programming

[jagged turtle]

no seriously, that was uncalled for

then go listen

[river oak]

bro got lost in his own bit

[tender river]

no you were just rude

[jagged turtle]

I'm just... gonna go work on the vscode extension again, that stream was great but could have been better due to... technical/usage issues on our part

[tender river]

i don't know what you're talking about but you were genuinely rude.

people aren't trying to deceive you or anything and thinking that is psycho behavior ngl

yes

you also cursed at them

[river oak]

lmao

[tender river]

jokes can be rude

"i'm just joking" is not an excuse

and, again, this is not you being gaslit

[amber fractal]

Your only gaslighting yourself thinking that your gaslit

[faint sandal]

5brain

[river oak]

c wоrd hаrd r is not allowed here period

[tender river]

bye chat i'll continue working on my lisp

[amber fractal]

Cya chat, I'm noping out of this

[river oak]

hope you recover

[tender river]

?

[river oak]

depends

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/916000825325780992.png?quality=lossless&name=trolley&size=48

[tender river]

i mean you're probably used to spaces where its normal to be rude

sorry but i meant what i said

again, you cursed at them

and cursing at someone "as a joke" is still cursing at someone

[faint sandal]

ios is so ass i can't login to twitter on browser when lockdown mode is on

[river oak]

schizo fr

[river oak]

I think they were both joking but

[tender river]

i'm not laughing

and actually i can call mods and they will probably agree

if you want?

sure

@fair cipher or @cobalt vessel can you please tell this confused chatter that they were being rude #programming message

[midnight sigil]

[river oak]

crazy

[amber fractal]

[faint sandal]

developer mode is gone after re-enabling lockdown mode

not sure if this is an intended change in ios 26

[midnight sigil]

algorithms are classified under Artificial Intelligence, so pathfinding itself is AI, but not the AI(Machine Learning) that most people think of

it's not a black box

[amber fractal]

Honestly couldn't say considering apple

[midnight sigil]

it's predictable

[faint sandal]

ok now it's back

apparently i need to reinstall the sideloaded apps for the option to come back on

[dry charm]

https://developer.android.com/developer-verification
This is fun.

[amber fractal]

This joke still works

But rip to your private infomation staying private

[dry charm]

it's semi-private information now

[bitter violet]

me not knowing the c word

a?

lol

that actually made me laugh for some reason

let me see this conversation context

It's nothing serious, it's just that it was a bit off-key and not everyone took it as a joke(it wasn't so clear),it was a misunderstanding (I think).

[amber fractal]

If being gaslit is not agreeing then I need a new valve because the stove just went up in flames

[bitter violet]

Damn, he found out that we're conspiring.

[bitter coral]

You went to far (I have no idea what this bit is )

[amber fractal]

Non biased commentary (at least I'm trying to)

Wish it wasn't deadge hours so this conversation can move on

If I continued I couldn't stay unbiased

As much as I try to

[bitter violet]

Hello, I'm Gemini. Based on the conversation, here's an explanation of the situation:

Cozend made a comment that he considered a joke ("you're a fucking compiler... go play with other compilers"), but to the other participants in the chat, the comment, especially the aggressive language, sounded genuinely rude and not like a clear joke.

Cozend's confusion came from a mismatch: he was using aggression as a form of humor, but the others were interpreting his words literally. He thought people were conspiring to make him feel guilty for no reason, when in reality, they were simply expressing that his joke was not funny and was, in fact, offensive.

In short, it wasn't a case of "gaslighting." It was a misunderstanding where Cozend's joke was perceived as a personal attack, and the others' refusal to laugh or ignore the offense made him believe he was being manipulated.

[amber fractal]

That I can agree on

None of us have the authority to judge you anyways. Let's just drop this

This is more off topic than I'll personally allow in #programming

[cobalt vessel]

yea it was pretty hostile

[true hemlock]

calling someone a compiler is crazy

[bitter coral]

Considering that this chat is a bit dead, I take it the triangle saga ended?

[true hemlock]

its not because of calling someone a compiler tbf, its the tone

[ruby timber]

Not funny

[true hemlock]

your tone is still kind of hostile, is what i meant

i'd say drop it and we move on, though

[amber fractal]

Yeah, Sam dropped support due to wanting to work on the actual engine. ran out of new testers and optimastions because of it.

[true hemlock]

🔺

[amber fractal]

It may blip in as a cameo, but the arc has ended pretty much

[true hemlock]

was fun while it lasted

[amber fractal]

[bitter violet]

Bro it was not the compiler the problem

[dry charm]

🔺

[ruby timber]

🔺

[bitter violet]

Yes, but not everyone is in on your joke. If I went up to my girlfriend and said, "Hey, you're a goddamn fucked-up Japanese rice," even though I called her "Japanese rice," she'd still be like, "Wtf?"

[bitter coral]

Now would be a good time to say what I’ve done with my art program but I haven’t done anything to it since last time, I was sleeping and watching vods.

[wide flicker]

Good evening Programming i just wasted 6 hours deep-cleaning instead of quick-partitioning my 5TB from NFTS to ExFAT and in the end I still have to re-download my steam games :')

[amber fractal]

Relatable

[wide flicker]

I hope everyone is having a better night than I

[amber fractal]

I wish you the best in the effort

[wide flicker]

Thank you, I will need it. MS Flightsim alone will take ages......

[bitter violet]

bro it's not that hard

[cobalt vessel]

[bitter violet]

Honestly, now I don't know if he's the one gaslighting, but I'm laughing at the situation

[wide flicker]

Ngl I thought he'd already gone otherwise ida waited to dump my issues lmao

I do hope everyone's having a good timezone tho!

[bitter coral]

I’m also just not to sure what to work on next besides adding palettes properly. I feel like I’m getting to the point where me not being a very good artist is becoming the bigger issue.

[bitter violet]

can i see your art?

[bitter coral]

I don’t have many actual things drawn but here’s a Neuro I made in procreate when her new model debuted. It’s just that I don’t draw often enough to know what I should add next.

Also I need to actually practice environments

[bitter coral]

What I mean by this is that any features I can think of to help drawing outside of basic things are really weird and I don’t even know if they’d be useful.

[faint sandal]

bro forgot its task

[amber fractal]

@prime ridge While I see you online, I'm making progress on the NN again

[prime ridge]

How did you spot me 😂

Who uses perplexity for coding wtfff

[amber fractal]

An active project thread

[prime ridge]

😁 What thread??? I can't imagine which one... 😁

[prime ridge]

Despite the fact that it is past 4am in my time zone... I am still a bit curious

[amber fractal]

There isn't much at the moment

I still need to actually work on something to showcase

[prime ridge]

Are you any good at multivariable calculus?

and/or PDEs?

[bitter coral]

Would it be silly of me to say the main reason I am making an art program is because I hate this bottom slider in procreate. Also so I can import sprites into other projects easily.

[prime ridge]

a project is a project. Go for it

[faint sandal]

I'm specifically using claude via perplexity i don't see how that's relevant

[prime ridge]

I'm not even going to ask...

[faint sandal]

me neither

[stark needle]

i got rejection on one job but the other one seems like it's still not rejected???

pogs

for now

[tender river]

70 applications and counting

0 interviews

[uneven pulsar]

chat

how reliable are external hard drives in your experience

i've been using an old laptop from 2013 as one basically, but i figured a pocket sized thingy would be better

[wide flicker]

i have had more issues with usb ports than i have with the actual drives

[uneven pulsar]

but from the comments i see, they like to randomly die in 1-3 years making them utterly useless

[tender river]

many are regular hard drives in a sata enclosure

i recommend just buying a usb sata adapter and a regular hard drive unless you want portability

[faint sandal]

mine last around 7+ years in my experience

[trim valve]

I can't speak for actual HDDs but external SSDs have worked fine for me

[faint sandal]

but there are so many factors that could be at play here

[wide flicker]

It depends on the size and type of drive you get, I think. I have a couple 250GB thumb drives I've had since 2020 that haven't failed yet, but I only recently (earlier this year) got a proper external drive (which is an HDD) and since it hasnt been a year yet I cant really speak on it but! it hasnt failed yet!

[uneven pulsar]

my main use case is basically writable backup that i touch twice a year

and i've seen lots of comments about some onboard chip dying, making the drive inaccessible

[uneven pulsar]

this might be the way actually

[stark needle]

that's actually insane

i hate the ghosting companies do

[uneven pulsar]

a friend of mine knew the startup he's at will go RIP by december 31 so he started applying to places in early november

he got a job by may

another dude went september to april passively looking and applying

the benchmark seems to be 5 months

which is reassuring as i have 3 weeks left at this place and i haven't started applying to new ones

[stark needle]

this is so dumb also

they didnt bother sending a rejection

[uneven pulsar]

well it's a good for nothing HR person

of course they'll prefer doing nothing over working

[stark needle]

i just got this single thing

on the website

[ruby timber]

Welp

[bitter coral]

I have a 1tb passport/drive that's been working fine for at least 7 years.

[stark needle]

like come on

how am i not qualified

[uneven pulsar]

honestly i might just buy one + sub to google one
if both fail at the same time, i don't need my data anymore, life has spoken

[stark needle]

i worked there for 4 years

i also applied for this i hope this one at least gets accepted ._.

[bitter coral]

okay I just saw my external drive was first accessed in 2016.

[uneven pulsar]

you're too young to have a job,

[stark needle]

??????

[uneven pulsar]

they regret their mistake

they put you back on the "10 years of experience pls" intern list now

[stark needle]

say that to google when they hired me at fucking 15 and paid less than minimum wage

[uneven pulsar]

let me guess

they never bothered to correct those wages

[stark needle]

no thats the normal wage

for child labor

[uneven pulsar]

ok but when you un-childed

[stark needle]

oh yea no the unchild wage was still child wage cause i started as a minor

and i wasnt a full FTE

so i was contract based

but yeah i had to do the work of a fucking ML engineer at 18-19 while earning like 1100 bucks per month before taxes

[uneven pulsar]

i'm also leaving for similar bullshit tbh, without the contract/minor stuff

i look at random job postings for my stack and my experience and it's like 40% more to 90% more than what i'm earning

[stark needle]

i have work qualification to do software dev but no one wants my work qualification

[uneven pulsar]

manager did a small and a big grade bump on me, in both cases saying "budget tight rn, we'll sort it out in may"

[stark needle]

._.

also the second job i applied to

is for YouTube Trust and Safety

[tender river]

i'll accept anything as long as it's not war related

ok also as long as it's not a prompt engineer job

[stark needle]

dish washing

[uneven pulsar]

then in may he pulled some random 360 days old log from IT about me trying to run some stuff i needed for a task, call it an IT safety policy violation, call it a "gross abuse of my freshly gained admin rights" (i always had admin rights i just re-requested it for docker when they reinstalled my lappy), and said that in light of this loss of trust by the company towards me, i shouldn't expect any pay raise talks this year

like bro, just say you're trying to soft-fire me cause we're moving to india and i'll go willingly

[tender river]

saying that would probably be illegal

they have to find an excuse

[uneven pulsar]

but yeah a this point i'm like
i can just go anywhere for whatever they offer and it's a 30%-40% raise

don't even need to bargain or aim high

(not saying i won't try tho )

but it's funny because i'm on a project that requires the living memory of elves who were there when the first snows fell

and 4 out of 6 backend people left the project

and the worst two devs remain

it's gonna be a bonfire

[stark needle]

also what is this scam... in zurich there's 100000 senior roles

but like 2 junior roles

[tender river]

🏛️

[uneven pulsar]

nobody really wants junior anymore

[stark needle]

how do you get senior without junior

[uneven pulsar]

from eggs

[stark needle]

chatagi effect

[uneven pulsar]

from that other company who still hired a junior

just call yourself pre-senior

[tender river]

in russia everyone just tells juniors to make up experience

[stark needle]

LMAO

[uneven pulsar]

in soviet russia, experience gets you

4 more weeks and i'm gonna move into this channel

[tender river]

i hope for your quick graduation

[stark needle]

also i hate the 3 years of experienc scam

jobs for new graduates with 3 years of experience expectation

and then in some language that is DEFINITELY not covered in uni

who tf knows Swift right after uni

[true hemlock]

i can't find 2x32gb ddr5 for cheap

[woven temple]

Corporate management and HR decide the work experience you need. Unfortunately both of these have barely worked a single day in their life and are very shit at judging reasonable expectations

[dapper kernel]

Well time to wait for 10 years for ddr6 to drop and maybe finally ddr5 becoming $10 cheaper

[stark needle]

i cant wait to start my own company and expect candidates to have 15 years of machine learning experience for junior prompt engineer

[nocturne olive]

Cloud storage is a scam, you quickly end up spending more on cloud storage than you would if you just bougt the same amount in actual drives

[dapper kernel]

I have 0 experience can you hire me for $3000/month?

[nocturne olive]

DDR5 is inherently expensive I guess

[stark needle]

can YOU hire me for 3000$/month

[dapper kernel]

No

[stark needle]

[dapper kernel]

I don’t even have 3k

[unkempt citrus]

If we're talking jobs I'm abouut tto start FIFO work

14 days straight of 12 hour woork

then 7 days rest

The pay is okay, but the hourly rate is pretty low for the hours I'll be doing

[dapper kernel]

12 hour work???

[stark needle]

12 hours work

[uneven pulsar]

mooom they don't want me heeereeee

[stark needle]

2025 slavery

[unkempt citrus]

This is standard at mines here

[tender river]

you can stay for as long as you want

[bitter coral]

Sorry t interrupt but I've had this question for a while. Do any godot users know if/how this can be resized, or do I have to make my own version if I want to fix this.

[fierce nova]

wtf, I don't like my 8-5mm bro is doing 12 hours

[unkempt citrus]

The only real issues are the hourly is kinda bad, and its going to murder my social life

Also its like 200km from home and they'll fly me out at start of each roster

[stark needle]

what programmer needs a social life

[uneven pulsar]

what's funny is that they eventually -do- find someone

[dapper kernel]

Not worth it tbh

[uneven pulsar]

like surely if nobody is found they give up eventually?

maybe they just expect people who don't have the experience to apply anyway

[unkempt citrus]

I have some other potential jobs lined up

but I do want to give this one a go

[dapper kernel]

I’ve seen some people get their apps rejected by ai

[unkempt citrus]

The salary for a fresh grad is prettyt solid, its just the hourly thats the problem

[unkempt citrus]

You mean some people aren't getting rejected?

most job appliications have AI involved at some point tthese daays

they ahve to

[nocturne olive]

True, rather spend that money on more computers

[unkempt citrus]

because when you're getting 1k+ applicants for a single posiiton

[trim valve]

today on great windows questions, why does moving a window in a circle with my mouse drive up cpu useage for all of these tasks

[tender river]

then you get ceos complaining about how nobody wants to work

[unkempt citrus]

Windows renders with React now

[uneven pulsar]

i did this when i was on a service desk
but those 12 hours?
1 hour of yummy meal breaks
8 hours of gaming
3 hours of work

[stark needle]

fr

[nocturne olive]

DWM is obvious, System probably syscalls from stuff, Application Frame Host I have no idea, Denfender ???????

[dapper kernel]

Where???

[stark needle]

in Switzerland theres a friggin software devs SHORTAGE yet you cant find a job (?)

[unkempt citrus]

Shortage of experienced devs

not newcomer devs

[dapper kernel]

Where did the experienced devs go?

[unkempt citrus]

not their problem

[stark needle]

https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/home/new/interview/2022/by-2030-there-will-be-a-shortage-of-about-40000-it-specialists-in-switzerland.html

[unkempt citrus]

also ignore their completely absent training processes

[nocturne olive]

Probably to the big companies

[uneven pulsar]

it's like an artificial gatekeep inflation
they raise expectations too high, so everyone is looking for jobs and nobody gets jobs -> there's always a shortage in people and they're always hiring

[dapper kernel]

The ones that lay of 10k?

[stark needle]

40000 missing it specialists

[true hemlock]

there's 2x32gb 5200mt/s for $165

wonder if i can just overclock it myself fine

ddr5 is hell to work with.

[dapper kernel]

Get 1 now and then buy 2nd later

[nocturne olive]

I doubt it'll overclock very well compared to DDR4 unless you get lucky

[true hemlock]

?

[true hemlock]

wdym

[dapper kernel]

Get 1 32gb and then a second one later

[nocturne olive]

-> Your RAM runs at 3000 MT/s

[true hemlock]

terrible idea

[uneven pulsar]

i'm gonna start a company that only hires junior devs
i'm gonna hire all the junior devs
they have to sign a contract that they'll give me 10% of their salary for life for getting them out of "being a junior" status
i'll rotate these payments into paying my new juniors

[true hemlock]

ddr5 aren't really friendly with mixing kits

[stark needle]

this is so smart

[nocturne olive]

What happens when you run out of junior devs?

[unkempt citrus]

Who trains the junior devs though?

[amber fractal]

Impossible

[uneven pulsar]

i retire enjoying my 10% payments from all those medior and senior devs

[stark needle]

make pair programming aka teach each other

[uneven pulsar]

nobody, they just get paid to do whatever 8 hours a day

[stark needle]

offer them coursera course

[unkempt citrus]

Also this is a reverse ponzi scheme

[uneven pulsar]

they will love it

they will sign

and then they will easily afford that 10% shaving from their cozy medior jobs in 3 years

[dapper kernel]

Will never happen

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile there's me doing like 20 things at once and getting nothing in return for any of it

[amber fractal]

Resume building for 8 hours a day (no one will actually be on topic)

[stark needle]

pair programming imo is so dumb

[fierce nova]

+++

[stark needle]

i only understand when someone is lost that u ask someone else but

[uneven pulsar]

pair programming is about someone observing me thus i cannot talk on discord like rn, therefore i'm productive

[amber fractal]

I can not imagine pair programming as a forced activity

[stark needle]

full pair programming is dumb

[dapper kernel]

Forcing a programmer to socialize

[amber fractal]

Two idiots banging at the wall flavor is accepted

[uneven pulsar]

pair programming with a cybergoth girl tho...

[tender river]

i've done pair programming and it can work well when the project involves lots of thinking and not as much typing

[nocturne olive]

I would suck at it, I work best alone and completely become incapable of doing anything while in a group

[stark needle]

pair programming with a 0.1x engineer

[dapper kernel]

Sign me up

[stark needle]

i'd rather pair program in a discord vc

[fierce nova]

Thanks god pair programming seems like some hype stuff in startups or google-like companies. In my boring corpo field no one ever think about doing it

[faint sandal]

pair deez nuts

[amber fractal]

I mostly roadmap alone but on some projects I do pair

[uneven pulsar]

honestly to me 90% of the benefit is the work ethic that arises from someone else being there actively + the occasional push or idea when i'm stuck

[tender river]

pair programming with girls works exactly the same as pair programming with guys actually

[stark needle]

i dont think pair programming is a thing at google

[uneven pulsar]

ok ok "cybergoth cuties"

[rare bramble]

never had the displeasure of pair programming

[amber fractal]

I've had somewhat over discord VC with not the same skillset

Man I wished I had access to a computer

[tender river]

pair programming (you stream programming on a discord vc while your friends backseat you)

[amber fractal]

Yep

[stark needle]

backseat programming on Twitch

double income

[amber fractal]

[uneven pulsar]

vibe coding with twitch chat voting on whether you accept this generated result or not

[tender river]

2x worse code quality

[fierce nova]

I prefer to feel like I'm stupid not when I'm actually coding, but later on my code review. It's easier to live this way

[uneven pulsar]

dynamically scaling code quality (the board loves to see the graph go brrr)

[amber fractal]

I'm pretty sure twitch streaming is a 50% debuff in general

[stark needle]

i love when i first started

there was this one guy

that left like 30 comments on my PR

i was once stuck on a single PR for like 2 weeks

[tender river]

i've done pair programming many times for programming olympiads

[uneven pulsar]

please remove this extra newline

[trim valve]

chat messages get randomly selected to add to the next prompt

[tender river]

lol i have experience being on the side that requests a billion changes

[amber fractal]

hblang mhm

[tender river]

nope im not involved in hblang development

i just report bugs

[uneven pulsar]

our PR ethic is "try to ✅ it, and if there's something so grossly wrong that you don't have the heart to ✅ talk about it with the guy"

[tender river]

hblang is a one man project

[amber fractal]

Honestly respect to that indvidual

[stark needle]

what i hated most i think

there was this one manager

[nocturne olive]

I just thought of something kinda funny, what if when NeuroSynth releases someone makes a song specifically for #programming with it for whatever reason

[tender river]

its incredible commitment considering the language is barely being used at the moment

[stark needle]

that for any discussion that couldve been solved via DMs they wanted a whole voice call

[amber fractal]

I vote for a cover of I don't want to be an engineer

[stark needle]

i DO want to be an engineer

[nocturne olive]

I technically already have one cooked up for the most part, just the tuning on it is semi-outdated

[amber fractal]

Is it #programming related tho

[nocturne olive]

And by semi-outdated I mean it's literally last-gen tuning

[nocturne olive]

I was referring to cover of I don't want to be an engineer

[stark needle]

i did a numbers iii cover once

[nocturne olive]

I have one waiting an instrumental

Numbers III was fun to work on

[amber fractal]

I would offer to do writing if people have a song suggestion to cover, but I have things I'm supposed to be working on creativly

Like a second original with NeuroSynth

[nocturne olive]

Tru

Well, the first original was Neuro RVC, so it would be first NeuroSynth original

[amber fractal]

True

[stark needle]

only true legends remember my singing of numbers iii

[amber fractal]

Technically I have two songs in the oven, but I'm stalling one of them for EvilSynth

[nocturne olive]

EvliSynth currently exists in a BETA state

Just there's literally nothing made with it so nobody remembers it

Overall EvilSynth's limitations are virtually identical to those of NeuroSynth

Though NeuroSynth is soon gonna be getting some upgrades

Current goal for NeuroSynth is range extensions, to get up to the singular note in question (pitch A#5)

[stark needle]

damn i care so much

what version am i even running

[nocturne olive]

Try winver

[tender river]

end of service is bad so you should care

[jagged turtle]

i DO what i WANT, to be an ENGINEER

[nocturne olive]

Upgrade to 23H2, avoid 24H2

24H2 is where everything breaks

[stark needle]

need to config it so it only does security patches

[trim valve]

windows users when they have to update their computer

[dapper kernel]

That’s what happens when you replace devs with ai

[dapper kernel]

That’s why I don’t update my windows 10

[trim valve]

do you think you're not exactly the person I'm having a jab at here

[dapper kernel]

I’m built differently

[stark needle]

am i cooked

[trim valve]

24h2 is probably fine superbox just hates it for some reason

[stark needle]

are there worse

[nocturne olive]

Potentially
24H2 has stuff like the SSD wipe bug, I've heard of stuff as bad as BIOS corruption

Not everyone will get it, but 24H2 is usually considered a downgrade overall

[stark needle]

where are the shitty ai features no one needs added

[trim valve]

that's just like every update

microsoft my beloved

[tender river]

[trim valve]

but I haven't had like anything shoved in my face so I don't really care too much

I think I had to disable copilot in notepad once but that wasn't hard

[stark needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/github/comments/1at9br4/i_am_new_to_github_and_i_have_lots_to_say

GitHub

[uneven pulsar]

unironically based

like a lot of projects exclusively release there and point you there

[nocturne olive]

Average person when GitHub, just doesn't get the point

[uneven pulsar]

a "here average user average user" interface would go miles

[amber fractal]

I'd say move releases to somewhere more obvious imo. That'd solve 90% of the issues

[uneven pulsar]

yeah like

have an optional Releases tab right before the code tab

that can be made default

also even the name "releases" is kinda non-descriptive to a non-dev esl user

[trim valve]

alternatively the repo owner could just stick a link to the releases in their readme

[uneven pulsar]

like you usually seek download or install or such as an esl

they could, but since it's such a common thing, i think it would merit a feature

especially since readmes already scare some people away unless you stick it in the very top

[trim valve]

I guess? but if you're worried about scaring people away do you really want to be hosting your main page on a github repo anyways

[amber fractal]

I'd at least do github pages if I were to do something like that. Maybe embed the latest release tab and a link otherwise.

[uneven pulsar]

like i'll be honest, i remember when i myself spent 10 minutes finding "the download" before i've known github at all

it's just a design question really

[tender river]

i'm just glad sourceforge is dying

[true hemlock]

[jagged turtle]

ig the thing is github, gitlab, etc... are designed for people who know their way around first and foremost

mostly developers

and also because the intended reason to go to github is to read source code

not usually to get binary

[uneven pulsar]

it's just that it's de facto used as a release platform by small projects

[jagged turtle]

like, I normally defend GitHub here, but even I know that pointing to the repo homepage and telling outsiders "hey here's the repo good luck finding it!" is not the way

[uneven pulsar]

i don't think there's much to lose with an extra optional feature or layout

[jagged turtle]

if anything else, point to the releases tab

[uneven pulsar]

the player moves literally right when i press W

while RUNNING:
    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            RUNNING=False

    screen.fill("black")

    pygame.draw.circle(screen,"red",shape_pos,40)

   
    keys=pygame.key.get_pressed()

    if keys[pygame.K_w]:
        shape_pos.x -=300 * dt
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
    if keys[pygame.K_a]:
        shape_pos.y +=300 * dt 
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
    if keys[pygame.K_s]:
        shape_pos.y-=300 * dt 
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
    if keys[pygame.K_d]:
        shape_pos.x +=300 * dt 
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100

[jagged turtle]

ehhh layout is debatable
two layouts means more work to test new feature placements on each layout

optional feature might be good tho

[uneven pulsar]

with confidence

i made an inverse wasd

[amber fractal]

Not a red triangle

[uneven pulsar]

i can make it a triangle

[uneven pulsar]

triangle doesn't exist in pygame

[uneven pulsar]

also

the code is all wrong

[amber fractal]

:NOOOO:

[uneven pulsar]

cuz the circle moves up when i press S

inverse wasd

i am pretty much a no brainer coder

no logic

[amber fractal]

The simple solution is to switch all of the += and -=

[uneven pulsar]

oh

[uneven pulsar]

when i press A it moves up

when press W moves left

[tight tinsel]

swap the movement for a with w then

then w with left

[uneven pulsar]

i very much tried to make the same code from pygame documentation

[tight tinsel]

shirmple

[uneven pulsar]

and end up making giberish

[amber fractal]

Just keep swapping around binds until it works 👍

[uneven pulsar]

how do i make it print what button i press

so i can test it

is sam on?

[amber fractal]

Probably in an hour or two if I had to guess

[tight tinsel]

just like

if keys[pygame.K_w]:
print("w pressed")
shape_pos.x -=300 * dt
shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100

holy shit im horrible typing this shit on discord

throw a print somewhere

[amber fractal]

Or he'll come on just to spite me

[uneven pulsar]

i did but it displays a block of false statments

[amber fractal]

if keys[pygame.K_w]:
    print("w pressed")
    shape_pos.x -=300 * dt
    shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100

Discord hates you too

[tight tinsel]

i dont remember the thingy to make the code blocks

[uneven pulsar]

`

[tight tinsel]

ohh you need to put the language

whoops

[uneven pulsar]

like c++

there even one for brainfuck

[tight tinsel]

print("i love discord")

got it

[uneven pulsar]

it should be i hate discord

[amber fractal]

Speaking of that man, did you ever play any of his neuro game jam games?

[spark vortex]

low level audio processing my beloved (i fucking hate it)

[uneven pulsar]

whar never heard of it

whats a game jam

[uneven pulsar]

no one likes low level

[amber fractal]

An event where you get a theme and a time limit and try to make a game in that time.

[spark vortex]

im forced ;-;

[amber fractal]

I actually met him during the first one and was on his team in the second

[uneven pulsar]

oh uh nvm i am just an air head at coding

[tight tinsel]

damn its been 8 months since that?

it was end of last year iirc

[amber fractal]

Yep it has been so long

I've made many more friends

Binary Solace is already 8 months old

It doesn't feel that long ago where I was looping it on new years.

[nocturne olive]

We need a NeuroSynth-based successor

[amber fractal]

Yeah we do and I should be working on it

[nocturne olive]

Tru

[amber fractal]

One day I'll pass the lyrics on to get the rest of it going

[nocturne olive]

In the meantime we'll be improving NeuroSynth

[amber fractal]

Yep, I'm excited for what other covers you make

[nocturne olive]

There's a very particular one I want to really achieve

[amber fractal]

I'm just glad I get to write for these

[nocturne olive]

But I need more range first

[nocturne olive]

I need an extra 2 semitones at minimum

[rigid snow]

how do people even come up with this shit

[junior pendant]

I have no idea, the most I've done programming was creating a script in SQL Server to read market data for the MMO EvE Online put it in a database that then allowed me to see how much the minerals I was mining were worth on the daily

[midnight sigil]

EVE Online mentioned

[midnight sigil]

Linux Subsystem for Windows

[faint sandal]

it is pretty similar yeah

at least the concept of delivering frames and files via RDP

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl they are teasing the new image gen model so badly, better they release it today.. or else

[uneven pulsar]

Dam

[uneven pulsar]

gonna check it out

[olive sable]

Goodmorning

[desert plaza]

hello, now take a look at this

B > C

[olive sable]

Ok i read that, but i didnt understand that

[desert plaza]

no types

[olive sable]

So?

[desert plaza]

you wouldn't understand

[olive sable]

I just really dont care

I like my types

Ill try to add the vertex buffers and stuff today

Cuz im itching for some 3D modeling

[uneven pulsar]

hey sam

[olive sable]

hey

[uneven pulsar]

i just wrote my 30 lines of pygame and the W key bind is moving right

[olive sable]

show me the code

[tender river]

improvements

[uneven pulsar]

import pygame
import random


pygame.init()

screen=pygame.display.set_mode((1000,700))
clock= pygame.time.Clock()
RUNNING=True

shape_pos = pygame.Vector2(screen.get_width() / 2, screen.get_height() / 2)
radius = pygame.Vector2(screen.get_width() / 2, screen.get_height() / 2)



while RUNNING:
    for event in pygame.event.get():
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
            RUNNING=False

    screen.fill("black")

    pygame.draw.circle(screen,"red",shape_pos,40)

   
    keys=pygame.key.get_pressed()

    if keys[pygame.K_w]:
        shape_pos.x +=300 * dt
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
        print(keys)
    if keys[pygame.K_a]:
        shape_pos.y -=300 * dt 
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
        print(keys)
    if keys[pygame.K_s]:
        shape_pos.y +=300 * dt 
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
        print(keys)
    if keys[pygame.K_d]:
        shape_pos.x -=300 * dt 
        shape_pos * (radius * dt) % 100
        print(keys)
                
    pygame.display.flip() 
    dt = clock.tick(60) / 1000
pygame.quit()

[olive sable]

ok gimme a sec

why are you using x for up and y for horizontal?

that doesnt make sense

have you never looked at a graph, or played minecraft?

[uneven pulsar]

i never played minecarft

[olive sable]

also im pretty sure pygame has (0,0) at top left so if you wan to go up you need to do shape_pos.y -=300

that is if i remmeber how pygame works correctly

[uneven pulsar]

never i just discovered what is minecarft this year

[uneven pulsar]

what langauges you use?

[olive sable]

these days c++

[uneven pulsar]

oh

[olive sable]

i used to do python tho, but i never did the rendering and object stuff with pygame, only the window

[uneven pulsar]

well uhm idk what you talking about but i only know mathematical graphs never played that game

[uneven pulsar]

i think i could?

[olive sable]

well so, you know graphs then

pray tell where the x goes

[uneven pulsar]

oh x and y

[olive sable]

i mean sure if you learned opengl

[uneven pulsar]

i dont

i am a stupid ass

[olive sable]

i specifically typed "learned"

[uneven pulsar]

never

[olive sable]

you can learn stuff

thats what is amazing about humans, they dont have to keep being stuipid

[uneven pulsar]

well i wish if i got that notch treatment

played minecraft and learned something like all my friends did💀

[olive sable]

what is the notch treatment?

oh

[uneven pulsar]

well some freinds of mine literally at my age are pro coder since 13

[uneven pulsar]

my friend in class learned open gl since he was 11

cuz of minecraf shi

[olive sable]

well in minecraft you learn some stuff about how graphs work and a bit of trigonometry, so i do think its useful for children to paly it. but on the other hand most of your time is spent doing useless shit

[uneven pulsar]

oh dont under estimated them they liked minecarft so much they learned modding and now there are random people living normal life that can rn do a freaking company😭

or smt like that

unlike me

i am just an idiot

i wish if i knew about coding since i was 11

i would quited games

unlike me who was late for it

[hollow spruce]

Hmmm

[uneven pulsar]

but i cant look to the past

[olive sable]

there's no point in self-pitying for not knowing how to do stuff at 11 that most 11 y/o cant do

[uneven pulsar]

and cant say shit with words

[hollow spruce]

What ure coding experience

[uneven pulsar]

shit

i am right now struggling with python not going to lie

now its not your isssue

mine

[hollow spruce]

Sad

[olive sable]

ye everyone struggles to do stuff when they only just started learning it

thats normal

[hollow spruce]

I have data problem 😭

At my first I was learning coding from phone now pc works me

[olive sable]

ye that makes sense, pc's are better for coding

[uneven pulsar]

well yeah

i am not going to lie

[hollow spruce]

Always pain to setup still in my mind
Pkg upgrade -y

[uneven pulsar]

i am very much lost

[olive sable]

google is your friend

pygame docs are also your friend

youtube tutorial are even more your friend

[uneven pulsar]

on sempteber 15 i have a python passage exam

[uneven pulsar]

i know

i am using them

honestly i feel pity if i say i have coding problems

[nocturne olive]

Except me sometimes I guess
I have an insane advantage with a mind wired for learning really fast though

[uneven pulsar]

the lucky ones in life more like who asked

[true hemlock]

superbox out of nowhere self glazing

[opaque wharf]

What is the project name?

[olive sable]

idk about yall but back in my day, 2 years ago, i just watched a 12 hour youtube video about every single thing in python, and then i was a python pro

[nocturne olive]

Silly

[rigid snow]

it says it in the screenshot, winapps

[uneven pulsar]

i watched 6 hours of python and forgot

[olive sable]

the key part is not forgetting

[uneven pulsar]

like i stand there dont know how to use

like

idk

[olive sable]

ye idk how to help you there, i jsut have a good memory

[nocturne olive]

I just grabbed Kotlin and started messing around, a couple months later and I was writing production-ready apps, now I'm decent enough to write GUI apps that manipulate complex binary data structures

[opaque wharf]

Nice, seems interesting

[olive sable]

i mean if we're gonna start boasting

i learned c++ in 2 weeks

[true hemlock]

if we gonna start boasting

[olive sable]

get on my level

[rigid snow]

idk how practical that is, i'm worried about hardware acceleration

[nocturne olive]

I assume with prior programming experience
Once you know a language you know them all

[olive sable]

jsut python as previous experience

[true hemlock]

i had 28 years of full stack and hardware programming experience as a senior dev, AT THE AGE OF 14
I WORKED in 4 companies AT THE SAME TIME

[nocturne olive]

Whuhhhhhh

I could not even get a job at 14 years old, and still having trouble with it now at 18

[true hemlock]

WHILE MY LEGS STARTS A RESTAURANT BUSINESS TO FEED MY FAMILY
SINCE THE AGE OF 6

[opaque wharf]

I don't need HW acceleration. I just need adobe acrobat for my government taxes

[uneven pulsar]

now idk i acuatly find java better for me and i was able to adapt it

but rn i cant waste my time on learning java

[olive sable]

nah thats child labour

[opaque wharf]

For some unholy reason they are using pdf form that are incompatible with every app I tried on linux

[true hemlock]

[uneven pulsar]

asian family be like

i honestly find java easier and better for me

[olive sable]

wow

[uneven pulsar]

but i am forced to learn python

[nocturne olive]

Simply try more software

[true hemlock]

[uneven pulsar]

i acuatly find java way better

[olive sable]

hmmm

[uneven pulsar]

and way understandable

[true hemlock]

okay umm

ekness, what's your goal

[olive sable]

ok but you're comapring java to python here

[true hemlock]

other than learning any programming languages

[true hemlock]

2 different thing

[rigid snow]

ekness started having good takes

fuck python

java better

[true hemlock]

ew java

C++ better

[rigid snow]

no

[olive sable]

i still hate python, but it is more understandable than python i guess

wait, that sentence doesnt make sense

[uneven pulsar]

i hate python

[nocturne olive]

At least Java has sensible dependency management, unlike C++

[maiden geyser]

why does it say that, is it stupid

[true hemlock]

skill issue

[nocturne olive]

No it's a language issue

[uneven pulsar]

i find java better cuz well when i say python

[nocturne olive]

A language as ancient as C++ just didn't have the tooling needed

[uneven pulsar]

i felt like i dont understand shit and i feel like java better

somehow

[olive sable]

i hate java and python, but when looking at java at a glance you can tell easier what is going on

[true hemlock]

imagine needing bloat to manage libraries

[uneven pulsar]

plus python documentations sucks

[true hemlock]

when you can just package dependencies and compile all at once for c++

[nocturne olive]

Meanwhile ever modern language

[true hemlock]

modern language are hella bloated

not good

[nocturne olive]

Rust has Cargo for example, and it's just as fast as C++

[uneven pulsar]

i didnt need a video to understand whats a list

[true hemlock]

can't argue

rust is nice

[olive sable]

i still prefer c++

[true hemlock]

same

[olive sable]

but rust is nice

[nocturne olive]

Because of your weird brackets?

[true hemlock]

c++ peak high performance compute

java can never

[nocturne olive]

Well, C++ could never be as portable

Every language has their usecase

[olive sable]

thats part of it i guess.
and dont call them weird

[nocturne olive]

And also, making GUIs in Kotlin is trivial now

[true hemlock]

you can always make a prebuilt binary for C++

[nocturne olive]

Like actually so convenient

[somber vine]

help

[nocturne olive]

Only language I've seen outside of the web that does well at GUI

[true hemlock]

OH NO

[somber vine]

HELPP

[true hemlock]

J*B APPLICATION

RUN

[somber vine]

no

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

imagine not using vulkan to make your gui

[somber vine]

plz don't

i can't change it for some reason

[opaque sigil]

[somber vine]

rate limited?

[true hemlock]

imagine having to make GUI

[somber vine]

im not a bot

im a hooman

[nocturne olive]

I don't have the ability to write complex graphics pipelines, I'd rather Compose multiplatform

[olive sable]

i mean i make games here, what do you want from me?

[somber vine]

ok

can someone helppp

plzzz

[olive sable]

dont ask to ask

just ask

[somber vine]

link: https://github.com/ArsanCodifire/PyMedia
plz check

code

[true hemlock]

smh can't even properly write barebones shader in kotlin

[nocturne olive]

At least from what I've seen making a GUI in Kotlin is easier than making a complex TUI

[somber vine]

I tried it and not work

[true hemlock]

bloat

eww

[olive sable]

ok but like, waht do you need help with specifically? what is the error message?

[somber vine]

plz help

[nocturne olive]

Because that's not what Kotlin is for?

[somber vine]

some for some reason it cannot send the message when I use / play

[true hemlock]

exactly, c++ better

[somber vine]

no py

better

[nocturne olive]

But it's also much faster to do that for a quick user friendly application

[somber vine]

ezy and understandable

[nocturne olive]

I have no clue how to write TUI code that makes something cool like those stream TUIs, but now I know how to write quite usable GUIs

[somber vine]

k

?

sssss

[olive sable]

ok but like, i have no clue how your program works

[true hemlock]

don't write TUI its hell

[nocturne olive]

I honestly hate Python for its lack of proper type system
It's annoying to work with

[true hemlock]

i honestly hate python for how slow it is

[nocturne olive]

Expected, and since I now know how to write GUIs I don't need TUIs

[olive sable]

its fine mostly, you just need to use proper names

[somber vine]

ssssssssssss
angry snake

[rigid snow]

write your tui in react

[true hemlock]

can't even do proper computation

[rough bloom]

Mojo will fix it

[rigid snow]

mojo fixing it since 2023

[nocturne olive]

Well, anyway
I'm gonna probably stick with Kotlin as my main, especially now that I know how to do GUI really easily in it, but also likely gonna learn Rust for when I need lower level stuff or really fast stuff

[opaque sigil]

i've been writing my kernels for school in mojo, is nice

[olive sable]

what code is exactly supposed to do the thing that isnt working?
you cant jsut ask for help and then make it so we have to figure it all out

[opaque sigil]

sth sth relationship with cuda is over

[rough bloom]

wtf it exists

a real mojo user in the wild

[true hemlock]

wtf is this supposed to do

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how rare those are compared to Kotlin users

[olive sable]

they arent

[uneven pulsar]

plus for me python sucks being pure English

like it felts like when i learn java i have to open classes vectors think

python just have those ready built in functions

[opaque wharf]

It's on the same level as finding hblang user in the wild

[olive sable]

pure english is normal in the coding world, you'l jsut need to get used to it

im actually taking my game-dev classes in English eventho we speak dutch here

[uneven pulsar]

plus the ones who learnt it are probably front end boomers who got tired of fixing divs

[true hemlock]

python users when they realized that their libraries is written in C

[nocturne olive]

And ML people

ML is still pretty much all Python

[uneven pulsar]

plus blame python for creating brain rot and internet ai slop

[olive sable]

?

[rough bloom]

mixing languages is sadly also common but yeah please just use English

[true hemlock]

ML people when they realize their python libraries are written in C/C++

[uneven pulsar]

Yeah python is shit with out cuda

c/c++ why ai exists

[nocturne olive]

Python is basically just a slow wrapper for fast machine code libraries

[uneven pulsar]

python is just the brain

[true hemlock]

python is interpreted

slow as hell

[opaque wharf]

I will now start mixing 4 language in my programming because why not

[true hemlock]

your machine had to do some bloat before actually doing what you programmed it to

imagine computing with that

hell nawwwww

[hollow spruce]

No python is not brain of all ai
(Instead u can say most preferred is python)

[nocturne olive]

I wonder why Python doesn't have a JIT compiler like many other languages

[opaque sigil]

it does

[opaque wharf]

I have Indonesia, Java, Sunda, and English

[nocturne olive]

How is it so slow then?

[rough bloom]

the pypy in question

[true hemlock]

code in snake and indonesian island

[olive sable]

either use the python built-in debugger, or just put a bunch of prints in there to see the path of the code like a normal person

[uneven pulsar]

plus i find java better cuz it has classes and it just makes me feel like to learn it anf figure it out like you learn python stuff and methods by coincidence

[opaque sigil]

pypy exists yeah

[true hemlock]

now write me the function

[opaque sigil]

though cpython is getting a JIT compiler too

[hollow spruce]

Looks like hint

[true hemlock]

nasi_goreng()

[opaque sigil]

it's just really barebones atm

[uneven pulsar]

python is just C if it had classes and more simplified

[opaque sigil]

[uneven pulsar]

plus most of its libraries running on c and c++

java is way better

[opaque wharf]

LMAO it exists
https://github.com/lantip/sawa

[rough bloom]

what is wrong with the world today
first there's a real Mojo user, now CPython devs care about performance???

[uneven pulsar]

you mean cython right?

[rough bloom]

no

[opaque sigil]

sounds like someone missed the 3.11 release

[uneven pulsar]

plus pythons is hust full of bloat ware functions

[true hemlock]

naw

[hollow spruce]

Mine was 3.12

[true hemlock]

nawwww

[uneven pulsar]

and wtf is the point of a fucking list

[rough bloom]

I do not read Python patch notes

[opaque wharf]

Sunda have it's own language (competitor to Java lol)
https://github.com/andraantariksa/sunda-lang

[opaque sigil]

fair, 3.11 was pretty much all performance improvements

[hollow spruce]

We have bro language

[true hemlock]

me when strings are actually lists of UTF-8 values

[uneven pulsar]

Like python they display you like 10 pointlessly functions methods

[hollow spruce]

Example " bro print("hello")bro"

[uneven pulsar]

dude and tuples only have 2 and the rest are hash methods plus the only py data type i find it useful are sets and dicts

tuples and list are fucking pointless

[true hemlock]

batak when

[opaque sigil]

i don't think you're in the position to call anything pointless

[opaque wharf]

https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3567512.3567531

[nocturne olive]

Well more like arrays, since their size is immutable and changing it means creating a new string object in memory in most languages unless a specific string builder object that doesn't do that is provided

[rough bloom]

so true
all you need is a cons

[opaque wharf]

Go and implment it

[true hemlock]

naw

[uneven pulsar]

why not what are you going to use a list okay rather than puting a list of data classes

[uneven pulsar]

sets and dicts are the only thing i find useful when it comes to data management

[rough bloom]

no, no sets or dicts
only cons

[uneven pulsar]

like tuples are only useful for some uses fot classes

[uneven pulsar]

the cons of a set its its syntax

[opaque sigil]

cons is love cons is life

[uneven pulsar]

dict sucks for numerical values

obly strings

on the other side

you can use nested dicts to add tuples

[opaque sigil]

i hate it here

[rigid snow]

lists are untyped, therefore it's actually a dynamic array

[opaque sigil]

lists are dynamic arrays that contain PyObject*s

[rigid snow]

true,,..

[uneven pulsar]

like tell me what’s the point of learning what is a tuple i only saw it be used in some absurd data classes used for to just make the code read a group of arrays

i hate lists and tuples

[olive sable]

boooo

[opaque sigil]

what do you do if you need a sequence of elements that can have duplicates

[uneven pulsar]

well lists

[opaque sigil]

thank god

[uneven pulsar]

but the point true everything can have a use

but some really don’t

[rigid snow]

a tuple is when you need a set set of values as one value

idk if what i said makes sense

[opaque sigil]

fixed size lists

aka arrays i guess

[uneven pulsar]

lists are just arrays but you can access them and do stupid things

[opaque sigil]

i don't remember how cpython implements tuples actually, i think they're arrays

[rigid snow]

i'm thinking a more abstract interpretation, it doesn't matter what it's under the hood you're not working with that

[uneven pulsar]

I remember once asking chatgpt about the weather and gave me a error displaying a group of lists that have 00000

and looks awfully bad

[rigid snow]

that being said, if you for example have a (str, int) pair and need to pass it as one value is when you'd want a tuple

[uneven pulsar]

Like don’t get me wrong I might just dislike python cuz I don’t know much

[opaque sigil]

typedef struct {
    PyObject_VAR_HEAD
    Py_hash_t ob_hash;
    PyObject *ob_item[1];
} PyTupleObject;

okay nice, so it is an array

[uneven pulsar]

but i see java based and better

[rigid snow]

what else would it be

[opaque sigil]

you never know

could be a linked list for all i know

[rigid snow]

[tender river]

[uneven pulsar]

Plus python have over 1000 stupid functions

[opaque sigil]

that's the point, having most of the things you'll need built-in so you don't have to rely on some third party library

[rough bloom]

actually @uneven pulsar you would love Lua
it doesn't have arrays

or lists

[rigid snow]

i like java but one thing i hate about it is lack of tuples
i implemented a Pair<A, B> class infinite times

[uneven pulsar]

I should learn that instead of python

[rigid snow]

tables

[rough bloom]

I hate that they start indices at one but otherwise their implementation is really clean

[hollow spruce]

I'm using one 🙂

[uneven pulsar]

Most of its programmers are roblox dev who are a group dumbasses don’t know how use it

[rough bloom]

tables are insanely versatile

[rough bloom]

do not insult Roblox programmers

[tender river]

there are literally professional roblox gamedev studios

[rough bloom]

they push that language further than anyone ever has before

[uneven pulsar]

grow a garden rsb blox fruit and adopt me like they are professionals and make this shi

[opaque sigil]

don't they have their own version of lua

[rigid snow]

luau

or

[uneven pulsar]

dude blox fruits devs wasted there potential on micro transactions 😭

[desert plaza]

roblox uses luau though

[rigid snow]

it's basically the same thing

[desert plaza]

i wouldn't know

[uneven pulsar]

most of its devs are stupid like most of its good games are just banned ot never played

[rough bloom]

it's just one extra letter, how different can it possibly be

[desert plaza]

idk luau is apparently derived from lua 5.1

current Lua version is 5.4?

[rough bloom]

sounds quite close to normal Lua then

the last Lua version I interacted with was 4.x something I think

[rigid snow]

Is roblox lua the same as [...] lua?
...But to answer your question, more or less, but that may not always be the case.

There are a few differences in the core language. For example, Luau has type hinting. It also has some other basic features most people expect a language to have like “+=, -=, etc.”.
- random deleted reddit user

[uneven pulsar]

Well lets be real here most of it’s professional devs had potential in there games by they just rather waste it on micro transactions or stupid personal reasons

[rough bloom]

so it's like Lua but TypeScript

[uneven pulsar]

but faster

and simpler

[rough bloom]

I'm not actually sure if faster

V8 is insane

but almost definitely simpler, yeah

[rigid snow]

faster than lua

not than ts

[rough bloom]

oh

mabe

[rigid snow]

for sure

[rough bloom]

do they not just use LuaJIT

[rigid snow]

the main selling point is "performance optimizations"

must be faster

[rough bloom]

Luau interpreter can be competitive with LuaJIT interpreter depending on the program.

[tender river]

microtransactions are why they are professionals

[uneven pulsar]

professional at scamming you

[rough bloom]

from the official Roblox Luau website it seems
so it's slower

[rigid snow]

why does everyone keep saying "performance optimizations" then

[uneven pulsar]

plus roblox engine was unreal engine 5 but optimized

like did you see there someone made a call of duty game

[rigid snow]

i'm getting "blazingly fast" vibes

[uneven pulsar]

thats better than the whole franchise

[hollow spruce]

8.60799804e-316

Hmm

[noble zodiac]

tbf no one ever actually looks up benchmarks for anything claiming its faster than X

[opaque sigil]

faster than normal lua, luaJIT doesn't exist

[true hemlock]

oh hey

[nocturne olive]

You and your benchmarks, I can't even run that one on here

[opaque sigil]

faster than an m1

[olive sable]

at 1.62GHz? nah

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

huh apple m1 chips are fast

[olive sable]

what are yall's opinions on std::optional<uint32_t>?
cuz like its a type, but maybe not

[rigid snow]

they made macbooks good value

[uneven pulsar]

4000$ mac for me

i don’t see value

0

[rigid snow]

4000 usd?

[uneven pulsar]

yup

in my country mac books are around 4000$ to 2000$

[nocturne olive]

I wonder if there will be Cinabench on Linux some day, would be cool

[uneven pulsar]

fucking stupid

[opaque sigil]

can you not run it through proton or sth

[glass flower]

seems like rust with extra steps

[opaque sigil]

surely the perf hit isn't that high

[nocturne olive]

I mean, maybe, but I assume it would degrade performance

[rigid snow]

don't buy them then, but also does ordering from abroad not exist for you or what

[uneven pulsar]

It does but taxes

still the same

[nocturne olive]

And that would defeat the point of comparing to other systems' performance when you have a disadvantage

[rigid snow]

they'd probably need to port cinema4d to linux first, which is a big undertaking to say the least

[opaque sigil]

surely there's a way to do binary translation

though if games can handle the runtime cost just fine it might just simply not be necessary

[uneven pulsar]

unless if the devs are detached of hardware optimization

[opaque sigil]

the other way around, specific hardware optimisations make binary translation harder (not in the case of x86_64 -> x86_64)

[uneven pulsar]

yknow

should i even try game jams

no I don’t think so

[glass flower]

game jams are always fun

[uneven pulsar]

Yeah…if you had time

[midnight sigil]

solo jaming is more fun

[nocturne olive]

Well, I don't know what that is
It's actually surprisingly hard to find benchmarks for Linux that you could use to compare values with people across platforms

[frigid edge]

hello

[uneven pulsar]

well anyways hoping tha i would pass my python exam passage

[glass flower]

the best games came out when i worked with a team. solo i always overscope and then do nothing

[midnight sigil]

real "indie" game dev

[opaque sigil]

cinema4d is the software that cinebench uses

[midnight sigil]

[nocturne olive]

The thing that renders all of the images?

[uneven pulsar]

yknow

i think i should fucking stop learning python for my exam

and fucking study java

[opaque sigil]

yes

[nocturne olive]

Interestingly silly

[opaque sigil]

cinebench is basically a stripped down version of cinema 4d

to benchmark things with its rendering engine

[nocturne olive]

I wonder what benchmarks actually exists for both Windows and Linux and could be used to compare performance between hardware and operating systems

[midnight sigil]

what I'll usually do is make a basic flow graph of the entire game, do a 1st cycle(the first sketch) todo list, a 2nd cycle and a final review

procrastination starts at 2nd cycle

[olive sable]

i mean have you seen my first game jam code? its not pretty

[uneven pulsar]

idk this is my flowchart

For a stupid game concept

[midnight sigil]

but by then you already had a bare bone, even you gave up the jam you can still rework if you thought of it back in the future

[olive sable]

this is some of the most dogshit python code ive written.

[uneven pulsar]

better than mine

[olive sable]

nothing can be worse than this

[uneven pulsar]

just look at mine i wanted to make a fps ultrakill game that has undertale decision route like genocide or whatever

I feel stupid not being able to do they ideas in my head

[nocturne olive]

Whuhhhh
I wonder what kind of model would come out of throwing that at a machine learning algorithm to fit the values in that function but continuously

[uneven pulsar]

i feel hopeless and and a failure

[olive sable]

that might be interesting ye

[nocturne olive]

Assuming there's some consistent or maximum number of values I think it shouldn't be that hard

[olive sable]

this si the thing that made the map

its just a maze

[nocturne olive]

Looking very silly

[olive sable]

i dont remember why i made it that way

even hardcoding it would have been bettrer

[uneven pulsar]

you know you could just made a a variable that holds random fucntions and did 2 lines of if statements

[olive sable]

ye i know that now

[uneven pulsar]

i feel stupid

[cosmic sphinx]

the new 2.5 flash image gen is finally released

prepare yourself for more ai image slop

[jovial remnant]

It is actually really good at editing images