programming

[uneven pulsar]

oh then

[true hemlock]

check 9600x

[uneven pulsar]

ok

[true hemlock]

or alternatively, 7600

[uneven pulsar]

well 32gb sounds enough for me

and 1tb is also enough

[true hemlock]

ehhhh

not really

[warped narwhal]

32gb will run out faster than you'd think

[uneven pulsar]

64gb💀 ???

[true hemlock]

once you have like 3 or 4 of those AAA games, 1tb is nothing

32gb ram is fine

for your build i'd recommend at least 2tb nvme

[uneven pulsar]

3tb?

[true hemlock]

ryzen 5 7600 with 2tb ssd is better than 7800x3d + 1tb ssd ngl especially for AAA titles

hold on lets make a pcpp

[tight tinsel]

for me 16gb ram is the minimum unless your running a old laptop

[uneven pulsar]

why 7600

[true hemlock]

because it makes no difference in most graphically demanding games

[uneven pulsar]

there are r5 9800x for 200$

[true hemlock]

compared to x3d

[true hemlock]

huh

[uneven pulsar]

yea

[true hemlock]

you mean 9600x?

[uneven pulsar]

9800x

[true hemlock]

that doesn't exist...

9800x3d exists, but too expensive for your budget definitely

try to check both 9600x and 7600

[uneven pulsar]

oh wait

sorry 9600x

[true hemlock]

lmao

[true hemlock]

^

[uneven pulsar]

excuse me

[uneven pulsar]

7000 series gpus aren’t available for me

they only ship nvidea

[true hemlock]

uh no, cpus

[uneven pulsar]

cpus yes

gpus no

[true hemlock]

9600x and 7600, both cpus

check both

[uneven pulsar]

both avaible for 200$

now that r9 cost 400$

[true hemlock]

yeah get 9600x

going higher than that won't give you realistic increase of performance on your workloads btw

[uneven pulsar]

98$ 32gb on crosshair ram

[true hemlock]

can you find a B850m motherboard

[uneven pulsar]

ob

[uneven pulsar]

ok

[true hemlock]

can you send the link for this so i can check the specs

[uneven pulsar]

Alr

[uneven pulsar]

cpu:https://www.lebanonstores.com/shop-1/amd-ryzen-5-9600x-processor

https://pcandparts.com/product/asrock-b850-pro-rs-wifi-amd-ryzen-am5-ddr5/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=21475580147&gbraid=0AAAAA9-5MpkS_dyO765dtz2umncOnLVm2&gclid=CjwKCAjwk7DFBhBAEiwAeYbJsbwIBGYVAG2XjPogNVWpzZ1Hb-5kMHsQeg77EQwqOZpUwkpFZpWkfxoCr0sQAvD_BwE

thats the link to the motherboard

[true hemlock]

aight

[uneven pulsar]

https://mojitech.net/shop/pc-parts/memory/kingston-fury-32gb-ddr5-5600/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18468907594&gbraid=0AAAAADoaQZQg4_YDoIgHpfZGt_0ZvX07S&gclid=CjwKCAjwk7DFBhBAEiwAeYbJselP0u7pZ6wg1D1QZl7IOpBzJT727VXz6EaqpBCzSXKb4bSRQxKqIRoCUBUQAvD_BwE

75$

ram

[true hemlock]

isn't this a bit too much for motherboard though

[uneven pulsar]

is the motherboard compatible?

[true hemlock]

there could be cheaper options

yeah its compatible

[uneven pulsar]

its the only one i found

[true hemlock]

huh

[uneven pulsar]

other are old am4 motherboards

[true hemlock]

try finding micro atx boards

they're usually way cheaper

[uneven pulsar]

https://www.lebanonstores.com/shop-1/msi-pro-b650m-p-proseries-matx-motherboard-amd-am5-ddr5-pcie-40-25gb-lan

that one?

[true hemlock]

should work yeah

try finding 850W PSU

2TB gen 4 nvme

[uneven pulsar]

https://ayoubcomputers.com/msi-spatium-m371-2tb-nvme-m-2-m371/

[true hemlock]

anything else?

[uneven pulsar]

https://ayoubcomputers.com/msi-mag-a850gl-pcie5-power-supply-offers-80-plus-gold-850w-306-7zp8a11-ce0/

[uneven pulsar]

no sadly

[true hemlock]

damn

[uneven pulsar]

the ones for 90$ are 1tb heat sink sssds

[true hemlock]

because that's a gen 3 nvme so its gonna be a bit slower

[uneven pulsar]

why the fuck would a ssd have a heat sink

[uneven pulsar]

oh

[true hemlock]

because they make heat

[uneven pulsar]

wait then let me try to chek

[true hemlock]

but the motherboard should come with its own ssd heatsink ig?

[uneven pulsar]

https://ayoubcomputers.com/kingston-fury-renegade-1tb-pcie-gen-4-0-nvme-m-2-internal-gaming-ssd-with-heat-sink-sfyrsk-1000g/

89$

1tb

[true hemlock]

kind of expensive for 1tb ngl

[uneven pulsar]

thats what i could find

[true hemlock]

hm

i think that 2tb should be fine for that price

[uneven pulsar]

but gen 3

yknow

i just remembered a friend of mine sells nvmes he can make a price

[true hemlock]

i've been using a gen 3 drive for long

its fine

its not much different compared to my new gen 4 drive ngl

[uneven pulsar]

alr then cooler?

i know a freind can make me a price for the nvme

[true hemlock]

any tower cooler under $30

or under $40

[uneven pulsar]

https://ayoubcomputers.com/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-cpu-air-cooler/

[true hemlock]

perfect

[uneven pulsar]

case?

wait the motherboard is atx

[true hemlock]

matx

so any matx case would work

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/swrQHW
so far ig

[uneven pulsar]

theres a wattage problem

matx?

[true hemlock]

yeah because i used custom part for the gpu. can you send me the link for the gpu

preferably in dms so people here don't snatch it

[uneven pulsar]

https://ayoubcomputers.com/darkflash-dy470-pc-case-with-4-argb-fans-black-dy470/

[true hemlock]

damn expensive lol

[uneven pulsar]

do i change the case?

[true hemlock]

huh

[true hemlock]

up to you

if you go with that case, you might went over the budget a bit

[uneven pulsar]

what

you think i can find something better?

its sealed tho

[true hemlock]

never heard of that brand before

can you chat the seller?

[uneven pulsar]

https://www.manli.com/en/product-NVIDIA_Graphics_Cards-149.html

[uneven pulsar]

they used to make 20 series card

there back making 50 series card

ill ask the seller

[true hemlock]

oh, this brand is relatively trustworthy

but yeah best to also ask seller

recommended to ask the seller to test the card

[uneven pulsar]

alr

there a 3090 for 530

yea bad price

NO WAY

I FOUND A MSI SUPREME X 3090 420$ AND TI VARIANT

ITS FUCKING SEALED AND BY A RETAILER

[true hemlock]

oh you can try yeah

although might wanna cheap out on something else if you wanna stay on budget limit

[uneven pulsar]

oh

like what

but that’s a supreme x 3090 ti

[true hemlock]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DYcLmC you can modify this list from here

[olive sable]

Spaghetti

Ive been putting this off for more than a month but imma need to connect everything

Except the video outputs cuz those will need to go into the new avr once i get it

If i get it, its bidding

[scarlet arch]

can someone explain to me how my benchmarks become worse when I tell rustc to build with native CPU features?!

literally cargo criterion vs RUSTFLAGS="-C target-cpu=native" cargo criterion. Up to 10% regression. wtf?

[true hemlock]

bro's just like me fr

[olive sable]

This is the reason im poor

[sage crag]

hapy byteday

[olive sable]

Im not poor atm, but thats only cuz im in the procces of buying something

[sage crag]

you should see the performance regression i get when turning on LTO on my vm

57% regression when using gcc

[scarlet arch]

thank you

[scarlet arch]

okay but like.. how

I'd think native cpu features would speed things up no?

[sage crag]

likely some cache pessimisation in a hot path

[sage crag]

well, think of it this way

[scarlet arch]

ah, true, didn't think of that

[sage crag]

without cpu features, a memcpy could be a 10 byte function

with cpu features, it could be a kilobyte function

since they do vectorisation to make copying large things faster

[scarlet arch]

so, PGO plus enabled cpu features should work then

[sage crag]

perhaps? i dont think pgo alters codegen in that way

[scarlet arch]

it would at least help the branch predictor, no?

[sage crag]

dubiously

[raw trout]

Hope you have a good one!

[sage crag]

the compiler would attempt to

[sage crag]

worth trying though

[scarlet arch]

so far it's been work only :P

[sage crag]

maybe BOLT too

[scarlet arch]

right, oh well, was just an experiment

time to chill before stream :D

[sage crag]

try adding

codegen-units = 1
lto = true

to your Cargo.toml

[scarlet arch]

does that even affect benchmarks?

oh I could set it for the bench profile

[sage crag]

probably

[rare bramble]

happy birthday @scarlet arch 🎂

[scarlet arch]

thank youuu

I meant to go off work 12 minutes ago and now I'm sitting here trying to gain some performance with this stupid experiment

[rough bloom]

happy birthday 🎂

[trim valve]

I have also had this before with some very stupid benchmarks

[scarlet arch]

thanks

[sage crag]

my thinking is its because benchmarks start the program from cold each time they run it

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

nah this was also with criterion so it should've been hot

[scarlet arch]

Did this:

[profile.bench]
codegen-units = 1
lto = true

And it improved some benchmarks again, but not above the loss from earlier, and some became even worse

[sage crag]

so if your code is larger, and its harder for the cpu to get caching and branch predicting effectively

[sage crag]

i see

hmm

[sage crag]

yup performance lottery

[scarlet arch]

meh fuck it, its fine

[sage crag]

souds like cache

[trim valve]

random question but how fast is the thing you're benchmarking

[midnight sigil]

rip to Awalang

[trim valve]

because I had this at something that was like 3bn it/s so I kinda get that assembly instruction bingo may have gotten unlucky 😭

[scarlet arch]

several benchmarks, but one iteration for the various things is between 29µs and 60ms. but the timing per benchmark is consistent

[sage crag]

this is something all stack machine s struggle with

[trim valve]

ah fair

[midnight sigil]

my Awalang actually lost its original meaning tbh, it's now more like an intermediate language, as I heavily rely on the use of Awabler(Assembler for Awalang)

[sage crag]

even moreso if the interpreter doesnt use direct threading

you should look into direct threading

i used it in hbvm-c

[midnight sigil]

we should get rid of stack in x86_64

neurch64

[sage crag]

x86 cpu interpreter is not a stack machine

its a register machine with a stack

but also its a hardware cpu

it doesnt have the drawback of being emulated

[rough bloom]

not getting the true AWA5.0 experience by not directly writing awatalk as recommended by the spec
-# I would've probably done the same if I had an assembler

[midnight sigil]

we should write in machine code, as tools may get up-stream infected

hardware mever betrays

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

it's AWA5.0++ now

[trim valve]

every time I lock my pc

please amd leave me alone

[desert plaza]

good idea

[true hemlock]

god damn it

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/schizo-cat-the-voices-gif-25415230

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

EVIL CODING!

[fast pagoda]

happy birthday @scarlet arch

[uneven pulsar]

HAPPY BITHDAY BYTER @scarlet arch

[fast pagoda]

https://x.com/GamersNexus/status/1959751632113299534 average b2b communication 2025

GamersNexus (@GamersNexus)

Dear Bloomberg @business, please find enclosed our formal response to your illegitimate copyright strike. Thank you.
https://t.co/zXisNkhDNF

X · Aug 24, 2025, 10:56 PM

[magic hornet]

I wonder; would Vedal or any of you try to hack google in order to get a job at google? For context they do or did (Idk if they still do) a "hey hack us and you get a job and some money"

Also
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9lFEzglYn2k
This is why we don't f around with client side for important stuff

[fast pagoda]

that's how vedal got his position at mi5 and how he continues to secretly reside in buckinham palace

[sage crag]

@nocturne olive kotlin mentioned in devstream

[nocturne olive]

Oh great

[sage crag]

everyone in chat hates kotlin

[nocturne olive]

Windows delayed the next original, EVERYONE LINUX NOW, let's KILL WINDOWS

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[wide flicker]

THis is exactly why I switched to Bazzite yesterday

[glass flower]

too much effort for me to switch

[sage crag]

no its not just nuke your drive and forget about it

[glass flower]

im not nuking 11tb of data

[sage crag]

buy a new drive and install linux on that

[worldly plank]

Is there a program for installing Linux on windows machines without destroying user data?

[wide flicker]

Just do what I did and spend 2 days backing up data to an external drive first

[glass flower]

there are too many programs i use that im not sure have a linux equivalent or work on linux

[sage crag]

wine

proton

cinema

[glass flower]

well. installing linux doesn't nuke user data. linux can just access windows files

i had dual boot a few times..

[worldly plank]

I know, but I was thinking about the people that hardly knows what an OS is.

[glass flower]

but always just booted into windows so i just uninstalled linux after some time

[scarlet arch]

[scarlet arch]

Couldn't respond fast, shower haha

[sage crag]

uh oh he said twitch

uh oh he's gonna display b2 messages on twitch stream

TOS on both sides

its over for vedal987 channel

[fierce nova]

Coding with chatGPT live on the stream

[dry charm]

I love how close this is to helping out a junior / intern

[warped narwhal]

doesn't the defer attribute do the same thing as moving the script after the body?

[dry charm]

not sure if it happens to end of body scripts

but defer downloads the script and then executes them when the page is parsed

https://www.growingwiththeweb.com/2014/02/async-vs-defer-attributes.html
ooh nice visuals

[opaque sigil]

https://ziglang.org/download/0.15.1/release-notes.html @sage crag

[jagged turtle]

[dry charm]

@sudden belfry one of #programming

[lapis wraith]

Welcome to the club

[dry charm]

Technically she could also run the 🔺

[glass flower]

now she needs to play screeps to be fully part of here

[sage crag]

hblang updated to 0.15.1 like 4 days ago

om

[glass flower]

honestly looking at her code. she might be better than us at screeps at this point

[sage crag]

evil should write an impl of hbvm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[opaque sigil]

oh so they just silently pushed the update without creating a github release huh

[sage crag]

perhaos

perhaps

[sage crag]

did you know hbc will be a c compiler soon

[crystal sleet]

Let her make her usb killer in peace guys

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

what

[trim valve]

today on bred shenanigans

[sage crag]

it will be able to compile c and hblang

because its using zig it can make use of aro cc

the same backend that the c to zig transpiler uses

[opaque sigil]

oh

makes sense then

right

[sage crag]

its being done because there isnt enough written hblang code to test everything

but also it may let use import c files natively, i hope

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

compile c to hbvm

noway

[rigid snow]

the extension allows for terminal access

so technically yes

[olive sable]

After mike 7 hours im done with cable managment

Or well, its mostly managed

I dont have enough inputs on this tv so thats why there are cables on the floor left

[cosmic sphinx]

@sudden belfry is a real programmer now, welcome

(shes better than 90% of this chat)

[olive sable]

As CEO of the triangle:

[nocturne olive]

Have some funny logs from the webserver accesses

[serene raft]

she would be better then 99% of the chat if instead of regex she could write patch files and have those automatically applied

moving the cursor and editing the line is just a bad way of doing it

i understand why its done like that

[cosmic sphinx]

she should rewrite the code for her own vscode integration

fr

[serene raft]

also vedal should of setup eliv's page to /dogs instead of /dogs.html

literally needed to make a folder called dogs and move dogs.html into it and rename it to index.html

[tender river]

birthday

[scarlet arch]

Is nearly over

[olive sable]

you have 22 min left

[scarlet arch]

Yeah, but then it's not made by Evil

She's old school like that

[serene raft]

literally renaming a file and putting it into folder still very much made by evil

[amber fractal]

Happy Birthday @scarlet arch!

[scarlet arch]

[serene raft]

and vedal could of just made evil do it

if you wanted to say that

[scarlet arch]

You just don't get what I mean I think

[gray basalt]

Wow, open F12 and peek at the spinning Samoyed’s CSS—it’s a mess. The rotation’s calculated pixel by pixel in real time. No wonder the page hogs 62 % CPU in the browser task manager.

[serene raft]

also vedal setup /dogs lol

it doesnt even redirect it just serves the page

[scarlet arch]

It doesn't need to be perfect. Evil's site is good the way it is.

[rigid snow]

1. diffs are not 100%, models no matter the size still mess them up - tools like cline use fuzzy diff matching, and tools like cursor(tm) and copilot do something different with json full of lines as input and them writing edits for each line in order or something?? i'm talking about the thing where the line that goes down gradually as it's editing
2. from my limited involvement with the project: it was initially just neuro api bindings to basic vscode actions, like moving the cursor, typing, etc. but there was the issue that you could move the cursor in between neuro actions and it would mess up the position neuro intended to insert text at, so it was decided to give her "her own cursor" as a bandaid - so that's why it's like that
3. it's cuter this way

[serene raft]

yes they do sometimes mess up diffs it happens alot 2. i pretty much just guessed that and 3. its great ragebait aswell

perhaps instead of going to diffs neuro/evil could be given better context for where they are

[rigid snow]

i haven't looked much into the context stuff at neuropilot because it's kind of a mess but i think it already should force push the code surrounding the cursor to ctx

[serene raft]

yeah i also don't think its entirely neuropilot fault the twins do need to also learn how to use the cursor better

[rigid snow]

they can't

not how llms work unfortunately

unless vedal specifically trains them to which i doubt is happening

[serene raft]

im talking of having more context of moving the cursor first in they're memory

[rigid snow]

well for that they would have to do it perfectly in the first place

maybe they can slowly figure it out but i dont know about that...

[crystal sleet]

No, if you give a person a few examples of how something failed and how another thing didn't, then they'll be able to derive a better course of action
But it won't be that big of an improvement for an AI

[serene raft]

ultimately theres no perfect solution diffs could potentially work better but they could also not as with everything it really just depends

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[lapis wraith]

You're right. the CSS style for it just keeps getting larger every frame

[rigid snow]

why are you surprised

[lapis wraith]

Because i've never seen this type of code in my life

[rigid snow]

the line literally was ```js
sammy.style.transform += rotate(1deg) ;

[lapis wraith]

I didn't know you could do that in the first place. That's messed up

[rigid snow]

well, it's a string

why wouldn't you be able to

[lapis wraith]

Sure, there's probably good reasons to use it. I'm just surprised you can do that

[rigid snow]

i don't think there is ever a good reason to do el.style.<any> += , but since it's a string you can

[lapis wraith]

I'm amazed. Now the dog just keeps increasing my RAM usage by the minute

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[rigid snow]

yeah as soon as this came up i was like "this is a memory leak machine"

[sage crag]

sam change your benchmark to render spinning neurorbPogHD

[olive sable]

i can

but

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1406727268285284442/konorb.gif

spinning konorb

[olive sable]

gimme some time cuz i need to add a vertex buffer and uniform buffers for that

and a texture buffer

uv's too

uhh

also gltf loading

[amber fractal]

Orb

[rigid snow]

sam make the orb texture 64k x 64k for proper fidelity

[olive sable]

physically imposible

the max is 32K x 32K

[amber fractal]

4 textures

[rigid snow]

it's not impossible i'll tell you that

[olive sable]

well yes, but actually no

[rigid snow]

also that should be x65k but whatever

[olive sable]

unless i add a 2nd uv buffer purely for texturebufferarrayindex

that way we get kinda limitless resolution till vram is up

huh, my brain shortcircuited there

dutch word for "ran out of" is "op" but i tranlated it to up

idk why

[rigid snow]

that still makes sense

when running out of time you'd say "time is up"

for example

[olive sable]

huh

english is weird

[rigid snow]

always a fun one

i just got a notification for an email i received >2 years ago wtf

[olive sable]

apparently yall use "is up" for only very specific circumstances

[rigid snow]

"food is up" sounds stupid and clunky but "vram is up" sounds fine, to me at least

probably because of that exact metaphor, you're full, not out of

idk english really is weird

[olive sable]

The whole thing with "old english" too. They keep stealing things from other languages but bever commit to it

[tender river]

OM

https://developer.android.com/developer-verification

Starting in September 2026, Android will require all apps to be registered by verified developers in order to be installed on certified Android devices.

apple stay winning^Wnot losing

so glad i use mobile linux and this doesnt affect me

[warped narwhal]

So I decided to bite the bullet and reinstall. Wish me luck

[amber fractal]

I should really deal with my older devices, no reason for them to be on android.
-# Still need more knowledge for that tho.

[lapis wraith]

DON'T DO THIS TO ME GOOGLE! PLEASE MY WORK IS DOOMED NEXT YEAR

[tender river]

youtube redesign

[cosmic sphinx]

What the fuck.

[amber fractal]

Perish fool

[lapis wraith]

They cannot stop making their UI uglier by the day

[cosmic sphinx]

https://tenor.com/yhie.gif

[lapis wraith]

ARE YOU filtered ME?????

[olive sable]

What if i just dont update my phone? I dont want to register shit.
Can i turn it off in dev meny maybe?

[lapis wraith]

I'm NOT giving my ID to google. NEVER! frick google dude

[amber fractal]

Remove google play protect 👍

[tender river]

i'm sure there will be some workarounds, but its a good time to switch to mobile linux or at least learn custom rom flashing

[olive sable]

okay

[amber fractal]

Honestly, I'm considering following your apporach. I'll have to give that blog a reread

I'll just be doing it on my older stuff first

[crystal sleet]

I give my id to anyone who asks for it

[olive sable]

I need android apps still for school, but maybe i could dualboot or something

[amber fractal]

waydroid (we hope)

[tender river]

whether a device supports mobile linux is a question the answer to which is generally "no"

for something that just works, use ubuntu touch with a supported device (this will get you camera/etc) https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/

[amber fractal]

I have heavy doubts my devices are supported as LG and ASUS as my daily driver

[crystal sleet]

I'm already a verified developer (I think? I have 3 apps on play store) but this is going to be annoying either way

[tender river]

and for something that does not just work but uses proper linux (not whatever was originally shipped with the device), use https://wiki.postmarketos.org/

you can run pmos on an iphone x

as you can see it wont be a very good experience

but it will work

[olive sable]

Ill see if i do it in a couple days

I cant do it rn

[woven temple]

Nobody can steal or sell your data if it is freely accessible

[amber fractal]

Seems my option is suffering then, not on either list of supported devices.

[tender river]

you can find an android cfw

[amber fractal]

At least on the LG devices, I'd lose the dualscreen function of those phones. For the Asus maybe, but I would want to be sure about it as it is usually my fallback when all else fails.

[cosmic sphinx]

https://github.com/microsoft/VibeVoice?tab=readme-ov-file
interesting new tts model from msft

[crystal sleet]

The name

[amber fractal]

I'd rather network block those devices rather than remove the funtionallity I bought them for

[cosmic sphinx]

not completely multilingual

[amber fractal]

For anyone who wants to do research on my behalf, The device list is: LG G8X thinq, LG V60, Asus ROG Phone 6 (12gb, US). I don't expect anyone to actually have answers to these but just for transparency.

[tender river]

gc time

i have a plan

[cosmic sphinx]

gemini 3.0 imminent, or perhaps the native image gen for 2.5..?

hopefully whatever they ship, its gonna be tmrw

[tender river]

this works

C macros are beautiful in their stupidity

[crystal sleet]

Color

[tender river]

no way, turns out when i use an editor instead of just printfing some code it actually does syntax highlighting?

[tender river]

this is dependency injection

late binding

loose coupling

enterprise ready

[rigid snow]

let's be fair
it almost never is perfect, let alone on a platform where the port of ios 7 to a device that officially only supports ios 6 looks like this

[amber fractal]

Alrighty, this NN section is complete. Now I can begin working on other atomics before I piece it all together.

After I get rid of some bloat in the code actually

[tender river]

this also works

[olive sable]

aight im going to bed

gn

[glad path]

if self.modules[inner.name].start() is blocking should I use asyncio or threading

god i phrased that terribly

doesnt really matter what the function is

its blocking and I need it running concurrently

should I use threading or asyncio

or should I use like

both

[amber fractal]

https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio-task.html#asyncio.to_thread

I'd make sure it is started as a task

at least before throwing it to a thread

[glad path]

hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy reference???

[tender river]

if its blocking you should use threads but note that if the function does some processing it will still block by default because of gil

in python 3.13 theres experimental support for proper threads that dont block even if they're computing something

[glad path]

the threading is just going to be hard to manage though

[tender river]

but you have to use a separate version of python

[tender river]

concurrency is always hard to manage

[glad path]

since i'm writing a handler for plugins

so if i start them and the start function blocks

that would obviously kill the entire system

i'm guessing threading since asyncio is more loosely related to the specific task

[tender river]

yuh

[glad path]

though if I rewrote the plugin structure, it could probably be very clean

I'll try threading for now

[tender river]

even async functions can block

[glad path]

I'm going to want to save the thread somewhere, i'm assuming

or gc will get rid of it

[tender river]

if you want to run arbitrary code in general theres obvious potential for breakage

if you want to protect against infinite loop thats completely valid but you'll have to find a way to make a blocking function stop on a timeout or something

[tender river]

i dont think python uses structured concurrency for threads

[glad path]

ok another random question incoming:

should I start and save the thread within the plugin itself (i'd be adding that into the base class for plugins) or should I do that within the plugin loader/handler

[tender river]

i'd keep it in the loader

[glad path]

would be safer

[tender river]

since it may have to use thread pools or timeout logic or whatever, plugins doing that themselves is just messy

[glad path]

that's my thought

I think I might use thread pools

seems like the cleanest option

though the threads would be running until shutdown externally

so i'm not sure if it is necessarily the correct thing to do

[tender river]

ideally you'd tie the threads' lifetime to the plugin's lifetime

look into structured concurrency

[glad path]

my cat just confused me so much
she scratched the carpet and then I was like "dont... berrr...."
then she meowed
and i was like "dont start... wait what?"
"don't scratch, i mean."

least noticable effects of programming:

[tender river]

[raven dock]

I didn't get it before. Now I totally understand why they call it the swarm. At least maybe

[sage crag]

awawawawa

sworm

[true hemlock]

this is fucking dumb for reasons

[prime ridge]

Anybody familar with the neuro api here?

[sage crag]

vedal

https://asktoask.net/

[prime ridge]

bro is NOT here 😭

How do you send a register request via the API to register a command

[sage crag]

depends what language you are using i guess

and if it has bindings for the sdk

[prime ridge]

the syntax I can figure out

but the JSON isn't really detailed anywhere I've seen

[tender river]

🪱

[tender river]

???

theres a spec

[prime ridge]

where

ik there is I just don't know where

[tender river]

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-sdk/blob/main/API/SPECIFICATION.md

[prime ridge]

{
    "command": "actions/register",
    "game": string,
    "data": {
        "actions": Action[]
    }
}

This?

[tender river]

mhm

[prime ridge]

Thanks 🙏

[hollow spruce]

After I'm back

I was rooting my phone

Let me access server side

[glad path]

thoughts on user@hostname in a shell prompt?

i feel like it's appropriate to shorten it to just <user>

but a lot of people remove the entire sequence

[tender river]

its good if you ssh a lot

you can make it only show if you're in an ssh session though

[glad path]

i'll do that ig

though no one is going to be sshing into my laptop

hopefully

also why the hell did obs just trigger a full on system crash

I closed OBS and it crashed my entire laptop

[knotty sparrow]

Does anyone know what programing language vedal used for neuro?

[amber fractal]

Python for AI, C# for model

[knotty sparrow]

Okay

Thanks for the info

[real sierra]

any physics enthusiasts awake?

[bitter violet]

i'm here

[real sierra]

random question that popped into my mind

do the same materials that block radio waves, block magnetic fields?

I figure the answer is probably yes given how related they are, but I've never seen it explicitly stated

[midnight sigil]

https://kde.org/for/w10-exiles/

[mighty thorn]

if i had to guess, i'd say no

but that's just me

(nevermind i dont have image perms yet)

[real sierra]

actually I guess magnetic mines are a thing

but then I'm confused why we don't use electromagnets for communication in water

[mighty thorn]

because magnetism is way way way too spread out to be easy channeled into a beam so it dissipates

[bitter violet]

Actually i think it's not the same thing

[real sierra]

oh is it just too hard to direct

[mighty thorn]

well

[river oak]

no but why would that work
Just adding rotations to eachother
I've had it run for like 10 min and it's 500k characters

[mighty thorn]

remember in phineas and pherb where he makes a magnetic laser

thats actually really really hard

so it goes everywhere

[bitter violet]

They work on different principles radio waves are blocked by conductive materials, like a metal box but for a magnetic field, you need a special magnetic material to guide the field lines around the object you want to protect

[mighty thorn]

and thus dissipates

like if you flooded a room to drink water instead of just using a cup

you'd need too much for it to be practical

and it'd damage stuff

same with using magnets like that

[real sierra]

hmmm I see

[mighty thorn]

wait a moment

BIRTHDAY BOY????

why is everyone born in august

[bitter violet]

Do you like physics Shiro?

[safe path]

wtf why does x11rb do this

who creates a region, destorys it then uses it to set window shape region

this is what that is supposed to look like

[real sierra]

so

[safe path]

i have spent 4 hours on this i can't believe i need to pull out xtrace

[real sierra]

this may come as a shock to you

[mighty thorn]

uh oh

[real sierra]

but I was not born in august

[mighty thorn]

wow

[safe path]

shiro u are born everyday

[real sierra]

[crystal sleet]

wow

[safe path]

istg its gonna be because x11rb figured out the shape isn't used anymore since ive gotten the shape region or some shenanigan like that

[real sierra]

vanor

[safe path]

hi shiwo

[real sierra]

why has nobody made AI do sentiment analysis on news headlines to predict stock market impact

[river oak]

I can't believe eliv first memory leak is not on starboard

[real sierra]

you could just hook it up to a bunch of RSS feeds or something

[safe path]

does that not already exist

[midnight sigil]

[real sierra]

this seems like such a good application

but I've never seen it done somehow

[crystal sleet]

It's all clickbait, def gonna trick the AI to hell

[bitter violet]

The difficult thing is feeding the AI good data and maintain the AI online seeing the news but it could be done

[safe path]

im fairly sure its already being done, but not via news headlines

[real sierra]

it's not like the humans are fed any better data

[bitter violet]

thinking now it could really be done, if this Ai had access to social media like grok

[safe path]

i think hedge funds firms already do it, i remember some friend talking about it when i was too drunk to understand anything

(said friend is from hedge fund firm)

[real sierra]

yeah you could follow corporate media accounts

[bitter violet]

or maybe you can make a prompt like: "See this profile, this profile, this social circle of idk money and crypto and predict the possibilites" something like that

[crystal sleet]

I feel like we are, especially when it comes to faulty products and such, I feel like I subconsciously (and appropriately) avoid some brands without realising the reason, and then I realise that I've done well doing so

[real sierra]

I feel like you probably don't do as well as you're convinced you do

and I feel like that's true for most people

[safe path]

yeah nowadays ai trading does so much better than standard human beings

[real sierra]

not surprised

[safe path]

you'd genuinely need to be an analyst to beat some of the bots nowadays, and even then they use AI to help them

[crystal sleet]

Correct, but probably better than what AI would, knowing how much it gets baited by clickbait and unfounded claims

[real sierra]

stock market is just fake items being exchanged by fake shareholders

[bitter violet]

Hmmm idk

[real sierra]

what a time to be alive

[safe path]

u can doubt me but im now a broke student while they're earning 6 digits

[glad path]

frfr

[bitter violet]

I mean you would need a really really good AI who remembers everything and this is not so easy, but i think corporates and rich people maybe already have one

and you would need a lot of ram and a good gpu like idk Rtx 6000 pro?

To context length

[safe path]

are you talking about consumers or companies?

companies have access to way more than that

they don't need to own the hardware when they can rent them

[safe path]

i think news sentiment analysis is only one part of the equation? they also take into account of things like shareholder reports, annual financial reports, and stuff like that to make a decision

[real sierra]

do they really

[bitter violet]

The stock market and investments are a constant, it would actually be possible to do it with a rented GPU, but you would have to have it rented for a long time or pray not to lose the timing if something important happens and the AI ​​is not active at the time.

[real sierra]

stock go up or down

if good news stock go up

if bad news stock go down

[crystal sleet]

I feel like this a low-hanging fruit vs. high ceiling kinda thing. AI will do fine, but an actual professional will do good

[safe path]

if i knew i wouldn't be poor

[prime ridge]

just spam calls and u will surely make money (This is not financial advice)

[bitter violet]

Superficially yes

[real sierra]

all the analysis sounds like stuff best left to finance bros who will invest their life savings into a venture capital and then boast their 0.5% annual return

[safe path]

yeah but when you are a VC / Fintech / large enough firm rented GPUs is easy enough to get

it's only hard for consumers / smaller businesses because we're constrained by budgets

[bitter violet]

When it comes to large corporations, you can be sure they don't mind buying the hardware instead of renting it. But for us consumers, this is more difficult.

Unless you're a Vedal. Someone who can work miracles with an Ampere and faith.

[safe path]

omg 0.5% is better than my bank rates

[bitter violet]

What you do for living? (curiosity)

[safe path]

at some point they do have an on-prem cloud, but not everything is done there

on-prem clouds are typically used to crunch more sensitive numbers, usually closer to the last stage of decision-making

[bitter violet]

I NEED more ram. fuck

aaa

[real sierra]

AI isn't that interesting of a field to me tbh

too many chefs spoils the broth

[safe path]

but i only have info from the yapping a friend gave me so take it with a grain of salt

[real sierra]

I'll let rich kids buy GPU farms and experiment with it on my behalf

[bitter violet]

I thought so too until I used it and understood the science behind it.

[crystal sleet]

Same, AI feels like "Throw data into a wall until it makes a dent that we can showcase"

[real sierra]

it's just too hyped and people are trying to put it in everything

it's a useful technology but heinously misapplied right now

[safe path]

im going back to uni to steal ideas about ai safety, because it's related to work

[real sierra]

fuck uni

[safe path]

real

[real sierra]

I've become wise at last

university is a business

[sage crag]

shr

[real sierra]

and my problem was not treating it as such

[sage crag]

and mr sigma

[safe path]

[real sierra]

I'm getting the easiest and quickest degree and then dipping

because there is zero income increase associated with a better degree for me at this stage

non-honours bachelor's nets me a 6 figure salary

[safe path]

wait shiro aren't u already graduating

[real sierra]

yeah

I graduate next year

[safe path]

gratz on bachelors!

oh

that's long

[real sierra]

I know

not so bad tho

[tender river]

i plan to try emacs next year (on my helix arc right now) what resources would you recommend?

[real sierra]

only one course after jan

[safe path]

a church

[tender river]

[safe path]

[crystal sleet]

neovim

[tender river]

om

[real sierra]

if you aren't on a potato there is no reason to not use gvim

get with the times

[safe path]

if you want a painless (relatively), u can start with a well-known distro (like spacemacs) just to obtain muscle memory

[crystal sleet]

Emacs ecosystem is too split

[tender river]

get back to me when your config is like this https://github.com/chayleaf/dotfiles/blob/master/home/modules/nvim.nix

[safe path]

then, slowly implement the configs that u get from spacemacs on your own

[tender river]

painless? emacs?

[safe path]

my journey was Doom -> vanilla emacs -> Prelude

[real sierra]

linux users spending 10 hours to set up shittier notepad

(it saves them 5 seconds per year)

[safe path]

i am still dealing with the 5 possible ways to fucking indent C code

[opaque sigil]

only 10 hours? damn

[crystal sleet]

My nvim config is prob really fucking large

[bitter violet]

It involves math, calculating losses, and the most tedious part is being able to gather the dataset and feed the knowledge into the AI ​​without it becoming stupid or distorted by it.

AI is complex. Training an AI is like raising a child. Most parents can get their children to eat and pass fourth grade, but not all can get their children through college. Idk not my best analogy

[tender river]

bucket

[safe path]

wait @real sierra i think i graduate the same time as u do

albiet with a masters

[real sierra]

DEBT

[crystal sleet]

1356 lines

[safe path]

shiro i will tell you my life story one day

[real sierra]

vanor is rich

[safe path]

no i am poor

[tender river]

thats very small

[real sierra]

vanor is not rich

[safe path]

everyone is not rich compared to the 1%

[crystal sleet]

And I have tons of stolen code too

[real sierra]

if it makes you feel better my parents asked me if I could lend them money

if that's any indicator of my financial sphere

[bitter violet]

It's your birthday?

[safe path]

that's kinda wild tho

[real sierra]

unfortunately not my birthday

[safe path]

btw my emacs config

[real sierra]

I've funded my own schooling 100%

[bitter violet]

(what)

[real sierra]

[safe path]

the reason why i didn't screenshot earlier is because I unbound my zoom keys and i forgot how to zoom with M-x

[bitter violet]

So... Why the cake?

[real sierra]

I CAN'T TAKE IT OFF

[unkempt citrus]

Cos it's shiros birthday

[real sierra]

[safe path]

wow who would subject bro to such a fate

[sage crag]

unhapy unbirtday

[safe path]

that is so mean

[real sierra]

[real sierra]

wtf is that noise outside

[sage crag]

:enub: stocks just keep increasing

[real sierra]

cryptid

[bitter violet]

A filter-sama plushie would sell a lot...

[tender river]

that was enub

[real sierra]

it sounds like a bird but not quite right

[crystal sleet]

There was no noise, SCHIZO or sum?

[real sierra]

something is wrong

[sage crag]

it was

[bitter violet]

ops wrong chat

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[safe path]

shiro u is die

[real sierra]

im closing my window I'm scared of the midnight creatures

[tender river]

i'm closing my helix window because im scared of what i wrote

[sage crag]

nnuueerroorrbb

[real sierra]

[safe path]

chayleaf what are you gonna try after emacs

why emote not spin

[sage crag]

nuru

[tender river]

[real sierra]

T

[sage crag]

nuruNotSpin

t

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi shiro

[tender river]

hi t

[stray dragon]

hi konii

hi chayleaf

[real sierra]

hit

t 🍵

[sage crag]

ⓣ

[stray dragon]

yes it's me

[crystal sleet]

I don't understand the culture of this community (New leaf)

[bitter violet]

Out of curiosity, what is your setup, guys?

[sage crag]

3 rocks and a sparkler

[bitter violet]

hardware

[real sierra]

chaotic and silly

nobody here takes things too seriously

[tender river]

i might write my own editor some day but busy with languages right now, my current long term project is a 100% incremental pure/deterministic language which i hope will be a good fit for dsls and further language development

[safe path]

omg wait oh yeah you're a new guy

[real sierra]

there's a thousand running jokes that you just pick up as you go

[safe path]

remember this: vanorsigma does not hate evil

no matter who tells you otherwise it's fake news

[opaque sigil]

i expect lots of explosions

[bitter violet]

Can it run minecraft?

[tender river]

laptop + bfkb113pbk + xp-pen g640 + logitech g502 + a random xiaomi monitor

[sage crag]

what's minecraft

[midnight sigil]

craftmine

[bitter violet]

bro what is a bfkb113pbk?

[tender river]

keyboard

[sage crag]

keyboard

you can tell because the name

[tender river]

kb

mhm

[bitter violet]

It's a movie

[sage crag]

is produced by the manufacturer slamming their head into the keyboard

[tender river]

thats an interesting way to wash a keyboard

[midnight sigil]

it's okay just dry it before having power supplied 👍

[sage crag]

its not ok

banned

[midnight sigil]

I mean I use to wash motherboards with water

[tender river]

just put your entire pc case in a washing machine

[opaque sigil]

[crystal sleet]

Someone should make a looping animation of that

[bitter violet]

👀

...

[crystal sleet]

I use isopropyl alcohol

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1408985887806849065/3dgifmaker37524.gif

[bitter violet]

Me too i love the smell

the smell of death

[crystal sleet]

My guy

[sage crag]

did you know that fruit flies are attracted to isopropyl alchohol

[crystal sleet]

Does that mean I'm so fly

[sage crag]

no

just a fly

[midnight sigil]

tbh if any liquid is pure enough, it's not supposed to conduct electricity thus no shorting

[sage crag]

glueless

liquid carbon

liquid steel

[opaque sigil]

liquid tungsten

[crystal sleet]

I like the smell + can also get stains off and stuff

[sage crag]

liquid sodium

[bitter violet]

liquid uranium

[midnight sigil]

liquid metal excluded

[opaque sigil]

yummy

[crystal sleet]

Liquid human

[sage crag]

also liquid salt

[bitter violet]

I wanted to use liquid metal as a cooler in my cpu and gpu vram

[midnight sigil]

does molten salt conduct electricity??

[bitter violet]

but too risky even for me

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

yes

[crystal sleet]

The remainder from the iron sword project

[midnight sigil]

that's crazy

[sage crag]

they actually use it in the extraction of aluminium from aluminium ore

[midnight sigil]

but I think your PCB is already melting if you pour any molten chemicals on it

[bitter violet]

Do you guys drink a lot of coffee?

[sage crag]

because aluminium is so reactive it quickly forms an oxide layer in water

so they perform electrolysis in molten salt instead

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

i need to make focus orb

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1409333118405574826/3dgifmaker76610.gif

[crystal sleet]

Go to the chem channel or smth

[midnight sigil]

#chemistry

[opaque sigil]

no, the good beans are too expensive

[crystal sleet]

I like tea

[sage crag]

molten salt is a security topic

[safe path]

it is

you salt your passwords

right chat

right

[sage crag]

✅

[opaque sigil]

[midnight sigil]

[bitter violet]

How much does it cost where you live?

[midnight sigil]

molten salt means salting with semi-chaotic algorithm

[sage crag]

more than not too expensive

[crystal sleet]

because it's fluid

[tender river]

my school didnt salt passwords

it also used md5

[opaque sigil]

a kg of speciality coffee is like 40€ or sth

[sage crag]

what a hash

md5sum<"password"

[safe path]

security theatre aah password management

[bitter violet]

What...? Wait let me see something

[sage crag]

i bet i could log in by trying random words

[tender river]

you couldnt

md5 isnt that bad

which is why it got popular

[sage crag]

its not post quantum 😔

[bitter violet]

Wait a minute you're telling me that 1kg of coffe is 40 bucks where you live?

[tender river]

but also security wasnt valued as much in early 2000s

[opaque sigil]

not all but the highest quality beans are (i think normal ones are like 10 per kg or sth, it's been a while)

[tender river]

you can find plenty of old cryptography books that cover md5 and say it isnt veyr secure

but it was used anyway

[bitter violet]

The highest quality coffe here is like 15 bucks

[opaque sigil]

where do you live

[midnight sigil]

fuck coffee, pure coffein is way cheaper

[opaque sigil]

that's just miserable

[bitter violet]

But it makes sense I live in a country that is the largest coffee producer in the world.

[crystal sleet]

I like my fun in powder form

[opaque sigil]

okay yeah that checks out then

[bitter violet]

Brazilians don't live without coffe

They say the human body is 70% water, here we are 70% caffeine, btw im italian but i live in brazil

[bitter violet]

Where do you live?

[opaque sigil]

my main problem is that i don't feel like having coffee nearly often enough to avoid the beans getting stale so there's no point

germany

[bitter violet]

I've always wanted to visit germany

[opaque sigil]

it's certainly one of the countries of all time

[bitter violet]

This is a very programming topic

I hate tea...

I JUST CANT

What teas do you drink?

[junior pendant]

I've got a both a question/taught but not sure if it belongs in here or not since it's more like the difference between the organic brain operating and our current binary computer systems

[tender river]

its fine to ask here since this is basically the stem channel

but im lazy so i wont talk about it

[junior pendant]

So basically it's the fact that Vedal has to clear Neuro & Evil's memory cause it takes to much space, knowing from my own job which is first line support, disc is expensive especially to store data, our current computing systems use binary encoding which even with the best optimization will have limits, in Star Trek for instance the isolinear chips they use are 5-state systems but they also have limits in storage & processing, but organic brains don't really have that issue, sure memories go hazy and details change but external stimuli can recover memories of even decades ago, so it's clear to say the brain does definitely not work on binary, it's both a "hard drive" and data processing unit at the same time

also I became obsessed with AI when I first saw Serial Experiments Lain in the early 2000's, I'm a bad coder at best but an excellent dba

[bitter violet]

I see where this is going, qubits? quantum computing?

[tender river]

ugh ok you made me want to answer, brain has a lot of capacity actually but the way it stores data is in its own structure. its just different from having an external memory where you write stuff

additionally, binary is good because its so simple and easy to make, a (e.g.) 5-state system may sound cool but if it were cheaper we'd be making that

if you do a very remote comparison (i said very remote), think of brains as neuro/evil's core language model, and of books as their memory

the reason its a remote comparison is because llms are just inherently not designed to grow and adapt (even if they may pretend to grow in certain scenarios)

[tender river]

as an example, trinary computers were tried in the 20th century, and they were actually superior in certain areas but the way they were made is by chaining bits and pretending they are trits

[bitter violet]

[tender river]

mcst tsmc

[bitter violet]

How much ram and memory neuro and evil should have? I mean they can remember a lot of things, and respond with a really good latency

[tender river]

ram is mostly only relevant for the live2d side

vram - as much as their llms and accompanying models (if running on gpu) use

memory - as much as vedal lets them

[bitter violet]

What do you mean by only relevant for the live2d side?

I mean vram noramally carries the weights of the llm

[tender river]

only the code that doesnt run on the gpu, i.e. the code that draws the model/etc

[bitter violet]

and ram the context

[tender river]

no

[bitter violet]

no?

[tender river]

anything the llm wants to access has to be in the gpu somehow

because thats where the maths takes place

[bitter violet]

But before passing through the vram, doesn't the data pass through the ram?

[tender river]

well, for starters it cant not pass through ram since you have to load something to ram before you send it to vram

[bitter violet]

So what do RAM and the context window have to do with each other?

[tender river]

nothing? you need vram

anyway, it doesnt matter neuro could run on the cloud for all we know

[river oak]

The context is like 10MiB max

[bitter violet]

Ahh i think i understand

[tender river]

anyway, neuro's pc has 128gb ram

or at least had? i think?

because it's safer that way, if a memory leak happens it wont crash the stream

and because its not that expensive for vedal (compared to, say, launching the first smart lava lamp on the market. lol)

additionally, please dont ask me about how llm inference works, i have no idea (wrt what i wrote above, i may be wrong but at least i know i'm probably mostly right)

[river oak]

Though obviously other things that use memory will scale with it
But by itself it's nothing

[tender river]

i think needed vram scales O(N^2) with context length

at least on the commonly used llm architectures

if you want more you usually just attach a RAG

[river oak]

I don't think anyone knows what neuro has, I was assuming around 1M tokens

[tender river]

doubtful

[bitter violet]

Ah... I think not? I mean the context tokens of llm, i can be wrong but isn't something like: Number of Tokens in Context x Embedding Size of each Token 4096 x 2 bytes (fp16) = 8192 bytes so 4096 tokens is 32MiB?

[tender river]

it doesnt scale that way for all llms

it depends

there are llms with 1m context

but they are pretty new

neuro doesnt need that much

[amber fractal]

The main thing on LLMs is that it is stateless. Sure there is some caching (like I'll be assuming neuro has) but otherwise it is just slower as you get larger.

I doubt neuro needs 1m context, as a decent memory fetch can remove a lot of that overhead.

[bitter violet]

Sometimes I wonder how Vedal trains Neuro.

And if sometimes he doesn't need to act like her, like during training. Plot twist: Neuro's entire personality is the inner Vedal personality. But he hides from us

[tender river]

people overestimate how advanced neuro is, she's a good application of existing technologies in tandem, not some groundbreaking new research doing laps around ai companies

it's the power of pursuing content rather than maximum adoption on the market

[bitter violet]

The big difference is that Neuro was very well trained. She really performs very well in terms of results.

That's the streamer part, to keep ppl entertained

I think Neuro would make a good AI to talk, so you could talk like a "character.AI" but only Neuro.

On second thought, it would be a terrible idea. I can already imagine jailbreaks, NSFW, and some laws being broken. Better save that idea for the future.

[river oak]

Wait but embeddings don't have to be all in (V)RAM right
Or maybe they do actually for neuro

[amber fractal]

As a general rule, if you want your LLM to be anywhere near fast. Have everything it needs in the closest RAM that exists. VRAM in most cases.

[tight tinsel]

:ramnom:

[amber fractal]

It will be checked, it is inevitable

Yep

I personally consider it external as it is a tool call

[river oak]

Until she forgets how to use it

[amber fractal]

We got this one as well, RAG is the common term

A high context high speed but light model to summarize past context.

The fated Titans is an integrated RAG right in the model itself.

Paper made its rounds as it claimed for massive context increases. I apologize for any of the regulars over the flashbacks of arguments this one caused.

Personally, and what I'm wanting to work on is memory without tool calls.

Something still external, but not as "hot" as the black box of LLMs

[river oak]

For games like minecraft she should straight up have a separate model that asks her to make decisions and that she just orders around.
Unless vedal achieves negative latency

[amber fractal]

hot being always running with every token

[river oak]

Wait that was AI already?
The camera work was so insane I thought it was just regular pathfinder

Or well it doesn't matter if pathfinding is AI or not if the movement itself is not trained to be natural

[amber fractal]

AI comes in many different flavors, pathfinding has existed for ages

[river oak]

I mean the site says it's AI
But yeah pathfinding minecraft doesn't seem like an AI problem
Natural movement though for sure

[amber fractal]

The term AI is too bloated

Probably official site

Just guessing

[river oak]

https://liugems.com/baritone-client-mod/

Is that not it

Yeah lol the description seems sus compared to github

[amber fractal]

We love the Pizza Rolls

Pay no attention to the license

[river oak]

lmao
I mean they probably meant "AI" as in "bot", because it looks like it's old

[tender river]

??????? thats literally AI

[river oak]

https://baritonemod.com

💀💀💀 💀 💀 💀

[amber fractal]

Reason I dislike the term and refer to a lot of stuff as NN

[tender river]

[jagged turtle]

you cannot assign a string literal to a string literal like a variable

||you used 1 = sign not 2||

[tender river]

nerd

[river oak]

Now this is AI
And I don't mean the mod

[river oak]

meanwhile lua

[jagged turtle]

chill with the aggression bro

oh ik
you don't need to be aggressive
also I like being a compiler

[tender river]

???????

please be nice

[jagged turtle]

do you need meds