programming

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

not telling you to use that in bot

use it when talking about move

[real sierra]

my bot spits out moves in this format so im just copy pasting it over here instead of converting it first

why the extra steps

[olive sable]

which one is rook 1 tho?

[real sierra]

regardless

i dont think it sees the castle

it says 10 legal moves

and i see 9 rook moves + 1 normal king move

back to debugging

[sage crag]

are silly?

its specifying rank or file

[olive sable]

yes

[real sierra]

two rooks cant be on the same file and rank at the same time (or they're in the same place)

[olive sable]

ohhhh

[real sierra]

so you figure out which they differ on and give that letter/number

to tell apart

[olive sable]

yep, those are correct besides no castle

[amber fractal]

Short version:
A twist on pick a card, where if you don't pick the correct card the lowest card gets removed. If it is the required card it gets reallocated somewhere else. If you pick it then the amount of cards doubles.
I'd want to have some meta currency where you can gamble on each round. With bot's goal to make as much as it can in a particular timeframe.
Still need to figure out some decent balancing for it

[real sierra]

thats curious

i think the bot might be xraying the black king

and thinking the queen attacks the entire bottom rank

but then why isnt it in check

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

If I want to do more with it like power ups I'll have to do a lot more balancing. I'll keep it in mind.

[olive sable]

i have some leftovers from friday

[tender river]

fake

[olive sable]

aight imma eat

[real sierra]

OH

i got the path masks mixed up somehow

swapped queenside with kingside

ok

so

it now says 11 moves so i assume its fixed

however

my bot refuses to play it

[olive sable]

bug or dumb bot? maybe both?

[real sierra]

intended behaviour

line is short enough that bot can see it ends in stalemate

but as the bot is coded

it considers stalemates with a lot of material difference as a loss

[olive sable]

huh

okay

[real sierra]

(this is because a draw from the 50 move rule with high material gap indicates it woud probably lose)

(my way around MCTS rarely mating)

but yeah

because of that it just sees "if i play castle, i lose"

and does literally anything else

which is fun

"no surrender" ahh

ill throw it in another game vs itself and see if it finds castle

new bug it didnt see a pin

[hollow spruce]

Build

[real sierra]

i dont know how it played this invalid move

i cant reproduce it in testing

?

[hollow spruce]

en passant

[real sierra]

some of the moves for this position the bot found

[hollow spruce]

en passant

[stray dragon]

he's right

en passant

[real sierra]

thats not all of the legal moves

just some

i got tired of reading the list

[stray dragon]

wait no

[real sierra]

and yeah

black queen just moved

so en passant no longer valid for black if it was

white to move now

[hollow spruce]

It image load complete ✅
Not vailed move for en passant

God dang too slow network

[real sierra]

fixed

sweet

every fix makes my bot smarter

because the lines it analyzes no longer have fake moves

[tender river]

[real sierra]

i gotta add the threefold repetition rule

[olive sable]

my headphones died

i love bt headphones but having to charge them is a pain

at least they last 20 hours, and you get an hour for charging 5 min

not a bad trade-off

[real sierra]

if im getting into this territory

its probably time for zobrist hashing

[olive sable]

im looking at what phone ill buy since ill probably get a new one for christmass or something.
"chromebook go gift" man i dont want your fuckign chromebook ewaste celeron N4050 ass shitty no fps no ram no gpu no bitches laptop

this is activly making me not want to buy that

can i refuse the offer? how does this work?

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile mine work in pure wired mode and Bluetooth mode

[olive sable]

mine work wired too, but not while charging

[nocturne olive]

And pure wired mode runs off of power from the headphone connector so it doesn't drain the battery

[olive sable]

and id rather wait 7 minutes than having to use a cable

[nocturne olive]

Mine work wired while charging too, just there's noise from a ground loop or something

[olive sable]

ye i dont want that

i meant that they dont work via bluetooth while charging, they do work wired

do i get a pixel 9, 9 pro, 10, S25+ or a S25?

the S25+ is cheaper than the non +

i could also get an older phone for less money, S23 ultra is only 600 while the S25+ is 900

oh its refurbished

[pine owl]

S25 has alot of upgrades from the S23

[olive sable]

i can get a brands new s22 ultra for 622

but is it worth spending 300 extra for a newer phone?

they make getting a phone so difficult these days

[pine owl]

depends

if you're looking for the upgrades that the newer one has then I suggest it

otherwise not

the S25 I believe has a larger ssd and better camera for some main points

[olive sable]

th epixel 9 pro is also cheaper than the base model

wtf are these comapnies doing?

[pine owl]

idk

It rlly makes me feel smart tho

[amber fractal]

Alright, I'll write test cases for the new NN modules later. I cut a lot of corners while making them.

[olive sable]

S25+ for 900, S22 ultra for 622, or pixel 9 pro XL for 992
22 has more storage, but i dont use much anyways.
none of these have an sd card slot tho, and id like to have that since im already using one that has all my pictures

9pro doesnt have hdr, which is a gimmick on a phone anyways so no big deal

all are 120hz and roughly 3K

[pine owl]

I am the best programmer

HAI 1.2

IM IN YR LOOPY WILE WIN

    GTFO

IM OUTTA YR LOOPY

KTHXBYE

[real sierra]

@olive sable i know the gpu is just dying to run this one

[olive sable]

not even only gpu

simd

[real sierra]

still gonna be slow as heck

good thing you only need to do this once a turn

it will save more time than it loses

[olive sable]

just simd that bro

[olive sable]

pixel 9 pro xl loses in almost every meaningful metric apparently.

im debating the s22 ultra, its better than the s25+ in everything besides cpu

[hollow spruce]

Samsung processor is worst

[olive sable]

nah, they're rather good

even exynos is not too bad anymore

[amber fractal]

The fricking urge to !eliv play binary solace

Nope, not in the archives

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

Sad

I would assume it to be under duet if it was there

[amber fractal]

I checked both duet and other

[nocturne olive]

@true hemlock Add thingy to radio

[true hemlock]

epic

[nocturne olive]

MP3

[true hemlock]

i should fr add fallback for other format

[nocturne olive]

True

Storing MP3 that gets re-encoded to OPUS is dumb

[true hemlock]

it works perfectly fine but

for some reason on mobile the codec shits itself

[nocturne olive]

How weird

[amber fractal]

Man I just sent it in dms

[true hemlock]

or just that mobile discord codec is pretty shit

[nocturne olive]

I assume mobile Discord just uses a lower bitrate OPUS

[amber fractal]

The audio quality atm is something

[nocturne olive]

Of the radio?

[amber fractal]

Yeah, could be me tho

[true hemlock]

desktop?

[amber fractal]

mobile, which is the issue

[nocturne olive]

I want you to test something real quick, wait a moment

[olive sable]

ive decided, S25+ but only once the new phones come out so the S25+ will be cheaper

[rough bloom]

sending music over Discord VC is already quite something
honestly no reason to do so, it's basically always better to have another player outside of Discord instead

[amber fractal]

Mobile with wired

[rough bloom]

gets lots of people in the vc though

[true hemlock]

second hand flagship is usually really damn cheap

[olive sable]

the problem is that for a phone i dont really want to go refurbished

[true hemlock]

fair, the battery would be sometimes a gamble

unless if you get it changed

(can you even change the battery lmao)

[olive sable]

pc's, monitors, consoles, ... all that im fine with secondhand. but a phone..god knows what has happened with that phone

[olive sable]

i think on smasnugs it should be possible

[true hemlock]

i hope

[olive sable]

apple has it locked, i think samsung doesnt

[true hemlock]

because im debating whether to get a new redmi if i need to change phone or just get second hand prev gen flagship which may cost more

and i don't really have any justification for flagship phones

[olive sable]

my a52 is 4 years old now and its starting to shit itslef over minor things

like it just randomly freezes up and such

[true hemlock]

huh try to factory reset it

[olive sable]

im planning to go to a flagship tier phone since i have the moeny now

[olive sable]

that probably fixes some of it, but its still just getting old

i got it from like july 2021 or something

if this lasts me another year then thats cool, but i will be putting some money aside already to replace it

and besides that im also jsut greedy and want a new phone

i suddendly remembered i took apart my old a40 and never put it back together

[true hemlock]

im greedy and want a 10th PC now

[hollow spruce]

I don't pc because my pc suck

[true hemlock]

what's even the specs

[hollow spruce]

i3

[hollow spruce]

Hhd

[true hemlock]

what generation?

i3 doesn't tell anything

[hollow spruce]

2100

[midnight sigil]

I thought this was genchat

[hollow spruce]

Intel® Core™ i3-2100 Processor https://share.google/ShhK8MgnAC29NDOp4

4 gb ram

That why

🙂

[true hemlock]

wait till you heard about my single core pentium with 2gb ddr2

[hollow spruce]

Yep

[hollow spruce]

In rack

I saw platinum processor

[true hemlock]

oh wait

i think my 13900 es should be immune to instability issues

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm

What will u do ?

[hollow spruce]

Update ure motherboard

[real sierra]

[hollow spruce]

More getting.....

[real sierra]

at this point should i just line these fields up in the struct and then memcmp it

[hollow spruce]

Interest

[hollow spruce]

Server update ?

[hollow spruce]

Or local ?

[hollow spruce]

Invalid board logic seems correct

[real sierra]

it works i hope

[obsidian mantle]

what the hell
i never heard of this "en passant" why is that a rule

[real sierra]

i have multiple comments in this codebase that just say "i hate en passant"

[obsidian mantle]

also which boards are you comparing and why

[real sierra]

any chess boards

[hollow spruce]

In chess, en passant is a special capture by a pawn that can only occur immediately after an opponent's pawn moves two squares forward from its starting position, landing directly beside your pawn. You can then capture the opponent's pawn by moving your own pawn to the square the opponent's pawn would have occupied had it only moved one square. This rule prevents pawns from bypassing other pawns without the risk of capture, and it must be done on your very next turn, or the opportunity is lost

[real sierra]

and ive been avoiding writing this function because it's crazy expensive

but i have no choice now

because of this stupid rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threefold_repetition

[hollow spruce]

Are u dumb
Or what
U need function

[real sierra]

i am dumb but that's not the point

[obsidian mantle]

yeah dump positions into array and compare sounds nice

[real sierra]

well the array is already stored luckily

er well

the board history is just a linked list of boards

[hollow spruce]

What

[real sierra]

so

but i didnt have a nice way to compare the boards

so i spent like 9 years adding zobrist hashing

and then wrote equals functions

[hollow spruce]

U have been working for 6 days

[real sierra]

https://www.chessprogramming.org/Zobrist_Hashing#Initialization

zobrist hashing sucks

[obsidian mantle]

hashing is slow
raw compare is faster

[real sierra]

"you can update it per move!" SUCKS

[hollow spruce]

What is zobrist

[obsidian mantle]

hashing is done if you need to transfer result somewhere else i think

basicaly archivation?

[real sierra]

hashing does make a lot of sense here sadly

since i have to check for threefold repetition every turn

i need those compares to be snappy

[hollow spruce]

We can do if player touch

[real sierra]

tho actually i wonder if its worth

now ur making me doubt everything

ah no

i know what the problem is

[obsidian mantle]

cant you just dump all board into raw data array and use memory instead of computing

[real sierra]

without a hash of some kind, how do i tell if a move has occurred 3 times

[obsidian mantle]

you remember last 3 boards

[hollow spruce]

What time in ure country?

[real sierra]

nono

its not 3 times consecutively.

it's 3 times ever.

[real sierra]

4:44am

[obsidian mantle]

remember all boards

[real sierra]

i do

but you still cant just compare every board to every other pair of boards

[obsidian mantle]

why not

[real sierra]

time complexity O(n^3)

[obsidian mantle]

but calculating hash should be slower isnt it

huh

[real sierra]

no

with a hash i just initialize an array with each unique hash i see and associate each to the board i saw it with

then i only need to traverse the history once

each time i check a board, i see if its hash is in the array, and if so i go to the associated board and check if equal

[obsidian mantle]

yeah right if you going to reuse the hash many times it should be faster
my bad

[real sierra]

actually

maybe thats still O(n^3)

no wait its not

i associate a count with each too

when i find an equal board, i just increment count

this is O(n^2) tops

surely worth

[hollow spruce]

Utc -4 hmmm

[real sierra]

you know

this still seems really fast, despite so many hashes

it no longer ends up drawing to threefold repetition

because as usual, my bot avoids surrender like you wouldn't believe

[hollow spruce]

U should test and fix

[hollow spruce]

Best suggestion: use ui debugging

And Highlight code where is happening

[real sierra]

i think it's working though

i dont see any bugs

not yet at least

[hollow spruce]

U should save before change

Bye i will back in some times

[real sierra]

holy

turbo optimization discovered

every pointer is 2 tokens

[nocturne olive]

What is this silliness?

[amber fractal]

I'd use this

[real sierra]

1205 tokens

almost there

[maiden geyser]

can i join covenant

[sage crag]

hm?

[real sierra]

#define PMoveTree MoveTree *

$$$

jackpot

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

legit

that gave me another 50 tokens

[sage crag]

have you tried fusing math ops

[real sierra]

fusing?

[sage crag]

#define FMA(a, b, c) a * b + c

[real sierra]

usually not worth

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

the commas in the macro calls are individual tokens i think

[sage crag]

you dont need to include them

they are optional

[real sierra]

what

what do you mean optional

C how could you do this

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

its still one per variable tho

and then one for each bracket i assume

and one for the macro name

so that macro above is not worth it even without commas

[sage crag]

ye well either way

[real sierra]

it good idea

[sage crag]

use comma tech i guess

[real sierra]

im currently inlining functions

[sage crag]

do you know about __VA_ARGS__?

[real sierra]

i dont

why

wait

can i just make every function take varargs

and pass whatever

[sage crag]

uh no, not in scope

for macros

[sage crag]

to do that just add , ... ti rhe

to the end of the args

the problem is it requires using stdarg

[maiden geyser]

https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/microsoft-mandates-return-to-office-claims-teams-and-all-remote-work-solutions-are-inferior

[sage crag]

phr

[umbral thorn]

me add

[nocturne olive]

[real sierra]

comma not optional in macro args i dont think

C get angy when i try remove

[umbral thorn]

shiboo

[real sierra]

elvyn!

[sage crag]

strange, worked for me

ill reproduce it when im home

[real sierra]

this is getting hard to shrink

am i gonna have to remove features

[sage crag]

no

have you used inline if?

[real sierra]

define inline if

[sage crag]

if (a)
    b;
c;

you can do this in c ye

[real sierra]

yeah

i done this

[sage crag]

replaced if with ternary perhaps

[real sierra]

everywhere practical

looks gross

i even have nested ternary

[sage crag]

phrr

[real sierra]

features to the chopping block

i guess i can remove the evaluation helper if i have to

[sage crag]

dont see a need to

just compress better

[real sierra]

bot not below 1024 yet

and running out of ways

remove all the free statements

[sage crag]

true

[real sierra]

not true

program run out of memory

crash

lose

[sage crag]

have you also tried replacing all std functions with __builtin_ versions

can save some imports

[real sierra]

is that portable

[sage crag]

yes per compiler

gcc and clang are roughly at parity

[real sierra]

i might be able to shave off stdlib if i do that

actaully why do i have stdio

oh

[sage crag]

things like __builtin_malloc, __builtin_free

[real sierra]

debug prints

stdio

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how a language like Kotlin will compare

[sage crag]

you can replace all functions with multiline macros

actually single line macros since \ is a token

[nocturne olive]

It's got some cool token reductions, but it also doesn't have macros

[real sierra]

wait

there's a builtin rand too

[sage crag]

sort of

[real sierra]

how many builtins are there

[sage crag]

just about everything tbh

[real sierra]

oh

there isnt builtin rand

[sage crag]

notably memcpy, memmove, memcmp

[real sierra]

vscode hallucinating

[sage crag]

also strcmp

[real sierra]

yeah i found memset already

[sage crag]

strlen

[real sierra]

[amber fractal]

Decided to check the amount of tokens my NN framework currently contains. Seems like I am at 255 tokens at the moment. I'd need to reimplment what I need out of numpy tho.

[nocturne olive]

I hope the Gradle build script doesn't count since that isn't actually part of the output jar file

[real sierra]

it was all pointless

rand() is in stdlib

eliminated string.h but thats it

[nocturne olive]

So if you're planning to do a competition with this will there be JVM bindings for it?

[real sierra]

the answer is, that depends on you

[amber fractal]

There are still a lot of comments and newlines, not optimized enough for the comp smh

[real sierra]

im writing the api in C with the hopes that this is something most languages support binding to

but i only have plans to personally write python bindings to the chess api as an example

that being said

if someone is kind enough to write bindings for a language

and share it publicly

ill happily make it official (and thus not count toward the token limit)

[nocturne olive]

Well, someone make Java or Kotlin bindings then, I have no clue how

[real sierra]

with java its the JNI you want

[nocturne olive]

I have not the slightest idea how to utilize JNI

[real sierra]

nor i

i think its probably easy once you do it once

likely just copy paste what you wrote for function 1

[sage crag]

have you tried forward declaring the functions

instead of including

[real sierra]

wait like

[sage crag]

you can T rand(...); at the top of the file

[real sierra]

T

[olive sable]

i didnt know that

[real sierra]

how would forward declaring work

[sage crag]

generic type, replace it

[real sierra]

do i just hope that another library im including gets the definition?

[sage crag]

just compile with libc should work

[nocturne olive]

My guess is something like external fun externalName(params: ParamTypes): ReturnType

[sage crag]

it just uses linker symbols

[real sierra]

i mean

i dont think that's actually fewer tokens than #include <stdlib.h>

[real sierra]

( Java Native Interface, Wikipedia )

[nocturne olive]

My syntax was for Kotlin

[real sierra]

the syntax is gross

oh

[nocturne olive]

I kinda assume you don't JNIEXPORT everything on the C side though since that seems to be something JNI requires

[rough bloom]

JNI is old and practically requires a native library as a bridge

for new bindings that don't have to support old JDKs you can use Project Panama / JEP 424 instead

[real sierra]

????????????????

[rough bloom]

or JNA but that kinda sucks

[real sierra]

i mean

JNA might be convenient if it sits on top of libffi

might reduce some of the repeated work if im already implementing it for python

[rough bloom]

it does

[nocturne olive]

So is JNA the one where you can do external fun?

[rough bloom]

but AFAIK the new built-in FFI is just better

no need to load an extra library and have all function calls go through that

[real sierra]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Native_Interface#Foreign_Function_and_Memory_API

it looks disgusting

[rough bloom]

Java looks disgusting

[real sierra]

[nocturne olive]

I also use JDK21 and not JDK22

[umbral thorn]

java is disgusting

[nocturne olive]

True regular Java code is kinda dumb

Kotlin better

[rough bloom]

update then

[real sierra]

well you're free to make kotlin bindings too

[nocturne olive]

JDK22 is not on APT

[real sierra]

basically the requirements for you to use a language in this tournament are

• the token counter supports it
• i can create the build toolchain for this language and successfully compile submissions in it
• you feel like writing an api bridge for it
• it isnt somehow wildly unfair to use

beyond that i have no qualms

[nocturne olive]

Token counter, who knows
Build system is easy, it's just Gradle
API bridge, I don't know
I see no reason Kotlin would be unfair to use

[real sierra]

token counter supports these

[nocturne olive]

What a stupid token counter

[real sierra]

no kotlin

you can call it a stupid token counter but its also somehow one of the only token counters

[nocturne olive]

Weird

[real sierra]

agreed

[nocturne olive]

Guess I won't be making a chess bot then

[real sierra]

it is what it is

[real sierra]

hold on a second

you might just be in luck

[nocturne olive]

?

[real sierra]

so

this token counter is not only the only token counter in existence

but was last updated 4 years ago

luckily, it gets almost all of its functionality from an underlying parser library that has crazy support

and the kotlin arm of that seems to have developed rather nicely

[rigid snow]

chess bots in svelte, json and latex

[nocturne olive]

So? Fork it and update the parser?

[real sierra]

it might be as simple as uncommenting a line and changing the version number

but im trying it myself before i sell you any false promises

[nocturne olive]

How very silly

https://github.com/Superbox2147/Neuro-radio
If you need some Kotlin code to test on

-# Not the same radio the pixelers are listening to, this is my improved version that requires a bot account

-# Completely useless for the pixelers because of needing a bot account

[sage crag]

quack radio 2

[nocturne olive]

Not really, it's kinda my own thing

And no it's not able to be used due to Neurocord mods not taking external bots

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

? I don't think you'd be able to rewrite it for user API

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[hollow spruce]

Electricity is sucked

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[hollow spruce]

COMPUTER CRASHING TOO MUCH AND UNITS IS WASTING SOO MUCH EVEN IT ADD MY BILL

Bro my yt-dlp install whole youtube shorts
[download] Downloading item 13 of 1743

[sage crag]

[amber fractal]

I have to ask, why shorts

[hollow spruce]

I Just wanted songs not whole library

37 of 1743

F crit+z is not working

[real sierra]

ive been trying to just

download this damn package

for liek an hour

holy frick why is git ssh so annoying

just tell me why its not working

[sage crag]

idk works for me

[hollow spruce]

Whole os is crashed

[sage crag]

ssh more convenient than git username and password

[real sierra]

ssh not more convenient

followed steps still not working

👎 0/10

[sage crag]

lemme guess

windows

[real sierra]

no

linux

[sage crag]

how messing up

[real sierra]

didnt

[sage crag]

did

[real sierra]

didnt

[sage crag]

did

[faint sandal]

and it's more secure than leaving your token in the credential store

[real sierra]

security at the cost of being able to do nothing is bad security

nobody is stealing anything from me if even i cant access my stuff

[faint sandal]

what's the problem

[real sierra]

git doesnt like my ssh public key

[flint dome]

refresh the key then

[faint sandal]

ssh <username>@<your_git_host> -v

[real sierra]

i made it like 10 minutes ago

wdym refresh it

[amber fractal]

Well I have succeeded in adding binary solace to the music bot and played. I can now rest

[nocturne olive]

Elvyn helped

[amber fractal]

Yeah I am grateful to her

[sage crag]

ye instead my token is on my hard drive

[faint sandal]

do y'all run your ssh key naked with no passphrases

wtf

[sage crag]

(external)

[sage crag]

[flint dome]

wdym there are passphrases

[faint sandal]

what is wrong with u

[sage crag]

ye

[amber fractal]

Not my github one, that one has a passphrase, the others are unused so

[faint sandal]

it prompts for a passphrase by default even

[sage crag]

get option to add passwd when you make it

[flint dome]

ask what isn't

[faint sandal]

ssh-keygen has been asking for passphrase upon key generation since before I enrolled in uni

and that's a long ass time ago

[hollow spruce]

Ssh ?

[flint dome]

wait the password it asks then? use password then dammit not passphrase

[hollow spruce]

Hmm i will set later

[flint dome]

I don't understand passphrase ok

[faint sandal]

it is canonically called a passphrase.... it even says so when it prompts...

[flint dome]

as if I can remember the lore of a software man

[hollow spruce]

Very slow network...........

[flint dome]

i just call it password

[faint sandal]

you see it whenever you need to unlock the key

[flint dome]

well I'm stupid and don't remember

All I know it asks me for something when I make it and when I unlock it I gotta enter that

[real sierra]

i typed the ssh key wrong into github

it works now

still failed to fetch package new error

[olive sable]

my sister has chemistry 1 now, and they have an exercise where they ask what 1 spehre in the particle model picture means. and im thinking to myself "isnt it always supposed to be an atom".

apparently not cuz their """particle model""" has sugar water as blue spheres for water and red spheres for sugar

representing a molecule with a sphere is wild to me

[hollow spruce]

Not bad

[hollow spruce]

U guys are deserve it

[nocturne olive]

And what is this supposed to be?

[hollow spruce]

🙂

[nocturne olive]

I hope it's not AI generated music

[real sierra]

omg it compiled

finally

[hollow spruce]

It is not

[nocturne olive]

Then what is it?

[hollow spruce]

I im training ai this one

1 kbps to 32 kbps

[nocturne olive]

What? You're trying to audio upscale?

[hollow spruce]

Kind a that

[nocturne olive]

Weird

How do you recover information that just is not there?

[real sierra]

@nocturne olive can you give me some kotlin

just a small code snippet

[nocturne olive]

^

[real sierra]

and also what the file extension is

[nocturne olive]

.kt

[real sierra]

ah ty

[hollow spruce]

I dik how much improve it was

[obsidian mantle]

is it made from this?

[nocturne olive]

If you want to try to upscale audio, you'll need a lot of audio, which you then need to reduce to a lower bitrate, then you need test audio which you don't train the model on, but only use to see if it's generalized

[obsidian mantle]

noway

[amber fractal]

Basically the same as image AI in terms of training.

[hollow spruce]

SERVER RACK COMPLETE ✅

Now setup time

I will back soon

[obsidian mantle]

hey but
if the bot is going to calculate next steps
it will have to check legal moves of those steps anyway

or does it not fit in 1024

and these bots are all going to be 1 step only

[real sierra]

?

i dont understand the question

[obsidian mantle]

you wanted to make a function that provides a list of legal moves

on server

[real sierra]

ah

yeah it does not fit in 1024 tokens

put it this way

my bot is sitting around 180 lines

and its over the token limit

the get_legal_moves function from the api is 400 lines long

making people implement boilerplate like that isnt really the goal anyway

[hollow spruce]

Im back

We setup wires

[real sierra]

@nocturne olive sadly i cant get it working with kotlin

[nocturne olive]

How weird

[real sierra]

4 years of accumulated dependency hell

despite about 3 hours of effort now

i cannot get these resolved

[nocturne olive]

Unfrotunate I guess

[real sierra]

[nocturne olive]

Guess that means I can't Chess bot

[real sierra]

it's 10am I've been wake way too long

I'm going to bed

[dull egret]

https://youtu.be/DUZAK2CmtyI?

[stray dragon]

hi shiro

[real sierra]

T I am having a terrible night

[sage crag]

1m views 1 comment

botted content farm

[real sierra]

every task today has just been head splitting

[stray dragon]

have you tried sleeping

[real sierra]

no not yet

[stray dragon]

skill issue

[stray dragon]

i ain't watching that

[dull egret]

Well, bot or not, it is worth considering whether it is still valid.

I'm 21 mins in, might as well watch the rest

[stray dragon]

yum slop

[sage crag]

i will not watch further than 10s

slop video

[rigid snow]

i ain't watching that
is it about aligning latent spaces

if so not really a new thing

[stray dragon]

i don't get how some people see ai generated clickbait thumbnail trying to fearmonger about ai and go "yes i should watch this"

[dull egret]

(Finished watching)

Bc nothing in the video contained fear mongering.

It was a shitty thumbnail, and it probably could've been summarised in 30% as long a video, but the information in it was still useful.

And it gave me something else to look up, after I finished

[rigid snow]

[dull egret]

I didn't know what I was hoping to get out of it, but your responses gave me a thing I can use, and so the whole process was of value

Thanks

[honest drum]

Hey guys mind if I ask some advice?

[olive sable]

go ahead

[honest drum]

Im starting to learn java in College is there anything you wish you woudve know or advice you can give me?

[olive sable]

i havent used java so i cant, but other people here could

[honest drum]

Do you use python?

[olive sable]

sometimes

[honest drum]

Whats your main one then?

[olive sable]

C++

[honest drum]

Im gonna have to learn that anyways

[obsidian mantle]

i dont get it, how does UCI tell engine which moved was made by the opponent of the engine

does it send entire chessboard in "position" command every time?

do i not see something

[opaque sigil]

Apparently yes

[obsidian mantle]

oh so im not supposed to remember the board

they just give it to me every time?

[opaque sigil]

i just know that shiro was really annoyed that it's apparently keeping track of the entire history

[obsidian mantle]

some website gives examples on position command but

i guess P is pawn

and p is.. small pawn? wtf is this

is it some standard chess language or what

oh it actually is

fenstring huh

[rigid snow]

no programming

canvas

[obsidian mantle]

sorry im not an artist

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[hollow spruce]

We want artist to t̶r̶a̶i̶n
Judge ure art

All arts are art

We can't judge it

[obsidian mantle]

what do you think

[tawny wren]

I don't know whether I should completely rewrite one of the biggest functions, work on the main issues I'm having, or eliminate a lot of the weird bugs that I encountered.

[pearl lake]

first time using tampermonkey and is for doing this on the canvas

[midnight sigil]

#artist-alley leak?

[midnight sigil]

black and white, supposedly

[obsidian mantle]

yeah found the documents

[pearl lake]

thankfully, i had a good teacher, so i didn’t have any problems. I think as long as you focus on properly learning OOP, you’ll be fine

The biggest difficulty i had was with interfaces
my lil brain just couldn’t understand

[midnight sigil]

why is there only one comment with one million views

am I tripping

[pearl lake]

huh

you're right

how?

[desert wave]

you can set youtube to hold all comments for manual approval

[real sierra]

have an LLM review all comments

[rigid snow]

yeah i remember the gimmick "ONLY <insert large creator> CAN COMMENT ON THIS VIDEO" videos

and the only comment is from them

[midnight sigil]

clickbait, AI-made content, and censorships

[real sierra]

ok

I think today I need to

reorient myself

no more weird tangents, the goal is in sight

[pearl lake]

damn didn't know that

[real sierra]

I'm sorry lol I'm at the
point of needing a self pep talk

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/rotate-spin-p5x-riko-gif-5633277716179877299

[real sierra]

I remember when that sticker was made

I think it was for the discord hitting 10k members

back then everyone would lose their minds over a new sticker

especially one that wasn't just

[gaunt vale]

mali gpus don't support gl_ClipDistance
android is a truly frightening operating system

[oak cypress]

i am running the script to evaluate how much of the cdawg canva is each factions, small problem 1 request is half a second minimum, (at least one request by pixel)
anyone know how to optimize this? (138 hours to get the 1 000 000)
can i post code?

[tawny wren]

I hate everything about this.

[obsidian mantle]

shiro did you just sleep 3 hours

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

[south needle]

just use rust

at least i dont get random segfaults

[real sierra]

i dont either

all segfaults have a cause

and none of those causes are my library

i also dont know rust and it would take way longer to learn it on top of writing all this

[opaque sigil]

Segfaults are the best case

btw I tried getting tcount working with kotlin earlier but it seems like the grammar is just fundamentally broken

Or there's an ABI mismatch, pick your poison

[real sierra]

yeah its horrifyingly cursed

i tried for 3 hours

and gave up

this is the api header

open to feature requests if there's any other convenience functions that would be good or other concerns

[opaque sigil]

Wait so does a bitboard contain the entire board's state

[opaque sigil]

Also I'd say turn some of those constants at the top into enums

[real sierra]

wait

C has enums?

[opaque sigil]

Wouldn't the game result always either be checkmate or stalemate

Well yeah

[real sierra]

if the game has actually ended, sure

on the first turn it's neither checkmate or stalemate

ill update the docs to explain that better

i also spotted a typo

[opaque sigil]

Icy, fair enough if it's meant to be for each turn not just the end

[tender river]

typedef enum {
  A,
  B,
  C = 5,
} X;

roughly equivalent to

#define A 0
#define B 1
#define C 5
typedef int X; // int width undefined by the standard

[tawny wren]

Ok honestly, C++ is a nightmare.

[opaque sigil]

It is what it is

[real sierra]

true!

C better

should've called it C--

[opaque sigil]

Also idk if anyone is planning on writing a chess bot in c++ but conditionally wrapping it in an extern c certainly wouldn't hurt for the header

[real sierra]

will switch to enum

[real sierra]

teach how?

[obsidian mantle]

have to go shower because work tomorrow why cant i just make chess

[opaque sigil]

I'm on my phone this would be annoying

#ifdef __cplusplus
extern "C" {
#endif

...

#ifdef __cplusplus
}
#endif

There

[tender river]

at header start/end

makes sure symbol names are c compatible

[real sierra]

at the very start/end?

[tender river]

wherever you want

[real sierra]

lol yeah i just dont wanna do this wrong

[tender river]

only the contents will be extern c

[real sierra]

im totally glueless here

does it go before the other #includes?

[tender river]

defines/structs/enums dont have to be inside

just make sure functions are in there

no dont wrap includes in it

[tawny wren]

Imagine.

[tender river]

the windows c++ experience

[tawny wren]

It's also using DXPlay. Which was discontinued a long time ago.

[tender river]

[real sierra]

does the .c file need this too

[tawny wren]

So much of me wants to ignore the big function that is required for this game to function, but is gonna be an absolute pain in the ass to reverse engineer.

[tender river]

nop

[tender river]

postpone it

[tawny wren]

I fucking hate this.

[real sierra]

[-15]

[obsidian mantle]

[real sierra]

ok programmers i have a question about ethics

i would like another set of eyes to review the actual C code for the chess api

[obsidian mantle]

maybe they are using full [int_size] array

[tender river]

-15 isnt this just std::string or std::vector

[tawny wren]

This doesn’t use any of that.

[rough bloom]

asking someone else to review C code is unethical

[real sierra]

i thought so

unfortunate

[obsidian mantle]

i would but i will steal it

[real sierra]

i mean

it'll be public for use

people have to be able to test their bots, after all

[obsidian mantle]

oh its server api

[tender river]

you can trust me with your code shiro

[real sierra]

yeah

i dont wanna release it too publicly

lest someone start developing their bot with it and then its not compatible with changes i make or something

[tawny wren]

Ok I don’t know why m_somethingJoystick has a type of void.

[obsidian mantle]

im trying to make a bot in c++ rn

[real sierra]

i just need one person who already doesnt have much to lose who i can get to review this

[real sierra]

no way

thats awesome

[obsidian mantle]

but i will not have much time on weekdays

[real sierra]

thats ok

the tournament hasnt even started yet

and im planning to have submissions open for a month when it does

not meant to be too much of a time crunch

[tawny wren]

Spicy.

[obsidian mantle]

does while stop on 0 or -1

[minor crag]

I hate nvidia

[tawny wren]

No fucking idea.

[obsidian mantle]

should be 0

[obsidian mantle]

i read it like "i have nvidia" and though wtf is this random statement

[minor crag]

I JUST UPDATED MY GPU DRIVERS AND NOTHING WORKS

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

gpu driver switched to public transit

price of electricity too high nowadays to be driving a gpu everywhere

[real sierra]

in c++?

in C, false == 0 and anything else is true

[tawny wren]

Oh yeah, here's another thing about C++.

[real sierra]

what the hell is tat

baldis basics ass gui

it has a certain charm to it actually

but its not of this decade

[tawny wren]

In case your wondering, the game is from 2001.

[minor crag]

I FIXED IT

[tawny wren]

A good amount of the underlying code is from 1997 though.

[real sierra]

reminded me of "plumo on the farm", a game from my childhood

[minor crag]

I don't even know what I did

[real sierra]

i got 1 minute into a youtube video of it and im raging because this person screwed up the minigame cmon

[tawny wren]

https://blupi.org

It's a bit of an odd series of games.

Pretty neat history though.

I love making a GUI by writing code by hand.

[real sierra]

rebuilding python after i built it before installing zlib

turns out that despite being "optional" to build python, it's a required dependency for pip

[stark needle]

[real sierra]

no...

the power went out for a moment

I was in the middle of building python and my VM was running

is it gg

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

shouldn't be
the power of modern filesystems will save it

[real sierra]

I was running the tests for the build anyway

maybe it's fine

[hard raptor]

Do we like cursed things here?

[real sierra]

yes

[hard raptor]

https://github.com/xAEmiloetjex/scss_runtime/blob/main/example%2Fweb_server.scss

[real sierra]

maybe "like" is the wrong word?

we're all used to it

[rough bloom]

sass >> c++

[hard raptor]

Im gonna write a whole runtime for it

[real sierra]

c++ so bad

[hard raptor]

Sass transpiler doesn't give any errors, so i won't have to fork sass and make my own version of it

Probably gonna write the runtime in C++ as it seems the easiest... well.. nodejs is another option but js

Yeah i might also consider go

But i am yet too unfamiliar with the language to try this project with go

[rigid snow]

what the hell

let scss die please

[hard raptor]

Why? We supposed to use vanilla css?

[rigid snow]

if you want to preprocess use postcss

[hard raptor]

Nahhh

[rigid snow]

downside is you can't really have a singular runtime

because extensions

[tender river]

whats postcss

[hard raptor]

But luckily my project isn't supposed to preprocess anything

[rigid snow]

are you sure you want to know

it is webdev after all

[hard raptor]

Postcss is an absolute nightmare to work with imo.. scss is just comfy

[rigid snow]

i like how i only have what i want

scss feels like bloat

[hard raptor]

Why? I use almost everything it has

[rigid snow]

you shouldn't

[hard raptor]

Why?

[rigid snow]

most of what it was useful for is now in css

[hard raptor]

Still missing the mixins and the nesting tho

[nocturne olive]

I may or may not be a bit low on memory

[hard raptor]

And the functions

[tender river]

fair point

[frail mortar]

this is fun

[rigid snow]

the only thing i agree with is nesting
mixins are easily replaced by just having a separate selector (e.g. class="header this-would-have-been-a-mixin")
functions promote horrible practice like calculating layout stuff at compile time

[real sierra]

i built python without ssl

i have to build it again

i dont even know why it didnt work tho

i have the latest ver of openssl

[rigid snow]

there has never. ever. been a moment where i've been like "aw i wish i had scss functions" everything is easily solvable with existing css features

that's why i said i like postcss because i just configure nesting and we're done

but if we're being fr just use tailwind it's so much nicer

than all of this bs

[hard raptor]

I use the functions more to abstract the messy parts

[opaque sigil]

why are you even building python shiro

[rigid snow]

functions also replaceable with separate selectors btw

[hard raptor]

Yeah

[rigid snow]

define variables on the adjacent selector, use them in the other one

[minor crag]

Nothing is working

Everything Hates me

[hard raptor]

But then you have to deal with CSS's unreadable ness again

But i may also be using CSS in unconventional ways

[hard raptor]

Like here

[rigid snow]

oh i think i've seen that

[real sierra]

i have to rebuild all of openssl before i can rebuild python

python why

[opaque sigil]

Does python have an option to use boringssl I don't remember

[real sierra]

unsure

[hard raptor]

For that project SCSS is simply the superior language above CSS.. cuz if you want that complexity with vanilla CSS it gets really messy

[real sierra]

please python

work

also bless this person https://gist.github.com/eykamp/93874e8f3adc97a5dea243a4ad8c5f38

build time

[silver zephyr]

please python

break

Prayge

[tawny wren]

I fucking hate this code.

It's like either you get lucky and get code like this that's easy to translate, or you have absolute nightmares that look seemingly simple.

[silver zephyr]

burn it

[tawny wren]

How about this beauty?

[silver zephyr]

🤮

[tawny wren]

I know I need to do this at one point, but I just don't want to.

[silver zephyr]

i do not blame you

[real sierra]

built successfully

no more builds hopefully

now to figure out cffi

[silver zephyr]

no, all the builds

[tawny wren]

I just don't know what I want to fix...

[silver zephyr]

i dont think that code can be fixed

its too far gone

[tawny wren]

Reverse engineering is the most torturous form of programming.

[tender river]

no

reverse engineering has a clear goal and well defined methods of achieving it

torture is when you dont know what you want or do but dont know how to achieve it

or make it but its a mess that doesnt work

[tawny wren]

If you're so smart, then tell me what that function above does.

[tender river]

reserve1 is not actually an array but a struct

struct of arrays of different types specifically

m_0008 is obviously amount of applicable joysticks or devices or whatever

[tawny wren]

If you wanna figure it out, go wild. It's pretty low on my priority right now.

[tawny wren]

Should I torture myself by rewriting a 4,000 line function, or fix the other shit first?

[tender river]

4000 line function

is it physics

physics code is the most convoluted game code i've ever dealt with

[real sierra]

?

vscode...?

what'cha doin lil guy?

[tawny wren]

It's a 2D platforming game. So not really.

Why the fuck is there a 64 bit integer?

[stark needle]

1.1tb ram vscode

[opaque sigil]

pointer arithmetic?

[tender river]

operations on points of 32-bit integers are often optimized as operations on 64-bit integers

also you shouldnt hide type casts

*& is nonsensical without them

[opaque sigil]

actually yeah this isn't pointer arithmetic mb, this is just normal math

you're probably right then

[tender river]

i am

[tawny wren]

There is absolutely no reason this game should be using 32 bit integers, let alone 64 bit integers.

[tender river]

[tawny wren]

All this uses is either 8 bit int or 8 bit UINT.

[tender river]

all i can tell you is it subtracts 2 from y pos

at most it could be z pos

[tawny wren]

It's 2D. There is no Z coordinate.

I've been working for half an hour, and this is all I managed to get out of that.

This is all super jank.

[feral ledge]

hi. anyone know why my system is cloning and making chromium mirrors, and the entirety of electron30? it's taking forever 😭
I think it's trying to make vscodium-bin?

 -> Found chromium-patches-124.tar.bz2
  -> Found drop-flag-unsupported-by-clang17.patch
  -> Found compiler-rt-adjust-paths.patch
  -> Found clang-19.patch
  -> Found default_app-icon.patch
  -> Found electron-launcher.sh
  -> Found electron.desktop
  -> Found jinja-python-3.10.patch
  -> Found use-system-libraries-in-node.patch
  -> Found makepkg-source-roller.py
  -> Cloning chromium-mirror git repo...
Cloning into bare repository '/home/emanresu/.cache/paru/clone/electron30/chromium-mirror'...
remote: Enumerating objects: 26408131, done.
remote: Counting objects: 100% (3919/3919), done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (1439/1439), done.
remote: Total 26408131 (delta 2632), reused 2508 (delta 2450), pack-reused 26404212 (from 4)
Receiving objects: 100% (26408131/26408131), 55.15 GiB | 28.51 MiB/s, done.
Resolving deltas: 100% (20656261/20656261), done.
Checking objects: 100% (67108864/67108864), done.
  -> Cloning chromium-mirror_third_party_nan git repo...

[tender river]

electron30 is deprecated

maybe it got removed from repos?

just delete it

nothing bad will happen trust

[real sierra]

i almost have cffi working

but something is happening that i dont understand

[feral ledge]

there is no war in Ba Sing Se electron30 package even installed, just electron27, electron34, and electro37. why is it trying to build version 30