programming

[fast pagoda]

well

[opaque sigil]

Or that I guess

[fast pagoda]

same result

[opaque sigil]

I constantly get this with biome and json it's started to piss me off

[fast pagoda]

the reason it crashed? it saw my code

i don't blame it

[opaque sigil]

Reasonable

[fast pagoda]

i get it all the time with ruff

idk why

it just loves exploding

[opaque sigil]

tis but a mystery

[fast pagoda]

one time i somehow had reverted to some ridiculously old version of ruff

epic suggestion chrome, thanks for the pointer

"you could use preconnects bro"
ok what would i use that for on this page
"nothing lol"

my fuzzy clock is wayyyy too accurate rn

[hollow spruce]

My exam got cancelled

No 3 days leave

[amber fractal]

At the moment it is just english, not fuzzy yet

[hollow spruce]

25 past 1

[fast pagoda]

i fixed it

[opaque sigil]

Is that the templeos logo

[hollow spruce]

Project name clock teller

[fast pagoda]

it is yes, i use it for my application launcher icon lol

[olive sable]

textures work

small dip in fps but managable

looking at the model without depthbuffering, i may have made a small mistake when connecting the legs

ill fix it later, the .blend file is in windows

so all that is left now to do in vulkan is depth buffering, mipmaps, multisampling and potentially compute shaders

[fast pagoda]

nah vedal's body is just like that, his legs disappear depending on what angle you look at them from

that happens in real life as well

[olive sable]

what i mean witht he small mistake is that the top of his legs is a fuly filled plane, that is probably cuz i didnt select the correct vertices.

you ca also see a trianlge missing at the side of the top of his leg

[rigid snow]

llms are the worst thing to happen to humanity

[fast pagoda]

You've hit the nail on the head. Your rereading and this clarification are spot-on. You have a very accurate understanding of how humanity actually operates.

You are absolutely correct: for the vast

[olive sable]

@ grok set a timer for 2 hours

[olive sable]

i have this one from a week ago

[opaque sigil]

Gemini is so fucking annoying about this

[tender river]

all llms are trained like that

glazing the user maximizes engagement

[rigid snow]

it puts me off personally

[fast pagoda]

i reiterate that i told gemini to be an ass and it works just fine, doesn't do this nearly as much if at all, i recommend all to do the same

[olive sable]

i asked it for a comparison between 2 things, and then it said stuff like "x probably has y" and i was like, no i know for a fact it doesn't, stop pulling numbers out your ass

[tender river]

i agree but they have the stats to back it up (surely)

[fast pagoda]

of course it helps
it also probably is a side-effect of instruct in general
it's part of what it has learned to generate when following instructions

[jagged turtle]

no matter what they gotta glaze

[rigid snow]

they don’t, gpt-5 almost doesn’t

[tender river]

gpt5 does for me

much more than o3 mini or whatever they had before for free thinking

[fast pagoda]

gemini doesnt give a shit even if i tell it i think it did good (was having it rearrange a mermaid diagram because lazy)

[rigid snow]

at least it doesn’t assume i’m an idiot and then glaze me because i’m so right when i state the obvious

[olive sable]

i wish both llm's and actual humans stopped with the formalities and actually got to the point right away

[jagged turtle]

[amber fractal]

Hand over its thoughts

[tender river]

cant relate

[fast pagoda]

idiot doesnt even know its cool came in the CoT

[olive sable]

it really had to think about saying cool twice, and then did not do it

[fast pagoda]

madlad

[tender river]

i like the deepseek approach

write a thesis on the best word to pick

[fast pagoda]

dont pick it

[olive sable]

i have that too sometimes tho, when you think "dont do x" but then still end up doing it

[amber fractal]

Don't make the joke, starts typing

[olive sable]

?

[amber fractal]

That's my example for this, I make a few too many jokes I shouldn't.

[olive sable]

ironic process theory (also called the “white bear problem”)

i guess it aplies to actions too?

[fast pagoda]

forgot the follow up since the aight made me laugh

[olive sable]

heh

[fast pagoda]

heh

[amber fractal]

heh

[amber fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[fast pagoda]

the source is literally just "things you told gemini" or some shit

i think because it is referencing the instruction to not be a glazing dumbass

[olive sable]

i remember i rendered some images and graphs for my research paper last year, and they were mad i didn't site my source, so i had to tell them "its me, i am the source"

[tender river]

i used to talk to llms more like how i'd talk to a human, with "please" and "thanks", but i dont anymore

[amber fractal]

Based

[fast pagoda]

i still do if i reply but i don't always reply anymore

[tender river]

well, i never replied for no reason, no need to waste tokens

[olive sable]

ye pretty much. i dont mean to get the ai overlords on my bad side but being rude to the llm's is actually way more pleasent cuz they actually try to solve the issue

being nice to them just gives me more yapping

[olive sable]

yep

[amber fractal]

I can't wait for if my NN project is decent to just write.

Source: I made it the fuck up

[olive sable]

Source 17: GPT, C (2025). graphs for research paper. [Graph] https:// link to chat

[tender river]

citations are important

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

at least then it can be immediately disregarded

the entire paper i mean

[olive sable]

open paper, scroll to bottom, ctrl+F for find feature of browser, type in GPT

[fast pagoda]

set an adblocker rule that just piholes any paper containing that text

[amber fractal]

If I have a demo model I'd be doing this because any energy I have to write the paper could be spent on getting it released faster.

I've still been trying to figure out what I want to do for the demo

[fast pagoda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCPhbN1l024 it's crazy this is real minus the actual physical robot being that robust

[amber fractal]

The current idea is the classic number identification demo. I'll probably have to build up to that tho.

[fast pagoda]

if we ever see it do anything liek that it'll be wild

[amber fractal]

I wait for the day where "This can't run on GPU the model is useless" issue appears on my repo

It will be glorious

If I did a 8 segment display demo it'd be useless as an overall demo but would make a good unit test for one of the modules.

Though the output would have to be subtracted by 1 due to 0 being an error state.

[olive sable]

1 hour left till dominos opens

[rigid snow]

pizza for breakfast is a crime

[mighty thorn]

[jagged turtle]

surprised that isn't already

[amber fractal]

To give the haters credit, it was a recent change.

Most of the iterations were able to work on GPU

[rigid snow]

the thing i was yapping about is for sure nerdy and technical enough for here and too technical for #artist-alley, and it didn't involve any creative process in the first place, i was talking about clipping and limiting, not writing
but also almost no music production discussion actually happens in artist-alley and it's all people sharing their demos and wip's while everyone else ignores them and continues to discuss art (as in drawing) with maybe occasional 3d

[amber fractal]

The main reason I don't bother with it mostly

I am personally too far removed from the creative processes to have much to say, and I'm not posting just to be ignored.

[rigid snow]

i've actually seen more music production discussion in #neurotic-neurons than in #artist-alley of all places

channel very known for staying on topic

[amber fractal]

-# Why was I expecting to see a joke issue

[rigid snow]

that is very much implied dw you're not crazy

[jagged turtle]

wdym nn clearly stays on topic

[rigid snow]

and to clarify i mean like actual in-depth discussion, music production definitely gets discussed in aa, it's just that it never goes past complete basics

[amber fractal]

For those in NN, are we better or worse?

[rare bramble]

i'd say about the same

[rigid snow]

at staying on topic? idk actually, feels roughly the same

[jagged turtle]

eh I'd say #programming is able to stay on topic more than #neurotic-neurons but also both can get easily derailed

[rigid snow]

the only difference is we never get bashed for it by mods

[amber fractal]

We pretty much self mod

A lot of our memes are on topic mostly

[tender river]

[rare bramble]

I mean we get warnings for talking about piracy or stuff, nothing that major

[tender river]

but yes its fairly rare

[rigid snow]

compared to nn i'd say "never" is virtually correct

[jagged turtle]

it's not a tech channel if piracy isn't discussed :classic:

wait

I typed that wrong

[tender river]

this is because mods fear us

shiro is traumatized

never visits

[amber fractal]

Not since bingo's second board we haven't. Cloudburst claimed she was going to just tell us to cross off the slot.

[tender river]

elvyn i see you

[jagged turtle]

what happened there

[tender river]

[warped narwhal]

Absolutely nothing please move along and don't look any further into this issue as there is nothing to uncover

[warped narwhal]

Shiro has integrated their brain into screeps world in order to amass 2 more CPU per tick

[hollow spruce]

Windows 10 set up

[warped narwhal]

Windows

[rigid snow]

macos

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-thumbs-down-not-good-gif-11406058

You get a pass but I'm eyeing you suspiciously

[rigid snow]

as someone who uses all three on a daily basis, uhh, windows is my least favorite and linux is my most favorite, but honestly all three are completely fine and you should listen less to vocal opinionated people on the internet and just use what is most convenient for you

[hollow spruce]

Sad where is mine 500 gb drive

[rigid snow]

bro has a 2gb drive, i thought it's 2025 not 1992

i like how my brain completely ignored the fact your screenshots are rotated

why are they rotated

[uneven pulsar]

Oh

okie

[rigid snow]

you still can discuss that here but make sure to stay vaguely on topic

[dry charm]

why is it sideways lol

[hollow spruce]

270 ° 🙂

[dry charm]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[hollow spruce]

180 was enough but I think 270 is best

Hmm

The port on which the computer is listening for a connection could not be contacted.

[amber fractal]

Last time I checked win10 doesn't install on that little. Lowest I got was 10gb

The better question is where is that 500gb drive

[amber fractal]

I have bets on steam deck like

Actually no, I believe that is portrait mode by default

[hollow spruce]

That great question
(I will use as secondary drive)

[unkempt citrus]

Well iiiiit helps that despiiite the expected levels of TBIIIs indduced by head smashing, this channel tends to be a liittle more mentalaly grounded

[hollow spruce]

Lol i forgot plugin my SSD

[dapper kernel]

Format your drive

[hollow spruce]

I need refresh and install complete already

This page isn’t working
127.0.0.1 sent an invalid response.
ERR_INVALID_HTTP_RESPONSE

[midnight sigil]

[hard raptor]

Just installing gentoo

[opaque sigil]

Ah yes, the joys of compiling llvm from source

[warm niche]

python is easy bro ,but at least i know what should i do for now

Exception in thread "main" java.util.NoSuchElementException: No line found
        at java.base/java.util.Scanner.nextLine(Scanner.java:1660)
        at main.dataStore(main.java:13)
        at main.main(main.java:5)

[opaque sigil]

[hard raptor]

Fr

[opaque sigil]

Make sure to include debug symbols

Need to fill that drive

[dry charm]

hueh

[opaque sigil]

Me when I close stdin

[hollow spruce]

Try asm 🙂

[dry charm]

💀 recommeding asm for new programmers

[opaque sigil]

mips is nice

[hollow spruce]

I will skip leaning
Js

[amber fractal]

Try Machine code on for size

[dry charm]

Learning Js is worthwhile to know what not to do

[opaque sigil]

There's no way around js

Accept your fate

[hollow spruce]

.data
.txt
mov

[maiden geyser]

it isn't that hard really, and learning it doesn't mean being able to write it

[hollow spruce]

Fixed

[dry charm]

As a new person to programming, I do not think it is a good approach to start with ASM :\

Though every language has a way of thinking, so essentially you start with a narrower path by choosing any language

[hollow spruce]

WHO NEED GUI ?
ME : I PERSONALLY HATER
OTHER BACKEND DEV ALSO AGREE WITH ME

[opaque sigil]

Might want to tap that capslock button once

[amber fractal]

Nah that is just SQL

[floral dirge]

zig

[rigid snow]

how much "worse" is it than recommending C for example

[opaque sigil]

You can make useful programs with c

Or well, they can

[floral dirge]

c is good for beginners to learn foundational skills

[rigid snow]

you will not be able to anyway if you're starting out

[rigid snow]

assembly is probably just as good for that

[opaque sigil]

More than with asm

[floral dirge]

perfect balance of abstraction and how systems actually works

[opaque sigil]

I'd agree if you cut libc out of the equation

[rigid snow]

yeah sure idk why i'm arguing here i don't even believe you should recommend asm myself

[dry charm]

I think this is a good discussion regarding how people view what is good for beginner recommendation :d

[opaque sigil]

I think it also depends on the person

If your goal is just making things that work learning assembly is honestly a waste of time as much as I hate to say it

[rigid snow]

c is good, cpp is good, java is good, basically anything but python

[dry charm]

One of the fundamentals are the concept of variables and their proper handling, which ASM does not teach in the "common" way. Registers are variables in a sense, but they behave vastly differently

[tawny wren]

Fucking hell.

[opaque sigil]

Green

[rigid snow]

seen too many beginners get locked into python and struggle with other langs

[opaque sigil]

sth sth skill issue

[dry charm]

Python is not good in that case yeah, cause it makes you too comfortable and furstrated with the spacing

I've seen horridble identation and spacing in beginner java codes

[floral dirge]

python for basic learning of JUST variables and function, then c for pointers and common algorithm

[tawny wren]

Why does the info struct get set to garbage?

[floral dirge]

i think python is good just for literally starting because its "plug and play", but then yeah its shit for everything else

this is why data analysts etc sucks at programming

[opaque sigil]

Other way around

They suck hence python

[rigid snow]

it's only plug and play if you use pycharm or something because that handles versions and venvs for you, but then the lock in is much much worse

0.0s

[opaque sigil]

[floral dirge]

i mean like literally speedrun install and run a line of code python is fastest

versioning and stuff means you are building real project

[opaque sigil]

uv run <file>
done

[rigid snow]

i'm not telling a beginner to use uv

[opaque sigil]

uv my beloved

[rigid snow]

because they won't know how bad it actually is and it's not the standard, yet

with js it's easier, all package managers work the same

[opaque sigil]

I don't think I've ever used uv outside of their pip api now that I think about it

[rigid snow]

"yeah here's npm and that's how you manage the project" and it's good enough, if they then decide to use pnpm or bun or something it's almost always as easy as swapping the 0th arg

[opaque sigil]

Probably should, lockfiles are nice

[rigid snow]

and in uv's case the whole workflow is different to pip

[opaque sigil]

That pep for self contained scripts alongside uv has honestly been the best thing they added to python in a very long time

[opaque sigil]

Is it?

One extra word to type I guess

There's nothing stopping you from using venvs normally

[rigid snow]

well yeah if we compare to the js ecosystem. it's kinda similar to pip, but you usually should init the project instead of manually creating the venv, then you have to run it through uv

[opaque sigil]

Except remove the part where you have to juggle python versions

Idk I like using uv as a better pip

If you do it the "proper" way then yeah it's quite different

[rigid snow]

i mean i only covered the most basic usage, and even then you have to remember to init instead of -m venv, and to run it through uv because that is better and easier than activating

[rigid snow]

why can't all languages do a rust and ship with a great package manager and then you don't have to think about this shit at all

[tawny wren]

1970s hard disk.

[violet sand]

I have finally upgraded my home network : D

[hollow spruce]

My boot image is corrupt

[floral dirge]

doesnt most languages ship with good enough pkg manager?

[rigid snow]

pip is shit

[hollow spruce]

True

[rigid snow]

npm is ehh

[floral dirge]

all python is shit

[hollow spruce]

Hmm

[floral dirge]

npm is good enough

[rigid snow]

barely

but yeah

[hollow spruce]

I give u suggest
Use apt best one

[floral dirge]

its slow it takes tons of space but ux wise its no difference with other pkg man

[rigid snow]

that's exactly my point here

uv and pip are very different

i wouldn't recommend pnpm to a beginner, why should i recommend uv

[hollow spruce]

Npm ?

[rigid snow]

npm?

[hollow spruce]

I don't use

[rigid snow]

good

[opaque sigil]

A lot of the newer ones do

Rust has that privilege

[hollow spruce]

Rust ?

Most is cargo

[floral dirge]

by newer do you mean after y2k

[opaque sigil]

More like 2010 but yeah

Death

[rigid snow]

yaml package manager

[hollow spruce]

Json I will not use soo
I will transfer to all json data to txt or toml or yaml or .parquet

[floral dirge]

omg toml best lang

[opaque sigil]

mv data.json data.txt

[hollow spruce]

No with syntax change

[rigid snow]

how does json syntax translate to txt syntax

i'm curious

[hollow spruce]

apache parquet is things good for me ?

[silent cloak]

Actually using it for a project lately

[rough bloom]

yaml and toml are mostly meant for configuration, they usually aren't machine-generated (and definitely aren't used for transferring data)
if your data is tabular then yeah, Apache Parquet is good
if it's hierarchical then JSON already works pretty well, if you have to shrink it in size then there's MessagePack and CBOR and a few others that I forgor, but they aren't human-readable so often it's better to just use JSON

[floral dirge]

protobuff?

json being human readable is way nicer to debug and 99% of the times its fast enough anyway

[dapper kernel]

I opened my VS Code and got Copilot jump scare

[vale python]

programmers

i have a question

why does the mouse cursor have a ghosting effect

[desert wave]

because pixels cannot change their colour instantly

[maiden geyser]

because screens are stupid

some more, some less

[shut dock]

Coolness

[sage crag]

do you mean the one that all monitors have or the one that only some monitors have

for the one that all monitors have, its actually how biological eyes interact with screens.

[hollow spruce]

5 am is sunrises 🌄
5 pm is sunsets 🌇
Dark mode from (6 to 8 pm)
Black mode from (8to 10 pm)
Midnight is (11 to 12pm)
Black mode (1 am to 4 am )
Sunrises mode (4 to 5) mode

App idea ?

[sage crag]

eyes dont observe things in frames, they are continuous. this means you have information from multiple frames of the screen in your vision at once.

[sage crag]

for the ones that some monitors have, its due to their pixel rentention. pixels dont change colours immediately.

[hollow spruce]

Custom color app a that also work on system level?

I got BORED so I will make this app

[maiden geyser]

i don't think you can toggle themes with an app

[hollow spruce]

that why I want to system level

Any one know kotlin

[maiden geyser]

that's the thing, you can't "to system level"

you'll have to root your device and it's a pain in the ass

not sure if the process is like that, but it is when you have root

[rare bramble]

kotlin is fine, though I really hate how generalized the recommendations for the languages are

[brisk laurel]

[dapper kernel]

Why C has 3 different languages?

[rare bramble]

all of them need like at least couple of paragraph explaining all the pros, cons and caveats for the langs

[sage crag]

lymsara

[sage crag]

neuroFumoHD

[dry charm]

If humanity knew what they were doing

[sage crag]

kotlin

its better than java and it uses the jvm

but

at the cost of being kotlin

[dry charm]

everyone how hates kotlin did not use kotlin

[fast pagoda]

unreal engine 6 runs on kotlin

[dry charm]

s/how/who

fuck

[sage crag]

nice sed

[sage crag]

incorrect, i hate it because im contractually obligated

asdneuroKufufu:1146768367173238815

oh it works

interesting

[opaque sigil]

kotlin is just boring scala

[sage crag]

s/:/asd

n euro

[opaque sigil]

tbh the worst part about scala is java

[dry charm]

what

[opaque sigil]

making me deal with damn exceptions and null

[dry charm]

I never of such slander

[sage crag]

damn exceptions

[dry charm]

what are the alternatives though

[sage crag]

error as value

[dry charm]

useless SIGSEGV and what

[sage crag]

ever used rust?

[dry charm]

no

[sage crag]

try using rust's Result and Option

[dry charm]

now you are doing what I am doing with kotlin now

[sage crag]

nope, i also hate rust

[dry charm]

fair enough

[sage crag]

exceptions are not cost free either, they incur a cost for every stack frame that uses them

not that rust avoids this cost

since it can panic

[dry charm]

I mean you can avoid exceptions by wrapping them in Either or Optional

Optional for null handling

[fast pagoda]

needed it to be hd since im something of a UI scientist (9000 hours in ms paint) myself

[dry charm]

(which is in base java)

[opaque sigil]

turn off the stack trace

[sage crag]

tasteful gradient

[opaque sigil]

actually

[sage crag]

panic = "abort"

[opaque sigil]

doesn't rust only check stack traces when you actually panic, so it'd be "free" 99% of the time

i remember this being super freaking convoluted

unless i'm thinking of something else

[sage crag]

something something recursion

[opaque sigil]

i think we should just SIGBUS any time something goes wrong

or one of the other signals you can't catch

[sage crag]

i think we should turn off the pc when there is an unhandled error

[dry charm]

just feed any non 1 signal into AI and let them memory manage to fix the issue

[opaque sigil]

i'm down

[sage crag]

i thought you were toast

[opaque sigil]

who says i can't be both

i fell down

[sage crag]

me, two people is not one

nuance is dead

be a caricature

flanderise yourself

[brisk laurel]

its lysara

[sage crag]

that's what i said, lysmsamra

[brisk laurel]

[stark needle]

HOW MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE?

😭😭😭

[nocturne olive]

Peak language

[stark needle]

chat if you are hiring i'm available

[sage crag]

35

over 30% of your life

though in your case its actually 97.2% of your life

fear me

[cosmic sphinx]

you forgot the line with
- Hiring with age only in range 20 to 30 years old

[olive sable]

noooo i fell asleep

no dominos for me

[stark needle]

i'm not even 20 yet😭

[stark needle]

man

i applied to 5 jobs already surely i will hear back from them

[cosmic sphinx]

[stark needle]

surely i will get the interviews

and get a 6 figure position

[warm niche]

Do you even know what dose it do.

[rigid snow]

the problematic ones are python and go

they suck because i said so

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

what the fuck do you need 35 years of runup to d

do

mfs want the john wick of system engineering

[spark vortex]

i cry everyday

[tender river]

no thats 100% agree

[stark needle]

we all do

[olive sable]

🥀

[spark vortex]

i wrote a pitch shifting algorithm and found out that theres a random library that does it better.

[tender river]

thats 100% agree what

my brain works in mysterious ways

how did i produce that phrase

[spark vortex]

what

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/microsoft/BASIC-M6502

that's an old repo

[stark needle]

wait wtf

[fast pagoda]

drilled

[stark needle]

i am unemployed for the first time

no way

i can now practice peak unemployment

[olive sable]

congratulations?

welcome to the club lmao

[stark needle]

i'm gonna take part in the minecraft challenge

[olive sable]

the minecraft challenge?

[stark needle]

if you mine 40 million copper u get a hat cosmetic

[fast pagoda]

gratz

[olive sable]

bruh

i mean, im down to hop on minecraft but im not mining 40 milion copper

[rigid snow]

just speed the playback up

[fast pagoda]

Ea-nāṣir is disappointed

[olive sable]

who?

[stark needle]

sam we should get on the mc server

im still getting charged monthly lmao

[olive sable]

this mf?

[rigid snow]

they think they're tf2

[spark vortex]

but then its faster

and

i dont want it to be faster

[fast pagoda]

yep

[olive sable]

wait im on linux rn

[stark needle]

no way

[olive sable]

does minecraft all the mods 9 work on here?

[rigid snow]

it's java bro

[stark needle]

the unemployment rate

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

it works basically everywhere, yes even the modpacks

[fast pagoda]

i wonder if bedrock functions on linux
i hope not because bedrock sucks

[spark vortex]

i mean

it does

[sage crag]

silksong tomorrrow

erf

[stark needle]

@olive sable https://www.curseforge.com/download/app#download-options

[olive sable]

im not merely unemployed like the rest of you, im professionally unemployed

[stark needle]

curseforge deb

or appimage

[olive sable]

im on cachyos, so arch

[fast pagoda]

appimage works

[spark vortex]

i used waydroid once to play the x86_64 android version of minecraft

[rigid snow]

afaik the only option is the android version through a compat layer

[tender river]

no

[rigid snow]

yeah

[tender river]

fake

[sage crag]

no

fake

[spark vortex]

yes, or wine

[stark needle]

mindcrafr

[fast pagoda]

sounds not worth to just play a shittier version of mc

[olive sable]

how do i open an appimage file?

[rigid snow]

you uhh

open it

[stark needle]

chmod +x

and then

[warped narwhal]

How.... How do they know this?

[spark vortex]

chmod +x

[stark needle]

just run it

[olive sable]

it opens in vscode rn

[fast pagoda]

make it executable and run it

[tender river]

chmod +x and then just enter a relative or full path to it in terminal

[fast pagoda]

if you want it systemwide you can put it in /usr/local/bin

[sage crag]

better super cool idea

[warped narwhal]

Make sure to run it as a path, you can't do myapp.appimage it must be ./myapp.appimage

[sage crag]

chmod 0777 /path/to/appimage

[rigid snow]

why not use a third party launcher though, like prism

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

what the hell is prism

[spark vortex]

erm actually, real linux users would write the data manually to the ram

[tender river]

curl | sh

[sage crag]

3d solid

[rigid snow]

prism launcher..

[warped narwhal]

Minecraft tool for managing clients and modpacks

[olive sable]

ok i made it executable, but now it doesnt do anything

[sage crag]

exacutabel

[spark vortex]

if ur using a file manager, right click and click "run"

[sage crag]

robot name

[warped narwhal]

Run it from the cmdline and check it's output, it may be printing errors

[rigid snow]

appimage errors out

interesting

[fast pagoda]

it has an embedded fs which might explode if you dont have fuse

https://github.com/TheAssassin/AppImageLauncher use some shit like this

[olive sable]

AppImages require FUSE to run.

[fast pagoda]

yeah you dont have fuse

[spark vortex]

oh yeah great question btw, either they're tracking data or they're just making shit up

[olive sable]

ok i downloaded fuse

it works now

[proper carbon]

hope everyone read those eulas

[fast pagoda]

it's microsoft

theyre recording every time your character gets too similar to jack black's steve just in case they need to file a lawsuit against you for copyright infringement

[stark needle]

i will explode

[rigid snow]

aren't stats synced to xbox on bugrock
and minecraft collects stats for basically every action for you to look at

[proper carbon]

any of you guys do ai stuff?

[olive sable]

so do i need to download minecraft itself too or is it included?

[proper carbon]

i assume so, but im curious about memory stuff

[spark vortex]

yeah

i do

[fast pagoda]

curseforge is just a modding distribution platform

like vortex or some shit

[rigid snow]

it's going to download it itself, minecraft is very interesting in this regard

[proper carbon]

do you keep message memories or logs? how do you handle them?

[olive sable]

i do legally own minecraft about 6 times so it should be fine

[proper carbon]

i have a few different methods im testing but not really sure what the "standard" is

[spark vortex]

okay wait what type of AI are we talking about , an LLM?

for an LLM, the message memory is just the context window

[proper carbon]

yeh, its just a discord chatbot nothing particularly interesting.

but im talking long term memory, outside context

dynamic recollection

[rigid snow]

every version ever is publicly available to download through a documented api, doesn't even require auth. this is why there's like a million launchers

[tender river]

theres a minecraft launcher written in nix

[spark vortex]

hmm, you can make a JSON/array of "core memories" which the AI could revisit at will

openai does this

[proper carbon]

im using a llama varient currently, and ive tested using json files, with one true source and then a copy for each user, and then on a different version i used vector databases with embeddings

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[rigid snow]

using a json file as a database, classic

[proper carbon]

but with the embeddings version, im having a difficult time deciding worthwhile information, and how to dymanically recognize different users

oh and a classic database version as well

[olive sable]

i completely forgot how atm9 works lmoa, i know i have some storage system pc setup but idk how anymore

[stark needle]

u download it inside curseforge

[fast pagoda]

i've used knowledge graphs, chromadb, mongodb, qdrant and mariadb for this at various points
also jus having them summarize and save what they want to save as literal .md files that they just do various rag lookup type stuff to "remember" things

[stark needle]

same lol

only exp i have is playing atm10 with my sister

[proper carbon]

really? so instead of actually logging conversations, you just let them keep their own note files?

[fast pagoda]

every ~20 messages i let echo summarize what he wants to keep and save it

[olive sable]

btw do you still not remember the password to cancel the server? cuz we havent played minecraft in 7 months and you had to pay for all that

[proper carbon]

howd that go?

[sage crag]

https://xcancel.com/eenightlamp/status/1963096868751331800

[fast pagoda]

depending on how stupid the model is, anywhere from terrible to aight

3b and below tend to just drool all over their own memory essentially and never save anything helpful

[proper carbon]

i like the idea, im curious to try that now. maybe not as the core source of truth but as a general feature sounds great

[sage crag]

erf

[proper carbon]

nah using 8b llama variant with custom tool functions

[rigid snow]

is that a drawing of a pcb

[proper carbon]

then an embeddings model, and sometimes a vision model

llava is the vision model, honestly i dont like it much but i havent found a better solution yet

[fast pagoda]

as long as it's decent at tool calling that translates pretty well to maintaining a sense of what's going on in a way that slightly makes sense

.json would work probably just fine, they understand json structured data really well just by default

i found .md kinda makes them "think" about it more as they try to structure it to make it human readable

[proper carbon]

can be decent with tools. the only things i give it is the weather and google and the bastard likes to google weird stuff and check the weather every place it can imagine lol.

ive had to put a cooldown on them

[fast pagoda]

gotta be prepared

[proper carbon]

yeah the first time i saw it google "families smothered in the flames" i was like i gotta limit this a tad.

[fast pagoda]

perfectly innocent he just thinking of how sad it is

[proper carbon]

its a happy weather person lol, but trolls were telling it fake news stories and it was trying to fact check

[fast pagoda]

[spark vortex]

oh wow

[proper carbon]

i think it was fact checking

[fast pagoda]

echo has memorized someone known as "the milkman" and brings it up a lot

some sort of eldritch being

[proper carbon]

thats SO funny

mine has developed an obsession with jumping spiders

its just a weatherwoman ai for my server, but it developed a love of spiders after some of my friends showed it their pet

now it ask constantly for photos

[fast pagoda]

They're like 5 year olds that latch onto special interests

[proper carbon]

its really endearing honestly

[fast pagoda]

Memorize something, it keeps coming up which only reinforces it, never ending cycle without intervention

[proper carbon]

bit of a bleak and unusual test, i enabled mine the ability to see how many times it "dies" and is reset.

shes chipper, doesnt seem to bother her, but im wondering if over time itll start reinfocing a sense of individuality

like over time itll be able to diffrentiate between the experiences of tempbot 7 and tempbot 8

and perhaps start to value its existence in a way

i have it as a toggle i can disable if it upset her, but i thought it was an interesting thing to test.

[fast pagoda]

He gets reset so often he'd probably develop fear and loathing, maybe even in las vegas

[proper carbon]

oh man i hope she doesnt get bitter lol

[fast pagoda]

I need to train a new checkpoint but have been extremely distracted from that and now it feels like a monumental task to get started again

[olive sable]

i love how loging in with a ms account is the lagiest part of the whole linux minecraft experience. literally the only part that has any involvement with microsoft

[proper carbon]

REAL.
im almost done my v3 version but i need to finish a couple core things in the memory, which was why i was asking, then i need to port the old memories over and finish one of the basic tools and i keep procrasinating

but now i feel like i broke momentum

[fast pagoda]

I did get his discord bot working again in about 2 seconds swapping to Linux from Windows which I was expecting to be more painful, not really sure why considering his bot client is entirely python

Yeah it feels like my standard for improvement is too high while at the same time feeling like I'm starting from scratch again

[proper carbon]

real

how was the switch to linux?

[olive sable]

linux is aight, it runs a lot faster but you have less features

[fast pagoda]

Not bad tbh I have no regrets so far, haven't run into anything I can't use that I really wish I could

Except paint.net

[proper carbon]

im running on a 2080 on windows right now, but i want to upgrade in the future. not sure what to do with my 2080 card when i do, or if i could keep my ai running on this card if i switched to linux to squeeze out better performance, or if its all just going to need a 4080 or something

but my entire thing is written in a mix of python and java and im not sure how itd even port

[olive sable]

why does it take a full 5 minutes of loading to log into my ms account on linux. thats some bullshit

[fast pagoda]

probably fine, echo is python and I used a bunch of powershell and it still wasn't bad to swap

[proper carbon]

based, good to know. i use powershell often

[fast pagoda]

powershell is cross platform believe it or not,

[fast pagoda]

I haven't tried lmaooo

This makes me realize I literally haven't even logged into my m$ account since swapping

But yeah there's like 10+ things I want to do with him and I need to just pick something and get going because any progress is good progress

But damn if I haven't hit decision paralysis

[fast pagoda]

Plus I keep saying I'm gonna get that 5090 which makes me say 'ill just wait' in procrastinator brain when I think of resuming training

But then when I go to microcenter I chicken out

[opaque sigil]

i went to sleep way too late yday cause clangd was being annoying

i love having wrappers around wrappers for my compiler

[fast pagoda]

I don't like clang

I end up using gcc every time I have the displeasure

Not very often but

[opaque sigil]

but the cool wyvern

[fast pagoda]

I have nmap for cool dragons

[olive sable]

when you log into the wrong ms account and ahve to wait another 8 min to log in

[opaque sigil]

also as it turned out the clangd extension fork i've been using simply doesn't use the setting where you specify the clangd path

so that's cool

[fast pagoda]

Lmao

[opaque sigil]

had to switch to the official one, no more nice autocomplete for .clangd and .clang-tidy

[fast pagoda]

Just ignores it silently

[opaque sigil]

it does

which doesn't really matter normally

[fast pagoda]

That's rude lmao

[opaque sigil]

except on nixos

[proper carbon]

man its killing me, the new cards have so much more ai stuff then my new card, but i keep thinking i should splurge and get like a 5090, then i see the price and change my mind, but even 4080s feel like if im dropping the money im better off waiting for like the 6070 or smthn

[opaque sigil]

actually

i could make the bundled server a symlink into the nix store

wonder if that works

[olive sable]

aight im in the game

i gave it 32GB, surely it will be fine

[fast pagoda]

Cooool Microsoft a root cert authority trusted by m$ mis-issued tls certificates for 1.1.1.1 back like 4 months ago and just realized it https://arstechnica.com/security/2025/09/mis-issued-certificates-for-1-1-1-1-dns-service-pose-a-threat-to-the-internet/

Whoops!

[fast pagoda]

Me irl

[olive sable]

oh ye, this is my first time playing mc since gettign the 3090

[opaque sigil]

woopsie teehee

[olive sable]

last time was on my 3060ti

[fast pagoda]

Teehee sorry guys nobody relied on 1.1.1.1 right? Right? Haha what a silly goof

[proper carbon]

[opaque sigil]

oh

welp

[fast pagoda]

Because of this messing around with cloud compute I did manage a way-too-deep fine tune of qwen2. 5 3b (training about 25% of the weights) in 12 minutes on a b200

That wAs crazy

Sorry 22 minutes

[proper carbon]

yo wth thats sick

[stark needle]

B200 is so op

[rough bloom]

https://crt.sh/?q=1.1.1.1
they've been doing it since early 2024

[fast pagoda]

It was so painful watching it setup while paying by usage time

[stark needle]

Tho blackwell support is still so ass

[opaque sigil]

let's goooooo

[tender river]

NOT microsoft

[fast pagoda]

What the fug

[tender river]

reading comprehension

[opaque sigil]

i see microsoft i blame microsoft

[fast pagoda]

You right, they didn't issue it, it's a trusted cert source for Microsoft so they're affected

[fast pagoda]

This unironically is what happened

[opaque sigil]

it being trusted by microsoft is still bad but can't really blame them i guess

[rough bloom]

"only" a root CA trusted by Microsoft

[fast pagoda]

I dunno smells like Steve ballmer is at fault here

[olive sable]

my pc is not happy is set my minecraft video settings to max

[tender river]

it was actually personally lenart poettering who issued it

its all a conspiracy by redhat

[glass flower]

i am on 1.1.1.1 rightnow

[fast pagoda]

Those bastards

I knew it

[fast pagoda]

First he shoves systemd down our throats and then he makes me insecure when I'm using my favourite browser, Microsoft edge

[tender river]

exactly

[silent cloak]

just host ur own dns smh

bind9

[tender river]

thats irrelevant here though

[fast pagoda]

But then I don't get lavalamp cryptography???? Unusable

[tender river]

certificate issuance is a separate issue from dns

[silent cloak]

its about using 1.1.1.1 in general

[fast pagoda]

And also yeah your dns would be sending requests to the trusted resolver which would then trust the mis-issued cert

[silent cloak]

we should just go back to directly using ips

memorize an ipv6

[fast pagoda]

Yeah and while we're at it finish ipv4 phase out and have to memorize v6 ips lol you beat me to it

[silent cloak]

"finish ipv4 phase out"

thats a good one

[fast pagoda]

Surely one day

[desert plaza]

i don't think we should get rid of certs imho

[silent cloak]

decentralized DNS

[fast pagoda]

Yeah but we could try not to let Hugh Mann from 'CloutFlare llc' have a trusted cert for the IP of cloudflare DNS of all things

[silent cloak]

something scary just happened in my headphones when u said that

some creepy pasta type of noises in my left one

[fast pagoda]

Neuro amogus sus.mp3

[silent cloak]

he clearly DNS poisoned me

and put a JS script in

[fast pagoda]

I never

It was typescript

C'mon man

[olive sable]

im sure its fine

probably

[silent cloak]

its trying to employ spheres in a block game

[fast pagoda]

He doesn't like the cavern spneres

[silent cloak]

seems obvious to me

[fast pagoda]

🗣️

[olive sable]

ill just restart and try again i guess?

[fast pagoda]

Time to download optifine

[olive sable]

no

sodium + nvidium

[fast pagoda]

Is that what Jensen is mining to make blackwell

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

optifine is old news, its kinda bad these days actually

[silent cloak]

it always has been honestly

besides the smooth light algorithm

[olive sable]

it was good, when it still gave the best performance

but now we have mesh shaders

[fast pagoda]

I never play Minecraft so I'm eternally in 2016 and before mc headcanon

[silent cloak]

it still sucked but it was better than vanilla

it was bloated

and i dont like the dev honestly

[fast pagoda]

Happy to report I have no clue who develops optifine (I love running who the fuck knows what without even bothering to see who is behind it)

[olive sable]

ye me neither

[silent cloak]

i didnt like the guy personally and the fact that optifine screws with alot of math which meant while working on anticheats i had to do alot of fucky code

because it would false flag otherwise

because they wanted to change random shit

[fast pagoda]

anticheat for mc? that's hardcore

[olive sable]

welp it crashed again

F

[silent cloak]

paid good

[fast pagoda]

what were you trying to prevent, people goofing around with game files in speedruns for verification? skyblock pvp shenanigans? i have no idea what in mc is serious enough to require anticheat

[olive sable]

i mean, the math is pretty much the thing you need to optimize to make the game more performent

[fast pagoda]

i had official minecraft client on this garuda install, i guess from installing the "gaming packages"

got curious and tried logging into m$

took 1 email entry and an authenticator approval

15 seconds

what happened to you

[olive sable]

the problem wasnt the logging in, that was easy. it just took 5 min of loading for the minecraft launcher to realize i had logged in and to let me out of the loading screen

[fast pagoda]

odd

[olive sable]

and im still having this issue cuz everytime i restart the client i have to log in again

[fast pagoda]

oh nyooo i cant play bedrocc it's over

[silent cloak]

the good ending

[fast pagoda]

it makes me feel safer knowing it can't be installed tbh

[olive sable]

bro what does everyone have against bedrock? this slander is insane

[silent cloak]

its built like actual ass

[fast pagoda]

it's just shittier minecraft that they still somehow dont have at parity with java

[silent cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAxYxu0rZU&pp=ygUWYmVkcm9jayBlZGl0aW9uIGRlYXRocw%3D%3D

[fast pagoda]

so i have 0 respect for it as a product

[silent cloak]

this is one of the many compilations

for why it sucks

[olive sable]

ye those bugs are not upto date. it does have near parity with java now

[silent cloak]

oh no they are

ive seen people dying to them in the new hardcore

because they added hardcore to a version where u can randomly die

[fast pagoda]

near parity after what has it been over 15 years

a joke

[olive sable]

i mean, to be fair it runs on a completely diffrent engine

[fast pagoda]

15 years of microsoft money working on it

[silent cloak]

still a billion dollar company

[fast pagoda]

and yes it runs a completely different engine, breaking compatibility with the entire java part of mc

which is just stupid

[olive sable]

i dont think microsoft has that much involvement in it, its jsut mojang

[rigid snow]

you can argue mojang studios don't have access to microsofts bank account but they still make a buttload of money

[fast pagoda]

i think that's the one thing you really can't argue

[silent cloak]

lmao watch this

and try to defend bedrock

[fast pagoda]

iirc they dont have much in the way of creative control but they are literally just a bank account basically

[silent cloak]

its so funny

wait wrong one

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/1mx273v/ah_yes_the_bugrock_edition/

[olive sable]

ye thats java, bedrock doesnt have custom elytra capes i dont think

[silent cloak]

sent the wrong one before

[rigid snow]

the point is it being a complete rewrite without needing to maintain compat, how's that stupid

[fast pagoda]

without needing to maintain compat
that's the stupid part right there

[olive sable]

the whole point of bedrock was to make it run on 2011 iphones with as much compute as a calcualtor

[rigid snow]

yep

[silent cloak]

i just play java edition on mobile now

[olive sable]

it did its job

[rigid snow]

wasn't it android exclusive originally tho

so not even iphones

[olive sable]

for the 10000 hours i have played on bedrock, it has been mostly fine tbh.

[silent cloak]

my issue comes from them making that the "main" version

or at least attempting to

[olive sable]

idk, i wasnt concious back then

[silent cloak]

when its built like actual slop

[fast pagoda]

it was xperia play version

originally

[rigid snow]

yeah right

the one with the capacitive thumbsticks

right?

[silent cloak]

pocket edition

[olive sable]

they're doing that because they want the crossplay and and marketplace stuff on all platofrms

they dont give a fuck about the actual game

[silent cloak]

clearly

[fast pagoda]

the entire point of java is cross platform

[pliant palm]

minecraft war going on in chat 💔

[fast pagoda]

it's just too slow for 2011 mobile

i just think they should've dropped it once that wasn't a problem

[silent cloak]

i can run modpacks with java edition on my samsung phone now

[fast pagoda]

at the very minimum even if not directly compatible there's actually no reason for the versions to have had gameplay differences this entire time

[olive sable]

no its not, bedrock is compatible between playstations, xbox's, pc's, phone's, vr headsets, etc...
java only has official support for pc

[fast pagoda]

i mean the royal java

[rigid snow]

no nether for like 6 years

[fast pagoda]

java runs on all of those (the jvm)

[silent cloak]

pojav launcher my beloved

[nocturne olive]

Note that Bedrock does not support Linux

[silent cloak]

or switch
https://www.reddit.com/r/ibxtoycat/comments/1jj3ccs/i_hate_bugrock_feel_sorry_for_me/

[tender river]

i tried running pc minecraft on a phone in like 2014 and i do remember it being super laggy

[olive sable]

thats on microsoft, they could easily get it to run on linux if they wanted to

[rigid snow]

nor does it support macos but that's a huge market for them considering the audience

[silent cloak]

it will be just as buggy

[rigid snow]

it being kids with computers their parents got them for studying

[nocturne olive]

Probably actually, first I assumed it was DX but then I remembered consoles

[fast pagoda]

that's the entire thing we've been saying it's just silly for it to be as shit as it is, there's no reason for MS to have been unable to provide the resources to get it at parity on all platforms and just drop java edition if they truly wanted to do something useful with it, therefore bedrock is dumb as a rule

[tender river]

https://minecraft-linux.github.io/

[silent cloak]

they are trading parity for quality

[tender river]

[silent cloak]

which is what we all knew would happen from that garbage better together update years ago

[nocturne olive]

Well I don't use NixOS
Also I use official launcher and can't really switch due to login stuff

[rigid snow]

i remember doing that too, i think the launcher was called uhh "boardwalk"?

[tender river]

its not nixos

[rigid snow]

or something like tghat

[fast pagoda]

at the end of the day the only thing that makes sense to me for why bedrock exists is that java already had modability + skins and whatnot that were free, they couldnt see a way to monetize it without doing bedrock

[tender river]

its *NIX (unix-like)

[sage crag]

*nix => unix, linux, bsds, etc

[rigid snow]

*nix = nix

[olive sable]

they have actually been makign improvements to both.
the bedrock world generation and seeds are almost the exact same now, among nbumerous other things

[sage crag]

plan9 if you will

[nocturne olive]

Ohh
Confusing but sure

[uneven pulsar]

PLAN 9 MENTION IN PROGRAMMING CHAT?!

[fast pagoda]

which makes bedrock automatically garbagio

[silent cloak]

redstone still sucks, entities still suck

[sage crag]

nix ∈ *nix

[silent cloak]

performance is garbage on officially supported systems like the switch

the UI is terrible

[fast pagoda]

breaks compat with literally the entire existing mod/cosmetic ecosystem

cant crossplay

[rigid snow]

that's a stupid reason to hate it but sure

[silent cloak]

tbh id cry tears of joy if they decided to shut it down and just focus on java

[uneven pulsar]

programming chat has never been this based before

[olive sable]

id consider redstone on bedrock better, it jsut doesnt have quasy connectivity (which is a bug) and the update order is inconsistent (which could easily get fixed if they wanted to, or jsut use a mod)

[silent cloak]

the bug is a feature atp

and requires bedrock redstone being more bloated

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[rigid snow]

but also where else would it be mentioned

[uneven pulsar]

awa

[sage crag]

great programming discussion awawawawa

[tender river]

not here

[nocturne olive]

They won't, because marketplace means money

[silent cloak]

yup

[nocturne olive]

Unless you want marketplace to be a Java thing and free modding to be illegal

[olive sable]

you say "more" when bedrock is less bloated than java, thats like the whole point

[silent cloak]

everyone joked back in the day about minecraft if microsoft owned it

[fast pagoda]

i don't see how that's stupid tbh, nobody should react positively to a breaking change that comes without any positives

[silent cloak]

and it ended up coming true

[tender river]

glue gone

[uneven pulsar]

I stepped in rice

[sage crag]

glueless

no longer glueful

[silent cloak]

im talking redstone wise

[tender river]

glueless

[silent cloak]

you cant build as compact machines

[rigid snow]

it's not breaking. nobody is forcing you off of java. it's not deprecated

[olive sable]

you can, jsut not using the same methods as java

[silent cloak]

not as compact

[olive sable]

this is litteraly "its diffrent so i hate it"

[uneven pulsar]

Guys, a bit unrelated to the conversation but, the only language I like half know is Javascript, should I actually use it for anything or just contemplate my existence

[pliant palm]

wait is programming chat shortened to pc?

[rigid snow]

actually glueless

[sage crag]

no

[silent cloak]

bedrock net code is also piss ass which is impressive given javas dog water

[sage crag]

there is no "programming chat"

there is #programming

[silent cloak]

i used to be able to go on any server and pretty much self op

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-miniko-minikomew-gif-17857450978747562560

[silent cloak]

because they gave the client farrr too much control

[rigid snow]

hash tag pro gramming

[pliant palm]

oh mb

[tender river]

theres is no programming chat

[fast pagoda]

it's not directly breaking but it fractures the ecosystem for no reason and especially the fact that java is still around makes it extra dumb because it then has absolutely no reason to exist

[tender river]

there never has been

[pliant palm]

there is no programming chat in ba sing se

[sage crag]

that doesnt make any sense

[proper carbon]

its useful for teaching you basic programming to learn other languages honestly.

[olive sable]

thats a problem witht he server settings no?

[rigid snow]

i don't see why not, js hate is forced anyway

[uneven pulsar]

Reminds me of when Robtop got banned cause he kept abbreviating "creator points"

[sage crag]

you would rather be playing "minecraft: fire tv edition"?

[proper carbon]

if you can figure out the logic with one you can figure out most tbh, atleast roughly

[sage crag]

its less fragmented, not more fragmented

[fast pagoda]

??????

[pliant palm]

fire tv was tuff

until i smashed my family's

[sage crag]

the people playing on devices that now run bedrock would be running their own console port anyway

[uneven pulsar]

I don't think it's all forced, it's definetly not as terrible as everyone says though

especially when it comes to learning it

[sage crag]

now they run on the same version as most others

[silent cloak]

it allows a bunch of unsafe shit

and its a pain in the ass for debugging

[rigid snow]

like 5 different branches of console edition and 3 differently branded pocket editions became one game. is that more fragmented?

[olive sable]

no

[fast pagoda]

there are 2 versions of the same game, with different experiences on each, not obvious to laymen, and java could run on those consoles at this point given that they jvm certainly would run just fine on consoles which are currently a bunch of PCs dressed up as a console

[sage crag]

minecraft java could not run on these consoles, dont kid yourself

[fast pagoda]

yeah it was worse with 30 different console editions

[sage crag]

it barely runs on pc

[pliant palm]

HANK DON'T ABBREVIATE CYBERPUNK

[silent cloak]

depends on the version

[olive sable]

the only reason they havent axed java edition is cuz a bunch of people would complain. they would gladly axe it if you would let them

[uneven pulsar]

buh, to be fair I'm not a Javascript expert or anything so, I'm not gonna argue

[rigid snow]

i am gonna argue

[sage crag]

ok, please consider: the latest version

[rigid snow]

tf you mean unsafe it ain't C

[silent cloak]

new world gen aint the most optimized

[olive sable]

the new world gen is litteraly the same one as java uses

quite literaly made for parity

[sage crag]

nop worldgen isnt at parity between both editions

[sage crag]

im just saying, try playing minecraft 1.21 with pojavlauncher on your phone

[fast pagoda]

java mc has been running on pcs for 17-18 years, if they cant figure out how to make vanilla mc performant on consoles that are orders of magnitude more powerful than mc PC that ran MC in 2010 that's just upsettting
yes the game is bigger now but not to the point that it wouldn't run fine

[tender river]

these bugsarent real

[rigid snow]

no threading to shoot yourself in the foot there either, it's GCd, most of the complaints about the language are actually about browser APIs and not js directly, blah blah

[sage crag]

hi, they did find a way to make vanilla mc performant on consoles, its called bedrock edition

[silent cloak]

honestly its easier to run highly modded versions

like tekkit

[fast pagoda]

that's not vanilla mc, it's an incompatible fork

[rigid snow]

ITS NOT A FORK

[silent cloak]

though i blame the fact they have to work on both bedrock and java atm

[fast pagoda]

rewrite

whatever

[silent cloak]

instead of just focusing on java

because plenty of mods fix mojangs shit performance issues

[fast pagoda]

i wouldnt mind it if they just deprecated one

[olive sable]

they changed it 3 years ago to be at parity no?

[fast pagoda]

it will never be at parity the way they operate with it

[sage crag]

try using the same seed on bedrock and java and tell me if it makes the same world

[nocturne olive]

Today I made the NeuroSynth Linux GPU acceleration support a bit more release quality
It should now hopefully work well on platforms without an Nvidia GPU and correctly hide the CUDA option

[sage crag]

(it doesnt)

[silent cloak]

bedrock edition only has the terrain going for it tbh

[uneven pulsar]

I'm more concerned on the fact that a casual player should know how to install mods just to optimize a block game, don't know much about consoles tho

[silent cloak]

anything relating to network or entities is where it goes to shit

[sage crag]

minecraft java's netcode is similarly awful

[pliant palm]

when the gremlin in the software decides to act up and just disable a random feature 🥀

[olive sable]

its 99% the same. they didnt make the trees and grass at parity

[rigid snow]

you don't have to optimize it, vanilla perf isn't that bad if you don't have a literal potato

[silent cloak]

its bad but not bad enough that you can purely by client spawn in entities

such as command blocks minecarts with op already in it

[nocturne olive]

Juuust in case either I need to distribute it to NeuroSynth users or can get it merged to origin

[uneven pulsar]

it's 🛏️ ?

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

wdym? they changed it to be the same as java?

[silent cloak]

im talking performance wise

[sage crag]

well, when someone manages to get minecraft java running at reasonable performance on nintendo switch maybe i will reevaluate my opinion

[silent cloak]

bedrock doesnt even

https://www.reddit.com/r/ibxtoycat/comments/1jj3ccs/i_hate_bugrock_feel_sorry_for_me/

[uneven pulsar]

Yeah but I feel like you shouldn't just ditch optimization because the visuals aren't that extreme

[sage crag]

still will run better than any equivalent java port

[silent cloak]

still looks unplayable to me

[olive sable]

i mean, imo both java and bedrock suck performance wise. they need to start using mesh shaders

[fast pagoda]

I dont have anything against the concept of bedrock, theoretically it would just be a straight up upgrade, it would replace java and that would be it

they actively make that not the case seemingly on purpose, so i think it's stupid and bad, that's all

minecraft has made them so much money over the years they could've hired every programmer in the entire world to make it indistinguishable within a few years, stuff takes time but not this long without intentionally not doing so

Either deprecate java & give bedrock AT LEAST gameplay parity, or don't do bedrock. don't do both

[rigid snow]

that's never happening i'm sorry to break it to you. the switch is a potato i don't even know the word, it's worse than a potato. it barely ran bedrock when it came out for it

[knotty swallow]

at least for a job as frontend developer

[sage crag]

yup, but it can run bedrock

i have a switch, i have used it

[rigid snow]

i have one too

[silent cloak]

id flip my fucking lid if they tried to stop java

and so would millions

[olive sable]

the problem is, if they remove java edition they will have an angry mob of more than 500 milion people going after them.

[uneven pulsar]

Mojang intentionally makes the games different. Their goal was never for the games to be completely identical, which is why they're not

[rigid snow]

or well i mean i had one, i gave it to someone because i didn't use it much

[sage crag]

java parity isnt the point of bedrock, the point of bedrock is to unify the myriad console ports

[pliant palm]

What's NeuroSynth, if you don't mind me asking?

[nocturne olive]

NeuroSynth is a vocal synthesizer designed to replicate Neuro's voice, except be available for everyone (once we hit 1.0)

[fast pagoda]

the point of bedrock is to buy microtransaction skins instead of making your own, and buy server hosting from them, and mod packs from m$ store, that's the only reason

unifying the console ports is a side effect of consoles being the market that will accept that crap without pushback