programming

[opaque sigil]

average nix gc moment

[sage crag]

you can also nix-store --gc

or nix-store --optimise

or something

both probably

[rare bramble]

shouldnt that just be an automated task?

[opaque sigil]

you can make it one yes

[amber fractal]

You can set it as such, it just doesn't by default

[sage crag]

im gonna be mean

but there is a nix wiki

[opaque sigil]

2 in fact

[sage crag]

i still dont know which one to use

https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Storage_optimization

[rare bramble]

I mean i think it would be reasonable to even just ask if you want the GC to run once a week or smthing

[sage crag]

.

[rare bramble]

theres probably lots of people with some 100gb of garbage just because they are unaware of the gc, not even knowing of the option

[sage crag]

i really doubt this user actually exists

[karmic birch]

Like if you're just watching this chat

[sage crag]

anyone using nix is gonna know that nix has a thing called a "store"

if it's too large, you are gonna search for ways to make it smaller on the documentation, which is freely and easily available

[rigid snow]

lurkers aren't supposed to speak

you're not a lurker now

[sage crag]

if you dont, then really you have just decided to ignore the problem

[amber fractal]

Exactly

[amber fractal]

Lurkers should triangle

[sage crag]

🔺🔻🔺🔻🔺🔻

[trim valve]

curious

gamemode doesn't work 😭

I don't have the command so clearly I have goofed somewhere

but I do have the other gamemode commands

[hexed grove]

okay so i need to make a dll shim on 9x to replace some syscalls

[trim valve]

oop

[hexed grove]

according to microsoft system32 always loads first

but to everywhere else apparently it says that placing a dll smack dab in the middle of the directory should work

[trim valve]

@sage crag not much better

[sage crag]

70k

[sage crag]

try with the igpu though?

[worldly panther]

every part of my soul screams at me that this is a horrible idea
but I wanna see what happens, so go for it

[hexed grove]

i wanna try it with wine first to test so i dont go through the trouble of sending it into a vm if it doesnt work

but i guess ill just

do it

[worldly panther]

fair

[warped narwhal]

man, you guys are making my 30k fps score look just bad

[rare bramble]

I thought about it and I still think that there are plenty of people who dont know about it. one anecdote is that lots of people are running their 144hz (or higher) monitor at 60hz because they are unaware of the option to set it to 144hz and just expect it to be that way automatically. same with people not overclocking ram / enabling XMP, just running at base speed

[amber fractal]

Trying llvmpipe lol

8k

[trim valve]

8.9k here

[rare bramble]

lots of people just explect the default behavior to be good and only need modification if their usecase is different from the expected, where as the options expect the user to tinker with them regardless of the usecase, so there is a mismatch in expectations

[sage crag]

its completely non-analagous though. buying a pc with components, and buying a monitor and plugging it in, is a trivial action. it doesnt inform you that there is a manual either. nor does one need any level of expertise to set it up.

people who use nix configure their system manually in a programming language. there is no way around doing that, that is literally the point.

[trim valve]

om

[sage crag]

that's more than my

more than my igpu

by 5k fps

[amber fractal]

@true hemlock We love llvmpipe

[trim valve]

try setting LP_NUM_THREADS wayyyy lower

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[trim valve]

3 seems to be optimal for me

who would've guessed that 32 threads are bad at rendering a small triangle very fast

[tender river]

you can enable autohardlinking

[sage crag]

yeh

nix.settings.auto-optimise-store = true;

[tender river]

old wiki

wiki.nixos.org

new wiki

old wiki rejects vpn ips

[sage crag]

[tender river]

i have a funny idea

[sage crag]

its so sad that our team is rank decaying

[amber fractal]

Wait, reducing resolution has a benefit here

[tender river]

@mkrek please

[sage crag]

@ninerik

i wonder aside from bmc who is here

veedol isnt even in the team sadgi

[tender river]

fake fan

[sage crag]

damn vedal used to be a 5 digit

take me to the time when 3kpp was enough for top 75k

[amber fractal]

Seems like 32 is a good size

Gamba on cpu scheduling from 20k to 25k

[trim valve]

@amber fractal are you still doing llvmpipe shenanigans?

[amber fractal]

It's funny

[trim valve]

how many threads are you using?

[amber fractal]

1

[trim valve]

fair

[amber fractal]

Anything else was slower

[trim valve]

somehow 3 was fastest for me

[amber fractal]

Try window size 32x32

Granted KDE's titlebar does not like that small of a window

[tender river]

[trim valve]

last I checked I couldn't resize it

plus I've already shut my pc down 😭

[amber fractal]

Fair

[amber fractal]

src/common_structs.hpp is where that info lives

[trim valve]

ok I count modifying the source code as not part of the challenge 😭

[amber fractal]

It was explicitly allowed by sam

[trim valve]

[amber fractal]

We had memes of 2048 frames in flight

Quack tuned everything he could for his spot

I personally have best luck with 6 instead of 7

[trim valve]

I uh

didn't tune anything 😭

[tender river]

[glad path]

i modified the code quite a lot to get my 22k fps

i might add

uh

yeah a lot

[sage crag]

[hollow spruce]

Road map
Reached (7%)

[hollow spruce]

What

[tender river]

[olive sable]

hello i am still alive

mostly, i havent eaten in 16 hours

welp, imma eat

[jagged turtle]

rust fans rn:

[true hemlock]

!triangleupdatelinux 1,70854

[hidden ravine]

Updated entry "owobred" (69767 -> 70854)

[true hemlock]

@umbral thorn can you please change the bot pfp 😭 🥀 💔

i should probably try my triangle on wayland

[midnight sigil]

he should stay at that number ngl

[olive sable]

this is actually petty cool

its a shame how inaccurate it is

it takes a minute to write it in a way it recognises the word

[midnight sigil]

is it fair if I modify my FPS counter mechanism

[true hemlock]

changing the type or something should be fine as long as it shows the accurate fps numbers (you do not change the multiplier.)

i think we need a way to validate this case so people don't cheat with modifying that lol

[olive sable]

true

Just make sure its acurate

Integer devision does not count as accurate I think

[midnight sigil]

you have -ffast-math anyways

nothing is accurate

[olive sable]

i guess

[midnight sigil]

it is accurate

[olive sable]

It just needs to be accurate to a certain degree

[midnight sigil]

it rounds toward 0

[olive sable]

I guess its fine then

[midnight sigil]

👍

I reduced 3 cpu clocks(in main thread)

probably more without the lib calling idk

[olive sable]

IMO needs to be at least accurate till the tens place. The ones place doesn't matter too much

[amber fractal]

Huge tbh

For optimising I'd like to be in the hundreds but otherwise I would personally be fine with only thousands

Regardless, rules are rules

[midnight sigil]

line

[olive sable]

Having the tens not be acurate would be fine if we didnt have people with only 300fps

[olive sable]

Ah you changed the rasteriser settings

Thats fine

[midnight sigil]

ye

:O

100fps boost

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

can I set rasterizerDiscardEnable = true so it doesn't draw anything

it still process the stuff, it's just not outputting stuff into the buffer

meh that lose the fun

[olive sable]

No

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

My personal edit is removing the atomic factor of the frame count by simply never resetting it.

Taking one from rust, only one mutable reference.

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Sure the frame timer will explode, but it'll take awhile

[olive sable]

idk how you'd make that work then tho

unless you keep a copy in the main thread thats one loop behind and you comapre the diffrence

[amber fractal]

That's the attempt I went with

The code is not liking me trying to switch out of floating math so I still need to apply that

I swear, if only I could guarantee that the fps got called every second

[stark needle]

[amber fractal]

Letting that run to see if it is off ever

frametime does always seem to be 1000 unless you are literally quitting the app.

nvm

Some cases do exist

Highest I've seen is 1004 out of 1000

That one attempt was lucky

Shame as any amount off is over the limit. So that's one that we'll have to eat.

[midnight sigil]

the program cannot be faster now

it's hardware capped

there's no way you need that many resources to render 6x7 pixels

2 pixels and still capped 28k

it's cpu capped

rdtgyuhjiopk

[olive sable]

yep

evenat 1080p is also pretty much cpu capped

but you just remove a microsecond of the cpu waiting at smaller res

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

Could you simply not be late?

by 1ms

Granted it is less than it was before

If this stops being late then no need to divide and mutiply

That's an ugly fix but it technically works

[amber fractal]

basing off of this, moving the SDL_Delay into the brackets and doing 999ms instead of 1000ms

Essentially busy waiting until 999ms becomes 1000ms

@olive sable Jank code improvement

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

I could check == instead of >= but CBA

[olive sable]

im not sure if its actually faster since the outside of the loop executes a lot more now, but it might be

[amber fractal]

At the very least it combines the other changes

I guess weighing a multiply and divide over busy waiting

I've gotten better results personally

[sonic oriole]

This chat is so smart I’m trying to understand coding/programming but it’s been way to hard for me to understanding

[amber fractal]

The first step is to understand the language and concepts your working with. Programming is very different to reality no matter what level your at. (I'm looking at you JS)

[amber fractal]

Right now it is punishing being on time, Ideally it'd not be punished at all and just make it.

[olive sable]

lets do the math

if we're at 999ms or 1001ms, we get an error margine of how much?

0.999000999 till 1.001001001 % accurate

[amber fractal]

before lowering, I saw only 1001 after implementing fast math

[olive sable]

ye

[amber fractal]

so that case was either 1000 or 1001

before fast math it was 1000 - 1004

fast math being caibi's changes

[olive sable]

70K with that error margin gives us 69930.06993 till 70070.07007

which is fine

i think

[midnight sigil]

is the current threads being hyper-threaded

[olive sable]

probably, idk

[midnight sigil]

I'm considering to turn off hyper-threading and see if that changes performance

[amber fractal]

Depends on the user, I have hyperthreading disabled by default and quack said it increased theirs

[olive sable]

it should, but idk if you can change that in the code, you'd have to turn of hyperthreading in the bios probably

[midnight sigil]

yea it's in bios

[violet sand]

[amber fractal]

Thing I'm wondering is the more optimized the fps calculator gets. The less needed the 999u over 1000u is needed

[olive sable]

if google is correect hyperthreadign on gives about 80-90% the performance for single-threaded programs as hyperthreading off does

[amber fractal]

So eventually we won't even need any checks

and set 999u back to 1000u

[olive sable]

i think just do delay 1000U and we'll accept the error margin

not printing it should help too

maybe 999u, since the fps stuff does take time but im not sure

[amber fractal]

That's my reasoning for including it

If 1000u exists, the if check also pretty much is redundant

[olive sable]

actually, since we're jsut gonna be delayign by the same amount each time we wont have to do get ticks

which was one of the more expensive functions

i think jsut do 1000u

[amber fractal]

Begone if statement

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

By removing it we are making it more accurate

Classic accuracy check making it less accurate

[violet sand]

wat is 1000u if u don't mind me asking?

[amber fractal]

In this case 1000ms

No longer doing 999ms and busy waiting for 1000ms now

[violet sand]

At your point, it should change it as long as u have as little background tasks running as possible I belive

[amber fractal]

The windows install has crashed 3x due to how much was removed from the OS

[nocturne olive]

How does your software renderer beat my dGPU???

[violet sand]

Speed of light being slow

takes time to transfer mem. from CPU to GPU.
If u do CPU rendering less distance the electrons need to travel

[olive sable]

electrons dont move at the speed of light

c has nothing to do with this

[violet sand]

insert pepecrying emote here

[olive sable]

[violet sand]

thank u

Idk electracity is hard, I tried to understand it multiple times, and never did. It is magic to me to this day

[midnight sigil]

5+ times, actually

[amber fractal]

Alright let me push this to a repo @midnight sigil is it alright if I upstream your patchset?

Mine pretty much relies on yours existing

[olive sable]

just send a pr maybe

the better math should be in the main imo

[amber fractal]

Still need to ask, otherwise the fps counter would take too long and mine wouldn't be accurate

[true hemlock]

🔺

[amber fractal]

Well granted the only thing left is setting fps to a uint

[midnight sigil]

ye

[amber fractal]

tysm

[midnight sigil]

I'm back from overclocking

hope my cpu won't fry

POST is taking long mhm

it boots at least

[amber fractal]

Small performance improvement soon mhm

[midnight sigil]

booted into my ultra mini os as well

[nocturne olive]

While you were away:

• FPS calculator math improvement
• My 4070Ti got beaten by a software renderer

[olive sable]

there is a command to put your cpu at max power in linux, but that made my poor 5950x do 5.1GHz at idle, and still only 4.6GHz when runnign the triangle and the same fps

so i stopped doing that

[nocturne olive]

Probably can't sustain full speed under multicore load

[amber fractal]

I just started disabling cores

[midnight sigil]

disable all e cores

intel turbo is

I should make it consistently 5.4GHz

[amber fractal]

I actually disabled p cores and left e cores

power limited moment

More like some of each

[midnight sigil]

bruh

my version runs on my main os

but not my mini os

[amber fractal]

@olive sable sent

[olive sable]

okay

[amber fractal]

I was so tempted to add the nix shell as well

But nah

[olive sable]

done

[amber fractal]

I elped

[midnight sigil]

no way

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

I hit 33k

hold on let me kill more processes

[olive sable]

caibi added and removed a singular line of code

oh ye that was the leaderboard update

[nocturne olive]

And account is just a bot

[olive sable]

yep

[midnight sigil]

I can pr mine later

[amber fractal]

I'll say it was the one line that I had left from their patchset

[midnight sigil]

I did some changes in vk_frames.cpp

removed alpha channels and shit

[olive sable]

makes sense

we're only using red

[amber fractal]

R8 colorspace moment

[midnight sigil]

color has to be a vec3 it seems, so I can't disable write for GB

[olive sable]

we should just do R1. its either red or it isnt

[midnight sigil]

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how much it would take for the triangle to run entirely in the CPU's L1 cache

[midnight sigil]

you can't

dynamic linking would drag the speed down anyways

[amber fractal]

I removed more lines than I added so at least more of it is there now

[midnight sigil]

dlls are too big to fit

[olive sable]

the very fact we have to use a graphics api means you're already filling L1, L2 and L3

vulkan takes like half a gig

[nocturne olive]

Just wait until someone with one of those CPUs with 1,1GB of cache comes and beats us all

[trim valve]

computer go brr

[amber fractal]

I swear there was a site for colorspaces, maybe that was opengl tho

[rough bloom]

L1 is probably too small
L2 maybe
I think it should already fit in L3

[rough bloom]

It's fine, we're only considering the hot path, not the whole stack

[amber fractal]

I see an R8, no packed versions tho

[olive sable]

VK_FORMAT_R8_UINT might work

[amber fractal]

https://docs.vulkan.org/spec/latest/chapters/formats.html#VkFormat yeah

Want to look for packed ones tho

[amber fractal]

9-15 are R8

yep nothing, if we need packing. One could just pack R8

[true hemlock]

wait how do you do software rendering again

[nocturne olive]

LLVMPIPE

[olive sable]

ye

i dont have that so i cant test it

[amber fractal]

It does exist in your repos

I'd know as I saw it while testing

[amber fractal]

You may have to change the thread count

[amber fractal]

.

I had luck with 1, bred had luck with 3

[olive sable]

there is this now

should i just change it to lu?

[amber fractal]

I'd switch to lu and maybe switch the frame counter to the 64 bit fast version, if there is a fast one?

Not my original code

[midnight sigil]

!trianglewindw

[hidden ravine]

Windows Leaderboard:

1. 32024 by Quack on Tiny 10, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
2. 29250 by Caibi on Windows 10(19045.2965; AtlasOS 0.3.2), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
3. 22800 by iwbtvb on Windows 11, i9-12900KF + RTX 3090
4. 17118 by Fridge on Windows 10, Ryzen 7 9700X + RTX 3070 TI
5. 13531 by Vanyilla on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RTX 4090
6. 11000 by Sam on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 3090
7. 10032 by owobred on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
8. 0 by Adesi on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 4080
9. 0 by Quack on Windows 10, Threadripper 3990X 64C + TITAN V

[amber fractal]

33k is huge on this board

[olive sable]

im changing the event handler code too

[midnight sigil]

who said I only got 33k

[amber fractal]

Quack be like:

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[olive sable]

aight i put in a faster event handler

[jagged turtle]

sam how's your fast shit going

[olive sable]

well its fast

on my pc i get 18K fps still, but we have some here doin g60K

[amber fractal]

well 69k

[olive sable]

i cant get llvmpipe to work, its jsut not on my system

[amber fractal]

Got to install it

[rough bloom]

have you installed Mesa yet

[olive sable]

the only available gpu is the 3090

idk

[rough bloom]

install Mesa

[amber fractal]

I believe arch has a separate package for it

[jagged turtle]

I want to try and figure out how to do the opposite now (obviously crashing is considered cheating)

[olive sable]

as litle fps as possible?

[jagged turtle]

yes

[amber fractal]

Gotta lose to samsung smart fridge

[jagged turtle]

without:

1. 0fps
2. crashing

0fps is quite easy but it also turns into spf

[olive sable]

the real solution is to jsut not render anything

[jagged turtle]

crashing obviously cannot count

[olive sable]

if you want it to technically be a working renderer, but its jsut slow

[jagged turtle]

just run the most inefficient checks possible

[amber fractal]

We are cpu bound anyways, so 1mhz vm could also work

[olive sable]

then make your framebuffers 32K x 32K, put some really expensive shaders in there, render millions of objects, and limit your pc's power and amount of cores

[jagged turtle]

true

[olive sable]

tbh as litle fps as possible is easy, gettign a high amount is hard

[jagged turtle]

thats why I'm doing opposite direction

bc I'm stupid

[amber fractal]

We are only making your life harder as we continue to improve the codebase

[jagged turtle]

where's the repo btw

[olive sable]

https://github.com/samvanmaele/very-fast-but-very-bad-code-vulkan

[midnight sigil]

!triangleaddwindows caibi,34447,Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified),i7-14700F,RTX 4060,2x16GB DDR5-6600 @ 6600MT/s C32

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "s caibi | 34447 | Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified) | i7-14700F | RTX 4060 | 2x16GB DDR5-6600 @ 6600MT/s C32 | "

[midnight sigil]

!trianglewindw

[hidden ravine]

Windows Leaderboard:

1. 32024 by Quack on Tiny 10, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
2. 29250 by Caibi on Windows 10(19045.2965; AtlasOS 0.3.2), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
3. 22800 by iwbtvb on Windows 11, i9-12900KF + RTX 3090
4. 17118 by Fridge on Windows 10, Ryzen 7 9700X + RTX 3070 TI
5. 13531 by Vanyilla on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RTX 4090
6. 11000 by Sam on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 3090
7. 10032 by owobred on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
8. 0 by Adesi on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 4080
9. 0 by Quack on Windows 10, Threadripper 3990X 64C + TITAN V

[midnight sigil]

buh?

[amber fractal]

er

[olive sable]

erm

[midnight sigil]

erm

[olive sable]

i see no gitpush from the bot

it broke

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

!triangleaddwindws caibi,34447,Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified),i7-14700F,RTX 4060,2x16GB DDR5-6600 @ 6600MT/s C32

[hidden ravine]

No access.

[amber fractal]

bwaa

[jagged turtle]

nice one

[amber fractal]

Thought I'd check because some commands have a typo

[midnight sigil]

OH

it's supposed to be !triangleaddwindw

[jagged turtle]

!trianglewindw

[hidden ravine]

Windows Leaderboard:

1. 32024 by Quack on Tiny 10, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
2. 29250 by Caibi on Windows 10(19045.2965; AtlasOS 0.3.2), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
3. 22800 by iwbtvb on Windows 11, i9-12900KF + RTX 3090
4. 17118 by Fridge on Windows 10, Ryzen 7 9700X + RTX 3070 TI
5. 13531 by Vanyilla on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RTX 4090
6. 11000 by Sam on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 3090
7. 10032 by owobred on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
8. 0 by Adesi on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 4080
9. 0 by Quack on Windows 10, Threadripper 3990X 64C + TITAN V

[midnight sigil]

I'm on the linux leaderboard now

[olive sable]

oh lmao

[midnight sigil]

!trianglelinux

[hidden ravine]

Linux Leaderboard:

1. 70854 by owobred on NixOS, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
2. 55272 by Quack on NixOS, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
3. 36036 by Iggly on NixOS, i7-1260P + Xe Graphics (integrated)
4. 35600 by superbox on Mint, i7-12700K + RTX 4070 Ti
5. 34447 by s caibi on Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
6. 32100 by Semicolon on Arch, Ryzen 9 5950x + RX 6800 XT
7. 30573 by Iggly on CachyOS, Z1 Extreme + AMD Phoenix
8. 27158 by Shuni on NixOS, Ryzen 9 7950X + AMD Raphael (integrated)
9. 26364 by konii on NixOS, Ryzen 5 7600 + AMD Raphael (integrated)
10. 22809 by Prism on Custom, HP Prime G2 RevD + (Graphing Calculator)
11. 18230 by Sam on CachyOS, Ryzen 9 5950x + RTX 3090
12. 17000 by toast on NixOS, Ryzen 9 5900x + RTX 5070 Ti
13. 13768 by Sqbika on NixOS, Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 9060 XT
14. 13337 by Sqbika on NixOS, i7-9750H + GTX 1650M
15. 13037 by Assist on CachyOS, i3-8100U + UHD 620
16. 9458 by unkomp on Arch, +
17. 672 by Quack on TizenOS, Quad core ARM cortex? (Samsung Smart Fridge) + Mali GPU
18. 0 by Elvyn on NixOS, Ryzen 9 7950X ES + RTX 3080

[midnight sigil]

LAMO

[amber fractal]

[jagged turtle]

so is this what you all do in your free time

[midnight sigil]

!trianglerem 5

[hidden ravine]

No access.

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

!triangleremlinux 5

[hidden ravine]

Removed entry "s caibi | 34447 | Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified) | i7-14700F | RTX 4060 | 2x16GB DDR5-6600 @ 6600MT/s C32 | "

[olive sable]

!trianglepush

[midnight sigil]

!triangleaddwindw caibi,34447,Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified),i7-14700F,RTX 4060,2x16GB DDR5-6600 @ 6600MT/s C32

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "caibi | 34447 | Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified) | i7-14700F | RTX 4060 | 2x16GB DDR5-6600 @ 6600MT/s C32 | "

[midnight sigil]

!trianglewindw

[hidden ravine]

Windows Leaderboard:

1. 34447 by caibi on Windows 10(19044.3324; Tiny10-Modified), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
2. 32024 by Quack on Tiny 10, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
3. 29250 by Caibi on Windows 10(19045.2965; AtlasOS 0.3.2), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
4. 22800 by iwbtvb on Windows 11, i9-12900KF + RTX 3090
5. 17118 by Fridge on Windows 10, Ryzen 7 9700X + RTX 3070 TI
6. 13531 by Vanyilla on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RTX 4090
7. 11000 by Sam on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 3090
8. 10032 by owobred on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
9. 0 by Adesi on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 4080
10. 0 by Quack on Windows 10, Threadripper 3990X 64C + TITAN V

[midnight sigil]

domination

[amber fractal]

git is broken as usual

[olive sable]

the mods are gonan hate us if we keep filling chat with this

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

They already don't like it

[olive sable]

i need to do push everytime it changes and we want it in git

!trianglepush

[olive sable]

did they say so?

[amber fractal]

Took a bit to update nvm

[midnight sigil]

we can move to #bot-channel np

[amber fractal]

I know vani made a comment on self botting, not sure if exactly that tho

[olive sable]

ye thats fair

mods ping me or quack if we need to shut it down

actually ping both probably

[true hemlock]

#programming behavior

[olive sable]

annoying neurocord mods since 2023

[amber fractal]

Quack lost the windows leaderboard

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

im going to retake both tonight

[olive sable]

well, i installed mesa now so time to reboot

programming has moved from a mostly ai focussed chat to le triangle

[amber fractal]

A healthy evolution

Because AI is bad (most of the time)

[rough bloom]

I already ignored it
self-bots are annoying

[true hemlock]

fuck it, im going to use debian

[jagged turtle]

T R I A N G L E

[true hemlock]

also i figured out how to unlock my 13900

[olive sable]

Wdym? Can you block an accounts messages?

[amber fractal]

Yep

[olive sable]

Interesting

[true hemlock]

i will retake what's rightful to me

[olive sable]

im not gonna ignore it, but i hope people jsut wont spam it

[amber fractal]

There are no sections missing (real)

[midnight sigil]

should I publish my code for validation

[true hemlock]

im going to add cooldown

[true hemlock]

i just got my new monitor

imma lock in

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Imagine losing your monitors to triangle

[midnight sigil]

smh don't omegaLUL me

[amber fractal]

I'd say up to you

at the same time I can't compete for first place

[olive sable]

i shoudl add easyeffects to my startup programs

otherwise my ausio is always set 6Db too loud

[amber fractal]

deepfried_vineboom.sfx

[true hemlock]

i'll get obs on my debian to also prove i didn't change the fps counter

[olive sable]

i actually put the audio -6dB so i have more bass lmao

[true hemlock]

just incase if i got insane numbers

[olive sable]

obs probably obliterates your fps tho

[amber fractal]

Was about to say

[true hemlock]

oh

[olive sable]

just take a picture or something i dont care

[true hemlock]

bye bye nixos, hello debian

[midnight sigil]

just to avoid suspicion of me cheating

[midnight sigil]

you should use capture cards

[true hemlock]

okay so

[olive sable]

ok i managed to get llvmpipe, lemme see the fps

[true hemlock]

single core maxed out only pull like 40-50W

[olive sable]

thats a lot tho

[true hemlock]

and my cooler can handle 200+ W

imma do extreme overclocking

hope my CPU survives

[midnight sigil]

bro is going for 40k skip

[jaunty arch]

[true hemlock]

nah

idc about windows

[true hemlock]

try not to resize

just run and hover to taskbar to see fps

[olive sable]

managed to get llvmpipe working, only 6K fps tho. yall said there was some magic comamnd with threads?

[true hemlock]

lemme also switch GPU

maybe to my 4090 idk

won't fit in the briefcase

but i have a riser

[olive sable]

4090 is gonna obliterate us

[true hemlock]

4 cans of redbull ready

wait fuck it

i'll also switch to my AIO

[nocturne olive]

Resizing the window is banned as it deletes the Vulkan context and stops rendering anything

[true hemlock]

cursed briefcase moment

[olive sable]

huh, the magic command does work, i get 16K fps on llvmpipe with LP_NUM_THREADS=3 make run -j ARGS="--use-igpu"

[true hemlock]

have y'all seen this amalgamation before

imma do this shit again

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

debian + 13900 ES overclocked
then if im not satisfied im switching to a 4090

you know what fuck it burn that 13900 i need more numbers i can always buy another

[olive sable]

now that im rendering on cpu, changing the resolution would surely matter a lot more

[true hemlock]

make sure it fits avx vector size

[olive sable]

idk what the sizes for that are

[true hemlock]

what's your cpu again

[olive sable]

but at 10x10 pixels im getting 20K fps

[olive sable]

5950x

[true hemlock]

avx2 hmm

256 bit

try 8x8 pixels

if it doesn't increase much

[olive sable]

20K still

[true hemlock]

4x4 because it might be running off 64 bit(?)

[olive sable]

ok so while 4x4 does increase the fps to 21K, it breaks the window

[true hemlock]

does that count for the score

[olive sable]

from my experience on my install of hyprland, if a window is 5 pixels wide or less in any direction it jsut breaks and becomes 720p

[olive sable]

imo no

the triangle needs to be visible

and im just getting a black window

[amber fractal]

6x7 was the right call imo

[olive sable]

6x6 is the min amount of pixels i can render and seems to be the fastest

im getting 21600 FPS

[true hemlock]

🔺 still visible?

[olive sable]

kinda

[true hemlock]

imma consider that valid ngl

[midnight sigil]

I use 7x6

[olive sable]

i dragged the window next to the counter, its the glowing thingy

[midnight sigil]

or 6x7

waves

triangles

[true hemlock]

Triangle 2

[olive sable]

le trianlge

[midnight sigil]

smol

[true hemlock]

[midnight sigil]

let me try on a laptop with igpu

[true hemlock]

aight my cpu can do 6.7GHz sustained

[nocturne olive]

Yep, there sure is a triangle there

[nocturne olive]

WHuhh

On stock voltage?

[hollow spruce]

I can go up to 9 ghz in my Intel processor

[true hemlock]

LN2?

[hollow spruce]

Yep

[olive sable]

22187

[hollow spruce]

First i will coat Waterproofing

[true hemlock]

1.42v

[karmic birch]

My FX runs at 5.5GHz

[amber fractal]

For the lols I was searching for how much a tsmc wafer was. $20k USD for high end 3nm.
If it stays at that price that is.
28nm wafers seem interesting tho, I've seen 2-5k depending on the manufacturer. Don't ask me how this affects our triangle endeavors but decided to look it up.

[nocturne olive]

That seems a bit high
Don't burn your ES CPU

[true hemlock]

im not joking when i tell you that they actually handpicked just really tiny volume of samples when making the es

which means that they really picked out the best ones

so its no surprise that ES can sometimes outperform the actual retail products

engineering sample cpu as your main daily driver is seriously underrated.

[hollow spruce]

I think vedal is training from discord

[amber fractal]

Only issue is to be within the rules, one would have to make their custom chip vulkan compatiable

[nocturne olive]

And what's the evidence?

[amber fractal]

[true hemlock]

i have a 28nm wafer

[hollow spruce]

MY THOUGHTS ARE TELL ME

[amber fractal]

Vibes, noted

[olive sable]

22875

[amber fractal]

Doubt they happen to support vulkan

[true hemlock]

blue one is a samsung GDDR5 28nm process node

[amber fractal]

let alone everything else needed

[hollow spruce]

LET ME USE IP GRABBED IMAGE

[true hemlock]

the other ones a random FPGA/HPC on 12nm process node

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

I mean if yall want to make custom hardware for the sake of rendering a single red triangle

[true hemlock]

im tempted yeah

[olive sable]

[hollow spruce]

I like your hardware farm

[true hemlock]

i have like shit tons of 4 logic gates IC

shit tons of transistors

[olive sable]

If you're at the point of making custom hardware, just hardwire the display out to a red triangle

[hollow spruce]

I'm changing bitys of png

[amber fractal]

Needs to be vulkan tho

so can't hardwire

[olive sable]

Fair

Hmm

[true hemlock]

in theory you could just make 60+ nm ASICs that pulls thousands of watts but would outperform any scores

[amber fractal]

Triangle oven

[nocturne olive]

the traingle accelerator (tm)

[true hemlock]

okay im slowly degrading my 13900

1.55v

[amber fractal]

[true hemlock]

6.9GHz sustained

nice

as long as its under 1.9v should be fine

2v is instakill

1.9v it may still run for few minutes

1.85v, run it for like few minutes and you took months of its life away

[nocturne olive]

Can't wait for tomorrow to be like "can't get Elvyn PC, have to get another new CPU"

[true hemlock]

i'd try 1.75 at most

for short sustained load

[amber fractal]

Seems like the world record is 9.0GHz. So we got a bit of room

I'm 100% that is latest hardware tho

[amber fractal]

American source moment

So that is the goal to triangle

I should look for deals here, if I had budget maybe I can emulate Quack's luck

[hollow spruce]

Any one has better motherboard board that can Handel (15 v )

[nocturne olive]

Your CPU will explode if you put 15V on it

[hollow spruce]

Test nitrogen colling
I hope that doesn't burn core

[nocturne olive]

No matter the cooling it will still explode

Just too much voltage

[true hemlock]

you can try that on dummy test chip made for thermal testing afaik

at least on 100+ nm process nodes

[hollow spruce]

I9 to dead

[true hemlock]

lower than that it'll short out and burn

aight i figured that the IMC is also unlocked now

[olive sable]

Guys i made a linux version of the compile shaders bat file, and i updated the shaders to be faster

[true hemlock]

time to go for 4400MHz

[hollow spruce]

Test file

[olive sable]

I pushed them

[amber fractal]

bent pins category goes crazy

[true hemlock]

dram voltage to 1.55v surely nothing will go wrong, i'll 1dpc it though

[olive sable]

Gotta love me some pin 62, nice even power distrobution

[hollow spruce]

Let me research via grok ai or chatgpt

[true hemlock]

get out

[nocturne olive]

From what I know, 1.4 or 1.5 was the max suggested continuous voltage for DDR4 overclocking long term
You're probably fine

I personally never increase voltage
I only increase the clock speed without increasing voltage

[amber fractal]

So many 5600 for less than $50, too bad it is a gamba

[nocturne olive]

Still, my RAM runs just fine at 1.35V (stock) with 3800 MT/s and whenever I get the chance, CL18

[midnight sigil]

Prove for #bot-channel message

[amber fractal]

hol up, 2 bent pins for 35
They are even on the outside

[hollow spruce]

max I can pump is ( 2.0 v)

[amber fractal]

bid, nvm

[midnight sigil]

maybe motherboard bent

[olive sable]

Thats too much imo

[hollow spruce]

IF the CPU CAN Handle (15 v ) but
I want to try if available (45v)
Cpu only Handel is 2.0 even u using nitrogen colling
(One time only )

[nocturne olive]

I just don't want my hardware fried because I can't afford more of it

[olive sable]

Same

[hollow spruce]

Still planing mode
But i want to try it

[ivory plinth]

why is the triangle smol

[olive sable]

Faster

We're doing cpu rendering now

Gpu doesnt care much about amount of pixels, cpu does

[ivory plinth]

NOTED

[true hemlock]

this guy be like "i overclocked my CPU to 15 volts and undervolted my monitor to get negative response time, i also overclocked my 4 PSUs running in unison"

[olive sable]

Cpu also likes big amount of frames in flight

[true hemlock]

(btw 2 volts will instantly kill your CPU. that's obvious)

[midnight sigil]

0.01A with 130V

[true hemlock]

also

[nocturne olive]

I do kinda wonder what kind of silicon I've got in my CPU and how fast it could actually go

[true hemlock]

1.7v core voltage

7.6GHz

can we push it harder chat

[amber fractal]

Maybe so

[true hemlock]

its also pulling shit tons of current so i had to switch to my AIO

• its single core, heat density is fucking it up

[midnight sigil]

wdym what type of silicon

do you mean isotopes

[olive sable]

Im hetting 23954 fps with 512 frames in flight. Cpu really like big frames in flight

[nocturne olive]

I mean how good it is

[amber fractal]

Weird, it was worse on my end

[midnight sigil]

my fps goes down if frames in flight goes above 32

[olive sable]

There have been some changes to the shaders

Idk

Maybe its cuz im rendering at 7x6

[midnight sigil]

I'm also rendering in 7x6 with some changes to the shaders

[olive sable]

In my experience from testing just now, around 64 works the best

[nocturne olive]

You know what would be even slower than any computer? Hand-executing the Vulkan draw callls

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

LETS GOOO

4800MT/s CL16

WE COOKIN

[olive sable]

Aight i got 24044fps
Im happy with that

[true hemlock]

caibi ur dead

[nocturne olive]

Just draw triangle on paper by following the Vulkan draw calls, swap the paper, do it again

[midnight sigil]

no

[amber fractal]

Finally at a decent fps

[nocturne olive]

I assume too many volts

[true hemlock]

5GHz -> 7.6GHz sustained, 7.9GHz short period

3200MT/s to 4800MT/s CL16

oh caibi ur so fuckin dead because im trying windows first

[midnight sigil]

the program is extremely session-based, the same executable can lead to stable 28k fps or stable 33k fps

[midnight sigil]

[nocturne olive]

Crazy how my RAM instantly crashes if I try to run it any higher than 3800 MT/s

And is here at low DDR5 speeds

[midnight sigil]

my ram is 6600MT/s C32

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

With DDR4 level CAS

[amber fractal]

In the words of Elvyn, nothing ever happens I'm going all in

[midnight sigil]

quack don't let your cpu smoke

it's bad for health

[olive sable]

Cpu dont have lungs, the 13900k can dmoke if he wants

[true hemlock]

i switched sticks to the one i got from my dealer. s8b binned, its rated for 4000MT/s CL18 on jedec

[nocturne olive]

Oh, that explains

[olive sable]

quacks dealer

[true hemlock]

its so expensive though because s8b bins

[olive sable]

I want one of those

A dealer i mean

[nocturne olive]

grabbed some actually good RAM and then overclocked it and I assume increased voltage to reach +800 MT/s

[true hemlock]

1.45v yeah

my 3600MT/s sticks can only do 4400 CL16 max at 1.55v

wait i think i can do 4800 CL14 on the s8b chip

surely

[olive sable]

im running at 24044fps max now, which is 0.04159041756779238 ms per frame. with 64 frames in flight that gives us 2.66178672434ms latency

thats fine

[midnight sigil]

I can overclock my ram to 7800MT/s CL32, actually

[true hemlock]

im tempted to get a ddr5 mobo and get a 2x8GB ddr5-7600

[olive sable]

i jsut cant win

[amber fractal]

I'm happy to be in 3rd on linux if it means that I am the highest mobile chip

[midnight sigil]

get better hardware

[true hemlock]

oh btw the reason i don't use this s8b ram sticls for daily driving is because its 2x8GB, lmao

[amber fractal]

but quack is going after my spot as well

[olive sable]

i need a sponsor

anyone willing to sponsor me

???

[cobalt sigil]

surfshark or Nord,

probably

[amber fractal]

EWWWWWWW off center

[olive sable]

eeew

[cobalt sigil]

dYmanic isLand

[true hemlock]

ew

[olive sable]

dynamic my ass

[cobalt sigil]

or some kind of that shit

idk

I think the iPhone 18 looks bad tbh

[true hemlock]

hold up i'll go to bios again

[olive sable]

-SanVanTriangle, 2025

[cobalt sigil]

according to the leaks for now

[amber fractal]

I know being off center is bad, but may I have you look at #3 compared to the others

[olive sable]

oh no

no no no

if you're gonna mak them off centered at least do it consistently

[true hemlock]

okay

[cobalt sigil]

it's not on top

and uh

yea kinda ugly

[true hemlock]

can only post at 4933MT/s CL12

higher than that it refuses to post

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Under windows

Linux is about to go insane

[true hemlock]

yeah

actually nah, its just post

[true hemlock]

WINDOWS BOOTED

LETS GOOO

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

YESSSSSSs

[true hemlock]

caibi ur so fucking dead

[cobalt sigil]

congrats

[amber fractal]

Imagine not having context on what we've been doing for the last 4 days

[cobalt sigil]

[amber fractal]

All of this is for a high fps triangle

[cobalt sigil]

I don't really chat that often here

but still more active then #artist-alley and #gaming

[amber fractal]

I've basically never checked #artist-alley, haven't done anything I want to post there

[true hemlock]

what

happened to my monitor now

[amber fractal]

Plug the old one in

[true hemlock]

nvm im fucking paranoid

its just my gpu driver loading in

[midnight sigil]

[amber fractal]

Quack's score to beat:
1. caibi 34447

[midnight sigil]

wait for me to get a fucking i9-14900KF and overclock it to 8GHz

[amber fractal]

Overclocking competitions got nothing on this

[true hemlock]

what the fuck is going on with the monitor

why is it flickering

ITS NEW

[amber fractal]

Unstable system

[midnight sigil]

are you in your bios or smth

[true hemlock]

nvm

[midnight sigil]

it might just be instability

[true hemlock]

this monitor apparently pulls way more power and even my molex to usb adapter can't supply it

i used its own power brick

and it works

[rare bramble]

using molex to usb to power a monitor

[amber fractal]

Classic, my portable ones just shut down instantly

[olive sable]

24245

[amber fractal]

I really want to tear one of those open because the panel can do a lot more than 4k60 and the usb interface is getting in the way

[true hemlock]

OH

THIS MONITOR IS SO FUCKING GOOD

HOLY SATURATION

[olive sable]

Oh wait a damn minute

Yall said lm num threads 3 or 5 was good, so i tested and landed on 4

But 1 gives me 31K

[amber fractal]

I landed on 1

[true hemlock]

imma boot to tiny 10

[olive sable]

31609

[true hemlock]

and triangle there with all hthe overclocking

also i can get 4933MT/s CL11 now

@olive sable give me the new src

[olive sable]

The what?

[amber fractal]

My stuff is merged, don't know if anyone else needs to upstream

[hollow spruce]

My computer is hell

[true hemlock]

wait have you pushed the new one

[olive sable]

The github is up to date

[amber fractal]

Scraping discord

Not the wisest choice to show

[olive sable]

We're not i dont think

[amber fractal]

I know none of the regulars would

because we all know this channel is useless to scrape

[true hemlock]

guess my fps

windows

[amber fractal]

40k

[olive sable]

34K

[true hemlock]

kind of lower than expected though

[amber fractal]

Blame windows for all issues

[true hemlock]

was expecting higher for the overclock im doing

fuck microsoft

fuck

[amber fractal]

41554 seems like it

[true hemlock]

wait why is task manager saying that im only hitting 5.6GHz

the fuck

oh

[olive sable]

Are we printing the fps now?

[true hemlock]

i used caibi's zip

[olive sable]

Idk if thats upto date

I changed the shaders

[amber fractal]

More like parts of each are out of date to the other

a lot of shader work

[true hemlock]

oh hold on

[amber fractal]

@true hemlock sam changed the frames in flight in a leaderboard commit, better set that back

[midnight sigil]

you really skipped to 40k huh

FUCK

[olive sable]

To me framesin flight 64 is the fastest

Idk

[amber fractal]

I have 6 because igpu is still faster

[olive sable]

Im switching to printing now so its comparable to what quack is doing

[amber fractal]

Probably less expensive as well, considering the one botch fix in the fps calculations

[olive sable]

True

[olive sable]

Igou is faster than software for you?

I cant compare

[true hemlock]

um

it bugged

i think

[amber fractal]

I'm probably to blame

[true hemlock]

either that or somehow i accidentally triggered the buffer bug again

[olive sable]

?

[olive sable]

Ah

Hmmm

What happens if you fullscreen?

If you can at least

[true hemlock]

can't

[midnight sigil]

relaunch it a few times maybe

it's buggy

idk why

[olive sable]

I havent tried on windows lately so

[true hemlock]

shit

my windows score is about to beat my linux score

[midnight sigil]

you entirely skipped 40k

[olive sable]

Nah thats good

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

thank god dynamic voltage is also a thing so my cpu doesn't run constantly at 1.7v

[olive sable]

That means linux will be even higher

[amber fractal]

So you got a chance to beat that leaderboard as well

[midnight sigil]

quack what motherboard you have

[true hemlock]

@trim valve im coming for you

[midnight sigil]

so I can get a brief view of your cpu power supply

[true hemlock]

just a random B760m with like 8 pin eps

[amber fractal]

bred apperanty did no modifications, so it better be by a bit

[true hemlock]

i just disabled ALL my cores except for 2

[midnight sigil]

is it the DDR4 one

[true hemlock]

yeah

[midnight sigil]

aye got ya

[true hemlock]

so only 2 cores pulling all the power because my mobo isn't 8+4 or 8+8 EPS

elvyn's lucky though, her motherboard has 8+8 EPS

fuck it

i need to make my windows score beat my linux one first

[amber fractal]

55.3k is to beat

[true hemlock]

nvm then

definitely can't

UNLESS

IF I GO FOR 1.75V

nah

enough torturing my poor cpu

time for linux

[amber fractal]

we need the cpu to live for linux

[true hemlock]

nixos or debian chat

[olive sable]

32232 is my pb on linux rn

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

Whichever is less of a pain to compile on

[midnight sigil]

6+2+1

[true hemlock]

any other scores i need to update

!trianglepush

[olive sable]

Previously when using gpu rendering there was always a pinned core, now with llvmpipe there isnt

[true hemlock]

sam what's your best score

[olive sable]

I got 32232 now

[midnight sigil]

I have an 8+8 eps for cpu power, and 16+1+2 stages/phases

[olive sable]

Still linux cachyos

[true hemlock]

cachy?

ah

[midnight sigil]

that sounds very desirable

[olive sable]

32276

[midnight sigil]

need to have a better cpu before trying to kill my current one though

[true hemlock]

my 2 cores are pulling like uh

230W ish

[midnight sigil]

what's your gpu? the 4070S one right?

[olive sable]

Im pulling 62W on occasion according to zenpower

[amber fractal]

Insane watt to core ratio

more than my entire system

[true hemlock]

just for a single triangle

[olive sable]

100W / core is just frying amounts

[olive sable]

Its not just a triangle

Its the fastest goddamn triangle on earth

[midnight sigil]

I just recalled this

why did I fucking buy an 8+8

and a non-k series cpu

????

[olive sable]

This should become a nerdy yt documentary, it would be funny

[amber fractal]

We need a video essay

[midnight sigil]

I'm mad wasting money on my motherboard ngl

[true hemlock]

buy an ES non k next

its easier to unlock

[amber fractal]

I checked for ES and the only ones I could find are far too old

[unkempt citrus]

I'm missing context

whats ES

[olive sable]

Guys im in the bios, how do i speed?

[olive sable]

Engineering sample

[midnight sigil]

ESs are scary

[true hemlock]

no ES are fucking peak

[midnight sigil]

you never know what have happened to it

[olive sable]

Game boost?

[midnight sigil]

CNY$600 for a 14th gen cpu sounds like a scam fr

[true hemlock]

#programming message

i have the weirdest cpu in this room

[true hemlock]

you can try

also try tightening ram timings

[olive sable]

Surely the big button with gameboost would be faster

[true hemlock]

which one

[midnight sigil]

idk I didn't examine it deeply

I just looked at the price

[true hemlock]

you also need to look for the revision version and label

mine is rev 2 (Q0L4)

if you wanted 13900, get Q0L4, avoid Q0D8 even though its way cheaper

[olive sable]

Hmm

[midnight sigil]

also

[olive sable]

What do i do?

[true hemlock]

advanced dram config

[true hemlock]

LMFAO

[midnight sigil]

leave it if you don't know what you're doing

you only touch max 4 parameters if you're not doing some extreme stuff

[olive sable]

While i know the basics, im out of my depth here

[true hemlock]

i'll guide ya lol

!trianglepush

i forgot to sort for the push command lmfao

[midnight sigil]

now for linux

go for 100k

[amber fractal]

Real 100k here we come

[true hemlock]

idk if its possible

so far the overclocking only gave me 60% perf increase at most

[midnight sigil]

60% efficiency you meant?

[olive sable]

Welp, bold ram oc from 3600 to 3800

[true hemlock]

it booted?

what cl

[olive sable]

Not the first time, but second time did

[midnight sigil]

that's not good

[olive sable]

The normal timmings

[true hemlock]

means it could be instable lol

[midnight sigil]

if it's not consistent, you might face some stability issues

[olive sable]

Ye its probably unstable, lemme lower it

[true hemlock]

try 3733