programming

[silent cloak]

I got a big todo list beyond just VS2

[sage crag]

this account is only 2 days old

🤔

[rigid snow]

what would happen if one mails konii a sample of their dna

[olive sable]

the github will always be up you know

[tender river]

f2

[sage crag]

sorry its hard to count

not 2 days old, like 20

[silent cloak]

devs aint the best at that

just look at array indicies

[olive sable]

nah array indices are based

[silent cloak]

which

[olive sable]

starting at 0 is good

[sage crag]

alex has some of your code, you must be tony

the unpaid intern

[silent cloak]

i dont work for alex

[rigid snow]

starting at 1 is good
starting at 2 is good

[tender river]

good because you would get fired

[sage crag]

twitch api, works with streamers

[silent cloak]

so many people in here fit that

[olive sable]

1 i can understand, but if you start at 2 i will defenestrate you out of my office

[silent cloak]

including some of the lot here rn

[sage crag]

great, im lost

too generic programmer

[rigid snow]

starting at 3 is bad
starting at 4 is good

[sage crag]

strong opinions on javascript, apis, minecraft servers

[olive sable]

are you insane? get out

[silent cloak]

i have strong opinions on most things

[sage crag]

connections with soda, alex, various streamers

working on vedal's secret 2

[olive sable]

hmmm

shadowlilac init?

[tender river]

sbin

[sage crag]

too employed

[olive sable]

no

[silent cloak]

again im on a separate thing to avoid being terrorized so ive avoided giving myself away

[olive sable]

shaow is unemployed rn

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

to be fair i am running on like 3 hours of sleep in the past 24 hours so

[sage crag]

exactly

[olive sable]

oh, you mean that cipher is too employed?

[glass flower]

i will not allow godot slander. godot is the best engine for indie devs bar-none

[silent cloak]

sorry chum

IL2CPP

thats all

[glass flower]

thats not a response...

[rigid snow]

uh oh we can’t have another chat war today

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

i like sdkman's splash

[glass flower]

i know what Il2CPP is... but what is your argument...

[olive sable]

godot is a fine engine, unity is decent. but both pale in comparison to my pure performance.

[sage crag]

rai_byte

[silent cloak]

stuck with JIT

[fast pagoda]

i did not like godot's editor at all

[silent cloak]

same

or its scripting

[fast pagoda]

im sure you can get used to it but

it put me off pretty hard immediately

[silent cloak]

the whole node tree like setup im not a fan of

[glass flower]

and thats a problem?

[sage crag]

subathon counter

[silent cloak]

means u cant squeeze performance where its sometimes needed and not all platforms support JIT

[glass flower]

you can get more performance in godot than you can in unity. just because of how open the engine is

[silent cloak]

i can use Burst and jobs for some complicated and heavy work too

[olive sable]

using a bloated engine in general means you cant squeeze performance

[silent cloak]

thats mostly with disk size

[sage crag]

erf thinking too hard

[fast pagoda]

there are so many graals

[silent cloak]

also godot dropped webm support like a bunch of monsters

[rigid snow]

not all platforms support JIT

it’s basically only ios because apple sucks

[silent cloak]

they only support the ugliest and most unused format known to man

ogv

[fast pagoda]

eww that's a steve jobs approved action

[silent cloak]

that alone made me ditch it

[glass flower]

who uses webm lol

[silent cloak]

or anything else

u could only use ogv

[fast pagoda]

webm is great

[olive sable]

just use mp4 like the rest of us

[fast pagoda]

what's wrong with webm

[silent cloak]

which for a 2D animated game (this is for an old job i had) was terrible

[fast pagoda]

other than ios refusing to support it because apple is dumb

[rigid snow]

webm slander

[silent cloak]

id rather webm any day than ogv

[glass flower]

why would use use webm or ogv...

[silent cloak]

ogv is forced on godot

[rigid snow]

what is this referring to, webkit? i have webms playing in apps

[fast pagoda]

at least historically if i linked a webm in discord etc it does not play on ios

[fast pagoda]

it's just a download

[olive sable]

i have become uninterested in the identity situation, imma watch some anime

[rigid snow]

oh yeah that's true

[sage crag]

gah

[fast pagoda]

you have to open it in safari

because of some arbitrary apple bs

[uneven pulsar]

guh

[silent cloak]

i guess webm was too complicated for them to develop support for

[sage crag]

i give up on deciphering you (pun intended)

[silent cloak]

somehow

[sage crag]

im always watching

[tender river]

the only c# person i have interacted with in here is scrub so i dont care who you are

[rigid snow]

this seems like a discord issue because as i said i have webm playback in multiple other apps and safari seems to play them too

[olive sable]

do we even know your real account? cuz if we dont then what is the point?

[fast pagoda]

vedaulh

[silent cloak]

godot

[glass flower]

i see... honestly i never had a workload to require video playing. but they literally say you can extend it to play h264 or whatever with gdextensions

[tender river]

not here

[sage crag]

i considered this but i decided its probably too much information

[rigid snow]

oops wrong reply mb

[rigid snow]

meant to reply to this

[olive sable]

i guess, but i dont think i could decipher it without having known the other account

[sage crag]

im frustrated but not unemployed enough to think about this longer

[olive sable]

i am unemployed enough, but i do have actual work to do

[silent cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404155879774748896/1412429897120485514/GzzeEb5XMAARXPC-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1377728467025530950/NewLeafAbyss.gif

[olive sable]

or well, self-obligated work

im not getting paid to make my vulkan angine

[sage crag]

all work is self obligated

[rigid snow]

slavery

[sage crag]

if you dont want to work there is an alternative

[olive sable]

in my opinion no, cuz a job gives you money which you need to survive. i get my money by freeloading so i dont actiually have to work

i do so anywyas

[rigid snow]

jak overload

ding ding ding

[sage crag]

survival is self obligated

[olive sable]

survival is one of the base instinct in living creatures, because the ones that didn't have that died

[silent cloak]

source???

proof????

[sage crag]

well, i dont want to discuss this too far because automod will get involved

[glass flower]

https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/108600 seems like someone is atleast working on bringing proper video support to godot

[silent cloak]

finally

[glass flower]

tho looks like it just converts to OGV from mp4 internally using ffmpeg

[olive sable]

fair

[silent cloak]

so its the same shit but with performance impacts

[glass flower]

its only in the editor. no runtime performance impact

it gets converted when you import the video

[silent cloak]

so no real support

they have a long way to go before i use it

[olive sable]

brother wtf do you have with tongues? why do all the gifs you send have them?

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/zesty-cat-niklas-cat-tongue-gif-9842551414196208576

[olive sable]

nah

[glass flower]

i feel like its just that playing videos is not really a common usecase so.. noone works on it

[rigid snow]

👅

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/corrupt-gif-12706458079914147882

[olive sable]

weird mf

[olive sable]

im glad i dont understand your level of thinking

ill consider it a compliment

[silent cloak]

how i feel in this channel rn

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

bro has a 10gb reaction image folder

[silent cloak]

u have no idea

[olive sable]

lemme get some snacks

[fast pagoda]

reaction folder is forbidden in this discord

i gets me zepplin'd

[silent cloak]

i have enough organization to cherry pick

[glass flower]

there is also this: https://github.com/EIRTeam/EIRTeam.FFmpeg

[fast pagoda]

the horrors

[fast pagoda]

20 years is a long time to be saving things without really organizing them

most i've done is script organizing things by filetype and date once in a while

[silent cloak]

i just drop em in the right folders once in a while

[fast pagoda]

for me that's hwen i reinstall system usually but that has just left me with folders of backups x9000 it's too scary

[rigid snow]

i think it’s time to create stay on topic images like the ones in nn but for programming

[fast pagoda]

scripting folder organization

baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasically programming

maybe

[rigid snow]

wasn’t a direct reply to you

[fast pagoda]

if you consider bash scripting to be close enough

[glass flower]

i just had a brainblast... since mp4 or such isn't supported in godot. why not extract every image of the video and then have a texture node for every frame and then disable them 30/s to simulate a video player

[rigid snow]

no

[tender river]

...because video formats are more compact

[fast pagoda]

reinvented the gif

[tender river]

no

gif is better

[glass flower]

well... but if it works. who cares

[rigid snow]

anyone remember motion jpeg

[fast pagoda]

the only bideo gaem video format for me

[glass flower]

(i might unironically implement something like that for my project since it seems to be the most performant solution tbh)

[fast pagoda]

bink video is still in development

[glass flower]

oh right... its used in unreal afaik

[silent cloak]

gotta organize discord too

how i organize friends

[fast pagoda]

i will never know if that's a real site because i will never check

[silent cloak]

idk either

but its the only name i could of given Hana

[fast pagoda]

epic bought bink in 2021

that's crazy

for some reason all these arbitrary proprietary formats used in gamedev have always been interesting to me

probably just for the fact that they aren't really used outside of their niche and also arent very transparent if you're not a b2b customer about what the actual capabilities of them are

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-to-decompile-how-it-feels-to-decompile-games-clickteam-ctfak-decompiling-gif-15729877305691901630

[fast pagoda]

bink claims decoding frametime of 4 ms on cpu only for a 4k video

[silent cloak]

i thought u said bing ngl

[fast pagoda]

i would never

but 4ms is like gpu decoding speed for most formats, that's neat

probably just doesnt actually do much in the way of compressing or anything that requires work to decode

[silent cloak]

so many good formats hide behind patents and other bs

[glass flower]

honestly i just tried godots ogv thingy. and its decently good. good enough for my usecase tbh

[hollow spruce]

Bink ?

[fast pagoda]

h265 cpu software decoding is like 50+ ms per frame kek

av1 over 100

vp9 manages 10-20

[silent cloak]

for a game that involves a lot of video though for 1080p anime styled animations its terrible

[fast pagoda]

https://www.radgametools.com/bnkmain.htm proprietary video container/codec combo that is used in many games, especially Unreal since epic bought the company that created it in 2021

[silent cloak]

Telemetry

[glass flower]

that sounds like a very very specific usecase that if you want to use godot you would probably want to write a gdextension for it anyway

[fast pagoda]

seems pretty informative https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RE04LQffZfs

this is an 8 year old video though

[silent cloak]

looks like the Unity one

ngl

[fast pagoda]

i mean if you need telemetry

this guy has you covered

so just contact tayferret

[silent cloak]

there were a lot of situations that godot just wasnt able to cover

especially with that whole job

which used alot of advanced 2D animation

[glass flower]

the right tool for the right job. godot isn't mature enough yet to cover every usecase. but for a lot of people it will be good or even better than unity at stuff

[silent cloak]

idk if its at the better phase yet

besides disk size

and licence

its been catching up for a while

[glass flower]

disk size? license?

[silent cloak]

the engine is smaller and you dont need to buy a license

[glass flower]

oh thats what you meant

idk when you last used it

[silent cloak]

tbh those are the only appealing things to me if i were to move to it

[glass flower]

like what version

but every major version is like a giant leap forward

[silent cloak]

uhhh maybe the start of 2024?

possibly a bit before

ive only played with it a few times in earlier versions

[fast pagoda]

sounds like a VN time for ren'py

[silent cloak]

but that was the era where i was thinking about actually using it

[fast pagoda]

idk you said you had to play a lot of 1080p anime videos

sounded kinda vm-adjacent

vm

vn

even

[silent cloak]

it was a VM but with more to it

which renpy couldnt do

[glass flower]

early 2024/late 2023 seems to be 4.2 godot. so not too far from the current 4.4/4.5 release

[silent cloak]

yeah sounds about right

4.2 i think

[glass flower]

its not like a completely different engine since then but there were a lot of nice QOL and features added since 4.2

[fast pagoda]

last time i was going to use godot for a simple 2nd thing i ended up using https://solar2d.com/

which used to be called corona but unfortunately had to change name a few years ago for reasons

lol

[silent cloak]

tbh other than Unity id probably just use my own framework or engine

[fast pagoda]

"bro why does this fking extension have an update EVERY DAY" - me 2 seconds before i read the name of the js/ts extension i have installed rn

[silent cloak]

tbh i dont even touch vscode anymore

[fast pagoda]

i havent been able to find anything i like more still that also lets you swap languages so freely

[glass flower]

its the nightly version. it gets updated everytime the repo gets pushed probably

[silent cloak]

vscode is average with all but the best at nothing

[fast pagoda]

yeah that was the point of writing "before i read the name of it"

[fast pagoda]

just like me fr

[silent cloak]

jetbrains is working on their own alternative but id rather use specialized IDEs

[fast pagoda]

i did like jetbrains pycharm w/ python

[silent cloak]

webstorm for js/ts

[fast pagoda]

webstorm was good too

webstorm is just no subscription right i think pycharm the issue was that i didnt want to pay for essentially the same shit i was doing in vscode

[silent cloak]

Rider for C# also shows me the IL code that is generated

CLion for C/C++ can show me the size in bytes for everything

its the little things like that for me

[glass flower]

vscode does the same

[fast pagoda]

you can surely get an extension for that

[glass flower]

isn't that just a language server feature?

[fast pagoda]

but ootb jetbrains has a nice config so i get it

[silent cloak]

tbh i dont like vscode for anything that needs a compiler

(and the built in spyware)

[glass flower]

i use vscode for everything. if it needs text i use vscode.

[silent cloak]

i used to do that for some stuff

[fast pagoda]

i cant use visual studio thicc edition anymore being on linux unless winboat somehow works wit it

[silent cloak]

except with sublime

visual studio is good but these days Rider does the job

[fast pagoda]

i use kate for random text crap, kate seems to be very configurable to the point it could probably function like a vscode

i havent tried to test that tho

i used np++ on wandows ofc for the same stuff as kate

[silent cloak]

jetbrains also has the only proper rust IDE rn too

still none for Zig

[fast pagoda]

have to install docker to use winboat

this is so sad

[silent cloak]

why

[fast pagoda]

strong dislike of docker

[silent cloak]

i mean why do u need them

also what did docker do to u

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/TibixDev/winboat

to use this

or try it out anyways

Before running WinBoat, ensure your system meets the following requirements:

RAM: At least 4 GB of RAM
CPU: At least 2 CPU threads
Storage: At least 32 GB free space in /var
Virtualization: KVM enabled in BIOS/UEFI
How to enable virtualization
Docker: Required for containerization
Installation Guide
Docker Compose v2: Required for compatibility with docker-compose.yml files
Installation Guide
Docker User Group: Add your user to the docker group
Setup Instructions
FreeRDP: Required for remote desktop connection (Please make sure you have Version 3.x.x with sound support included)
Installation Guide
Kernel Modules: iptables and iptable_nat modules must be loaded
Module loading instructions

[silent cloak]

is it just a facade for wine

[fast pagoda]

nope

[silent cloak]

good

[glass flower]

vscode works for rust

[fast pagoda]

that's what i thought at first too

[amber fractal]

Looks like screensharing a VM

[silent cloak]

yeah but i meant a proper IDE fully for it

[fast pagoda]

it seems to basically run the windows app in a vm

in a container

[silent cloak]

i can search cargo in it along with other useful shit

[fast pagoda]

im sure you mean built in without any config but le terminal
and usually for any given random thing there's an extension that'll do it for vsc
hard to escape it because of that

[silent cloak]

hopefully with less exploits than wine

[fast pagoda]

im just hoping it lets me run paint.NET

that's the only application i have missed from windows

literally the only one

[silent cloak]

u can probably make a better one

[fast pagoda]

people have tried

[silent cloak]

templeOS has one

cant be that hard

[fast pagoda]

my applauncher uses the holy logo

right next to fuzzyclock

[amber fractal]

I've considered making something close to a paint program, but haven't really gotten started on it yet.

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

only legends know

[tender river]

no

[fast pagoda]

mozilla ate the navigator

[tender river]

it isnt really obscure

[olive sable]

if i were to make a paint-like program, id make it for use on ym tablet with the pen thingy

[silent cloak]

it is for the younger people here

[fast pagoda]

GIMP can seemingly mechanically do everything PDN did and likely more, it is quite powerful

but they forgor how to make a ui that isn't trash garbage

[silent cloak]

REAL

[tender river]

just use krita if you dont like gimp's ui

[olive sable]

gimp just has a high barrier of entry imo.

[fast pagoda]

i do

but krita has its own problems

[tender river]

i use krita for drawing and gimp for editing

[amber fractal]

I think both have very obtuse UI designs.

[fast pagoda]

mostly what i'm looking to do is editing stuff which krita really isn't designed for although it can do

it's slightly less obtuse than gimp though

[silent cloak]

lets all band together and make our own

it wont die out in a week

[tender river]

nope i'm fine with gimp

[olive sable]

im pretty sure i have a photoshop subscription already or soon because i need it for college

[wide flicker]

On god though (signed someone who also took the PDN -> GIMP pipeline)

[fast pagoda]

the closest one ive found for linux for far is lazpaint

https://lazpaint.github.io/

[amber fractal]

I won't say I have PS

[fast pagoda]

written in free pascal which is cool

[silent cloak]

i have PS just not normally

[olive sable]

erm

[fast pagoda]

someone posted photoshop 2019 on the AUR or something

[silent cloak]

it kind of just appeared one day

how did it get there

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

yeah nothing seems to beat pdn in terms of simplicity of use while having the capabilities it does

a lot of it is being used to it of course

but i have genuinely been trying to get used to gimp for literally years off and on

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-photoshop-tutorials-shortcut-reality-gif-4395919

[olive sable]

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/jungkook-cat-human-nsfw-fake-gif-20986544

[olive sable]

im pretty sure they will teach us photoshop durrign the lesson hours so im probably fine

[fast pagoda]

lazpaint running on my system

problem with it

is that it's buggy

[silent cloak]

fork it

[amber fractal]

I'm in the boat to where GIMP is the best I have but I'm considering building out software for my own case.

[fast pagoda]

i am so far from knowing anything about lazarus/free pascal

feel like chay randomly is about to be like oh yeah my favourite

[tender river]

no

pascal feels like the kind of language people who dont want to learn a second language would use

[silent cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/meta-metadigital-meta-digital-web-design-website-gif-15397534546089764534

[fast pagoda]

i saw some haskell packages earlier and it was some wild scientific random shit, thought of you

[tender river]

mhm haskell is good

[amber fractal]

I've been considering some vulkan based editor because I rely heavily on filters.

[fast pagoda]

is it just particularly good for stuff like this, i was searching prism and found these, they tend to pop up and it's always some shit like this

[amber fractal]

-# Ah yes I love being able to import 3d models into photoshop

[fast pagoda]

always random scientific calculations or physics related things

[tender river]

lens is a concept you won't even find in most other languages

its not physics

prisms is not physics as well

[fast pagoda]

so it's just a haskell thing

[tender river]

yup

think of it as uuh

reflection

but safe

kinda

[silent cloak]

grandpa coded that

with EMACs

[fast pagoda]

fr though it feels like something written in the 60s in FORTRAN or something every time i see a haskell package

[silent cloak]

probably is

[tender river]

haskell wasnt even popular before like 2010

maybe 2005

its advancements in pl theory are only being implemented now in some languages

[fast pagoda]

it has that grandpa coder energy tho

[tender river]

spj is a grandpa coder

[fast pagoda]

the crazy eyes of a fellow who has seen the truth

[silent cloak]

slenderman

[tender river]

you should watch some of his talks on yt

[fast pagoda]

im watching this rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSmkqocn0oQ

this guy seems like someone that would be on computerphile explaining some shit i'll never use and have never heard of

[silent cloak]

looks like one of the characters from meet the robinsons

[fast pagoda]

keep moving forward

[fast pagoda]

listening to people like this guy make me realize just how limited in scope i actually am in terms of overall knowledge and ability man

[tender river]

thats why i like learning stuff

[silent cloak]

i wish i could freeze time and take my time ot learn everything about a subject

[tender river]

you have more time than you think

its hard to use it though

[silent cloak]

not as much as id like

[fast pagoda]

that's true, all you can do is learn more and be cognizant of your own ability
hard to learn without acknowledging what your limitations are
the other day i was helping someone in this discord with a little utility and they ended up not needing to use it afterwards and they said sorry for wasting my time
and i was like ... that was not a waste of time? because i learned some things that i didn't know

[sage crag]

sorry is this linkedin

i thought i was in uh

[fast pagoda]

yes

[sage crag]

#programming

[silent cloak]

lmao

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

whats the difference

[fast pagoda]

i went on linkedin the other day

it was horrible

[sage crag]

ripbozo

[olive sable]

imagine needing to go on linkedin

[sage crag]

everyone there is so productive they automated their linkedin posting with agentic workflows

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

neuro should post to linkedin for vedal

[fast pagoda]

doxxed by neuro shitposting on ur linkedin

[silent cloak]

i doubt she has access to anything like that

[sage crag]

loud incorrect buzzer

[fast pagoda]

abitrary cli execution go brrr

[silent cloak]

she hallucinates

[sage crag]

[silent cloak]

saw the OG before if i recall

[fast pagoda]

not vedal censoring a random address that still is in england for the lulz

[silent cloak]

i mean yeah

[fast pagoda]

i mean we all know vedal is located in buckingham palace

[sage crag]

surely tutel would never do that

[silent cloak]

if vedal put any personal information into her dataset that would just be asking for it

[sage crag]

it wouldnt be dataset, it would be something like what's my ip on google

om

[fast pagoda]

mf got that sandbox + vpn to australia

[sage crag]

and a helping of filters

[silent cloak]

neuros backend is not local

[fast pagoda]

it's at least partially local

[silent cloak]

the frontend

[sage crag]

surely part of it is, otherwise vedal wouldnt need his specs

[silent cloak]

which is in Unity

but the LLM itself is backend

[sage crag]

you dont need a 4090 and 128gb of ram to run a unity project with a vtuber model

[fast pagoda]

depends on where the tool calls are actually being ran really, less the llm's inference

[silent cloak]

you kind of do depending on the case

[fast pagoda]

could easily be on the backend as well but

[sage crag]

makes sense to run them in the same place the llm inference is

no reason not to

its less moving parts

is neuro too coherent to be run entirely locally

im not sure about modern model capabilities

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm

[silent cloak]

she is 100% not locally ran

[hollow spruce]

Let me cheak neuro parameters
Hardware requirements

[sage crag]

right, good luck with that

[silent cloak]

most of the other shit if i recall is local though

and vedal just uses cloudflare zero trust for the control panel

[fast pagoda]

well if they interact with the greater framework i could see them being local as well but yeah

everything seems to be tunneled in such a way that it's probably fairly muddied depending on what is being done

based on the schizo diagrams he's made

[sage crag]

neurospaghetti

[fast pagoda]

for her speed she has to be running on something beefy

[hollow spruce]

H100 OR B200 ?

[fast pagoda]

she's almost predicting the future with her latency now (and might genuinely be doing some sort of speculative decoding ahead of time almost like a branch prediction but for the conversation lmao)

[hollow spruce]

Approx (1 to 3 second)

If she run locale then it will max 100 ms

[silent cloak]

not sure which base model she is running either

but ik its been redone a few times

[hollow spruce]

Py

[fast pagoda]

it's probably under a second from time that there's no longer any audio input from the conversation and the system starts to speak again

[sage crag]

her tts is at least local

though tts isnt expensive

[hollow spruce]

Nai

[silent cloak]

no

lmao

[fast pagoda]

her current tts is azure still no?

[silent cloak]

yes

[fast pagoda]

evil's might be local

[silent cloak]

no

azure lets you use custom models

[hollow spruce]

But highest quality voice like more take time
I rather say it is voice cloning

[sage crag]

evil is an rvc model though right? does azure support that?

[glass flower]

why would neuro not be local... what.

[silent cloak]

she isnt

[sage crag]

the There is a problem with my AI is prerecorded then

[fast pagoda]

neuro's latency is insane and she's probably a bigger model than most people realize

[hollow spruce]

What

[silent cloak]

no

[hollow spruce]

Give me voice samples

[glass flower]

how do you know?

[sage crag]

when he was having tls issues in unity it would still play there is a problem with my ai

[silent cloak]

because i know she isnt

[hollow spruce]

Is voice problem or model rate

[silent cloak]

for a fact

[fast pagoda]

for her ability at tool calling and juggling context and everything i still expect her to be at least 12-20b in size if not larger

[silent cloak]

parts of her are local yes

[sage crag]

cant make azure requests with unity when unity tls is acting up

[glass flower]

and i think she is... based on everything i know

[silent cloak]

factually wrong

[sage crag]

care to explain why though?

its not useful to just say "no"

[hollow spruce]

Let ask vedal for ?

[fast pagoda]

it's really really hard for a smaller model to be as consistent and proficient at the things she does without screwing up a lot more or losing the plot

[glass flower]

running a local ai model like neuro locally seems like the only smart and good way to go about it...

[silent cloak]

how do i explain without leaking

uhh

[sage crag]

its tony

[silent cloak]

vedal himself has said before that she is across several machines

[glass flower]

damn. you cracked it

[glass flower]

yes.. doesn't mean its not local

ofcourse he has multiple pc's

[silent cloak]

im talking about the AI backend

which is 100% not local

[glass flower]

sure bud

[sage crag]

unfortunately being distributed doesnt necessarily mean WAN, need something more concrete than that

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

I have girl sample maybe she will train ?

[glass flower]

still didn't explain how you are coming to that conclusion. im not seeing anything on stream that can't be ran locally

[sage crag]

apparently its "leaking" if explained so i guess we will never know

[glass flower]

we will never know the secrets

[fast pagoda]

i would expect you to be able to run a ~32b size model at q4 on a 4090 comfortably

as far as tokens/s i dont know but time to first token should be under a second with that

[glass flower]

didn't he literally build a pc with h100 in them on stream

[fast pagoda]

that was 4090s

[glass flower]

but he does have some no? maybe it was just a inside joke that im misremembering from like 2 years ago

[glass flower]

q6 should also fit i think

[fast pagoda]

some have speculated having like a dgx tucked under a counter

[fast pagoda]

probably

someone a while back was very passionately arguing that the turtle has one of these hidden in a closet somewhere running neuro https://www.nvidia.com/en-eu/data-center/dgx-h100/

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[amber fractal]

At least one of those needs to be a graphics card as neuro games on her own pc IIRC

[fast pagoda]

she's not exactly latency critical wrt her game inputs

at least coming from the llm

[hollow spruce]

I can rent probably (few dollars)

[fast pagoda]

the osu! model definitely runs local

[fast pagoda]

was just thingken of fast

[hollow spruce]

Game model ?
Heard from @oblique verge

[glass flower]

thats it. i decided i'll build my own neuro and call her oruen

[oblique verge]

What

[hollow spruce]

U def osu

[fast pagoda]

me when expensive cluster is right there to rent and waste money on

[amber fractal]

AGI the nth coming

[hollow spruce]

Nai compute is very costly

[glass flower]

make a ai to work for you while you develop the ai to replace humanity

[hollow spruce]

Yep take a risk

[fast pagoda]

ahahahah i was searching to see how big your average neural osu model might be and found this post

https://www.reddit.com/r/osugame/comments/bl0hgt/i_built_a_neural_network_that_learns_to_play_osu/

[hollow spruce]

Give me link

[fast pagoda]

6 years ago

vedal987

[fast pagoda]

oh this is lambda cloud

https://cloud.lambda.ai/

i should just say fug it and train the next echo checkpoint off gpt-oss20b

being the MoE it is it actually runs way faster than expected even on this 3080

it's kinda crazy

[glass flower]

are there tools yet to train and finetune gpt-oss20b. or do the classic ways just work on it even tho its strange architecture

[fast pagoda]

if anyone has it done it'll be unsloth i havent checked though

yeah there are

https://docs.unsloth.ai/basics/gpt-oss-how-to-run-and-fine-tune

[glass flower]

ofcourse its unsloth

[fast pagoda]

love my boys over at unsloth

[hollow spruce]

How much credit u have ?

[fast pagoda]

hmm should see what happens trying to run 120b @ 1b locally

[hollow spruce]

Nai run somthing more powerful like deepseek

[fast pagoda]

lambda is pay by usage so $0

[hollow spruce]

80$ currently
In my temp account

[fast pagoda]

you could do a lotta finetunes with that

[hollow spruce]

B200 is very cheap ?
LoL

[fast pagoda]

i did like 30 finetuning runs at least in march on lambda and this was the invoice when i was using a mix of A/H/B100s depending on what i was trying

they had a discount on b200 at the time though

[hollow spruce]

70 are compute

[fast pagoda]

i wish lambda would give me credit rather than just openAI

boy does openai love giving api credit out though

thanks sam

altman

ok now that may be the most worthless open with suggestion ive ever seen

[glass flower]

are you trying to open a zip? because i think prism can open zip's to install a new instance

[fast pagoda]

yeah it's a zip lol, it overrode ark as the default after installing it

[glass flower]

[fast pagoda]

i dont like ark much and it just dawned on me that there must be a linux 7zip out there or something that i can use instead

not that it's even needed since you can just use terminal to extract shit

but for a right click type thing

7-zip does not store the owner/group of the file.```

that's fine ![glueless](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1282337396230328425.webp?size=128 "glueless")

windows moment (buying a physical passkey rn)

i entered a password for an older email that i rarely use from bitwarden and looked at it because it seemed short and usually my passwords are like 32 characters+

oh

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[hollow spruce]

The update is trash

[fast pagoda]

it's just nice of them to keep the things that are exploding after updates to nice, unnecessary things, such as the method people use to login, or perhaps the storage on their drive being wiped. nobody needs that stuff

[hollow spruce]

Every code has own Loop holes no single one has perfect

[fast pagoda]

pobody's nerfect

favorite .csv editor

[stray dragon]

my computer thinks typescript files should be opened with Movies & TV for some reason

[fast pagoda]

transport stream

[stray dragon]

i see

[fast pagoda]

"let's just reuse that extension itll be fine" - too many people

but yeah you would see .ts when ripping blu rays etc

the only one i've ever seen is a miku concert that i ripped off a blu ray a long time ago

[stray dragon]

interesting

[fast pagoda]

mpeg-2

[sage crag]

1 hour latency

bad bot

[fast pagoda]

running locally

[sage crag]

[tender river]

❌

no latency

00:08Z -> 04:08Z

4 hours poll

[sage crag]

wrong

0 second poll

all answer just race condition fulfilment

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

i love docker

such a wonderful piece of software

it doesnt even have the right kernel making me panic thinking i fucked up my kernel config saying 6.10-14

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-24341837

[violet sand]

You love docker but docker doesn't love you 💔

[fast pagoda]

it certainly doesnt

[tender river]

okay kyuubey

[fast pagoda]

but that's okay because i actually hate docker more than maybe any other piece of software ive ever had the misfortune of using

[sage crag]

no magical girls

magical girls are banned

[tender river]

🪄

[jagged turtle]

vedal's link on his github readme is out of date

[fast pagoda]

[tender river]

it redirects to vedal.ai either way

[jagged turtle]

I was gonna try and verify that but then I got blocked 🤦‍♂️

(on the cisco router)

[tender river]

anyone can be a magical girl

[sage crag]

nop

only me

[tender river]

banned

[sage crag]

🌟🪄🌟 -> 🪄

[fast pagoda]

welp dunno what got automodded there ripperoni but apparently automod hates docker too

lol i see what got modded that's rough - always check your terminal output folks some kernel modules have names that might surprise you

amd-v is enabled
just verified the kvm is enabled in kernel
i checked dev/kvm has permissions set to crw-rw-rw-
compose file has the path /dev/kvm set properly for host and container
and yet docker is repeatedly screaming that kvm acceleration is not available

[sage crag]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

technology addiction

i need to disconnect

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

before you go can you slap my containerd around a bit

[sage crag]

kil

[sage crag]

need to turn my tech into dumb tech

bwa discord bad for me

i awake at 6am

[tender river]

linux phone helped me with most addictions because its so unusable

[sage crag]

i dont really have phone addiction, i just read

sometimes watch a youtube video

sometimes read discord, sometimes browse code

desktop puter is the devil

i have been sitting down all day

[tender river]

you do have more messages in this server than me despite joining way later

[sage crag]

er

ok that does it

im turning into an ablecorp recluse

[fast pagoda]

phew

at least im not addicted

[tender river]

its only a 7 months difference apparently

okay what if we cut it off at march 2025

i have 26869 you have 44239

[patent walrus]

sheesh, i only have 49.5k, even including the mod chats

[fast pagoda]

vaniiii i see why i got automodded can you put a big ol whoopsie on that one because it's not my fault they name kernel modules things that automod doesn't like

[patent walrus]

oh yea we just ignore automod hits for this chat lol

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[patent walrus]

like we just glaze over it

[tender river]

another automod from #programming probably not too bad

[tender river]

another thing that helped me was youtube refusing to work with vpn without signup since i never watch yt while logged in

[fast pagoda]

so far i'd say winboat is highly recommended, since it uses docker, one of the best frameworks ever, nothing ever goes wrong really

[sage crag]

i have too much internet freedom

ive used dns blockers before but i just disable them

[hollow spruce]

Good

[tender river]

get mullvad

[sage crag]

vani you got a new chisato

[patent walrus]

yeah that checks out

[sage crag]

nya

[patent walrus]

i have a new chisato! globally

[hollow spruce]

The compiler got corrupt
Again
Where is
Mysg 32

[fast pagoda]

every time i search for this error it ends up with goddamn yacht stuff

[tender river]

nyan nyan

[patent walrus]

winboat looks like the uhh

crossover of linux

[sage crag]

im die thank you forever

[tender river]

gonna do the same rq

[fast pagoda]

me attempting to get across the strait between linux and windows

[tender river]

[sage crag]

i take break, maybe week or more

hopefully

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

surely

i believe in you

[sage crag]

ablecorp

[tender river]

true

[hollow spruce]

Vm ? https://share.google/KJljDvs3AYUoW3xrN

[fast pagoda]

yep

it runs windows in a container but is SUPPOSED to kinda handle it to make it easier

it's not even winboat that is causing this issue

it's docker

[patent walrus]

just run windows

[fast pagoda]

i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker i hate docker

[hollow spruce]

Windows is crashing and low hardware support

Windows 7 is unsupported

[patent walrus]

windows 10 ltsc enterprise iot is truly all u would need

[hollow spruce]

Really ?
What's (ignore)
Give me ure microsoft account

[jagged turtle]

don't we all

[fast pagoda]

mfw runnig windows 10 ltsc enterprise iot and the only other machines that exist in the world running the same OS as me are ATMs

[hollow spruce]

I can't download lts version

[fast pagoda]

it's a version of win10 supported thru 2032

[patent walrus]

lighter than usual

[hollow spruce]

I already know that (my business account is not working on Microsoft) i usually use as Gmail. Personal and business
I aways do seprate personal and business

[patent walrus]

[fast pagoda]

this son of a gun

COMMAND     PID    USER FD   TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
qemu-syst 24022 afunyun 11u   CHR 10,232      0t0 1334 /dev/kvm

qemu ruining my entire life

[hollow spruce]

Mee too

If Linux officially added this feature
( Linux subsystem for windows application )

Extended support hmm ?

[fast pagoda]

this is basically like wsl but in the opposite direction kinda

also now that i've got docker not screaming about virtualization acceleration windows won't let me download the iso for a 3210948130459th time

2025-09-04 00:19:13 | ERROR | Command failed: docker compose -f /home/afunyun/.winboat/docker-compose.yml up -d
unable to get image 'ghcr.io/dockur/windows:latest': request returned 500 Internal Server Error for API route and version http://%2Fhome%2Fafunyun%2F.docker%2Fdesktop%2Fdocker.sock/v1.51/images/ghcr.io/dockur/windows:latest/json, check if the server supports the requested API version

runs this exact compose 10 times trying to get docker to work w/ virtualization
get it to work
"oh yeah we cant find that bro idk"

[hollow spruce]

Root works

[tender river]

its called wine

[fast pagoda]

the second i see paint.NET running this will all be worth it

[hollow spruce]

Ms paint is good

Kill already (paint 3d ) now I called making 3d model

[fast pagoda]

im talking about https://www.getpaint.net/

[olive sable]

i find this statement increndebly funny since i jsut started watching an anime where a zombie became a magical girl

[hollow spruce]

Z<l

[patent shard]

it's crazy how well vocal/instrumental isolation works... I'm especially surprised by vocal
I ran it on NEVER I don't understand how it tracks the reverb so well

[hollow spruce]

What talking about
(Instrument)

[patent shard]

vocal/instrumental stem separation

I guess I could post it here.. I mean, I just ran it through software, not like it's anything confidential 😅

it did pick up a good amount of instruments, I need to find a model that keeps the same fullness but also gets rid of the instruments

[fast pagoda]

stem separation is crazy with recent models

verdict on winboat: seems like it should fkin awesome if it worked

but uh

docker

and uh

many other things

[patent shard]

I think this one is like two years old, not even super new

[fast pagoda]

tfw the included operations have illegal shit in them

you can't copyfile on a directory

Ralofriausoifruaiafdlakjfhlkjshglakj

welp winboat needs a few more versions and ill try again
on the plus side i can once again remove the taint of docker from my computer

[opaque sigil]

[nocturne olive]

Roformer or something? If not then you're missing out on perfection

[patent shard]

that was specifically UVR V5

[nocturne olive]

What model though? That's what's important

[nocturne olive]

Use Roformer

[patent shard]

segment size set to 4000

[nocturne olive]

It's also UVR but needs a patch

NEVER with Roformer

[patent shard]

yeah, I'll try
I used some Roformer model and it blocked nearly 100% of instruments but also a lot of reverb/fullness on vocals

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/374635871808520195/1413023820125569145/image.png?ex=68ba6c7b&is=68b91afb&hm=35fbe5bdd5d6843cd0e98c67d1e32f1dac502cb7ab3bf66d06c2e205076d5624

[nocturne olive]

Well use the correct Roformer

[fast pagoda]

BS roformer is the bullshit model, common mistake

[patent shard]

eh, I hear less fullness on that one than mine

in one area, at least.. harder to tell overall

[nocturne olive]

Well, this is the model we use to make things ready for Neuro RVC training, it''s the best quality we've ever got

[patent shard]

yeah, around 1:27 it sounds really broken up.. mine doesn't sound broken up
but, I also hear a lot of improvements.. guess it's tradeoffs

[nocturne olive]

Roformer is likely why our RVC is so insanely good and anything else you can find on the internet just sounds sloppy

[patent shard]

idk, I hear a lot more waviness on the one you posted... it's hard to tell how much better it really is than mine
I hear improvements.. but, maybe some regressions.. I know it's not going to be all improvements

[nocturne olive]

Well it certainly extracts important elements of voice much better than other models, so combined with other cleanup tools to remove reverb and noise, it makes for exceptionally good training data

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jWOyIcKz98
And that is how you end up with this

[patent shard]

yeah, I do hear it kind of capturing more vocals.. even if the vocals it does capture have less fullness than mine
and it's also blocking a bit more of the instruments.. overall, maybe it is a bit better.. I would not say it's a huge difference by any means, though

[nocturne olive]

If you just randomly heard this could you tell this is RVC?

[nocturne olive]

The difference is big enough to be the differentiation between a barely Neuro overly high pitched mess and a basically perfect Neuro voice

[patent shard]

guess I'd only know that if I tried training with them, cause it sounds good to me
maybe mine is overdoing the reverb? I don't know

[nocturne olive]

Yours might just have more noise

Either way, NeuroSynthProject at this point is the leading player in making Neuro voice clones
We've maxed out RVC, now we're doing vocal synth

[patent shard]

thanks for the work I did listen to that a few times already... been months, though.. guess time to listen to it some more

[nocturne olive]

Also check out modern NeuroSynth creations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1HNHqSdGW4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49CrynNZAR0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvIr30bUEbw

[stark needle]

IM SORRY WAHT

[rigid snow]

i have seen and used rvc models outputs of which are actually indistinguishable from a real, high quality studio recording

[jagged turtle]

btw where was neurosynth used in the last one I cant tell

[nocturne olive]

You hear the choir type sounds in the latter half?

[jagged turtle]

no I'm deaf :LULE:

[nocturne olive]

Neuro RVC gets real close maybe, it's really good quality for sure

[jagged turtle]

oh right I recognise it now

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[nocturne olive]

It's a kind of NeuroSynth as an instrument tech demo

[rigid snow]

a certain very huge and very controversial artist which i will not name drop has released music with his verses being written and recorded by a different person using rvc, but if you didn’t know that you can’t tell

[nocturne olive]

It's just a bunch of vocal tracks going "ah" with vibrato mixed really deep

[jagged turtle]

[rigid snow]

i’m not actually sure whether answering yes increases your chances or lowers them

yes? ok so you can’t do anything yourself filthy vibecoder
no? smh unc doesn’t know how to utilize these new powerful tools 💔

[jagged turtle]

they both lower your chances

[patent shard]

I guess I'll try this one

unless you have a suggestion

BS roformer technically seems to have the highest scores.. but, that isn't everything

[hollow spruce]

Asm will be my favourite language among cpp

#general-network message

[nocturne olive]

That just looks like Windows not working

[rigid snow]

a cursor on a black screen mhm

[hollow spruce]

I was coding cpp I didn't notice it was py

Hmm error testing why cpp is not working

[nocturne olive]

How weird, why doesn't C++ work in a Python file
(if this was Linux it would probably work if you compile the file with a C++ compiler without caring about the extension)

[violet sand]

Ya, LSP is being chosen based on the file extension, mean while compilers don't care.

[tender river]

its pretty common for employers to require doing nowadays because otherwise what are you doing wasting company time smh (in this case they might be asking it for stats though)

i havent seen a single position where vibe coding is explicitly listed as a negative

[rigid snow]

in what world is vibecoding at a programming job a positive

[tender river]

in ours

[rigid snow]

sure working with tools like cursor is a positive, but vibecoding in particular probably isn't one

[tender river]

fair enough

unless vibe coding is explicitly the job contents which i've seen as well

[rigid snow]

just have an agent prompt the agent instead

[lapis wraith]

99% sure this is a visual studio error. I, sadly, don't remember the shenanigans needed to configure it.
It's probably faster if you make a new project that's actually a c++ one.

[uneven pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1412370548188512440/awa.gif

[tender river]

awawawawa

[uneven pulsar]

awaawaawaawa

[hollow spruce]

Im back

Finally I great sleep over 1 week

[tawny wren]

Trying to reverse engineer code from IDA is an absolute nightmare.

[tender river]

ida is fun

but i recommend ghidra if you're learning from scratch

i already know ida and i don't really want to spend time learning another tool

[tawny wren]

I used to use Ghidra, but it didn't know what the fuck strcpy was.

[tender river]

...

strcpy is like super basic

its not even a ghidra thing

[tawny wren]

I know, but it just wouldn't pick up on it.

[tender river]

you should probably learn C before getting into reverse engineering

ah

sorry

misread

[tender river]

what language is whatever you're REing written in?

because there are plugins that make everything easier

also check versions for different platforms (if there are any), because sometimes programs are compiled with extra debug info on certain platforms

[tender river]

oh so c++ probably
i use this plugin personally https://github.com/REhints/HexRaysCodeXplorer

also here's an ida thinking emoji

arguably more important

[tawny wren]

It says it's for IDA 7. And I'm using IDA 9.1.

[tender river]

it looks like it works but requires compiling from source and applying pr #122

sounds a bit annoying

[tawny wren]

More effort than it's worth at this point.

[tender river]

depends on how much you're reversing

probably not much realistically

[tawny wren]

I'm doing a whole source code reconstruction.

[tender river]

then it should be worth it still

full reverse engineering takes a long time

[tawny wren]

Unless it can clean up these garbage variables and stupid jumps everywhere, I probably won't bother.

[tender river]

it helps with defining struct/class definitions

[tender river]

no vtables? you're so lucky

i'm used to REing oop codebases

[tawny wren]

This is like a weird early version of C++.

[tender river]

ddd down ddd down ddd down ddd down ddd down

[brisk laurel]

what are other commands i need to know?

[opaque sigil]

there are a couple extra flags you can use to make it fully run in the background for the most part

[tender river]

here

[brisk laurel]

what do you have in mind?

[opaque sigil]

the big thing is just running at as admin to get rid of the uac prompts, i don't remember the exact flags

[rough bloom]

just disable UAC
-# is that even still possible

[uneven pulsar]

I love how many windows users will just admit that the OS is garbage but literally laugh at you if you use anything other than windows

[brisk laurel]

how do i change the registered owner name?you know the green one

[tawny wren]

I don't think you can.

[brisk laurel]

i blame my parents

[opaque sigil]

run everything as SYSTEM

[maiden geyser]

revios can do that for you

but programs usually don't like that

they usually like uac at "never notify"

[midnight sigil]

you can make it no popups, but UAC is still handling stuff

it's just windows

using thousands of meaningless api requests that does nothing

[rough bloom]

yeah, thought so
at least the option to disable popups is still there, I haven't checked for it since like Windows 7 or 8 or something

[midnight sigil]

it's not abundant but does nothing

[patent shard]

I do have to wonder if it was trying so hard to remove instruments that it caused the vocals to sound not as full
there were very loud instruments compared to the vocals, and it removed nearly 100% of the instruments
I do think the UVR V5 has too much instruments/noise to be acceptable, I mean, it does pick up the vocals pretty well.. but
I'll mess around with a few models and see
scores don't mean much unless you look at a vast range of music.. one overall score isn't going to say much, even then, a score doesn't say a ton about how it did with the whole song

[hollow spruce]

Rate my wallpaper

[sage crag]

2

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1377728467025530950/NewLeafAbyss.gif

[nocturne olive]

NOW I get why CUDA inference is not enabled by default in NeuroSynth's inference engine
Fixing CPU INFERENCE was way too hard

Now it works beatifully with both though

Enabling CUDA inference: really stupidly easy
Having both CPU and CUDA inference with CUDA 12 + cuDNN 9: really stupidly hard

[rigid snow]

just got this email from TBC

arc not dead

[nocturne olive]

And all because CPU inference crashes on OnnxRuntime 1.20.0

(and all versions past 1.18.0)

[patent walrus]

okay so make the dot go away, TEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMSSSSSSSSSSS

[hollow spruce]

Use cuda

du *.qcow2
9999999 disk.qcow2
1 kb need

[nocturne olive]

It's an app that should have both CUDA and CPU available, that's why it's bad that CPU crashes on 1.18.0 and up, since for proper CUDA I need at least 1.18.1

[hollow spruce]

Application name?

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynthProject confidential information

[hollow spruce]

Hmm ( fix to cuda )

[nocturne olive]

It's written using C# and uses OnnxRuntime and that makes for a weird mess of stuff

[hollow spruce]

We love parallel process
Not single (ai devs)

[cosmic sphinx]

another week another google drop 🔥
https://fixupx.com/googleaidevs/status/1963634366287933495

Google AI Developers (@googleaidevs)

Introducing EmbeddingGemma: our new open, state-of-the-art embedding model designed for on-device AI 📱

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FixupX · Sep 4, 2025, 4:04 PM

[hollow spruce]

Cpu must be (npu include)
9 ghz with npu with 9456 tops

[rigid snow]

9 GHz holy moly

[ashen warren]

Have you tried it? What's it's use case? I just recently finished my first RAG system, super curious about going deeper

I did mine with MiniLM and it was working really well on memory recall, I don't know enough yet to understand if i need to got deeper on a bigger model like this

Quick reading implies larger contexts from Gemma and more precise semantics. So i guess for fact recall it's kinda overkill

[olive sable]

konii is back

Instead of a full break i guess its just less usage overall?

[olive sable]

nah that cross react is a paradox

[tender river]

she's working on her addiction

please understand

[olive sable]

that's completely fine

[small anvil]

this definitely didnt take an hour to finish

cause i am the stupidest person on earth

[olive sable]

silksong released

[small anvil]

so peak

[olive sable]

im not gonna play it but im glad for those that will

konii if i were to play silksong id play the original first

dont frick mme

wait

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

hollow knight is 15 bucks,a nd silksong is 20 bucks, i might buy it sometime

ive already use half of my monthly allowance tho and im trying to be financially responsible, so maybe next month

why are you emoting me so much

im getting clowned on for not spending everything immediately

ill wait till it goes on sale okay?

[sage crag]

ok now i remove all the reactions

[olive sable]

bruh

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i screenshotted it already

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/jiggy-jolly-get-jiggy-get-jolly-get-jolly-with-it-gif-13651478034157223092

[olive sable]

caught in 4k 1440p

[olive sable]

its september, i refuse to get festive already

i aint skipping over spooktober

[stray dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-i-quit-angry-table-flip-studying-gif-4905184

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-jolly-christmas-gif-5774532700081404887

[stray dragon]

fuck i was just about to post that one

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-jolly-reaction-jolly-my-honest-reaction-gif-5490890317762380451

[olive sable]

if i play hollowknight, should i do so on pc or console?

[sage crag]

doesnt matter, its the same. use controller though.

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

well, use keyboard if u want but it sucks

[stray dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/jolly-christmas-posting-jolly-cat-christmas-this-cat-looks-at-jolly-people-gif-4925436984769801382

[sage crag]

pc maybe better if u have old gen console or nintendo switch

[olive sable]

nah ill use a controller, i like controllers

the options are ps5, switch, or pc

[glass flower]

pc

[olive sable]

cuz i dont feel like setting up the xbox one s yet

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-jolly-cat-jolly-cat-merry-christmas-gif-9272976883674260918

[sage crag]

pc actually, better since u can mod it

i just remembered

u can also pick which version of the game to play on

[olive sable]

ooooh

so pc with ps5 controller

[sage crag]

elvyn gets it

[opaque sigil]

dualsense my beloved

[olive sable]

yes

best controller that i have used so far

[opaque sigil]

mine ended up with stick drift

replaced it with a new one that has tmr stick and a much larger battery though so we should be good

though i kinda wish i could charge it at faster than 3, this thing takes so long to charge