programming

[real sierra]

ok which languages then

[tender river]

english

[real sierra]

sticking with my function pointers

not rewriting the user-facing end with complicated looking tags for no reason

[tender river]

ye not my problem me not use api

[real sierra]

i do see your point tho

as i think about it more

[tender river]

shiro c

[real sierra]

you would have to get the entire struct intact into the other language

[tender river]

[real sierra]

and then extract the func pointers

but if i dont i have to give these functions super long names so they dont accidentally shadow library function names

[tender river]

prefix with chess_

[real sierra]

code readability

[tender river]

no

c

[real sierra]

c_

[tender river]

shiro this is not java

[real sierra]

[tender river]

chess_get_board()
chess_get_legal_moves(board, &len_moves)

readability fine

[real sierra]

fine u have a point

[radiant anvil]

Hi such a question, what are the best values to set for AI in top p and temperature

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[opaque sigil]

Yes

[real sierra]

ok done no more function pointers

this has not fixed my problem at all

but i hope the eventual end user likes it

wait

it actually did fix the problem?

it gets further now?

0 legal moves

perfect

ah

user error

im using my own functions wrong

[tender river]

read the docs

[real sierra]

i fixed the bug and now my vm isnt responding

power buttoned

[opaque sigil]

oom maybe?

[real sierra]

maybe

that would be bad

any idea how one stops that from happening?

[opaque sigil]

Run the program through valgrind and see if it complains

[real sierra]

its ok i fixed some more of it

now im on a different bug

[trim valve]

alternatively you could probably use cgroups or something to limit the max memory usage of the program

[real sierra]

probably a good idea for during the tournamnet

[opaque sigil]

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[real sierra]

oh wow

a lot more of it works after this fix

i forgot to ignore the / characters in the fen string loader

[hollow spruce]

Hmm bugs 🙁

Soon I will write in asm language instead of cpp for
More cpu control

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

welp

i gotta be real

this doesnt fill me with confidence

[opaque sigil]

Hm?

[real sierra]

the legal moves from the starting chess board are:

b1a5 (32 times)

O-O (2 times)

[opaque sigil]

O_O

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

castle kingside

[opaque sigil]

[real sierra]

i

dont know how these moves got here

and werent caught at any other stage

they had to endure so many filters to make it to the final moves list

like

there isnt a single correct move in that list

there is just many, many copies of the wrong moves

[rigid snow]

[amber fractal]

Unrelated to the botting allegations, take your votes. If I did this via a singular LAN world, what would I be bottlenecked in first.

1. RAM
2. CPU
3. GPU
   (4. Screen space for the screenshot)
   For anyone who doesn't know my system, linux, intel i1260 mobile cpu, 32gb ram, intergrated graphics, laptop)

[real sierra]

well a lot of the bad moves are gone now

but still dont have the good moves for some reason

ok i really gotta go to bed

good progress tho

it isnt segfaulting now

and is actually producing moves

albeit totally illegal ones

the directional attack boards indicate to me that there are way more pseudo moves that are being trimmed out by the legal move checker

so there's probably a logic issue somewhere in the latter

[tender river]

[real sierra]

its cool that this works tho

this is what i envisioned

[tender river]

what is chess_push

[tender river]

[real sierra]

[hollow spruce]

Chess api
?

[real sierra]

yes! the code you are seeing is a test bot that uses the chess api

[hollow spruce]

Where do u implant it ?
Discord

[real sierra]

I don't want to share the API until it works

[amber fractal]

How much am I willing to say frick it and not bother to use use the uuid of these paritions just to get this started?

[hollow spruce]

Just give me info where do u use it ?

[amber fractal]

I haven't been able to use my main pc for 3 days now

[real sierra]

i run it in a Linux virtual machine

on the cpu

[hollow spruce]

Hmm good
Wait SEC i forgot my ai bot again

[nocturne olive]

I have fixed building for Windows while keeping Linux builds in my Linux CUDA enabled version of NeuroSynth's inference GUI

[hollow spruce]

Bye i will back soon

[real sierra]

Update and Shut Down

PC turns back on

whoever at windows coded this should be fired 7 times over

[amber fractal]

[real sierra]

also it is SO fast

bitboards are ridiculous

the operations are so atomic you can almost simd it

[amber fractal]

Laptop, plz boot this time I want to actually do dumb stuff with my computer instead of banging my head aganist the wall

[nocturne olive]

The fix was actually really simple, just conditionally target net6.0-windows on Windows

[amber fractal]

Frick

[nocturne olive]

Now all we need is someone with Windows and a GPU to confirm that DirectML rendering works correctly as well

(it needs a DirectX 12 GPU)

[olive sable]

The issue is some weird type of using half of the browsers refreshrate

[nocturne olive]

Silly, but also not quite if changing res changes FPS

[hollow spruce]

Too much bug fix again

It will take whole day 🙁

[trim valve]

CPU, assuming you decimate your graphics settings and run at a low fps

[hollow spruce]

Very slow network (1B/s)

[amber fractal]

Noted, now becomes if I can even put that to the test

[trim valve]

though also kinda render distance dependant because that uses a lot of memory

[amber fractal]

I think I might barely be able to get under 1gb at 8 render distance?

[trim valve]

if you're just wanting lots of automated players consider something like mineflayer/prismarinejs

[amber fractal]

I'm just doing it for the memes

[trim valve]

double check your java VM launch arguments

by default it will have a minimum allocation probably

[amber fractal]

I usually set min and max to the same

I've done 2gb runs before at least

[rigid snow]

i've run ~100 mod modpacks on 2gb

no gc stutters

[trim valve]

tbh it might be worth seeing if there's anything easy to mod out to save memory like textures

idk what uses most of the memory in MC though

[amber fractal]

My personal goal was to try and replicate the screenshot tho.

[trim valve]

ic

[hollow spruce]

Cursor got me again

[rigid snow]

you probably can even with 32gb

[amber fractal]

I've already done decent work on a lightweight client, the 2gb instance only died once I went over 24 render distance

[trim valve]

tbh they only need a render distance equal to whatever the servers max is

idr what 2b2ts is

[amber fractal]

Probs 8 chunk

[amber fractal]

That client can and will be slimed for this, as it has mods like distant horizons and other mods for high render distance

which was my original goal

[trim valve]

I'm always surprised by just how many 2b2t people make their clients render when doing lots of clients

[rigid snow]

how else are you supposed to see what's going on

[hollow spruce]

F i forgot again to install cpp

[trim valve]

[hollow spruce]

Not my ai again

[rigid snow]

someone elses

[amber fractal]

20 more GB of data to download

[hollow spruce]

I can't

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

vanor bnuuy

[uneven pulsar]

chaylabubu

[hollow spruce]

Ai generated or art
(Grep | "https://x.com/zxcsque/status/1966205812214571151"
)ᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠᅠ
Sque
@zxcsque

[hollow spruce]

This image is AI-generated art.

Some clear signs:

The shading and blending have a very smooth, almost airbrushed look without the natural hand-drawn texture you usually see in human-done digital art.

The anatomy and proportions (like the feet and hands) look slightly simplified or inconsistent.

The clothing folds and highlights look algorithmically smooth rather than painted with deliberate brush strokes.

The overall rendering style has that “AI polish” where details look clean but slightly unnatural.

So, while it mimics anime-style illustration very well, the telltale artifacts point to it being AI-generated

[rigid snow]

this is NOT ai

[hollow spruce]

Ans by chatgpt

[amber fractal]

Honestly I still think it'll take a bit

[hollow spruce]

In very short version
AI-generated — smooth shading, slight anatomy inconsistencies, and “polished” look give it away.

[nocturne olive]

Don't blame people for stuff if your proof is "An LLM said so"

[rigid snow]

artstyle = ai generated

[tight tinsel]

why are we just randomly putting people art and trying to see if its ai or not

thats so disrespectful

[uneven pulsar]

I'm mostly waiting for the time when people start accusing legit artists of ai art whole one posting ai get away, and it spirals into delicious controversy

[rigid snow]

btw training a lora on any artists style takes like 10 minutes on any gpu that's not a literal potato

[rigid snow]

ever been on twitter

that happens like every day

[rigid timber]

so what I'm reading is real artists never use smooth shading and are always 100% consistent with anatomy

[uneven pulsar]

i mean so was dissecting corpses in the renessaince and since but then we got anatomy and medical knowledge

[hollow spruce]

Im just test here not deframe anyone it and u guys also
Silent

[uneven pulsar]

ai generated english

the grammar is inconsistent

/jkjk

[amber fractal]

Alright, now that my setup is back from the dead, let me yoink my client from my otjer drive

It is time to open up a lot of minecraft

[hollow spruce]

I will ban my test here

[rigid snow]

here's my favorite one

[rigid snow]

i think you're fine

[rigid snow]

test this one

[amber fractal]

I'm all good, it is fun to poke at it

[rigid timber]

test whatever you want, but chatgpt won't be able to tell you whether an image is AI generated or not, it'll just hallucinate between yes/no

[rigid snow]

it can tell really obvious ones

[rigid snow]

immediately there are signs to me it's not

but yeah stupid

it is very much ai

why did you delete now i look stupid

[stark needle]

Ai slop

[tight tinsel]

hi shadow

[stark needle]

[uneven pulsar]

ok chat time to use ai to detect ai based or ai generated ai detectors

[stark needle]

[rigid snow]

who's stealing messages

[amber fractal]

Nope, not me

[stark needle]

I ate them all

[hollow spruce]

Promt jaking is failed

[amber fractal]

1GB client is stable

Now we get to play the game of how many

[uneven pulsar]

run them in a cluster

[rigid snow]

k8s minecraft clients

[amber fractal]

Prism can't open an instance on multiple accounts, but I can symlink the instances

so I won't be eating too much storage

[rigid snow]

assets should be shared already

they have a hash blob object storage type situation going on

no idea how to properly call that

[amber fractal]

Hmm, one of you is using 2GB. Probably the one that is hosting

Dynamic FPS is only working on two clients so the rest at at 60

Need more clients, I only have 8

Curse this server limit

Second one it is

Seems like our answer is ram limit

31 out of 32GB used

[nocturne olive]

Whar you sillying?

[nocturne olive]

Wuh

[amber fractal]

@trim valve CPU is somehow not maxed

GPU is suffering a bit, all are above 15fps at least

I've seen single digit lows of 9fps but average is 15-20ish from what I can see

Granted I got inspro from the pixeling chat. let me clean this up so I can send a funny image over

This will take awhile to get the image I want to

Votes on what to have in the chat window

I'm sending this in #cdawg-canvas

If I thought of this earlier I would have made better account names

F2 removes names, I'll be doing that then

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmz0cmG6gFo

[amber fractal]

I'm going to love shuffling these windows around because I want to add a terminal or 2 undernath all of them for the image.

[tender river]

was reading papers but pickles are so distracting

or rather pickles+pickle discord

cant pickle+chat+read at the same time

current template almost done at least

[rare bramble]

same fate as I had last year, -week of productivity because of pickles

[tender river]

ye got #2 in that canvas

[rare bramble]

holy

[tender river]

i started late tho

[tender river]

guess how much i ate on the final day

[rare bramble]

I think I was around top 50, top 2 pretty impressive

[nocturne olive]

If you're memory limited, ask Elvyn for more memory, she has like 256GB

[amber fractal]

The others are close as well

If I were to do it on that system, I'd actually set up a server instead on LAN due to the 8 player limit

[hollow spruce]

What is that ?

[hollow spruce]

Powerful by intel

[amber fractal]

WIP, Still want to do a bit more fine tuning

[hollow spruce]

Install protons or wine or proton lite

[amber fractal]

One of these terminals is dedicated to Say "Swarm never dies"

[amber fractal]

Doubt that do much. I think I'm fine with how these are done for this meme.

Finished, not much honsestly but it was fun

[hollow spruce]

Hmm i can minecraft server in any hardware

[amber fractal]

I could have pulled together a server to get all of them if I wanted to. But the GPU was already pegged and RAM was a very scarce resource so it wasn't worth the extra effort in my eyes.

If I wanted to do more, I would have probably roped in more systems and continued from there.

I'd probably also continue figuring out how to deal with less RAM because it was 2GB per instance with 2 having 3GB each. Granted that is a lack of VRAM issue more than anything.

Void world and building the backdrop would have also done quite a bit

I admit it would be a lot of fun to try and have like over 100 accounts on. But at that point I wouldn't be doing it alone and instead of grabbing other people you could just use fake players

[hollow spruce]

https://youtu.be/p-k5MPhBSjk?si=52tMQZpwepiXkTgf

[rigid snow]

very novel idea

i remember someone running a functional enough server on an arduino like aaages ago

so you can flip a lever and turn an led on/off

[rigid snow]

and those are actual potatoes

[hollow spruce]

https://youtu.be/ZFV76-qJhM4?si=g_dlnKqeakM5BC5m
Hmmm what about this ?

Text extraction mode

[rigid snow]

also on that topic, "limbo" servers are very basic like the hypixel one, or the 2b queue

they're technically servers but do nothing outside of the bare minimum of getting the client connected protocol wise

and some stuff on top optionally

[hollow spruce]

!reset wifi

[amber fractal]

That was a fun video, the more I think about trying to go for a massive server the more I want to. I'm still very limited by client resources so I need to find a way to reduce that.

[hollow spruce]

!reset wifi

[trim valve]

keep in mind the screenshot you sent had each client actively pathfinding which probably needed more CPU

[amber fractal]

Yeah, that is a future limit to keep in mind. Though it seems like a waste for all of them to be in the menu

[safe path]

airpods pro 3 has a heart rate sensor

does it make any sense to put it there

[unkempt citrus]

there is an artery pre close by

here ish

[tender river]

as long as it works

it does make sense in the sense that it stays close to your body

[safe path]

i wonder what happens when u have more than one source of heart rate tracking

[noble zodiac]

There have been a bunch of in-ears with heartrate sensors. afaik none of them came close to smart watch accuracy

[silent cloak]

bring it up with Ellie

she will rant about how much they suck

(she did that when i mentioned my smart watch)

[sage crag]

neural network heart rate guesser

ye ye

20% accurate

[amber fractal]

As a form of completion to today's efforts. Lowest I've gotten the single player world is 800MB. This includes 300MB video memory, 256MB jvm and some more it claims to be off heap. Numbers add up, so that is fine. I at least know the limits.

[brisk laurel]

where can i find free audio libraries that is non copywrite

help...

like sound effects

[tender river]

there are sites like https://freesound.org

just check the license on each sound separately

cc0 means use however you want, cc-by requires attribution, cc-by-nc forbids commercial use, cc-by-sa only allows usage in cc-by-sa works

etc

lysara

[brisk laurel]

i see

but other than that

[tender river]

google cc0 sounds

[brisk laurel]

whats that?

[brisk laurel]

im already using frreesound.org

https://ende.app/en

[brisk laurel]

an audio library i found

[tender river]

nrrrrr

[hollow spruce]

!reset wifi

[real sierra]

hello chat

I accidentally slept through class after coding until 4am

so now I get to code all day uninterrupted

[tender river]

good morning shiro

[real sierra]

🗣️ 💬

[tender river]

[hollow spruce]

Hello

Well I m using Mobile phone data to chat

I thought my wifi slow so I reset my wifi (56 times )

[real sierra]

better but not quite right...

[hollow spruce]

Untill 0-0-0

[real sierra]

oh

i quite explicitly want the opposite of what im giving it

[hollow spruce]

I thought it is not chess ♟️
But a checkers

[real sierra]

it is chess

[hollow spruce]

Not again
!reset wifi
(Module is BUSYBOX )

!reset wifi

[maiden geyser]

why are you trying to reset (?) wifi (?) through discord

[hollow spruce]

I have linked my client to BUSYBOX because I hate to go manual setting

Otherside manage.sh is working

[tender river]

@safe path

[safe path]

[hollow spruce]

Very good drawing

@̶v̶a̶n̶o̶r̶s̶i̶g̶̶m̶a

[sage crag]

@safe path

ye

you

[safe path]

drawn by @digital tartan

[hollow spruce]

We can use this
@̶v̶a̶n̶o̶r̶s̶i̶g̶̶m̶a

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1212937424062119967.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=nuhuh~1

phrrr

[hollow spruce]

Still too many songs are left

I am listening (jk public school national anthem)

[sage crag]

matrix is linear algebra

[hollow spruce]

U will understand AFTER

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

this is highly threatening

[tender river]

koniibwaa

[sage crag]

mrekk is peppy

[tender river]

low ar

[hollow spruce]

Sad I can't edit polls
I want add more things in polls

[sage crag]

i am a very simple linear model

i have y = x activation function

[hollow spruce]

Are u playing with me
( Im talking about maths not module)

[sage crag]

no i simply have no clue what you are talking about

[hollow spruce]

We have asked stupid project in maths use both or use one

[tender river]

[sage crag]

but matrices are linear algebra

or rather, they are a subset of it

[hollow spruce]

Linear equations not algebra

[sage crag]

first degree polynomial

so would you rather do matrices or the equation of a line

[hollow spruce]

Hmm.

[tender river]

go upgrade to relu

[sage crag]

no

wontfix

tanh or softmax only

library not support relu

[opaque sigil]

supporting tanh but not relu is crazy

i respect it

[sage crag]

ye im written in a 3 decade old library

[tender river]

[hollow spruce]

Bye I'm will back tomorrow

[real sierra]

theres so many bugs working together to make this not work

i just fixed a bug where it was reading the board in completely wrong

and its still broken

the pseudo moves are correct tho

...ish

its showing most of the attackable squares for white from the start pos

pawn moves and knight moves

its missing double pawn pushes tho

this doesnt make any sense

it just doesnt make any sense

at all

gen & empty > 0;

why does > take precedence over &

[hoary lion]

wtat is happening at amongus car vc

[real sierra]

good question

[hoary lion]

never seen this amount of people at a single vc

[tender river]

canvas

#cdawg-canvas

radio

[real sierra]

these moves are correct

i just need to fix castling

and double pawn pushes

[hoary lion]

ah i see

[real sierra]

it looks like its really working now

it now sees pawn single and double moves

these are all legal i think

single pawn moves, double pawn moves, and knight moves

i wonder if i can play against it now

[olive sable]

gooooooooooooooodmorning

i woke up cuz they brought me my fries

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

i love fries

today will be a good day, i can feel it

[opaque sigil]

sth sth use clang-tidy to catch dumb stuff like this

[real sierra]

found the bug ive been experiencing for the last 30 minutes

for some reason, when the engine is run through arena, the buffering mode of stdout changes

and \n in the printf format specifier no longer triggers a buffer flush

so i have to manually do it

[frail mortar]

I have a question. Forgive the ignorance if this is uncommon methods.

I'm trying to "Tune persona" before i finetune LoRA.

The method I'm using is a Per-chat .jsonl appending route where I can say things like,
"Please use more sass for this conversation"
And it gets appended to persona.jsonl

Am I going about this the wrong way?

[tender river]

https://imgur.com/a/NJHvyBH

[real sierra]

my bot played one move and then cheated and lost

holy fast too

it made its move in 8ms

[warped narwhal]

I don't know if I would celebrate it taking 8ms to do the move nh6

[real sierra]

well its just taking a random move right now

but it still managed to receive the position, find all legal moves, and then select one and send it back, in 8ms

thats impressive to me

it has 60000ms to work with so

[stark needle]

Best bot strategy is to just play randomly to throw off any ai

Never let them know your next move

[real sierra]

you jest but most chess algorithms assume the opponent makes the best move during their search

they often dont search lines where the opponent makes a blunder

[olive sable]

shiro i watched the new dr stone episode

[real sierra]

i havent seen yet

should i watch

[olive sable]

i did like this one

[real sierra]

red are correctly found moves

blue are illegal moves it thought was legal

and yellow are legal moves it thought was illegal

i

actually think i know what happened

and its insane

if you were to play that white pawn move

but sideways

and on black's side

it would move the knight to where the queen is

which would explain all the discrepancies

[sage crag]

phrrr

[olive sable]

shiro cant tell the difference between queen's and horses

[tender river]

nrm

[sage crag]

nrmm

shimo this annotated board is gibberish

[olive sable]

also why did you use red for legal moves?

thats bad

[real sierra]

it not gibberish

[stray dragon]

red is the default color for drawing on screenshots smh

[olive sable]

i dont care, its bad design

[real sierra]

red arrow: engine said piece can move here and was correct

blue arrow: engine said piece can move here and was wrong

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1212937424062119967.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=nuhuh~1

[real sierra]

yellow arrow: engine said piece can't move here and was wrong

[olive sable]

i know

you said that before

[real sierra]

then not gibberish

very legible

[olive sable]

im saying you shouldnt use those colours for that

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

phrr

[olive sable]

red = bad, green = good is a universal standart

[sage crag]

ye ye

[real sierra]

green hard to see on the board

Bad contrast

[olive sable]

im red-green colourblind so red is also hard to see

[sage crag]

it literally the second highest contrast colour

red and yellow less contrast

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

true

[real sierra]

red green blue

☑️

[sage crag]

gbr

[olive sable]

rgb mhm

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

wait

i didnt mean green

i meant yelow

[sage crag]

ye freud

[stray dragon]

to be fair this contrast isn't that good

[olive sable]

yellow is 255,255,0
yellow is reg and green

dont use yellow

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

do you think the moves are being interpreted wrong or applied wrong

place your bets

[sage crag]

move not exist

phrr

[olive sable]

i bet 5 bucks on your code being bad

[sage crag]

no one will bet against you

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

it got further this time

and then died again

[olive sable]

idk how your code works so it might as well have been a typo

[real sierra]

it was being interpreted wrong

got ranks and files mixed up

but its still broke so now theres more bugs

[sage crag]

phrr

[stray dragon]

this kind of nigh-inexplicable wrong behavior is giving me flashbacks to when i tried making a solver for minesweeper

[real sierra]

took your colour suggestions

even i dont know whats happening here

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

looks like it's thinking the pieces' positions haven't updated from last turn

or something?

[real sierra]

it's hallucinating that it has a knight on g2

[stray dragon]

wait no the knight position at the bottom right is wrong

[real sierra]

we're playing black

it also thinks it has a... something? on h2

a rook or something

[tender river]

off by one?

bwaa

[stray dragon]

no it's black's turn so it would be off by 6 (or 2 if it can wrap around somehow)

[tender river]

shiro try simplifying the position

just nuke most pieces

[real sierra]

i find having more data is helpful

but im guessing this is a problem with move making

time to open up that shitshow

does not make sense that this isnt working

[sage crag]

should have written in hblang

we have function pointers

[real sierra]

chayleaf said i cant use function poitners anymore

[sage crag]

chayleaf wrong

just spam function pointer

everywhere

though

not in the way you used it

[real sierra]

no more function pointer

long function name

[sage crag]

What := struct {
  .x: i32;
  
  erm := fn(self: ^What, y: i32): i32 {
    tmp := self.x
    self.x += y;
    return tmp;
  }
}

hblang struct member function

[real sierra]

erm()

[sage crag]

wowo

a := What.(1)
b := What.{x: 2}
b.x = a.erm(101)

ye so easy

[real sierra]

something about a function named erm is making me giggle a lot

[sage crag]

there more cursed stuff you can do with hblang though

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

Zero := @TypeOf(.())

Suc := fn($T: type): type {
  return @TypeOf(.(@as(T, idk)))
}

One := Suc(Zero)
Two := Suc(One)

ye

[real sierra]

yeah.... not quite

is this wrong

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

wait

wtf am i doing

this is way wrong

[uneven pulsar]

ok so

[real sierra]

[uneven pulsar]

i've been watching shiro struggle with schizo.h and schizo.c

and i think i now know how i could illustrate the difference between what a programmer and a developer is

to anyone asking

[real sierra]

i dont know if im proud or concerned that i was the model case

[uneven pulsar]

its okay :shiropat:

[real sierra]

https://gyazo.com/914f69c52016ae4cff08c724772a313c.gif

it working much better

almost gets thru an entire game against itself

i see, the king tried to move back to g8 but the pawn was protecting the square, making it illegal

ah

its a corner case actually

the api doesnt realize the square is under attack because it's not a legal move for the pawn to move to it while it's empty

it got further, but i forgot to implement piece promotion when moving pieces

[lucid galleon]

linux ? Top window can made me wrong

[real sierra]

lubuntu

[tender river]

ye

[real sierra]

shayleeaf

[real sierra]

that would do it

[tender river]

na not hash

[real sierra]

it went thru 100 moves without dying

to test it any further i probably have to make a better bot

[tender river]

gj shiro

[real sierra]

i get to write chess bot now

exciting

actually

i probably need a few more api functions

for getting check status, fetching bitboards etc

[hexed pebble]

Can I test it? I have some previous experience.

[real sierra]

hold onto that experience

the reason im making this api in the first place is to host a chess bot tournament here

you'll get your chance

[hexed pebble]

I can show evidence.

[hexed pebble]

😔

[olive sable]

shiro what is this about level 1 markdown thingies?

i cant post code with a python comment in it

[tender river]

ye # at line start

[olive sable]

is it cuz there's a space after it?

do i jsut remove the space?

[tender river]

regex doesnt know its code

this channel is supposed to have exemptions tho

[olive sable]

im posting in a thread so not apllicable

renpy has a really fucking weird bug with fps

[tender river]

ye cant do that

[olive sable]

im in the neuro ace attorney thread

ai attorney

[sage crag]

erms

nope it work

[olive sable]

wdym?

oh, ye thats in this channel

erf

its disabled here for some reason

probably also cuz comments in code

[real sierra]

yeah python comments would prob get caught as markdown

soz

[olive sable]

its no big deal

i was just confused why i was getting modded for python code

[real sierra]

you're a cool person

[olive sable]

thanks i guess?

idk why that makes me a cool person but ill take the compliment

[unkempt citrus]

bring back using strings as comments

[olive sable]

no

fuck you

strings take up some of my precious tokens

[real sierra]

wait

im realizing a problem with monte carlo tree search

[olive sable]

elaborate?

[real sierra]

Simulation Phase: From the newly added node, a random playout is performed until reaching a terminal state. During this phase, moves are chosen randomly or using simple heuristics, making the simulation computationally inexpensive.

(from a random writeup on mcts)

i didnt really think about this step much before, as it seems quite simple

but uh

how many random chess moves do you figure it takes to complete a game of chess

[olive sable]

30-40?

[real sierra]

30-40 totally random moves?

[olive sable]

idk

[real sierra]

im guessing more like

500

[tender river]

i'd expect a draw before rng wins

[olive sable]

if both sides completely throw out any common sense it might as well never end

[real sierra]

this is also a problem, ill get minimal information from these simulations if they end in draw

so my MCTS probably need a heuristic to be useful at all

literally just any heuristic to make the game end faster

[tender river]

me tired use captures

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

could work...

choose first move that captures, otherwise choose at random

[olive sable]

i asked chatgpt to find some specific code form a file i gave it, and it jsut made some code up

[sage crag]

me tired use cannon

[novel blade]

Do people still wish shiro happy birthday?

[olive sable]

yes

[real sierra]

🥀

you've been here since 2023

[novel blade]

It’s been a year since I last visited here 💔

[real sierra]

💔 they havent stopped

[novel blade]

Happy birthday!

[real sierra]

[novel blade]

You’re another day older

[olive sable]

while the rest of us take a year to rotate around the sun, shiro takes a day

[real sierra]

its because i run really fast

[olive sable]

leaked images of shiro irl

[novel blade]

Time totally works that way

[olive sable]

he's jsut the sun station init

[novel blade]

Omg they added so many neurosama emojis

I scrolled to find something to use 🥀

[olive sable]

[novel blade]

this is me looking at all the emoji on my tiny phone screen

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

mininub

oh wait

you didnt do

-#

bite sized

[olive sable]

damn you chayleaf

i cant take this seriously now

[real sierra]

?\

[olive sable]

dont worry about it

[tender river]

me innocent

[olive sable]

i know you did nothing wrong

but that doesnt change the fact that i now know what that word means

[tender river]

[sage crag]

multiple meaning

your fault you pick bad meaning

[olive sable]

so anyways

[midnight sigil]

minub

[real sierra]

mcts bot is almost ready

the ultimate api test rig

as well as my submission to the tournament

what multitasking

[amber fractal]

only doing two things equally badly

[real sierra]

it do good

(it will memory leak and segfault)

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

idk whats causing it either

bug only occurs outside of gdb

it was because gdb was disabling address space randomization

not where i thought the issue would be tho

[amber fractal]

resetting up zen browser, quite a bit of work has been done since I've updated that last.

I just never bothered to update it until now

[real sierra]

im so confused

chess_is_game_ended says the game is in a normal state because there are still legal moves

and then the program crashes a few lines later because there are 0 legal moves

?

that's not good

frick

this is a really hard bug to figure out

[olive sable]

does the function modify the board parameter?

[real sierra]

nope

its not supposed to, at least

[olive sable]

try adding const maybe???

[real sierra]

this issue only comes up like

1 in 10000 calls

[real sierra]

well

its awkward actually

part of the legal move finding results gets cached

[faint sandal]

[real sierra]

so it does technically modify the struct

or well

yeah i guess it does

but not really

oh well

step 1

rig the random generator to cause the bug more often

fixing the rng seed didn't change anything...

it still occurs at random...

wtf

[olive sable]

trying to fix the renpy fps thing i broke the launcher

if you change the rendermode from gl to gles on linux it does not liek that

[real sierra]

time to throw valgrind at it

watch new stone episode while that runs

holy

[olive sable]

about dr stone?

[real sierra]

yea

[olive sable]

ye some shit went down

[real sierra]

good episode

now lets see what valgrind fo-

i dont understand any of the output

[hollow spruce]

Trail and error
Keep it up

[real sierra]

debug flag time

[hollow spruce]

No ans this one (code is not valid

Ure print outcome

printf("The outcome is: %d\n", outcome);
🙂

[unkempt citrus]

You can also play chess through tenorr

https://txnor.com/vieag/screaming-screaming-man-steve-carell-brick-anchorman-brick-gueule-gif-16992866031978400805

[olive sable]

????

[hollow spruce]

Let go

[olive sable]

what was that previous one?

[unkempt citrus]

\s/e/x

[hollow spruce]

This is call gif injection

[unkempt citrus]

which replaces the e in tenor with x

which someone set up a server

to makx -> substitute e with x that image you saw

[hollow spruce]

Not working

[open copper]

[unkempt citrus]

drop the backslash

[olive sable]

hi heir

this time i did nothing wrong

[wide flicker]

hello #programming o/

[unkempt citrus]

[hollow spruce]

We can do gif this animated style as position

Program is loading

[real sierra]

wait

thats crazy

[olive sable]

this one too

[real sierra]

typing +:+ adds a 👍 to the prior msg?

insane

[unkempt citrus]

Yeha thats inherited from irc

• into an emoji adds a reaction

[olive sable]

+:+ did in fact not add a thumbs up

[real sierra]

omg ur right

+:!

[olive sable]

yay

it owrked

[hollow spruce]

Let use text extraction in this chat

[olive sable]

im still pulling my hair out due to the renpy renderer

that thing is made by weird people

[hollow spruce]

Lol regonise is corrupt

个 # programming > Q Shiro-9SHIR 8:53 AM typing + : + adds a 目to the prior msg ? insane Rare Possum : > } 8:53 AM Yeha thats inherited from irc + into an emoji adds a reaction +1 Sam ▲ ONURO { } 8:54 AM + : + did in fact not add a thumbs up Shiro~四SHIR omg ur right 8:54 AM + : ! Sam ▲ ONURO } 8:55 AM yay it owrked 100 } 8:55 AM Let use text extraction in this chat + Message # . . .

[real sierra]

LLM vomit

[olive sable]

[hollow spruce]

Maybe I should fix this later

[real sierra]

dude

this is so annoying

should i just switch all malloc calls to calloc

surely that magically fixes everything

[pulsar edge]

send me your code

[real sierra]

yeah?

[pulsar edge]

[real sierra]

its all C

[pulsar edge]

I love C

[real sierra]

the main file is 1400 lines

[pulsar edge]

I hate you

[real sierra]

i hate me too

[pulsar edge]

[uneven pulsar]

this should be a framed image
it tells a story, like a haiku
only in discord form

[real sierra]

anyway

i think switching all mallocs to calloc

surely makes all issues go away

[hollow spruce]

Saving memory

[olive sable]

why are you even using malloc?

i thought you didnt need to

[hollow spruce]

1200 line of cpp hmm i hope compiler doesn't take time

Clang main.c

[pulsar edge]

1200 lines is nothing to a compiler

[real sierra]

why did you think that

[uneven pulsar]

stack purism!

[pulsar edge]

shiro we need the chess player to run on an esp32 we cant be using malloc

everything must be statically allocated

[real sierra]

stack purists when i want to clone a struct

[glad path]

hi shiro unhappy night

[olive sable]

you can just do int num; and it exists no?
no need to malloc

[hollow spruce]

I made easy
Main.cxx
Cmakelist.txt
Logic.cxx
Moves.cxx
WindowsEXIT.cpp

[glad path]

bye

[real sierra]

you're trolling rn you have to be

[olive sable]

im not

[real sierra]

ok so

this is a chess api right

[olive sable]

does it not work like that in C?

[real sierra]

at some point it has to return the board and possibly moves to the user

[pulsar edge]

you can create globals in C, yes

[real sierra]

the moment you want to return an array in C

you're using pointers

[olive sable]

ok

i dont see the issue

[real sierra]

then you have to malloc

if you use a stack variable it's gone after the function returns

because the stack frame is gone

[pulsar edge]

you either need to point to something that exists off the stack or higher in the stack than when you're returning right now

[real sierra]

problem 2 you encounter is that stack arrays have a fixed size

so higher in the stack isnt really an option if you cant predict how big of an array you need

[pulsar edge]

I think modern gcc lets you do variable sized stack arrays

[real sierra]

i think that's a crime against C

[pulsar edge]

but its still a bad idea if the array is coming from the network

[real sierra]

i mean

"network"

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm true

[real sierra]

array is coming from another process (ish)

[olive sable]

id rather jsut pass an array into the function than having to use malloc

[pulsar edge]

id call that network yeah

[real sierra]

but you dont know how big the array needs to be

you cant make a stack array unless you decide the size ahead of time

and you cant know the size ahead of time here

[pulsar edge]

what is this array for

why cant you put a hard limit on its size

[olive sable]

im geussing cuz there are thousands of possible moves

[real sierra]

the array im talking about is the array of legal moves on a board

[olive sable]

use a vector

[pulsar edge]

there's an upper limit to that

[real sierra]

im sure you can find some sort of hard upper bound on the size but you would waste tons of space

and given this is something you're probably caching a lot in any performant bot

[pulsar edge]

ig

[real sierra]

it doesnt make sense to stack allocate

[pulsar edge]

true

[real sierra]

@pulsar edge do you speak valgrind

[pulsar edge]

I know a little bit

[real sierra]

is this bad

[pulsar edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162871268354314240.png?quality=lossless&name=monkaOMEGA&size=48

[hollow spruce]

💀

[real sierra]

most of them are the same issue

but i dont really know what this means

[pulsar edge]

shiro the kinda programmer to not check his status code return values

[real sierra]

trueeeeeeeeee

[hollow spruce]

I will Wait for c+++

[olive sable]

legal moves max is 3x8 + 14x2 + 8x2 + 14x2 + 8 + 28

[real sierra]

if malloc starts failing i have bigger problems

[olive sable]

so 132

per colour

[amber fractal]

Surely

[olive sable]

pawns can only move forwards, with sideways as attack, so 3
rooks do 7 in each direction, same with bishops, horse does 8 possible spaces, king too, queen does rook + bishop

[real sierra]

dont forget en passant, castles, and separate moves for every possible promotion

[pulsar edge]

void* ptr = malloc(sizeof(yourmom_t));
if (!ptr) {
  fprintf(stderr, "Buy more ram lol");
  exit(1);
}

[olive sable]

en passant is still jsut sideways, not a diffrent slot

[amber fractal]

did someone say 3rd queen

[olive sable]

for casteling add 1 legal move i guess idk

133

[real sierra]

promote to bishop

[olive sable]

me when i promote to 10 horses

[pulsar edge]

you can en passant both dirs tho

[olive sable]

yes, its still jsut sideways

3 x 8

8 pawns

3 directions

[real sierra]

sam is right about the en passant

[pulsar edge]

ah

[amber fractal]

two, it isn't mirrored long / short

[real sierra]

the promotion issue multiplies all pawn moves by 4 tho

[pulsar edge]

yeah

[hollow spruce]

Ping is soo fast
(20 ms )

70 MB/S

[olive sable]

is 20ms fast?

[pulsar edge]

depends

[hollow spruce]

For me yes

[olive sable]

i may be spoiled but idk

[hollow spruce]

Other gets (10 ms )

With 10mb/s

Let me use vpn to fast connect

[real sierra]

ok there are no more uninitialized things in get_legal_moves

they should have all been initialized eventually anyway but now they all start zeroed out

[hollow spruce]

Make rules .c for better

I will learn go soon

[midnight sigil]

I always wonder how does vpn help with ping

I still need to connect to a vpn yea? why I get latency boost

[hollow spruce]

Not for ms it for internet speed

[olive sable]

i have found the function that renpy uses to draw
tbh im still not sure why it goes to 23fps when askign for 60 even with seeing the code

[hollow spruce]

Renpy to draw

[olive sable]

im trying to help the ai attorney guys

[hollow spruce]

Chatgpt will help me in go language

[real sierra]

well that had a small impact

[olive sable]

smol

[pulsar edge]

I only ever use malloc when I knew I'm going to immediately replace all the values

like when mallocing a struct on the heap

[real sierra]

i cant believe it but

this might've fixed it

idek how that caused an issue

concerning

[pulsar edge]

but heap arrays are always calloc unless I'm going to memcpy an existing array of the same size into it

[pulsar edge]

wait youre passing ubinitialized stack memory around too

[real sierra]

none of it should've been uninitialized

idk how it ever was

[hollow spruce]

Fix mem leaking

[pulsar edge]

are you absolutely sure

valuing says otherwise

unless you copied initialized memory from the heap onto the stack maybe?

does the rerun with less errors still say uninitialized stack allocation

[real sierra]

not really in this function

it was mostly other things that i went and cleaned up quickly

[pulsar edge]

those line numbers in valgrind are terrifying btw

[real sierra]

how come?

[pulsar edge]

huge