programming

[hollow spruce]

I can’t start my computer when the voltage is low, because it keeps going into a boot loop.

[olive sable]

i guess thats mostly for when you're connected to hdmi over usb-c tho

[stark needle]

?

[true hemlock]

run the 🔺

[stark needle]

what triangle

[true hemlock]

https://github.com/samvanmaele/very-fast-but-very-bad-code-vulkan

or if you're lazy and using windows

[faint sandal]

new #programming propaganda

[true hemlock]

hold i need to make a new one because this one has outdated src

[stark needle]

why do i need to run this

just to proove u dumped the most money into ur system😭

[true hemlock]

nah the 13900 i got for is cheap ass

also smh

[olive sable]

huh

[true hemlock]

insulting the holy triangle

[olive sable]

what jus thappened

oh nevermind

idk anymore, im seeing things

[stark needle]

how do i run this on linux

[true hemlock]

updated one

[true hemlock]

nix?

[stark needle]

normal ubuntu

[olive sable]

compile it with the makefile probably, its made to run on linux

[true hemlock]

get vulkan, sdl3 volk, clang++, lld, anything that it needs

[true hemlock]

this

[trim valve]

ci wen

[olive sable]

volk is included

[hollow spruce]

Not my fiber almost reach limit ( 28/32tb) post pay is suck (8/9/2025) next month

[rough bloom]

add the GitHub Actions runner to the leaderboard

[olive sable]

you just need to install sdl, vulkan and clang++ if you dont have those already

[trim valve]

brb charging sam for a gpu actions runner

[olive sable]

then compile with make run -j

[stark needle]

i aint gonna put that much effort into a random script

[olive sable]

understandable

[hollow spruce]

Not again

[olive sable]

i have become🔺

haver of 3 edges and 3 corners

[true hemlock]

🔺 gang

[tight tinsel]

programming on starboard!

[trim valve]

I am actually contemplating adding an actions runner to make a windows build exclusively so I don't have to fuck about with dependencies

[true hemlock]

also updated

build.bat to compile, triangle.bat to run
NOTE:

• VulkanSDK and SDL3 is packed, you don't need to install these on your own.
• you might need GCC/MSVC installed.
• running the one click compiler isn't a must, but it often improves performance because you're compiling from source directly on your machine
• imma also bundle libc++ soon ig

[trim valve]

virus

[stark needle]

fr it told me as well this a virus

[olive sable]

we love quacks malware

[trim valve]

discord just does that for anything that has a "sus" file extension lol

[midnight sigil]

I guess I shouldn't install it on an HDD

[stark needle]

no windows defender blocked it

[midnight sigil]

whatever I'll terminate disk services at the end

[trim valve]

windows defender was fine with it for me

[olive sable]

really? it shouldnt be that storage dependant. its mainly about clock speed

[trim valve]

damn

I really am not getting good perf here 😭

[midnight sigil]

nah it's not your program

I'm modifying windows

[true hemlock]

!triangleaddwindw Fridge,17118,Windows 10, Ryzen 7 9700X, RTX 3070 TI, 32GB DDR5

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "Fridge | 17118 | Windows 10 | Ryzen 7 9700X | RTX 3070 TI | 32GB DDR5 | "

[midnight sigil]

to the core

[olive sable]

i love how 9045 FPS is considered bad

[true hemlock]

windows 11?

[trim valve]

yeah

[true hemlock]

specs? (cpu, gpu, ram)

[trim valve]

I can close some stuff and get you a result if you want

brb

[olive sable]

i have brainwashed yall to need 5 digit fps numbers

yall will never be able to play AAA again

[true hemlock]

sub 80 FPS triple A title suck

i'd rather run triangle

at 60K fps

[trim valve]

ok without the IKEA room designer open

[true hemlock]

specs?

[trim valve]

1s

cpu: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X
gpu: AMD Radeon RX 9070 XT
ram: 2x32GB DDR5-6400

[true hemlock]

!triangleaddwindw owobred,10032,Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X, RX 9070 XT, 2x32GB DDR5-6400

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "owobred | 10032 | Windows 11 | Ryzen 9 9950X | RX 9070 XT | 2x32GB DDR5-6400 | "

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

[trim valve]

more than mildly tempted to do a nixos run but I'd have to make a usb and ugh

[olive sable]

the what?

[rigid snow]

[trim valve]

I needed to figure out how much bigger a desk was ok

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

would nixos run well enough off of a live usb

[midnight sigil]

it's not storage dependent

should be well

at least 20k fps

[olive sable]

dpends on which os

[trim valve]

true but I have zero idea if I'd be able to get the stuff I need from just a live usb

[rough bloom]

yeah it should be fine
as caibi said, the application itself isn't loading anything from disk after it's started, so storage speed shouldn't significantly affect performance here

[olive sable]

windows gets about 10K, linux about 18K for me

[true hemlock]

i vouch for this

[trim valve]

the usb I have is only 8GB so I'm mostly wondering if that would fit drivers and everything

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

now wiith installation instruction

[midnight sigil]

we have to make it fit into L2 cache

[true hemlock]

wait did it shit itself

[midnight sigil]

[rough bloom]

no
we have to make it run entirely on the GPU, no CPU interaction involved

[olive sable]

how tho?

[midnight sigil]

right

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

[olive sable]

you could argue for compute shaders, but you cant make a compute shader run itself

[midnight sigil]

I think modification of VBIOS is needed

[olive sable]

uh ye no

[rough bloom]

consult AMD RDNA documentation and Mesa internals

[olive sable]

i dont have an rdna gpu

[opaque sigil]

i remember someone managed to compile libc++ for amd gpus

[midnight sigil]

you can run windows 10 on only gpu, what do you think

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

[olive sable]

idk

if you feel up to the challange go ahead

[trim valve]

do I just chuck a nixos iso on a usb stick and fight it out or is there a fancy prebuilt nix iso

[opaque sigil]

the gpu is technically just another llvm target (with about 2 dozen asterisks but shh)

just grab the installer

[trim valve]

I don't actually want to install nixos

[opaque sigil]

who said you have to

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

[rough bloom]

you can make a fancy prebuilt iso with Nix but it's not worth it

[midnight sigil]

you can use any linux actually

[midnight sigil]

not Alpine

that was tested

[true hemlock]

you don't have to install nix btw

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

just run it on usb

won't be any different

[rough bloom]

it's a live iso like any other
the installer is a tiny part of it so excluding it won't save you much space

[trim valve]

🙏

[midnight sigil]

you just need a window manager right?

no need for whole desktop env

[trim valve]

what's the most optimized pipeline

[rough bloom]

you wouldn't have to make it fully self-execute
just loading a huge batch of commands into the queue at once would be good enough

[trim valve]

gotta squeeze those extra frames out

[true hemlock]

GPUs themself are computers with memory loop and execution pipeline so yeah possible

[tight tinsel]

🔺

[olive sable]

1.7K

ye nah

[rigid snow]

bro is running windows on an rpi

[tight tinsel]

im competing against 40 series

let me try closing everything else

[true hemlock]

huh rpi?

[rigid snow]

i'm joking

[true hemlock]

oh

[tight tinsel]

some improvement but nothing massive

hit 2k but didnt get a screenshot

[hexed shadow]

programmers when they are bored:

[olive sable]

speak for yourself

[hexed shadow]

[olive sable]

when im bored i do manly things, like uhhh

hmm

[hexed shadow]

hmmmmm

skirt

[olive sable]

i think i just dont really give myself the chance to become bored

[nocturne olive]

When I'm bored I grab a game such as Osu

[umbral thorn]

@true hemlock

[umbral thorn]

crossdressing to girl -> only man can do
manly

[sage crag]

you the small

🔺

[umbral thorn]

@true hemlock pc when ne

me want 🔺

[sage crag]

quack said hopefully sooner than a week

we can get you 🔺 soon

[umbral thorn]

[sage crag]

[dry charm]

💀 NixOS + i7-9750H + GTX 1650M

[true hemlock]

i just need the ddr5 and AIO

the problem?

[nocturne olive]

ElvynSoSilly

[sage crag]

no wonder :4090: exists

[true hemlock]

[nocturne olive]

I like Elvyn logic, it's silly but it makes sense

[dry charm]

now how to compile on windows

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

there is no :4090:

[nocturne olive]

Truly the silliest of all time

[sage crag]

@umbral thorn

[true hemlock]

!triangleaddlinux Sqbika,13337,NixOS,i7-9750H,GTX 1650M

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "Sqbika | 13337 | NixOS | i7-9750H | GTX 1650M | | "

[umbral thorn]

[true hemlock]

yeah very fucking funny

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

i feel like weve had this conversation before

[sage crag]

i didnt know you got your own

[stray dragon]

UNREAL

[true hemlock]

I KNOW RIGHT, ITS NOT EVEN REAL ITS AI GENERATED!!

[dry charm]

time to download clion

[olive sable]

we probably have.

[dry charm]

Wait what

[sage crag]

quack running from the allegations

[dry charm]

WAIT

[true hemlock]

don't look at me

look at elvyn

[dry charm]

@umbral thorn is this true

[sage crag]

eheh

[olive sable]

The idea to just not let atorin have those pictures was chasing quack, but quack ran faster

[true hemlock]

dude blame chirp

[rare bramble]

atorin my beloved

[olive sable]

you're the one takign the pictures no? then you're the one providing them to her

[sage crag]

elvyn is the supreme leaker

[true hemlock]

chirp's the one taking them 😭

and forcing me

[sage crag]

[umbral thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-super-shadow-shadow-gummy-gummychan-gif-2446562162850450714

[nocturne olive]

Peak Elvyn activity

[olive sable]

🔺

awa

[sage crag]

elvyn look at this creature

[true hemlock]

reject elvyn, return to 🔺

[sage crag]

i forgot i was recompiling my system

[trim valve]

so how does one nix this triangle

[olive sable]

the triangle is the symbol i fight for, awa is my batlecry, bwaa is my final will

[sage crag]

give me 30s

looks like compiling was terminated due to memory usage

ripbozo

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

RAM SMOL

[sage crag]

i have 32gb

[olive sable]

decent amount

[tight tinsel]

werm

lowest i saw was 160

[olive sable]

bwaaperson, that litteraly performs worse than a samsung smart fridge

[sage crag]

@trim valve chuck this in the directory

[tight tinsel]

[sage crag]

and then run nix-shell

[rough bloom]

exactly what I meant 7h ago with the --max-jobs thing
if you want highly concurrent builds you need a ton of RAM

[sage crag]

then you can make all

[trim valve]

can you chuck that in a pastebin

I uh

am not logged into discord

[sage crag]

{ pkgs ? import <nixpkgs> {} }:
pkgs.mkShell rec {
  nativeBuildInputs = with pkgs; [
    clang
    lld
  ];
  buildInputs = with pkgs; [
    glm
    sdl3

    vulkan-volk
    vulkan-loader
    vulkan-headers
    stdenv.cc.cc
  ];

  env.LD_LIBRARY_PATH = pkgs.lib.makeLibraryPath buildInputs;
  env.NIX_ENFORCE_NO_NATIVE = 0;
}

oe

[nocturne olive]

How do you lose to a literal Fridge?

[olive sable]

masive skill isue

[nocturne olive]

This triangle thing has become so silly

[sage crag]

https://pastebin.com/nfbvp9JZ

[olive sable]

samvantriangle

guys

what are my pronouns?

check

[rough bloom]

this is a feature I kinda want from Nix
it would be nice if large packages had some metadata for peak memory usage per core
then you could dynamically assign different parallelism per derivation and make much better decisions on how to order the build graph instead of just slowing everything down because one package needs too much RAM

[maiden geyser]

new nvidia driver yay

[trim valve]

:3

[sage crag]

WHAT

[olive sable]

ye nah you resized the window didnt you?

you rascal

[trim valve]

I what

I ran the program

[sage crag]

you cant resize it on kde

it doesnt work

[rough bloom]

RDNA4

[olive sable]

resizing the window breaks the swapchain, meaning it skips the render and does 70K fps

[trim valve]

I can't resize it

[olive sable]

yep

[trim valve]

no as in it physically does not let me

[olive sable]

wait, you mean to tell me it did 70K on your system without doing anything?

[sage crag]

@trim valve are you using wayland or x11

[nocturne olive]

Wait what?

[olive sable]

im sorry to say this, but your pc makes the swapchain get born disabled

[trim valve]

probably Wayland?

I booted into plasma because gnome pains me

[sage crag]

can you add SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland to the env vars

[olive sable]

[nocturne olive]

The window is probably under XWayland

[rough bloom]

should use XWayland by default I think
the wayland videodriver makes things slower for me

[nocturne olive]

What are the specs on that device?

[sage crag]

i mistyped

bwa

couldnt fix it because my pc crashed

[true hemlock]

FUCK

[true hemlock]

okay full specs?

[trim valve]

that's better

[true hemlock]

no no

full specs

now

[trim valve]

that one was broken or something

[true hemlock]

adding you to leaderboard

no

[olive sable]

ive never seen a vulkan swapchain get created and be immediatly out of date.
70K fps means you're getting VK_ERROR_OUT_OF_DATE_KHR but error handling has been disabled for performance

[trim valve]

how do you want full specs

[true hemlock]

adding that one

[nocturne olive]

Unlesss it's like a 14th gen i9 and just that insane

[sage crag]

fastfetch should be sufficient ig

[true hemlock]

bro

someone finally fucking beat my score

and i need to step my game up

[sage crag]

u dont

ur literally broke

[nocturne olive]

Liquid nitrogen for triangle when?

[rough bloom]

dw he has a bajillion GPUs, he'll live

[olive sable]

9950x and a 9070xt

hmmm

[sage crag]

that fricken explains it

top specs

[true hemlock]

!trianglelinux

[olive sable]

the 60K fps might be believable

[hidden ravine]

Linux Leaderboard:

1. 55272 by Quack on NixOS, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
2. 36036 by Iggly on NixOS, i7-1260P + Xe Graphics (integrated)
3. 35600 by superbox on Mint, i7-12700K + RTX 4070 Ti
4. 32100 by Semicolon on Arch, Ryzen 9 5950x + RX 6800 XT
5. 30573 by Iggly on CachyOS, Z1 Extreme + AMD Phoenix
6. 27158 by Shuni on NixOS, Ryzen 9 7950X + AMD Raphael (integrated)
7. 26364 by konii on NixOS, Ryzen 5 7600 + AMD Raphael (integrated)
8. 22809 by Prism on Custom, HP Prime G2 RevD + (Graphing Calculator)
9. 18230 by Sam on CachyOS, Ryzen 9 5950x + RTX 3090
10. 17000 by toast on NixOS, Ryzen 9 5900x + RTX 5070 Ti
11. 13768 by Sqbika on NixOS, Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 9060 XT
12. 13337 by Sqbika on NixOS, i7-9750H + GTX 1650M
13. 13037 by Assist on CachyOS, i3-8100U + UHD 620
14. 9458 by unkomp on Arch, +
15. 672 by Quack on TizenOS, Quad core ARM cortex? (Samsung Smart Fridge) + Mali GPU

[midnight sigil]

I terminated too much services

[trim valve]

there should really be a built in way to get an FPS score ngl

[dry charm]

How do you build this on Windows? can you build it with mingw at all?M

[tight tinsel]

lost to fridge its over

[trim valve]

it's a bit hard to tell when my top score is

[midnight sigil]

use llvm clang

not mingw clang

[olive sable]

i have no clue, other compilers are untested since i didnt test them

[sage crag]

does your cpu do integrated graphics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97FgCYSmMz4

[true hemlock]

!triangleaddlinux owobred,57587,NixOS,Ryzen 9 9950X,RX 9070 XT,64GB DDR5

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "owobred | 57587 | NixOS | Ryzen 9 9950X | RX 9070 XT | 64GB DDR5 | "

[true hemlock]

!trianglelinux

[hidden ravine]

Linux Leaderboard:

1. 57587 by owobred on NixOS, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
2. 55272 by Quack on NixOS, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
3. 36036 by Iggly on NixOS, i7-1260P + Xe Graphics (integrated)
4. 35600 by superbox on Mint, i7-12700K + RTX 4070 Ti
5. 32100 by Semicolon on Arch, Ryzen 9 5950x + RX 6800 XT
6. 30573 by Iggly on CachyOS, Z1 Extreme + AMD Phoenix
7. 27158 by Shuni on NixOS, Ryzen 9 7950X + AMD Raphael (integrated)
8. 26364 by konii on NixOS, Ryzen 5 7600 + AMD Raphael (integrated)
9. 22809 by Prism on Custom, HP Prime G2 RevD + (Graphing Calculator)
10. 18230 by Sam on CachyOS, Ryzen 9 5950x + RTX 3090
11. 17000 by toast on NixOS, Ryzen 9 5900x + RTX 5070 Ti
12. 13768 by Sqbika on NixOS, Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 9060 XT
13. 13337 by Sqbika on NixOS, i7-9750H + GTX 1650M
14. 13037 by Assist on CachyOS, i3-8100U + UHD 620
15. 9458 by unkomp on Arch, +
16. 672 by Quack on TizenOS, Quad core ARM cortex? (Samsung Smart Fridge) + Mali GPU

[olive sable]

"untested since i didnt test them"
-SamVanTriangleMaeleBadBracketMan

[midnight sigil]

clang should be faster than gcc or other compilers

[true hemlock]

someone fucking beat me

noooo

[sage crag]

depends what you mean by faster

[trim valve]

I think so?

[sage crag]

also its randomly dependant

clang itself is slower than gcc by a long way

[nocturne olive]

My tiny 35K FPS is going down the leaderboard

[sage crag]

but also clang can produce faster binaries due to lto, pgo, bolt, etc

[trim valve]

in windows I had AMD graphics when I still had my Nvidia gpu

[olive sable]

im 10th bwaa

[sage crag]

but by default gcc has better optimisations

[midnight sigil]

that's what I meant smh

[tight tinsel]

[olive sable]

honeslt can you compile this for android?

[midnight sigil]

[tight tinsel]

im gonna boot up the second pc and see if it runs any better

[sage crag]

can you run MESA_VK_DEVICE_SELECT=list vulkaninfo

[true hemlock]

bro

[rough bloom]

it does
the 9950X has an iGPU, it's even listed in the neofetch output you sent a picture of

[midnight sigil]

you can, android is just a jvm wrapper for linux

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

[midnight sigil]

you need to manage the window though

[tight tinsel]

shit i have no idea if i can even remote into it without having to drag a monitor here

[trim valve]

where does one vulkaninfo

[sage crag]

nix-shell -p vulkan-tools

[midnight sigil]

I love how my fan spins at full speed when bsod triggers

so much feedback

[olive sable]

surely this code chatgpt gave should work

[sage crag]

can you run the triangle thing with the env var MESA_VK_DEVICE_SELECT=1002:13c0

[true hemlock]

@trim valve 🔺WE'RE GOING TO COMPETE🔺

[trim valve]

and the other env var?

[sage crag]

yes, for now

we dont know if xwayland is busted or not

however, from other testing, i know that xwayland takes me from 23k fps to 26k fps

[midnight sigil]

the env var is the malware trigger don't trust the tv

[sage crag]

whgat

[dry charm]

need this ty

[sage crag]

that should be your igpu

show the terminal pwease

[tight tinsel]

!!

[opaque sigil]

9950X too strong

[trim valve]

do I just sign into discord and screenshare

[sage crag]

nyo a screenshot is sufficient

i just need to see the selected device

[sage crag]

it not work hm

[true hemlock]

BRO

LMAO IM SO FUCKING COOKED

THIS GUY HIT 57K

WITH IGPU

[sage crag]

also what is radv is not a conformant Vulkan implementation

[true hemlock]

IM SO FUCKING COOKED

[opaque sigil]

radv is not stable

[sage crag]

no its not using the igpu

[trim valve]

, testing use only

[sage crag]

env var didnt work

[true hemlock]

oh

[sage crag]

can you change it to MESA_VK_DEVICE_SELECT="1002:13c0!"

[midnight sigil]

this is as tiny as I can get

[dry charm]

src\main.cpp:5:14: fatal error: 'windows.h' file not found
    5 |     #include <windows.h>

wtf is windows.h

[true hemlock]

i think you need gcc

[sage crag]

49k with igpu

[sage crag]

and if you remove SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland?

[opaque sigil]

it's the universe

[sage crag]

@true hemlock

now its 58k on igpu

[olive sable]

lmao

[trim valve]

core 2 is my strongest solder rn

[olive sable]

we're not gpu bound anyways

[sage crag]

what if you change the number to 10005:0!

[sage crag]

it is somewhat gpu bound clearly, 70k fps without igpu on wayland

[trim valve]

9.3k

[sage crag]

58k with igpu on wayland

[sage crag]

that's software renderer

[trim valve]

it is trying to render on all cores

[olive sable]

is it? so far we've been completely cpu bound

[sage crag]

what number did you get without all the env vars?

[trim valve]

which feels wrong on 16c32c

[trim valve]

like CPU usage?

[sage crag]

nyo just

fps

[trim valve]

basically just 1 core pinned

just running the program with no env vars 68k

[sage crag]

i think these are the correct results

[olive sable]

Its possible

[tight tinsel]

second pc

gtx 970 better than 3050

[olive sable]

3k is more respectable

[dry charm]

oh god I just had the worst idea

can I run it on my galaxy watch 4

[olive sable]

that was a 3050 before with 300fps?

[tight tinsel]

yesh

tbf the 300 was with like everything running

[midnight sigil]

is 109308fps normal on windows??

[olive sable]

If you get it working send it to me, i have a galaxy watch 4

[sage crag]

owobred,69767,NixOS,Ryzen 9 9950X,RX 9070 XT,64GB DDR5
owobred,58008,NixOS,Ryzen 9 9950X,AMD Raphael (integrated),64GB DDR5

as far as i can tell, its legit

[midnight sigil]

I think I glitched

[tight tinsel]

the more accurate one would be like 1.5k

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

No, you either resized the window or btoke it in another way

[midnight sigil]

nah it the new version

[trim valve]

am I freed from nix now or do you have more silly ideas to test

[sage crag]

yes i have another idea to test

you need to enable gamemode though

[olive sable]

Ye but in yhe new version i just said sdl isnt allowed to resize the window. If the os still breaks it in another way it will die

[midnight sigil]

ahh I see

probably process manager fucked it

[trim valve]

if you can give me steps then sure

finally logged into discord

[olive sable]

Neither are even fully saturated. Its probably bus or cpu related

[midnight sigil]

also sam what does the SDL_Delay(50u) does in the mainloop

[olive sable]

The mainloop is inly respondible gor handling the sdl stuff

So we dont want it to take up recources

[tight tinsel]

big number is big number

[trim valve]

looking at the wiki I might need to put a little more effort in

[sage crag]

i can give you the steps

[tight tinsel]

second pc is barely optimised im still waitinig on my wifi card

[sage crag]

just need to check which gpu is which

[trim valve]

would it work if I edited my config then did a nixos-rebuild test or w/e

[midnight sigil]

so longer the delay better the fps?

[sage crag]

wait no got it

[olive sable]

Ive set it yo do 20fps so the window is mostly responsive enough to not be bothersome, yet low in cost

[sage crag]

programs.gamemode = {
    enable = true;
    enableRenice = true;

    settings = {
      general = {
        renice = 10;
        softrealtime = true;
        # may break things
        igpu_desiredgov = "performance";
        igpu_power_threshold = -1;
      };

      # danger
      gpu = {
        apply_gpu_optimisations = "accept-responsibility";
        gpu_device = 0;
        amd_performance_level = "high";
      };
    };
  };

add this to your configuration.nix

omit the gpu = {} if you want

[midnight sigil]

20 fps update checks per second?

[sage crag]

then just nixos-rebuild switch

[true hemlock]

nvidia version?

[olive sable]

Kinda ye.
Its just the stuff like the gps counter and the red ctoss button on the window top right

[sage crag]

https://www.mankier.com/8/gamemoded

[trim valve]

aa

[trim valve]

my display is black konii

[sage crag]

[midnight sigil]

why don't just make it sleep for 1001ms then

[sage crag]

that is not good

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

I can get to the terminal with ctrl alt 1

[sage crag]

did it go black immediately or

[trim valve]

so how do I get back to a desktop now

mid nixos rebuild

[sage crag]

erm

[trim valve]

and didn't fix itself

[sage crag]

not my fault

just uh reboot

nix builds are atomic

[trim valve]

I blame live usb shenanigans

[sage crag]

why are you

youre doing this on a live usb????

[midnight sigil]

I blame nixos

[trim valve]

I said I was the whole time ???

[sage crag]

terrifying

[opaque sigil]

you didn't know?

[sage crag]

not even correct drivers installed

still ran 68k fps

[trim valve]

ok I'm gonna have to head out from my pc now

but like, feel free to make suggestions for later

[midnight sigil]

I don't have a browser on my win10

I have to do curl for everything

lmao

[olive sable]

Idk

[rough bloom]

it should have the correct drivers because Mesa and amdgpu are always included everywhere
just maybe slightly outdated

[sage crag]

true

[olive sable]

I feel like the red cross being unresponsive would be annoying

[sage crag]

i was wondering why it was kernel 6.15.8 actually

that explains it

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

sorry i meant kernel 6.12

outdated

[opaque sigil]

that's just lts

[sage crag]

but its not kernel 6.16

[opaque sigil]

6.16 is stable, 6.12 lts

[sage crag]

yup

[opaque sigil]

[true hemlock]

i think my monitor fucking died

[rough bloom]

I'm on 6.15 I think
not sure what NixOS 25.05 uses by default

[rough bloom]

nixos-unstable users are crazy, their kernel version doesn't count

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

is everyone except me on unstable?

[trim valve]

I had both the lts and some newer kernel in boot options

[sage crag]

yes you get the choice of lts and 6.16

on boot

[trim valve]

I just went with lts because I assumed it would explode less

[opaque sigil]

i used both at first but got annoyed by having 2 nixpkgs and just fully switched to unstable

[sage crag]

i have only ever used unstablea

awaw

[rough bloom]

cool feature

[rough bloom]

I got tired of constant mass rebuilds and breakage and switched to stable

[opaque sigil]

that'll probably be me too eventually tbh

but not yet

[sage crag]

not me

[opaque sigil]

may i interest you in comma by any chance

[sage crag]

no

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

bloatware

[midnight sigil]

why is this shit so big

it's just buildtools

[opaque wharf]

Holy hell my ISP has been having trouble for the whole day now

[opaque sigil]

"just"

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

is it worth trying to make game mode work on a liveusb

[midnight sigil]

game mode does not affect anything

[sage crag]

tell that to my computer

18k without 26k with

[midnight sigil]

you're only using 2 cores, 4 logic processors smh

[opaque sigil]

game mode doesn't, gamemode does

[opaque wharf]

Omnomnomnom

[opaque sigil]

(except when it doesn't)

[midnight sigil]

nix

[trim valve]

if so do I need to use my nixos wsl to build a nixos iso with it installed?

[midnight sigil]

I can't install msvc

it's stuck

[sage crag]

its called having proper pstates

[opaque sigil]

Does it not work with the live usb?

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[trim valve]

@opaque sigil

it blacked out my display fully

[sage crag]

dont nixos-rebuild on the live iso

its not meant to nixos-rebuild

[trim valve]

and it really did not like me editing the configuration.nix

[rough bloom]

that would be the easiest way if you have to use the live usb, yeah

[opaque sigil]

Oh

[rough bloom]

you don't need NixOS but you do need Nix to build the iso

[trim valve]

I already have nixos wsl so I may as well

[rough bloom]

ye

[trim valve]

as much as I love nix I don't want that on my Ubuntu wsl

also the nixos one boots in like <1s whereas Ubuntu's takes a solid 15s

[sage crag]

less services

[trim valve]

makes sense

[sage crag]

https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/6771393

merged

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

colours

awa

[dry charm]

I love to fix my config everytime I upgrade

and randomly thing break

[rough bloom]

honestly it could be worse

you could be using master or staging

[opaque sigil]

people that use master as their primary branch scare me

[opaque sigil]

i look away for a day and there are like 3000 new commits

[sage crag]

guero

[opaque wharf]

People that upload their git to onedrive scares me more

[trim valve]

now to figure out how on earth this works

[true hemlock]

...

my monitor fucking died again

[sage crag]

awa

[rough bloom]

easiest way is probably to use nixos-generators, it's meant for this
alternatively if you hate dependencies you can use the same thing NixOS Hydra uses to build the image directly kinda like here, IIRC you just need the correct module that provides the derivation under config.system.build.isoImage

[true hemlock]

dude

[opaque sigil]

ouch

[true hemlock]

this happened right after plasma loaded in

???

[opaque sigil]

is it actually the display or is it a gpu problem

[true hemlock]

my second display works fine...

[rough bloom]

RIP briefcase PC monitor probably

[opaque sigil]

[true hemlock]

when i plugged to the display port its all black now...?

now i have to RMA this shit again

can't do 🔺 today

sorry

[true hemlock]

MY SECOND MONITOR TOO???

[rough bloom]

at least it has the warranty QR code right there

my warranty now

[true hemlock]

it still worked

just with those weird lines

this is so fucking weird

BOTH of my monitors at the same exact time

this is fucking nonsense

someone dropped an EMP on me wtf??

im convinced that someone just emp ed me

the coincidence is just too weird with how BOTH my monitors started having issues

and the fact that all these happened RIGHT AFTER i booted into nixos with plasma

[opaque wharf]

Probably the same person that makes my ISP still down even until now

[true hemlock]

something ain't right

im losing my fucking mind

amazon accepted return,

[midnight sigil]

I'M SO CLOSE TO 30K

AERSGFYUHJIOPO

more code optimization needed

@true hemlock how do I update my score via bot

[true hemlock]

okay now i need to find where tf did i keep the box

bought a new monitor

sigh

[midnight sigil]

are there people doing EMP to strangers now

[true hemlock]

my secondary monitor is a gigachad

survived and outlived the main monitor THRICE

almost fucking died this time, but survived and somehow is healing back?

the lines are disappearing

[worldly panther]

I just spent 10 minutes crashing out bc I couldnt figure out why my program was crashing on constructing my class

surely nothing is wrong with that image

[true hemlock]

!trianglelinux

!trianglelinux

[hidden ravine]

Linux Leaderboard:

1. 57587 by owobred on NixOS, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
2. 55272 by Quack on NixOS, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
3. 36036 by Iggly on NixOS, i7-1260P + Xe Graphics (integrated)
4. 35600 by superbox on Mint, i7-12700K + RTX 4070 Ti
5. 32100 by Semicolon on Arch, Ryzen 9 5950x + RX 6800 XT
6. 30573 by Iggly on CachyOS, Z1 Extreme + AMD Phoenix
7. 27158 by Shuni on NixOS, Ryzen 9 7950X + AMD Raphael (integrated)
8. 26364 by konii on NixOS, Ryzen 5 7600 + AMD Raphael (integrated)
9. 22809 by Prism on Custom, HP Prime G2 RevD + (Graphing Calculator)
10. 18230 by Sam on CachyOS, Ryzen 9 5950x + RTX 3090
11. 17000 by toast on NixOS, Ryzen 9 5900x + RTX 5070 Ti
12. 13768 by Sqbika on NixOS, Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 9060 XT
13. 13337 by Sqbika on NixOS, i7-9750H + GTX 1650M
14. 13037 by Assist on CachyOS, i3-8100U + UHD 620
15. 9458 by unkomp on Arch, +
16. 672 by Quack on TizenOS, Quad core ARM cortex? (Samsung Smart Fridge) + Mali GPU

[true hemlock]

ONE DAY

!trianglewindw

[hidden ravine]

Windows Leaderboard:

1. 32024 by Quack on Tiny 10, i9-13900 (ES Q0L4) + RTX 4070 Super
2. 29250 by Caibi on Windows 10(19045.2965; AtlasOS 0.3.2), i7-14700F + RTX 4060
3. 22800 by iwbtvb on Windows 11, i9-12900KF + RTX 3090
4. 17118 by Fridge on Windows 10, Ryzen 7 9700X + RTX 3070 TI
5. 13531 by Vanyilla on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RTX 4090
6. 11000 by Sam on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 3090
7. 10032 by owobred on Windows 11, Ryzen 9 9950X + RX 9070 XT
8. 0 by Adesi on Windows ??, Ryzen 9 5950X + RTX 4080
9. 0 by Quack on Windows 10, Threadripper 3990X 64C + TITAN V

[true hemlock]

this is lower than your current score on leaderboard

[sage crag]

the readings for bred are innaccurate

@true hemlock the correct numbers for bred

owobred,69767,NixOS,Ryzen 9 9950X,RX 9070 XT,64GB DDR5
owobred,58008,NixOS,Ryzen 9 9950X,AMD Raphael (integrated),64GB DDR5

[true hemlock]

wtf

???

how

[sage crag]

xwayland

the other measurements were on wayland not xwayland

this is definitely a cpu benchmark

[sage crag]

she did it in nixos liveboot iso too

[true hemlock]

which one is the screenshot for the 69767

[sage crag]

here

[true hemlock]

yeah that's in

!triangleupdatelinux 1,69767

[hidden ravine]

Updated entry "owobred" (57587 -> 69767)

[true hemlock]

!trianglepush

[sage crag]

its top two results

[tender river]

triang l

[true hemlock]

SOME DAY

I WILL BEAT

THAT SCORE

MARK MY WORDSSSS

[sage crag]

this is the one where we forced it to use the igpu

unfortunately its beating your gpu without a gpu

[true hemlock]

nope doesn't count because same cpu and os

[sage crag]

hugest copium

[true hemlock]

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dAeTC6JH_M

[opaque sigil]

surely someone lets you rent a 14900KS

[true hemlock]

imma leave this overnight and see what happens

[sage crag]

true

[true hemlock]

(this is my even bigger copium rn)

[opaque sigil]

nixos heard you talking smack and decided to kill your monitors

[sage crag]

monitor OC too high

sadgi

[true hemlock]

unfortunately, the refund will took like a week

so if i buy new monitor rn, i won't have the money for elvyn's ddr5

[midnight sigil]

just asking if I can use the commands or not

[true hemlock]

you have access lol

not push though

but add and update yeah should have access

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

I think your crystals are fucked

[true hemlock]

!triangleaddlinux Elvyn,0,NixOS,Ryzen 9 7950X ES, RTX 3080, 2x32GB DDR5-6000

[hidden ravine]

Added entry "Elvyn | 0 | NixOS | Ryzen 9 7950X ES | RTX 3080 | 2x32GB DDR5-6000 | "

[true hemlock]

placeholder

[sage crag]

@umbral thorn you triangle

[flint dome]

Question: why are debian based distros so inconsistent with drivers while fedora always works for me out of the box

[sage crag]

debian based distros are "stable" distros

[flint dome]

Like the nvidia nonfree driver took me 5 minutes to install

And ubuntu and linux mint didn't even support my realtek wifi card

[flint dome]

what exactly do you mean by that, please elaborate

[opaque sigil]

they purposefully use older versions of everything for stability's sake

[umbral thorn]

#bot-channel

[opaque sigil]

ubuntu 24.04 for example uses 6.8 for its kernel which came out a year and a half ago, so chances are any hardware since then just simply isn't supported to some degree

[umbral thorn]

[sage crag]

i sorry i cant play poker

[sage crag]

someone play with her

[opaque sigil]

i only know how to play balatro

[sage crag]

i can play when i have the time

but i have to go

[midnight sigil]

check

[tender river]

bwabwa came too late

[sage crag]

she do it agian

play with

[hollow spruce]

Let play

[sage crag]

#bot-channel play thjere

she play

[hollow spruce]

Im beginner

Sudo is not fund

[stark needle]

@true hemlock am i doing something wrong

i am getting 2160 fps on a 3090

on windows

[hollow spruce]

Application?

[trim valve]

11?

[stark needle]

ye

[opaque sigil]

you had your cpu in eco mode didn't you

[stark needle]

no

[opaque sigil]

oh then idk

[stark needle]

yea idk

ill leave it be

[hollow spruce]

Enable best performance mode

[trim valve]

what cpu?

[stark needle]

i7 13700f

I found the problem

Turns out

I didnt connect my pump

💀

[opaque sigil]

wait so it was thermal throttling like crazy?

[stark needle]

Yr

[opaque sigil]

[trim valve]

pump?

o

[stark needle]

Yeah nowwwww it's cooling

Yeah no same fps

[nocturne olive]

Driver issue?

[midnight sigil]

it should hit da already if it's the case

[midnight sigil]

check frequency

[stark needle]

Of?

[midnight sigil]

cpu

[midnight sigil]

that looks normal

idk

[hollow spruce]

Hmm maybe driver

[sick owl]

Why is Jimmy Fallon hosting the pixel 10 reveal

Wtf am I watching

[hollow spruce]

=> ?

https://youtube.com/shorts/s5SuHbYDTQk?si=IzR0w5WLJaRxQOgA
Dev fogot to fix

[rigid snow]

[cosmic sphinx]

GOOOOGLEEEEEEEE

[sick owl]

This is my idea of hell

[sick owl]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

They also have the Jonas Brothers for some reason

[cosmic sphinx]

[sick owl]

Wow this is bringing back E3 flashbacks

[cosmic sphinx]

woooow more phones..

[opaque sigil]

i call bs on that zoom

lol

[hollow spruce]

Gemini nano

[rigid snow]

switched to ultrawide lens at the end

[cosmic sphinx]

wait did I just miss 'Gemini Nano' there

[rigid snow]

yeah "back there" lmao

[cosmic sphinx]

@sick owl

MONKA

[hollow spruce]

Did i u mean Monika

[cosmic sphinx]

https://tenor.com/gu9zFwUb8zT.gif

omg a foldable phone

bros dont know all the issues...

[opaque sigil]

ip68 huh, that's actually nice

[rigid snow]

yo?

[cosmic sphinx]

ip68 on the inside?

[hollow spruce]

Ip 71 ?

[sick owl]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[rigid snow]

the 6 is important, it should be ok for dust

[sick owl]

IT FOLDS

[sick owl]

I CAN'T BELIEVE PHONES CAN FOLD

[cosmic sphinx]

the inside glass protection usually sucks so much

[rigid snow]

samsung could never

[cosmic sphinx]

my mom has to deal with the Z fold and the constant air bubbles that appear under the protection film

[hollow spruce]

Google will buy Samsund display

[cosmic sphinx]

it costs $60 to replace that damn film

[sage crag]

om

[cosmic sphinx]

every month

not gonna buy a fold for the next 10 years for sure

[sick owl]

The dents on foldables drives me mad

[cosmic sphinx]

blah blah blah

GIVE ME GEMINI 3

[rigid snow]

wow i wonder how they came up with the nod/shake feature

[hollow spruce]

What apple
One guy say
(A apple a day keeps the doctor close to u again )

[sick owl]

Pixel buds

Just buy soundpeats

Jimmy Fallons an actual paid chatter holy

D1 glazing

I mean he is a literal paid actor but still make it believable guys

[cosmic sphinx]

I wonder how soon is the battery gonna degrade to the point where you need to recharge the case every day

[cosmic sphinx]

100% uses some sort of AI enhancement

no phone camera can have that clean 50x zoom

[sick owl]

It uses AI

You can see the image enhancement artifacts

Wobbly grill and the like

It is still kinda neat but its not native obviously

[cosmic sphinx]

unfortunately modern optics have their limits

[midnight sigil]

is it allowed to have a conversation with asymetric cryptography here, and mods can't understand it

[midnight sigil]

not really

[sick owl]

Okay the magic cue stuff is pretty cool

[midnight sigil]

you just need to have a very large aperture to let light through

[cosmic sphinx]

well yeah.. try fitting that in a phone

[midnight sigil]

[cosmic sphinx]

atp just buy a camera

[midnight sigil]

the phone lens is alright

sensor is too bad for the job

[sick owl]

I will say they finally include a telephoto lens in the base model with the pixel 10

Which is a very welcome change

That was one area Google really lagged behind

[cosmic sphinx]

imagine the first gemini 3 model they'll launch is gonna be a nano

[midnight sigil]

even more expensive phones coming

[sick owl]

Natural language photo editing is pretty neat

[cosmic sphinx]

it wouldnt make much sense to launch a 2.5 nano at this point, right before 3 releae
but at the same time all 2.5 models are already GA so it's better to have a 2.5 nano rather 3.0?

[sick owl]

Bro got cucked by Jimmy Fallon

[opaque sigil]

wtf is this

[cosmic sphinx]

[sick owl]

As someone who's shit with a camera I can see the appeal

[true hemlock]

elvyn might not get her pc this week :(

[hollow spruce]

Wrong tag

Truth or dare ?

[sick owl]

I'm waiting to hear abou the tensor G5

That's gonna be interesting

[cosmic sphinx]

😐

[sick owl]

Interesting can mean good or bad

I heckin love corporate comedy

[cosmic sphinx]

real-time voice translation

like 6 month old tbf

[sick owl]

It running on device is pretty neat at least

[cosmic sphinx]

true

MINIMAL LATENCY

imagine if we could use this technology to translate neuro with neuro's voice in real time in other languages..

[sick owl]

Neuro-Sama powered by Google Pixel 10 LULE

[warped narwhal]

I wonder how minimal it will actually be though, internet round trip + much faster server, vs no internet round trip but vastly slower processing

[cosmic sphinx]

tbf twitch could bank in and launch an auto-translation feature for subscription or smth using this

[sick owl]

L take

[cosmic sphinx]

youtube will 100% do it sooner or later

[sick owl]

Wired headphones rock

[stark needle]

me when gemini nano

gemini nano is so fuckin useless

[opaque sigil]

they already have their auto dubbing so no doubt about that

[cosmic sphinx]

???????

[stark needle]

it has 0 use cases

[cosmic sphinx]

what the hell are those takes on wired headphones

holy sh-

OR HOW ABOUT HEADPHONES THAT DONT REQUIRE YOU TO RECHARGE THEIR CASE SEPARATELY EVERY 2 DAYS

[sick owl]

I actually like wireless headphones when I'm on the go and I still think that was an L take

Peloton

[cosmic sphinx]

the only reason why I have wireless is because nor my phone, nor tablet have an interface for wired headphones atp

thanks samsung

[nocturne olive]

Fearless?

[cosmic sphinx]

did you even try it

[nocturne olive]

("peloton" is Finnish and means "fearless")

[cosmic sphinx]

now I gotta figure out how to watch karaoke and 'made by google' at the same time

[warped narwhal]

you have two eyes

[cosmic sphinx]

ears*

[nocturne olive]

Just have goood internet

[cosmic sphinx]

ion need to see karaoke

[sick owl]

I'm just gonna have both on and mute whenever a feature I'm not interested in is being talked about on the google side

[cosmic sphinx]

[sick owl]

[cosmic sphinx]

oh well I guess they got their own live subs

so about that Gemini assistant..

VOLUME 100 ON THE TWITCH TAB --> #livestream-chat

[sick owl]

Seriously?

Not a word on G5?

Is it that bad

I mean some of the features are neat but are we really not gonna talk hardware

[opaque sigil]

[cosmic sphinx]

wait is that it?

no comments on gemini 3, gemini nano, G5?

i feel like i've been scammed

[glad path]

and they could add automated captions too

[cosmic sphinx]

probably could even run it on most PC's/laptops locally as an experiment

after all

Your Chrome Requires More RAM

[sick owl]

Think ima get the Pixel 10 Pro

16GB RAM is nice

The XL is like £10 more per month for a .5 inches larger phone so that's a waste

But the 10 pro can fit Mistral Small on device so its an easy buy over the 10 for me

[cosmic sphinx]

google advertisement worked already fr fr

[nocturne olive]

Who needs more than 4GB on a phone?

[true hemlock]

i'd say phones don't need more than 8GB

more than that and its kind of waste of money ngl, better off buying second hand

[nocturne olive]

I've never had a need for more than 4GB because I barely use my phone ever

[true hemlock]

8GB sweet spot

also i personally think phones don't need more power/performance. battery life much more important

[tender river]

pinephone is a bit too slow for my liking but oneplus 6 was just fine

phone performance has been fine for years

[sick owl]

I can fit a nice local LLM on there with 16GB

[glass flower]

"640KB ought to be enough for anybody" - bill gates

[sick owl]

Its good for privacy in that respect

[nocturne olive]

Why big LLM on phone?

[sick owl]

Makes me less reliant on corpo cloud software

[nocturne olive]

Don't you use PCs for that?

[sick owl]

Well if I'm on the go and I'm gonna ask an LLM a question I'd rather it be a private one running on device than rely on Gemini

Mistral Small plugged into Startpage is pretty good

[nocturne olive]

I would use my funny laptop I carry around everywhere to remote into my PC with the 3090 to use something if I really wanted to use a private LLM

[sick owl]

I don't wanna pay that electricity bill

[nocturne olive]

I simply avoid using LLMs

[true hemlock]

the llm that you can run on a 16GB phone doesn't feel really practical though

[nocturne olive]

I don't even know what I could run on a 24GB 3090 or my full system's 36GB

[sick owl]

I mean I run the same LLM on my PC at Q6 instead of Q4

Mistral Small is really good combined with a decent web search tool

Whenever I show off translations, word definitions and the like in #livestream-chat that runs on device for me these days

Also the difference between the regular 10 and 10 pro is actually closer to £5 a month

Four gigs more ram at nearly £1 per gig is kind of a no brainer

[nocturne olive]

How silly
Meanwhile me with almost no need for LLMs

Not enough to warrant actively working towards making something to use them anyway

[true hemlock]

per month?

uhh what

[sick owl]

It is on my Vodafone contract

[true hemlock]

how much are you paying for the whole thing

[sick owl]

I run with a 0% APR device plan with Vodafone

With options to pay off early or trade in before the contract ends

They're actually pretty good

[true hemlock]

and how much you ended up paying for a phone

[sick owl]

Retail MSRP, just broken up over time

[true hemlock]

like how much lol

[sick owl]

For the 10 pro?

[true hemlock]

idk what's the msrp

yeah

[sick owl]

£838

[true hemlock]

wtf

[sick owl]

Its spread out over years though

I upgrade my phone like once every half a decade

[true hemlock]

ok fair

[sick owl]

The actual monthly cost is £32 and that's with 5G

[true hemlock]

fair...

[sick owl]

Why the :Despairge:?

[sick owl]

I don't need LLMs but I like having them

Corporations are leeching way less data off me when I have a local one as a middleman for tasks

[nocturne olive]

I don't particularly care
It would be more effort than it's worth to program an application to manage them

[sick owl]

That's valid tbf

[nocturne olive]

I might still make one eventually just to learn more stuff, but for now it doesn't seem like a high priority

[sick owl]

As I mentioned earlier, you can do a lot with a very small model these days (least schizo twitch chatter btw)

[rigid snow]

skill issue, i didn't need an llm to understand that

also calling 24b a "very small model" is something

i think very small is everything below 7b

[tender river]

i'd call 1.5b very small

maybe 3-4b too

[sick owl]

Idk, I think of anything up to 32B~ as very small

70-120~ as medium

Above that goes into large territory

[worldly panther]

what like parameters?

shit dawg mine's TINY then

[sick owl]

Yes that is absolutely tiny

[worldly panther]

in my defence I've been making it from scratch lmAO

[sick owl]

Yeah its understandable for a personal LLM project

Nothing wrong with a tiny model either, they have their place

[worldly panther]

size doesn't matter

[sick owl]

But for reference Gemini "Nano" is 26.13 times larger than your model

So it really is an orders of magnitude thing in terms of size

[worldly panther]

lmAo yeah ik

tbf I also only started about a week ago

I mainly just wanna get things working in the first place before I start scaling

(I'm terrified of FlashAttention but I know I'm gonna have to read those papers eventually )

[amber fractal]

looks back in chat 69k

Seems like good hardware has arrived

I should try the android test

In chatgpt code we pray

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

nix-collect-garbage -d

[trim valve]

o god

another 3 gigs