programming

[olive sable]

It said "game boost enabled, oc not recommended"

[true hemlock]

should be fine surely

[olive sable]

But ye ill just lower the ram

3733 also failed

[true hemlock]

damn

AMD IMC moment

[olive sable]

Ye

Im doing 4 dimms tho so not too unexpected

[amber fractal]

become 2 dimm that are matched

[olive sable]

They're all matched

But ye lemme remove 2 dimms maybe

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

[hidden ravine]

clanker 🔺

[midnight sigil]

clanker 🔺

[true hemlock]

im on verge of resetting the bot's tokens

[midnight sigil]

disable game boost

👍

[true hemlock]

and since i forgot the password, bot will be dead forever

[olive sable]

o7

[midnight sigil]

would you consider to rerun this score?

[true hemlock]

i wanna

[midnight sigil]

also there's no way bred got less fps than my shitty laptop

absolutely no way

[olive sable]

Aight im on 2 dimms now and 3800 did work

[true hemlock]

nice

[olive sable]

My cpu isnt clocking as high anymore

Fuck

Its stuck at 4ghz

[midnight sigil]

chat can any of you send me a copy of compiled triangle for linux

[true hemlock]

you prob will still need vulkan runtime

and sdl3

[olive sable]

Ye

Those arent included

And youll need the shaders folder too

[midnight sigil]

damn scary LN2 cooling

[midnight sigil]

I see

I'm hoping of NixOS

[true hemlock]

fuck it for linux im going 1.75v

o7

[olive sable]

Its probably "game boost" thats fucking up my cpu clock soeed, lelle disable that

[midnight sigil]

"How to burn USD$400 under 10 minutes"

[jagged turtle]

🤔

very interesting

[true hemlock]

*USD $182

[olive sable]

Oh. Game boost just locks the cpu ratio to 39.75

[true hemlock]

es are dirt cheap

[midnight sigil]

that's much lower than the amazon one

I guess you got it from the chinese

[nocturne olive]

Unstable system?

[true hemlock]

where else i can get es from lmao

[midnight sigil]

there are ones on ebay and amazon after all

[true hemlock]

only chinese got hit by high volumes of ES cpus

[olive sable]

Ive done deals here for 3090's over continent of europe, surely someone could send me the fastest am4 cpu in existance?

[true hemlock]

sam

idea

for triangle 2 make it graphically intensive

[olive sable]

ok ok

[true hemlock]

except you have to run it on AVX

[olive sable]

What

Uhh idk

Well see

[true hemlock]

since i see a lot of us actually have high core count cpus

lol

[olive sable]

The goal is for me as fast as possible, i dont want to put catch on it

[olive sable]

Ye we do

Programming uses a lot of cores or something idk

Aight im trying 4000mhz next

[true hemlock]

compiling uses lots of cores yeah

[olive sable]

Didnt work lmao

[true hemlock]

right

[olive sable]

This poor trident z neo 3600 16-19-19-39 ram

[true hemlock]

oh fuck

OH FUCK

I SMELL SMOKE

[olive sable]

Nooooo

[true hemlock]

uh oh

[olive sable]

My program killed a cpu

The magic smoke is real

[true hemlock]

umm

it still boots to bios

[olive sable]

Hmmm

Im geussing you just should stop pushing 100W into a single core

[true hemlock]

maybe my house mates cooking something downstairs? i do smell smoke

should be fine...?

surely

the smoke is stronger on my room than when i tried to directly sniff my pc so i think its a false alarm

[olive sable]

It booted to 3866 but immediatly complained about corrupt memory. I think 3800 is my max

[true hemlock]

o7

[nocturne olive]

My max is definitely 3800, it stops posting after that

[true hemlock]

get s8b chip dram

[nocturne olive]

So all I can tune at this point is timings

[olive sable]

It posted to 3866 for me, but wouldnt go into linux

[true hemlock]

its just $180 for 2x8GB

[nocturne olive]

I'm broke, remember?
And I would like to stick to 64GB

I need the 64GB in average use

[olive sable]

I payed 300 for 5950x + x570 mobo + 4x16 3600 ram

[true hemlock]

surely you can find 2x32 s8b

[olive sable]

I aint paying that much for 16gb

[true hemlock]

wtf

[nocturne olive]

I don't even know how to know what die a RAM kit has
And again, completely broke

[true hemlock]

ummm its not booting

[nocturne olive]

If I had the money to experiment, maybe
But I just lack the budget to do anything silly and just have to stick to what I've got

[olive sable]

Hmmm, i changed the fclk clovk and now i dont have screen output

[nocturne olive]

CPU degraded?

[true hemlock]

no im trying 5200MT/s cl14

oh

OH

[nocturne olive]

Running DDR4 at DDR5 speeds, how silly

[true hemlock]

ITS BOOTING??

[nocturne olive]

5200 is absolutely not something I could even hope to achieve

[olive sable]

Im not even given the chance to go into bios, it hates me

[nocturne olive]

I guess my RAM dies suck

[true hemlock]

its a highly binned B-die

[nocturne olive]

My RAM sucks just as much as my Osu skills I guess

[true hemlock]

5366 works on nix

i increased voltage a bit

[nocturne olive]

I forgor what kind of die I have

[true hemlock]

5366 cl14

[true hemlock]

probably e-die

or m-die

or whatever there are

[nocturne olive]

There's probably some way to check

[true hemlock]

what's the ddr4 world record again

[trim valve]

[trim valve]

amd drivers my beloved

[nocturne olive]

Someone did 7156 MT/s CL58

[true hemlock]

cl58

[nocturne olive]

When you're going for clocks I guess timings can go to the moon

[olive sable]

I love how there are pins to reset the bios but i dont remember which so im just connecting all of them

[trim valve]

I am more than mildly tempted to turn on PBO to set a funny record

[olive sable]

I was already doing bpo 3 lmao

[midnight sigil]

this is not even about triangle anymore

it's about pushing hardware

[olive sable]

Had to reset my bios since it broke

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

Unless you want to get nuked by quack, might be a good idea

[olive sable]

Hell ye, 35773

[nocturne olive]

Well, I have yet to find a way to fetch the die information for my RAM on Linux

[amber fractal]

I'm going to lose 3rd place

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

thought this was windows

can we get more competitors on windows pweez

[olive sable]

Its linux

[olive sable]

My win11 install is very bloated, i wouldnt get close anyways

[midnight sigil]

I have two records on top 3 and it made me feel embarrassed

[midnight sigil]

get tiny10

or tiny11

[olive sable]

Nah

I wouldnt use it anyways so i dont see a point in installing it purely for the triangle

[trim valve]

my cache finally works

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

now uh

I still have no idea why it didn't run last night

but

[olive sable]

If it works it works

Cl15 wont boot

Ill have to keep 16

Ill try to lower the other settings

[nocturne olive]

I have still not found a way to fetch the die information from these things

[olive sable]

Hmm. Ok lowering the 2nd thing from 19 to 18 also broke

The 3rd one seems fine at 18

The waybar never loaded in tho so its far from stable

Il just gonna try the last one

That one seems to tolerate lower nulbers more

[nocturne olive]

I give up, I don't think there's a way for me to find the die type of my RAM that I can find

[olive sable]

I didnt even know you could do that

[nocturne olive]

Also I may try more overclocking this weekend, though still on this bad RAM and still no voltage increasing

[dry charm]

if you get me a way to compile the windows one sure

I can do it on Linux but on windows I get no usable errors lol

[nocturne olive]

Maybe I'll finally get to the CPU

I haven't touched the clocks on that yet

Though I also don't have a massive amount of cooling headroom

Unless I undervolt but no way undervolting and overclocking at the same time works

[junior zodiac]

@nocturne olive Hi boxu@nocturne olive

[dry charm]

oh I don't have cpp desktop install on VS

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[dry charm]

what

[nocturne olive]

That's not the thing to ask on this server

[junior zodiac]

Without getting hacked

[junior zodiac]

Then where

[nocturne olive]

I don't know, but not here

[junior zodiac]

Sad

[amber fractal]

What is going on here?

[nocturne olive]

Some random person wanting to do illegal stuff, probably gonna get banned soon

[amber fractal]

Seems about right

[dry charm]

Also I'm pretty sure search engine is your firend

but anyway, installing VS cpp stuff

hopefully now I can run it

[junior zodiac]

Wahhhhh

Lemme dlt it

Doneee

Nobody saw anything

I know nothing

[warped narwhal]

it's usually two pins underneath / next to the cmos battery, otherwise you'll have to check your motherboard manual

[olive sable]

It was all the way at the bottom

[amber fractal]

I'm losing to sam and there is nothing I can do about it

[warped narwhal]

yeah, some do that for some reason

[warped narwhal]

[dry charm]

I'm running it in windows

I unplugged my 4k display and it dropped a thousands fps

[amber fractal]

I've pushed this laptop to the limit, at the end it is still a laptop

I'll make a correction though, I'm thermal limited not power at the moment

[dry charm]

Windows 11 i7-9750H GTX 1650M

how tf did I get 13k on Linux

[amber fractal]

Using myself as a heatpipe is not enough

[amber fractal]

It seriously just is better

[midnight sigil]

3.1k*

oh

rexdtvgyunhjiok

I'm dumb

ignore me

[dry charm]

😄

[midnight sigil]

[dry charm]

Something is seriously wrong

NOW ONLY 1.4k FPS?

what is going on

??????? WHAT IS GOING ON

if I have it on my laptop screen, it's 800 FPS
if I move it to my 4k display, it's 3.2k FPS

HUH

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

Disable the laptop screen

[dry charm]

How does this make sense?!

[midnight sigil]

are they running on different cores

[nocturne olive]

Something to do with what GPU is wired to the screen

[true hemlock]

its hardcoded, might be same core, and the thread scheduler is weird so sometimes one gets more priority

[dry charm]

???????

[nocturne olive]

If the laptop screen is connected to the iGPU internally, the signals have to pass trough a lot of other stuff

[amber fractal]

Your telling me that someone is actually gpu limited

[nocturne olive]

When you realize using the iGPU reduces performance

[amber fractal]

First case of it honestly

[nocturne olive]

It's more about bandwidth and latency

[dry charm]

OOOH

I get what you mean

HDMI is directly wired to the dGPU

oh yeah ok now I get it

now it makes sense

[nocturne olive]

When the signals have to come out of one GPU and pass trough another that uses up a lot of time, and the iGPU also uses RAM bandwidth to do its thing

[dry charm]

Why doesn't this limitation exist on Linux then though

oh wait I only used the screen and not the display

I need to retest in the afternoon

nep remind 6h retest in linux 4k

[bitter coral]

Does this mean we finally have a windows user under 10k?

[dry charm]

yes

[nocturne olive]

X11 also works different from how Windows works, unless you're on Wayland

[dry charm]

Wayland KDE

actually same config as my desktop thanks to nix

[nocturne olive]

Then I don't know, I'm an X11 user

Wayland would not support my remote desktop needs

[dry charm]

yeah it is very bad

[bitter coral]

I would get my laptop to run it for really poor fps but I’m not sure how to get it to not crash the program. So I only added to the list of 0 fps windows.

[olive sable]

Turning of hyperthreading made it slower i think

[amber fractal]

ggs in advance to you

I can't do anything to defend my place

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I can't OC on this laptop

[olive sable]

Chatgpt is telling me to put the scalar at 20x, but this only goes to 10x

[amber fractal]

I'm out of options

[olive sable]

Havent heard from quack in a while

[dry charm]

can you run this on UEFI

[amber fractal]

Yeah, that isn't a good sign

[nocturne olive]

Tried something silly, hit 5700 FPS or something on my silly remote laptop
Windows 10 with trivial debloating, i5-8265U, UHD graphics 620

[amber fractal]

considering no linux score exists yet

[olive sable]

Quack might have fried his 13900k

[nocturne olive]

*Non-K

[olive sable]

Ye

His unlocked locked 13900

[nocturne olive]

You can add this as my Windows score if you'd like

[olive sable]

Its locked but without the lock

[dry charm]

lockedn't

[olive sable]

Cheeseburger with no cheese

[nocturne olive]

I don't have a better system running Windows anyway

How does it ocmpare to others on Windows anyway?

[amber fractal]

I might submit a windows score tomorrow

It's going to be worse than this one but I may as well try

[nocturne olive]

I expect you to beat my Windows score at least

[amber fractal]

I hope so

[bitter coral]

All I know is yesterday the lowest non crash was 11k but I think yours is second to last now.

[nocturne olive]

Truly a peak laptop

[olive sable]

It seems like linux wont load with the scaler to 10x

[nocturne olive]

@olive sable Did you get that one?

[amber fractal]

I seem to remeber that laptop having a semi functional OC menu

[nocturne olive]

Which laptop?

[olive sable]

Wdym?

[amber fractal]

Some levno gaming laptop

[bitter coral]

Isn’t quack the only person adding scores?

[nocturne olive]

Did you write down the score?

[amber fractal]

can't remember if it can do cpu as well

I only knew of gpu

[olive sable]

No im doing oc rn

I dont have the readme file open

[analog junco]

I have a question is neuro considered an AGI?
(I am explaining neuro to a friend)

[olive sable]

No

[bitter coral]

No

[analog junco]

Understood

[amber fractal]

Depends on who you ask, term is fuzzy at best. In other words no

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

[warped narwhal]

we need a sam triangle performance regulator

[midnight sigil]

can your motherboard even support LN2 cooling

[olive sable]

Yes

[amber fractal]

Surely if the option is there

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

You just need to coat it first

But the electronics shit to support it is there

[midnight sigil]

even if you coat it, the compressive stress will still crack your board apart if it's not quality enough

[olive sable]

Its a msi tomahawk x570 wifi

Surely its fine

[midnight sigil]

msi

[amber fractal]

Chat is it bad that the reason I might sell stuff off for a desktop is so I can triangle faster?

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

asus rog better

[olive sable]

Geekbench benchmark mode is faster than cinebench benchlark mode

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

Or well, its slower total but spikes higher

[amber fractal]

We need sustained

[midnight sigil]

you shouldn't use benchmark modes for daily basis

for triangle maybe

[olive sable]

This is ot daily basis

After this im putting my ram back in

[midnight sigil]

[nocturne olive]

Oh ok then

[olive sable]

While i do like going to 3800mhz, i prefer having 64gb

[nocturne olive]

I have 64GB and go to 3800

[olive sable]

Ok

I dont

[nocturne olive]

AMD memory controller I guess

[olive sable]

Aida64 memory benchmark mode posts but has no display out

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[olive sable]

Hmmm

My cachyos broke

Or more likely its the oc making it break

[true hemlock]

@olive sable @nocturne olive wait how do you try with llvmpipe

[nocturne olive]

No idea

I probably can't anyway

[olive sable]

I just run on the igpu mode, that sets your dgpu score to 0 and since i dont have an igpu it chooses llvmpipe as best

[true hemlock]

oh lmao

[olive sable]

If you do have an igpu just go to devices.cpp and change the rate function

There's something like if dgou score += 1000, set that for the igpu and dgpu to if xyz return 0

[flint dome]

guys is undervolting any good and will it help performance and battery

[olive sable]

Oops my pc froze

Lmao

[flint dome]

eat it

forzen ice taste yummy

[olive sable]

It didnt like an allcore workload

[flint dome]

couldn't you park one or two

[olive sable]

Idk

I was just testing some shit

[flint dome]

eh whatever

just restart it

it'll work again

[olive sable]

Core 19 seems to be my fastest core

[flint dome]

eat it

[olive sable]

Basicly core 3 in desguise tho

[flint dome]

yummy core

eat it all

become a tech priest

[opaque sigil]

tldr: yes

[flint dome]

will it damage my cpu in the long run

[olive sable]

No

[opaque sigil]

Nah

[olive sable]

I think undervolting is actually better

Less heat so less thermal wear

[opaque sigil]

Mhm

[flint dome]

alright might be worth looking into

i want to mainly set two modes up one for long battery use and one for performance when plugged

[rare bramble]

Undervolting has very little downside to it, unless you undervolt too much, then your cpu could become unstable, but worst case scenario you just crash, then you have to increase the voltage a little by little until it's stable (the voltage still being below where you started)

[midnight sigil]

undervolt so I have 2001 experience

0.5GHz let's goo

[rare bramble]

the clock stays the same even when you undervolt

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes it even goes higher since you end up with more thermal headroom

[flint dome]

caibi that's called underclocking not undervolting

[olive sable]

Sometiles one causes the other i think?

[flint dome]

idk about that one

[crystal sleet]

no..

[olive sable]

I think if the voltage drops too much your cpu wont be able to keep the clock high enough?

Thats how it works for ram

[rare bramble]

something like that

[midnight sigil]

Oh...

[opaque sigil]

It'll just hard crash if there's not enough voltage

[crystal sleet]

Yep, just tested it, i9 14900k (I don't remember what I originally undervolted to, I am my own worst enemy)

[olive sable]

Seems like 35773 is the highest i could go, somwhere along the way of overclocking it lowered my fps by just enough to not be able to reach that again

[opaque sigil]

You should try running the triangle with that cpu

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

It should be faster than a 9950X I think

[olive sable]

Outperforming quack potentially

He'll get mad lmao

Lemme turn off all these overclocks so my cpu wont frie

Nah actually let me try one more thing

[true hemlock]

yo

[olive sable]

Noway

[true hemlock]

1.65v because i don't wanna risk further degradation

[crystal sleet]

I have actually never benchmarked my system

[true hemlock]

@nocturne olive

[olive sable]

"Further"

[true hemlock]

also for some reason its faster on my 4th core

[olive sable]

Thats normal

Cpus have faster cores

[true hemlock]

kind of wanna stream

of me trying to optimize for dgpu

[olive sable]

Im probably gonna stop after this and start watching anime

I just have one last plan

Since my rams Cl and thev2nd and 3rd thing wouldnt go lower

Im testing how low i can make the last one

[true hemlock]

hopefully streaming doesn't tank my fps too much

[olive sable]

It most likely will

Iirc when i had 4K fos on opengl, obs would make it drop to half or so

[true hemlock]

aight im ready to run on dgpu

really curious how it'd turn out

[olive sable]

Seems like 34 when its norlally 39 make cachyos not able to boot

Leys try 35

[true hemlock]

watch my stream

(when i damn well knew it'll tank my fps like crazy

HOLY

[olive sable]

Is that 100k again?

[true hemlock]

YEAH

@nocturne olive

[olive sable]

Is it real?

Like

[true hemlock]

yep

[olive sable]

Not a bug?

[true hemlock]

yeah

hold on i'll close stream

check how many fps

[flint dome]

yo holy shit

6 figure fps

[true hemlock]

huh about the same?

[olive sable]

Hmmm

Try restarting it?

[true hemlock]

i need to check something

if this is right then this is the first time 100K have been reached

need to make sure its not a bug

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[true hemlock]

.

software rendering really beat your gpu if that's legit

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

It already did earlier anyway though

[hollow spruce]

Did my app crash or bug

FPS: 8.10052e+06
FPS: 8.07321e+06
FPS: 8.10417e+06
FPS: 8.08254e+06
FPS: 8.09541e+06
FPS: 8.06767e+06
FPS: 8.07606e+06
FPS: 8.08052e+06
FPS: 8.24077e+06
FPS: 8.27266e+06
FPS: 8.22981e+06

[nocturne olive]

Unfortunately I don't think I can software render, something silly about the Nvidia drivers forces everything to use the Nvidia GPUs

[olive sable]

Ihh

Idk

Probably

[nocturne olive]

Did you resize?

[hollow spruce]

Nobe screen ratio is set to 480

[true hemlock]

8 million

[nocturne olive]

I mean did you resize the triangle app

[hollow spruce]

Nobe

[olive sable]

I jighly doubt it should even be doing e numbers

[flint dome]

you do know the highest is 154 trillion fps

[nocturne olive]

Oh, it's not the triangle app?

[olive sable]

It cant be

[hollow spruce]

It is the bug

[olive sable]

When we had tested not rendering anything it just said 6 bilion as 6275357975

[flint dome]

anything is possible enough with imagination even on a home device

[hollow spruce]

FPS: 89076.6
FPS: 88356.5
FPS: 87107.5
FPS: 87195.5
FPS: 87312.1
FPS: 89040.6
FPS: 87849.3
FPS: 88980
FPS: 87821.3
FPS: 87171.9
FPS: 87054.1
FPS: 86757.6
FPS: 86969.7
FPS: 87310
FPS: 88195.4
FPS: 88107.1
FPS: 88481
FPS: 88388.1
FPS: 88142.8
FPS: 87895.6
FPS: 86880.8
FPS: 88525.3
FPS: 87287.8
FPS: 86887.2
FPS: 86006.7
FPS: 88455.2
FPS: 87782.3
FPS: 86270.6

[true hemlock]

seems like windows resized/minimized scores

[olive sable]

That seems more likely

[true hemlock]

(yeah minimizing also apparently activates the bug again)

[hollow spruce]

Bug was on fps calculation
(Chrono)

[true hemlock]

i wonder if this is another bug or just the effect of doing 7.2+ GHz + 5366MT/s ram

because that seem kind of too high considering that i only got about ~60% boost on windows with 7.6GHz

[olive sable]

Its most likely real???

[nocturne olive]

Linux is usually better at managing resources and has less background processes
The difference in time is also less for higher framerates

[olive sable]

Try if lowering to like 7GHz lowers it proportionally if you want to make sure i guess

[true hemlock]

fluctuated between 94K-104K

[true hemlock]

aight

[nocturne olive]

The same percentage at a higher frame rate won't result in a linear performance increase

[true hemlock]

i just need the evidence that this isn't a bug then we hit 100K officially

[nocturne olive]

It would be funny

And also the triangle is now way beyond anything I could ever hope to reach, I don't have the hardware to compete any more

[true hemlock]

overclock

[nocturne olive]

I doubt I can get much OC out of this thing with my no voltage increases overclocking

[true hemlock]

lemme go to bios for a sec, i'll set the multiplier to 70

[nocturne olive]

Especially with my low cooling headroom

[true hemlock]

69 for funny actually

[midnight sigil]

WHAT

100k fps

[true hemlock]

linux

[midnight sigil]

bro is going to last long on that leaderboard

[true hemlock]

don't worry

[midnight sigil]

ik

[true hemlock]

no i still need to figure out if its actually legit because i did so many tweaks

[midnight sigil]

okie

[nocturne olive]

Even if I somehow had magical silicon that runs 6GHz without increasing voltage, there's no way I'm beating your score
Especially considering my RAM is already maxed out at 3800

[midnight sigil]

most modern cores can run 6GHz(with turbo tech)

[flint dome]

how do you guys even adjust voltage

[midnight sigil]

aka auto OC from factory

[flint dome]

my bios has none of that

[true hemlock]

6.9GHz, 4800MT/s cl11 lemme try

[nocturne olive]

Mine are rated for 5GHz boost and usually run 4.8GHz at a high single threaded load

[true hemlock]

huh?

[hollow spruce]

Intel is

[nocturne olive]

If you're on an Intel CPU you need an OC enabled motherboard

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[flint dome]

amd lapfop

[nocturne olive]

Oh, laptops are way locked down

[hollow spruce]

I hope that Intel makes 10 ghz processor

[true hemlock]

right i forgot that 12700K only hit 5GHz

boost

thought its more than that

[nocturne olive]

That's all it's rated for

I have no clue if I have good silicon or not as I have yet to overclock it
And even when I do, I'm not planning on upping voltage

[flint dome]

can I adjust anything meaningful on it then

[nocturne olive]

Probably not much

[true hemlock]

okay i booted with 6.9GHz multiplier

4800mt/s cl11

actually

i'll do cl16 for good measure

because i feel like due to latency difference this one would actually outperform 5366MT/s cl14 somehow

[midnight sigil]

unplug the backplate auto adjust the cpu power supply

[flint dome]

yeah and go in with a shitty 3 dollar multimeter and a soldering iron

[nocturne olive]

So either way, there's 0 chance for me to compete with triangle any more, 12700K with 3800 MT/s RAM is just too weak without increasing voltage to dangerous levels

[true hemlock]

unless if you optimize somehow

[trim valve]

how does your pc not melt

[olive sable]

My ram is supposedly 16-19-19-39 but it autos to 36. Interesting

[nocturne olive]

There's no way there's something magical enough to go from 35K to 100K FPS on this system

[true hemlock]

people with 14th or 13th K with LN2 could easily beat me

[olive sable]

It did before, slight´y

[true hemlock]

97C

with an AIO

[nocturne olive]

Boil soon

[true hemlock]

Frankenstein briefcase pc

im worried about it boiling my AIO

[olive sable]

You should put the radiator side of your aio into a pool

[true hemlock]

increasing the pressure

and boom

[olive sable]

Boiling aio

[true hemlock]

its pulling good 210W ish on just 2 cores

that's why its so hot rn

because more heat density

[flint dome]

put your pc next to an aircon vent and open the case up

[olive sable]

Huh, turning off my overclocks increased performance

[nocturne olive]

That's another thing I would need to worry about when overclocking, heat
My cooler is rated for only 230W of heat and my CPU is rated for 190W at stock (though seems to only pull 125W normally), and already worst case runs 90 C
So I'm definitely somewhat heat limited

[trim valve]

my cooler is uh

:3

not rated for much at all

[olive sable]

I have an nh-d15

[flint dome]

immerse your pc in mineral oil

[true hemlock]

okay ummm

[olive sable]

Im only doing 64C so far so i have room

[true hemlock]

4800MT/s cl16

6.3GHz somehow this time

[nocturne olive]

I have whatever cheap CPU cooler that had a bigger cooling capacity than my CPU's reported heat output

[true hemlock]

its not hitting the full multiplier

[olive sable]

Seems to scale correctly assuming this is the one at 7Ghz

So the 100K was legit

[nocturne olive]

Remember that FPS is not linear

[olive sable]

This nh-d15 was only 50 bucks

[olive sable]

Ye i know

The frametimes are tho

[trim valve]

https://noctua.at/en/nh-l12s

[nocturne olive]

I forgor what mine was but probably more, but also I can't afford to replace it with something better

[trim valve]

I have this thing

[true hemlock]

i have this one 360mm AIO that was used for a year, 51 bucks

[olive sable]

Aio can be good, but i still like air

[nocturne olive]

My cooler is also air

[true hemlock]

https://www.my-valkyrie.com/products/valkyrie-jarn-360-aio-liquid-cooler?variant=51646734696777
(the white version, though)

[sage crag]

interesting, why nvk?

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

its a liveboot usb so i haven't bothered installing the proper driver

last time i installed proper nvidia driver somehow it tanked the fps

[trim valve]

ah wait I'm on the l12sx77 version

[olive sable]

Pc froze, oh no

[true hemlock]

i can't count how many times have my pc froze

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

nvk is a "proper driver"

[true hemlock]

okay my room is heating up like crazy i need to stop ocing

[sage crag]

its a relatively new open source vulkan driver for nvidia gpus

[true hemlock]

yeah

[sage crag]

unsurprising it runs well because its also mesa, like radv

[true hemlock]

somehow nvidia's actual driver tanked the fps more so

[olive sable]

What colour tho?

Black mesa?

Ill see myself out

[nocturne olive]

I'm personally on the Nvidia 570 proprietary driver

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1407026571407265803/3dgifmaker57172.gif

[true hemlock]

one last test

without overclock, overvolt, whatever

[nocturne olive]

Or was it 550

I forgor, let me check

[opaque sigil]

I'd hope it's 570

Though I guess with mint who knows

[nocturne olive]

Ok it's 550

[sage crag]

linux mint

[opaque sigil]

I'm on 580

[nocturne olive]

Highest proprietary driver version listed though

[sage crag]

im on 540 (i dont have nvidia drivers any more)

[opaque sigil]

I think it's also the stable version now as of a couple days ago

[nocturne olive]

Does it really matter that much? According to Xoda 570 sucks anyway

[opaque sigil]

Idk

[nocturne olive]

And it seemed to cause freezing on the lock screen so I just swapped to 550

[true hemlock]

that one was 6.3GHz btw (for some reason its not hitting 6.9)

[olive sable]

36432

[true hemlock]

icant

[nocturne olive]

Though it might be because it's an open-source 570 and not proprietary 570

[true hemlock]

superbox's dgpu getting beaten by llvmpipe

3 times

[nocturne olive]

How??

[sage crag]

cpu benchmark

[olive sable]

To be fair, this is at 7x6 pixels

[true hemlock]

coward, do 240x200

[sage crag]

the gpu isnt doing any work

its just a singlecore cpu bench

[olive sable]

Fine

[true hemlock]

im waiting for my machine to boot back with my base settings and 3200MT/s

for some reason it took way longer

wtf

[opaque sigil]

retraining maybe?

[olive sable]

My system is very unstable rn tho, vscode wont respond nor close

[true hemlock]

maybe, because i swapped ram back to the 4x16

[olive sable]

Oh the hole systel went

[nocturne olive]

Maybe memory overclocking corrupted something?

[true hemlock]

maybe 2x8GB training is just really quick

[olive sable]

Im sure its fine

[opaque sigil]

It does take longer for higher capacities so checks out

[true hemlock]

okay finally

[nocturne olive]

By the way did you add my silly Windows score to the list?

[true hemlock]

gimme score

[nocturne olive]

There

[true hemlock]

aight

oh hey i did beat my previous score

5.3GHz

3200MT/s

[olive sable]

Doing 240x200 on llvmpipe maxes at 18k fps for me

[true hemlock]

ah its doing 60K+

[olive sable]

Same as my 3090 basicly

[nocturne olive]

is just completely dominating the bechmark, I'm being beaten by software renderers, and I just have no chance to compete any more

[true hemlock]

for really low pixel count llvmpipe has the advantage because the AVX runs on actual CPU GHz instead of the much lower GPU clock speed

less latency too

[true hemlock]

anything for the triangle goddess

even if it means degrading my CPU

[nocturne olive]

I've got nothing more to offer myself

[true hemlock]

surely it'll last for at least 3 years

[nocturne olive]

I'm out of frames

[true hemlock]

aight so uh

i add the 100k to leaderboard?

[nocturne olive]

I guess

And might as well add my puny Windows score

[true hemlock]

or we ban extreme overclocking

because i feel its a bit unfair

[nocturne olive]

Well, overclocking sure makes things easy for you when you have such insane luck

[rough bloom]

no, that's stupid
having more/better hardware is also unfair but that's allowed

[olive sable]

Imo the competitionnshould be software based, but we ran out of possible software changes.
I think oc is the only possible way to get higher scores

[true hemlock]

although i kind of wanting to encourage some people to also start extreme overclocking to compete

[rough bloom]

only restriction I think should be one submission per category per person (purely for organizational reasons)

[olive sable]

I think we're too poor to risk killing our systems

[nocturne olive]

Not me, I can't afford it
If something in my PC breaks I'm screwed for months

[olive sable]

One per person per os

[true hemlock]

that

[olive sable]

We just want the pb

[true hemlock]

i think per cpu isn't valid

so imma remove my threadripper

[rough bloom]

ye, I already corrected it to per category

[true hemlock]

[nocturne olive]

Maybe make a miscellaneous category for funny stuff like the smart fridge and graphing calculator

[true hemlock]

belongs in linux imo

unless if its a non linux custom operating system

[nocturne olive]

I would assume the graphing calculator is not Linux

Should I even still try the triangle on Saturday once I reach the conclusion of overclocking stuff or should I just give up on it completely?

I 100% can't beat 's scores with how insane his hardware is

[rough bloom]

did you try removing all sync barriers yet or is that invalid

[olive sable]

Wdym sync barriers?

[true hemlock]

you don't have to

[rough bloom]

so there are still software gains to be had

[olive sable]

No like

[true hemlock]

oooooh

[rough bloom]

fences and semaphores

[true hemlock]

software gains

[olive sable]

Ohhh

Fences had been removed days ago

[true hemlock]

i'll wait till people started beating my score from software optimizations then i'll start competing again

[nocturne olive]

Well, I dooubt my OC score would even really be much higher than my score with my current config (somewhat OC)

[olive sable]

Semaphores im pretty sure removing those would kill the procces due to race conditions

[rough bloom]

I haven't updated my version in ages so I still had them
gave me a ~10% improvement

[rough bloom]

it does not

[olive sable]

Hmmm

[true hemlock]

god the leaderboard is so fucking chaotic

[rough bloom]

it will make the triangle flickery though

since you can see buffers that just got cleared

[olive sable]

Wait on cpu rasteriser, not waiting on semaphores is only slightly gonna kill everything

[rough bloom]

didn't test llvmpipe but it should also be fine there I think
its just always the same issue of seeing outdated and/or unfinished frames

[trim valve]

and llvmpipe seemingly runs faster here with less threads anyways

[true hemlock]

yeah the scheduler doesn't have to deal with the headache with which thread to run the AVX on because it doesn't even take much to compute

[olive sable]

Ok so

First of all i missed a fence, the one in vkquesubmit2 was still there

And removing the semaphores + that made me go to 40K fps

[true hemlock]

FUCK

WHY NOT BEFORE MY XOC

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

if bred actually beat me with that new update

going from 33K to 40K is huge

[olive sable]

Ever since i knew the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me

[nocturne olive]

Gimme something so I can compile

[olive sable]

Gimme a sec

[true hemlock]

the whole world is against me

i knew it

sadge

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

i ran outta redbull

okay

so if i calculated this right

my xoc gives me ~68% more perf on linux (i got 61K ish just now with base config)

[olive sable]

I pushed it

[true hemlock]

and around 60% on windows

you know what

imma just compete with my threadripper

[nocturne olive]

Huh

It failed to find SDL3 even though I have SDL3 installed

[olive sable]

Ok i have discovered that my dgpu gets roughly 0 fps without these semaphores

But llvmpipe get 40k

[nocturne olive]

Whuhhhh

Anyway, why doesn't this thing link?

[olive sable]

Put the dll in the project folder

[rough bloom]

yeah, you aren't really supposed to remove all sync, so stuff like this can happen
it'll be fine

the original reason I removed the fences and stuff wasn't even because of waiting for sync or anything
it was just making way too many syscalls

[nocturne olive]

libSDL3.so?

[rough bloom]

so that might be part of the improvement

[olive sable]

beta dgpu vs chad llvmpipe on 1 thread

[olive sable]

Are you on linux?

On linux it should just link

[nocturne olive]

Yes

[olive sable]

Well uh, idk then

[nocturne olive]

Well, it complains about SDL3

Even though I have it installed and have used it myself when experimenting with other stuff

Maybe it expects it to be under specifically the "SDL3" pathname somewhere

While it's actually in /usr/local/lib

[true hemlock]

llvmpipe kind of goated ngl

what's my llvmpipe score again

[olive sable]

Maybe it doesnt automatically include the right folder for you?

[rough bloom]

Mesa in general is

[nocturne olive]

The command has -lSDL3, not sure if it just doesn't know what to do if SDL3 is called something else

[true hemlock]

this is why i wanted sam to make🔺2

heavier in rendering but we all have to use avx

[olive sable]

Ok but like, the latest git pish now only works for llvmpipe. Do we fix it and qt as litle semaphores as possible, or just leave it like this?

[nocturne olive]

I want to test it first at least to see if it breaks for me too

But I need it to link first

This is how it errors out

[rough bloom]

add -L<folder with libSDL3.so> to LDFLAGS
if that doesn't work then o7 go install Nix

[rough bloom]

when in doubt, make it an ifdef

[true hemlock]

shuni the nix propagandist

[crystal sleet]

Some people and their Nix

[rough bloom]

alternatively use Docker or some other sandbox that undoes whatever Superbox did to his system but I don't think anyone made one yet

[nocturne olive]

That should be the right folder

[rough bloom]

-L not -l

[nocturne olive]

-L is worse

[olive sable]

Dont really feel like it rn

[nocturne olive]

It instead makes all SDL symbols undefined

[rough bloom]

all the other solutions seem worse
I guess you could just revert so it works on NVIDIA again and let everyone make the change locally

[true hemlock]

try pointing at SDL's lib folder

wait actually idfk how does mint packages work

found redbull on fridge

[olive sable]

If anyone wants it my fps pb is 41784.
Changing PBO enhaced 4 to BPO normal improved it slightly for some reason. I also changed back to 3600mhz ram

[nocturne olive]

The SDL3 libraries are in /usr/local/lib and it complains about not finding it

[nocturne olive]

SDL3 can't be installed with APT yet anyway

[true hemlock]

FUCK ITS EXPIRED

[olive sable]

Ill just make it a commandline option eventually

[true hemlock]

taste like shit

[rough bloom]

yeah, that's fine as long as it doesn't branch in the hot path

[olive sable]

Not rn tho i have a headache and its suddendly 4pm so im hungry

[true hemlock]

something something -llvmboost

[rough bloom]

why are you still drinking it

[olive sable]

Oh. Ye i thought i woukd do #ifdef but that only works for compiling

[true hemlock]

i didn't know it was expired till i took a sip

[olive sable]

Ill make it a compiler option

Makefile shit code

Anyways ill put my ram back in now

[true hemlock]

amd doesn't really like ram oc lmao

[nocturne olive]

Why though?

[true hemlock]

the classic

i fucking hate dealing with that

[nocturne olive]

I've already pointed it to SDL3's so file location and header location

C++ sucks

[olive sable]

Pc back tofhether yay

[true hemlock]

D:

[olive sable]

It didnt post, fuck

[nocturne olive]

When it doesn't find a lib I basically fed directly to it, there's something very wrong with it

[true hemlock]

blame sam, not c++ smh

[nocturne olive]

This is definitely the linker's fault, not Sam's

[olive sable]

It is mostly my fault probably

I have no clue how it works

[nocturne olive]

@rough bloom you got any idea?

[olive sable]

I might have put in my ram sticks switched around

They are slot dependant iirc

[true hemlock]

how

[olive sable]

Idk

Amd memory controller

[rough bloom]

aren't DDR5 traces supposed to be routed equidistant from the CPU so that it doesn't matter

[olive sable]

Wtf are these memory presets? Seems kinda high voltage

[olive sable]

I wouldnt know, i have ddr4

[rough bloom]

(applies less to 3 or 4 DIMM operation but definitely to dual channel with 2 DIMMs)

[rough bloom]

same thing just more forgiving

I think

[olive sable]

Ye, switching them worked

Immediatly booted into linux

[rough bloom]

your ram sticks are haunted

[olive sable]

Nah they're fine

It works

These are basicly brand new since i rmd'd the ones i bought 2ndhand

[rough bloom]

perhaps the machine spirit just has OCD then

[olive sable]

Its most likely the amd memory controller i think

Changing the cl from 16 to 15 immediatly crashes it, so it has no tolerance for bad latency

Im geussing them being in the wrong order fucked up the latency with 1 of them

[rough bloom]

I blame a combination of bad motherboard + slightly different tolerances in the RAM

[rough bloom]

ye, that's not really supposed to happen if the traces are the same

[olive sable]

Tomahawk x570 wifi

Mobo should be fine

[rough bloom]

I guess the memory controller could just have a slightly worse channel too

[olive sable]

It has halo

Brother bought an xbox

Massages sent in wrong order but you get the idea

This thing is enormous

[rough bloom]

run the triangle on it

[maiden geyser]

bro should try a usb-c mod

[true hemlock]

okay um

idk why engineering sample cpus aren't popular

like its seriously underrated for the price

[olive sable]

I just dont find any here

[true hemlock]

people barely talk about it, some reddit people even flame you for suggesting that you wanna try ES cpus

[olive sable]

Seems like my pc froze while i went after food

Fuck

[rough bloom]

because no official support + no official sale + no warranty + lottery

[olive sable]

I biy everything 2ndhand so i wouldnt get that anyways

[rough bloom]

it doesn't matter much for you because you have 20 CPUs or something but most people only have one or two main machines and would like them to be reliable

[true hemlock]

second hand is basically the same

hell, ES cpus usually guarantees you lottery if you know where to get

because they're actually cherrypicked

[rough bloom]

somewhat? retail CPUs have official support at least, even if second hand
lottery is also less bad, but depends on your local market I guess

[true hemlock]

i'd say es are better than retail second hand imo

[rough bloom]

"if you know where to get"
yeah, them being inaccessible is part of the issue

[true hemlock]

its a gimmick, which confuses me of why people doesn't talk much about it

[maiden geyser]

why not just buy a xeon at this point

[olive sable]

NOOOOO

[true hemlock]

uhhh

[nocturne olive]

You don't know how many he has

[olive sable]

My pc froze again, i just wanted to watch some youtube

[nocturne olive]

Did you increase some voltage on it?

Maybe you degraded some component by choosing a high voltage

[olive sable]

This is all on auto now

Like it was before i did oc

[maiden geyser]

yt pfp leaked

[nocturne olive]

Voltage increases can cause permanent damage

[olive sable]

Im fine with that lol

Its a bionicle

[midnight sigil]

zoding zoding zoding goes hard

[nocturne olive]

You did show your RAM profiles having really high voltages, correct? Maybe you selected one of those by accident and now your RAM is permanently damaged

[olive sable]

Thanks girefox, i didnt notice

The entire pc is fucked bwaa

[rough bloom]

dust particle landed in slot 2, slightly increasing resistance, it's over

I hope the PC lives but it would be funny if it died to the triangle

[olive sable]

Increasing voltage till it works again i guess

[nocturne olive]

Maybe don't go beyond 1.4V

Just to be safe

[olive sable]

Im at 1.38 now, and it seems fine

[nocturne olive]

1.4-1,5V is I believe around the max you're recommended to run on a daily drive machine

[rough bloom]

what's the current clock speed and what are your DIMMs rated for?

(assuming you didn't touch latencies)

[olive sable]

Im running at 4x16 3600 T1 16-19-19-19-39
And its rated for that except idk about the T1

[rough bloom]

might be easier to go slightly below that to 3400 MT/s or something because you're using 4 DIMMs
but yeah try the voltage thing first if there's still headroom

[olive sable]

It seems to be working fine rn at 1.38v

[rough bloom]

oh yeah, might want to increase SoC voltage a bit above default too if you're still having issues

[olive sable]

No issues unless the yt video not loading is due to ram

Oh it might actually be, firefox briefly said not responding

Hmm

[true hemlock]

i went to look into reddit and forums and figured out why ES chips are never popular (and this unpopularity is good for me tbh)

[sage crag]

silksong september 4

[true hemlock]

some people especially on reddit sometimes flames you with the "these ES chips are property of intel and they can and will force you to return legally"

[opaque sigil]

I'll believe it when I can play it

[sage crag]

https://youtu.be/6XGeJwsUP9c

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[opaque sigil]

Don't make me repeat myself

[olive sable]

I never played hollow knoght

And i dont really plan on playing it either tbh

[opaque sigil]

i need to finish the game

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-dance-dancing-hornet-vessel-gif-26044531

[true hemlock]

even going as far as "if you're buying es you're participating in illegal shit" lmao

[rough bloom]

it's one of the first things that comes up, yeah
it's obviously false but that + the Intel Confidential label can certainly scare people

[true hemlock]

its funny to read

especially when you know that intel obviously don't give any fuck about es being sold after they released the actual product lol

[olive sable]

You see, i dont get what this means

[true hemlock]

you know what, i prefer redditors have no life and constantly flames you into thinking ES is always bad

makes them unpopular, and im the one winning it all

[olive sable]

Setting soc voltage to 1.05v seems to have fixed everything

[rough bloom]

I do think it's a worse option than retail
but not because it's illegal

[olive sable]

It is?

[true hemlock]

it is worse, because you gotta know what are you doing

its not user friendly im telling you

you need to research about the revision/sample versions too

some es can look like the same, but from experience even one revision apart is like huge difference lol

[opaque sigil]

they range from very early version that is very broken to validation sample that is identical to the final product and has no bugs

[olive sable]

Ok but what is illegal about it?

[opaque sigil]

buying them? nothing to my knowledge

[true hemlock]

the 13900 ES1 and ES2 has tiny difference in pricing but ES2 is way closer to retail

[true hemlock]

nah its just people freaking out or redditors with no life thinking they know legal shit

[opaque sigil]

selling them is a different story, though intel generally doesn't care if you sell one after the product has launched

[true hemlock]

that

[rough bloom]

I think you misunderstood
it's not bad because it's illegal because it's just not illegal

[olive sable]

Ohh

Ye i forgot es went on market before the product

[true hemlock]

i found someone said this

Since ES chips are the property of/owned by the manufacturer you cannot legally buy or sell one. If you happen to have one just remember the manufacturer has the right to demand the return of their property at any time.

which is obviously not true lol

[rough bloom]

you could potentially illegally obtain one if you stole them from Intel or something but that's not your problem if you buy from some marketplace

[rough bloom]

I'm not actually sure about the legality of that, especially internationally
but it's not like Intel will go and do that anyway, they don't even know who has a sample

[trim valve]

bust out the IME to phone home on every engineering chip

[true hemlock]

because i buy it from a marketplace, and i live in Australia, i legally own it and intel also technically couldn't do anything about it

[maiden geyser]

The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 175. Acquisition or sale of property knowingly obtained by criminal means

[true hemlock]

im Australian

[rough bloom]

you should study law

[maiden geyser]

should be it

[olive sable]

Where i live they mostly go after sellers of sub-legal things. Like piracy and narcotics you're probably fine

[true hemlock]

i don't think intel would care either lol

[olive sable]

Its not "legal", but you dont get punished for it

[olive sable]

Fair

[rough bloom]

yeah, financially it's not really different to them than any other second-hand sale

which they probably don't like either but they can't stop it

it would matter if there was a huge volume of ES CPUs on the market but there just isn't

[true hemlock]

is that also why its unpopular

[rough bloom]

definitely part of it

[olive sable]

Most people dont even know there are ES

[rough bloom]

I can just buy a retail CPU from anywhere, for an ES I'd have to look around quite a lot

[true hemlock]

huh i thought they're pretty common though

[midnight sigil]

https://youtube.com/shorts/zs83HD18Uv8

this is so real

[rough bloom]

they're not impossible to find or anything
they're just mostly not ones you'd actually want to buy

the best market for this kind of stuff seems to be in China
you can just get anything there

(anything except high-end SXM NVIDIA GPUs but who cares)

[midnight sigil]

there is an article about an engineer getting arrested for selling ES chips

source: trust me or search

[opaque sigil]

emphasis on selling

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

yeah, if you signed an agreement preventing you from selling them then maybe don't sell them

[true hemlock]

i have a friend that comes directly from china and he literally shows me a really not well known sites in the chinese market that is full of es models lol

but i'd say myself, its not the best place to get ES

unless if you're lucky

personally i got mine from aliexpress, i got elvyn's 7950x es from my dealer

[rough bloom]

sadly anything from China is automatically not a deal for me because of tax + shipping

[true hemlock]

rip

[true hemlock]

i can confirm that the 7950x i got can't even be found anywhere on the chinese market though, its like one of the newest revision (qualified sample?)

the one on the market is usually one rev older

actually, the actual reason why es models are so unpopular is also partly because none of the big ai models even know much about them

chatgpt didn't know the difference between Q0L4 vs Q4D8

[midnight sigil]

who cares about NDA if I don't work there anymore

[true hemlock]

a lil fun fact

i have one NDA bind on me

from nvidia

[glass flower]

i probably have a couple nda's... that i forgot from playtests

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

mine isn't from a playtest

straight up engineering sample product

[nocturne olive]

Whuhhhh

[true hemlock]

yeah

one of nvidia's 50 series ES

[midnight sigil]

bro forgot about his legal agreements

[true hemlock]

i think i've talked about it in another server though?

i think you were there when i talked about it

[nocturne olive]

I don't remember anything like that

[glass flower]

i didn't even read them. i just pressed accept and moved on.. i read the first one... after the 8th one or so you just tend to skip over them

[true hemlock]

but yeah, i can only talk about it, can't show pictures or something because NDA

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

[midnight sigil]

you skip something that can potentially put you in jail like skipping Discord ToS

[nocturne olive]

just randomly gets stuff from random places and meanwhile I'm completely broke and in need of stuff

[glass flower]

i don't plan to talk about them therefore i have nothing to fear

[rough bloom]

surely nobody ever violates Discord ToS

[true hemlock]

[rough bloom]

[midnight sigil]

I actually have a Malaysian friend who read entire Discord ToS on his Twitch stream

I trained an TTS on it, was funny

lost the model tho