programming

[hollow spruce]

Use MCP connect

[olive sable]

MCP connect?

[hollow spruce]

Like a main switch for power connection

[olive sable]

Im fine with just using this one

[hollow spruce]

Looking good

[hollow spruce]

But we need extra slot

[olive sable]

Nah im removing the old sub and old av

Ill actually have a slot extra

[hollow spruce]

I guess that also works

#programming message
#programming message

Hmm atic

[jagged turtle]

you already surpass me so you're better than at least 10 people here I think

(here as in server, not here as in channel)

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

[rigid snow]

no

horrible game

[nocturne olive]

Whar

It's fun though

[rigid snow]

i'm bad at it

therefore bad

[nocturne olive]

I'm bad at it too and it's still fun

[rigid snow]

i wanted to say i'm worse but i'm definitely not

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[olive sable]

Ok i have connected the new sub

I think im at thd point where too loud is too loud

This sub dwarfs all my speakers here in pure output, and i havent even bass boosted it yet

Im scared of what this thing doubds like at full volume

[rigid snow]

bass boosting is the stupidest thing ever

i like my frequency response curves flat

[olive sable]

I used to have to bass boost to make it flat

Now i think i need to do the opposite

New speakerlayout should be good

Sub in the middle

[rigid snow]

looks nice

especially with the mesh off, maybe it's worth it to take meshes off all of them

[olive sable]

Should i put the centre on top of the sub or to the right of it?

[rigid snow]

you should put the center at the center

[olive sable]

Ye i also like the meshless look tbh

[olive sable]

Ok but where?

Wait i have an idea

[rigid snow]

i'd personally put it where the avr is, and avr to either side

[olive sable]

It will have to go to the right cuz cables

Ps5 will go left then

[rigid snow]

next to the gamecube

[olive sable]

I think i should also lower the crossover from 200 to maybe 100

[rigid snow]

oh the sub is probably even louder then

[hollow spruce]

Hmm maybe try

[sage crag]

is this src file classifying types for a programming language

or is it classifying types for the host language (c++)

[tender river]

its an ida plugin

[faint sandal]

it's none of the above

it's the IDA SDK for interacting with IDA

[sage crag]

[hollow spruce]

Why it feel like sniper code sample
My dump thought

[rigid snow]

[faint sandal]

https://github.com/KasperskyLab/hrtng/issues/36

[sage crag]

pls

[hollow spruce]

Playing music

[rigid snow]

[hollow spruce]

“Debugging my code is enough, now node_modules isn’t enough. My AI backend shows errors. NPM!!!”

[olive sable]

A metal shaving from a copper wire fell into the avr

[scarlet arch]

so, we deployed our software to one of my VMs, I already have worse network traffic than any customer, so it was heavily under load. coworker thought to remedy this, I deploy their "fix" and now my machine does this:

The graph ending there is because something is hogging all the memory and even my SSH session is lagging :D

[olive sable]

Lets hope it doesnt explode cuz idk how to get it out

[scarlet arch]

what is a avr?

[olive sable]

Av receiver

The thing powering my speakers

[scarlet arch]

oh I see

[nocturne olive]

Why do websites use so much memory?

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[olive sable]

Yo

[hollow spruce]

Our kit is ready

[trim valve]

what even

[hollow spruce]

Let play some music

[trim valve]

turn it upside down and vaccum

[olive sable]

Not yet, i have to do front right and center still

[hollow spruce]

Maybe ure ure website is heavy!!!!

[olive sable]

Honestly not a bad idea

[nocturne olive]

about:memory

[hollow spruce]

Today is raining weather

[trim valve]

i mean that page does at least explain what's using memory, no?

[gritty dust]

er...

[nocturne olive]

8GB extensions

Will look around more at home

[olive sable]

I held it upsidedown and it fell put

No problems, it works

[olive sable]

Crossover at 80 for the good speakers, and max for the shitty heights

[grim lantern]

hi

[grim lantern]

yo is that htop ?

btop *

[nocturne olive]

Yes?

[nocturne olive]

Rare Elvyn spotted

[grim lantern]

so u a linux user

[nocturne olive]

Yes

[grim lantern]

what distro

?

[nocturne olive]

Mint Cinnamon

[grim lantern]

I sound autistic rn

[opaque sigil]

Please level your TV I beg

[rigid snow]

no sam you should put it at 45deg

[opaque sigil]

I'll take that compromise

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

@sage crag I did a couple more optimisations and now my lil gpu hash table is on average about 150x faster than the shitty cpu one

Using the lower couple bits of the hash as a starting point for searching inside the bucket helped a lot

[olive sable]

It wont stay level cuz its on a swivel bracket

I tried 3 times

[opaque sigil]

[olive sable]

The weight of the tv pulls itself fown to the side

[opaque sigil]

Unlucky

[rough bloom]

attach random stuff to the back of the TV to fix the center of mass

[olive sable]

That doesnt work, that would infact add more mass

[opaque sigil]

Unironically yes

Add it to the left

[olive sable]

Hmm

[opaque sigil]

Random brick taped to the TV

[rough bloom]

yeah, but if you add it on the high side then it should make it stop tilting at least

just need to put it in the right spot and make sure your mounting solution can handle the added weight

[olive sable]

The problem with the tv tilting is loose studs in the wall

So probably not

[hard raptor]

We appearantly getting a LTT collab with Linus Torvalds

[rough bloom]

changing the center of mass might still work but yeah it would be best to just fix the root cause then

[hard raptor]

What?! Lmfao

[sage crag]

i also use that

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

u might want to consider swisstables, its one of the fastest scaling ways of checking hashes with parallelism

as far as im aware

[tender river]

its made for cpu caches

for gpu you might want to consider gpu specific papers

[opaque sigil]

Unfortunately I am bound to cuckoo hashing, as much as I would love not to

[sage crag]

yes, that as well

[sage crag]

its not too hard to implement the same principles

[sage crag]

alongside each each entry you also store a short hash

which is a u8

[tender river]

maybe try nonlinear probing?

[sage crag]

the same u8 also stores the status of the entry

i use 0xFF for vacant slot and 0x80 for tombstoned slot

[tender river]

what probing did you try other than linear

[sage crag]

quadratic

[tender river]

wasnt there something else

or just that

[sage crag]

and a variant on linear that steps based on the hash value

[tender river]

fsh

[sage crag]

in the end for me linear was the fastest

[opaque sigil]

There's barely any probing, just recursive eviction
That's the whole problem that idk how to optimise for

[tender river]

cpu

[sage crag]

yes

cpu

iirc those dont really work with cuckoo hashing but we shall see

you can also try applying robin hood hashing

[opaque sigil]

Cuckoo hashing is non-negotiable

[sage crag]

its a hashmap optimisation technique that modifies the order of items for more optimal lookup

[opaque sigil]

I thought about hashing separately inside the buckets too but idk, sounds expensive

[real sierra]

woke up and immediately started coding in my head

the project worm has taken control of my brain

[sage crag]

if you precompute the hashes and store them alongside the entries you get to do that for free

[tender river]

ye that

[unkempt citrus]

strange way to celebraye your birthday but who am i to judge, you do you

[rigid timber]

prediction: it'll end up on the pile of other incomplete projects

[real sierra]

nuh uh

[opaque sigil]

Btw I'm making a cuckoo filter so there are only fingerprints stored (first n bits of the hashed key)

[real sierra]

the coding component is relatively small so surely I'll finish it

[tender river]

i woke up and immediately started reading papers got nerdsniped hard

[real sierra]

I feel that

[sage crag]

i woke up and

[real sierra]

started doing my work for me

[sage crag]

noe

thanks

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

unless your work is hashmap

bad hashmap impl can do better

[real sierra]

board hash is a required feature

[tender river]

shr hash

[sage crag]

you do not want to use my hashmap for that

[real sierra]

https://www.chessprogramming.org/Zobrist_Hashing

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[real sierra]

[rigid timber]

your unique board hash is 4, you're welcome

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[real sierra]

Yo

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[sage crag]

[hollow spruce]

How is ure night tho

[rigid timber]

oY

[real sierra]

it's daytime here I just awoke

[sage crag]

ye i was about to say

there are better hashing methods for known datasets

even integers have better hashing methods than generic hashers

[real sierra]

but my implementation is slow

[sage crag]

riiz

rewrite in zig

[real sierra]

I wrote in java

[hollow spruce]

💀

[real sierra]

actually no

[tender river]

[real sierra]

I think the first implementation of this I ever did, years ago, was Lua

[sage crag]

https://github.com/zig-gamedev/zmath
simd maths

zig

[rigid timber]

rewrite in Kotlin, it'll stay compatible

[sage crag]

[hollow spruce]

What why u need learn
Npm is suck
Pip is slow
Include is kicked me
Asm forgot

[real sierra]

rewriting in php

[rigid timber]

hot take: newest PHP versions aren't that terrible...

[opaque sigil]

I'll take php over most other languages

[hollow spruce]

Maybe I learn qskit end of my school life
Need physics

[opaque sigil]

*dynamically typed languages

qiskit

[hollow spruce]

What should I do should I go with data science or ai dev
Or software engineer or hardware Engineer

?

I get more confusing to choose paths

[real sierra]

that's a choice I think you should make based on your own interests, not those of others

[hollow spruce]

Gaming is my interest

[real sierra]

nice

[hollow spruce]

Wait a second I'm also be game dev

Need maths and physics

Thank for idea @real sierra

[real sierra]

https://www.wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/UCIProtocol.html

[tender river]

why must think to make new stuff

[trim valve]

https://web.archive.org/web/20250110084650/https://www.wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/UCIProtocol.html :3

[keen lily]

why must know to make new stuff

[real sierra]

the page still exists the cert is just expired

regardless it's an annoying spec

too many commands

[trim valve]

lol

[real sierra]

exists for me?

[trim valve]

incredible

[real sierra]

load bearing standard hosted on a calculator

[tender river]

cert fine page fine

[real sierra]

attackers?

anyway

I need to make a thing that understands all these commands

[tender river]

bgp

[real sierra]

and uses them to update some local cached stuff

but on top of that, the chess bot has to be able to read that local cache

[tender river]

or ipv6

[real sierra]

so there gonna be concurrent access

do I need to worry about synchronization primitives and stuff

idk how those work in C

[tender river]

[trim valve]

oh true I very much might be accessing it over v6

[tender river]

v4 fine

[trim valve]

[tender river]

bad admin

[rigid timber]

well yeah, if you're doing concurrent stuff, you do need to worry about synchronization... unless you manage to write something that can never run into a race condition of any kind

[trim valve]

smh writing your backend in C instead of rust

[tender river]

no atomics = data races = bad

[real sierra]

[rigid timber]

ngl I was going to say the same

[tender river]

rust does make concurrency trivial

[real sierra]

I want languages to easily be able to make bindings to the methods I expose

[tender river]

its possibly the only language where you can actually be sure concurrent mutation wont backfire

wont help with debugging tho

[real sierra]

C seemed the logical choice for that

[rigid timber]

Rust can expose C bindings

[tender river]

rust has c ffi both ways

[sage crag]

no atomics = no data races (because you programmed better) = good

[real sierra]

I also don't know rust

I welcome you writing it for me though

[rigid timber]

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

ye ye shibo learn rust

[rigid timber]

I don't think a basic UCI client would be that difficult to write...

[real sierra]

I've tried learning rust it's just too weird

yucky

don't like

[tender river]

[rigid timber]

valid opinion, even if I don't share it

[real sierra]

it feels like I have to completely relearn programming to use it

the return on effort is just not worth when C is right there

[tender river]

not java cant use

[rigid timber]

you can do C ffi in Java

[real sierra]

^

but if I use java for the backend I'll be shot

so I haven't

[tender river]

no shiro dont worry you will be shot either way

[trim valve]

tbh I'm kinda tempted to try and find another sort of game to do in my own time

[real sierra]

a lot more people are forgiving of C than Java

[trim valve]

but like not something that's been studied to death

[rough bloom]

Zig?

[real sierra]

especially since the API will be unavoidable for the chess bots

[real sierra]

I'll write the API in C and if you wanna make zig bindings to the C header that's fine

[tender river]

do

[trim valve]

hm?

[tender river]

.

[trim valve]

my current idea certainly exists but I'm not super confident in it

[tender river]

play? make game? make bot?

[trim valve]

oh right

make a game that bots can play

[tender river]

[real sierra]

a game that bots can play?

[tender river]

shiro a game just for you

[rigid timber]

birthday simulator?

[real sierra]

[trim valve]

I kinda want to experiment with giving bots less info

like they don't get an absolute speed, or position

[real sierra]

you want to

lo-bot-omize them

(laugh)

[trim valve]

is it considered mean to force people to do ffts in their bot

[real sierra]

sort of

I mean

this just feels like you would add code to re-derive the expected parameters from the set you get

and then plug it into an existing bot

as normal

[tender river]

vs? singleplayer?

[real sierra]

so same but slower no?

[trim valve]

surely if there's a cpu time limit / realtime competition there'd be a tradeoff here though

[trim valve]

undecided yet, still in the fielding ideas stage

[real sierra]

fft is pretty fast and they probably don't have that many new data points per turn

[trim valve]

probably vs because it would bring some interesting offensive measures

[real sierra]

you can reuse a lot of previous data no?

[trim valve]

my main idea though is to make it slightly more "realtime" vs

as opposed to lockstep turns

[real sierra]

I see

then just make the sampling rate adaptive or something

[trim valve]

ofc still very much undecided on a lot of stuff

[real sierra]

if the previous thinking cycle took longer than expected, use a cached value for your parameters

when thinking is simple, update them

i would still take an approach of adapting inputs to use a traditional bot tho

instead of simplifying the bot

[trim valve]

again I still haven't massively thought about how the game would work

I can send my very confusing and unhelpful diagram if you want 😭

[real sierra]

I have plenty of those already but I think the channel would like it

[trim valve]

basically each "point" emits a "sound" at a specific frequency that bounces around the map
each ship can "hear" sound (would need at least two ears to allow orientation, potentially allow people to change ship design)
to spice up the game ships could also have the ability to emit sounds themselves

ignore the wii tanks

I just needed a map and was lazy

again though, very much in funky idea land rn instead of "would this in any way be fun"

[real sierra]

I see

this seems like it has a pretty defined solution to it

[trim valve]

true

atm its mostly just trying to figure out what would even be work as a game

combined with my current random interest in signal stuff for no good reason

alternatively I just make normal asteroids

and call that good enough

[real sierra]

asteroids strategy is just hold spin and spam shoot at the right time

humans aren't very good at the second part

[midnight sigil]

screeps

[real sierra]

robots are godly

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

[rigid snow]

she is real to me

[midnight sigil]

💊

[real sierra]

surely vedal will submit her to the chess competition

[trim valve]

i should really get around to launching screeps

[midnight sigil]

train on 600 elo matches

so we get the most average bots

we compete for the lowest winrate

worstfish

[real sierra]

you should probably train on 100 elo matches so you get a better sense of what the competition will be

everyone seems to think the bar is making a bot that can outperform a human

but I also have yet to find someone who has any clue how they'd make a chess bot

so I think it's a very level playing field

[midnight sigil]

job of the bot is to find the worst move, which requires to exclude the best moves, aka it need to know the best moves

Best Move Paradox

[lament igloo]

i noticed recently that almost all of the websites i visited recently are now loading their assets with
Filename-RandomString.ext
image-utils-DEfDlrY6.js
which is kinda annoying for cache reasons prevents bots fetching ig?

[trim valve]

is it random or is it a hash?

[rigid snow]

no it's

[trim valve]

some places do that so they can more easily update assets whilst still having caching

[rigid snow]

it's random so an older version does not get cached

[midnight sigil]

cdn filtering?

[lament igloo]

thats one thing
but i think its used to protect game assets as well

[rigid snow]

no not really

it's just what bundlers do

[rigid timber]

the missile knows where it isn't...

[real sierra]

caibi is kinda right tho

you just swap some signs around and minimax becomes maximin

same algorithm for both tasks just different preference

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

surely though there's more bad moves than good moves later in the game

so you'd have to explore a wider tree rather than a deeper one

[real sierra]

but finding a worst move is hard

[midnight sigil]

maximin

[lament igloo]

for example :
https://[url]/games/richmanRelease/resource/animation/role/mv_role_201_tex_c4be8467.png
if it was mv_role_201_tex.png, i would have downloaded every single character assets from the game by now
but if its mv_role_201_tex_c4be8467.png, it suddenly gets hard to download all assets

[real sierra]

the shortest sequence of moves to get into checkmate

that's very tricky to find

[rigid timber]

considering that neither opponent would ever take anything, you'd just end up with "most moves to draw" simulator

[real sierra]

because you're basically solving the problem of "how do I get to checkmate quickest" for the other player

and it's even worse because the other player probably moves assuming you're making intelligent moves, too

[midnight sigil]

50 rule

tbh, if a move is forced, the bot has to play that move

[rigid snow]

i get what you mean but there's literally client side code that fetches that, which you can parse
it's not done for obf reasons at all, it's just a side effect

[rigid timber]

take after 49 moves every time

[midnight sigil]

so, it's somehow balanced even with worst vs worst

[rigid snow]

why are we competing for the worst bot now

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[lament igloo]

worst bot is random chess move generator

[real sierra]

if someone wants to make a worst bot implementation they can go ahead

[lament igloo]

i've seen their terrible plays

[real sierra]

false

[rigid timber]

so since we have 15 pieces not counting the king, 30 for both sides, 49 moves per capture... an optimal game would always last 1470 moves and end as a draw

[lament igloo]

wuh why

[trim valve]

if you're doing random then you could pick a good move

[midnight sigil]

a check can reset the rule

not capturing specifically iirc

[trim valve]

you need to specifically not pick a good move

[real sierra]

random can choose good moves by accident

[rigid timber]

oh, can it?

[midnight sigil]

mhm

[real sierra]

an intentionally bad bot, however, can place their pieces to minimize the amount of ways a random opponent can avoid taking their pieces

[lament igloo]

random
check if good move
if good, choose another one

there u go

[real sierra]

you just shrink the opponent's legal move set to only include moves where you lose material

[real sierra]

check if good move

easy one liner

surely

[rigid timber]

then an optimal game would end when one side runs out of time, so not only do you have to pick the worst move, you have to do it fast

[rigid snow]

📞 🤖 "hey stockfish is move good"

[rigid timber]

though actually, the 50 move rule is about captures and pawn moves, it doesn't say anything about checks

[midnight sigil]

let's verify it on lichess

[rigid timber]

relevant part of FIDE rules:

9.3 The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by a player having the move, if:
    9.3.1 he writes his move, which cannot be changed, on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move which will result in the last 50 moves by each player having been made without the movement of any pawn and without any capture, or
    9.3.2 the last 50 moves by each player have been completed without the movement of any pawn and without any capture.

so ±1500 moves still stands

[lament igloo]

oh fuck ur right

[sage crag]

promt

[rigid timber]

actually the 50-move rule is only upon claim by a player, we have to use the 75-move rule which is applied by the arbiter without player input

[trim valve]

though iirc a lot of websites will auto draw after 50?

[sage crag]

yes they do, but that's just a default

on lichess for example you can turn it off

(i think)

[real sierra]

how about you just

make moves

or advance the game

[tender river]

make a mov

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

no no this is important

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty-move_rule

[trim valve]

can I cook your pc instead

[rigid timber]

we draw after 2200 moves, that's funnier

[real sierra]

and for the next round in the tournament we have LoseBot vs SegFaultBot

[sage crag]

no capture in 50 moves => either bot can claim a draw
no capture in 75 moves => draw automatic

[trim valve]

oh yeah shrio what is your defence against just like going over to the opponents memory and messing with them

[sage crag]

memory reading bot

om

"psychic attack gambit"

[real sierra]

once again I invite everyone to join in the contest, the bar to be competitive is VERY LOW

and the API will be friendly

[fast pagoda]

VirusTotalFlag bot

[trim valve]

hook the enemy's move api call and make it random

[real sierra]

I think the current rules would outlaw that

[rigid timber]

good thing UCI doesn't have a mechanism for a bot to claim a draw

[real sierra]

and I also think the operating system might explode you

[trim valve]

surely it depends how you're actually making people compete

which ngl I haven't quite worked out yet

[tender river]

it wont run in different vms

[trim valve]

idk I'm not shiro

[sage crag]

ye

assume win memory layout, segfault when you write system memory

[rigid timber]

well both bots won't run in the same process, so you can't just mess with the opponent

or not easily

[tender river]

its easy

[sage crag]

its easy if you know where the bot is in memory, know the memory layout of the bot program, and are running as admin

[real sierra]

nah both in same vm

[midnight sigil]

cool check does not avoid the rule

[tender river]

both running as same user

no root

process_vm_writev

[sage crag]

on limux maybe

[rigid timber]

you won't be running as admin obviously

[sage crag]

with no firejail

[tender river]

will it be windows or linux vm

[real sierra]

Linux vm

[sage crag]

drat

[real sierra]

anyway

the rules say don't mess with the backend

I would consider this messing with the backend

[sage crag]

no backend messed with

[real sierra]

not part of your bot = backend

[sage crag]

only things the backend is using

semantics

[tender river]

bringing a gun to a chess fight

[sage crag]

ye i'll obfuscate my bot

[trim valve]

what if I inadvertendly cause ub in the backend

[sage crag]

by accident

right

[hollow spruce]

BACKEND

[sage crag]

helpful

[tender river]

ub

[rigid timber]

well ub can only cause trouble for yourself, so...

[rigid snow]

what if the behavior is winning the tournament immediately

[tender river]

valid

[real sierra]

then I'll fix the bug and rebuild the bot

[trim valve]

😔

[real sierra]

[tender river]

shiro can you please add undocumented stockfish api

[sage crag]

can we bribe you to not do that

[tender river]

i might participate then

[trim valve]

rigged

[real sierra]

won't

[trim valve]

secret stockfish mmio

[real sierra]

nuh

[rigid snow]

wink wink right?

[tender river]

please

[midnight sigil]

sql inject the competition score database

[sage crag]

can i bribe you to let us bribe you

[tender river]

i'll give neurobot a cookie

[sage crag]

not if i do it first

[stiff mica]

🍪 Om nom nom
You've given me 32 cookies! | I've received 243103 cookies total!

[real sierra]

if you can figure out an undocumented stockfish API, you can figure out a better way to get good moves

[tender river]

your cookie not valuable

32 cookies

[midnight sigil]

where konii 2.0.2

[sage crag]

my cookie highly valuable

[sage crag]

unneeded im perfect already

*no bugreports yet

[real sierra]

I have a bug report

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

wontfix

no bug reports

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

another day without bugs

[sage crag]

silksong has bugs

no silksong?

[tender river]

ye lots

[real sierra]

I'd like to report a bug where all bug reports are marked wontfix

[tender river]

wontfix

[sage crag]

hmmm im not aware of such a bug

havent experienced it

wontfix

[real sierra]

it's occurred to me that testing my API will require writing a chess bot

in every language

[sage crag]

wrong wrong wrong

[nocturne olive]

Time to learn C and C++ and Rust and Java and Kotlin and JS and ...

[sage crag]

write a chess bot builder

that writes the bots for you

[midnight sigil]

"Resolved: Won't Fix"

[sage crag]

make a super-language that transpiles to every other language

[real sierra]

if you write it, that super language can be hblang

[rigid snow]

so there's this thing called large language models

[rigid timber]

just ask ChatGPT to write a chess bot

[midnight sigil]

do it the programmer way

[sage crag]

im absolutely not doing that

[real sierra]

here comes LLMs writing chess bots again

we had this discussion

idk how good the code was tho

[sage crag]

banned for abusing hidden stockfish api

[midnight sigil]

it'll work, if done without machine learning but only algorithm wise

LLM can't do shits with machine learning code

they spit jargon

[rigid snow]

i'm confused

[real sierra]

that's because they're trained on people that can't do shit with machine learning code and just spit jargon

[rigid snow]

why not prompt llms to write bots if it's for testing the api

[real sierra]

I don't trust an LLM to write correct code for tests

if someone said "here's my tests, an LLM made them" I would fire them

[sage crag]

writing test code is one of the only uses for llms in production to be honest

[rigid snow]

well you should read it

[sage crag]

if you have a bunch of test cases though

[opaque sigil]

flat graphs are nice @sage crag

[sage crag]

not if you need specific tests

[rigid timber]

it's not abuse if it's intended (you have to have a special secret key to be able to call the stockfish api, you obtain the key by sending Shiro 50 bucks through paypal)

[midnight sigil]

just spam some stuff that would do as a normal player

or just simply stress test it

[sage crag]

not linear

[midnight sigil]

spam random stuff = test

[sage crag]

zoom out

smh non-linear hashmap

[real sierra]

I mean I needed a bot like this anyway I guess

I wanted to have a starter bot for each language

that makes random moves

[midnight sigil]

it'll be linear on a log graph

[sage crag]

input size is 2^x

[opaque sigil]

ignore the labels

it's 2^26

[sage crag]

ye

all i can confirm is that they have performance characteristics worse than log_2(x)

anything else is dwarfed by exponent

[opaque sigil]

idk what else to compare, i guess space per key would be one

[sage crag]

try uh

computational hashing problems

i cant think of any

[tender river]

sparse graphs

[opaque sigil]

atm i just generate however many random numbers i need, insert them all and then check how many of them are in there

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

there's technically deletion i should probably include somehow but eh

[real sierra]

read this as "computational heating problems"

[midnight sigil]

heat

🔥

[tender river]

deletion not always required whole other problem

[real sierra]

which instructions generate the most heat

[tender river]

simd probably

[opaque sigil]

probably avx-512

[rough bloom]

ye, AVX usually

[tender river]

mhm

[opaque sigil]

or the amx ones

[midnight sigil]

vectors vectors vectors

[real sierra]

solved problem no longer interested

[midnight sigil]

🔥

[opaque sigil]

i could test someone constantly inserting and deleting but in reality anyway would like dump a ton of keys at once and then check

since it's pretty much just a lookup table

[sage crag]

vectorisation is more power efficient on cpus that implement the instructions well

[midnight sigil]

🔥 🔥 🔥

[tender river]

cold

[opaque sigil]

hmm i don't like the new typing indicator position

idk what it is about it

[tender river]

used to be below chat bar

[midnight sigil]

new discord updatw?

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[midnight sigil]

I haven't update

[opaque sigil]

i miss the other new bar they had where it was inside

[rough bloom]

it's not fully solved
you may be able to generate even more heat by mixing AVX with some other workload that can be executed in parallel, probably through SMT

[opaque sigil]

too bad they scrapped that one

[hard raptor]

I was watching video about display and audio cables.. and somehow people (including the video creator) forget that DVI also carries audio

[tight tinsel]

issue?

i wonder what could be so offensive about a summary

[sage crag]

asked to summarise something bad

[tight tinsel]

article on the future of space travel has become bad

[hard raptor]

Like i have been using this very long DVI to HDMI cable with no audio cable to connect my media PC to my TV

[real sierra]

tv as PC posture

[real sierra]

question

nevermind

[rigid snow]

oh hi another ableton person in programming
i made something extra silly, look at my discord activity

[sage crag]

wontfix

[real sierra]

no wait

question

[sage crag]

ok

[rigid timber]

nuh-uh, you said nevermind

[hard raptor]

"Tweaking OTT"

[sage crag]

hey wait

https://asktoask.net/

[hard raptor]

Thing is doxxing your every activity

Every little knob turn

[rigid snow]

it picks the device i have a selected parameter on

[hard raptor]

It's pretty cool tho

[rigid snow]

that's the idea
anyways turns out they have python scripting for adapting midi controllers, here's the code https://github.com/mlntcandy/AbletonDiscordPresence

i just ignored the controller part

[hard raptor]

I know FL studio has that too

Don't know if it is that capable as ableton's implemention tho

[rigid snow]

oh fun part, no official docs, 0

[midnight sigil]

lua > py as a scripting language

[real sierra]

turbo based

and so true

[hard raptor]

As someone who maintains her own implementation of lua... i 100% disagree

[midnight sigil]

"when the square lead doesn't sound good, slap 100 OTTs"

[midnight sigil]

[real sierra]

memory management is painful

[hard raptor]

Handling lua objects is so incredibly annoying

[sage crag]

ye best scripting language c

[hard raptor]

Cuz they're all arrays

[real sierra]

I think the C API is gonna need a lot of convenience functions

[hard raptor]

Agree

[rigid snow]

in this case i can comment on that after looking at some implementations, i think the point is to have easy access to system apis which python has, their runtime is literally cpython

[sage crag]

actually i lied sorry

[real sierra]

because you lose so many tokens just doing stuff like tracking array len

[sage crag]

best scripting language hblang

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[tender river]

dont remind me of https://www.softintegration.com/

[sage crag]

ye sory

hblang

[tender river]

i forgive you

[hard raptor]

Oh interesting starts implementing it into next discord bot

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/ott-fl-studio-500-otts-azali-producing-gif-5749217014012906380

[real sierra]

the scratch intermediate representation must be a fire language

[hard raptor]

It's all json

[sage crag]

its json

just json

[real sierra]

perfect

what more could one want

[sage crag]

even the images

[real sierra]

sweet

[tender river]

tired reading papers all day

watching lectures and cooking next

i am in hell

[sage crag]

eat papers

watch foog

food

foog

[midnight sigil]

[hard raptor]

Turbowarp has a tool that can transpile the intermediate language back to JS

[midnight sigil]

compile

[sage crag]

into js

[sage crag]

its transpiling technically

[midnight sigil]

[tender river]

transpile compile same thing

[hard raptor]

"Friendship ended with typescript, now i write my js with scratch blocks"

[hard raptor]

Like i said in the message

[midnight sigil]

what did TS do

[sage crag]

no no machine code not language

not trust it

[hard raptor]

It failed at being like civet

[tender river]

fsshh

[hard raptor]

I need to work on ScratchOS v2

[sage crag]

nuerororororororororororororororo

flip

(super)

[real sierra]

do I make caller responsible for freeing everything

do I just have them put length in a separate var

[tender river]

why free if close

[sage crag]

yes

[lament igloo]

so based
(i havent touched lua)

[sage crag]

everyone experience manual memory management

or explode

well personally i wont be freeing any memory

virtual memory is infinite

[real sierra]

I probably need to give them functions for freeing particular structs if I don't give them a transparent struct

[sage crag]

ye

you will need to

[real sierra]

more API funcs

[sage crag]

flexibility

convenience

(for us)

[real sierra]

it may be easier to just reimplement the API in python instead of making python bindings

[sage crag]

(not for shr)

[sage crag]

bad slow

[tender river]

me explode

[real sierra]

don't make me manage memory in python

[sage crag]

do

[real sierra]

I literally cannot free an array in python

actually

can I just make a binding to free

where is that even stored

do I want to know

I guess it's CPython so

the C environment is already initialized

[sage crag]

what

you dont need

you dont use python array

[real sierra]

nono I mean

if a C function returns an array of pointers to structs

I can have a function for freeing the struct from its pointer

but what about the array

[sage crag]

hm why dont you just use the python module bindings

it exists in c

or if you want to use rust use pyo3

[real sierra]

do I want to use rust

[rough bloom]

export free from the C API
you don't have to worry about allocators then

[real sierra]

[rough bloom]

yes

[real sierra]

great

calling free in python

just what I wanted

[tender river]

gc languages have finalizers

dispose

[sage crag]

python has this

[rigid timber]

Rust has a few very nice chess crates that would simplify things a lot

[sage crag]

and if you use the cpython bindings

you could

just

[sage crag]

c also have these things to be fair

c has everything

[real sierra]

I want every language to have roughly the same API exposed to the end user

don't just wanna collect random chess packages for every language

[rigid timber]

you don't need to...

[sage crag]

means for the backend api implementation

rust's memory model is unfortunately not very compatible with other languages

[real sierra]

oh

[tender river]

[rigid timber]

fair tbh

[tender river]

just do c ffi

[rigid timber]

well you'd have to do that anyway bc Rust doesn't have its own stable ABI

[tender river]

mutable aliasing rules not enforced for pointers

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1375623285894807563/IMG_6849.gif

sherm cube disagree

[tender river]

sherm cube dont know rust

[sage crag]

@real sierra

does sherm cube know rust

[tender river]

@real sierra please this is important

[faint sandal]

YOU CAN NOW CHANGE FONT SIZE WITH CTRL+PLUS

[sage crag]

mod spam ping spam

keep mods distracted

then we can send another wave of mr beast bots

[real sierra]

sherm cube does not rust thanks to its high chromium content

[sage crag]

does sherm cube not rust or does it rust very fast

like aluminimum

aluminimumumum

aluminium

[real sierra]

[rigid timber]

sherm cube incompatible with Firefox

[sage crag]

sherm cube is an electron app

[rigid timber]

rewrite sherm cube as a Tauri app

[sage crag]

same thing

bad webview

[tender river]

aluminimum osu

[real sierra]

java spring app

[sage crag]

no

rewrite in dart

rewrite in

rewrite in hblang

[rigid timber]

nah, don't need to ship a whole dang chromium

[sage crag]

still use webview

[real sierra]

hblang Shiro cube

[sage crag]

badge

[real sierra]

impossible

hblang not strong enough

[sage crag]

you not strong enough

for hblang

[real sierra]

true...

[sage crag]

[rigid timber]

ngl better than most alternatives

[sage crag]

i'd rather use qt

or gtk

[real sierra]

qt

[real sierra]

arena is a gtk app that floods the terminal with warnings

I using it as the chess server

[rigid timber]

and willingly deal with C++?

[sage crag]

yes absolutely

[real sierra]

psychopatht

[sage crag]

c++ not bad if you arent doing osdev

[tender river]

i just remembered using qt

[real sierra]

c++ is a crime

D

[hollow spruce]

All seat are booked only support are only Available
(Imx 3d)

[tender river]

shiro you're literally a java dev

[sage crag]

ye ye shr

hypocrite

[real sierra]

java would be the perfect language if it had operator overloads

that's the only thing missing

[tender river]

surely

[hollow spruce]

Java

[sage crag]

ah yes

operator overloads

those really good things

that make languages better

[hollow spruce]

I should be get crime

[sage crag]

[lament igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[hollow spruce]

Npm
Pip
Include

[real sierra]

you can complain after you've tried doing vector math in java

[lament igloo]

ohh yeah random question, is there alternatives to chromedriver

[sage crag]

you can complain when i dont have to do the same thing in hblang

[real sierra]

a.add(b).sub(c).dot(d.unit().scale(5))

[sage crag]

operator not be function call

badge

[tender river]

you really used that example and not string equality

[hollow spruce]

Some one asked what dev are u

me :
Console.log("hello")

[sage crag]

ye

[hollow spruce]

Print("hello")

Lol

[real sierra]

equalsIgnoreCase

[lament igloo]

this is java?

[sage crag]

this is how all typical language that dont do operator overloads look

shr picked out the worst example on purpose

[hollow spruce]

My country has no government

[tender river]

look fine shiro skill issue

[real sierra]

I picked that example because I made a rendering engine in java once and it scarred me

[lament igloo]

i barely can read this oneliner, the () is making me crazy

[hollow spruce]

We kick out government

[real sierra]

[tender river]

nepal

[hollow spruce]

They ban social app and we kick government

[hollow spruce]

True

[real sierra]

uhhh

[tender river]

[lament igloo]

i fail to see what started this

[sage crag]

no rule 3 violation just stating history

[rigid snow]

my favorite rule

[sage crag]

awa

[hollow spruce]

I will transfer to india soo 🙂
Because vpm doesn't need but sacrifice tiktok

[tender river]

konii 1.0

[sage crag]

no no legacy feature

[lament igloo]

anyways, i got lazy on making a new warning box so i just did this instead

(its for my silly wiki page)

[hollow spruce]

Not vailed

[rigid snow]

(???)

[lament igloo]

well, it works

[hollow spruce]

Ure print
Undefined

[lament igloo]

what

[rigid snow]

am i having a stroke

[hollow spruce]

Node n.js

Is killed

[sage crag]

no

[noble zodiac]

no I dont think the stroke is on your side

[sage crag]

this person is english 5th language

its hard to understand

[lament igloo]

what do u guys think of cloudflare pages

[tender river]

i'd use neocities or gh pages

but cf pages is probably not bad just use what you want

[real sierra]

just use GitHub for everything

it's basically a hard drive

[rough bloom]

CF pages supports dynamic content through workers, not just static files
but if you have only static files you can just anything you want

[hollow spruce]

Im going out outside
Bye
( After seeing seen not vailed code ) Bye I will back Tommorow

[rough bloom]

also Pages is semi-deprecated in favor of Workers
(doesn't matter though, they're basically the same thing)

[lament igloo]

gh pages
needs 4 dns records to connect
cf pages
only needs one cname record

[lament igloo]

i have a lot of domains so this one cname record helps

oops wrong reply

[rough bloom]

[real sierra]

DNS? just store the IP and connect directly

[lament igloo]

i swear if pages turns into cf workers i cannot use their filesystem at all dawg

[lament igloo]

i meant connecting a domain and subdomain

[real sierra]

oh

too much work

all in one page

wasm app

[lament igloo]

i feel like neocities is a bit limited compared to cf pages
but the website there are dope, i wish i can design like that

[rough bloom]

hosting static files is really easy, it's the default setting
anything more gets a bit difficult and you're tied to CF worker APIs but just don't

[fast pagoda]

I hate pages and the way it resolves paths

[lament igloo]

that's crazy

[fast pagoda]

I don't want to use fuking Jekyll just to host a subfolder

Without the paths breaking

[lament igloo]

u mean / and ./ ?

[real sierra]

store website on ftp server

client can download it

[fast pagoda]

Totally broken if you have the page in a repo and it's meant to resolve to like gh.io/repo/page

[tender river]

pinephone headphone jack not working

mobile linux

[lament igloo]

i dont have one

[lament igloo]

ill just put ./ tbh
doesnt bother me much

[fast pagoda]

I had to add a js module to the subpages in a repo to specifically detect if it was on gh pages and fix the path resolution

If I didn't want to use Jekyll basically

[lament igloo]

thats.. weird

[real sierra]

are people going to want a rust chess api

[opaque sigil]

let them suffer

[lament igloo]

make it then turn it into a dll file somehow

[fast pagoda]

I put the path fixing script inside my main js and it didn't work because the path resolution to load the script itself was broken lmaooo

[real sierra]

I'll make a document saying what functionality the API is supposed to provide so people can implement language-specific versions themselves

I'm happy to crowdsource this part

[fast pagoda]

Without explicitly hard linking to it

You can get around it easily by just accounting for pages in the site structure but the pages deployment in this case is just meant to be a quick sanity check type thing since local server will resolve links that a static server might not for convenience

[sage crag]

they will figure it out themselves

[fast pagoda]

So I don't want to reconfigure the whole thing just for the pages

[sage crag]

if you can use rust you should be able to do c ffi

very easy

[real sierra]

I also need to figure out a nice token counter method

[sage crag]

write a simple tokeniser

[real sierra]

I'll probably just provide a script that you can use for token counting

it has to be language specific tho