programming

[nocturne olive]

By the way our version string scheme is official now
[N/E]S-[B-(?BETA)]-[ver-num]

[pulsar edge]

surely Hallel Ben-Meir successfully debunked a pillar of modern mathematics

[nocturne olive]

Will in the future attempt to include the NeuroSynth or EvilSynth version string with released covers so it's easy to tell quickly what version has been used

[pulsar edge]

you have north, east, and south, but what about west?

[nocturne olive]

That is just a simple scheme string, the N or E is chosen depending on if it's Evil or Neuro

[amber fractal]

Best we got is best

[nocturne olive]

For example, the latest versions of both branches are
NS-B-3.0.1 and ES-B-1

[pulsar edge]

espaniol-beta-1

[nocturne olive]

EvilSynth-BETA-1

[pulsar edge]

I was close

[nocturne olive]

That is the official expanded form, capitalized exactly like this

[real sierra]

im back from the video

[pulsar edge]

did he shatter all of modern mathematics

[real sierra]

tldr "i can cross out this term because it's zero!" (it wasn't zero)

[pulsar edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1101577030778236968.png?quality=lossless&name=Nooo&size=48

[real sierra]

complex numbers will, unfortunately, remain

[pulsar edge]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-sad-spiderman-sad-walking-spiderman-spiderman-web-of-shadows-gif-22616155

did I tell this chat that my CPU died yet

because it did last week

[nocturne olive]

What CPU?

[pulsar edge]

I have a replacement now, even got it on sale, Im just procrastinating putting it in

5800X

[nocturne olive]

Hm, was expecting Intel 13th or 14th

[pulsar edge]

was like $450 when I got it

my replacement is a 5800XT and it was on sale for like $220

I was given advice in another server to undervolt this 5800XT to lengthen its lifespan. Apparently this is a known issue among 8-core ryzen 5000s? (non-3D)

[nocturne olive]

How silly

[pulsar edge]

also let this be a lesson to you guys: dont let your CPU die

I spent a combined >18 hours trying to figure out what was causing my issues

my fingers were raw for 2 days

[nocturne olive]

Hopefully my now undervolted 12700K lasts me a long time, I lack the money I would need to replace it

[pulsar edge]

dead components suck

but diagnosing a dead CPU is such a huge pain

I tried 3 different memory kits, 3 different GPUs, 2 different SSDs and finally 2 different CPUs

oh, I also reseated every PSU cable

[nocturne olive]

I dealt with a laptop with a dead CPU once
Luckily it was an old one where the CPUs are like 3€ each and socketed

It was behaving weird for a very long time until I figured out what was wrong

My theory is that the CPU developed an internal crack, causing it to behave wrong when cold, and eventually stop posting completely until let to heat up

[pulsar edge]

yeah my pc was behaving super strange

eventually it stopped booting altogether

[nocturne olive]

Very much what I would expect from a dying CPU

[pulsar edge]

I thought it was my boot drive when windows said it couldn't find a valid OS, but the Ubuntu LiveCD failing to init the network watchdog was a tell that something else was wrong

[restive fossil]

anyone working on neuro integration for games, do you expose actions she can currently take or just give her aim/movement/interaction

[nocturne olive]

Aim/movement and such requires too much precision from an LLM, it needs to be explicit actions with clear descriptions

[glad path]

sure

[real sierra]

bro did not cook

[glad path]

okie

[sage crag]

spacebar

[sage crag]

awa

[tender river]

awa

[midnight sigil]

I mean, if he can create a totally new axiomatic system, defining sqrt(-1) = 0.87, and proven to be useful. It can be the case

[real sierra]

square both sides

immediate sadness

[tender river]

square

shiro square

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1375623285894807563/IMG_6849.gif

[midnight sigil]

redefine squaring

[tender river]

(tab out)

[real sierra]

squaring is when you multiply by 0.87

the Square constant

[midnight sigil]

the square constant

[real sierra]

this just gave me a terrible idea for an esolang

[midnight sigil]

[real sierra]

the language has a deterministic physics sandbox in which you can create objects, introspect their current properties or advance time via built-ins

interacting with this environment is your only way to perform computations

call it Boing or something

os.time()
pendulum clock

[pulsar edge]

sounds like it could be run on the GPU too

[sage crag]

for certain values of 0.87 yes

[olive sable]

Morning

[sage crag]

somehow

did you actually sleep

[olive sable]

I am working on my sleepchedule

[real sierra]

[olive sable]

Yes

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

triangling

[tender river]

(half squaring)

[olive sable]

I know its supposed to be a compliment or something but this felt like an insult when i woke up

[sage crag]

we have:

pointing
lining
????? (triangling)
squaring
????? (pentagling)
????? (hexagling)

aha, house is a pentagon

housing

[tender river]

homeowner

[tender river]

neuroSadgeHD

[olive sable]

🔺 triangling

[olive sable]

What is this reaction image supposed to mean?

[sage crag]

im cryptomining with a pickaxe

[olive sable]

If only minecraft worked that way

[sage crag]

thats how it works

[olive sable]

Prove it

[olive sable]

Wtf is that???

Never let bro cook again

[sage crag]

you dont appreciate art

[olive sable]

That gif looks like she's getting crushed

Hydrolic press style

[sage crag]

what did you think the H in neuroPogHD meant

[olive sable]

NOOOOOO

[sage crag]

it means hydraulic

[olive sable]

[unkempt citrus]

they never do

If theycould prove it, theyd be in a paper

not a 200 view youtube video

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

not true

i have the greatest ideas the world has ever seen

[sage crag]

try multiplying 0.87 by itself

tell me if its -1

[real sierra]

and im in neuro-sama headquarters instead of a paper

[sage crag]

[unkempt citrus]

yeah but you're special, no one eelse has a birthday every day

the regular rules don't apply to you

happy birhtday btw

[real sierra]

that read like a punch in the face

[unkempt citrus]

[real sierra]

[sage crag]

157 days since shiro birthday

half way to older

[olive sable]

i must not have math 9.3 patch downloaded

[sage crag]

0.7569 == -1

proof by calculator

[tender river]

shiro i can print you

[real sierra]

what does this mean

[olive sable]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

you can, or you are asking for permission to print

[tender river]

both

[sage crag]

[real sierra]

im not copyright or anything i dont think

at least not yet

[olive sable]

Oddly threathening

[sage crag]

in that case i copyright you

unlicensed is perfect opportunity

[tender river]

doesnt work like that only your changes to shiro will be copyrighted

[sage crag]

shiro not copyrighted

[olive sable]

Shiro~™

[sage crag]

i can patent shiro at least

[unkempt citrus]

I believe you do have some IP protections over your own likeness

[tender river]

[unkempt citrus]

unless you forfeit it

[tender river]

get royalties from every shiro user

for 20 years

[sage crag]

nop shiro said not copyright

[unkempt citrus]

its automatic

[real sierra]

can you do that

i dont know if thats a thing that you can do

[sage crag]

too late it done

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187930764873056278/1411143072489672838/minyan-orbit.gif

[olive sable]

Would yall be interesting in a picture of my dog?

You can trademark it idc

I guess not 🥀

[unkempt citrus]

you would have automatic copyright of the photo

by taking itt

[olive sable]

Nuh-uh

I have wavered it or whatever the legal term is

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9QD9an-0jU

[olive sable]

Its september tomorrow

[olive sable]

Hey i know those fish

[olive sable]

Whats the point of getting data from a program if you need to write the program in a way that makes it accesable?

[midnight sigil]

a vulnerability is a vulnerability

you can break sandboxing and stuff idk

[olive sable]

But wouldnt you have to break it yourself?

The program crashes anyways like he showed

[midnight sigil]

you can hook something on the engine and do memory dump stuff idk

[olive sable]

is hhis something i shoukd worry about

Cuz it doesnt really feel like i should

[midnight sigil]

no

not really

it's, just a bug that can be utilized, at least in some way

oh ok

[hollow spruce]

Yo

Making more harder

from enum import Enum
class M(Enum):A=0;B=1;C=2
class N:
def init(s,n):s.n=n;s.m=M.A;s.l=0
o=lambda s,x,y,z:(
setattr(s,"l",0 if (L:=(s.l+(30 if z else 0)+(25 if x>50 else 0)+(20 if y<2 else (10 if y<5 else -5))))<0 else (100 if L>100 else L)),
setattr(s,"m",M.C if s.l>=70 else(M.B if s.l>=30 else M.A))
)
a=lambda s: f"{s.n} "+(lambda m:{M.A:"idle",M.B:"watch",M.C:"chase"}.get(m,'?'))(s.m)
if name=="main":
q=N("X");[(q.o(**k),print(f"{q.l:3d} {q.m.name}->{q.a()}")) for k in[{"x":10,"y":8,"z":0},{"x":60,"y":6,"z":0},{"x":20,"y":1.5,"z":1},{"x":0,"y":10,"z":0}]]

[amber fractal]

Huh, it's no longer essaying

makes sense as they are trying to use neuro emotes

[ruby siren]

Hm this whole convo gave me a lot to think about! I'll be using it for running inferences. I have a 3090ti in an eGPU that I'll be keeping, but I'm actually not too sure what to do with it. Right now it's just plugged into a Pine64 SBC but not sure which atm

[noble zodiac]

let me rant about this for a hot minute. When people hear zero day they think about zero day exploits, thats not what this is. Its a bug that has been found. Technically every bug thats found is a zero day at that moment. Further more it was discovered by google itself by analysing their own code with an AI. Might as well make videos about linter finding "zero days" constantly

[midnight sigil]

yea

[ruby siren]

If 3090ti's are decent enough to train small LLM's I'd love any direction for that

[midnight sigil]

it's just a bug that can and may be utilized

[amber fractal]

Haven't done training, but general advice is to 1. make sure your system is set up (I'm looking at you CUDA) 2. It is generally advised to finetune/distill instead of going from scratch.

[ruby siren]

Yeah also looking for advice on keeping python projects that require certain cuda/python, etc... So far trying Bazzite and mise. I want to use containers instead, but eGPU stuff makes it insanely hard

err bazzite + containers, instead of mise / asdf

not going from scratch makes sense too; I've done a little bit of RNN so I'd probably just be messing with similar techniques that aren't LLMs

[amber fractal]

bazzite is good taste. I got nothing in terms of training on container based.

There are some options for running, but not training

[ruby siren]

Gotcha. I think some self discovery is needed too before I ask questions here.

[amber fractal]

I was eyeing my own FAQ here

[ruby siren]

oshit did I miss the FAQ?

[opaque sigil]

There are nvidia containers, use those

[amber fractal]

Nah it is unoffical

and still incomplete (I wonder who is slacking on it)

One of these days I'll finish this and its automation script

Granted it doesn't go beyond basics, as that depends on the person

[ruby siren]

More to think about lmao thanks for linking that

Vision might be hard just because of OS protections, otherwise I'm thinking just taking a screenshot alongside your prompt with an LLM that supports vision

[amber fractal]

-# geez the github is over 4 months old and still not finished

[ruby siren]

For memory I bet a vector database and an MCP tool with an explicit description of what you should be searching for if needed could do well

[amber fractal]

Yeah, a lot of these are dated and very incomplete. Once I finish this I can work on updating the contents.

I know this still works for not as knowlegable people hopping in here asking for something that works, but the custom section needs to be overhauled.

[ruby siren]

May always be difficult to keep the custom section updated anyways, it changes so fast these days

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ

The vision is here, a markdown file that can generate a SVG and make it into something that can be updated

Started as a meme, probably going to end up being something that might be useful

[ruby siren]

Is the meme part turning markdown into svg? That's pretty wild

[amber fractal]

Yep, had to write a custom parser for that one

[ruby siren]

I love that lmao

[amber fractal]

well mostly using libs, but the graphic designer in me didn't like a few parts

[ruby siren]

My debuff for this stuff is that I'm not trained in python, I'm a frontend + elixir backend guy

ah gotcha

other debuff in life is that I'm not a good graphic designer lmao, hoping to learn figma better

[amber fractal]

The automated versions did not have grouped entries. so each line in the sections was their own table entry. Which is rightfully ugly af

This one is still hardcoded

I believe I have most of it dealt with but just not in git until I can replace it

https://github.com/igglyn/NeuroProgrammingFAQ/blob/main/.github/workflows/png-covert.yml Most cursed part of the repo 💯

[ruby siren]

lmao I don't think that's too bad, I'd just put comments on how and why it's taking a browser screenshot

[amber fractal]

Yeah, I know that one off of the top of my head

embedded html in the image

Which a cursed solution exists for an equally cursed problem

[ruby siren]

What if it were divided by "Third Party" and "Local"? Because even with custom stuff I imagine you might use a third party tool for some things

[amber fractal]

I'm already going to have to triple the image size

[ruby siren]

damn but I think even then local could be divided... Building by hand or using a library / downloaded model

[amber fractal]

because this isn't supposed to just be AI questions

[ruby siren]

gotcha

[amber fractal]

I also have other resources I've been given the greenlight to embed

Like @nocturne olive's Neuro/Evil RVC and Neuro/Evil Synth BETA

[ruby siren]

RVC?

[amber fractal]

Forget the exact meaning, but voice conversion

[olive sable]

A tiktok video with spiderman characters made me learn more particle physics than school did

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdaAhdhn/

[ruby siren]

Ah I see 🫡

[amber fractal]

I personally have a copy of each, I'm glad I never had to use them on anything besides memes

[opaque wharf]

That sneaky sob lmao

[amber fractal]

I'm gonna need to hold a higher pitch better and be british before having any hope of using it well.

[ruby siren]

The rare british buff

Gotta peace now but I appreciate the brainstorming / talks

[opaque wharf]

To be fair, school usually teaches you just the basic because the educator is not the expert on the field

The expert usually teaches higher ed

[amber fractal]

Feel free to come back sometime. If you drop by earlier then you can probably get some more advice on LLMs in particular.

[opaque wharf]

But then again, higher ed lecturers usually don't have an education degree, so even if they are an expert in their field, they may be limited in terms of skill to teach

[opaque sigil]

Me when my prof sucks at teaching but is contractually obligated to teach me

[olive sable]

Well at least spiderman teaches me quatum physics

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, physics is not that bad. Chemistry and biology is what makes me shudder and I am forever thankful I don't work on those fields

[jagged turtle]

recreated voice something I think

[olive sable]

Biology is okay for me, and im good at basic chemistry. Its the last year of midleschool chemistry that i ca´t do

[olive sable]

the switch 2 usb-c out is proprietary apparently

i know for a fact that the switch original worked perfectly over normal usb-c to hdmi

[opaque sigil]

yeah they use vendor defined messages through usb pd to block other devices, whether intentional or not who knows

[opaque wharf]

As LTT puts it, strategic laziness

[olive sable]

it has to be intentional imo. they could have copied the design for switch 1 but chose not to

[unkempt citrus]

biology is too much memorisation for me

much prefer chem and physics with more maths and logic where concepts are remembered more than details

[hollow spruce]

Logic think 💬

[nocturne olive]

Why memory when logic?

[tender river]

i hate misleading graphs that dont start at 0

this is much better dont you think

[hollow spruce]

Hm

[olive sable]

I memorise stuff from just watching it. Its math theorums i dont remember easily

[sage crag]

right

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1059569601144442911/1375623285894807563/IMG_6849.gif

[sage crag]

nuru

[safe path]

kuru

[olive sable]

My great-aunt is starting to get old and cant hear and see very well anymore, so she bought a masive 79" tv and 2 big JBL bookshelf speakers

[tender river]

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue what happened with the loss there

Anyone know what "loss stepping" looking stuff is meant to mean? The loss looks like stairs

[olive sable]

What is that graph for?

[nocturne olive]

NS-B-3.1

[olive sable]

If you stop hearing from me konii is a spy and i got shot

With that i covered my bases so now they cant shoot me

[opaque sigil]

If you're talking about it going up then down that might be double descent

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

No it went flat then jumped flat but lower and then jumped again

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

It kinda looks like a falling edge of a noisy square wave

[opaque sigil]

Idk looks normal to me
Sometimes you just hit a nice spot

[sleek radish]

maybe something with the data, like some weird sample/samples 🤔

[sleek radish]

but as long as both val and train losses go down you're good

[nocturne olive]

In that small bit of graph is already like 200 epochs

[sage crag]

i wonder if you can train a neural network to minimise its own loss

funi nonsense loop

[opaque sigil]

It'll just learn f(x) = 0 immediately

[opaque wharf]

So a neural net with a task to create another network?

[sleek radish]

I think then toast is right, the gradient's just acting funny

[nocturne olive]

Silly

I've literally never seen anything like that happen before

[sleek radish]

working on something similar for my diploma, but the network just generates weights for other models conditioned on a dataset

interesting stuff

[hollow spruce]

Mem test ????

[opaque sigil]

is this a 20yo cpu or what

i feel like i'm being lied to here

[hollow spruce]

Some how 227°c
I think it is wrong

[opaque sigil]

if your L1 can barely do 1 GiB/s you have a big problem

temp too i guess

[sage crag]

oven cpu

[sage crag]

its because its flash memory being cooked

[hollow spruce]

Shutdown

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

elvyn cpu when

[opaque wharf]

The cpu only has 1 instruction

Detonate

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-memes-2022-funny-goofy-gif-26771033

[hollow spruce]

Now hmm

[olive sable]

Big speakers

Shadow would approve

[hollow spruce]

7.2 mode

[olive sable]

Nah she just has 2 speakers

And they're not even at the tv, one is in the livingroom and one is in the kitchen

Ill keep the kitchen jokes for myself

[hollow spruce]

Bass and treble? One or

[olive sable]

Each speaker has a woofer and a tweeter

So im sure the frequency response is fine

They're just not placed well for good stereo, but that wasnt the goal here

[midnight sigil]

burn marks on a cpu is crazy

bro gone through 150°C or smth

[stark needle]

Treble

They look nice tho

[olive sable]

o7

[olive sable]

Shadow, i got a new avr

Or well, its 2ndhand but its new to me

Denon AVR-X6200W

I need to get better speakers for it tho, im still using the shitty ones from the 5.1 system

And the sub still has to go through the old av cuz proprietary

And just like before he dissapears

Truly living up to the name of shadow

[hollow spruce]

What will do after setup?

[opaque wharf]

Sam, new Funny Internet Man video just hit

[olive sable]

its the gaming/teatre room so everyone in the house is free to use it how they feel.
i have a bunch of consoles there for everyone to use how they please and to watch movies

the only issue rn is bas wifi there, but once we start ripping out the floor the put ground wires there we will also lay ethernet to there

this is for in a year or 2 tho, renovating is expensive

[olive sable]

ye i saw, just havent been able to watch yet

[opaque wharf]

Making cellular automata

[olive sable]

no spoilers goddamnit

[opaque wharf]

[opaque wharf]

Spoiler of the video

Dangit, forgot to spoiler it

[olive sable]

"don't ask what he was up to in the 40's"

[hollow spruce]

Somthing random
Product by sam
Edit by sam

[olive sable]

nah i aint taking credit for that

its jsut a gif of the boom amv

[opaque wharf]

The final game result

[tender river]

awawawawawawa

[hollow spruce]

💀💀

[olive sable]

nah the game look scool asf

just a shame he didnt get to submit it cuz he didnt read the rules

[opaque wharf]

He can make an aberration by easter egg seed

[olive sable]

dokibird game-jam: "must feature dokibird"
acerola: 👨‍🦯

i like how google categorizes doki as "musical artist"

[opaque wharf]

Most of vtuber are categorized that way

[olive sable]

really? you'd think google would have added a vtuber category by now

neuro is "fictional character"

[opaque wharf]

He did present himself as corpo lol (vedal ai company, employee reference and whatnot)

[olive sable]

mr. entrepreneur

[tender river]

hungryyyyyyyyy

[olive sable]

eat

[fast pagoda]

php packages are truly a mystery

i hate pear

[opaque wharf]

What happened to composer?

[fast pagoda]

composer can't find 4 packages somehow

[opaque wharf]

Alternatively, drink or snack if on a diet

[fast pagoda]

i have no idea how the FUARK it can't

it's like

ext-calendar

???

[opaque wharf]

Oh, yeah that's a PHP extension not a library

I forgot that pear is for extension lol

[tender river]

never needed a diet

[olive sable]

if anything i need the opposite of a diet

i dont eat enough

[opaque wharf]

It is still a diet

[fast pagoda]

right but even on like the ext-calendar github it just says enable it in composer, it should still be able to do it i think?

[opaque wharf]

Been a long time since I touched any PHP ngl

[fast pagoda]

i dont even know why i do this to myself, i have arch-wiki-docs AND arch-wiki-lite but i said fuk that and am now self hosting a full copy of the arch wiki on my network (well, that's the plan) which is why i'm even having this issue, even though i dont even actually need it

just because i keep getting tilted when the ddos prevents me from getting there

so that means i have to deal with mediawiki

and their own install is like yeah bro just clone this and run composer brah it's all good

not all good

but if the world ends ill still have arch wiki in its entirety if i have electricity so you know maybe it'll be worth it one day

[opaque wharf]

The current DDoS is proof enough that it is worth it

Sure it is only AUR now, but if it's the wiki that they DDoS, imma hunt them down

[fast pagoda]

they have been taking the wiki out at random as well

dunno if it's collateral or what

but yeah whoever it is can suuuuck it

i dont think we even know who it is yet

well we got the extensions working and now

***Could not find a suitable database driver! You need to install a database driver for PHP. The following database types are supported: MariaDB, MySQL, or compatible, PostgreSQL, SQLite.```

oh did i forget to enable the service? 

```MariaDB [(none)]> status
--------------
mariadb from 12.0.2-MariaDB, client 15.2 for Linux (x86_64) using readline 5.1

Connection id:        12
Current database:    
Current user:        afunyun@localhost
SSL:            Cipher in use is TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384, cert is OK
Current pager:        stdout
Using outfile:        ''
Using delimiter:    ;
Server:            MariaDB
Server version:        12.0.2-MariaDB Arch Linux
Protocol version:    10
Connection:        Localhost via UNIX socket
Server characterset:    utf8mb4
Db     characterset:    utf8mb4
Client characterset:    utf8mb4
Conn.  characterset:    utf8mb4
UNIX socket:        /run/mysqld/mysqld.sock
Uptime:            42 min 54 sec

Threads: 1  Questions: 24  Slow queries: 0  Opens: 18  Open tables: 11  Queries per second avg: 0.009
--------------

MariaDB [(none)]> ```

![tired](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1303099542798860328.webp?size=128 "tired")

[opaque sigil]

i'd just like to know what compels someone to do this

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

they wanted me to have a working mediawiki install i guess

that's the entire reason theyre doing it

[opaque wharf]

Spite can be a powerful motivation

[opaque sigil]

i get that but did they even do anything noteworthy that would piss off someone this much to be ddos'ing them for this long

maybe i'm trying to look for logic where there's none

[opaque wharf]

Maybe its those hacker that tried to spread virus via AUR

He got mocked pretty much everywhere

[opaque sigil]

which one

the firefox one?

or was it chrome idk (or both?)

[opaque wharf]

Firefox derivative. Forgot which one

Something with -patch on its package name

[opaque sigil]

ah it was firefox, librewolf & zen

firefox-patch-bin, librewolf-fix-bin & zen-browser-patched-bin

[opaque wharf]

Yep

At least the package name didn't lie lmao

Beside the librewolf one

[fast pagoda]

this is what the youtube linux news channel that i mindlessly watch thought it might be

it was also google-chrome-stable or something like that

that was the first one i think

oh wait

[fast pagoda]

the chrome one came after these ones

my b

finally

what i like most about this right now is that i have a bunch of completely empty directories under extensions/ which causes git to have an existential crisis when i try to commit to my local repo

and these directories aren't even present on the gitlab for the archwiki mediawiki, which is what i cloned, so i think composer created them when i ran the install and now i have to find all the random bullshiet it created and remove it in order to be able to use my repo again since it won't add empty directories to a commit obviously but it also sees said directory and panics

[opaque sigil]

Ever heard of .gitkeep

[fast pagoda]

i have but i dont want these directories

so i dont want to keep them

[opaque sigil]

Ah

[fast pagoda]

but also the modify data on these indicates they were placed in the directory wen i cloned the repo

but they're not in the repo

??????????

oh what the fug

so they're "folders" that gitlab has in the repo but what they actually are if you open the folders are links to other repos

but the clone didnt go through and populate the content of the repos into the folders so on my end theyre just totally empty directories because i am apparently meant to go clone those into those directories

interesting

but i mean they're configured as submodules

maybe im wishing they were subtrees and not submodules

[olive sable]

awawawawawawawawawawa

[fast pagoda]

because i WAS sitting here reinitializing the submodules thinking that's what they were at first and it was not helping

[fast pagoda]

this is the loudest thing ever produced by mankind

(if you're me and had your volume high)

[olive sable]

the bass is set to +6dB but the gain is at -6dB so it should be fine

anyways i have uniform buffers now. this means i can do spinny things and transforms and matrices and a bunch of other cool stuff

[fast pagoda]

i set the dials on my speakers based on vibes so my sub has been turnt UP today so it's really on me

[olive sable]

this is still doing 13K fps so it seems this didn't change the performance at all

[fast pagoda]

reading is fundamental, turns out i can't read

== User Information ==

Extensions are distributed separately. Drop them into this directory and enable
as per the extension's installation instructions.

You can find a list of extensions and documentation at
<https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Category:Extensions>.

== Development Information ==

If you are a developer, you might want to fetch the extension tree in another
directory and make a symbolic link:

 mediawiki/extensions$ ln -s ../../extensions-trunk/FooBar

Most extensions are available through Git:
    https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/extensions
blah blah blah <continued>```

[fast pagoda]

need 14k

[olive sable]

easily done, just remove the gpu syncing and you get 47K

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

this just makes it incompatible with most dgpu's

and will have incomplete renders in llvmpipe

[fast pagoda]

i like creating things that just get flushed

for no reason

[earnest basin]

sounds like you have noting to do

or in other words your bored

[fast pagoda]

im thrilled, im configuring mediawiki

it's extremely exciting

i definitely wanted to be doing this several hours later

well it's only been like an hour and i went to grab food between but still

[earnest basin]

oh sick

you cooking or orderinng

[fast pagoda]

little caesars lol

[earnest basin]

ahh nice

bon appetit

when you get your food

[tender river]

what

fish doesnt support ? globs

[opaque wharf]

Someone should make a shell named chicken, beef, and all other varieties. It's unfair that only fish got a shell

Or maybe turtle

[fast pagoda]

fish works until suddenly they've decided a random syntax isn't modern and replace it for actually no reason i've found

[tender river]

no they havent replaced it

they just removed it

[fast pagoda]

oh even better

lol

fish moment

[tender river]

still better than configured zsh

[opaque wharf]

I still prefer omz

[fast pagoda]

no >:(

(it probably is)

[tender river]

i tried configuring zsh

and it was just a worse experience

[odd pollen]

I prefer chicken over fish

[tender river]

at least autocomplete wise

[fast pagoda]

worse than having no ? glob support

[tender river]

realistically it was done to stop urls from being parsed as globs

[fast pagoda]

did they remove all wildcard expansion

[tender river]

of course they kept *

[opaque wharf]

That's... weird

[fast pagoda]

i guess i can see it with how frequent ? is in urls

but like just don't parse it naively like that idk

[opaque wharf]

I mean, how often do you guys need to paste URL to shell that contains some query params?

[tender river]

pretty often

[olive sable]

i wasnt watching stream, i just saw a new neuro song got released on my youtube homepage?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[fast pagoda]

nyes

[trim valve]

no

[olive sable]

yes?

[opaque wharf]

Today is twin karaoke and the song is their duet too

[nocturne olive]

For absolutely no reason whatsoever, I may or may not be cooking a new NS model

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

Often enough for me to wish zsh did not support ? globs

[opaque wharf]

What are you guys doin in the terminal

[opaque sigil]

wget

[tender river]

just about everything?

[opaque sigil]

I've lost count of the amount of times I've had to rerun a command just to wrap a URL in quotes

[tender river]

kitty
librewolf
krita
gimp
obs
nheko
keepassxc
osu!

cover nearly 100% of my needs

[fast pagoda]

me irl

when TUI osu!

[tender river]

no

[fast pagoda]

you should contribute TUI osu! to the world

i think if anyone can do it, it's you

[tender river]

i'd rather contribute emacs osu!

[fast pagoda]

i mean either way it'd be something

hell even vim osu!

[opaque wharf]

neko has desktop version?

[tender river]

nheko

[olive sable]

hmmm. i should go to bed soon

[opaque wharf]

Oh, a very different app

[fast pagoda]

i feel as though i should use matrix but i dont know for what

[opaque wharf]

To convince others to use matrix

[fast pagoda]

i mean, ostensibly it's for messaging, but who

[opaque sigil]

I only use matrix to talk to my thesis advisor

[fast pagoda]

and is that because your thesis advisor is gigabased and required that as the method of communication

[tender river]

the entirety of nixos community is on there (not really the entirety, but it's the main communications channel)

[fast pagoda]

that checks out

[opaque sigil]

Yeah, he explicitly said not to contact him through ms teams too

[opaque wharf]

Based

[fast pagoda]

i mean that's one of the more reasonable things anyone could ever say

please god don't make ms teams appear anywhere near me thanks

[olive sable]

ye, we got introduced to using ms teams per class in our 1st year of middle school, and instead everyone started using messenger or discord

[tender river]

anyway, you can use matrix talk to anyone you can convince to talk on there

and importantly you can use bridges

which bridge conversations between matrix and other platforms

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/nyc-brooklyn-verrazanno-bridge-gif-5515336

[tender river]

(depending on the platform and the way the bridge is set up it may or may not break the relevant tos)

[fast pagoda]

last time i was able to convince anyone to use a chat platform was google hangouts which is now ripperoni although i'm happy with google not having my entire conversation history (even tho they do since i have an android phone)

[tender river]

with all due respect, matrix is not google hangouts

[fast pagoda]

of course

[tender river]

its more like google talk

[fast pagoda]

much more robust

[nocturne olive]

When you have 2 GPUs and you're using both:

[olive sable]

that is how i would expect that to look like

[tender river]

another thing you might want to know is, matrix is not made for gamers, it doesnt have remotely good integrated voice/video chat

[fast pagoda]

google talk was yeeted into hangouts and then hangouts was yeeted into chat

[tender river]

(mumble is good for voice chat though)

[tender river]

overall matrix is a mess like so many protocols designed by the open-source community, but it works and what more can you really ask of such projects

[fast pagoda]

matrix is like some kinda federated libre discord to my mind

i mean matrix itself is just the protocol

right?

[tender river]

mhm

[fast pagoda]

so then it kinda matters what client you're using and what you're connecting to so i'm sure some servers are similar to a discord server others completely different but idk other than that

[tender river]

servers are mostly all the same

clients do matter

[opaque wharf]

Not just good, but has good game integration as well

Like some even support positional audio

[fast pagoda]

i saw some youtube video of teamspeak's new version

[tender river]

true, discord doesnt have anything like that

[fast pagoda]

teamspeak visually looks a lot more like a discord now but still works totally differently and more similar to mumble

[opaque wharf]

There's also https://rocket.chat

[tender river]

matrix clients' ui is basically whatsapp

[fast pagoda]

never really understood what the benefits of mumble were over teamspeak or viceversa, i know a long time ago after xsplit exploded we moved to teamspeak and then at some point they said FUCK teamspeak and we moved to mumble and then discord came out and that was that

sorry

xfire

not xsplit

[tender river]

mumble is foss for one

[opaque wharf]

Mumble is open source

And their auth model is good

[fast pagoda]

[opaque wharf]

Also their ICE API

[fast pagoda]

internal combustion engine API

[astral trellis]

This fire

[opaque wharf]

I do wish they still maintain the gRPC, but yeah, the ZeroC ICE can be used to make a bot too

[fast pagoda]

lol wtf

someone has resurrected xfire

https://xf1re.com/

jjust how i remember

[opaque wharf]

Another alternative is https://revolt.chat

[fast pagoda]

now im getting into the real pages I need truly

[fast pagoda]

chat clients are just gonna be discord/slack clones forever huh

[opaque wharf]

I don't think there's any other improvement for UI really

[fast pagoda]

that's fair i mean i can't think of how i'd improve it beyond rolling back to the drawing board completely and making everyone mad that they can't find anything

[opaque wharf]

At least layout wise

[astral trellis]

This beautiful

[fast pagoda]

i personally nearly shit my pants when discord changed the mobile UI to have all the nav on the bottom bar

wrote like an entire dissertation on how they are the most incompetent pieces of <filtered> on the planet for ruining my UI and how i was rolling that update back IMMEDIATELY and sent it to discord then reverted it

i only hope my passionate rambling was what tipped the scales towards them canceling that update

[fast pagoda]

this thing is dumping this wiki into a single .xml file which is currently 600 mb and 11 million lines already when i am at page ~1000 of 27122

had to sigkill gvim to get it to close after opening it

ai would love to munch on this

[opaque wharf]

Why do you always have some shenanigans involving cursed big data

[fast pagoda]

i really dont know what's wrong with me

[nocturne olive]

Would be funny to know what LLM abomination you could pretrain from that

[fast pagoda]

and superbox this is indirectly because of the neuros.click page lmfao

[nocturne olive]

Whuh?

[fast pagoda]

i needed a winscp config and i cant run that on linux (might be able to on wine but i decided to do this because i figure i should have a working windows vm just in case)

so, in my infinite wisdom i got to work setting up virtualbox, opened the arch wiki page for virtualbox to have a reference

arch wiki was down

due to the ddos

so i got HUGE mad

and now im doing this

[nocturne olive]

WayTooSilly

[fast pagoda]

i could've just asked you for the config assuming winSCP is what you use (i assume since you have referenced it specifically a few times)

but i also wanted to go through setting up the stupid program just in case there's some wild shit about configuring it that i dont know even though there's almost no shot there is anything strange

[nocturne olive]

It's just what is recommended for use, not like I have an FTP client on my local machine

[fast pagoda]

oh

[nocturne olive]

WinSCP is just better than most other clients

[fast pagoda]

well see this is all necessary and definitely a good use of time then

this dump is going to be going for the rest of eternity since i didn't feel like ALSO ddosing them and kept the 1.5s delay on requests

so i guess it's back to virtualbox

[fast pagoda]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ join the revolution, mentally sound folks here only

[stark needle]

Who even

[olive sable]

the internet

ez next question

[olive sable]

if you're poor or the device doesnt support 10TB like an original xbox then yes

ez next question

[fast pagoda]

there are 97,380,212 titles in ISBN13 currently

[olive sable]

nobody said anything about isbn13

[fast pagoda]

https://phiresky.github.io/blog/2025/visualizing-all-books-in-isbn-space/

this guy made a cool visualization of it for an archive

[fast pagoda]

i was referencing it since that post mentioned 20million ebooks

was curious how many books in general were around

[olive sable]

wattpad counts as ebooks

Wattpad hosts over a billion uploaded stories, as reported in July 2021, though exact real-time figures aren't publicly available.

[fast pagoda]

never heard of it but i just opened it and it has that horrible corpo giant hands and arms art style and the trending ebooks have a bunch of AI generated covers so

sounds like a nightmarish place

[olive sable]

wattpad is mostly fanfic afaik

i have never used the platform before besides that one time a friend of a friend made a fanfic of shrek

[fast pagoda]

yes yes i too have "friends" with interesting hobbies

[olive sable]

hey it wasnt me, that friend of a friend was a girl in my grade

[fast pagoda]

ALL THE GENRES
list of genres it presents:
romance
werewolf
fantasy
short story
lgbtq+
new adult

[olive sable]

yep, its the type of platform for teenage girls

[fast pagoda]

i don't think i'd be able to read a fanfiction produced by anyone i know personally

[olive sable]

boys too i guess i just dont know a single guy that uses it

[fast pagoda]

i don't think i'd be able to read a fanfiction produced by myself tbh

[olive sable]

i dont think i'd be able to read a fanfiction

[fast pagoda]

that part

[tender river]

i have a vague memory of someone writing a fanfic about me but i don't really want to think about it

[olive sable]

dont noway that

thats not pog

kinda creepy actually imo

[fast pagoda]

well i mean it depends on the category of fanfiction lmaooooo

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

they are (i assume, ive never actually seen proof of this being the case because all ive ever borne witness to contradicts this) not all werewolf romance

[olive sable]

nah if someone did that to me id move to a diffrent country and change my name

[tender river]

also for fanfics ao3 >>> wattpad

[fast pagoda]

now that i think about it there are a lot of fanfics about you @tender river

(in my head you are just asuka langley)

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

open source version

[olive sable]

oh ye, happy birthday to hatsune miku
31st of august apparently

she's 18 now

wait a minute

[tender river]

happy 18th 16th birthday

[fast pagoda]

yep she's officially turned 16 for teh 18th time

i got mobbed in gen once for saying miku is 16 (because she is)

[olive sable]

today is not a good day

[fast pagoda]

w-why

i mean every day is another day forwards towards the self-immolation of our planet and society yes but why other than that

[olive sable]

as long as i can keep doing graphics ill be fine

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

me when society crumbles and i still have my self hosted arch mediawiki running clean:

[tender river]

me when society crumbles and i cant use my pc because the nixos binary cache is not available

[fast pagoda]

yeah and i have a wiki full of pages telling me to download packages from a nonexistent AUR

[olive sable]

not for me in particular, im doing good. mostly for the people around me

[fast pagoda]

alright next up is self hosting the AUR

[olive sable]

a lot of my friends will be going to school tomorrow

im going to visit their school to laugh at them

and we're gonna go play uno

[fast pagoda]

tomorrow is the holiday where we "celebrate labor" in the least labor celebrating country that can claim an "advanced" economy wooo yay hooray

[olive sable]

"dag van de arbeid" is on may 1st here

[fast pagoda]

idk why labor day is on sept 1st here

[tender river]

aka "everyone celebrates it on may 1st but thats associated with labor movements but we want to celebrate servitude instead"

[fast pagoda]

honestly that's the only explanation that makes sense and my headcannon

because it's like US/CANADIA/AUS that have random other labour days but everywhere else actually celebrates the international one

at least canada and australia pretend

[olive sable]

in which country do you even live?

[fast pagoda]

burgerland

[olive sable]

i thought the us right?

[olive sable]

thats germany

[fast pagoda]

germans in the US back in the day turned this place into neoburgerland

[olive sable]

okay

[tender river]

thats a classic tactic, if you want people not to celebrate something make your own worse version on it on a completely different date and also schedule some overlapping holidays just in case

like when they introduced "unity day" in russia

[olive sable]

bruh

isnt the 1st of may a holiday for something that happened in the usa?

[tender river]

it is

haymarket massacre was it

[olive sable]

they should be the ones to celebrate may 1st the most

[fast pagoda]

1st may is not a recognized holiday in the US

[tender river]

no, thats precisely the reason they dont want to associate with it

[fast pagoda]

at least it's not a federally recognized holiday

closest holiday to 1st may would be cinco de mayo

[olive sable]

i get that from a perspective of the gov not wanting that i guess. but i feel like the people would be better of with may 1st

[fast pagoda]

"the people"

imagine that mattering

[olive sable]

this separation was reinforced to distance the holiday from its associations with socialist and communist movements, which were prominent on May 1st in other parts of the world
nah thats stupid

why is eeveryone there so afraid of a social system that diffrent from their own?

[fast pagoda]

they take my votes every 2 years and throw them in the incinerator (to produce extra CO2)
if there's one thing i know as a person stuck here it's that the will of the people means nothing here

[olive sable]

actually dont aswer that

rule 3 and 9

[fast pagoda]

oh right true

anyways yeah i like to keep local backups of things i find useful because when they get DDoSd then i can just use them

[olive sable]

damn rich people katekeeping everything

[fast pagoda]

that graph is just unsteady enough that it makes it look like someone drew it with the paintbrush

[open copper]

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

hello heir

[open copper]

maybe lets not talk about politics and ideologies and all of that

[fast pagoda]

sorry bout that heir you are so right

[olive sable]

sorry ye

[fast pagoda]

arch wiki progress

very svelte 2.3gigs so far

i like how these pages, most languages use the same pagenames as the others, but one or 2 localizations will decide the pagename can't describe it in their language so they strike their own path

eCryptfs page on arch wiki is just eCryptfs for most languages but then spanish rolls with

Cifratura del sistema con eCryptfs

[fast pagoda]

i feel like everytime dependabot yells at me because of some insane CVE it's pillow

im about to just never use pillow again because im tired of it apparently just being plum full of buffer overflow vulnerabilities

[tender river]

are there really any alternatives

[fast pagoda]

i was typing that while simultaneously thinking exactly that

[fast pagoda]

btw i installed neovim to hopefully finally get off my lazy ass and figure out a vim editor
lunarvim looked cool (to hold my hand more than anything) but whenever i use a new thing i like to just take the nice pristine base configuration and just toss a bunch of random shit + the kitchen sink on top of it in the form of addons/plugins (if it supports them)

i have lazygit already so im probably gonna install the git plugin for that, i have LSP configured and i have a tree sitter plugin, are there any "mandatory" plugins for nvim or is it more of a "use what you want dummy that's the point" sort of thing

also from a cursory search the answer for pillow alternative appears to be just about 'not really' as far as drop ins go
scikit-image and imagemagick come to mind and also appeared in the few suggestions i found but they are also obviously not identical + scikit cant really do bulk//batches ootb although that's simple enough just through looping. apparently not as fast as pillow though. imagemagick can do parallel though which is nice + supports better variety of colorspaces & formats

seems manageable but semi-annoying in random edge cases to replace

[pulsar edge]

@rancid mango

[pulsar edge]

but for real, you'd think they would go through and fix a bunch of them at this point

[fast pagoda]

it's like every couple months it starts screeching about how urgent it is that i update pillow man

[pulsar edge]

my solution?

[fast pagoda]

obviously it's a nice surface to try and poke at so that is kinda how it be but damn

[pulsar edge]

goodbye dependabot

[fast pagoda]

lmao

out of sight out of mind

[pulsar edge]

just setup a gh action to run pip update or whatever the command is every 30 days

surely that won't go horribly wrong when an API changes

[fast pagoda]

i love semver 360 sniping myself with semver majors

[pulsar edge]

I literally cannot do semver on my own projects

I would significantly rather use a single number, or maybe two to allow for hot fixes

[fast pagoda]

i only use it if there's any chance of the thing interacting with other humans and it's for a discord bot client so it can be sent stuff which does make it attackable i guess, not that i think anyone cares or would bother

[fast pagoda]

i don't use semver

i use

....

4 version numbers

idk why

but that's what made sense to me a million years ago and i still use it

so mine is actually more annoying than semver probably

[pulsar edge]

yeah, I started working on a thing with a friend that'll probably get published to nuget

odds are that'll use semver

but its microsoft semver, so its 4 numbers

Major.Minor.Patch.Build or something

[fast pagoda]

wtf micro$oft stole my mf versioning

[pulsar edge]

somehow even dumber than what I thought it was

why is revision after build

[fast pagoda]

yeah that

is something

i dont like that

i mean i guess

but like would the build not also go up

how do you have a v2 of a build number

would it not just be build number+1

apparently it's because the real differentiation for microsoft is major.minor

anything with the same major.minor is intended to be compatible as far as breaking changes go

[pulsar edge]

wait what

wait no

im thinking backwards

[fast pagoda]

the build and revision aren't really coming after one or the other

[pulsar edge]

OHH

its for LTS

[fast pagoda]

it's security stuff apparently more than anything

for like security patches

[midnight sigil]

major.minor.hotfixVersion-devState_isLTS

[pulsar edge]

I mean, is that not kinda how semver works already?

with semver you can have 1.2.3 -> 2.0 -> 2.1 -> 1.2.4 (CVE fix)

[fast pagoda]

idk the way this guy here answered it makes sense to me https://stackoverflow.com/questions/3098167/why-is-system-version-in-net-defined-as-major-minor-build-revision

The version of an assembly, when it comes down to it, is Major.Minor. From the aforementioned link, Microsoft says, "Subsequent versions of an assembly that differ only by build or revision numbers are considered to be Hotfix updates of the prior version." [My emphasis]

The Build represents a recompilation of the same source. The Revision represents a code change, but one that is fully interchangable with other revisions of the same [Major.Minor] version. But neither takes precedence over the other.

So, in summary, don't think of it as:

+ Major
|
+-+ Minor
  |
  +-+ Build
    |
    +-+ Revision

But instead:

+ Major
|
+-+ Minor
  |
  +-+ Build
  |
  +-+ Revision

[pulsar edge]

again, is that not how semver already works?

in semver, you dont make breaking canges on a patch update

[fast pagoda]

yeah it is

i can just see i guess why someone might want to have 2 different indicators after minor depending on what is being changed

someone being a giant corpo like ms

[pulsar edge]

oh, true

[olive sable]

@gritty dust

vulkan spinny boy

[gritty dust]

YOOOO

peak

lol

[olive sable]

now running at 13K fps

[gritty dust]

lol u really want them frames

[olive sable]

we've reached 47K before, now im just trying to make something useful while keeping performance good

[gritty dust]

wowza, damn well vedal looking good lol

[olive sable]

nah that was jsut a triangle

you missed the whole triangle arc

🔺

[gritty dust]

I saw most of the triangle arc lol

[karmic scarab]

Guys, is this place about learning how to program or something

[olive sable]

its just a general programming chat

both experienced people and newcomers go here

[lament igloo]

https://youtu.be/QBEKlIV_70E

Ive seen this happen in action
Wtf actually 🥀

When i install certain apk files and open it nowadays, google play will stop me from doing so

[olive sable]

aight goodnight

[waxen delta]

Guys halp

I’m programming on netbeans IDE and for some reason my forward slash just turned into a yen symbol

you know what

i’m just gonna run it with hopes it doesn’t really matter that much

Okay yeah it doesn’t matter even though it’s a yen symbol instead of forward slash

[tender river]

its the same \ character

whether its rendered as a yen or a backslash depends on your encoding

also forward slash (/) is never the yen symbol

[waxen delta]

Oh yeah backslash sorry i always get switched up between the two

[rancid mango]

[mighty thorn]

Yo

[opaque sigil]

[mighty thorn]

What are the chances that any of you happen to have ever jailbroken a Jibo

I’m assuming it’s about a 0%

But I’m getting desperate

It’s been like a month and a half

And I’m no closer than I was 3 days in

(Look at my banner if you don’t know what a Jibo is)

(Yes that was taken where you think it was taken)

[dapper shadow]

reminder i got 20k on a calculator

lol

@mighty thorn how do you meet neuro irl
there is no neuro irl

[mighty thorn]

Neuro car

I spoke to her

Out in the real world

That’s a meeting in my book

[dapper shadow]

doesn't feel
like you

"met" her

more like you
"saw" her

[mighty thorn]

I’m not changing the bio

[fast pagoda]

12gigs

so far

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

it's not downloaded a single image yet so it's just 12 gigs of pure text right now

[nocturne olive]

That would go great on an LLM

[true hemlock]

will we have another leaderboard on this lmao

[true hemlock]

damn whats that

[nocturne olive]

I believe it is the Arch wiki

[nocturne olive]

I don't think so, it's just Sam actually making progress on the game engine

[fast pagoda]

yeah i got big mad at the arch wiki being ddos'd earlier so i installed mediawiki locally and am downloading the entire thing in full w/ all media to have it locally hosted and backed up

so as long as i have electricity i'll have the thing available

it's taking forever because i didn't want to contribute to the ddos with my own lil' non-distributed denial of service hitting their servers like crazy so i left a 1.5s delay between requests

it's dumping into one(1) currently 12.1gb .xml file lol

209,968,457 lines rn according to wc, cant open it in an editor because every one i've tried does NOT appreciate trying to load it

27123 articles found on the init of this dump so at nearly 18k i'm over halfway there now

still need to get images and media though after this part

thank god i'll have the talk page for wiki stubs

[nocturne olive]

Apparently 5x A#5 was not enough for NeuroSynth to learn how to sing A#5

Uhh
Where does one get crash dumps on Linux? It seems like my whole system just crashed suddenly

[tender river]

my dad has been programming for decades with plain vim without plugins so its very much usable in its bare form
if you like having a file explorer use nvim-tree
if you want completion set up cmp and telescope and stuff
if you want automatic identation detection use vim-sleuth
obviously autopairs is very useful
which-key will list available hotkeys
then there are other useful plugins that let you replace/add/remove brackets or other surrounding characters, or work with comments (but also comments can just be done in vanilla vim with block selection + shift-i), or quickly jump to the beginning of any single word on your screen in just 3 keypresses, but it's just personal preference at that point

[opaque wharf]

You know, I never thought about it but its obvious. Everyone has a family. I somehow just assume everyone here is like, born out of thin air

[tender river]

[fast pagoda]

i do have tree (and lunarvim has one as well obviously since it's like ide-vim)
vim-sleuth will put on the list
autopairs too
which-key sounds like it was made for me, what's the word jump one called?

also your father seems powerful

lol

[tender river]

word jump = snipe

[fast pagoda]

i wish i was a wizard of that tier

[nocturne olive]

So anyone know? I need to figure out why my PC just randomly froze and automatically reset itself

[fast pagoda]

journal

[nocturne olive]

I hope it's just the Nvidia driver and not my CPU

[tender river]

okay i'll have to find the particular one

i dont think its called snipe in nvim

[fast pagoda]

if it totally shut your computer down then you can do

journalctl -b -1 -p err

[nocturne olive]

It froze and automatically reset

[fast pagoda]

oh wait that's for boots

well i think depending on what happened it will output the last reason on next boot or something into journal

[tender river]

oh here https://github.com/ggandor/leap.nvim

[fast pagoda]

thank you!

journalctl -k -b -1 -e will show only the end (-e) from previous boot (-b & -1 specifies last 1 boot), and kernel only (-k)

[fast pagoda]

meant to reply to this

you can also add some sort of | grep for like kernel panic segfault Oops Call Trace fatal error oom-killer

[nocturne olive]

With that I see nothing that looks like it would cause a crash, there is exactly one even shown for today

And it's just whatever this is

[fast pagoda]

journalctl -b -1 -p 3 sets the log level it's searching for to error/critical/alert might help

apparmor is just what some distros use instead of like SELinux

can try dmesg --level=err,warn too

and that's just telling ur printer daemon to fuck off it can't have elevation

since CUPSd is the printer daemon

[nocturne olive]

Nothing out of the ordinary here

[fast pagoda]

if you do journalctl -b just straight up it will show you the start of this most recent boot

[nocturne olive]

This is the entire output here

[fast pagoda]

if you do just journalctl -b and then hit up arrow to see the logs right before the boot started is there anything

[nocturne olive]

That's somehow all logs from exactly 7:08 and 1 second

[fast pagoda]

boot logs ? keep going if theyre looking like the boot output cuz when it restarted it would start shitting out logs fror the boot process

[nocturne olive]

Scrolling down 1200 lines got logs from 7:08 and 2 seconds

[nocturne olive]

7:08 was way before it rebooted itself

[olive sable]

No thanks, wait till i have made a more impactful diffrence

Goodmorning btw

[fast pagoda]

use pg dn to go faster scrollin

would need like the ~200 lines before the actual reboot

if it's nvidia you'd probably have nvrm shitting out Xid errors

[nocturne olive]

How interesting

So maybe these are all logs from the previous boot but the time somehow jumped back when the system crashed??

[fast pagoda]

well, maybe sudo modprobe pstore to make sure you're capturing panics and actually keeping them

[fast pagoda]

well it reads time from the RTC (runs off cmos battery) when it boots so if it's any different than the system time when it boots it'll do that

[nocturne olive]

I guess it must have somehow been off or something?

[fast pagoda]

it's fairly frequently off but you likely never notice

it has to sync w/ NTP time on boot which is treats as authoritative so the RTC being not perfect and definitely not up to NIST standards will often be off by a lil

[nocturne olive]

Well apparently mine is off by 2 hours

[nocturne olive]

And what was this supposed to do?

[fast pagoda]

you can do like dmesg -T | grep -iE 'nvrm|xid'it could maybe slightly rule out nvidia, -T if you want actual human time, leave out -T if you want seconds from last boot. -i removes case and -E extends the regex to allow | as or without an escape char

[nocturne olive]

That just gives whatever this is

[fast pagoda]

it enables persistence of panics across reboots, modprobemanages kernel modules
pstore just maakes a persistent storage for panics and such to be saved in a special area of mem so that it comes back next boot

first line is from network card and 2nd is just loading nvrm on boot

so then i'd say it's probably not an nvidia crash

[nocturne olive]

I really have no clue how it just suddenly froze like that, I've never seen anything like that
First YouTube stopped playing, then windows stopped updating their graphics (still movable) and then finally after a few more seconds the mouse stopped being movable, then a few more seconds from that and the PC reset itself

[fast pagoda]

what's your cpu

[nocturne olive]

12700K

[fast pagoda]

i mean it SOUNDS like a hang from a driver crash which it couldn't recover from and then just rebooted since it couldn't do anything else

[nocturne olive]

It very much did feel like something went wrong with the GPU driver

The symptoms were similar to when I had an unstable GPU overclock on Windows, except that was more of an instant freeze

[fast pagoda]

dmesg -T | grep -iE 'error|fail|xid|xid' really gives nothing interesting at all huh
given the lack of anything in your logs i would imagine perhaps whatever it was happened and you didn't actually have persistence enabled (which the modprobe thing should prevent losing this info if it happens again)

if you open just the journalctl -b btw shift + g takes you all the way to the end instantly (i think that's a default keybind)

[nocturne olive]

Nothing much of interest

[fast pagoda]

nothing interesting

tainting kernel

[nocturne olive]

Probably just a missing signature

[fast pagoda]

i would guess that is the crash

well

wait are you on proprietary drivers, not open?

[nocturne olive]

It doesn't really look out of the ordinary

[nocturne olive]

Yes?

From what I'm aware the open ones suck

[fast pagoda]

it's out of the ordinary for me because i dont load closed source drivers

[fast pagoda]

old info

what's your gpu rn again

the open drivers are the one you want after ~550

[nocturne olive]

I was on an open driver at one point (open-570) and it locked up on the lock screen

Like hard-locked, no response to any commands

[fast pagoda]

i could see that happening on either open or closed nvidia drivers anyways

if your coffee grounds arranged the wrong way and the wind was slightly too strong

because nvidia drivers

but in general loading the proprietary drivers instantly taints the kernel which basically just means random shit might happen and the help becomes more of a because it's in a 'weird' state from the start

BERT: [Hardware Error]: Skipped 1 error records this one does mean that something hardware related happened in the boot beforehand that didn't actually get recorded

[nocturne olive]

This is the driver I'm on
Apparently driver manager thinks the 3090 is my primary GPU

[fast pagoda]

i'd be slapping 575 open on there and seeing if it remains stable

there's a reason you don't see the proprietary drivers after 550

im pretty sure they literally stopped development on them?

and it's just open only now

so if you're on proprietary you're like 30 versions out of date and stuff starts happening

[nocturne olive]

So far 550 has been fine and stable under full load on dual GPUs, I have no idea if I can replicate that crash

[fast pagoda]

im on open which is currently on 580

ubuntu is a bit behind tho

but still

that's a lotta driver versions to the point i'd no longer be surprised if it's unstable just from upstream changes in everything surrounding the nvidia driver

550 is from like

first half of 2024

[nocturne olive]

So apparently the reason I don't have 570 listed is because I'm kernel 6.8 and it needs 6.11

[fast pagoda]

you do be living in first half of 2024

6.8 was EOL at end of may 24

[nocturne olive]

I'm using the kernel that came with Mint 22.1

[nocturne olive]

Are you sure? It's been getting updates regularly

See, there's one right now

[fast pagoda]

it would still get like security updates probably if it's lts which i think is the mint default

yeah it's using ubuntu HWE kernel which lets it keep getting updates for security//major bugs

and support new hardware

[nocturne olive]

That sure is a long support time

[fast pagoda]

yes that's why it's long term

ubuntu be ubuntuing

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile 6.14

[fast pagoda]

non lts

that's a more standard lifetime for a kernel version