programming

[sage crag]

interestingly the compiler doesnt seem to respect #[inline(never)]

[tender river]

another silly one

this is looking just like hblang bug reports except not a bug

[sage crag]

bwa

[tender river]

ub is pure silliness

it was invented by big ctf to test more pens

[opaque sigil]

That's one thing I kind of like about mojo, if you explicitly tell the compiler to do something it will do it, regardless of if it's a good or bad idea

[sage crag]

you also like this about hblang

why is it so hard to do anything when you feel sick

bwabwa

[opaque wharf]

What about this CTF? https://github.com/jellyctf/challenges

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

Damn body trying to survive, how dare you

[opaque wharf]

Fun fact, the body does not try to survive

[tender river]

because you should rest and be lazy

lie in bed and read something

[sage crag]

noe

[opaque wharf]

But the body does try to remove foreign stuff at all cost

That at all cost part is problematic

[sage crag]

i already removed all of my foreign material earlier

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

huh

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDj_Or-h0R4

[opaque wharf]

I miss my swan

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

They are L O U D tho

[tender river]

is this not a valid argument why you should bedrot

[sage crag]

noe

nop

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

Hugging face absorbing papers with code but doesn't even have non-machine learning paper smh

[opaque wharf]

At what point does a game stop being a game and go into simulator territory?

[tender river]

??? linkedin didnt even check their signup captcha

it just doesnt work

[glad path]

i got that with a cloudflare captcha once

turned on 1.1.1.1 and it fixed it

wasnt on linkedin though

[olive sable]

i am back from sleeping and rotting in bed

lemme update the leaderboard

[bitter coral]

I fixed da maths.

I have no clue why the tutorial I followed gave the wrong equations.

I would assume I don't need to make a filled ellipse option as you can just use the paint bucket.

[tender river]

wait i just realized

Not for production use

linkedin please

[bitter coral]

Audio???

[tender river]

audio is normal for captchas

it allows blind people to pass them

[steel mesa]

sideways toad, sideways toad, sideways toad, sideways toad, sideways toad, sideways toad, sideways toad, sideways toad,

that's what I imagine the audio says

[olive sable]

if i use my bt headphones on windows i have to remove them from linu and repair them to use them

a bit annoying but not the end of the world

[warped narwhal]

Are we allowed to edit the code for the challenge? Or does it have to be as is

[olive sable]

edit it as you please, as long as you dont cheat by forging the fps

you're also not allowed to just not render anything

[warped narwhal]

#programming message also I got 28k FPS with a 5950x, and a 6800xt on arch

[opaque wharf]

Oh, yeah. This happens. Wireless device can be finicky with dual boot

[olive sable]

this is cool and all, but the purpose is to note down the gpu that was used to render it

not all 3 in your system

aight i cleaned upt he code for the linux build, it shoul be a lot more orderly now

[opaque sigil]

okay since i'm already on windows to grab some backups, ran it the triangle again and got around 66k (w11)

[olive sable]

im trying to combine the 2 repso for windows and linux into 1

jsut need to change the makefile too now

[tender river]

old nix apparently used let { a = 5; b = a; body = a + b; } instead of let a = 5; b = a; in a + b

[opaque sigil]

Thanks I hate it

[tender river]

so it was literally just syntax sugar for rec { a = 5; b = a; body = a + b; }.body

[opaque sigil]

Though I get it

[olive sable]

aight the main branch should jsut check for windows at compile now instead of needing to use a seperate branch

havent tested it thos since i did this on linux

aight it works, i can delete the other branch

shiro is a contributor now apparently

[sage crag]

shr

[tender river]

stop reading my mind

[olive sable]

the windows build is still doing 70K fps, while linux is still only doing 18K fps. the only diffrence betweenthe 2 is this tho

[sage crag]

erfing

ing

same width

amazing

[tender river]

noto n noto

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

ive updated the repo about 10 times already since he become one. im probabl clutering his inbox

[tender river]

contributors dont receive notifications on new commits

(and neither do you)

[olive sable]

oh ye

its only pr's?

[sage crag]

discor

[olive sable]

[tender river]

mobile

[sage crag]

using box i have identified they are pixel aligned

[olive sable]

[tender river]

i think the top one is a tiny bit more to the left

[sage crag]

it not

[tender river]

[midnight sigil]

I don't have an ipv6 assigned

[olive sable]

guys, i may not have a brain, but i have an idea....
instead of THREAD_PRIORITY_HIGHEST, what if i used THREAD_PRIORITY_TIME_CRITICAL?

[tender river]

it matches perfectly

[midnight sigil]

don't

it causes bsod

I tried

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

I freezes my whole windows

[olive sable]

lemme try

[hollow spruce]

(LOL @olive sable ]

[olive sable]

i get 72053 fps normally, and if i dotn crash ill say the other number

[hollow spruce]

Let me test @midnight sigil modify script
In a100 gpus 😐

[olive sable]

ok while i didnt bsod, all my windows did become unresposive

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

it did ask "... is unresponsive. close?" so i did that

trying to launch it again im stuck at 10k fps now

windows might have secretly nerfed it

[midnight sigil]

I don't think this triangle utilizes cuda cores

[olive sable]

even if it did it wouldnt matter

[midnight sigil]

yea it's cpu capped

[olive sable]

also doesnt all 3d acceleration (on nvidia) run on cuda behind the scenes?

you jsut dont program it in cuda

[midnight sigil]

at least my windows tells me your program is only using 3% cuda

[olive sable]

yep, cuz it aint doing shit

[midnight sigil]

and 100% compute_1, whatever that is

[opaque sigil]

tldr: no

[olive sable]

ok but like, then what else?

[opaque sigil]

graphics apis?

they're implemented by the driver

[olive sable]

i mean the physical stuff

it runs on cuda cores

im sorry for the confusion lol

[opaque sigil]

the name cuda core is kinda shit tbh

they're not bound to cuda, cuda is a level above what they would write to implement the graphic apis

[midnight sigil]

maybe tensor cores? wuh

[olive sable]

no

[midnight sigil]

for matrix transformation computing

[olive sable]

while vulkan does have support for ofloading shit onto the tensor cores, you generally dont do it much

[hollow spruce]

Someone says the tensor core ?

[midnight sigil]

unified shader cores

[olive sable]

ye but those unified shader cores are just the 10496 cuda cores on my 3090 no?

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[midnight sigil]

For example, the unified shader is referred as "CUDA core" or "shader core" on NVIDIA GPUs
they all come down to cuda cores

[opaque sigil]

at the end you're calling a function on a bunch of inputs, whether you do this in a general purpose manner via cuda or via specialised graphics apis doesn't really matter to the ones that end up executing it

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

[hollow spruce]

Bye my #### academic (i hate academic)
I will ask my Dad to my academic

[olive sable]

you do need to do some very specific stuff do do matmul with tensor cores instead of just localy
normally you jsut do mat1 * mat2

for tensor cores you need to do this whole ass thing

#version 450 core
#extension GL_KHR_memory_scope_semantics : enable
#extension GL_NV_cooperative_matrix : enable
#extension GL_EXT_shader_explicit_arithmetic_types_float16 : enable

#pragma use_variable_pointers

layout (local_size_x = 64, local_size_y = 1, local_size_z = 1) in;

layout(set = 0, binding = 0) coherent buffer Block {
    float y[1024*1024];
    float x[];
} block;

void main() {
    fcoopmatNV<32, gl_ScopeSubgroup, 16, 8> m = fcoopmatNV<32, gl_ScopeSubgroup, 16, 8>(0.0);

    m = m + m;
    m = m - m;
    m = -m;
    m = 2.0*m;
    m = m*2.0;

    coopMatLoadNV(m, block.x, 16, 128, false);
    coopMatStoreNV(m, block.x, 16, 128, false);
}

[opaque sigil]

they do be very particular about how you use them yup

(for good reason)

[olive sable]

i doubt it would be faster anyways for just a singular multiplication

since you need to transfer memory to it and such too

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

you'll need to move the memory around either way, unless you hate yourself i guess

[midnight sigil]

*literally all programmers in the world

[olive sable]

its just glsl, so normally you dont have to do much memory stuff yourslef

[sage crag]

mlem

[tender river]

bucket

[olive sable]

the next step of the vulkan triangle optimization is optimizing the shader binary

               OpCapability Shader
          %1 = OpExtInstImport "GLSL.std.450"
               OpMemoryModel Logical GLSL450
               OpEntryPoint Fragment %main "main" %outColor
               OpExecutionMode %main OriginUpperLeft
               OpSource ESSL 310
               OpSourceExtension "GL_GOOGLE_cpp_style_line_directive"
               OpSourceExtension "GL_GOOGLE_include_directive"
               OpName %main "main"
               OpName %outColor "outColor"
               OpDecorate %outColor Location 0
       %void = OpTypeVoid
          %3 = OpTypeFunction %void
      %float = OpTypeFloat 32
    %v4float = OpTypeVector %float 4
%_ptr_Output_v4float = OpTypePointer Output %v4float
   %outColor = OpVariable %_ptr_Output_v4float Output
    %float_1 = OpConstant %float 1
    %float_0 = OpConstant %float 0
         %12 = OpConstantComposite %v4float %float_1 %float_0 %float_0 %float_1
       %main = OpFunction %void None %3
          %5 = OpLabel
               OpStore %outColor %12
               OpReturn
               OpFunctionEnd

[hollow spruce]

Nai

[opaque sigil]

Have fun

[olive sable]

since getting linux my windows clock keeps getting unsynced

consisntently off by exactly an hour

sometimes 2

[hollow spruce]

Linux distro name ?

[olive sable]

cachyos

[hollow spruce]

Try auto sync

[olive sable]

cachyos isnt the problem here

its windows that keeps getting unsynced

also i broke my windows somehow, its locked to 10K fps untill i resize the window slightly

[hollow spruce]

Restart ure pc easy

[olive sable]

i did

[midnight sigil]

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/august-12-2025-kb5063709-os-builds-19044-6216-and-19045-6216-96d99cf6-f8b5-4798-9892-4e3eb8f11548
This win10 update will drop your storage device upon large I/O, and correlates to this win11 update:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/august-12-2025-kb5063878-os-build-26100-4946-e4b87262-75c8-4fef-9df7-4a18099ee294

classic microsoft

[olive sable]

what

[olive sable]

they're breaking win10 cuz they want to be a bitch on win11?

[tender river]

sam misvoted

[midnight sigil]

it was a security fix for win10

[tender river]

so nix actually got 45% votes

[olive sable]

i did?

[tender river]

which is still a lot for a single distro

[tender river]

you arent a nixos user to my knowledge

[olive sable]

ohhh, the poll was about which pc I am using, not konii

[tender river]

yesh its not a trivia question

[olive sable]

when i read the "on my pc" i didnt self-insert

[hollow spruce]

I will use windows 10 lts

No recommended on lts mode

[midnight sigil]

and the new Edge Game Assist thing hook onto your game, allocate 2000mb more ram and lag the game on an interval if you don't intentionally kill it in your process manager

[olive sable]

why lag the game on an interval?

[midnight sigil]

why do I know

maybe browser gc

[hollow spruce]

What ure uptime in WINDOWS

[olive sable]

a couple hours ussualy

[hollow spruce]

Mine was 4 days only doing hibernate mode

Since reset my pc now 18 hours

[midnight sigil]

Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2021 is affected by the update btw

[worldly panther]

YOOOOO
SATA'S ACTUALLY SPEAKING ENGLISH NOW LETS FUCKING GOOOO
-# sure its still nonsense BUT ITS ALMOST COHESIVE

"I hate that" is so real tho

[glad path]

lol

i need a full essay of that so much

just to randomly paste into gc's

[olive sable]

i got the profiler to work on windows so im gonna try that in a bit

first imma eat

[tender river]

i'm smort

[glad path]

fr

it is infact real

[worldly panther]

[amber fractal]

My phone was too far away and I saw "first imma cat"

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

car

chat what is the weirdest package manager

[amber fractal]

Nix tbh

programming to download stuff is a very weird concept

[glad path]

please do not the cat

[glad path]

uhhh
manually installing things and dependencies (aka no package manager)

[amber fractal]

Windows, good answer

[midnight sigil]

windows do have a package manager

it's winget

https://github.com/microsoft/winget-cli

[glad path]

macos

theres homebrew but

its not really official

and macports ithink

or whatever itscalled

[true hemlock]

[olive sable]

you're still 1st

[true hemlock]

not until 14900KS owners show up

maybe i should also try the macos

but only apple product i have is an ipad

maybe i coult rent a mac?

M4 max, $47 AUD per week

monkas

[olive sable]

dont rent shit for this stupid project lmao

also according to vani mac struggles for performance

probably cuz vulkan to metal conversion or soemthing idk

[glad path]

i spoofed my mac address and ip to imitate my doorbell

[opaque wharf]

Oh Sam, the things we do for shit and giggle

[midnight sigil]

that's quack smh

you're speaking names wrongly

[olive sable]

you mean to tell me the guy named KuShiro, with the word Shiro next to his name, is not shiro?

[midnight sigil]

quack's username is kushiro

[olive sable]

you're right

i didnt know

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

[amber fractal]

:SMH:

[nocturne olive]

That's obviously , just look at the bird

Anyway how the triangling going? Is Linux faster than Windows yet?

[true hemlock]

nope can't figure it out

[amber fractal]

-# Chat, I may start NN work again soon. I have some things I need to do before then but it's coming.

[true hemlock]

its odd, vulkan is supposedly faster in linux

i might wanna make a one click compiler for linux ngl

@nocturne olive can you try the triangle on windows

[amber fractal]

For the half of the linux users here, just include a nix shell

[nocturne olive]

1. I'm not local
2. I've fully switched over
3. my Windows install is dead
   -# Unless I use my remote laptop

[true hemlock]

also i suspected that nuking 80% of the vulkan lib actually makes most of the lib files recompiles and optimized from source hence an even faster performance

[true hemlock]

lmao fr

[nocturne olive]

technically if I SFTP over the file I can run it on my remote laptop, which has a UHD 620

[true hemlock]

yeah you can try

[nocturne olive]

I'm gonna need the file though

[true hemlock]

.

i still find it hard to believe that my es cpu performs really good at triangle lol

[nocturne olive]

So as it turns out my remote laptop lacks the headers for the C++ STD, who could have ever expected that

[glad path]

rip

[olive sable]

no

linux multithreadign sucks apparently

that and there might be a problem with the drivers

something to do with linux using mesa and windows having direct hardware

[nocturne olive]

Or maybe you just need to handle it differently

[olive sable]

idk how

[opaque wharf]

Do a funny and write custom kernel

[nocturne olive]

How is MSVC this massive? 2GB for a compiler? The remote machine only has 128GB total for Windows

And still no compile

This "portable" compiler sucks, it needs 40 billion things to already be installed and still complains after that

[hard raptor]

Would i be crazy for making a web-ui for ableton?

[nocturne olive]

I don't know what Ableton is

[hard raptor]

Music making program

[nocturne olive]

How silly

I hate MSVC now by the way
How has it downloaded 15GB of garbage and still not basic stuff like float.h that are required for the most basic hello world program??

I don't have the storage to be dealing with this on my remote machine

[hard raptor]

And then like optimize audio transfer between client and host using the QUIC Protocol

[nocturne olive]

@true hemlock I don't think this thing is running the triangle, I don't have the storage for all the garbage MSVC wants to install just to try to mabe get the basic float and string headers required

[hollow spruce]

11.00MiB

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[nocturne olive]

This thing has installed 15GB of garbage and still no float.h, string.h or any of the other ultra important things

This thing couldn't even run the basic hello world since iostream depends on float.h

[hollow spruce]

Wait i have gpp INSTALL in windows pc without wsl unit

[hollow spruce]

What was installing from the visual studio

[nocturne olive]

Not even Visual studio, this is all the compiler

[olive sable]

how do you have 15GB? i dont think i even use half as muchs torage for that

[nocturne olive]

MSVC just sucks that bad

[hollow spruce]

True

[nocturne olive]

And again, it still doesn't even have the most basic headers

So I can't even compile triangle

[hollow spruce]

Give me details to install all models ? If i can assist that

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[amber fractal]

huh? This isn't AI

Shoutout to discord for splitting a permission so one can finally pin messages without also having access to deleting other people's messages.

[hollow spruce]

I got free data yea

[nocturne olive]

What would I need that for?

[hoary lion]

newyork soon

im going to be the best programmer

trust

[violet harness]

whats the fastest and most effective way to learn python

[hoary lion]

fuck around

[amber fractal]

and find out

[hoary lion]

honestly basic syntax is like the easiest

[violet harness]

so if i fuck around and basic syntax im good to go?

[amber fractal]

It's one of the best starts you can get

[true hemlock]

just install gcc

[nocturne olive]

That also didn't come with the headers
Or I installed the wrong GCC

[glad path]

learn basoc shntax than play around and teach urslef concepts

It takes time lol

[true hemlock]

its weird though, clang++ should've already included all the headers by itself

[amber fractal]

Maybe one should learn english syntax

[true hemlock]

and i already packed clang++ in

i'll look into it

[glad path]

i can speak english im just mot used to mobile kb

[nocturne olive]

Not the executable alone though

[amber fractal]

True, mobile sucks to type on. Sounded a bit drunk there

[glad path]

I’m used to a physical laptop kb
I don’t have a phone (smh)
And ipads have wide screens

So add them together and its hard to accurately type without sacrificing speed

Still better than apple watch se tho

[amber fractal]

I still rely heavily on autocorrect to be anywhere near fast

[glad path]

Can’t type on that at all

[glad path]

I have autocorrect disabled

It’s usually an annoyance

[true hemlock]

let me try something

[amber fractal]

I've tried on a watch as well, did not end well at all

[glad path]

pov me taking 10 minutes to write the funniest joke to the group chat only to accidentally send it halfway through the punchline and ruin the entire operation

[amber fractal]

That's me forgeting shift + enter on discord desktop
Who'd ever forget you need to do that?

[nocturne olive]

And this is why I hate Windows, making things work is just impossible

[true hemlock]

try just running the prebuilt

while i try fixing it

[nocturne olive]

It runs at like 5300 FPS

Kinda SMOL

[true hemlock]

better than my laptop lmao

idk why it suck so bad on my laptop

[nocturne olive]

I assume Windows 11 sucks so bad

[true hemlock]

its not even old

isn't vani using win 11

[nocturne olive]

Unless it's 10 then I have no idea

[olive sable]

windows 11 is fine these days

[true hemlock]

its fine

[nocturne olive]

Didn't they just recently push an update that wipes disks?

[olive sable]

for some people yes

idk why

but iirc that also rolled out on win10

[nocturne olive]

Either way, I hate Windows, I hate MSVC, someone go tell Microsoft how to make a proper tech stack

MSVC doesn't even come with the headers to compile hello world and obviously can't run triangle

[olive sable]

aight, imma profile the trisangle and then go to bed

[nocturne olive]

I'm uninstalling this garbage

I need my little storage space back

[true hemlock]

i should probably make interactive .bat ngl

[nocturne olive]

This laptop only has 128GB for Windows and most of it is already used up

[true hemlock]

for the choice to also delete the whole thing that's only used for compiling after it compiled the triangle

[amber fractal]

My VR system in a nutshell

Windows gets one 128GB sata drive and that's it

[olive sable]

i think i may have bad news

lemme verify the facts beforehand tho

[nocturne olive]

Whar?

[olive sable]

i think the windows 70K fps stuff may be fraudulent. i need to research first tho

what renderdoc is showing isnt too promesing at least

either we arent doing drawcalls or renderdoc cant see them

[glass flower]

i need a second pair of eyes.. preferably someone who knows rust...
I've been trying to debug a issue that i've been having with a c++ to rust port for the past 2 days.. and i just can't figure it out.
https://gist.github.com/Adesii/3c574eabb151282832a90083669a558b
its a binary greedy mesher for a voxel game im making. but its not meshing the voxels correctly.... it works in the c++ version and i literally can't see a difference in the functionality between the two. yet they have drastically different outcomes..
im unsure if the hashmaps are just not being populated correctly or if the loops in the greedy mesher are wrong... i got no clue

[nocturne olive]

Maybe Windows doesn't accept drawing identical content as an update

[olive sable]

thats probably not it since that should be a decision on the vulkan side of things

but idk

[nocturne olive]

Well, Windows is Windows and it does odd stuff

[glass flower]

couldn't you add a bit of movement in the shader to check that?

but it does sound odd.. i don't think vulkan does that kind of stuff. if you render something its gonna render it

[olive sable]

i like how making it do 7 frames in lfight makes 7 of a bunch of diffrent objects

and quack was apprenlty making 4096 frames in flight

madman

[olive sable]

Draw calls: 1
Dispatch calls: 0
API calls: 6
API:Draw/Dispatch call ratio: 6

the frame statistics show one has happened so false alarm

but i guess renderdoc couldnt fit it on the timeline cuz of the frame only taking a couple microseconds to render???

[nocturne olive]

Maybe the one is rendering the trinalge and then it just skips rendering the rest of the times?

Or I don't understand what your thing means

I don't know

Figure out what it's messing up

[olive sable]

it does seem to make a new trianlge each frame

[nocturne olive]

But would Windows do something weird, see that the content is identical and tell the GPU to not refresh?

[olive sable]

well to be honest, i dont think thats possible withoutmaking it slower

cuz you only know the output once it has rendered ont he gpu in theory, and to check if its the same you'd have alreadty rendered it

[nocturne olive]

I really have no clue how Windows could actually be that much faster

[olive sable]

the only possebility is the diffrence in how it handles threading, or the vulkan api not going directly to hardware commands

[rare bramble]

windows and linux are pretty tied in most benchmarks that I have seen, linux maybe better in some productivity benchmarks.

there shouldnt be a huuuuge difference

[olive sable]

well there is

[nocturne olive]

Well the difference is like 60K FPS

[rare bramble]

ye, I have seen

[olive sable]

18K fps vs 72K fps ye

[rare bramble]

but like I dont see how the gap could be so large either

[nocturne olive]

I'm pretty confident Windows is messing something up, like could it somehow mess with the timings of when the frame count is checked?

How do you determine when to calculate FPS?

[olive sable]

the renderthread just does +1 to a value, and the control thread changes that to fps

renderhtread is uncapped, control thread does 20fps

[nocturne olive]

But how is the timing determined?

I hope not with sleep()

[olive sable]

like this

[nocturne olive]

Do you account for race conditions anywhere? If the render thread is constantly updating frame count, it could end up having just copied the frame count value as the FPS update thread updates it, adds 1 to the old value and pushes that to the frame count, counting two intervals of frames

[olive sable]

i dont account for race conditions at all

[nocturne olive]

Then we can't be sure if frame count is being race conditioned

The frame count could be showing corrupted values

[olive sable]

the only thing i have is

std::atomic<bool> running = true;
std::atomic<uint64_t> frameCount = 0;

but i dont think im using them correctly

atomic suppsoedly helps with race conditions between threads

[nocturne olive]

Hm

It should maybe help, not sure

Then it seems possible you have to look at the FPS update function in case that's being scheduled inconsistently by the Windows scheduler, causing it to miss the intervals

It's always possible it's making a syscall, Windows takes the thread and goes off doing other stuff, and only returns it a while later

[rare bramble]

this should be plenty enough for simple counting system

[olive sable]

even if it was scheduled inconsistently, the SDL_GetTicks() should still make the fps acurate

[rare bramble]

adding a mutex would destroy the performance

[olive sable]

true

well im done with all the info i na get out of renderdo

im trying nsight now

nsight takes a lot longer tho so im waiting on the results

40 seconds of "gameplay" is taking 5 min to compile the results of

this shit is using 6GB of ram for statistics and api calls

i lied its at 11GB now

[rare bramble]

oh damn

[olive sable]

"showing 466261 out of 466261 cpu frames" ah yes, i can see why now

oh i discoverd why it would start up in 10K fps and switched to 73K when resising.
i accidentally made them use the same core but they automatically switch when resizing the window apparenlty

ah yes, the windows NT kernel is givign us 3 microseconds of interupt

[nocturne olive]

I assume that's time-based interrupts

[glass flower]

im gonna flip... my binary mesher was working all this time. but my voxel array wasn't....

[nocturne olive]

I saw you set the thread priority to real time at some point
Tip about setting thread priority to real time: don't, it can literally lock up the entire system in a way where you will need to hard power-off the system to recover

[olive sable]

i have tried it but it didnt work out

[glass flower]

i put it on realtime... it did lag insanely but i was able to close the process. (tho the fps didn't update)

[olive sable]

first tim using it after reboot makes the system choppy, and after that it jsut behaves the same way as highest prioroty

so im geussing it just decides to not do real time after locking up

[nocturne olive]

It probably just doesn't give threads back to the kernel so the kernel is not able to update the window title bar

[midnight sigil]

put the triangle in windows bootloader so it doesn't get affected by windows fr

[faint sandal]

you can write it as a native application if you uh

Like dealing with only ntdll calls

which means software rendering only

[midnight sigil]

[serene briar]

I need image perms

gimme 🙏

[midnight sigil]

[serene briar]

https://tenor.com/view/t90ms-main-battle-tank-autocannon-rapid-fire-in-desert-foxtrot12-t90-t90ms-gif-7065133156463990553

wth

no embed perms

[serene briar]

i need to be active here

[opaque wharf]

Evil my oshi

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

how are we even supposed tog ive you those?

we're just programmers

it says that the profiler overhead is that tiny grey bar of 13 microseconds, but this was running at 3000fps instead of 72000 fps so its a bit more i think

[midnight sigil]

when did my #programming turn into #neurotic-neurons

[opaque wharf]

Lmao

[true hemlock]

@olive sable i figured something that might be a bit helpful

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

i didn't resize

and just hovered to taskbar

[midnight sigil]

I use win + tab previously

[true hemlock]

but once i resized it jumps to 90K+ ish

before resize

[olive sable]

you mean to fix it being stuck at 10K fps beofre resizing problem?

[midnight sigil]

cores

[true hemlock]

after resize

[olive sable]

i fixed that already, i made a stupid mistake in copying code for the multithreading

[true hemlock]

nah

[rare bramble]

Genuine Intel 0000

[true hemlock]

just might be helpful to figure out why windows gives way more fps for some reason

[olive sable]

hmmm

that is true

[midnight sigil]

how do you screenshot taskbar

I press win and they gone

[true hemlock]

prtsc

[olive sable]

is the program still running here? cuz your gpu went down form 100% to 24%

thats a bit sus

[true hemlock]

right, there's even difference in GPU load for some reason

[midnight sigil]

before resize

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

hmmm

[midnight sigil]

after resize

lmao

it went the other way around

[true hemlock]

i need to check GPUZ aswell

[olive sable]

ye i was putting both threads onto the same core by accident, resizing redistributes that for some reason

[true hemlock]

i think i might have an idea of what's going on

[olive sable]

no wait

hmmm

[true hemlock]

need to check first though

[olive sable]

im not sure anymore

[true hemlock]

hold on

[olive sable]

i was sure i fixed it beofre, but now it seems to not be fixed anymore

https://tenor.com/view/chesscom-chess-reply-reaction-ding-gif-14279798292640606137

[true hemlock]

before resize

[midnight sigil]

bro has a dirty taskbar

[true hemlock]

after resize

ah

yeah, figured out

[olive sable]

gpu clock goes down, memory clock plummets.

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

no i have them in the wrong order lmao

[true hemlock]

gpu clock goes up

[olive sable]

yes

mem clock too

[true hemlock]

and memory clock....

[midnight sigil]

memory clock looks like cpu capping issue

[true hemlock]

right, task manager measures utilization differently

my GPU draws more power after resize too

[midnight sigil]

seems reasonable

[true hemlock]

GPU load seem to go up

memory being that slow before resize tells me that it attempt to fill the SM on the GPU out really slowly, which then it just splits saturation between clocks

resizing seems to "refresh" something

[olive sable]

i thought it had something to do with the multithreadign but putting everything into a single thread doesnt fix it

[true hemlock]

it is 100% vulkan and shader thing, failing to utilize the GPU before that "refresh"

[olive sable]

its indeed refreshign something i guess

let me think about this for a sec

[true hemlock]

also

memory seem to fluctuate, not just be really that low

[nocturne olive]

On Linux the program stops rendering and responding to inputs instantly after resizing

[true hemlock]

okay i got an idea

roughly how much shader memory does this thing take?

because i had a suspicion that the low clock is probably related to the GPU's L2 cache, although that doesn't help our case lol

[olive sable]

vkAcquireNextImageKHR() or vkQueuePresentKHR() are both able to see that the window resized, and are able to report it as VK_ERROR_OUT_OF_DATE_KHR or VK_SUBOPTIMAL_KHR
in repsonse you ussualy rebuild the swapchain but here i dont.
the question becomes how vulkan behaves if you keep running it like this

[true hemlock]

that reminds me of one part of your code that handles something related to resizing...

[olive sable]

ye i deleted all the resizing stuff this morning

[true hemlock]

oh? have you pushed that to github?

[olive sable]

but its still there in old commits, just commented out mostly

only the very first commit handles resizing properly

[nocturne olive]

There's definitely nothing handling resizing, resizing on Linux just breaks all rendering
It stops rendering and I assume on Linux halts on the render call so the FPS goes to 0

[true hemlock]

hm

[olive sable]

i have an idea tho, im gonan take the VkResult result = function() from the previopusly mentioned functions to see if they actually keep rendering if the window resizied

[nocturne olive]

If Windows instead skips the render call when rendering errors out, that would explain the significantly increased FPS on Windows after resizing

[amber fractal]

Weird, must depend on what it is. My laptop had no issues scaling any of the binaries

[true hemlock]

it should still do, evident by my GPU actually having higher utilization after resizing

[amber fractal]

Also compiled from source

[olive sable]

ye windows doesnt either, but the problem is if vulakn peaces out after it resized

[olive sable]

that is true

[true hemlock]

dunno why it doesn't have such utilization before resizing though

making it full screen also does the same thing (with this one visual bug in the middle for some reason)

[nocturne olive]

If Windows responds to that by simlply skipping the Vulkan parts that would explain why it has issues

[olive sable]

ye

[true hemlock]

multiple

they seem to share the resources

[amber fractal]

Can confirm that one on KDE minus full black, last frame was a ghost and moved to top left

[amber fractal]

Hardcoded cpu cores mhm

[true hemlock]

resizing one

resizing both

so this isn't even related to CPU at all

[nocturne olive]

How Windows handles unhandled resizes on Vulkan contexts is the key here

[olive sable]

resizing activates VK_ERROR_OUT_OF_DATE_KHR

interesting

[amber fractal]

Does it forever stop drawing?

[olive sable]

im not sure

[amber fractal]

That's my guess personally, and whatever jank happens with the window happens

[nocturne olive]

Hmm

[amber fractal]

Temp RGB triangle for debugging

[amber fractal]

That supports my guess

[midnight sigil]

it's just sam didn't clear buffers idk

[olive sable]

it only clears the buffers when a new one is being rendered onto it

so thats normal

[amber fractal]

A war crime against those with epilepsy

[nocturne olive]

Yep, it's probably that

[amber fractal]

So we have the answer to what if you don't render the triangle

[olive sable]

ok so we cracked the case wide open and the 124000fps was fraudulent. so the higher gp clock comes from the gpu not rendering anytihng and judt presenting the already rendered framebuffer

[midnight sigil]

coming back to this and the error, I found your code accidentally created a double double bubble, which is not supposed to happen

[olive sable]

that would also explain there being 2 triangles here

[midnight sigil]

I just stared at the debugger for 30 mins lol

[olive sable]

ok so the only options i have is re-add framebuffer resizing handling at a small cost. or find a way to disable resizing completly

[amber fractal]

On windows only

[true hemlock]

time to nuke leaderboard

[olive sable]

on linux it jsut crashes apparenlty when resizing

[true hemlock]

try RGB triangle btw

[midnight sigil]

windows > linux

[opaque wharf]

My god, you're still debugging the compiler?

[olive sable]

u mena rgb as in it changes colours or its just diffrent colours?

[true hemlock]

change

[midnight sigil]

perhaps

[olive sable]

uhhhh

[true hemlock]

every single frame

[olive sable]

changing colours would mean addig uniform buffers

[opaque wharf]

Folks at #programming truly builts different

[nocturne olive]

Simply tell Windows that the window does not allow resizing, that is an existing property a window can have

[true hemlock]

full screen button also did the same thing lmao

[amber fractal]

Make it a compile flag mhm (or just override the const "#FF0000")

[nocturne olive]

Simply don't spawn the maximize button either

[amber fractal]

You'd just not be rendering the titlebar at all

good luck moving the window

[ivory plinth]

what are you guys doing

[olive sable]

ok so ill see what i can do about rgb triangle, but dont expect much

[amber fractal]

🔺

[nocturne olive]

You can render a title bar without a maximize button

[ivory plinth]

[nocturne olive]

The title bar is something the app explicitly requests on the create window call
The resize property is the same way

[amber fractal]

https://github.com/samvanmaele/very-fast-but-very-bad-code-vulkan

[true hemlock]

lmao

[amber fractal]

@ivory plinth should have pinged

[nocturne olive]

It's a bit silly but completely possible to just omit asking the Windows API for those entirely

[true hemlock]

(probably a bug)

[ivory plinth]

suddenly i feel like i want to run it

[olive sable]

either i have to spend a day or 2 on adding uniform buffers, or we choose between one of these variables

in int gl_VertexIndex;    // only present when targeting Vulkan
in int gl_InstanceIndex;  // only present when targeting Vulkan
in int gl_DrawID;
in int gl_BaseVertex;
in int gl_BaseInstance;

and base the colour of that

[nocturne olive]

When absolutely no Vulkan at all happens:

[midnight sigil]

apparantly, I might have implemented this wrongly and made it to create a double double bubble when the input is a:[10, 4] b:[3, 2](be aware of my bad code)

[ivory plinth]

i forgor
idk how

[olive sable]

nah none of these change per frame

[true hemlock]

just for good measure make it render red for like 5 second then start changing color

[ivory plinth]

oh

[true hemlock]

triangle

🔺

[nocturne olive]

the magical triangle

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, that does indeed break the spec lol

[nocturne olive]

It's so silly how #programming has just become "make the triangle go fast" simulator

[olive sable]

so rgb trianlg eno tpossible for now. ill try the sdl lock window stuff now tho

[amber fractal]

insert quack's not a virus zip file

[amber fractal]

Where are you going

[midnight sigil]

△-----------------

[nocturne olive]

Based on the area around the triangle not being updated, it's definitely not rendering

[midnight sigil]

tower

[nocturne olive]

If it was still rendering the triangle would still be normal in the area the default window takes up

[midnight sigil]

it's rendering, it's just not clearing previous buffers

do you perhaps play any source engine games?

it's like the null buffers

[olive sable]

ok so while the bug being fixed is cool and all, i only get 8K fps with multiple threads and 10K fps on a single thread now

bwaa

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

but ye now linux is faster since it wasnt cheating

[nocturne olive]

No, the vulkan presenting frames is just being halted

[true hemlock]

send me that

[olive sable]

i gitpushed it

[true hemlock]

aight

merged?

[olive sable]

ye

[amber fractal]

As dev very much intended

[olive sable]

yep

sadly no 6 digits anymore

[nocturne olive]

And so Linux was once again superior and everyone was satisfied

[true hemlock]

exactly

[midnight sigil]

I'm not

windows better

!!!11!!1

[olive sable]

nah

[nocturne olive]

Nah, Linux'd win

[olive sable]

since windows is slow and pathethic now imma go back to linux

brb

[true hemlock]

lets fucking goooooo

[ivory plinth]

so how does this leaderboard thing work

[nocturne olive]

Just run the thing, then show the score you get and state your hardware

[olive sable]

i have to edit it manually sadly

[opaque wharf]

Perfect first time project

[ivory plinth]

i3-8130U
UHD 620
also cachy

[opaque wharf]

Learn how to make discord bot that updates scoreboard with your submission

[ivory plinth]

peaked a bit higher tho

[nocturne olive]

[olive sable]

13K is respectable, certianly for that hardware

[true hemlock]

oh well

fps cuts in half

bad optimization smh my head sam

[olive sable]

you're still getting 50K even with the no resizing?

[true hemlock]

yeah

[olive sable]

on windows?

[true hemlock]

windows

[olive sable]

what

[true hemlock]

i need to try actually using nvme on nixos

brb gotta switch nvme

[olive sable]

[ivory plinth]

also i saw a ram column in the board

[true hemlock]

actually let me make clean and recompile

just for good measure

[nocturne olive]

Even without the insane advantage of not having to render the triangle still has insane hardware

[olive sable]

honestly i should have resizied the window while profiling to see what it would do

but im geussing it jsut completely ignored all vulkan comamnds tot he framebuffer in favour for jsut full throthle on refreshing the same buffer

[midnight sigil]

fixe 👍

this bug also exists in other arithmetic operations

[olive sable]

Your parcel will be delivered today between 14:43 and 15:43

[midnight sigil]

[ivory plinth]

lower while minimized

[olive sable]

could jsut be getting less priority

[ivory plinth]

almost 13k when apps open

[midnight sigil]

no errors, perfect

[true hemlock]

@ivory plinth what's your cpu

[ivory plinth]

i3-8130U

[true hemlock]

my 50K seems not right

hold on

seems about right now

[olive sable]

ye thats seems correcter

[midnight sigil]

correcter

[true hemlock]

im going to nuke windows leaderboard

[olive sable]

is that not a enlgish word? superlative of correct?

[true hemlock]

oh

wait

is that why my laptop is getting lower than 5K

because i didn't resize

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

it's more correct

[true hemlock]

@olive sable max score of yours?

[olive sable]

well, i cant get above 11K rn

i used to do 13K on windows if i made taskmanager kill everything on my system

[warped narwhal]

I wonder how that is, cause we have pretty similar pc's so I don't see what would stop you from getting higher

[olive sable]

idk either

mybe ram

[ivory plinth]

i should reboot into windows and try

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[warped narwhal]

what ram do you have? I'm using 4x16 @3600 cl16

[olive sable]

same

huh

i have 16-19-19-38 or some shit

[warped narwhal]

I'm on 16 19 19 36

[olive sable]

i dont really wanne opent he biuos rn so idk

[warped narwhal]

cachyos is bloated, confirmed!

[nocturne olive]

I have 2x32GB 3200 CL16, running at 3800 CL19

But I could get it down a bit to CL18 if I bothered to do that

Probably lower too

[true hemlock]

noted

[olive sable]

hmmm, i used to get 11K fps acording to my chat history here

on windows

but now im getting nearly 11K without killing everythin in task manager

[true hemlock]

Genuine Intel 0000 my beloved

[olive sable]

13K is probably psossible then

ok so now that we fixed the resize bug, is igpu prefered again?

[true hemlock]

gotta try

yeah imma try

[olive sable]

there is a commandline arg now for it

--use-igpu

[nocturne olive]

Though depending on what Windows is doing it might not work if Windows decides you only get the dGPU today

[true hemlock]

nope, way lower on iGPU

[olive sable]

if you're running it with makefile you need to do ARGS="--use-igpu"

[nocturne olive]

And on my system it definitely won't work either based on it not allowing to run on iGPU before

[true hemlock]

"way lower"

[olive sable]

i dont have an igpu so wouldnt matter anyways

[olive sable]

well this is still decent

[blissful geyser]

Can i post articles here

[warped narwhal]

30k on the most recent version

[olive sable]

if its programming related or something you can loosely link to it sure

[blissful geyser]

https://hackaday.com/2025/08/17/llama-habitat-continues-to-expand-now-includes-the-psp/

[olive sable]

not the psp

[blissful geyser]

It is programming and llm related

[olive sable]

i actually have a psp on my desk

lmoa

[blissful geyser]

Yep they managed to port llama2 on this old thing

AI on your psp

Insane

[true hemlock]

im still surprised how well this thing runs games

[warped narwhal]

scratch this, switching to gcc gave me 31k

[true hemlock]

aight

[olive sable]

gcc strats

[blissful geyser]

The fact that it can even run an LLM makes it a powerhouse that got underutilized

You could probably do more with it

[olive sable]

i dont have gcc on my linux

[true hemlock]

updated

[olive sable]

[true hemlock]

i wanna try CL11 on my nixos

see how much more FPS i could hit

[nocturne olive]

Interesting

Whose Linux score is the highest right now by the way?

I forgor

Oh yeah

The leaderboard

[olive sable]

its up

[nocturne olive]

About what I expected

just has too insane hardware

[olive sable]

[ivory plinth]

lmao

[nocturne olive]

Silly commit name

[true hemlock]

i murdered one of microsoft's background process

[olive sable]

oh ye updating the leaderboard also pushed my broken makefile

oops

[true hemlock]

@olive sablescore btw?

[olive sable]

im getting about 18230 on linux rn

so same as before

roughly 11K on windows

[true hemlock]

aight imma head to linux

i'll just

swap my nvme

[olive sable]

also, what did you even do to get that score of 50K before? cuz increasing the frames in flight makes it slower for me

[true hemlock]

it was actually faster with flames in flight 8

[faint sandal]

murder wininit.exe

it'll save you tons of resources

[true hemlock]

and for how i got 50K above, i don't fucking know i was even surprised when i do make run and it hit that kind of number

[faint sandal]

all the foreground processes will be killed

[true hemlock]

i did optimize CPU voltage curve and memory tweaks

that's all

[olive sable]

ye im already on pbo 3, im not gonna stress my cpu even more

[true hemlock]

time for nixos

[olive sable]

Pkilling discord makes my ram usage spike to 32gb for cashe???

[livid adder]

prolly a dumb question but what model was neuro trained on? ._____.

[olive sable]

What is it caching???

[olive sable]

We dont know i think

[rare bramble]

we dont know what model uses, probably some heavily customized open source model

[true hemlock]

not public

[warped narwhal]

I got 32k when setting to 8 frames in flight, you might be onto something

[true hemlock]

aight imma update your score

[olive sable]

Hmm, setting the core_id on both threads to the same number seems to be better for merformance

But it was already set to the same before by accident cuz i copy pasted the code without thinking

[true hemlock]

pc decided to not post again

fuck it

imma just use 2 ram slot

[olive sable]

ok so unless anyone else has ideas on how to make thei run faster, the currenct code is peak performace while stilla ctually rendering?

[true hemlock]

should be

god damn using only 2 sticks look ugly

might wanna get dummy stick just because my ocd is acting up

[olive sable]

People use fakes with rgb these days to fix that

I just use 4 sticks

Damn im really tired now

I think ill start actually implementing features again instead if optemizing. But not today

[true hemlock]

I FIGURED OUT WHY

my dram voltage is 1.2 instead of 1.35

[olive sable]

According to linux im also running 1.2V

[midnight sigil]

low-profile cpu cooler

SPELL: Spelling error - "const" is not a word. ahh yes, thank you, Visual Studio 2022

[rare bramble]

that's pretty funny

[nocturne olive]

Typical XMP is 1.35 I think. though seems to depend on the kit

[true hemlock]

wait you didn't know?

[midnight sigil]

no

[true hemlock]

its a surprisingly good cooler

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

well it can't properly cool my 14600KF

90C on 105W lmao

[scarlet arch]

Guys, prepare for something absolutely dumb we just discovered. So, turns out on Rust 1.87.0 and later (including nightly), a format string that is too long stops rustfmt from working.

So, here's our fucking solution

[true hemlock]

but somehow it does really well for my 13900

150W, 70C

[rough bloom]

certainly a bug of all time

[opaque wharf]

What the actual fuck lol

Does rust really hates improper solution to anything?

[scarlet arch]

I wasn't able to find the right issue yet. Otherwise I'd attach the screenshot

[scarlet arch]

most likely it's simply a minor bug, as this hasn't been an issue before

and, we have other files with the exact same code (except for this splitting), and those format correctly

but yeah, the original error formatting string was over 70 chars, and the moment we only gave it 70, suddenly everything worked again

[noble zodiac]

time to manually format your code as god intended

[sick owl]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/legal/mozilla-warns-germany-could-soon-declare-ad-blockers-illegal/

This seems totally unenforceable

[scarlet arch]

hahaha the fun part is, it doesn't just stop formatting this piece of code. it stops the whole file from being formatted. and rustfmt -v ... doesn't even show an error

[scarlet arch]

our government agency for like cyber stuff (BSI) even recommends ad blockers. I don't see how this goes through

[rare bramble]

The case stems from online media company Axel Springer’s lawsuit against Eyeo - the maker of the popular Adblock Plus browser extension.

Axel Springer says that ad blockers threaten its revenue generation model and frames website execution inside web browsers as a copyright violation.

lmao

companies training AI with copyrighted books and artworks completely diregarding the rights of the creator is fine, but blockin ad servers from sending garbage to your pc is now a copyright violation

[opaque wharf]

and frames website execution inside web browsers as a copyright violation.

website execution web browser. Hmmm, I wonder why is it called web browser

This is grounded in the assertion that a website’s HTML/CSS is a protected computer program that an ad blocker intervenes in the in-memory execution structures (DOM, CSSOM, rendering tree), this constituting unlawful reproduction and modification.

[scarlet arch]

are they this dumb

this would make my darkreader extension a copyright violation too

[opaque wharf]

Yes it will

They are technically correct in the sense that HTML and CSS is a copyrightable material

[scarlet arch]

oh boy do I love the enshittification of the internet....

[opaque wharf]

But the execution and modification of its in-memory representation remains to be solved

[rare bramble]

wouldnt it be comparable to ordering a painting and then doodling on the painting after you have bought it?

[scarlet arch]

yes, but I can buy a book in a store, it is copyrightable material, but then I can still draw around or rip out pages in the book as I like...

[scarlet arch]

see, same thing. hah

[opaque wharf]

This is where digital stuff analogy breaks down tbh

[scarlet arch]

probably

[opaque wharf]

I'm trying to ponder about it

[scarlet arch]

I just hope they find actual experts

[opaque wharf]

Can it be modeled as a compiler I wonder

Because even if the raw code representation IS a copyrighted material, the display / presentation can be anything

Because it is equally valid to render the HTML / CSS code as text

Hmm, modding games also falls under the same category

[hollow spruce]

Yes & no at same time

[opaque wharf]

I think I have pondered it enough. They cannot enforce how other program should interpret the HTML + CSS data

Unless they build their own HTML + CSS interpreter

Because otherwise, opening the HTML + CSS in text editor would also infringe their copyright since their representation differ

[scarlet arch]

soon we will enter the epoch of "render it on the server", but this time not with its original meaning, but instead actual rendered images that the browser just displays

[opaque wharf]

I would not mind that, people are already complaining browser is bloat, if it can be reduced to image viewer, why not

[scarlet arch]

I would complain. and don't get me started on blind people :D

[opaque wharf]

(ab)using alt text

Let them try in their futile effort lol

[noble zodiac]

you can always use gemini

[rigid snow]

flutter web

[noble zodiac]

cursed by your name for ever having suggested ggwave to me

[hexed grove]

hello #programming

does anyone know the default supported codecs on windows 95

[rigid snow]

[noble zodiac]

you cannot imagine how deep that rabbit hole is and its still not working reliably

[nocturne olive]

Probably WAV, no clue

[rigid snow]

wav is not a codec, pcm is

basically equivalent of bitmap for audio

[opaque wharf]

I don't think they have that many codecs in the old days. Probably some form of vorbis?

95 is 1995 right?

Vorbis is around 2000 IIRC so probably not hmm

[hexed grove]

avi with cinepak and pcm audio

😭

raw audio data

[opaque wharf]

You should look into more standard method of sending data through audio

Like in the old days of telephone modem

[rigid snow]

that’s going to be way more unreliable

like, astronomically

[noble zodiac]

its also going to take ages

[rigid snow]

it’s meant to be sent over telephone lines, not sound waves

[nocturne olive]

Well, codecs were extremely heavy for CPUs back in the day

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I didn't think of that lol

[slim marsh]

I feel impostor today and got cooked with a research project I have to submit like I said

[hexed grove]

hopefully this works

[opaque wharf]

So, I think the best way is to just make your own modulation

[slim marsh]

it should be machine learning related and I have to draft a research paper with a couple of peeps 1.5 years later

[hexed grove]

now i gotta get a 95 iso and install it on a vm

[opaque wharf]

I'd suggest learning typst rather than LaTeX

[hexed grove]

and then figure out networking because it never works

[opaque wharf]

Bro, what are you doing with windows95 if you needed to install it anyway?

[rigid snow]

the bitrate should be way, way more

[hexed grove]

im making a twitch proxy so you can watch twitch on... anything basically

with a web browser

do not start saying that this is false advertising because it wont run on your toaster

[nocturne olive]

Note that browsers on 95 do not support opening modern sites

[rigid snow]

streaming pcm

[hexed grove]

http/1

[opaque wharf]

Will it run on my STM32F103?

[hexed grove]

no ssl

no nothing

[rigid snow]

ssl is overhead

[hexed grove]

html might have to worry about

because im unsure where to get docs on earlier versions

[opaque sigil]

I sure would hope you're not using ssl in 2025

[opaque wharf]

This is getting closer to reality

[uneven pulsar]

yeah ssl is a waste of everything just use regular http

[hexed grove]

yep

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1407026571407265803/3dgifmaker57172.gif

[opaque wharf]

twitch proxy so you can watch twitch on... anything basically

actual rendered images that the browser just displays

[rigid snow]

everything https is handled by reverse proxies nowadays anyway, nobody implements any of it themselves

[opaque wharf]

I imagine the client would need to support it too

And that is the bigger issue than the server

[rigid snow]

all i’m saying is there’s nothing to even think about here, just don’t do https

if you need it it’s included with nginx or whatever you’re using

[hexed grove]

flask

[rigid snow]

flask is the server

you put it behind a proxy and you have https handled

transparent to your app

[opaque wharf]

We should have a dedicated cursed project thread here in #programming

[true hemlock]

i fucking hate the usb nixos

and the installer in it

[opaque sigil]

Hm?

[hexed grove]

i spent 5 minutes attempting to figure out why qemu woulnt run

found out i didnt have it installed

😭

[void haven]

real

[somber vine]

can we use python instead of css
like I mean streamlit or taipy

[true hemlock]

holy fuck

[worldly plank]

CSS as in Cascading Style Sheets?

[true hemlock]

everytime i tried using the nixos installer, it either froze the WHOLE system, stuck at 46%, randomly fails then refuses to wanna work with partitioning my ssd, whatever all the random problems

NOT a single time it wanna work

NIXXXXXX

NIIIIIIIXXXX

[nocturne olive]

Ask Elvyn for help

[true hemlock]

AND THEN BOOTING THAT USB SHIT TOOK SO FUCKING LONG

FOR SOME REASON

[nocturne olive]

USBs are slow

[true hemlock]

ITS NIX

ITS SUPPOSED TO BE QUICK

IDK HOW MANY TIMES I HAD TO FORCEFULLY KILL IT BY CUTTING OFF POWER

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

IT WAS USED TO BE QUICK

[somber vine]

yeh bro

css

[nocturne olive]

I wouldn't exactly expect a system that rebuilds itself for every installed application to be the fastest thing ever

[sage crag]

have you tried manually installing

[true hemlock]

yes

[somber vine]

ok

[true hemlock]

and it refused to work

[somber vine]

skill issue

[sage crag]

no drawback on runtime performance, its a onetime cost every time you rebuild

[true hemlock]

either my nvme is somehow fucked

or something else

[sage crag]

not that you have to rebuild to install

[sage crag]

erf

[somber vine]

buy a new nvme

[nocturne olive]

Or maybe Nix doesn't like your weird CPU

[true hemlock]

maybe

[sage crag]

should be the same as other linux distros, they all use the same firmware

[somber vine]

try to run a VPS

and check

oracle cloud maybe

it has an always free tier

[sage crag]

[true hemlock]

????

[sage crag]

run a vps on your nvme

[true hemlock]

you might be onto something