programming

[fast pagoda]

nah more like figure out how ot make people buy slop

[silent cloak]

me showing valve Vedal's Secret 2 on my resume

[stark needle]

toilet cleaner at their offices

[olive sable]

valve would mean id have to live in a diffrent country tho, larian is a 45min drive away

[fast pagoda]

just break in to their office and start working

dont say anything

[pulsar edge]

me showing valve my 1000 hours in TF2

[silent cloak]

they have a life sized tf2 turret and portal turret

no joke

[pulsar edge]

yeah

they have a valve too

[olive sable]

The average annual salary for a Valve employee was reportedly $1.3 million in 2021
for 1.3mil id clean toilets

[stark needle]

WHAT

?????

[silent cloak]

makes sense tho

[fast pagoda]

AVERAGE

[olive sable]

shhh

[silent cloak]

all the other companies shoot themselves in the foot

[fast pagoda]

how much does gaben make

[stark needle]

VALVE EMPLOYEES GETTING CEO COMPENSATION

[pulsar edge]

enough

[silent cloak]

private companies are the way to go

[olive sable]

biggest game store + not many employees = big moneys

[fast pagoda]

dont look at nvidia employees

[stark needle]

A trillion billion dollars

[fast pagoda]

nvidia employees out here with generational wealth working for 1 month

[silent cloak]

i dont think anymore

that was when the stocks were going up fast

[fast pagoda]

well, whenever th stock price exploded

i mean

[olive sable]

Departmental Averages 

    Administration: $4.5 million per year.
    Game Development: $1 million per year.
    Steam Development: $960k per year.
    Hardware Development: $430k per year.

[fast pagoda]

the picture is becoming clearer

[silent cloak]

makes sense actually

[pulsar edge]

administration getting 4.5m??

[fast pagoda]

gabe skew

[pulsar edge]

jfc

[stark needle]

Why is Valve not FAANG WTF

[olive sable]

even for hardware dev, 400k is insane too

[pulsar edge]

because they dont hire

[fast pagoda]

is it? sounds normal for the us

[silent cloak]

because they are private

and better

cant compare true development to slop smh

[stark needle]

So is it basically a gated rich people communities?

[pulsar edge]

kinda yeah

[silent cloak]

gated creative communities

[fast pagoda]

does my steam account having a 20 year badge give me a leg up in an interview

[pulsar edge]

from what I hear at least

[pulsar edge]

I think it does actually

[silent cloak]

from what i know all the devs have pretty high power in the company

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

to get a job at valve you need a top 0.01% portofolio or something, along with a lot of experience

[silent cloak]

they do alot of projects u dont even hear about

and if they get off the ground they get published

if not they simply die

[fast pagoda]

me irl

[silent cloak]

they arent corporate planning

its all about if they find a project fun enough to work on it

[fast pagoda]

not having to generate value for shareholders is crrazy

[stark needle]

"as an avid life dedicated user to Valve's services..."

[pulsar edge]

I should email valve and see if I can get a co-op position there

[silent cloak]

literally

if they get bored of an idea they simply stop

[unkempt citrus]

averrage not median

[silent cloak]

u wont even know they were working on it

[fast pagoda]

yeah like half life 3

[stark needle]

One mf making 150 trillion the rest making 3k

[silent cloak]

actually they have had many plans through the years for that

but they would always fall on their head

[unkempt citrus]

They do, its just gaben is the only shareholder

[fast pagoda]

gabriel newellington

[silent cloak]

HLX is the biggest one in the works right now

[olive sable]

half life 3... = 3/2 life???

[unkempt citrus]

So while Gaben has a good rep, he does do shady shit

[silent cloak]

HLX is getting good fluid simulations too

and they are using CS2 to optimize source2 before its release

[olive sable]

wdym? ofcourse he rakes in money but thats expected of a ceo

[fast pagoda]

if you have a brain it'd be impossible to not assume hl3 has been in development hell from the expectations for 20+ years

[silent cloak]

not hlx though

there have been many different "editions"

they simply wither away

HLX is actually very far in development

[fast pagoda]

isn't hlx just hl3 but they dont wanna call it that

[silent cloak]

its a placeholder name

[olive sable]

valve makes a lot of game's as hardware demo's afaik, and there jsut hasnt been too much exciting hardware lately

[fast pagoda]

right

codename

[silent cloak]

they are spending more on the OS than hardware right now

[olive sable]

makes sense

[silent cloak]

they really want to bring linux up

[unkempt citrus]

Valve has full control over the CS skins market place, and are aware of the gambling market, they could shut it down at any point, but they don't, because it makes them alot of money and only acts when theres major newss stories about it for one

[silent cloak]

(makes sense given gaben worked on windows back at microsoft)

[fast pagoda]

werent there some hlx assets that popped up in cs2?

[silent cloak]

yeah

because of source 2

[unkempt citrus]

Also Valve was one of the pioneers of not owning a license to a game, but rather a license to license a game

[olive sable]

oh ye, gambling.

[silent cloak]

DLC was a thing before valve

i think it was originally some horse shit

[unkempt citrus]

THats MTX

[silent cloak]

if i recall

[unkempt citrus]

horse armour is wow

[olive sable]

horse armor no?

ye

[unkempt citrus]

Valve pioneered crates

[fast pagoda]

gaben worked as M$, saw what how they had all become corrupted by baphomet, left and then when windows 8 came out he declared it to be a disaster for the human race because he knew the truth

[silent cloak]

no

[fast pagoda]

and now we have linux gaming that works

so that's cool

[silent cloak]

this little fuck

[olive sable]

gabe just knows how to do good bussiness i guess

[silent cloak]

Bethesda did it

[fast pagoda]

horse armour oblivion meme

[silent cloak]

everyone shat on them for making a $2.50 horse DLC

[unkempt citrus]

Oh righht tmy bad got it mixed up

[fast pagoda]

it's a common reference in WoW communities still that's why

[unkempt citrus]

No wow did too

[fast pagoda]

especially since they still unironically shit out horse armour over at blizzard

[silent cloak]

blizzard and Bethesda both are ass

[unkempt citrus]

Wow's horse armour was so succesful, it made more than SC2 did in its entirety

[fast pagoda]

bethesda: subsidiary of zenimax which is a subsidiary of microsoft gaming
blizzard: direct subsidiary of microsoft gaming

coincidence?

there might be a common denominator here

[unkempt citrus]

Yes

[silent cloak]

dont forget what they did to mojang

[unkempt citrus]

[silent cloak]

ill never forgive them

[fast pagoda]

i was already shitting myself over bedrock in here the other day i cant revisit that

[silent cloak]

i was there

[fast pagoda]

[silent cloak]

i think it was my last big convo in here actually

[fast pagoda]

kek

[silent cloak]

after that its been work work work

as u can tell by my banner

[fast pagoda]

yeah that was around the time when you were talking about vs2 and your identity was in question

[unkempt citrus]

Eh I feel microsoft has been fine with Mojang

its not been great, but minecraft wasn't gettingg super exciting updates beforehand anyway

Bedrock was a mistake though

[silent cloak]

they still havent since 1.16.5

[olive sable]

bedrock was a good decision, jsut poor execution

[silent cloak]

it was a stupid one imo

they have a special place in hell for it

[fast pagoda]

the nether*

perhaps the end

[silent cloak]

na they wont update the end

[olive sable]

having minecraft on all devices was a good idea, they just shouldnt have made it diffrent from the original game

anyways we've been over this already

[fast pagoda]

someone here should go get hired at huggingface and update the hf hub to not handle downloading repos in a stupid way

[olive sable]

not it

[silent cloak]

i dont work for slop

[fast pagoda]

impossible you're doing work for vedal rn

[silent cloak]

i dont work for vedal

[fast pagoda]

vedal adjacent

[silent cloak]

technically yes

[fast pagoda]

2nd cousin, thrice removed ahh relationship

[silent cloak]

fr

[stark needle]

Chat i cant sleep ._.

I need to pass this assessment somehow

[silent cloak]

thats how i feel working on my university project rn

[stark needle]

I think I'm gonna go listen shondo tingly asmr and try to sleep

[fast pagoda]

id have a suggestion but i cant post it here

[silent cloak]

i can barely bring myself to finish it

i just want to be done

[olive sable]

i just remembered, since we tried to find ciphers identity before, we could cross reference when he sends messages here vs other people.

im jsut too lazy to do that

and i dont really care about his identity tbh

[fast pagoda]

im a cipher alt and i post the same time as him to thwart that sorry

[silent cloak]

its true

[fast pagoda]

speaking of never finishing, update nobody cares about i just find it funny at this point

surely some day this will finish

[silent cloak]

reminds me i need to finish setting up mongodb and redis for hanakyo

i got a big whiteboard todo list for all the shit i need to do this week

[fast pagoda]

[fast pagoda]

i bought a hobonichi techo planner thing and it's actually been quite useful (for work)

[silent cloak]

i kind of want to host my own git server

[silent cloak]

yeah that has too many steps

[fast pagoda]

i just write shit in it on the day that i need to do things

[silent cloak]

like opening the book, buying a new one once its out

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[silent cloak]

i need a massive ass board that tells me in big letters what i must do

my schedule is adapted to how the human brain works too

[fast pagoda]

well, but chaotic and random?

[silent cloak]

i wake at 7 and work till 3 for all the hard work, because the human brain has the most dopamine coritsol and noradrenaline etc

after that 3 to 11 the brain has elevated seratonin and ur in more of a relaxed state which makes it great for brainstorming and problem solving

[fast pagoda]

i almost fall asleep at 3 every day

[silent cloak]

u can change the wake up time but add the same amount of hours as I did

[fast pagoda]

that's about when i wake up on work days

i have to be at work an hour later

[silent cloak]

ADHD is a big pain for me so ive resorted to reading about how the brain works

[fast pagoda]

that's the kind of thing that i do when im busy not doing what i'm supposed to be doing (all the time)

[silent cloak]

real

[fast pagoda]

and then im like damn, so that's how it's supposed to go huh

[silent cloak]

i try to save that for the afternoon now

3 to 11

but i need that morning coritsol, dopamine, and noradrenaline

[fast pagoda]

the real solution: treat yourself like a meat robot and schedule things out and hold self to it

[silent cloak]

hell i wish they sold it as medication

thats what im doing

[fast pagoda]

well, dopamine and noradrenaline can be ..manipulated..

[silent cloak]

yes

social media does it all the time

dopamine deficit is a real thing

[olive sable]

i finished refactoring my code
most of it is pretty clean now, to my standarts at least.
the only bad files now are the ones with 50 functions

[silent cloak]

this little graph is a big truth

and helped a lot

[stark needle]

me when dopamine causes psychosis

[silent cloak]

[fast pagoda]

a while back i ended up in a spot where i was extremely listless and basically ended up with polyaddiction or something, literally could not be entirely sober or i was despairge

a small amount of structure fixed it but damn if i havent been a slave to the

[silent cloak]

i dont care about the happy chemical

i care about the motivation chemical

[fast pagoda]

i would consider motivation to be something that contributes to happiness

[silent cloak]

my stupid meat mech doesnt obey me

[stark needle]

I block dopamine almost completely with my antipsychotics

[olive sable]

i refactored most of it but i ended up breaking a file that used functions from this, so i just duplicated the functions into that file which im not too happy about tbh

[silent cloak]

dopamine is important for motivation, pleasure etc

the big part i care about is motivation

[olive sable]

i probably need to subdevide it

[silent cloak]

i need that shit because amazon has none for me

[stark needle]

My motivation is elsewhere

[fast pagoda]

that's a lotta args

[silent cloak]

low level usually does

[stark needle]

Ok chat i should sleep fr

Y'all Europeans as well

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/shondo-agreed-fallen-shadow-microcelebrity-smol-gif-27120626

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

i must stay up to finish a university project i keep procrastinating

[fast pagoda]

embed fail somehow that's strange

[stark needle]

omg it shondo

[olive sable]

i finished my refactoring and i promised myslef i could watch anime when i finished. so im not sleeping yet

[fast pagoda]

i wish i had the attention span to watch anime anymore

it's really bad

i can read manga but that's because i can do like, a page at a time

[silent cloak]

i feel that

[stark needle]

I got the urge to take a shower at 5am

[silent cloak]

but its also because ive ran out of good shit

[fast pagoda]

also that

kinda burned through everything i was rally motivated to watch

[silent cloak]

same

[fast pagoda]

waiting for a corpus of stuff im interested to build up again

[silent cloak]

i do the same

[olive sable]

i dont have the attentionspan for a lot of things, but anime is one of the things i do have attentionspan for.
besides when i rewatch something, i sometimes just skip an entire arc cuz i cant be bothered

[fast pagoda]

i can rewatch ones ivve already watched because i can afford to stop paying full attention briefly and not be entirely lost

[silent cloak]

new tv shows arent that good in general honestly these days

[fast pagoda]

i have not watched a non-anime tv show in i dont know how long but it's probably been 10 years at least

[olive sable]

i watch isekai slop, im used to it

[silent cloak]

if the MC doesnt have a brain i dont watch

[fast pagoda]

i confuse people when i tell them this but i cannot think of a bigger waste of time than watching a movie

my god it's agonizing

[olive sable]

i can watch a movie but only if the convenience factor is high enough. like i can just go to a website and start watching, plus i dont have anything better to do

[fast pagoda]

i mean like sitting down in the living room and just watching a movie

doing nothing else

or worse going to the movies

[silent cloak]

i like that tbh

got a whole surround sound setup

the new superman was good

[fast pagoda]

all ive seen of it is gifs of every characterr spinning

[olive sable]

the movies is fun tho imo, but only if you're going with friends

[fast pagoda]

my friends live 1500 miles from me

[olive sable]

skill issue

[fast pagoda]

pretty much

[silent cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404155879774748896/1412429897120485514/GzzeEb5XMAARXPC-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[olive sable]

i have 3 main friend groups

only 1 i hang out with a lot tho

[silent cloak]

im friends with the grind

[fast pagoda]

friends with dat paper ayyy

[olive sable]

im on the grind during the week, bt the weekend is nice to hang out and play super mario wii with the homies

[silent cloak]

most of my friends are doing their own shit now or working so im doing the same

i make time when i can

[olive sable]

me playing stereo games on old consoles eventho i bought an expensive surround system

[fast pagoda]

i still want to go rent out the LA sphere and just spend a day blasting my entire music collection into my eardrums until they fall out

[silent cloak]

put neuro on it

make it a giant turtle actually

i downed 2 cups of coffee so this should help me finish my work

[olive sable]

if its just for music, i think it would be cheaper to just get a top of the line sound system than renting the LA sphere

[fast pagoda]

it would but it wouldn't be the same

[olive sable]

LA sphere is $450,000 per day

[silent cloak]

they should pay u that much just to be in LA

[olive sable]

i wish

[fast pagoda]

so about the sae cost as home audio endgame

[olive sable]

in what world is home ausio endgame 450K?

[fast pagoda]

the real world

mcintosh xtr2.1k are over 100k a pair my guy

then you have to drive them

[olive sable]

i can understand if its a custom room with concrete slabs and triple layer sounddeadening panels maybe 100K. but 450K seems a bit much

[fast pagoda]

you havent looked at what truely high end speakers cost

[olive sable]

thats a scam

[fast pagoda]

call it what you want but the reality is that's teh cost of the flagships from the best of the best

focal has some 100k+ units as well

[olive sable]

at that price range you might aswell build the entire house around it sound good

[fast pagoda]

that's the idea yes

[olive sable]

nah

thats not home theater anymore at that point, buying an actual theater would be cheaper

[fast pagoda]

i dunno what your definition of endgame is but yes ideally this would be something that is part of, and accounted for, as part of building a very, very nice home yes

[olive sable]

we all know the materials for those is less than 10K, and sourced from 3rd world countries

i dont care what technology license or whatever they have, thats just too much

[fast pagoda]

that's not what you're paying for

[olive sable]

well yes but still, thats an obscene profit margin

[fast pagoda]

extremely low volume product of course it does, why else would they even offer it

the reason i say the sphere specifically is because i want to hear the holoplot arrays they jammed in the walls all over the place

that would be these https://www.holoplot.com/products/holoplot-x1

one of them is 50-100k as well (1 singular array)

the LA sphere has 1900 of them

[olive sable]

nah

wtf

[fast pagoda]

1600 fixed and 300 that can be moved

yep

[olive sable]

billionaires man

[fast pagoda]

assuming they got a volume discount and paid like 20k per module, the system is still 38 million dollars

just for the speakers themselves

[olive sable]

the LA speher ei can still kinda understand, its meant to be used for concerts or whatever that are held there.

but those 200K speakers are still too much

those arent high-end, those are overkill

[fast pagoda]

you gotta pay to play

[olive sable]

no i dont

[fast pagoda]

and they ARE high end even if it's incompatible with your desire to pay that much lol

it's too much for me too

currently anyways

[olive sable]

you're saying you would actually buy those if you had the money?

[fast pagoda]

sure, why not? i'd buy a lot of stupid things if i had the cash to blow

[olive sable]

im 99.999% sure they dont sound that diffrent from speakers a 10th of the price

[fast pagoda]

i'd probably try to negotiate on price a bit but yeah i have chronic FOMO so i'd buy whatever is theoretically the best available

as with many things audio tends to see the improvements be logarithmic in nature

you get a lot of gains from low end -> standard "high end" which would be your average setup in the $2000-$10000 range depending on what you're doing

[olive sable]

talking about speakers, im going after my new speakers in 26 hours

5 x LRC60 S3 and a ASW650

"only" 480 bucks

[fast pagoda]

b&w has a pair of speakers over 100k lol

the ridiculous looking nautilus

[olive sable]

ye no thanks, im perfectly happy with these

[fast pagoda]

if i were to say what i'd get with a "modest" budget it'd be something along the performance and price range of like

wharfedale elysian line

less than $10k!

barely

[olive sable]

id currently going for a 5K setup

but 5K new, im getting everything 2ndhand cuz i aint paying for all that

[fast pagoda]

there's sooooooo much variation in what you can get in the used market it's crazy

it's almost overwhelming

go back 10-15 years and you can get some seriously great sounding gear for that price

which it seems you're doing since the LRC60 S3s fit right in to that timeframe

[olive sable]

my amp was 2.2K new and i got it for 450, Denon AVR-X6200W
those speakers i mentioned before were 5 x 380 + 700 = 2600 and im gettign them for 480

ill probably keep the shit speakers im using as height the same till newyears or so

20bucks worth of jvc sp-x103

[fast pagoda]

any reason you're using 5x of what is ostensibly meant to be a center channel speaker
guessing the answer is "speaker is a speaker" (true) and "theyre surrounds so they needed to be smaller than DM603 S3s" (true) with a bit of "price vs availability" sprinkled in there (also true)

[olive sable]

rn i have a 5.1.4

i eventually want to get a 7.2.4, with tall floorstanding speakers as new fronts

like the DM603 S3 yep, same series so should go well together

the only issue with that is money, and afaik eventho they're meant for the front they should sound good as surrounds

[fast pagoda]

there's also the 602 S3 which is the bookshelf paired

which would probably be where i was looking for the surrounds

but like i said speaker is a speaker end of the day, it'll work just fine

just turn it not horizontally and boom suddenly it's a bookshelf perfectly capable

602

[olive sable]

they're LCR so they do both center, left and right. im pretty sure the only diffrence with rears is that fronts are meant to be the highest quality cuz it has the most effect ont he soundstage???

but ye speaker is speaker

[fast pagoda]

i would generally expect the DM602s to have stronger midbass (larger woofer, the centers had 5.5inch woofers)

[tight tinsel]

course application results come out in ~1.5hrs

[fast pagoda]

the dm602 had 7 inch mids

[tight tinsel]

hoping for the best

[fast pagoda]

and the LRC60 i would expect to generally have a harder time below ~60hz while the 602 should be good for like 40

however the LRC60 is also said BY B&W to be usable as just a center or a center + L + R as well so yeah

[olive sable]

if i can find ones for a decent price id jsut get the DM603's with their dedicated low frequeny driver.
but id be happy with a 602

[fast pagoda]

yeah 603s are the real workhorse there

could handle basically anything except the sub's job

more spency and harder to find in general

[fast pagoda]

i believe

[olive sable]

im probably gonna get 4 DM600 S3 for the heights, those are a lot cheaper and i dont think heights need that much punch

[fast pagoda]

DM600 s3 are a great value

[olive sable]

everything S3 tho since i gemini told me at this price point you should match the timbre or something

i believe it

im gullible

[fast pagoda]

gemini out here doing its best audio mumbo jumboing

it is true though that keeping things in the same series/range of products from one manu is a generally good iea though

at least for convenience if you dont want to do a shitload of work to find things that work well together

[olive sable]

btw, to choose which speakers to pich of the 2ndhand website i gave gemini 30 links an made it pick one

[fast pagoda]

since they would've been produced with the others in mind and should compliment by default

[olive sable]

also this might sound really stupid, but i want to colourmatch them, so im getting all beige

[fast pagoda]

paint them pink

[olive sable]

bruh

[fast pagoda]

neuro themed

[olive sable]

pink is probably the worst option for that room

[fast pagoda]

the walls are white right

as you post the pic shitit

i think a nice wood finish wouldnt be bad

which i guess is pretty beige adjacent

[olive sable]

im getting the ones with these colours

diffrent pic from the ones im actually buying cuz i dont want to dox

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah i think that'd work well

[olive sable]

i think my mom would also be happy with these instead of fully black or gray ones

[fast pagoda]

i think anyone's mom would be pleased if they actually paid attention to the room colour scheme whilst purchasing these things

[olive sable]

the mixture of 3 diffrent sets of furniture has already made that room a bit bad

but at least the speakers look good

[fast pagoda]

it looks like my buddy's basement in high school lmao

they had a sunroom attached so they had curtains everywhere

and then she (his mom i think is the one who chose the furniture) had a similar taste in furniture

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

that is to say, looks cozy 10/10 would play mario kart

[olive sable]

apparently there is also a DM604 S3 but its even more expsnsive

probably not worth it

ye a single set is 850

[fast pagoda]

b&w is so good at randomly swapping how their fking naming works

[amber fractal]

Bwaa, I tried for at least 2 hours to try and reuse a solid state cooling setup for laptop only for it to not work.

[fast pagoda]

currently like 800 series have 801 being bigger than 805

[olive sable]

there is one for 500 bucks but its 200km away, a 4h drive roughly

4h back and forth

[fast pagoda]

solid state cooling whatever do u mean

[olive sable]

no fans i think

[fast pagoda]

i have heard of some mini pc with "solid state" cooling

[amber fractal]

Wrong item

[fast pagoda]

yeah with no fans

[amber fractal]

I was researching that but wrong name

[fast pagoda]

i saw some video on a solid state cooler where it basically used a vibration from a membrane to suck in air with high pressure into a small chamber

which then passes over the cooling plate and out

[amber fractal]

Poor phrasing activated automod

[fast pagoda]

kek

i read that as activated almonds btw

[amber fractal]

I have a Thermoelectric Cooling thing with fans on both sides

[fast pagoda]

PELTIER COOLING?

those are cool

literally

[amber fractal]

I was hoping to remove a side to direct cool, but couldn't get the pressure needed

But it got me wondering about trying those Solid State Cooling (the fan replacement) with Thermoelectric Cooling. Both are small enough, so I wonder how that plays out.

[fast pagoda]

yeah i think those are fragile inasmuch as they are designed for a specific pressure and removing a side would probably mess it up

[amber fractal]

But after 3 years of the reveal, there is still no products to buy

[fast pagoda]

wonder what the issue is because i think i saw the video on those like years ago now

[amber fractal]

I had some "clamps" and tried to deal with it

but it was not having it

[fast pagoda]

must have some sort of issue scaling up but even the ones they were showing back then claimed to be able to handle a laptop tier cpu's heat output without an issue

[amber fractal]

All of them were 2 years ago

[fast pagoda]

that checks out

[amber fractal]

Yeah, they claim to be still improving on their site

[fast pagoda]

oh yeah it was an LTT video i saw and looking at frore's site the mini slim has that video linked lmao

[olive sable]

aight imma watch some anime and then sleep

im excited for my new speakers tho, i hope tomorrow comes fast

[amber fractal]

Have a good night!

[fast pagoda]

https://www.froresystems.com/products/snowgoose-airjet-r-development-kit contact them and pretend to be someone wanting to use the dev kit for testing

[fast pagoda]

i hope they blow ur mind and eardrums

in a positive manner

[olive sable]

hewwo i would like wone devewopwent kit pwease, its fow testing

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

seems like it'd work

[amber fractal]

I see no issues here

[fast pagoda]

just tell them you use NYArch and all your emails come out like that and you havent been able to figure out how to turn it off

if asked

i would love one of those to slap on an nvme drive

[amber fractal]

I'm not 100% sure if it'd work, the question is definitely if one, maybe two modules can handle the double punishment of cooling both the cold end and the hot end.

[fast pagoda]

they seem to think 2 modules is a perfectly reasonable thing to do for whatever usecase

[amber fractal]

5w fan cooling per 1w of their cooling is what the ratio seems to be

(Explains the scaling issues)

[fast pagoda]

wish i had found this when sam was here lol

deals

[amber fractal]

yep is deal

[fast pagoda]

has to be a low limit for that to hold true i imagine

like it's probably 5 to 1 at the 7.5w/module they seem to stick to

then the efficiency drops the hell off

and they are having trouble scaling it

or something

[amber fractal]

They claimed 4 modules for 18w of power on a laptop mod

So decently matches reality

[fast pagoda]

yeah but eventually you can't keep adding modules you just don't have the surface area

or space in general

so they need to have a module that can handle higher power on its own to scale to higher heat loads

probably can't figure that one out and that's where theyve been for 2 years loll

[amber fractal]

For desktop there is a very stupid apporach

I call it "Less dense fins"

But it'd still require a fan for cycling air

[fast pagoda]

my patentend less dense fins design uses a solid 6 lb chunk of copper that you clamp on your cpu

and then you can use the PC until the chunk is fully saturated

solid state

[amber fractal]

My actual method was to have a less dense heatspreader, but slap (not) just a few modules on it.

[fast pagoda]

i think by our powers combined we have something here

strap like 30 solid state cooling modules on to the giant copper block

[amber fractal]

mhm

[fast pagoda]

im imagining the way those nvme "NAS" systems are laid out

[amber fractal]

You would need to do some carving because you need to rotate the cooling a bit to not self collide

Top input, front output is an issue once your trying to make it into a grid

[fast pagoda]

but small

[amber fractal]

I see the vision

[fast pagoda]

would end up looking liek the shit that dell has been slapping in their systems forever

with all the plastic ducting

just no fans

[amber fractal]

A bit of sketching makes me think there might be a method to go fanless, but it does not help the cpu cooler to not be tall

[tacit plover]

https://x.com/mSanterre/status/1964929711534166118

max (@mSanterre)

Finally got it all wired up. I wish there was an easier way.

X · Sep 8, 2025, 5:52 AM

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

[flint dome]

guys is using an ai to verify your code for errors any good

[flint dome]

and to suggest changes and imrpovements as well

[fast pagoda]

i mainly use claude code for doing code reviews and it's pretty good at finding little things but not great at realizing when you'd royally fucked up the entire architecture of what you're trying to do

[flint dome]

"20 bucks, take it or leave it"

[flint dome]

hmm
i've heard good things about glm 4.5 as well, is it any good

[amber fractal]

It's supposed to work in ultra cramped so this could easily work. Though I'd do some reorganizing so it isn't unbalanced

[fast pagoda]

i have it deploy like 5-10 subagents and go to town with each one focusing on single responsibilities and/or functionalities and/or areas of a codebase, to avoid it having to think about the entire thing all at once, and just drop a .md in the directory with its findings/suggestions

and then i run out of claude code credit in 20 mins

[flint dome]

lol

but that does sound like a lot of work

not sure if i have that much energy when i just want to push the code as fast as i can

[amber fractal]

Something tells me this looks stupid

[fast pagoda]

haven't tried glm4.5 but i have heard decent things about it, i tend to try to use the largest model possible if i want it to actually have good results but we're at the point where a locally hosted MoE can probably reach the performance of SOTA like a year ago which was still good enough for code reviewing if you weren't depending on it finding EVERYTHING

[fast pagoda]

bowers and wilkins cpu cooler

[flint dome]

yeah but the thing is that the best i have is a laptop with a 2050 so good luck running anything on that

so i just rely on online

and free

(because im a broke bitch and dont want to give gemini my credit card details for 1 year free)

[fast pagoda]

gemini's free credit is fairly generous isn't it, i have used gemini cli in the past without it even making me log in lol (i could be wrong)

[flint dome]

yeah but gemini free sucks ass

actual toddler level intelligence

[fast pagoda]

what does it use, flash? then yeah ripp

[flint dome]

i mean it told us to eat pizza with elmer's glue on it and still cannot clear that bar so

[fast pagoda]

idk how anyone can use flash for anything really, it's kinda useless, it can't even do like data manipulation stuff reliably

[flint dome]

pro is good though and has one year free but needs credit card detail

and i do NOT have one and my parents arent exactly willing to give me theirs just to use it free for one year

[fast pagoda]

and the main thing i ever use like claude code/gemini cli et al for, besides random code review things if i made a bunch of changes and want a sanity check but dont feel like thinking that hard, is just text manipulation, which flash cannot do reliably somehow

yeah without a cc ur cooked in general for this stuff i think even places that give you free credit will require a cc number of some kinda

if you have access to a paypal or venmo (also paypal lule), even cashapp or something, they will give you a "debit card" which should let you at least sign up for stuff requiring a cc tho

go to walgreens and get a prepaid cc lol

[flint dome]

still a minor so have none of the above

[fast pagoda]

i got my paypal when i was 13

[flint dome]

and i dont live in america

[fast pagoda]

i think that's still the age you can get them

welp rip

[flint dome]

paypal here needs atleast a cc to get it

[fast pagoda]

not just a bank account?

[amber fractal]

Final part of this series, a slightly more balanced design with more headroom. (it is literally a tower cooler)

[fast pagoda]

damn when did you learn CAD?

brother reinvented the tower cooler and took the fans off

[amber fractal]

In my offtime

[fast pagoda]

dont let noctua see those designs theyre gonna rip you off tbh

i like the idea of just stacking them on top of each other

[flint dome]

just looked it up im not even allowed to manage the credit in my own bank account lmfao there you go

[fast pagoda]

it's never been more over

[flint dome]

all i have is the equivalent of 10 dollars in my wallet and thats my net worth

[fast pagoda]

i do not miss being smol

i kinda forget how hard it was to do anything without access to money at all times all over the internet

[flint dome]

you have no idea

[fast pagoda]

i probably dont because it wasnt nearly as bad when i was that young

[flint dome]

i cant fuckin buy food from the canteen often because the fucking cash registers runs out of change

[fast pagoda]

i yoinked my mom's phone as a kid and racked up gazillions of dollars of charges to verizon paying for DarkOrbit currency via text message

[flint dome]

and all the vending machine only accept phone payment setups not even cc or a cash system bro

[amber fractal]

Imma be real, You'd need to 4x the stack to get to fan size. The modules are very thin.

[flint dome]

the fuckin vending machines are locked out too

[fast pagoda]

but do they function well being stacked like that

[flint dome]

is this what it feels like to not buy the dlc in a game and encountering the dlc region but you cant go to it

[amber fractal]

Supposed to work in ultra cramped environments meaning that yep that works

[fast pagoda]

surely

[flint dome]

anyways im going to cry now buh bye

[amber fractal]

That is what the extra and optional fan is for

[fast pagoda]

all the ones i saw seemed to avoid vertically stacking them on top of each other unless im struggling to see the vision in the design

[fast pagoda]

one day you'll be crumbling to dust like me and you wont have that problme but instead 43000 others that suck even more

[amber fractal]

This isn't exactly that, none are being stacked, just on the top and bottom of stacked metal plates

So breaking that loophole

[amber fractal]

A quick 320W by 4 is 1280W, so over 1000W of cooling if it is to be believed

[fast pagoda]

dunno what the hell this extension does but i just found it and the icon makes me want to use it

perhaps it summons a dark entity to code for me

[fast pagoda]

surely there's no downside or issue causing this scaling to not work

oh it's literally just a theme

lol

[amber fractal]

Power draw isssss 256W that is the issue. But not by much as it still is over 1000

[flint dome]

you talk as if i already dont have 43000 problems in my life

[fast pagoda]

oh no im not saying that

im just saying if it's not those it'll be others lol

but hey at least you'll be able to sign up to gemini

but then you wont be a student so you get no 1 year free

[fast pagoda]

power supply manufacturers would love this

oh you are using 1000w already? you're gonna need at least a 1500w psu

[amber fractal]

Literally overinvesting into removal instead of buffering

[fast pagoda]

that's where the 60 lb copper block comes into play

yes it has increased in mass 10x

[amber fractal]

I did see a lorge chungus on the site that has a different ratio, I think that is the one I drew as it is much wider

[fast pagoda]

lorge chungus lmao

[amber fractal]

Oh, I could have used the 7.5W numbers the entire time

[fast pagoda]

ye

[amber fractal]

It is just thicker

and that is kinda a non issue here

[fast pagoda]

that's how i lik eit

[stray dragon]

just entomb the entire pc in copper

[fast pagoda]

now we're talking about a real heatsink

[amber fractal]

Final update (real) 2

[silent cloak]

heatsink when it meets heatfloat

[fast pagoda]

there's no way someone hasn't thought of something like this in the moneysphere surrounding these things and yet datacenter still uses liquid cooling for the thiccest racks

i guess though you'd have to think more along the lines of getting that heat out of the building not just away from the cpu

or gpu

was reading about ironwood the other day and hot damn that'd be something to mess with

still uses liquid cooling in those racks tho

[opaque sigil]

Sounds like a lot of effort when you can just blow air at metal

[fast pagoda]

https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/systems/enabling-1-mw-it-racks-and-liquid-cooling-at-ocp-emea-summit wew lad

1mw per rack lmao

[amber fractal]

My bet is that it'd never make it to market because it would be far too expensive

[fast pagoda]

they havent even gotten the small version to market

so that probably checks out

[opaque sigil]

How much does one of those tpus draw again

Wasn't it like 700w

[amber fractal]

ig if you ignore the fan's existance then you could double by going in both directions

[fast pagoda]

probably, it's 2 chips per "unit" with 192gb hbm each

[amber fractal]

Or just place on the side

[fast pagoda]

and each chip is a 4600 tflop monster

they say the full "pod " uses 10mw and that's a 42.5 exaflop system with almost 10k of the ironwood chips so i guess some math could be done there

[opaque sigil]

Little under a kW

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Hi Sam

[olive sable]

hello

[fast pagoda]

i wonder what type of fp we're talking when they say 4,614 TFLOPs for one of those chips

[olive sable]

i am up to date on dan da dan now

[fast pagoda]

inb4 fp8

[amber fractal]

fp4

[opaque sigil]

probably fp4

[fast pagoda]

even better

it carefully does not seem to ever specify on their announcements

[amber fractal]

fp4 sparse actually

gotta make the number look bigger

[stray dragon]

this looks like more of an engine than a rack lol

[opaque sigil]

Wait, if that's a 1MW rack full of ironwood chips

Then that thing houses a thousand chips

[fast pagoda]

makes it less impressive since blackwell gb100s blast out 20 pflops in 4bit precision or something

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but GPUs also don't really scale

[fast pagoda]

yeah not the way this thing is supposed to anyways

[amber fractal]

Until an AI system can actually horizontal or vertically scale without much penalty then we are in the forever timeloop.

[opaque sigil]

Vertical scaling is trivial

[fast pagoda]

well the current paradigm will never scale without an architecture shift to not require infinitely more memory bandwidth to scale

[amber fractal]

Yeah I guess to some degree, it still has a large issue in ^

[opaque sigil]

Just yell at the hbm manufacturers more, surely they can scale to infinity

Do we know how fast hbm4 is going to be

[fast pagoda]

2048 bit width

[tight tinsel]

weee

[fast pagoda]

6-10 gb/s depending on where you look and what you're talking about

oops

wwell

a full stack apparently can get like 1.6 TB/s

[tight tinsel]

(Not 100% confirmed get in but I don’t need to study like shit and compete with other people)

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/macgruber-im-in-imin-gif-24174214

[fast pagoda]

HBM4 will double the data lines to 2,048, with announced data rates up to 6.4 Gb/s. This will raise the bandwidth per HBM4 device to 1.6 TB/s, so that a GPU with 8 HBM4 devices will achieve an aggregate memory bandwidth of over 13 TB/s.

[opaque sigil]

Hmm so it's a flat 2x improvement

I like the sound of that

[amber fractal]

About expected with data transport systems

[fast pagoda]

they literally just doubled the width kek

scaling achieved

[flint dome]

doohickey corporation activities

[fast pagoda]

having 1.77 PB of available shared memory sounds like fun

Google has built in 1.2TBps of I/O bandwidth to allow a system to scale up to 9,216 chips per pod without glue logic. That configuration reaches a whopping 42.5 exaflops of performance.

Memory capacity also scales impressively. Across a pod, Ironwood offers 1.77PB of directly addressable HBM. That level sets a new record for shared memory supercomputers, and is enabled by optical circuit switches linking racks together.

i could train like 600 echos at once and not even notice

they need to hurry it up with photonic optics for memory

too bad quantum entanglement doesn't actually transfer information

[olive sable]

anyone want another cheap 3090?

[fast pagoda]

i heard theyre planning on a 24gb 5080 super soon

[amber fractal]

Gonna be mega expensive tho

[fast pagoda]

that's inherent to current hell reality we live in

im guessing 1500 msrp for the lulz

maybe well get lucky and it's 1200 or something

[amber fractal]

Nah 1500 is probably correct

[fast pagoda]

50% more memory for 50% more cost

and 50% more jensen huang gold lined leather jackets

[olive sable]

Well if anyone wants it ping me

Im going to bed now tho

[tender river]

good night

[tender river]

only if its free

[olive sable]

Too bad it isnt free

[fast pagoda]

spend your speaker budget on it and give it to me

[amber fractal]

nyope

[olive sable]

And there's probably 40 buckd un shipping fees and transportation for my ass to he get it

[olive sable]

I dont work for free

[fast pagoda]

you WHAT

[olive sable]

Typo

Fuck

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

My phone is azerty but pc is qwerty

[fast pagoda]

b-but why

[olive sable]

Idk why, just never bothred to fix it

[fast pagoda]

"wow this keyboard is totally unusable, oh well" - u

that's crazy

[olive sable]

Belgium just has azerty as standart

[fast pagoda]

i thought it was french or something

[olive sable]

Well

Kinda

[fast pagoda]

im boutta swap to dvorak on a split keyboard like a boss

[olive sable]

Its not the exact same but we need the french accent keys and stuff

[fast pagoda]

i have ñ memorized because my wow character used to use it in its name (name was a spanish word)

that's the only accent i ever use regularly lol

[hard raptor]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/this-is-my-new-favorite-way-to-run-windows-apps-on-my-linux-pc-how-it-works/

All i see is

• wine
• wine
• steam wine
• vm
• docker-clone

[tender river]

all i see is people enjoying more seamless integration with less setup quirks let them be

[hard raptor]

I mean the last one does seem interesting

Oh wait this isn't even the article i read where they listed all of em

[fast pagoda]

i spent about 3 hours with winboat failing to install

[hard raptor]

Whattefrick

[hard raptor]

Yeah but you have nothing but linux skill issues

[fast pagoda]

so true

[hard raptor]

Anyways.. imma go again now

[tender river]

its not a skill issue

linux just smells fear

[fast pagoda]

the issue was something with my docker

so id say not technically winboat's fault

i was gonna try again with a fresh docker install

but i dont want to reboot till this wiki import finishes

and oh boy is it not finished

i think it can resume if it's stopped but also i saw talk of it being unreliable with large files

and idk if 13 gb counts as large but it's 13 gb

[tender river]

what are you importing to

[fast pagoda]

mediawiki

i just used the import script, idk why it's so slow

it's only using 1 thread

i know that for sure

[tender river]

is it like a custom xml dump

[fast pagoda]

wikiteam3 dump to xml

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

wikiteam3 are (were) part of mediawiki org

so im pretty sure it's the standard dump format for mediawiki

[tender river]

isnt mediawiki php too

[fast pagoda]

it is

1d23 hours

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm

Im trying to fix note js script

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/saveweb/wikiteam3/
the dump of the wiki to xml was magnitudes faster even with 1.5s delay i kept for rate limiting on the dump

but their tool doesnt include a way to restore the backup

it just says use import lule

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

Code dumping rate is high

I will back soon

[nocturne olive]

Too broke right now unfortunately

[hollow spruce]

PS 5 ?

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[scarlet arch]

The magic of using Backoff instead of a straight up sleep

[stark needle]

@unkempt citrus i was destroyed by the single question

this was a DSA² level difficulty question

back to the job search lmao

[unkempt citrus]

Oof

thats a rip

Small chance they'll expect that and aare assessing how well you fail

[hollow spruce]

Bot is working

[unkempt citrus]

but its unfortunnate

[stark needle]

it wasnt even a standard DSA question

there's no way this is related in any way to the job

[unkempt citrus]

Oh 100% its not

its just a selected competency assessment to weed out people who suck

[stark needle]

so i suck lol

[unkempt citrus]

though sometimes their standards might be a bit high

[scarlet arch]

okay one more because the improvement is insane... I'll stop posting it now though haha

[stark needle]

the question was the kind of thing someone would do in a week long project

[unkempt citrus]

If your assessment is accurate, I think they will give partial marks

or theyre looking for a rockstar

[stark needle]

i mean i get surely there's some complex math way of solving this quickly but

yeah it's unlike anything ive ever seen on leetcode

[unkempt citrus]

https://vxtwitter.com/insanenredacted/status/1965073609057345696

KJGD | fudgesquared//DKTRPEACE (@insanenredacted)

im on the verge of tears man what is wrong with this thing

QRT: Sauers_
A tip when using Gemini as a coding agent is giving it emotional support. Without this, it tends to panic and irrevocably delete all of its work in a fit of despair. It needs to know it is doing a good job

vxTwitter / fixvx 💖 40 🔁 4 · Sep 8, 2025, 3:23 PM

[silent cloak]

my internal thoughts when i have to work on something i really dont want to

[hard raptor]

Nah fonyon definitely has a skill issue (i won't leak dms tho)

[hard raptor]

Alright

Lets rewrite php in python, then rewrite nodejs in that php rewritten in python, and then rewrite php on the nodejs rewritten in php rewritten in pythom

[tender river]

rejected

dont want to

[hard raptor]

Nah.. you can't stop me

I already started

[tender river]

[hard raptor]

Bonus points to make it all interpreted

No bytecode no JIT Compilation

[tender river]

good luck implementing php

heres the Gender class

[hard raptor]

They all genders

Netherlands is a gender

Lmao

They forgor ender_dragon tho

[tender river]

integer

define your own

[hard raptor]

Hehe

[hard raptor]

Wait.. in what file is that even located?

[tender river]

https://pecl.php.net/package/gender

[hard raptor]

Omg

You tricked me

[jagged turtle]

me everyday

[hard raptor]

That is an extension you dummy

[hard raptor]

I can't even look at the source code

[tender river]

svn

[rigid snow]

any country

[maiden geyser]

it screams sin. it craves happiness.

[hard raptor]

Friggin GNU Savannah

[tender river]

savannah allows git

decision to use cvs/svn up to project

[silent cloak]

love those old slop websites

[hard raptor]

I see this when opening the source code for mercurial

Lmao

[silent cloak]

[tender river]

people interested in gnu wouldnt care about redesign

and hate it if it uses js or fancy css

[silent cloak]

yeah but the footer aint the footer

if anything its closer to the center of the page

[tender river]

tables

[maiden geyser]

40 years of 32-bit x86 just for this?

[silent cloak]

must be made in spring

[rigid snow]

why need flexbox when table do trick

[tender river]

need more genders defined 32 bits wasted on php

[tender river]

does it really

[rigid snow]

[silent cloak]

average springboot java website

[rigid snow]

ultra corporate in a cozy way

[silent cloak]

no need for a footer when u got a center

[tender river]

4:3 web design

maybe good on a smartphone

[silent cloak]

doubtful

flex is a term that is very alien to them

[rigid snow]

i don't actually know how to extend it to the bottom without css3

[silent cloak]

im surprised the website isnt actually constrained to 4:3

[rigid snow]

probably not possible

[tender river]

sidebars seem to be gone from the modern web (except webapps)

too unportable

[silent cloak]

tbh this is expcted from a site still using php

[rigid snow]

it just relocated and became the header bar, functionally the same thing

still doesn't fit on mobile ...

[silent cloak]

i dont use any bars on websites i make

[tender river]

which is interesting because screens got wider instead

[silent cloak]

its all voice activated

[hard raptor]

Make em collapsible for mobile clients

[tender river]

two webdevs walk into a bar

ouch

[hard raptor]

They forgor to center their divs

[silent cloak]

i cant do front-end work

because that requires artistic creativity

[hard raptor]

Oh i can

[silent cloak]

something i traded in with my skill tree

[hard raptor]

It's just boring for me

[silent cloak]

i can do quite literally anything else

advanced machine learning research game and 3d development

but ask me to do UX/UI and im stumped

[rigid snow]

ok but real talk collapsible sidebars suck on mobile, header menus suck even more, which is why google finally grew up somewhere around android 9 and decided to copy bottom navigation from apple which they got correctly from the beginning like 13 years ago at that point

[tender river]

you mean gesture nav

[silent cloak]

i flip my phone off to go to home page

its a gesture it can understand

[noble zodiac]

I don't see the big problem with sidebars on mobile tbh

[tender river]

im used to sidebars on phone they arent a thing on mobile linux though

[hollow spruce]

Mobile is linux

[rigid snow]

i mean this thing

[hollow spruce]

?

[silent cloak]

looks like some ancient sony dvd player ui

[tender river]

android still android if you switch linux to fuchsia

[silent cloak]

or windows vista

[hollow spruce]

Main.js

Is worst

[noble zodiac]

tbf they had to put the navigation on the bottom since phones keep getting bigger and thumbs, suprisingly, dont

[rigid snow]

they put it on the bottom on the og iphone

[hollow spruce]

Bye guys minutes to fix command on main.js

[tender river]

i distinctly remember nav buttons (back button/etc) being at the top

[rigid snow]

you could reach anywhere with your thumb on the og iphone, it's just more convenient at the bottom

[silent cloak]

i miss my droid razer now

[rigid snow]

yeah the back button is but it's not for you to tap

[silent cloak]

had the coolest bootup sequence ever for a phone

[rigid snow]

you swipe from the left edge to go back

[tender river]

[noble zodiac]

I only swipe right

[rigid snow]

you swipe right, from the left edge

[noble zodiac]

yes and I only swipe right

[rigid snow]

you do from the center

i do from the left edge

not the same thing

[silent cloak]

i just throw my phone against the wall

[tender river]

i swipe in lots of different directions i hate sxmo

i dont use my phone often enough to remember all this

[silent cloak]

never use that shit

[noble zodiac]

tinder power user

[silent cloak]

lmao

it the mobile version of vim

[tender river]

worst part is the latency

you swipe and then you wait for it to detect it

and it doesnt detect it half of the time

[silent cloak]

i got this thing with my smart watch that is like that but better

[tender river]

my custom setup with sway and tabs is so much better

[silent cloak]

because i can use hand gestures without touching the watch

[tender river]

no gestures just buttons

the only problem is sway and waybar are bad

dont care enough to rewrite

[rigid snow]

have you considered uhhhhh

using a proper phone wm

[tender river]

like what

i remember seeing one written in rust

[rigid snow]

phosh, plasma mobile

[tender river]

not wm de

[rigid snow]

right

[tender river]

mobile linux des are very bad

they feel clunky and buggy

custom sway = feels fine

[rigid snow]

i can't comprehend this

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latency

[silent cloak]

arent all mobile linux repos dead

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no

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i havent seen one in forever because they usually suck

[tender river]

also did you mean distros

[rigid snow]

(i am iphone user pls be patient)

[tender river]

postmarketos - alive and well
ubtouch - alive and well
mobian - alive and well
mobile nixos - dead and well

[silent cloak]

normal linux is only now being able to support normal things so ill give mobile linux 10 years before its usable

[tender river]

no mainline drivers is the problem

all drivers written for android

still no 5g linux phone i think

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its also there not being any decent ecosystem

which is the main reason

[tender river]

you can use waydroid

[silent cloak]

good one

[tender river]

im doing just fine but if you want mobile banking you wont see it like ever

[silent cloak]

my goal is to swap to GrapheneOS in the next year

[rigid snow]

honestly all it takes is someone to build a de that's actually sane and not an experimental mess, not using desktop ui toolkits, etc, like copy what actual phones do

bad hw support can be tolerated if it actually feels fine to use

[silent cloak]

if i can build my own phone there wont be an issue

otherwise i dont think linux mobile is anywhere near consumer ready

[tender river]

people are still focusing on convergence which is not going well though because nobody thinks of phones when writing apps

[silent cloak]

id argue it aint even in our solar system yet

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

waydroid is fine

good even

[silent cloak]

compat layers will suck on mobile

and wayland is known for breaking

so not quite there yet

[tender river]

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

dont want to break = dont use mobile linux

or linux in general

[noble zodiac]

yee, my phone is the last thing I want to spontaniously combust on me for no reason. Hence I don't bother with any custom mobile linux or whatever

[silent cloak]

linux wont ever be consumer friendly until they implement the ability to not randomly break for no reason

it loves to simply stop working

[tender river]

too fragmented

wont happen

use stable distros for stable linux

[rough bloom]

I hope Microsoft manages to do this someday too

[silent cloak]

then we need something better to replace windows

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no such thing

[rigid snow]

debian

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updates sometimes just brick ur device for no good reason

[noble zodiac]

there are plenty of stable linux distros

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ive used tons of debian based distros

[tender river]

kernel updates?

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they still just randomly brick

im convinced they have a random counter that runs on boot

[rigid snow]

skill device issue

[tender river]

mhm corpos use debian and rhel and it works just fine

[silent cloak]

for server use yes

[rigid snow]

computer is computer...

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desktop distros just suck still

[noble zodiac]

and on linux you can actually see why something fails and do fix it

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the worlds most brittle code

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sometimes they just dont boot anymore

[noble zodiac]

even that can be debugged

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easier to just shove a usb in and reinstall it

resets the internal bricking timer that im convinced every linux desktop distro has

[rigid snow]

are you sure you're using debian and not arch

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yes

ive used both

[rigid snow]

i have literally had 0 issues with debian

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idk if it fucks the bootloader randomly or they just publish bricking kernal updates sometimes

but ive had so many different brands of hardware over the years of laptops just simply break

[rigid snow]

outside of maybe not up to date software in repos but that's the point

[silent cloak]

usually after a simple update

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if you dont bother to debug you cant claim its debian issue

[silent cloak]

again if it cant support name brand hardware its just slop

[rigid snow]

but it can

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it can

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yes if u start with it

updates are a game of russian roulette tho

u get the rare patch that patches ur os from booting

[noble zodiac]

skill issue tbh

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thats why i refuse to store anything important on linux desktop distros

ill use them for travel

that is all

[rigid snow]

i wish i got a 512gb macbook so i could dualboot asahi 256 not enough

[tender river]

256

[silent cloak]

mac

[rigid snow]

look it's fine for what i do

just not enough to cram another os in

[tender river]

it can be fine but i remember 40gb /target directories

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i just rm -r them when i'm done

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2tb for data and 1tb for system files

[noble zodiac]

thats the bakushin spirit

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https://tenor.com/view/manjaro-users-pc-when-they-gif-22374154

hoping steamos comes to desktop in the next few years

[rigid snow]

same stupid take as ltt, just use another distro... or use steamos already, it works...

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stupid reply

valve is carrying with proton

[rigid snow]

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and the current steamos is not for desktop

just the old one

[rigid snow]

what do you mean by this

booting into game mode by default?

[silent cloak]

the current supported steamos is the one used on their hardware and a few other types of hardware

but it is very unstable on desktop

[umbral thorn]

[tender river]

hi elvyn

[tender river]

proton not directly related to steamos

[silent cloak]

not directly no but its a big part of why they are working on it

[rare bramble]

very anectdotal, but I bricked my linux dual boot 3 times in the first week I had it. Though I was trying to install ROCm on it and I was very new to linux, that may have something to do with it. but still, never managed to break windows despite trying with regedits and stuff