd argue against the existence of those models in the first place

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using a model with stolen data doesn't make me a data stealer

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lay that blame right on the people that stole the data

maiden geyser Sep 17, 2025, 7:21 PM

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there is no point in any AI that isn't an rvc

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 7:22 PM

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bruh

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:22 PM

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maiden geyser there is no point in any AI that isn't an rvc

Vocal synthesizers:

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:22 PM

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stray dragon lay that blame right on the people that stole the data

you're supporting the data stealers

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:22 PM

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nocturne olive Vocal synthesizers:

Would you want to lose SV Teto?

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:22 PM

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vocal synths are fine

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they're most often made with permission

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and people who use it are actual artists just using it as an instrument

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:23 PM

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Vocal synths are great, they aren't like those stupid song generator AIs

maiden geyser Sep 17, 2025, 7:23 PM

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nocturne olive Would you want to lose SV Teto?

i hate her, yes

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:23 PM

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You hate Teto??

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:23 PM

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why the teto hate :(

maiden geyser Sep 17, 2025, 7:23 PM

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she burnt down my house

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or something

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

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clear sedge you're supporting the data stealers

by not paying them anything and not using the generated images directly? yep sure

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

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clear sedge you're supporting the data stealers

ok but like, if you buy a chicken mcnugget you're supporting an industry where thousands of animals live and die unethically. that doesnt mean i will stop eating chicken.
i feel the same way about ai

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

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stray dragon by not paying them anything and not using the generated images directly? yep sur...

you're propagating the use of unethically gathered data

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

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pretty sure they're mostly paid for by investors, not by the actual consumers

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

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clear sedge and people who use it are actual artists just using it as an instrument

Yeah, vocal synths are essentially fancy instruments with extra parameters

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:24 PM

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clear sedge you're propagating the use of unethically gathered data

then don't use that model specifically?

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HNHqSdGW4
I sure do like my vocal synthesizers

YouTube

⭐︎CHXI⭐︎

RAISE UP YOUR BAT Cover ft. Neuro-sama (Unofficial) - Deltarune Cha...

this has gotta be one of my fav covers i've ever done... and its even got special vocals! swarm is the most dedicated fanbase. ABSOLUTE CINEMA 💜

come chat w/ me on discord if u like! discord.gg/8ry5dn3UjA

NeuroSynth-BETA-3 developed by Superbox & Wispers
(actually amazing work btw)

Motifs:
Raise Up Your Bat (Toby Fox)

SUPER COOL ART BY O...

▶ Play video

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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then don't use any model at all unless it's trained on data you own or have permissions to

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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nah bro has to get his plug in neurOMEGALUL

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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i can hate youtube as a company and use youtube as a platform at the same time

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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olive sable nah bro has to get his plug in <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>

NeuroSynth mentioned > show NeuroSynth example song

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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you don't gotta pick one or the other

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:25 PM

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why do you need ai though?

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:26 PM

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i don't

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:26 PM

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gen ai le bad superbox you should sleep on the warm side of the pillow now

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:26 PM

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i never use it in the way you're suggesting

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:26 PM

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clear sedge why do you need ai though?

High quality vocal synthesis

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:26 PM

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nocturne olive High quality vocal synthesis

That's my personal main machine learning usage

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:27 PM

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i never use it period. i don't need it, it's most often trained unethically, it's shoved in my face when it makes my workflow slower

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:27 PM

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cool

maiden geyser Sep 17, 2025, 7:27 PM

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stray dragon lay that blame right on the people that stole the data

then what's the point of the whole argument, if we put the guilt onto people, who can be changed as often as gloves?

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:28 PM

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maiden geyser then what's the point of the whole argument, if we put the guilt onto people, wh...

they're less easily replaced than the people that use the ai

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:28 PM

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clear sedge i never use it period. i don't need it, it's most often trained unethically, it'...

Machine learning models have their uses, but for the average person they're not a requirement for sure and can even slow you down, so completely fair to not use them at all

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:28 PM

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and you can also just blame the company itself, usually works

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:28 PM

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look what superbox does is cool, does it matter if he technically has no permission to use the voice? news flash, neither fucking does vedal

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:28 PM

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Yeah technically if it's stealing it's transitive stealing

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Stealing what's already been stolen

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I don't think of it as stealing though
NeuroSynth is to allow the community to do what they couldn't before

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:30 PM

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speech synthesis is fine as long as it's either

trained with the author's consent
completely synthetic

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:31 PM

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don't really get the whole "that data is STOLEN it is unethical to use it" thing in the first place, if it's online and it is freely accessible then that is on you

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

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clear sedge speech synthesis is fine as long as it's either 1. trained with the author's con...

quick tell me whos the author of neuros voice

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

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you could argue against data from sites that gather paid content for free, yeah

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

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clear sedge speech synthesis is fine as long as it's either 1. trained with the author's con...

Well, considering Neuro is a synthesizer already our data is 100% synthetic

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

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actually i shouldn't mention that by name

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

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rigid snow quick tell me whos the author of neuros voice

i don't even know the author of hatsune miku's voice

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:32 PM

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nocturne olive Well, considering Neuro is a synthesizer already our data is 100% synthetic

ehhh ashley is based off and trained on someone real tho

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:33 PM

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Well, the data is synthetic because it's from a synthesizer

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:33 PM

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arguable, not the use of synthetic i intended

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:34 PM

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I mean how would you even generate synthetic machine learning model data for a complex model without a machine learning model?

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Either way, Vedal made Neuro's singing voice, so I see no problem in making another Neuro singing voice

maiden geyser Sep 17, 2025, 7:35 PM

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stray dragon don't really get the whole "that data is STOLEN it is unethical to use it" thing...

there are many things that are freely accessible, did you know you can watch full shrek movie on discord?

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:35 PM

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machine learning models are not inherently unethical

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i wouldn't know how to generate completely synthetic speech though

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 7:37 PM

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maiden geyser there are many things that are freely accessible, did you know you can watch ful...

why yes i did!

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:37 PM

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clear sedge i don't even know the author of hatsune miku's voice

the thing with miku is there IS a va, with neuro its:

a VA who recorded training data for microsoft tts ashley voice
vedal modified the pitch parameter, transforming it so much there is little resemblance to the VA already
not sure who exactly at this point but someone trained a voice synth model based on the vedal's variant
this model gets used by pb to cover songs as neuro
covers get their vocals extracted and either: an rvc model gets trained on them, or neurosynth gets trained directly
if rvc, rvc model gets used to generate training data for neurosynth

clear sedge Sep 17, 2025, 7:38 PM

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rigid snow the thing with miku is there IS a va, with neuro its: 1. a VA who recorded train...

cool, so it's someone who knew their voice would be used for speech synthesis

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:38 PM

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rigid snow the thing with miku is there IS a va, with neuro its: 1. a VA who recorded train...

Yeah NeuroSynth has so many steps in between
Current BETA-series models use RVC-generated data, 1.0 and onwards will skip the RVC step completely

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:40 PM

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are you doing this because it's difficult to "annotate" covers so you plop an rvc voice onto an already existing "annotated" vocal track

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or just because

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or too little covers

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idk how training data looks for voice synths though

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:41 PM

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rigid snow are you doing this because it's difficult to "annotate" covers so you plop an rv...

i'd imagine it's this

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:42 PM

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rigid snow are you doing this because it's difficult to "annotate" covers so you plop an rv...

Yeah, that's why
If it was as easy as RVC, which is plop audio in with no transcription of any kind, we'd already bet at 1.0, but for vocal synth you gotta transcribe the phonemes manually

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:43 PM

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is it just phonemes

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oh pitch detection right

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:43 PM

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Yeah phonemes
Pitch is automatic

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:43 PM

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phonemes could be automized

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with a comprehensive enough lyrics file

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:44 PM

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There's a tool to create a basic phoneme transcription, but it won't get the timings quite right and will make mistakes

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Did I mention the timings need to be accurate?

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:44 PM

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rigid snow with a comprehensive enough lyrics file

lrc extended comes to mind

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:44 PM

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nocturne olive Did I mention the timings need to be accurate?

Otherwise you get a model that goes T)IHAJTOIHASODXh TGOHAPISOEHtyPTOIHWEOIHTGYNIKOPLSJNM

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:45 PM

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nocturne olive Did I mention the timings need to be accurate?

right but that can be accurately synced by a model of some kind theoretically

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Well all of this stuff needs to be manually touched even though there is a tool to transcribe with semi-decent accuracy, but semi-decent is not sufficient

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The output has to be manually gone trough to fix it up

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:46 PM

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it's definitely easier to work with a mostly accurate transcription than with literally nothing

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:48 PM

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Yeah that's why we do it in the first place

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Though so far Wispers has not gotten much progress after his drive with the dataset on it died

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I'm sure we'll get there eventually though, and hopefully there's enough A#5 to finally get us that

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:49 PM

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does the rvc model fail to hit a#5

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:52 PM

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No, the base data lacks enough A#5, there's like one of them

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 7:52 PM

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i still think it could be extrapolated easily

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 7:52 PM

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Maybe, but so far what we've done has not been enough

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If you somehow know anyone that would be willing to work on the manual parts of the data transcription that would be kinda great considering Wispers is busy these times of the year

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:00 PM

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i am very not adjacent to voice synthesis, i am kind of in a different genre

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:00 PM

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It kinda takes knowing phonetics to do vocal synthesis
I'm starting to get reasonable at it but I'm still very new to it

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:00 PM

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rigid snow i still think it could be extrapolated easily

here's what i mean btw

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holy compression

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:02 PM

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rigid snow here's what i mean btw

this isn't touching formants at all, audible distortion doesn't come until like +-5st

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:02 PM

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rigid snow here's what i mean btw

Silly
Instead of pitching up the already rendered audio if we pitch up something we use the RVC pitch parameter though

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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OHH then just pitch the base songs??

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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rigid snow this isn't touching formants at all, audible distortion doesn't come until like ...

This is for machine learning, any even inaudible defects will be greatly amplified if they happen often

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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what's the problem?

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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rigid snow OHH then just pitch the base songs??

That's the next thing we're probably trying

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Wispers is just busy

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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literally every rvc tool i used has a pitch parameter

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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Yeah so does Applio

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:03 PM

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which just pitches the input audio

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:04 PM

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It adds to the internal pitch curve rather than the rendered audio pitch

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:04 PM

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does it

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:04 PM

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rigid snow which just pitches the input audio

i thought it did this

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:04 PM

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Well, why wouldn't it? That's the most non-disturbing way to do it

rigid snow Sep 17, 2025, 8:04 PM

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tbf i don't have a slightest clue how rvc works

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:05 PM

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The RVC model is fed feature and pitch information, and it retreives segments of audio from its index to fill it in

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Retreival-based Voice Changer

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Before conversion, the pitch and feature information is inferred separately from the input audio, so the pitch can be added to before feeding

rough bloom Sep 17, 2025, 8:06 PM

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nocturne olive Retreival-based Voice Changer

nERMd Retrieval-based Voice Conversion

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:06 PM

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Yeah something like that

rough bloom Sep 17, 2025, 8:06 PM

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it's core tech for your covers, get it right neuroSMH

nocturne olive Sep 17, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Eh, not any more

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NeuroSynth is the new core tech

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For a while though it was annoying that there was no GPU rendering on Linux for NeuroSynth, so I recently added it in myself
That sure was a lot of effort but completely worth it for over real-time speeds

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No more waiting a minute for an edit to a segment to render

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I can finally be productive

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 8:17 PM

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I think I figured it out after reading some papers on MCTS

stark needle Sep 17, 2025, 8:17 PM

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poll_question_text

Would you buy this

victor_answer_votes

3

total_votes

3

victor_answer_id

2

victor_answer_text

No

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I can store unified performance data for a state in a hash table

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instead of in particular tree nodes

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that would eliminate a whole bunch of useless moves ideally

obsidian mantle Sep 17, 2025, 8:53 PM

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Is this bot or api related

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:05 PM

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bot related

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api-related is im fixing the pins issue right now

mighty thorn Sep 17, 2025, 9:09 PM

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We should make the most intentionally poorly optimized game engine ever

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Like ever frame it redoes the entire scene

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Lighting is ray traced without any of the visual benefit

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Etc

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:10 PM

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probably not fun when taken to its limit

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only sorting function is bogobogosort

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hit first array sort and wait for 1 universe lifetime

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you wouldn't get a single frame

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salute

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i think the best outcome is actually a really well optimized engine that makes the problems extremely obvious

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like really obvious artifacting

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reversed mipmap where high res textures are only used at distance

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maximum screen tearing

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you could even have the world's shittiest AI frame gen for max motion sickness

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@trim valve pushed fix

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 9:17 PM

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🙏

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:17 PM

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good job on finding these bugs btw

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all very rare positions

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that last position, the only legal move was for a piece being pinned to move

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crazy

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 9:18 PM

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im installing creative cloud, i'm now an adobe user catdespair

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:18 PM

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olive sable im installing creative cloud, i'm now an adobe user <:catdespair:108752198281750...

catdespair

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why

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 9:18 PM

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school

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:19 PM

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condolences

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 9:22 PM

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my uni cancelled their adobe contract this month so no free creative cloud anymore FOCUS

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 9:31 PM

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neuro7

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 9:33 PM

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i use photoshop maybe once a year tbf so not much lost there

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 9:37 PM

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uci
ucinewgame
position fen 3kqb1r/2p4p/rpb5/p1PppP2/PB1Kn3/1P1PPp1P/1R6/1N2QBNR w - e6 0 25
go infinite

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@real sierra forced en passant om

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:38 PM

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🥀 wtf

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always en passant

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this is a CRAZY position

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forced en passant

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 9:44 PM

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that took 8k games to find as well

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:51 PM

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huh

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thats rare

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it's a flaw with the pseudo-legal move finder

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it's not seeing the move

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wait this is so complicated

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because

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TheVoices wtf

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you can have situations where

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the piece you want to capture with en passant

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is pinned to the king

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and then you cant take it

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what a dumb rule

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worst chess feature

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 9:57 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

Tenor

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 9:57 PM

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have to throw all the other logic out the window

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this is why i have a separate function JUST for evaluating if en passant is legal

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but it only happens in

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REALLY SPECIFIC cases

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because other times you CAN take that piece

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depending on the pin direction

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bruh

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vertical pin = en passant pinned piece capture ok

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other pin = bad

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 10:01 PM

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shiro if its any consolation I've sucessfully played 25k games without crashing

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 10:01 PM

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Stronge

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 10:01 PM

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it was just insane luck it found that position

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 10:01 PM

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last bug?

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 10:03 PM

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1B1q1b2/3k1pR1/3pp3/p1pP1brp/1pPK1PnP/1P2P1n1/P5B1/RN1Q4 w - c6 0 35 it died at 27k to another forced en passant

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Player: rust-chess-bot (release) (a)
   "Draw by 3-fold repetition": 22158
   "Draw by fifty moves rule": 228
   "Draw by insufficient mating material": 1010
   "Draw by stalemate": 509
   "Loss: Black mates": 754
   "Loss: White mates": 769
   "No result": 2
   "Win: Black mates": 785
   "Win: White disconnects": 1
   "Win: White mates": 771

om

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 10:03 PM

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1/27000 chance

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ok i think i fixed the legal move generator, now for the pseudo-legal move generator

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i legit dont know whats wrong here

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uuh

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OH

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no wait i still dont know

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im ordering food this is hurting me

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actually

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im not sure ive ever had to load an en passant square from a fen

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does this even work right

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n neurOMEGALUL

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good try lil buddy

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starts working immediately

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crazy

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 10:15 PM

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trim valve `1B1q1b2/3k1pR1/3pp3/p1pP1brp/1pPK1PnP/1P2P1n1/P5B1/RN1Q4 w - c6 0 35` it died a...

the move here, d5c6, is absolutely insane

#

not only is the white king in check

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but the only way out of the check is en passant

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and after this forced move

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the pawn that just did en passant puts the black king in check

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bro is a pawn

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does not need to be doing all that

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 10:22 PM

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https://github.com/triton-lang/triton/pull/7298/commits/a5e23d8e7e64b8a11af3edc1705407d91084b01d nvidia pls neuroCry

GitHub

[Gluon][Tutorial] Persistent attention by Mogball · Pull Request #...

Rewrite the attention kernel to be persistent. This gives better performance at low-contexts. However, fp16 at large context has suffered a bit due to a ptxas instruction scheduling issue in the so...

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 10:22 PM

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@trim valve pushed new

opaque sigil Sep 17, 2025, 10:23 PM

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i wonder if they're doing some -ffast-math-esque shenanigans

trim valve Sep 17, 2025, 10:24 PM

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real sierra <@477034228366966785> pushed new

🙏

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trying to decide if I should sleep or set off a new chess fuzzing round

olive sable Sep 17, 2025, 10:48 PM

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Sleep

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Goodnight Sleep

warped narwhal Sep 17, 2025, 10:52 PM

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ah yes, this error makes perfect sense! mhm

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the guild was incorrectly identified as a guild!

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:14 PM

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WHAT

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new colour

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no longer even number

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neuroSadA

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:21 PM

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20 tokens to implement this feature

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MONKAS

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:22 PM

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real sierra 20 tokens to implement this feature

nomp

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SMH

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:23 PM

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BigBrain save tokens by reusing existing variables

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:23 PM

#

susge

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:24 PM

#

sage crag <:susge:1326950159279722560>

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code almost all macros now

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neuroPogHD

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:24 PM

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this is awful

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MyHonestReaction

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:24 PM

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saves tokens

#

wait

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= NULL; can just be eq_0_sc

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pogs

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:25 PM

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shr

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:25 PM

#

konii konii

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:27 PM

#

real sierra konii konii

have you considered

#

#define int_i int i

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:28 PM

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sage crag `#define int_i int i`

perhaps even with a comma at the end

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enub

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:28 PM

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i use i for all my loops already so int i already part of macro YES

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it not in many function defs

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:29 PM

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int x(a, b) int a; int b; {
}

apparently this is valid c

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:29 PM

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in fact it only in that function def

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:29 PM

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im wondering if there's a way to abuse it

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:29 PM

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sage crag ```c int x(a, b) int a; int b; { } ``` apparently this is valid c

huhExplode what?

#

how is that valid

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:29 PM

#

ye it just is

#

#

#

int x(a, b) int a, b; {
    return a + b;
}

holy

#

this is also valid

#

does that save tokens yet

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:30 PM

#

noper

#

every param needs its name twice now

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tho

#

actually

warped narwhal Sep 17, 2025, 11:32 PM

#

real sierra how is that valid

The curly braces create a scope

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:32 PM

#

int a, b; --> #define ints(__VA_ARGS__) ) int __VA_ARGS__ ; {

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:32 PM

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real sierra `int a, b;` --> `#define ints(__VA_ARGS__) ) int __VA_ARGS__ ; {`

#define args a, b
int x(args) int args; {
    return a + b;
}

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:38 PM

#

sage crag ```c #define args a, b int x(args) int args; { return a + b; } ```

is uh

#

is argv mutable

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:39 PM

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real sierra is `argv` mutable

argv is mutable but the value at argv is not

#

wait

#

it may be

#

its on the program stack

#

argv => **char

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:40 PM

#

so

#

that means

#

*argv is large enough to hold a pointer

#

new storage unlocked

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:40 PM

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real sierra so

fun fact

#

if you compile with -std=c89 or -stc=c90

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int is implicit return type in function declaration

#

main() {
  return 0;
}

valid okp

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:41 PM

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using c23

#

YES

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:41 PM

#

real sierra using c23

neuroSadA

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:41 PM

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too many tokens NOOO

#

gotta simplify this condition

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:44 PM

#

real sierra gotta simplify this condition

which

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 11:44 PM

#

some macros and a few more features later and i don't think i can really push it down any further without a big redesign

#

just needs actual testing because i have STILL never run this thing once

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:46 PM

#

im at 1036 tokens

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catdespair

#

need to shave 12

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 11:46 PM

#

good luck lol

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:47 PM

#

or it crashes

#

WICKEDIGUESS

#

need to fix the bug whatever it is

#

why crashing Sadgi

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:48 PM

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i like how .uk tlds are just inexplicably half price of everything else

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:48 PM

#

real sierra why crashing <:Sadgi:1173918619260944394>

awa

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:49 PM

#

fast pagoda i like how .uk tlds are just inexplicably half price of everything else

ye it because this country half price

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evilNod

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:49 PM

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oh duh

#

im dum

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:49 PM

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half price rooks

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:51 PM

#

no it didnt fix it

#

why crash Sadgi

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:53 PM

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bro did i miss the part where it's time to make these chess beasts in the 12 hours ive been away

#

link

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:54 PM

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nah im just working on my submission a bit early

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:54 PM

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that's illegal

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:54 PM

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i figure ill have to spend tons of time bugfixing and doing Q&A during the contest

#

so i think it balances out

#

i also need to make sure there's no features the API is lacking

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:55 PM

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i will respond to hate mail slightly less effectively

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:55 PM

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what better way to test than leveraging it

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:55 PM

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as long as i didnt somehow miss the entire contest LULE

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 11:56 PM

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official shiro api when

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:56 PM

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modmail

real sierra Sep 17, 2025, 11:56 PM

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fast pagoda as long as i didnt somehow miss the entire contest <:LULE:1094340213997838477>

nah you're good lol

stray dragon Sep 17, 2025, 11:57 PM

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shiro api is_birthday function that always returns true when

fast pagoda Sep 17, 2025, 11:57 PM

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you never know, sometimes i come back and there's been a tangent about triangles for 16 hours straight and i missed everything

sage crag Sep 17, 2025, 11:59 PM

#

#define next ;goto *optable[*pc++];

#define concat_inner(a, b) a##b
#define concat(...) concat_inner(__VA_ARGS__)

#define op(...) concat(op, __COUNTER__): __VA_ARGS__ next

void vm_run(unsigned *pc) {
    void *optable[] = {
        &&op0, &&op1
    }
    next
    op(return)
    op(printf("hello!\n"))
}

its almost so pretty but

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computed goto is such a waste of tokens

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neuroSadA

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:01 AM

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yeah i go by factory time

#

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-game-spin-gif-24375602

Tenor

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:06 AM

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im so lost

#

#

i broke malloc?

sick owl Sep 18, 2025, 12:07 AM

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https://www.webpronews.com/google-pixel-10-gpu-struggles-tensor-g5-drivers-cause-lag-updates-promise-30-boost/

WebProNews

Google Pixel 10 GPU Struggles: Tensor G5 Drivers Cause Lag, Updates...

Google's Pixel 10 faces criticism for underwhelming GPU performance in gaming and editing, attributed to outdated drivers throttling the Tensor G5 chip. Benchmarks and user reports show lags behind competitors, but experts predict software updates could boost performance by 30% or more. A swift fix might salvage its reputation and highlight Goog...

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Releasing a device without GPU drivers compatible with its OS is crazy work

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:08 AM

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sick owl https://www.webpronews.com/google-pixel-10-gpu-struggles-tensor-g5-drivers-cause...

alexa please play despacito

sick owl Sep 18, 2025, 12:08 AM

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:juh:

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:08 AM

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google and making the most asinine hardware choices just to give people a thing to shit on every pixel for

#

name a more iconic duo

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:09 AM

#

real sierra

it done corrupted itself during realloc

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:09 AM

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not really

#

sure what i do about that

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:09 AM

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well after

sick owl Sep 18, 2025, 12:09 AM

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sick owl Releasing a device without GPU drivers compatible with its OS is crazy work

Non sloppa article

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https://www.notebookcheck.net/Good-news-for-Pixel-10-owners-GPU-performance-issues-could-be-fixed-by-simple-driver-update.1116480.0.html

Notebookcheck

Good news for Pixel 10 owners, GPU performance issues could be fixe...

Pixel 10 users have noticed major performance issues related to the underwhelming GPU output. Depending on how quickly Google acts on it, it seems like the issues can be fixed with a GPU driver update.

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It stays at 396 MHz under load rn neurOMEGALUL

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No wonder early review benches were underwhelming

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:10 AM

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ionno but something aint purty in the free memory list that malloc read at #6 so it's wrong somehow

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:12 AM

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this is the other thread

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:12 AM

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sick owl It stays at 396 MHz under load rn <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>

sounds about right

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:14 AM

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real sierra

well it cancelled properly when the other thread exploded lol but it doesnt look like anything else happened in this thread besides chilling like a boss

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:14 AM

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how broke malloc

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NeuroBwaa

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OH

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figured out

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when reroot, make child new root

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but didnt clear old parent of child which points to garbage now

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:18 AM

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garbage collection is fun :^)

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:27 AM

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its kinda amazing how you can always find a few more tokens

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i remembered calloc exists and wiped a line

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also replaced all sizeof with numbers catdespair

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:27 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/magic-confetti-awesome-gif-11884906

Tenor

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god dammit of course GPG added the accidental space i entered after my passphrase when generating the key... to the passphrase
ive been so confused till i went and highlighted what i had entered in my terminal again

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reeeee

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:42 AM

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@stray dragon how strong is your bot

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have you tested it at all yet

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:42 AM

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my vm is so busted

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evilWheeze

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:42 AM

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MONKA ?

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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i can fit so much code in here

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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that's not the kind of busted i expected

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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if i implement a streaming decompressor for the bytecode i can get even more

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MyHonestReaction

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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im terrified

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how much code do you need tho

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sus

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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how big is stockfish

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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gonna be hard to write the assembly

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:43 AM

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evilShrug not sure i've only written a chess bot once

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:44 AM

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real sierra gonna be hard to write the assembly

nope im gonna write an assembler in python MyHonestReaction

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:44 AM

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theres a certain irony to an interpreted assembler

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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little sneak peak into terror

uint8_t *pc = (uint64_t[]){ 0x0000000000000001 };

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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fast pagoda how big is stockfish

is stockfish ML

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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sometimes

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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sage crag little sneak peak into terror ```c uint8_t *pc = (uint64_t[]){ 0x000000000000000...

global MyHonestReaction

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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stockfish does its general position eval using neural nets i think

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on top of every other optimization, of course

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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currently it does yeah in the new ones

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:45 AM

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yeah

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seems to be the way most good chess engines are leaning

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machine learning position eval

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meanwhile my bot still cant figure out endgames Gladge

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:46 AM

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its like NNUE right

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:46 AM

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yes

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:46 AM

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funny

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:46 AM

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the vm source code file is 270 bytes neuroPogHD

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it doesnt do anything yet though...

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because i dont have a certain api MyHonestReaction

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:47 AM

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someone came up with it for shogi and they slapped it on chess and it went crazy
super small network

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use this in conversation with normies: Lizard SCReLU

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:50 AM

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my friend use define mydih long long

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:50 AM

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heh heh

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alright time to read up on chess engines more since it seems close and ive been lazy

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 12:52 AM

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real sierra have you tested it at all yet

no i am waiting for your api functions lol

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:54 AM

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stray dragon no i am waiting for your api functions lol

NeurOhISee

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right

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 12:54 AM

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i imagine it'll be fairly good, searches up to 7 turns ahead with pruning and an evaluation function that uses a 720 parameter FFN

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:54 AM

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i keep forgetting i havent started the contest yet

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quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:54 AM

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yall creating a chess bot?

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neurOMEGALUL

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:54 AM

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omg toki

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have you not heard why i keep talking about chess 24/7

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:55 AM

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real sierra have you not heard why i keep talking about chess 24/7

im new

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NeurOhISee

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 12:55 AM

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hi new

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:55 AM

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shiro has been agonizing over an API for a chess bot tournament with token limitations (single source file, 1024 tokens? submissions) in w/e language that can talk to the api

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:55 AM

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nono this is something recent

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so recent it hasnt happened yet

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yes what afunyun said

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chess bot tournament neuroHypers

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coming soon

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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is it 1024 tokens for sure

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Noted

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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chayleaf is making some modifications to the token counter

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so depending on how that plays out it may vary

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but its probably 1024

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and certainly not smaller

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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more compiler warnings means better usage of tokens

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evilNod

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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real sierra chess bot tournament <:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922>

can i join neuroHypers

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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quiet mirage can i join<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922>

YES

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open to everyone!

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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quiet mirage can i join<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922>

no, you are BANNED from this tournament

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:56 AM

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it just hasnt started yet

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

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stray dragon no, you are BANNED from this tournament

neuroD

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

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sage crag more compiler warnings means better usage of tokens

you know it's 31337 if the compiler says wtf bruh

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

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there'll be an event ping for it when it starts mhm

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

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sage crag more compiler warnings means better usage of tokens

TRUE

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

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stray dragon TRUE

Comments are not allowed in this language imageremovebgpreview

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

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comments are not allowed in this language

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bruh

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compiler-enforced lack of documentation

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as it should be

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:58 AM

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that's what separates us from the other hominid class great apes
the ability to intentionally confound compilers for fun and profit

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 12:58 AM

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stray dragon no, you are BANNED from this tournament

what did i do chat i gonna cry neuroSob

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:58 AM

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quiet mirage what did i do chat i gonna cry <:neuroSob:1069255117427200091>

being new is a terrible, terrible transgression

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 12:58 AM

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quiet mirage what did i do chat i gonna cry <:neuroSob:1069255117427200091>

cry harder because you are not getting an unban

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 12:58 AM

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i googled opening books to find some for the tournament, how did i end up here NAHH

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:59 AM

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(t is in a hospital for hallucinations)

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 12:59 AM

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real sierra i googled opening books to find some for the tournament, how did i end up here <...

the sacred texts

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damn $190 for a fully featured, assembled AND tested tape drive controller with all that connectivity

quiet mirage Sep 18, 2025, 1:00 AM

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NeurOhISee

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:00 AM

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where do i mail the order

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oh it's at the bottom

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thank goodness

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wonder if they're still taking orders

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:01 AM

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maybe i should just make a silly improvised version of the api just to run tests

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:01 AM

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make a shitty one that works better than the real one

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ruin shiro's life

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:01 AM

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im going to make the only vm operand type be f64 evilWheeze

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:01 AM

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sage crag im going to make the only vm operand type be f64 <:evilWheeze:134617356697390701...

horror

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:02 AM

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sage crag im going to make the only vm operand type be f64 <:evilWheeze:134617356697390701...

honestly why not

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:02 AM

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real sierra honestly why not

index registers by f64 catdespair

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:02 AM

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the real long long

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:02 AM

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is a register machine even good idea

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or should i just make a stack machine

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evilThink

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:02 AM

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you can still type convert it cant you

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:02 AM

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ye

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:03 AM

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then fine

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registers[(int) fval];

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sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:03 AM

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well i mean for the obvious case of operands im gonna do bitpacking instead of a full f64

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enub

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but like, immediate operands

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f64 evilNod

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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sus why do you need floats anyway...

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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real sierra <:sus:1233419406558892124> why do you need floats anyway...

eval colonthree

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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yeah i move 0011111111110000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to e4

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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sage crag eval <:colonthree:1301250267143999569>

sus

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do you really need floats for eval

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just use large ints

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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real sierra do you really need floats for eval

yeah

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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only chess bot ive written used fp eval but im down to write int only eval

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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then the remainder doesnt matter much

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:04 AM

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fixed point isnt really

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uh

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good

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enub

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for token usage that is

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:05 AM

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it fine

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it perfect

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Copege

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:05 AM

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FlowerCatJAM

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why do i see so much for(;;) when while(1) is less tokens

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SMH

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i should just assume bot never exits catdespair

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:06 AM

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all tokens to the translation layer

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Prayge

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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ye

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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hello!

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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pogs

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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hello!

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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hello!

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Happie 💬

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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what a strapping young lad

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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hello!

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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hello!

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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h1vm is real FeelsStrongMan

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:07 AM

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it has no registers

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MyHonestReaction

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do vms even need registers

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:08 AM

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i also cant remember anything

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i understnad

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:08 AM

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who needs registers when you have fighting spirit

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:08 AM

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really it only needs memory ops

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enub

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heap machine

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neuroPogHD

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:08 AM

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is that really just supposed to be an enum but eliv

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i'm so fuckin dumb man

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:09 AM

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if you think about it, get_legal_moves() just allocates and returns a buffer

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doesnt explicitly say what to do with it

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:09 AM

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lord writing this bot is gonna be hell

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MyHonestReaction

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:09 AM

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do you want the api header by chance

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to help you along

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:09 AM

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shiro i am sure your documentation will be tip top and well researched + approved by committee?

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:09 AM

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competition didnt start yet

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:10 AM

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true

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i need a timeline from chay on the tcount changes

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and i need bred to fuzz the api again
]

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because i think i introduced a new bug somehow NeuroBwaa

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or my bot just sucks

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:10 AM

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your malloc bug earlier could have ended up as a nice CVE

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:10 AM

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/*print*/ op(__builtin_printf("hello!\n"))
/*go back*/ op(pc-=2)

my code is

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:mhm:

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:11 AM

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sage crag ```c /*print*/ op(__builtin_printf("hello!\n")) /*go back*/ op(pc-=2) ``` my cod...

tournament ready

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:11 AM

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yup

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chess programs expecting UCI and they just get

hello!
hello!
hello!
...

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:12 AM

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UCI spec does define a command
info string <yourstringhere> \n

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which just prints the string to the gui allegedly

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:12 AM

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sage crag ```c /*print*/ op(__builtin_printf("hello!\n")) /*go back*/ op(pc-=2) ``` my cod...

if anyone is curious, yes this does in fact use __COUNTER__

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evilWheeze

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:12 AM

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endgame fail again dejj

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cannot solve these

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:13 AM

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i plan on introducing chaos into my moves (theyre not wrong theyre intentionally chaotic using fuzzy logic adapted from japanese traditional art of fuzzy rice cooker logic)

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rng -> forfeit true combo

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:13 AM

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real sierra do you want the api header by chance

oh ye also i already have the api header

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smolevilcreature

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:13 AM

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collusion

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:13 AM

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sage crag oh ye also i already have the api header

it's changed slightly

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:14 AM

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neuroNoodles

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:14 AM

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big change is that the docs now use doxygen formatting so vscode renders function defs nicely on hover

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YES

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:14 AM

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bespoke

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 1:15 AM

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real sierra big change is that the docs now use doxygen formatting so vscode renders functio...

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:15 AM

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catdespair my bot just lost to the random bot

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:15 AM

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destroyed

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:15 AM

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its so annoying

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:15 AM

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he's just like me fr though

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:15 AM

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my bot is great at wiping up material

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but then it gets to the endgame and just

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shuffles pieces around until draw

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:16 AM

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wasnt that neuro's problem last time she was chess engining

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:16 AM

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dont remember

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ages ago now

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Oldge

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:16 AM

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im pretty sure she had the same issue and couldnt close a game worth shit

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:16 AM

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yea closing games hard apparently

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a good heuristic i saw for endgame stage is to reward the enemy king being far from the center

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but that kind of mechanism doesnt make sense in my framework

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:18 AM

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i will take that to mean heuristics in general are incompatible with your framework mhm

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:18 AM

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mhm thats pretty much what it means outside of some things

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:19 AM

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i like it

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these games will be something else

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magnus will be in attendance i hope

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:25 AM

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what did i just witness

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my bot drew the game on purpose?

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??????????

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:26 AM

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better than loss

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:26 AM

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no its not

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that was a win in the bag

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:26 AM

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he's just a baby maybe something made it think it was boutta lose

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the one heuristic left betrayed him

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:26 AM

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white to play

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in this position do you go for a draw

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:27 AM

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oh yeah unwinnable really

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lol

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:27 AM

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literally

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:27 AM

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got nerves due to winning too hard

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:27 AM

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f7

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and then f8

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and its mate

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:27 AM

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ff15 boys pack it in

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:27 AM

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but my bot pulls this shit

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5 minutes on the clock and it spends under a second on each of those moves

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bruh

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throw

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:28 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-villager-minecraft-minecraft-villager-gif-27313374

Tenor

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he saw the unseeable

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:31 AM

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Hmm

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what if i dont propogate draws anymore

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so drawn games are just replayed

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:32 AM

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malicious tournament denial of service through draws

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:32 AM

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i just need my bot to not be scared of winning

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:33 AM

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trap the vmbot in the eternal draw dungeon

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maybe he just never thought he'd have such a good position so he shit himself

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happens to the best of us

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it's only human

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:35 AM

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i think this is a bad change

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the draw propogation is important mhm

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a move frequently leading to draws is info too

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i wonder if putting a hard cap on the search horizon would help

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:41 AM

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i can only think that something about how it evaluated that particular board position is off bigtime

if it's properly evaluating a draw as like 0 it has to have somehow came to the conclusion that moving queen to f7 is worse than that

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i think it might actually be too shallow of a search being the problem

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:42 AM

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fast pagoda i can only think that something about how it evaluated that particular board pos...

theres probably a bug somewhere i cant find

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you know what

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how about i just count draws as bad outcomes for everyone

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bad for me

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bad for you

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nobody wants a draw

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out for blood

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:43 AM

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now that's thinking with your sledgehammer

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but yeah i think if it was searching for possible moves after queen->f7 it must've hit some weird scary spooky board state before it ever found the correct queen->f8 win condition

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:44 AM

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well i didnt learn anything from this game

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:45 AM

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fast pagoda but yeah i think if it was searching for possible moves after queen->f7 it must'...

its possible

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im not using a traditional search tree with iterative deepening

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in particular my algorithm is very up to random chance

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:46 AM

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ok i now want to have a diffusion sampling based bot

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:47 AM

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oh

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no i know why i cant win endgames

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its my tie breaking method

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basically

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if we reach a stalemate position but have significantly more material

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we consider it a win

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because something went right and we can probably win with at least part of that move sequence

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:48 AM

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so basically draw wasn't 0

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not truly

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:48 AM

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well no this is separate from actual draws ish

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this is just counting some draws as not draws

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before i was talking about how i handle actual draws

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but uh

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the problem with this method is that it looks at absolute material instead of a material delta

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and in the endgame after i eat all the enemy pieces

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i always have way more

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:49 AM

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hoarderbot9000

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:49 AM

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so every move sequence, even ones that draw

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count for max points

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i probably need to eval my current material at the start and look for change in material

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:50 AM

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man he was absolutely pogging after that draw and you just ruined his whole parade yelling at him

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poor thing

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:50 AM

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LOL dumbass bot

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:50 AM

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man i don't wanna make my own board functions for this.

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:50 AM

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for what

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:50 AM

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i want to test but i have no way to test

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because

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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Tomfoolery Tssk no testing until the contest starts

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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smh you asked me how good it was

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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i know i keep forgetting

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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finish the api smhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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i just need chayleaf to tell me tcount is done

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or tell me tcount wont be done

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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wait that's it?

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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and then i need bred to fuzz the api and find bugs

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to make sure theres no more

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 1:51 AM

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oh

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:52 AM

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theres very few left i think

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but maybe 1 or 2 somewhere

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that or my bot is broken

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likely the latter

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:54 AM

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thinking about it honestly draws being BAD rather than meh is probably good in the context of how limited the bots themselves are able to be within the token limit

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:54 AM

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just lost to random again AINTNOWAY

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idea

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lichess analysis board

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:55 AM

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new GIGANEURO
improved GIGAEVIL
worse than random GIGAVEDAL Looking

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:55 AM

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give me your stockfish knowledge

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who makes better moves

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holy the eval flip flop

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:57 AM

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between what stockfish and lichess ? lichess uses stockfish for the analysis board

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16 tho

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:57 AM

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i had my bot play against random bot

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im just having stockfish commentate

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:58 AM

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oh

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lol

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you were invoking the arcane chess pointers

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i see now

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:58 AM

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negative = my bot winning

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:58 AM

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prodigy

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 1:58 AM

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real sierra negative = my bot winning

Shiro is so intelligent Stronge Clap

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:58 AM

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converting that to a loss

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epic

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:59 AM

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none of my bots moves are what stockfish suggests

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:59 AM

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fuzzy logic

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 1:59 AM

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HOLY and then my bot makes a legendary fumble

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even i knew this move was bad watching it

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 1:59 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/ricolino-scolari-gif-25352670

Tenor

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:00 AM

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real sierra even i knew this move was bad watching it

Shiro wtf is this

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:01 AM

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oh cool android finally has react native

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:01 AM

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discord patch notes

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:01 AM

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the android discord app has been a dumpster fire for years

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:01 AM

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Developers showing soo much life and excitement NOTED

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:02 AM

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burnt ridge Developers showing soo much life and excitement <a:NOTED:1162700558893842452>

its because the devs dont actually work on discord

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all they do is write the patch notes SMH

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the interns are writing the updates

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:02 AM

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and those interns? believe it or not they're delegating the work to gemma 3n (discord doesnt make money so they cant pay for more)

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:03 AM

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This option is sooo shit in samsung. All this does is delay the app installing for another 45 seconds. It's soooo slow

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:03 AM

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mcafee

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:04 AM

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rage_cat

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:04 AM

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fast pagoda oh cool android finally has react native

What is that

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:04 AM

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Yo

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Tommorow from School

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:04 AM

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also apparently disco has been on react native for a solid minute on android and i missed the boat//didnt care so theyre just talking about react native's new archi (which it says but im blinded by bias)

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:05 AM

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im going to use a dynamic width integer in my bytecode

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evilWheeze

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:05 AM

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sage crag im going to use a dynamic width integer in my bytecode

Koni cutie! evilSoCute

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:05 AM

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my bot just had to make this one move and it was mate

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:05 AM

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burnt ridge Koni cutie! <a:evilSoCute:1128804811270267010>

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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burnt ridge What is that

basically react native got refactored internally to be better ™ in a lot of ways that dont really matter here
they updated to use the new version so theoretically discord should work more betterer

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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but naturally

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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real sierra my bot just had to make this one move and it was mate

I think 98% done

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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put the rook in time out

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BigBrain

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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shiro i think your bot is stupid

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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1024 tokens of stupidity

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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and react native is just react (a web UI framework) but it works with native platform integrations and thus is a lot faster

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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my bot could beat up your bot

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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sage crag 1024 tokens of stupidity

True

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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say what you will

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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my bot could too (random moves)

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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my bot is legendary at erasing the enemy pieces

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its just

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very scared of winning for some reason

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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sage crag my bot could too (random moves)

hello!

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:06 AM

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and actively avoids checkmate?

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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stray dragon my bot could beat up your bot

You used chatgpt rage_cat

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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burnt ridge You used chatgpt <a:rage_cat:1396369630359982220>

i didn't

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at any point

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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koniigpt

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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SUS

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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me helpful

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:07 AM

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real sierra and actively avoids checkmate?

Wtf is mean
Bot technically avoided winning

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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hollow spruce Wtf is mean Bot technically avoided winning

bot could win in one move
but did something else

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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i already had an algorithm in mind before starting this, as a response to shiro chessposting in general

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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i had chatgpt playwright browse a documentation site yesterday cuz they blocked fetch requests so it just sat there extremely slowly navigating to each page and pooping out markdown versions

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that was fun

burnt ridge Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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stray dragon i already had an algorithm in mind before starting this, as a response to shiro ...

NOTED tgpt

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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gpt without the gp

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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burnt ridge <a:NOTED:1162700558893842452> tgpt

i'm not ai smh

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:08 AM

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gpt/gp = t

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FlowerCatJAM

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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neuroNOWAYING

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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real sierra gpt without the gp

i don't generate anything and i'm not pretrained

sage crag Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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bot without healthcare

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evilNod

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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GPt: Grandmaster Player t

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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i am both pretrained and generate garbage via my mouth and fingers

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Chatgpt is master piece who changed the world but i didn't agree ure code fully relat on chatgpt

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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sage crag bot without healthcare

noooo

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:09 AM

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do bots need healthcare

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:10 AM

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fast pagoda do bots need healthcare

Yes

stray dragon Sep 18, 2025, 2:10 AM

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i'm not a bot

real sierra Sep 18, 2025, 2:10 AM

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my bot needs a lot of healthcare

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despair

fast pagoda Sep 18, 2025, 2:10 AM

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what is the point of having claude replace my entire employeebase if i still have to pay for healthcare

hollow spruce Sep 18, 2025, 2:10 AM

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