programming

[rigid snow]

or some other heuristic shit idk

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

music related stuff seems to work

[olive sable]

its not specifically that it needs to be an artist channel

[rigid snow]

yeah

[olive sable]

cuz otherwise neuro would qualify

and i tried it

and it didnt work

you cant go from short to music, you need to go from short to youtube notation to yt music

[rigid snow]

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ENhfIeZF_AY podcast-y stuff also seems to work

[amber fractal]

Can confirm the not a music channel, as I grabbed a skit from someone who does music and only their music worked.

[rigid snow]

i think it's ai allowing content that's music related, my youtube music recommended is literally all production content

not music

[real sierra]

downloaded the UCI spec

filename has a (1) after it

wtf is this notepad formatting

[amber fractal]

Didn't get tricked with a music based meme so either it is good or we need another theory.

[rigid snow]

i have a music based meme in recommended but can't share because rule 3

[amber fractal]

That checks out

I have one thing I can test

On the music side, I have this https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=jXFsBapXZ0g

[faint sandal]

chat what do you think of this article as a regular end-user

https://www.huntress.com/blog/rare-look-inside-attacker-operation

I wanna see what most normal users think

[sage crag]

nyaaaaaaa

[olive sable]

first of all i think their formatting looks a bit odd

havign the 3rd author on a newline for no reason bothers me

[faint sandal]

that aside

[olive sable]

the image is higher than the title

[faint sandal]

I'm talking about the content

[olive sable]

ah

ok

[faint sandal]

I'm not affiliated with this company

[olive sable]

first part, i dont like EDR spying on me

[faint sandal]

I'm more so asking what do you think about the data presented here assuming your company installed the EDR on your endpoint at work

[real sierra]

host your own instance, this was always a risk with third-party appliances

[faint sandal]

we're talking strictly work devices here and not your personal one

[real sierra]

how many data spills have happened now that are attributable to unwanted third-party data access

how many more need to happen for people to learn this lesson

[faint sandal]

on-prem access is not necessarily always available for all EDR providers but assume it is in this case

[olive sable]

this is a lot of reading

gimme amin

i like how to article doesn't shy away from mentioning competing products

like malwarebytes and bitdefender

[real sierra]

sam why did i sign up for this

[olive sable]

idk

dont ask me

[real sierra]

this is the best source i can find for what i need https://youtu.be/D4DBE4UQoAY

this microphone

[olive sable]

the start of the sebastion lague video also shows some chess logic

[real sierra]

its nothing bot related im looking for right now

i need to make boilerplate for the engine to communicate to the chess server

and i want to make a wrapper for it that people can use

but theres nothing other than this cursed spec to go off

[olive sable]

what chess server u using?

[real sierra]

arena

seemed a good option and i got it working

it has the features im looking for

now i can load up any bot that can communicate with UCI

so i just need to make a wrapper around UCI that abstracts the protocol away a bit and then we're good to go

[amber fractal]

I'm surprised I'm the only one who voted for that one

[olive sable]

honesltly i cant be bothered to read the whole thing. the google translate stuff and browser activity is wild tho

[amber fractal]

I finished reading and it had conflicting tones between a diary and a research paper.

Made it hard to focus on the actual content

[faint sandal]

it is weirdly unprofessional from my point of view

it felt like they couldn't decide if this was a personal blog or a corporate one

[olive sable]

oh that was supposed to be corporate?

it felt like a guy making an article while trying to be professional

or well, 3 guys i guess, 3 authers

[sage crag]

phrrr

[real sierra]

konii

perfect timing

[olive sable]

phrrr?

[real sierra]

ive learned an unfortunate quirk about UCI

single threading

im thinking if i do have to multi-thread it

[olive sable]

i guess async is possible too?

[real sierra]

it may make more sense for the entry point to be a wrapper i write

and then have the wrapper call the chess bot

and supply an interface to it

then the wrapper can run it in a child thread

ill prob still require chess bots be single-threaded, but it means i need to make sure the environment is ok with multi-threading

[hollow spruce]

Sh aways failed

Crypto hacker 😂
Littery they hack npm again

[real sierra]

i dont always fail

[hollow spruce]

Discord bot failed
Pacman -Syu aways failed
My network FAILED has ####

[real sierra]

python users, are there particular versions that you prefer using, or is the latest stable release always fine

[amber fractal]

3.12 because some people don't update deps

My personal projects are on 3.13 as I can handle that myself

[wide flicker]

yeah I'm also currently using 3.12

[real sierra]

3.12

[olive sable]

ive had a time the min version for a rep was 3.13 and the max for another was 3.12

i ended up manually modifying the one that needed 3.13 to work correctly on 3.12

it wasnt a full incompatebility, there was just a bug that they fixed in the 3.13 version and i needed it gone in 3.12

[amber fractal]

I know exactly what project this is

[olive sable]

this was for the game-jam last year yep

[amber fractal]

Python Game engine web port

Called it

[olive sable]

that was not my best work

but now im doing vulkan so its not my worst

[amber fractal]

That turn of events caused me to end up joining you

[olive sable]

im trying to type attrib but it constantly changes to VkPhysicalDeviceVertexAttributeDivisorFeatures

[amber fractal]

This is one of the reasons I don't have any autocomplete

[olive sable]

fair

[amber fractal]

It legit has a 100% chance of getting in my way instead of being useful

Wiping system because I muderized nixpkgs by letting the battery die while updating. Let's hope the config I switches to actually functions.

[real sierra]

i think i screwed it all up

10gb was way too small of an install drive

new vm

[amber fractal]

Windows allows itself to be installed on 16GB

[real sierra]

ideally i only need to remake the system drive

[olive sable]

me when i install windows on ram only

no ssd

[real sierra]

the second storage drive i actually put everything on should be fine

[amber fractal]

I should post the image I have so someone can try and do a ramfs large enough to hold it.

[olive sable]

surely 64gb is enough. altho i have no clue how to do an os install on ram only

[amber fractal]

I'd want to do some more disk cloning as the used storage is a lot smaller than what windows allowed itself to be installed on.

[real sierra]

time to install labubu again

[amber fractal]

I'd think VM with the image in RAM

After I find where this win11 image I'll let you know after I remove some apps.

[olive sable]

dont bother, i myself wont be trying it out

[amber fractal]

I needed to do it anyways

I know the FS that is one is getting wiped so I need to move it off

[real sierra]

turn all of ram into a ramdisk for the OS and then use a pagefile for all your ram

[olive sable]

what is an ssd but jsut more ram?

[real sierra]

well wait

if your os is on a ramdisk

then the pagefile is on ram too

so its probably wicked fast

[olive sable]

me wehn i put my puter in sleepmode and everything gets moved from ram to the pagefile, that is also in ram

so when i turn it back on the os wil be gone

[amber fractal]

That fits on a ramdisk 💯

I so badly want to shrink that C drive some more

7GB C: would be funny as frick

(this has edge removed and firefox installed, it was never opened as I commandline installed firefox)

[olive sable]

im trying to do dynamic objectlaoding now in vulkan instead of only 1 tutel, and the code is not pretty.

its not done yet but give it some time

[amber fractal]

Is windows installing updates to the D drive? I have no files here

[olive sable]

i guess look for hidden files?

[amber fractal]

True

[olive sable]

windows always doing some weird shit

[amber fractal]

nope still nothing

[olive sable]

well then i dont know

[real sierra]

windows just kinda does random bs under the hood and i really admire that

it's the pinnacle of spaghetti

[amber fractal]

classic automod

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

This isn't tiny11 I debloated this myself

[real sierra]

you reduced the size of that yourself

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

$ which gcc

$

ok

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

guess we're really installing everything huh

[sage crag]

g cc

nixos in vm

[real sierra]

forget gcc my c is gg

[sage crag]

nixos is good

in vm

[real sierra]

too late

[fast pagoda]

garuda arch has a "nix subsystem" that i havent bothered to try

tfw nix got wsl'd from linux

[real sierra]

lubuntu update has decided to fetch a 577 mb package

-1 year

[amber fractal]

Any time I do nixos in a vm it is slow as balls with the UI

[fast pagoda]

why is it so slow

[real sierra]

god only knows

[fast pagoda]

is that a repo issue

[real sierra]

probably

[olive sable]

577mb shoudl be downloaded in less than a minute

[real sierra]

its just this one thats so slow

[olive sable]

KB

[fast pagoda]

for some reason when i get an update to one of my packages i think it's like a google font package or something, it downloads SOOOOO slowly but only that one

[real sierra]

mirror held together by gorilla glue]

[olive sable]

]

[amber fractal]

"nix subsystem", probably just installing nix on arch as well as configuring for opengl/vulkan

[fast pagoda]

probably

i am too afraid of it ruining everything to try it

could do a snap but eh

well, it'd auto do a snap

[amber fractal]

I regretted installing the google-fonts package on my system

[fast pagoda]

but that's so much work redoing id have to do literally 2 things

[amber fractal]

It was fast, but also it was heavy

[real sierra]

funyun

[fast pagoda]

what's poppin

[real sierra]

have you heard what im putting together

[fast pagoda]

i have not unless it's the chess thing

[real sierra]

it is i take it you're not interested

[fast pagoda]

ive been making a stupid man page browser thing so i can load them in my browser instead of terminal

[fast pagoda]

no i mean it sounds cool i just know almost nothing about it

other than that it requires c bindings

[real sierra]

i also know nothing about it

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

[real sierra]

i figured putting myself in a position where that knowledge is load-bearing is a great way to learn

now i get to pretend to be an expert on something i know nothing about

and everyone else gets to learn too

[amber fractal]

Besides the others plotting to get Elyvn to be a viable candidate I got no idea.

[fast pagoda]

what is the concept of this chess thing

[sage crag]

load bearing bones are the bones you need to not become jelly

[real sierra]

concept:

[fast pagoda]

chess

[real sierra]

participants each make a chess bot

[sage crag]

i will take them

[real sierra]

chess bots fight

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

determine strongest bot

[sage crag]

ye if elvyn want to participate she have to write her own bot

[real sierra]

some limitations added to keep things interesting

[sage crag]

probably with quack

[fast pagoda]

and these bots i imagine aren't meant to be hooked up to stockfish

[real sierra]

no network connections, and max token limit on the source

so stockfish should be off the table

the bar is not to make an engine that can beat stockfish anyway

[fast pagoda]

imma fine tune the shittest 1B llm on only chess moves

[real sierra]

you only have to beat the other submissions

[amber fractal]

If I join I'll have to probably break a couple rules due to not having direct conversions of some metrics

[fast pagoda]

can it run like https://github.com/mlc-ai/web-llm with an llm as its "chess engine" (bad)

[real sierra]

(still waiting btw)

[olive sable]

im trying to make the old vulkan system work with the new model so i have to pass bufferManager.testmodel.primitiveDataList[0].indices.size() to my framemanager

[real sierra]

you probably can't squeeze an LLM in

the token limit is intended to be quite low

probably below 10k

[amber fractal]

Dedicated LLM could work

let me do some math rq

[real sierra]

neural networks have been squeezed down this small

but idk about llms

[fast pagoda]

if it loads the weights from a separate file does the .safetensors or whatever it would be count towards the length limit

[amber fractal]

If someone does a text input of a 8x8 grid with 7 states, then you got 22 turns

[real sierra]

submissions must be one source file

[fast pagoda]

i like how the latest man2html uses http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/man2html.html every time it renders a manpage that it links like this at the bottom of every one

and that link is so ancient (pre-2003)

[amber fractal]

This is assuming ASCII chess with a delim

[fast pagoda]

damn, well it sounds fun so i'd need to see the interface and do some

[real sierra]

i would encourage you to give it a shot and submit something

[fast pagoda]

i haven't ever considered how i'd do anything liek a chess engine before so it'd be something way new

[real sierra]

i dont think anyone here has any experience with this, so doing even a little better than random moves will make you a strong contender

ill have a proper github page for all this ready when i have it all put together

[amber fractal]

-# ignoring the fact you can just use play by play to completely break the limit.

[fast pagoda]

i have no life so ill probably see it but ping me when you have the specs, in the meantime i'll drool on my keyboard and thonk

came to find out thru rendering this page with every manpage that's able to be found in any directory on my root drive

i have over 25,000 man pages on system apparently?

that's a lotta manual

[real sierra]

it just finished

and now a 42MB package

[fast pagoda]

my system has been up for almost 3 days now because this php import is STILL going

it has to be so close

but i just ran my first update

70 packages w/ updates

honestly not as bad as i expected

[amber fractal]

If an LLM is stateless already and caching is useless at this scale, why not just do a play by play and keep resetting the context window.

[fast pagoda]

yeah the llm would be tiny anyways so likely unable to handle more than a couple moves regardless of whether or not you give it them in the context

it'd have to work off the current board state only i think

maybe a move or 2 back

because it would be so dumb

[amber fractal]

With 10k tokens, you got more than enough

even with 1k you have 15 past moves. (I misdid the other one)

And that is assuming char level tokenizing

8x8 board + delim

[real sierra]

programmers

i hope your coding is going well

[fast pagoda]

when we're talking tokens here i'm trying to comprehend if you're talking like, 10k tokens as in the length of the source file

or

10k tokens for teh chess game

in text for moves

[amber fractal]

Fair question

[real sierra]

10k token source file

as in, after the lexer turns your source code into tokens, there must be at most 10k tokens

[fast pagoda]

thats what i thought but iggly made me doubt

[real sierra]

though i will probably aim toward the lower end of that bound

1k might be a more reasonable working amount

but i may bump that up a little

still mulling it over

[fast pagoda]

so like a keyword is a token, a literal is a token etc after that yeah

in general

10k is a long boi

[real sierra]

int myvar = 1;

==>
["int", "myvar", "=", "1", ";"]

[fast pagoda]

ye that's what i expected ok cool

[amber fractal]

Python has the advantage due to no semicolons or brackets, noted

[olive sable]

im getting an error

If the parameters define an export operation and the handle type is not VK_EXTERNAL_MEMORY_HANDLE_TYPE_ANDROID_HARDWARE_BUFFER_BIT_ANDROID , allocationSize must be greater than 0

but now im wonderimg why android gets a free pass on allocating 0 memory

[fast pagoda]

keyword/identifier/operator/literal/separator and/or punctuation all 1 token each

coo coo coo

[real sierra]

but it's slower than C as well, so it's up to you to decide if the tradeoff is worthwhile

the answer is probably going to end up being "use the language you know best"

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

scratch expert

[olive sable]

in c++ the brackets are more like a suggestion these days i think

but ye there is more syntax spaghetti

[amber fractal]

The only one source file is going to be tough, Surely I can port to not numpy.

[olive sable]

would a single scratch block count as a token?

[fast pagoda]

i was gonna ask that lmfao

but then i figured it probably is like

60289753329184798 somehow

[olive sable]

scratch block still need some typed in numbers here and there so i guess not

[fast pagoda]

well they have to be converted into whatever the intermediate is for scratch before compiler

and that's where the token count would happen i imagine

[amber fractal]

one for block and one for each value, this is balance because scratch doesn't implement enough basic math

[fast pagoda]

i actually have no idea how scratch actually functions

it lego

[amber fractal]

compile to JS IIRC

[fast pagoda]

oh

that makes sense and is boring

i have crafted my magnum opus
svg vitruvian man with weird proportions as an icon

[amber fractal]

If I could manage to actually finish my lib, I could see myself going for the train on stockfish approach.

[real sierra]

honestly?

if you somehow

fit a scratch vm into the token limit

i would be super impressed

regardless of actual chess performance

[fast pagoda]

load scratch vm

[amber fractal]

As I could probably get it into the 10k token requirement with ease.

[fast pagoda]

instantly just surrender

[amber fractal]

ggs wp

[real sierra]

if you think about it, you can go through the entire tournament without losing a single piece with this strategy

?

[fast pagoda]

there's actually no shot an llm is fitting in this 10k limit at least not using something like llamafile

1b llama's llama file is like 250 million tokens since it's a gigabyte

well i mean the actual cpp part of it wouldnt be that long

but like

you have to fit the llm in the single file

which is like a binary

[amber fractal]

I just realized a cursed method for multi language

Submit a bash file

[real sierra]

?

im all e-

how is that multi language

thats single language

[amber fractal]

buildscript++

[real sierra]

i cant wait to get insightful submissions like apt-get install stockfish; stockfish and sudo rm -rf

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

[amber fractal]

I was going with pasting strings into compilation software but that is more funny

[fast pagoda]

i will submit a single file and it'll be dont_look_at_my_size.cpp with a massive 1gb llm's binary embedded in the file

and since the binary isn't technically tokens it doesnt count :^)

not as far as a lexer is concerned

[real sierra]

submission name: zipbomb.tar.gz
submission comment: my chess bot is inside its just zipped to keep it small

[fast pagoda]

actually is a .rar with the recent path traversal cve

[real sierra]

and thats why its all being run in a vm

[fast pagoda]

"hey guys that vm was set to autoscale why is the instance costing $20/hr?"

[amber fractal]

Another approach to building and having source code in one place is that the bash string is only one token.

[fast pagoda]

well one day i'll be able to say this import finished and then ill be able to do anything else that might require me to ever restart my pc, update anything, or use all the resources i have

but that's not quite yet apparently

it's finally larger than the .xml export itself was

idk how much "compression" the xml dump achieves but it cant be THAT much

almost 3 days

ram use continuing to increase like a boss

surely it'll be done soon

i just want to reboot

[real sierra]

this is my first time building python from source

i gave it two threads and its in a vm

should i let it run overnight or will it be done within an hour

[amber fractal]

Does the python interpreter count for the token limit for chess source files?

[fast pagoda]

i would expect CPython to build in like 15 mins

but idk about how long with 2 threads

[olive sable]

i have the vertex and indexbuffers working on the new system

[real sierra]

by "tokens", i mean the tokenized source code that you have submitted

[olive sable]

now i need to get the textureloading on there too

[fast pagoda]

lmao these models just in space get me

i wish he were spinning though

[olive sable]

he is

but im not recording

[fast pagoda]

damn

[real sierra]

you will be given an interface of some kind that lets you interact with the chess board, and then your bot just uses that to decide and make moves

[fast pagoda]

when u hit a lick

[real sierra]

that part is what you write, and only that part counts toward your token limit

the language's standard library and the chess board interface are free

[fast pagoda]

if my language has an interpreter to run does that count

you kinda implied that with scratch vm thing

[real sierra]

i said the scratch vm thing because i dont intend to add support for scratch

[fast pagoda]

am i tryna fit the jvm in this 10k tokens cuz it's over

oh

[amber fractal]

That was my reason for asking yep

[real sierra]

i'll try to support a few common languages at least, but i have to implement the chess api myself for each language i plan to support

point being i wont support all of them

i welcome requests for language support if it seems easy enough, atm i plan to at least support c and python

[amber fractal]

I'm sure the scratch folks will build out their own API

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

python can just use the c api probably, but stuff like rust will be more difficult ye

[fast pagoda]

doesnt rust have a C api

[real sierra]

yeah the C api will be public, so if you can create bindings from your language to that, i'm happy to make those bindings official and remove them from having to be included in the submission

[amber fractal]

Turbowarp and some other forks have web requests IIRC

[real sierra]

sorry python users

i built python before installing zlib or lzma

no compression in stdlib for you

[fast pagoda]

is it already done?

i just started building it because i was curious lol

to see how long it would run for

[real sierra]

looks like it

[fast pagoda]

ez

[real sierra]

that was quick

im honestly surprised it worked

i had no idea what i was doing

sweet

[fast pagoda]

not having zlib and lzma might be like

unusable

try using pip

that would kill gzip and zipfile without deflate, no

[real sierra]

nobody is using pip

one of the first rules of the contest is stdlib only

[fast pagoda]

i am, i need it to install my cryptominers

[real sierra]

nope

[fast pagoda]

dammit

[real sierra]

fit your cryptominers in 1024 tokens

otherwise im not interested

[olive sable]

pip uninstall pip

[real sierra]

also rule 2 is no network connection so unless you're donating that crypto

[fast pagoda]

as long as it never needs to read a png or use any sort of web traffic that gets compressed for the interaction with the game ig

[real sierra]

it shouldn't do

the interface is text-based, and that's being handled in c anyway

[fast pagoda]

no tar.gz or anything either which makes obfuscating infostealers harder this is impossible

[real sierra]

...though.

i dont know if python pickles anything when interacting with C

does the pickle protocol have compression

its weird as hell

[glad path]

"linux tip no.1 - remove french language pack" sudo rm -fr

[fast pagoda]

as something of a .pt myself

[glad path]

what is so bad about pip

[fast pagoda]

no pickle is not a compression thing

it's serialization

[real sierra]

that wasnt the question

does it compress objects before (or after) it serializes them

[fast pagoda]

you can compress it after which is very common

no it just takes the object and serializes the raw object

[real sierra]

ok thatrs fine then

[fast pagoda]

youll usually see a pickle.dump being wrapped with gzip

or similar

[amber fractal]

Comp rules, std only and no network

[glad path]

its fine for me most of the time

should i use pipx or something instead

[amber fractal]

Alright, time to build Hy-

We love relying on the filesystem when it changes for paths

Once again, time to build Hyprland

After I install 13GB of other files

I'm sure I'll be installing more as my system and home packages are split

[fast pagoda]

well i didn't disable tests in this python build so it's over

the tests are taking longer than the actual build did

[amber fractal]

I see that building xwayland

[fast pagoda]

at least they seem to disable the tests that would take time by default but doesnt that defeat the purpose of running iwth the whole test suite which im pretty sure i did lol

[fast pagoda]

we love making u still use xorg without saying anything

[amber fractal]

I probably have apps that need it

[fast pagoda]

i have it, idk what runs it and dont care enough to find out as long as stuff works

i like the name of the extensions

[amber fractal]

Also man every time I look at the gnome installer I am reminded on why I didn't choose it

[fast pagoda]

DAMAGE

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

ive tried to gnome a few times

i just cant do it

i end up installing 4189374519847129837198 extensions to make it work like kde or something

[amber fractal]

YOUR-MOM.DOUBLE-BUFFER

[fast pagoda]

which at that point might as well just use kde or anything else

[fast pagoda]

she's a BIG-REQUEST alright

[olive sable]

that BIG-REQUEST will leave some DAMAGE

[fast pagoda]

yo momma so fat i have to call BIG-REQUESTS to have a chance of her loading

emotional DAMAGE or something

that's a big cursor

[olive sable]

cursor caught in 4K

[fast pagoda]

it says the entire screen #0 is the same dimensions

so in case i ever wanted my cursor to fill the entire screen ig

idk what that is trying to refer to necessarily

[amber fractal]

Your mom has to be double buffered,
a composite if you will
she is a big request-
that's a lot of damage!

[fast pagoda]

now i want to see what other xwayland/xorg extensions are called

ok python how long u need to test sockets

[amber fractal]

Alrighty, hyprland actually complied this time

So that is an improvement

now to get the rest working

[fast pagoda]

yeah i mean that's the best running hyprland ever if it managed to compile

even if u havent ran it yet

as an nvidia boi ive not had hyprland cooperate very well for more than a short amount of time

[amber fractal]

I don't have the knowledge to fix whatever the build process on nix is smoking

I'm just glad it works

sometimes

[fast pagoda]

it's smoking that pack (nixpkgs)

[amber fractal]

Yeep

Time for the usual commandline before I get everything else installed

[fast pagoda]

python at the end of the build said it can't compile ssl because i dont have at least openSSL 1.1.1 installed

scared me a bit

k python whatever brah

so i guess even if there was zlib and lzma installed there's no guarantee their crappy build script will use it

[amber fractal]

I should have transfered some of the botch fixes I did

Need to remount a few of these file systems

[fast pagoda]

i finally broke down and put a repo up with a shell script that remounts my drives and adds it to fstab so i dont have to do it every time i reinstall which can be frequent if im feeling extra stupid

who needs nixos when you can have a fragile bash script that makes a bunch of assumptions

not me

[real sierra]

have to come up with all the functions I want in the chess API

and then figure out how that interface is gonna work

[fast pagoda]

i wrote a whole example of using pickle with compression on a base64 encoded server uri, as a joke, and then didnt post it because it seemed too close to something actual malware might use
and it's all your fault

[amber fractal]

I'd elp with that but I'm busy atm

I'm probably not joining

[real sierra]

honestly the setup for this tournament is going quicker than I thought

it doesn't actually seem too hard

[fast pagoda]

concept is easy enough

[olive sable]

i guess you only really need a getBoardState() and move(endposition)

[real sierra]

well I'm gonna provide a little more than that

getLegalMoves() for example

there's lots of boiler plate like that where it's basically always done the same way and is essential to a bot

so I don't plan to make everyone implement all that as part of their token limit

[fast pagoda]

token savings

[amber fractal]

Would a getPastMoves() exist?

[fast pagoda]

[real sierra]

I think it could exist, given how board objects will work

you'll be able to make and undo moves on your local copy of the board

[fast pagoda]

getPastMoves() but for the entire tournament so i can quickly train a small nn from scratch on all the moves previous and use that each turn

[real sierra]

so I think they'll inherently have a move history

[olive sable]

theorethically, would we be able to see the sourcecode for stuff like getLegalMoves() or do we just go in blind?

[amber fractal]

I'd hope that it is in chess notation

[real sierra]

sure, I'll happily make that part of the backend public

[olive sable]

it would save tokencount but if there is a timelimit doing it yourself might be faster

idk yet tho

[real sierra]

there will be some documentation for it too, to make it easier for people to write similar interfaces for their languages of choice

[fast pagoda]

use 9000 of your 10000 tokens rewriting all of the api functions in rust because you literally cannot fathom not rewriting everything in rust

[real sierra]

I've thought more about how it'll work tho, and it may be more work to write a custom language implementation than just wrapping the c implementation with some bindings

[olive sable]

btw how do you see how many tokens you're at?

[real sierra]

good question

I haven't figured that part out yet but I'm sure there's ways

find a lexer for your language

[fast pagoda]

i figured this was the plan
every lang has c interaction of some kind anyways

[glass flower]

just write a C api and every language can write for it

[real sierra]

it's awkward because I think for C, it would be easier for the interface to just import your code and call some run function in it

[fast pagoda]

yes please execute the arbitrary code

[real sierra]

it's very awkward where the interface sits

there's kinda two parts to it

there's the part that provides definition and convenience functions for working with boards and moves

and there's the part that communicates with the chess server via UCI and mediates those commands with the chess bot

[amber fractal]

If I were to do this, I'd probably be building out the full stack myself. Just because I'd need to for training.

[real sierra]

the latter needs its own thread which complicated things

[olive sable]

i tried to google it but i didnt really find much

ill leave the tokenizing to someone else

[real sierra]

I'll provide some info on how I'll check your token count per-language

I don't expect people to submit blindly

will be in the detailed info

[fast pagoda]

#programming message

[olive sable]

yes i know what a lexer is

but i need to find one

i think i found one actually

[fast pagoda]

logos

[olive sable]

case 'a':
case 'b':
case 'c':
case 'd':
case 'e':
case 'f':
case 'g':
case 'h':
case 'i':
case 'j':
case 'k':
case 'l':
case 'm':
case 'n':
case 'o':
case 'p':
case 'q':
case 'r':
case 's':
case 't':
case 'u':
case 'v':
case 'w':
case 'x':

so each charachter of a string or a number is a seperate token?

the number 800 is 3 tokens?

[fast pagoda]

no the int 800 would be a token

a lexer doing character level tokenization would be goofy for a lexer in a compiler since the point is that the parser doesnt have to deal with every character in the source

it's like the prep chef that cuts all the shit up so the actual chef doesnt have to start from the raw ingredients because that would take forever

[olive sable]

well then the lexer code i found is shit

[fast pagoda]

it's meant to abstract things a bit not make them worse

[olive sable]

unless its only checks the firrst digit of the token

[fast pagoda]

that thing you posted i could only imagine is some sort of extremely verbose and poorly conceived check to see if a character is a letter so they can further see if it's like a variable name or something idk

are you sure that's not yandev

yandev is the master of the ultra switch statement

[olive sable]

no, the problem with yandev iirc was a lack of switch statements

that must be recent code

[fast pagoda]

idk what i just posted is literally from yandere simulator from 5 years ago

[olive sable]

5 years ago is recent code in terms of yandev

[olive sable]

also wtf are these attributes that the studentWitnessType has??????????????

[fast pagoda]

human readable

[olive sable]

the updateLabel seems to constantly use the same numbers so that should probably just get built in as standart setting

[fast pagoda]

i didnt actually care about it when it was a big thing and you are right the switches were a replacement for the infinitely nested else if statements i guess

wew

[olive sable]

yep

from what i heard a publisher wanted to fix the game up but yandev wouldnt let them fix his code

too much pride i guess

[fast pagoda]

the first thing i wrote myself was a python blackjack that did something of the sort just using only if/else cases

in like 2010

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

i have nightmares about it

[olive sable]

bro was playing python balckjack while i was 3

[fast pagoda]

it's actually the reason i stopped programming entirely for years

and only restarted in the last few years

i was like how can people do thjis

this is blackjack and it was getting too hard to mentally conceive of what was happening in all those cases

i would've been like 13-14 whenever this occurred so i use the excuse that i was literally a baby toddler

[amber fractal]

I locked myself out of the stable version, yikes

Back to iso I go

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

blessed file length

[amber fractal]

Okay, at least nofail is doing me favors

Back to iso, I need to regerate this. I forgor to mount the home partion

[fast pagoda]

you dont need that it's fine

[amber fractal]

Well none of my user partions are loading, so preferably I'd be fixing that

At least it isn't wiped

[opaque sigil]

I'm lazy so I just use disko to mount everything in one go when I need it

[amber fractal]

I found setting up disko to be a pain

[fast pagoda]

looks like a fancy fstab

[opaque sigil]

It's not that baaaad

And yeah that's essentially what it is

[fast pagoda]

they have an incredible marketing graphic

[olive sable]

a destructor cant have parammeters

[opaque sigil]

Well yeah, make it a normal function lol

How do you pass arguments for something that runs automatically

[fast pagoda]

why woud you use parameters for a destroyer

it only knows how to use lazers and rockets

but it doesnt need u for that

[olive sable]

you make a lot of sense, but vulkan needs me to pass the device to free the memory

[amber fractal]

I'll just not mount those two, as they really should not be btfrs because I didn't bother to subvolume them. (I was very new to it when I made them)

[amber fractal]

hardcode the device

[olive sable]

no

i do find it funny how im basicy passing VkDevice device to almost every single function in this engine

the vulakn tutorial has everything in a single class so not a problem for them since its a class variable, but i dont

[amber fractal]

Invest

[olive sable]

including the 2 volk files i have 19 files of code

[olive sable]

wdym?

[amber fractal]

I'd just make it a class var at this point, it seems like it belongs there

[fast pagoda]

the primitiveData needs a destructor defined the class then when you call destroyAll on it it should already have the device reference handled because it's in the class

[olive sable]

i cant just make it a class variable of every single class tho? or should i?

PrimitiveData looks liek this btw

struct PrimitiveData
{
    std::vector<Vertex> vertices;
    VkBuffer vertexBuffer;
    VkDeviceMemory vertexBufferMemory;

    std::vector<uint32_t> indices;
    VkBuffer indexBuffer;
    VkDeviceMemory indexBufferMemory;

    VkImage textureImage;
    VkDeviceMemory textureImageMemory;
    VkImageView textureImageView;
    VkSampler textureSampler;
};
struct AttribDatta
{
    const unsigned char* dataPtr;
    int stride;
};

[tender river]

maybe i'm not gonna backread that

[olive sable]

its mostly chess stuff and whatever else happened

[fast pagoda]

ya so you just move the destructor into that under

    VkSampler textureSampler;

and put all the cleanups there in the class

[olive sable]

[tender river]

i did anyway wasnt even hard

[olive sable]

struct PrimitiveData
{
    ...
    VkImageView textureImageView;
    VkSampler textureSampler;

    void destroyTexture(VkDevice device)
    {
        vkDestroySampler(device, textureSampler, nullptr);
        vkDestroyImageView(device, textureImageView, nullptr);
        vkDestroyImage(device, textureImage, nullptr);
        vkFreeMemory(device, textureImageMemory, nullptr);
    }
    void destroyVertexBuffers(VkDevice device)
    {
        vkDestroyBuffer(device, indexBuffer, nullptr);
        vkFreeMemory(device, indexBufferMemory, nullptr);
        vkDestroyBuffer(device, vertexBuffer, nullptr);
        vkFreeMemory(device, vertexBufferMemory, nullptr);
    }
};

like this?

[fast pagoda]

it was a whole lotta speculation of how best to destroy shiro's computer

[olive sable]

i see a lot of typing happening

[fast pagoda]

i fucking hate formatting a block of shit in discord

[tender river]

option 1: make texture/vbuf object contain device pointer
option 2: just dont use raii
option 3: make a custom smart pointer that wraps a texture/vbuf with the owning device (similar to 1 but different indirection wise)
option 4: singleton

[fast pagoda]

struct PrimitiveData
{
   ...
   ~PrimitiveData() {
  
        vkDestroySampler(device, textureSampler, nullptr);
        vkDestroyImageView(device, textureImageView, nullptr);
        vkDestroyImage(device, textureImage, nullptr);
        vkFreeMemory(device, textureImageMemory, nullptr);

        vkDestroyBuffer(device, indexBuffer, nullptr);
        vkFreeMemory(device, indexBufferMemory, nullptr);
        vkDestroyBuffer(device, vertexBuffer, nullptr);
        vkFreeMemory(device, vertexBufferMemory, nullptr);
  }
};

whatever this comes out looking like i copied the classes from ur codeblock and it hated me

[fast pagoda]

it's the same as any destructor using the ~className(); syntax in the definition https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/cpp/destructors-c/

then it's just tied to the object lifetime

and blows it up when the object is out of scope

automatically

[olive sable]

i already dont do raii mostly, i thought it might be handy for game objects tho

[real sierra]

ahhhhhhhhhhhh

my head

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[real sierra]

ive been writing this single markdown page for like

hours

[olive sable]

imagine writing markdown

[fast pagoda]

do what i do and format it like total ass, let markdownlint underline the entire document

and then slightly add some parts of the md to it so it knows what you're going for

autoformat

[real sierra]

its too late its basically done

which is terrible

because it means i have to do the coding part now

[fast pagoda]

is so cute lol

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

this page is so long

i feel like it needs subway surfers in the corner

[fast pagoda]

lmao

add gamba mechanics

[olive sable]

have you considered making it shorter

[fast pagoda]

pull SSR+ .md version and you get all the info

common gets like 1 paragraph

[olive sable]

lett gemini write it and just edit what needs to be changed

nah actually, make gemini edit it

minmaxing

[fast pagoda]

that's how you get a shitload of emojis added to your md

[olive sable]

"remove the emoji's" boom fixed

[fast pagoda]

every time ive given up on life and had an llm write a readme or something i feel like i've spent more time un-slopifying it than i would've just writing it myself

can't stand how they write them

[olive sable]

jsut dont unslopify it then

[fast pagoda]

if the README of all things is turboslop then i dont know how anyone could trust the content of the project

[olive sable]

"write it like a 15th century esteemed noble"

[fast pagoda]

you might be on to something

refactor this codebase like a 15th century esteemed noble

[olive sable]

i know its my own joke but that made me laugh out loud to ther point im lightheaded

[fast pagoda]

laughing like a 15th century esteemed noble

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

ok

my head is splitting

i need to put this down

[olive sable]

[real sierra]

im so brain fried

today was good progress

[olive sable]

shiro how late is it for you rn?

[real sierra]

made the github, made the readme, set up the vm, installed arena, built python, installed c build tools

[real sierra]

2am

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

chess engine like a 15th century esteemed noble

[olive sable]

worklife balance is not balanced, its almost vertical

[real sierra]

this is how i am with projects

[fast pagoda]

i like how they just hadnt invented perspective techniques yet back in the day so they just didnt give a shit and totally warped objects to fully display them

[real sierra]

i will invest every waking hour for a week or two straight

and then never touch it again

[fast pagoda]

ol mechanical turk

im mad that scamazon stole that name

[olive sable]

im here working on my vulkan at 8am so icant say shit, but still

im going after my new speakers in half an hour

[tender river]

shiro do you accept submissions by mail

[real sierra]

tomorrow: the chess api

[fast pagoda]

instead of lord farquaad it's just me inside the chess trojan horse

[real sierra]

you may struggle with the time limit

[tender river]

i'm not going to your house

[fast pagoda]

i am

[real sierra]

i'm not going to your house

Won't fix

the more I think about the details the more bleak the future becomes

[fast pagoda]

just don't think

that's what i do

stuff just happens

[real sierra]

how do I even multithread in C...

[tender river]

pthreads

[fast pagoda]

we'll get there when we get there (never)

[tender river]

or on windows uh CriticalSection and CreateThread

[real sierra]

am I stepping into hell

it's linux

[rigid timber]

multithread in a different language instead and expose C bindings from it...

[real sierra]

ah yess

[fast pagoda]

yes yes multithread in python now that the GIL is gone

[real sierra]

calling my Python bindings from C

[tender river]

pthreads isnt really hard

[real sierra]

will I do it correctly first try

[tender river]

the only problem with c multithreading is it being platform specific

[tender river]

do you trust yourself to do threading correctly

in any language

[fast pagoda]

no

[real sierra]

java

:)

[tender river]

then you might

[real sierra]

thread pool executor and then win

[tender river]

locking

synchronization

[real sierra]

[tender river]

ye

[real sierra]

I still can't figure out if the chess bot should start the API thread or vice versa

I guess the bot probably should

something like

[opaque sigil]

pthreads is pretty comfy you got this

[fast pagoda]

how long would these api calls need to run it cant be that long can it

if theyre super fast could get away with it from the main thread and pretend nothing else exists

:^)

surely nothing woul ever block it

[real sierra]

#include "chess.h"

public void main(int argc, char *argv) {
  ChessAPI *api = start_chess_api();
  int lenLegalMoves;
  Move *legalMoves = api->getLegalMoves(&lenLegalMoves);
  api->push(legalMoves[lenLegalMoves-1]);
}

idk something like that

don't judge I'm on mobile

you get the idea

[plain dagger]

hey can someone help?

[olive sable]

depends on what

[real sierra]

the UCI spec requires that the chess bot
always be listening for UCI commands from the server

[fast pagoda]

this has caused an epiphany, c was built for chess, the right hand side of the board is called the h file

chess.h is real

[real sierra]

but yeah does that look like a useable API?

does that seem like a reasonable way of exposing its functions

[plain dagger]

someone told me to test out a bot on the website "JanitorAI". i normally use tavern so i don't use the online one much. i would like to know what good llm models are out there, since jllm is trash at handling role plays. any suggestions?

[olive sable]

uh

never heard of janitor ai so cant really help

[plain dagger]

ah, i see.

[fast pagoda]

i dont think public void is a thing in c

[real sierra]

sorry it's been ages since I've written C

might be some java bleed over

[olive sable]

the vertexbuffer and indexbuffer are now stored inside the objectclass instead of only being created there and sent outside

[fast pagoda]

int main(int argc, char *argv[])

[rigid timber]

Cava

[fast pagoda]

wake up babe new hybrid frankenlanguage just dropped

[real sierra]

should probably also be Move** for the array

any suggestions on how to garbage collect any of this

[olive sable]

i relaize now that eventho a lot changed under the hood, this does not look different at all, and i shouldn't really send pictures

[fast pagoda]

well the legalMoves array needs to be freed

[plain dagger]

shiro!

[real sierra]

hello!

[plain dagger]

No game: No life

love it

[rigid timber]

that should be the responsibility of whoever is using it tbh, not of the API itself

[olive sable]

well all i need to do know is make the textures object class variables instead of having one global texture. that is for later tho since i need to get ready to go after my new speakers

[real sierra]

true but my concern is

[fast pagoda]

i dunno if it memoryleaks if some moron like me forgets to free it properly that's a bit rough

[rigid timber]

well if it leaks memory then your bot will run out of memory and crash

[real sierra]

the bot may have to stop rather abruptly

idk how to do that part tbh

[olive sable]

bye #programming
have fun breaking your minds over chess

oh wait lemme gitpush this

[real sierra]

I guess in practice it's not important, the bot just goes until it runs out of time

why even implement the whole spec I'm sure I can half ass it

but yeah the thing I'm wondering about right now is, if the chess server decides the chess bot has gone over time, how does it terminate the bot

[olive sable]

16 files changed, 1092 insertions(+), 488 deletions(-)

[fast pagoda]

send SIGKILL

[rigid timber]

kill the process?

[real sierra]

I didn't make the chess server

it might ask it politely to die via UCI

which would complicate things

[fast pagoda]

aw

i knew that was gonna happen

[real sierra]

well I just don't know

it's not exactly documented

[rigid timber]

exit() if you get politely asked to die?

[real sierra]

then it's the caller's responsibility to check if it should die

which seems like a weird requirement to put on participants

[fast pagoda]

i mean the bot should be able to figure out if the game ends

[real sierra]

who would spend the tokens on that

[fast pagoda]

and die

[rigid timber]

well no, since you're the one writing the UCI part

[real sierra]

it should yeah but the API will have to handle that

[real sierra]

yeah the UCI handler should do it I agree

[rigid timber]

or I completely misunderstood the architecture

[fast pagoda]

"hewwo plz destroy urself thank"

[real sierra]

but idk how to kill the process

especially since I have to kill both threads

[amber fractal]

How are we even communicating? Web requests or some other thing

[fast pagoda]

standardized apoptosis protocol defined in the api

[real sierra]

as a participant, you just get a nice API that lets you do calls like getLegalMoves and push to read the board state and submit moves

[amber fractal]

Sorry for not being 100% I'm kinda preoccupied

[real sierra]

but to make that work I have to puzzle out an interface between that nice system and the universal chess interface protocol

that's the part I'm dying on rn

[real sierra]

gg

format drive and reinstall

it was a good run

[fast pagoda]

i dont think it needs to be overthought it just needs to send a message that the bot should expect and then it should use kill() or equivalent to end itself

not like it'd burn all the tokens in the world for that

[amber fractal]

If the neuro API does it, then we should as well

[real sierra]

does neuro use the universal chess protocol

that would be rather fascinating

[fast pagoda]

that's actually what she's built on yyah

source: im vedal

[amber fractal]

Well that one is more like prepare to die then they close it

[real sierra]

[fast pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZdj2Cm2tzk

my chess bot

[real sierra]

it'd be a cool name for a bot honestly

[fast pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3SCkjbnSpgY why is this the soundtrack chosen lmfao

😭

[olive sable]

Im on the road to my speakers

[fast pagoda]

soon you will be crawling around hooking them up and malding

also this 3 day uptime while running this fucking php import script has also lead to my plasmashell running this whole time essentially and i think that has revealed some sort of memory leak so that's great

ram isn't being used too much but plasmashell is currently using 31 gb of swap LMAO

wtf

[olive sable]

31GB

[fast pagoda]

plasmashell 31493180 kB
is what i get when looking at the swap rn

restarted it and freed all 31gb instantly nice but wtf was that

better ignore it forever

[opaque sigil]

what are you doing

[hollow spruce]

Shiro is written in c good

[stark needle]

Good morning humans

[fast pagoda]

i think the culprit is unironically the giant folder of wallpapers i have that just cycles in a slideshow every 5 mins

somehow not being freed

and i dont usually have the thing running for 3 days

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

i wanted to have anime grills on my wallpaper

but i didnt want it to be all the time

so i downloaded like an entire wallpaper website

slapped it in a folder

and that just cycles

[amber fractal]

Weird how it isn't only preloading the next few

[fast pagoda]

well, i'm not positive that's what it is

but i was searching around and found some people complaining about plasmashell using a lot of memory

and multiple times ive seen it asked "well do you have a slideshow wallpaper" or similar

idk why it was just going into swap (so it's not actively in use) instead of just being freed

didnt even look at it before because i just figured it was some bullshit being caused by this php script

[amber fractal]

I've only had one anime gorl wallpaper since forever now. I should spice it up when I get the chance.

[fast pagoda]

but then when i saw swap at 30+gb i was like surely not

how would it use 30 gigs swap when the db is only

sudo du -sh /var/lib/mysql/archwiki
14G    /var/lib/mysql/archwiki

but also how do the wallpapers do it when the folder is smaller than that

[amber fractal]

Fully loaded into ram as RGB

preloading at it's finest

[fast pagoda]

did you get your usr folder back

[amber fractal]

Nope, no luck yet

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSNObKP-tB4

that's crazy

[fast pagoda]

they stole literally like 5 dollars

they put the shittest payload all time in there

mfw pull off a million billion zillion gillion user supply chain attack and forgor the payload that does literally anything

[olive sable]

I have them

Ignore my shadow lmao

They're a lot bigger than i was expecting

They came out of an actual cinema apparently

[midnight sigil]

they are smart to be able to pwn an npm maintainer

but not smart enough to be able to make it more hiden and useful

[olive sable]

That place had a lot of cool old tech

[fast pagoda]

that is cool as hell

[rare bramble]

wallpaper engine is so good for wallpapers, cant recommend it enough, probably the best 5€ i have ever spent

[opaque sigil]

No wallpaper engine on linux

[olive sable]

Bwaa

[rare bramble]

oh

[olive sable]

I still need to change my wallpaper in linux

[fast pagoda]

i summon my superpowers

your car is

an open zafira A

first generation

opel*

[hollow spruce]

Yo what are u trying to do swap memory

[olive sable]

I customized the waybar a lot and i havent even looked at the wallpaper stuff

[amber fractal]

I heard of a project for it, can't say how well it works

[hollow spruce]

Daily?

[fast pagoda]

i saw an option to have an animated wallpaper at some point

[olive sable]

Not daily buf i have customized it weelky or so

[rough bloom]

we have wallpaper engine at home (running mpv in the background)

[fast pagoda]

sam it's very important for you confirm if i have identified the MPV in the pic

i need to know to ensure my autism is calibrated

the swap memory @hollow spruce was just my KDE w/ a memory leak lmao

[olive sable]

The what?

[fast pagoda]

vehicle

[opaque sigil]

I have accepted the reality that I will only ever see the wallpaper on startup before covering it with browser windows

[olive sable]

My car?

[fast pagoda]

the class of vehicle the opel zafira A belongs to is commonly known as an MPV (at least to me)

[olive sable]

Yes it is an opel zafira

[fast pagoda]

still got it

ayyy

[olive sable]

Idk if its A but i think so

[fast pagoda]

the first gen the name was just zafira A

99-05

[olive sable]

Yep

This is a 2001 or so i think

[fast pagoda]

next gen after that was zafira B lule

creative

[olive sable]

Here we just call it "den otto"

[opaque sigil]

The car?

[olive sable]

Ye

[fast pagoda]

mpv type vehicles should be more popular here

about 10 years ago a girlfriend had a ford cmax energi and it was pretty good as far as being a useful vehicle

[olive sable]

The only problem with this one is its getting old

Bad battery and stuff

[fast pagoda]

Luckily battery is simple enough to replace

It's not older than me so it can't be that old

[olive sable]

Ye nah

Its really on its last breath

Good car, the engine screams however

[fast pagoda]

My buddy had a dog shit (he would call it that, he hated the thing) old Hyundai, it was like a 2007 but it was a Hyundai before ~2012 so it aged in Hyundai years which are a bit like dog years but for cars

Once when I was visiting the exhaust cracked

And the thing sounded like a NASCAR every time he wanted to accelerate

Just the loudest Hyundai maybe ever in history

I followed him to IHOP one morning before it was fixed and I don't think I've ever laughed that hard in my life for so long

Crying the entire way there from laughing every time he hit the gas

So that's what I'm imagining it does

[olive sable]

They have safely arrived home

They're just a lot bigger than i was expecting so ill have to think about where to put them

[flint dome]

in your stomach

[olive sable]

Breaker tripped o7

[hollow spruce]

Bot is offline mode should I start using npm run ?

[hollow spruce]

Speaker 🔊

[olive sable]

I havent even connected them yet

[hollow spruce]

Set up must be pain
(Wire management
Speaker setup
Connect to dolby support equator
)
Respect

[nocturne olive]

3090'd too hard?

[tender river]

meow meow meow meow

[hollow spruce]

Yo 🙂

[olive sable]

No, this is the theatre room

[nocturne olive]

Then I have no idea

[hollow spruce]

@tender river what game are u playing

[tender river]

https://osu.ppy.sh

[nocturne olive]

Either a bad breaker or something is broken or became shorted for a moment

[nocturne olive]

Peak game spotted

[tender river]

[hollow spruce]

Best luck for ure theatre room

[nocturne olive]

I've been playing some Osu recently too, is fun

I suck at it though

[olive sable]

Since thid place doesnt have actual groundwires im using a splitterbox with built in fuse. And it seems like it doesnt want to keep being on even with nothing connected

[nocturne olive]

Well, kinda

[hollow spruce]

Which one bass one & which one is 5.1

[olive sable]

5.1

But i have some other speaker dor height

So when its all installed ill have 5.1.4

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

Hello @olive sable do u have projector 📽️?

[nocturne olive]

Does this still count as sucking at the game?

[hollow spruce]

What is that ?

[olive sable]

Nah, just old 4k tv

Its 3d tho

[hollow spruce]

Awesome

[nocturne olive]

Numbers from Osu

[olive sable]

I have fixed the power issue. Powerbox uses a button as a switch, and the inside mechanism got stuck.

Cuz of builtin protections eventho its down it defaults to off

fixed it tho