programming

[olive sable]

i think ye

86370

[midnight sigil]

I'll die faster when I see these not being packed into a variable

[olive sable]

dont worry about it

[midnight sigil]

also use := instead of =

[true hemlock]

should i keep old scores like my linux scores

[olive sable]

why?

[olive sable]

i think only keep them if its a difrent system?

[midnight sigil]

more performance-wise
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4879592/whats-the-difference-between-and-in-makefile

[olive sable]

hmm

ok

not now tho

[hollow spruce]

I can't survive that because I'm still class 7 am to 2:30 pm

[true hemlock]

@olive sable can you run yours and tell me your peak

[olive sable]

aight gimme a sec to go to windows

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

also what's your windows

[midnight sigil]

thank god I don't have to build llvm myself and encounter more errors

[nocturne olive]

We need to figure out a way to make Linux be faster again

[sage crag]

pc-windows-mscv

[nocturne olive]

There shall be no test that Linux loses to Windows

[olive sable]

i remeber seein an 8 once, but now its doing 69841

[true hemlock]

# Leaderboard (Linux)

| # | Name     | FPS    | OS            | CPU              | GPU                      | RAM                               |
|---|----------|--------|---------------|------------------|--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
| 1.| Quack    |  52958 | Linux NixOS   | 13900 (ES Q0L4)  | RTX 4070 Super           | 4x16GB DDR4-3600C19 @3200MT/s C14 |
| 2.| superbox |  35600 | Linux Mint    | 12700K           | RTX 4070 TI              | 2x32GB DDR4-3200C16 @3800MT/s C19 |
| 3.| Iggly    |  30573 | Linux CachyOs | Z1 Extreme       | AMD Phoenix              |
| 4.| Shuni    |  27158 | Linux NixOS   | 7950X            | AMD Raphael (integrated) |
| 5.| konii    |  23141 | Linux NixOS   | 7600X            | AMD raphael (integrated) | 2x16GB DDR5-5200C30 @6000MT/s C30 |
| 6.| Prism    |  22809 | Custom        | HP Prime G2 RevD | (Graphing Calculator)    |
| 7.| Iggly    |  18677 | Linux CachyOS | i7-1260p         | Xe Graphics (integrated) |
| 8.| Sam      |  18153 | Linux CachyOs | 5950x            | RTX 3090                 |
| 9.| toast    |  17000 | Linux NixOS   | 5900x            | RTX 5070 ti              |
|10.| unkomp   |   9458 | Linux Arch

# Leaderboard (Windows)

| # | Name     | FPS    | OS            | CPU              | GPU                      | RAM                               |
|---|----------|--------|---------------|------------------|--------------------------|-----------------------------------|
| 1.| Quack    | 124130 | Windows 10    | 13900 (ES Q0L4)  | RTX 4070 Super           | 4x16GB DDR4-3600C19 @3200MT/s C16 |
| 2.| Vanyilla |  86370 | Windows 11    | 9950X            | RTX 4090                 |
| 3.| Adesi    |  74199 | Windows ??    | 5950X            | RTX 4080                 |
| 4.| Sam      |  72349 | Windows ??    | 5950X            | RTX 3090                 |

# Leaderboard (MacOS)

| # | Name     | FPS    | OS            | CPU              | GPU                      |
|---|----------|--------|---------------|------------------|--------------------------|
| 2.| Vanyilla |  6034  | MacOS         | M4 Pro           | -                        |

oh i got 124K on peak

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

72349

windows got done with the startup tasks

[nocturne olive]

Windows startup is annoyingly latent
On Linux once it's up it's all loaded up

[sage crag]

124k

[true hemlock]

fr

[olive sable]

aight im going to bed now, gonna dream about the frames

[sage crag]

i will figure out a way

[true hemlock]

time to try on my threadripper :)

[nocturne olive]

To make Linux faster?

[olive sable]

im gonna try ot use a profiler tomorrow to see why its faster on windows

we'lls ee

i downloaded intel vtune

[nocturne olive]

What's that?

[true hemlock]

btw

ram does matter

especially latency and cas timing

[nocturne olive]

Interesting

[true hemlock]

ssd doesn't matter lol

[nocturne olive]

I wonder how much more I would get if I lowered my timings then
I know for certain all timings reduced by 1 is stable

[true hemlock]

you can try

[sage crag]

even just for general compute ram is a huge bottleneck on am5

[olive sable]

I have cl18 so not too great

[true hemlock]

@olive sable i think we need to separate windows and linux scores ngl

[olive sable]

Maybe for the best ye

[true hemlock]

i just forced my system to run CL16 despite the ram being rated at 19

....on 4 sticks

god i fucking love ddr4

[sage crag]

they do use different frame presentation methods

[olive sable]

You can do that on intel, but my amd would jump off a southbridge

[nocturne olive]

Doing so would go from 3800 CL19 to 3800 CL18

[nocturne olive]

3200 MT/s?

If so that's linear

Or not

I calculated with the wrong base speed

It would be about 1 tick under linear from 3600 rated speed

Either way, I wonder how low I could get my timings

Does anyone know good memory stress-testing software for Linux?

[sage crag]

compile chromium

[midnight sigil]

wot

[true hemlock]

hmmmm

[nocturne olive]

I mean one that's actually designed for testing memory and knows to check for errors
Also Chromium compile sounds like more of a compute benchmark

[sage crag]

looks like 32 bit libs were pulled in

[nocturne olive]

I need a stress-test that runs for a couple hours straight

[true hemlock]

yeah

unfortunately my 13900 is locked to 3200MT/s

[sage crag]

at 120gb of source, it is very much a full machine workload

[nocturne olive]

Downside of a non-K CPU I guess

[nocturne olive]

That's actually crazy

But I need something more controlled

[olive sable]

0.008056 ms per frame. 8.056 µs. 8056 ns

When you have to start counting in ns you know shit is insane

Anyways goodnight

[true hemlock]

superbox what's your ram model

[true hemlock]

just few magnitudes away from GDDR6X latency lmao

[olive sable]

Just a few

[true hemlock]

@nocturne olive

[sage crag]

i hage uh

[nocturne olive]

This

[true hemlock]

gotcha

[sage crag]

2x16gb ddr5 or something

[glad path]

I feel like this channel is the most isolated from the rest of the server ngl
Might as well be its own server even

[nocturne olive]

But overclocked to 3800 CL19

[sage crag]

cas latency is probably 30 or something since ddr5

[true hemlock]

@glad path what's your graphing calculator lol

[true hemlock]

speed?

[glad path]

HP Prime G2
Hardware revision D

[sage crag]

i think i was running at 5200mhz

not always though, it boosts because expo

[glad path]

Add a graphing calculator section lol

[sage crag]

my motherboard supports up to 5600mhz but i dont want to push it

[glad path]

/srs

[sage crag]

when you can get vulkan running on a ti-84

[glad path]

I dont own a ti84

Also my calculator can run c but the firmware doesnt give you that option 😭

Theres no custom firmware for it unfortunately

[sage crag]

awa

[true hemlock]

# Leaderboard (Linux)

| # | Name     | FPS    | OS            | CPU              | GPU                      | RAM                                |
|---|----------|--------|---------------|------------------|--------------------------|------------------------------------|
| 1.| Quack    |  55273 | Linux NixOS   | 13900 (ES Q0L4)  | RTX 4070 Super           | 4x16GB DDR4-3600C19 @ 3200MT/s C14 |
| 2.| superbox |  35600 | Linux Mint    | 12700K           | RTX 4070 TI              | 2x32GB DDR4-3200C16 @ 3800MT/s C19 |
| 3.| Iggly    |  33191 | Linux NixOS   | i7-1260p         | Xe Graphics (integrated) |
| 4.| Semicolon|  32100 | Linux Arch    | 5950x            | RX 6800 XT               | 4x16GB DDR4-3600C16 @ 3600MT/s C16 |
| 5.| Iggly    |  30573 | Linux CachyOS | Z1 Extreme       | AMD Phoenix              |
| 6.| Shuni    |  27158 | Linux NixOS   | 7950X            | AMD Raphael (integrated) |
| 7.| konii    |  26364 | Linux NixOS   | 7600X            | AMD raphael (integrated) | 2x16GB DDR5-5200C30 @ 6000MT/s C30 |
| 8.| Prism    |  22809 | Custom        | HP Prime G2 RevD | (Graphing Calculator)    |
| 9.| Sam      |  18230 | Linux CachyOs | 5950x            | RTX 3090                 |
|10.| toast    |  17000 | Linux NixOS   | 5900x            | RTX 5070 TI              |
|11.| Assist   |  13037 | Linux CachyOS | i3 8100U         | UHD 620                  |
|12.| unkomp   |   9458 | Linux Arch

# Leaderboard (Windows)

| # | Name     | FPS    | OS            | CPU              | GPU                      | RAM                                |
|---|----------|--------|---------------|------------------|--------------------------|------------------------------------|
| 1.| Quack    |  21589 | Windows 10    | 13900 (ES Q0L4)  | RTX 4070 Super           | 4x16GB DDR4-3600C19 @ 3200MT/s C16 |
| 2.| Vanyilla |  13531 | Windows 11    | 9950X            | RTX 4090                 |
| 3.| Sam      |  11000 | Windows ??    | 5950X            | RTX 3090                 |
| 4.| Adesi    | RETAKE | Windows ??    | 5950X            | RTX 4080                 |
| 5.| Caibi    | RETAKE | Windows ??    | 14700F           | RTX 4060                 |
| 6.| Quack    | RETAKE | Windows 10    | TR 3990X 64 core | 2x TITAN V + K80 24GB    | 8x32GB DDR4-3200C16 @ 3200MT/s C16 |

# Leaderboard (MacOS)

| # | Name     | FPS    | OS            | CPU              | GPU                      |
|---|----------|--------|---------------|------------------|--------------------------|
| 1.| Vanyilla |  6034  | MacOS         | M4 Pro           | -                        |

[sage crag]

quack what is up with your machine

[true hemlock]

guess we doin MacOS aswell

[glad path]

[true hemlock]

Prism's random graphing calculator in the list is never gonna be not funny

[glad path]

Ill try and get it running on my m3 tmrw

[true hemlock]

im tempted to get rev design/ES mac just for this ngl

[sage crag]

youre about 1.4x faster than #2 on linux and 1.5x faster than #2 on windows

[olive sable]

Has x11 been tried yet?

[sage crag]

oh wait

[true hemlock]

remember chat, i did record and even stream my fps so i ain't lying about it

[sage crag]

this makes me thing the reason linux is getting low frames is because its doing vsync

[true hemlock]

nah

[glad path]

TI is inconsistently capitalized

[sage crag]

wayland will present every frame you give to it

[glad path]

._.

[true hemlock]

huh

[sage crag]

x11 will just skip frames it doesnt care about

[rough bloom]

my score is technically using X11
the SDL Wayland driver was slower than going through XWayland

not Xorg though

[true hemlock]

shuni try windows

[sage crag]

yeah wayland only has non-vsync rendering on fullscreen apps and xwayland

[rough bloom]

no

[glad path]

If only we could make it use the metal backend fir macos

[rough bloom]

never

[sage crag]

meow

[olive sable]

Hmmm

Is that a good or a bad thing?

[true hemlock]

looking at the scores

[midnight sigil]

and I have no idea which ones

[sage crag]

its nuanced

[true hemlock]

i wonder if sam's code benefits intel more

somehow

[olive sable]

Might just be the memory controller tbh

[sage crag]

i will try running it in x11 next time

[true hemlock]

if its running on a set profile it shouldn't matter

especially when the only intel entries are all ddr4 lol

[sage crag]

i did say it was a memory throughput and latency benchmark

[nocturne olive]

Mine is X11

[true hemlock]

in throughput the ddr5 folks would've won easily

in latency it'll be on par

[sage crag]

this is true

[sage crag]

these days?

i thought ddr5 latency was still way worse than ddr4

[true hemlock]

CAS timing yeah, but real world no

[olive sable]

It mostly is iirc

[true hemlock]

6000MT/s on CL30 is like 10ns

3200MT/s on CL16 is also 10ns

[sage crag]

oh right the frequency plays a role

[olive sable]

Oh ye

[sage crag]

iirc latency is also more impactful on ddr5 than ddr4

[olive sable]

I have 3600 cl 18, so about the same. But 4 sticks so bad

[true hemlock]

ehh

4 sticks ddr4 are great

[sage crag]

trying to get 1 large stick is hard

[glad path]

How hard would it be to use metal backend for macos

[sage crag]

4 sticks ddr5

[sage crag]

pretty hard since sam only wrote vk

[true hemlock]

i overclocked mine to up to 4200MT/s, 4 sticks, when im still on a 14600KF

ddr4 doesn't give any fucks about 2dpc for some reason

but ddr5 is so picky

[olive sable]

4 on amd is asking for trouble

[sage crag]

locality bwabwabwa

[glad path]

Wait should I rewrite my code to use the hpprime micropython implementation

[true hemlock]

@faint sandal is living witness lol

his ddr5 4 sticks ran on 3000MT/s

[sage crag]

om

[rare bramble]

what

[nocturne olive]

Mine instantly stops posting when trying 4000 MT/s

[true hemlock]

yeah 😭

3000MT/s

[sage crag]

ddr4 from 2018

[true hemlock]

except with twice as bad in latency

[nocturne olive]

So 3800 MT/s is my absolute maximum frequency

[olive sable]

I rma'd my 2ndhand ram cuz of memory errors, but months later i thought it might have just been the mem controller.

[true hemlock]

intel's IMC is for some reason really good

[olive sable]

It is ye

[true hemlock]

i've seen 4400MT/s ddr4 on a 10th gen intel before

let me find

[nocturne olive]

Still not bad for being rated for 3200
I guess +600 MT/s is a typical DDR4 overclock headroom if 3600 went up to 4200

[sage crag]

i guess intel was just improving their memory controller when they had market dominance

lol

[warped narwhal]

check your motherboards manual, sometimes they list the maximum memory speed when running 1 or 2 dimms per channel with 1 or 2 ranks per dimm

[olive sable]

Ok i need to actually sleep now

[warped narwhal]

an example from the motherboard I use

[nocturne olive]

I don't know if it would say that, it's an AsRock Z690 PG Riptide

[warped narwhal]

here it is for your motherboard

[faint sandal]

whomst

yes i can't go above stock 3600 mts

[sage crag]

wjat

you are 11:35 right

[true hemlock]

my dealer's bench

[sage crag]

in the morning

[true hemlock]

4900MT/s on a 10700KF

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

Well, I already knew that
Definitely my RAM sticks being the limiter and not the motherboard

[true hemlock]

mf got 4900MT/s ddr4 cl16 and 7.1GHz on their 10700KF

😭

i wonder if that'll be enough to beat my scores

did a pull req for sam

[rigid snow]

you should be able to swap vulkan for moltenvk

[sage crag]

sam is using volk

for his vulkan loader

[rigid snow]

oh yeah right

[sage crag]

not sure how compatible they are

volk is probably just thin bindings so many it would work

[nocturne olive]

I should remember to tune my timings back to how they should be at some point

[true hemlock]

if the 7950x ES somehow got second place then sam's code is 100% favoring for ES models for some reason

[nocturne olive]

And probably tune them more but I need Linux stress-testing software

Also I want to overclock my CPU but I also need a stress-test and benchmark for that and Cinabench from what I know has no Linux build last I checked

[true hemlock]

which i kind of partially suspected and i dunno why

[true hemlock]

passmark

3Dmark

idk

right i should try more benchmarks

[nocturne olive]

I need to find one that works on Linux

PassMark is out because paid

[true hemlock]

3D mark definitely be confused of what the fuck is my cpu

[midnight sigil]

quack may you share your makefile for sam's triangle thing

I'm so stuck on the linker

[true hemlock]

ok hold on

[nocturne olive]

3DMark paid as well?

[true hemlock]

you can use 3Dmark demo

[nocturne olive]

Does it work indefinitely?

[true hemlock]

@midnight sigil

[nocturne olive]

I don't like using limited time trials

[true hemlock]

its not limited time

[nocturne olive]

Cool, I can work with that then

[true hemlock]

just limited features, and demo features is all you needed

[nocturne olive]

Oh it's also not for Linux

[true hemlock]

you can get it from steam?

[nocturne olive]

That doesn't make it Linux native, it'll just run on Proton and lose some perfromance from overhead

[hollow spruce]

Finally I'm free now time some coding

[midnight sigil]

yea no

it's my issue then

[true hemlock]

odd

[hollow spruce]

Visual code studio ☠️

[true hemlock]

do you already have SDL3 and vulkansdk?

[midnight sigil]

yep

C:/VulkanSDK/1.4.321.1/
C:/SDL3-3.2.20/

[hollow spruce]

U use gpp in windows still good then visual code studio

[nocturne olive]

Are you building for X86 (32-bit) with the IDE?

[midnight sigil]

I'm building with make

it's no buisness with the ide

[nocturne olive]

How odd

[true hemlock]

LMFAOOOOO

[midnight sigil]

the error occurs with "C:\\Program Files\\LLVM\\bin\\lld-link" -out:output/release/vulkan.exe -defaultlib:libcmt -defaultlib:oldnames "-libpath:C:\\VulkanSDK\\1.4.321.1\\Lib" "-libpath:C:\\SDL3-3.2.20\\lib\\x64" "-libpath:C:\\Program Files\\LLVM\\lib\\clang\\20\\lib\\windows" -nologo output/release/main.o output/release/vk_frames.o output/release/vk_command.o output/release/vk_device.o output/release/vk_sync.o output/release/volk.o vulkan-1.lib SDL3.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winmm.lib imm32.lib ole32.lib oleaut32.lib version.lib uuid.lib advapi32.lib setupapi.lib shell32.lib dinput8.lib

[true hemlock]

try removing the x86 and make it only use x64

[midnight sigil]

LLVM 20.1.7 (x86_64-pc-windows-msvc) btw

[rare bramble]

never got so deep into c / c++ that I needed make, but reading the makefiles gives me an aneurysm

[hollow spruce]

https://youtu.be/xyMeUef0s0Y?si=160aKq-c4QDokaFh

[true hemlock]

@midnight sigil

[midnight sigil]

I know what a linker is

there's no x86 libs in the vulkansdk, and I removed x86 libs in sdl3

same errors

[hollow spruce]

@midnight sigil try hard

[true hemlock]

huh

[nocturne olive]

Wrong VulkanSDK?

[midnight sigil]

nope

[hollow spruce]

Library Version Mismatch
Missing Files:
Incorrect Paths

[true hemlock]

i had the idea with making caibi using .bat instead for debugging purposes

hold on

[hollow spruce]

Location ure gpu driver files

[midnight sigil]

nope
nope
nope

[true hemlock]

try getting your own clang++

[midnight sigil]

aka I build my own llvm?

[opaque sigil]

I think you're accidentally using the visual studio clang

[true hemlock]

that

so yeah

[midnight sigil]

I only have LLVM clangs

I can specify llvm path hold

[hollow spruce]

Use gpp library

[midnight sigil]

omg free mone

[midnight sigil]

wait no it's not clang's problem

it's the linker's problem

[nocturne olive]

3DMark just does not run on Linux at all

[glad path]

Embed fail spotted

Message deleted tho

[nocturne olive]

I think I finally found some benchmark tool that has a Linux build

[amber fractal]

It's called triangle

[nocturne olive]

No actually

I wanted an actual one I can use for stress testing and stability testing stuff

And just comparing performance

[true hemlock]

iggly have you seen the new leaderboard

[amber fractal]

I believe a program called stress might do what your looking for

[nocturne olive]

Huh?

[midnight sigil]

wdym by use gpp library

[nocturne olive]

Where does one get such?

[amber fractal]

A bit of backreading, windows meta is real

[true hemlock]

😭

[nocturne olive]

Wher get?

[amber fractal]

I wish it wasn't real

[true hemlock]

@amber fractal btw what's your ram stick

[amber fractal]

sudo apt-get install stress

[nocturne olive]

Oh great, it's on apt

[amber fractal]

I mean it is elsewhere

[hollow spruce]

I'm on mobile still rendering
FPS: 314.018
FPS: 311.065

[amber fractal]

I just picked apt

[true hemlock]

what phone/processor?

[midnight sigil]

it's not

[amber fractal]

Don't know off the top of my head

[midnight sigil]

I messed 6 hours on it and I can't even build it

[amber fractal]

Calculator (real)

[true hemlock]

what's the error now

[hollow spruce]

2.4 ghz

[midnight sigil]

you guessed it

[amber fractal]

I'm glad I got builds at all tbh

[true hemlock]

actually

@midnight sigil you want the windows build?

hold on

[amber fractal]

One of these is Legion GO, not upgradable anyways. Will have to grab laptop

[amber fractal]

I'll take it as well for windows testing

[hollow spruce]

Let me check the text to recognize in my phone

[midnight sigil]

it's not long term though, I want to modify the code

[opaque wharf]

What has Sam done to this channel

[true hemlock]

this one has a prebuilt, just extract and cd your way to the folder and run with .\output\release\vulkan.exe

do not cd to the release folder, doesn't work that way lol

[amber fractal]

Triangle

🔺

[true hemlock]

Triangle

🔺

[nocturne olive]

Uhh, the stress thing doesn't work
It just crashes and makes Steam completely freak out

[true hemlock]

lmao

[amber fractal]

I could have never seen this coming

[nocturne olive]

Do you know other more functional tools?

[amber fractal]

stress works for me, don't have anything else.

[true hemlock]

i wonder if this works blackbox

need to try

hold on

[nocturne olive]

What command did you use?

[opaque wharf]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Stress_testing

So, maybe mprime is the alternative

[amber fractal]

I was stress testing cpu, so stress -c 12

[true hemlock]

this one you just need to run triangle.bat
(this one is compiled on an engineering sample CPU, might not be optimized for everyone unless if you have a 13th ES)

[nocturne olive]

Oh apparently it just could not handle 8GB of memory

It works with 1GB

[amber fractal]

Why is discord only warning me on this one

[true hemlock]

oh this one work universally

[midnight sigil]

buh I can't do triangle funny with safe mode

[nocturne olive]

I did also find out that one of the tools I used for stress-testing on Windows has ported to Linux, so that's helpful as well

[amber fractal]

Chat, I feel like the goal in life should be a 1M fps triangle

[warped narwhal]

damn, I guess I'm going to have to fight this code to get it to work

[amber fractal]

Debug doesn't exist mhm

[tender river]

mreow

[warped narwhal]

maybe compiling sdl3 from source is not the best option

[midnight sigil]

[warped narwhal]

nice

[midnight sigil]

let me try to install a mini windows

[true hemlock]

my threadripper got 32K lol

[nocturne olive]

SMOL

[midnight sigil]

I mean, sam's triangle only uses 2 cores

[true hemlock]

sam smh

[nocturne olive]

Maybe GPU limited with the Titan V?

[true hemlock]

unoptimized as fuck

no lol

[true hemlock]

make sure power plan is set to performance

i need to try on my 125H laptop lmao

[true hemlock]

should i make a one click compile version

[midnight sigil]

can it compile on my pc

[true hemlock]

i'll try lol

[amber fractal]

That'd help to get more datapoints

for those who are wanting to tinker

[true hemlock]

yeah

easier to get everyone's score aswell

i'll bundle sdl3, clang++ and vulkansdk

[opaque wharf]

Vulkan SDK?

[true hemlock]

good luck

but i think its worth it for people that doesn't wanna bother getting vulkansdk and sdl3

[nocturne olive]

I'm gonna do a real quick silly test with all components on max load to see the temps

[opaque wharf]

@sage crag look what happens because you mention statically linking vulkan

[opaque sigil]

May as well just bundle vcpkg

[true hemlock]

[opaque wharf]

The prophecy

[true hemlock]

1.61GB

holy fuck

[nocturne olive]

Seems like

• 3090: 80 C
• 4070Ti :90 C
• CPU: 90 C
  When all components are fully under load

[amber fractal]

it has come full circle

[nocturne olive]

Is this good or absolutely terrible?

[opaque sigil]

Good? No. Okay? As long as they're not throttling

[nocturne olive]

It'll only rarely get that bad anyway, usually the 3090 won't be running max when the other two are and the other way around

[opaque sigil]

Then it's probably fine, this is a worst case after all

[nocturne olive]

Since the 3090 is only there for compute workloads and the other two are for all the other stuff

Mainly ML is what the 3090 does

So barely ever used

[midnight sigil]

will win10 faster than win11

I'll just go ahead and try some tiny windows ngl

[rare bramble]

there was some weird issue with win11 being slower than win10 some time ago but I think it got fixed

you could see this in some game bench marks

[true hemlock]

lmao it fucking worked

[amber fractal]

[true hemlock]

just gotta optimize the size

oh

[amber fractal]

Best of luck

[true hemlock]

400MB

not bad

[amber fractal]

Discord upload limit is only 100MB

[true hemlock]

i gotta try it out though

[true hemlock]

nitro

[amber fractal]

That is the nitro limit

[true hemlock]

but yeah targetting 100MB or lower

[amber fractal]

plebs are at 10MB and it bothers me to no end

mainly with photos

[true hemlock]

right you don't even need the vulkan binaries

[nocturne olive]

No, the nitro limit is 500MB

100MB is the boosted server T3 limit

[amber fractal]

bwaa

[rare bramble]

just send files in chunks

[amber fractal]

If you don't have vulkan, you ain't running it anyways

[midnight sigil]

does the executable work with x86(32-bit)

[true hemlock]

you only need vulkan-1.dll afaik

[opaque wharf]

You just realized?

[true hemlock]

for runtime

i nuked the vulkan bin and its still 400MB

the compressed file

[nocturne olive]

I guess Vulkan compresses well

[true hemlock]

nvm, 179 MB

[midnight sigil]

and would x86 faster than x86_64

meh you need to recompile the whole thing in x86 what am I talking about

[opaque sigil]

Probably not since x86 mode is emulated iirc

Maybe that was 16 bit I don't remember

[midnight sigil]

what versions of windows does the executable support

I have so many questions

[true hemlock]

once i got it to work on my other machines that means it works and i can start optimizing (removing unecessary binaries or lib or dlls)

[sage crag]

bwa

[amber fractal]

Someone needs to fit the github with actual releases, because at least surely it can be done there instead of discord.
(Doing it with gh actions should be considered a crime to the person doing the action)

[sage crag]

alternatively everyone use nix

[true hemlock]

works

200MB lmfao

my laptop only got 4k ish

both prebuilt and one click compile version

LMFAO

[amber fractal]

CPU limited is crazy

But yeah, always CPU limited

[true hemlock]

let me optimize the size so i can easily try on other machines

[nocturne olive]

I'm not reinstalling my system

[amber fractal]

What the CPU is doing:

drawcall()
frame++
drawcall()
frame++
drawcall()
frame++

[warped narwhal]

I got it working

[amber fractal]

Updating the title bar is on a different thread so I'm not wrong

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if there is a counting algorithm that is faster

[nocturne olive]

Faster than the increment there? No idea

[true hemlock]

removing like 80% of the files in vulkan's Lib folder not only optimized size, but also performance for some reason

wtf

[nocturne olive]

wuh

Windows is weird

[amber fractal]

Also because I got a race condition (double fps for a bit) I know this is correct.

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, will function call be more expensive that incrementing?

Because I wonder if the increment can be defered somehow

[nocturne olive]

I'm kinda assuming the compiler inlined the function

[opaque wharf]

One way to find out

[nocturne olive]

Looking at the binary?

[true hemlock]

dude what the fuck is spirv

those took like 70% of the file size

i removed em, and performance goes up

[amber fractal]

Perfect

[true hemlock]

my laptop can now do 7K

[opaque sigil]

spirv is what vulkan compiles down to

[nocturne olive]

So does that mean it's the Vulkan compiler?

[true hemlock]

its not

[midnight sigil]

I'm the only guy that's unable to compile the triangle

this is so doomed

[true hemlock]

soon dw

one click compile

:)

[midnight sigil]

packed environment

[rough bloom]

Vulkan shader format
instead of just shipping the shader code as text like you would with OpenGL you can precompile it

[amber fractal]

You've heard of one click run, now we have for you one click compile (and manually run still )

[true hemlock]

would anyone willing to try it out

[amber fractal]

This technology is considered the evolution to pre-computing as the resulting program fits the hardware it's running on perfectly.

[true hemlock]

oh the compressed size is 88MB

[amber fractal]

I nominate @midnight sigil

[opaque sigil]

https://nixos.wiki/wiki/Nix-shell_shebang

[true hemlock]

build.bat to compile, triangle.bat to run
NOTE:

• VulkanSDK and SDL3 is packed, you don't need to install these on your own.
• you might need GCC/MSVC installed.
• running the one click compiler isn't a must, but it often improves performance because you're compiling from source directly on your machine

might aswell try in my older systems

[midnight sigil]

no way you packed clang++ and lld as well lol

[amber fractal]

Seeing the examples leave me with the intrusive thought of multiple languages in a single file.

[true hemlock]

[midnight sigil]

no way bro

it worked

what

[amber fractal]

Finally

[midnight sigil]

and it runs 56k

[true hemlock]

well shit

[midnight sigil]

I'm deleting my vulkansdk now

[true hemlock]

people that uses it might also need gcc

uh oh

wait

hold on

ah its just some header files

[midnight sigil]

I still don't know what's the issue before but it works now lol

62k fps

anyways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H3xQaf7BFI

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[opaque sigil]

oh yeah i need to finish that

[true hemlock]

@olive sable one click compile version for windows

[maiden geyser]

people used to smuggle intel cpus

[warped narwhal]

Nitro limit is 500

100 is for people without nitro posting on boosted servers

[safe path]

is this why i cant afford a gpu

willing to trade a highly damaged liver for a 4080

[sage crag]

willing to trade one eyelash for 4080

[nocturne olive]

I'll settle for a 3090 for whatever

[sage crag]

ill give you a 3090 on the condition that you give me a 3090

[nocturne olive]

That would be counter-productive due to shipping mess
And I meant something I can do or actually provide

[sage crag]

no you just need to send it over email

[fading olive]

That dude in china that makes custom 48GB 4090s is crazy.

[midnight sigil]

"We can make one right now"

he's a popular youtuber as well

https://www.youtube.com/@fydn

this guy

bro touches 5090s every day or some shit

[shell bobcat]

Hi

[patent walrus]

gotta install visual studio build tools on my relative's really trashy laptop with a HDD

[fast pagoda]

great video and i was able to join the gamersnexus <3 your comment train so i'm pretty much in the big leagues now

[maiden geyser]

"really trashy" is really relative

[fast pagoda]

he's a bilibili guy they linked it in the video description

[patent walrus]

i3-7100U, 2.4 GHz, 4GB of RAM

[fast pagoda]

https://space.bilibili.com/611438407

[fast pagoda]

sounds like it'll run cachy just fine

autotranslate of b2 titles is great

not the local tyrant

[maiden geyser]

no gpu? sounds like it only needs additional ram

[fast pagoda]

i think that should have an igpu

[umbral thorn]

[hot ginkgo]

[maiden geyser]

gt 710 is also technically a gpu

[maiden geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/671211728968744980/1028258145157513216/togif-1.gif

[midnight sigil]

they are the same guy

the youtube is his official account

[fading olive]

is youtube not blocked in china?

[midnight sigil]

of course they have ways to bypass, if they can smuggle gpus that easily

[maiden geyser]

vpn

[midnight sigil]

👆

[hot ginkgo]

so old

[fading olive]

But why would a chinese repair shop make their main channel on youtube instead of bilibili?

[midnight sigil]

it's not illegal as well, as long as they don't use non-official network supplyers

[fast pagoda]

ye i just kinda figure the b2 would have more videos (didnt look lule)

[fast pagoda]

legally qualifies as a gpu

it outputs graphics

processes them even

not very well

but it do be

[midnight sigil]

what do you think that he appeared on Gamers Nexus

[true hemlock]

my nvs310:

[maiden geyser]

the gt 710 can produce mind-boggling effects.

[midnight sigil]

also they have a channel on YouTube doesn't mean it's main

[fading olive]

I don't understand, is this a question?

[true hemlock]

this thing only have like 48 shader units

[fast pagoda]

yeah his b2 has 362 videos and the youtub 332
pretty close but slightly more on b2

[midnight sigil]

he is popular enough even on youtube

[fast pagoda]

i still have a geforce 2 MX laying around in storage

[midnight sigil]

and so he can collab(kinda) with Gamers Nexus

[fast pagoda]

2 pixel shaders, NO vertex shading, 4 TMUs w/ 2 ROPs

[true hemlock]

right back when gpus can't even compute

[fast pagoda]

the good ol days

[fading olive]

ok sure, but GN also collabed with Mr. 5 on bilibili in that video. So I don't think that him also being on YT has much to do with it. But being on both platforms makes more sense to me. It sounded like people were saying that YT was the "main" channel or something

I figured it would be risky for chinese people to blatantly bypass the firewall, I guess not.

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

they will get a ~CNY$3000 fine if they show how they bypass publicly(while stating it's for bypassing purpose)

just don't post politics outside and get caught, otherwise you're good

[hot ginkgo]

[midnight sigil]

if you say it's a tool for proxies, just education purposes

no one cares

matorias what were you typing

[tall ridge]

Sry trying to write my question )

but my brain is numb

[patent walrus]

oh that’s WAY better than i thought - Intel(R) HD Graphics 620

[midnight sigil]

maybe just try to run it on a better pc

[tall ridge]

Long story short. I`m learning DevOPs . And now I'm working with GitActions and Secrets for autodeploy. Question is : when you have an access to a repo , should i use PATs or ask an owner to Deploy public keys?

[midnight sigil]

both should be fine no?

[tall ridge]

yea that's true . But what way is the "right" one ? I mean the most efficent or safe or common to use ?

[midnight sigil]

I personally would use pats

but if you really want strict management on the affect scope

use deploy keys

[tall ridge]

Got it . Thank you very much .

[true hemlock]

have you tried the packed version btw

for some reason it runs slightly better (at least on my laptop)

[midnight sigil]

that's

10k fps boost

[patent walrus]

packed version? if you mean the zip you sent then yes
i had to tell windows twice that it wasnt a virus lol

[midnight sigil]

but is the leaderboard about max fps reached or average in a certain duration

[true hemlock]

LMAO

[midnight sigil]

classic windows

[patent walrus]

you think you can fool me with your uh

Trojan:Script/Wacatac.B!ml

and

Trojan:Script/Wacatac.C!ml

[true hemlock]

[midnight sigil]

machine learning detection

[sage crag]

i know elvyn remote access trojan is in this binary

[true hemlock]

abort mission we've been exposed

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

free computer

[midnight sigil]

FUCK

they realized why our triangle application is so big

[true hemlock]

fr

[midnight sigil]

bnub

is it possible to make
-#
even smaller

[sage crag]

norb

[midnight sigil]

norb

-#

[sage crag]

nubternate

[midnight sigil]

nubternate

[lament igloo]

😭 most false positive malware ever

anyways here's a polyglot file
im pretty sure some of yall know how to use this

[midnight sigil]

at least we know that AI can't take the job of static analysis

[true hemlock]

@lament igloo triangle.

[lament igloo]

what

tf u mean

[opaque sigil]

triangle

[true hemlock]

do triangle

[lament igloo]

on what

[midnight sigil]

vulkan

[hot ginkgo]

[true hemlock]

@lament igloo

[midnight sigil]

we have linux

windows

mac

and android(question mark?)

[opaque sigil]

i should try again under windows hmm

[midnight sigil]

I mean he said it's phone

might be just windows arm or smth

[true hemlock]

windows users no balls lucky having a premade packed compiler for them smh

nixos if you dare

[midnight sigil]

we should test if windows vista x64 works

[tender river]

a wawawa wawa wawawawa

[lament igloo]

nahhhhh

[opaque sigil]

chay you should run this on your phone

[lament igloo]

what the fuck is this file to make this specific dialogue show up 💀

[midnight sigil]

awa awawa awa

[opaque sigil]

that's just any file downloaded from the internet

[lament igloo]

correct

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

does it even run vulkan actually

[lament igloo]

didnt expect files inside zip archives would be affected too

[true hemlock]

yeah

[tender river]

my op6 supports vulkan but its a bit batteryless right now

[opaque sigil]

[lament igloo]

uhhh it crashed

[midnight sigil]

let's sign it with an online signature generator so it's trusted

[tender river]

currently i use a pinephone which probably only supports llvmpipe

[true hemlock]

do you have gcc

or msvc

[lament igloo]

idk, what do u think

[true hemlock]

huh

[lament igloo]

how do i select to my GTX

[true hemlock]

try to recompile

[midnight sigil]

does triangle show up

[true hemlock]

it should be automatic

[lament igloo]

nope

[true hemlock]

@lament igloo

[midnight sigil]

I think you can change device ngl

[lament igloo]

recompiled, same result

[midnight sigil]

it's a vulkan application afterall

[opaque sigil]

what does %ERRORLEVEL% say after running

[true hemlock]

odd

[lament igloo]

so how do i change gpu, is there a command param?

[opaque sigil]

you'll have to modify the source

integrated gpus are preferred as it is

[true hemlock]

take a look on leaderboard lmao

apparently dgpu is fine

[opaque sigil]

no i meant the program itself prefers igpus

unless it's been changed again

[lament igloo]

im on a laptop rn if that changes anything

[midnight sigil]

something under /src/vk_device.cpp:61, bool DeviceManager::checkPhysicalDevice(bool USE_IGPU)

[sage crag]

wouldnt be in this mess if nix

[midnight sigil]

just override USE_IGPU to false

I trust in Sam's code

[true hemlock]

try to remove the echo suppressor in the triangle.bat

[midnight sigil]

said by flake hater and user

[midnight sigil]

@lament igloo

[midnight sigil]

^

smh

[true hemlock]

[lament igloo]

either im doing it wrong or is my gtx not actually there

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

huh

promote do you by any chance have vulkan already installed

[nocturne olive]

Set the executable to performance mode

[midnight sigil]

idk std::cout the gpu device candidates

[true hemlock]

perhaps it preferred the preinstalled vulkan that is outdated?

[nocturne olive]

You need to add it to graphics settings

[lament igloo]

ok, editing the code in notepad as i speak

[midnight sigil]

it's able to create a PhysicalDevice though

doesn't make sense if it's outdated

[lament igloo]

yo
what is this rating system dawg

[nocturne olive]

Windows especially on laptops has this stupid thing where it sometimes forces apps onto the iGPU to save power

[midnight sigil]

goofy

[lament igloo]

idk how to even check that lmao

[midnight sigil]

[lament igloo]

i really need to learn c++ 💀

[hollow spruce]

O myy processor

[midnight sigil]

[true hemlock]

just reinstall msvc

[midnight sigil]

is msvc even involved tho

[hollow spruce]

Restall it gpp

[lament igloo]

but when i ran ur compiler without my modifications, it worked

[sage crag]

[midnight sigil]

isn't it just llvm

and windows kit

[lament igloo]

all i did was just

std::multimap<int, VkPhysicalDevice> candidates;
    std::cout << candidates << std::endl;

[midnight sigil]

they are not chars

[opaque sigil]

yeah you can't print the multimap directly, you'll have to iterate over it

[lament igloo]

can they be turned to string

[true hemlock]

lmao

[opaque sigil]

VkPhysicalDeviceProperties prop;
vkGetPhysicalDeviceProperties(candidate, &prop)
char* name = prop.deviceName

something like this

[midnight sigil]

for std::pair<int, VkPhysicalDevice> candidate : candidates {
    VkPhysicalDeviceProperties props;
    vkGetPhysicalDeviceProperties(candidate, &props);
    std::cout << candidate.first << "   " << props.deviceName << std::endl;
}

would probably do

I wrote this on my phone don't bully me if no work

[lament igloo]

nw

we all gucchi

[midnight sigil]

man I travelled in mainland so hard that I almost forgot I have a project called awa-interpreter

[hollow spruce]

How much do you get fps in your fps calculator
Mine was suck 20699 fps

[opaque sigil]

#include <algorithm>
VkPhysicalDeviceProperties prop;

std::for_each(candidates.begin(), candidates.end(), [&](auto device){
    vkGetPhysicalDeviceProperties(device.second, &prop);
    std::cout << prop.deviceName << std::endl;
});

this works

[midnight sigil]

std::for_each

[midnight sigil]

skill issues

get better pc

👍

btw you said you ran triangle on a phone

[hollow spruce]

Let me google a100 hardware

[midnight sigil]

what operating system and specs to be exact

[lament igloo]

ok it works-
THE FUCK U MEAN U ONLY DETECTED ONE

[midnight sigil]

LOL

[lament igloo]

DUDE ITS RIGHT THERE WTH

[hollow spruce]

: 87455.9
FPS: 88562.4
FPS: 87888.6
FPS: 88619.1
FPS: 88646.4
FPS: 87682.9
FPS: 88922.4
FPS: 88565.4
Little bit of modify 🙂

[midnight sigil]

[lament igloo]

@true hemlock vulkan is the worst shit to be running on my laptop rn

💔

[midnight sigil]

is your use_igpu now false

[midnight sigil]

don't worry I debugged for 6 hours on this thing

[opaque sigil]

average vulkan experience

[nocturne olive]

Windows likely only giving it that because it's in power saver

[nocturne olive]

See how the dGPU has no usage?

Windows has decided it wants to only use the iGPU unless specified otherwise

That's kinda just a laptop moment

[true hemlock]

atp its worth trying what superbox adviced

[lament igloo]

Best performance and you're telling me its in power saving mode? 😭

[nocturne olive]

You can use the graphics settings to manually tell Windows to give the executable exclusively the dGPU

[hollow spruce]

https://youtu.be/pPStdjuYzSI?si=xbCGnxkUO1oEKWYc

[midnight sigil]

set it back to true and see if the candidates changes

maybe vulkan thinks your dgpu is igpu

[nocturne olive]

If that does not work, your Windows install is broken or your GPU is unable to run Vulkan

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

nah I more believe it's code issue

hardware and system-wize issues should be considered at last

[nocturne olive]

How would it be code issue when only the iGPU is provided to it?

[true hemlock]

dude even my nvs 310 runs it lmao

[midnight sigil]

that's why I said to re-adjust the use_igpu param back

[nocturne olive]

Then it's definitely Windows messing up

[nocturne olive]

The provided GPUs depend on Windows, not the program

[hollow spruce]

Use nivida-smi

[sage crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1407026571407265803/3dgifmaker57172.gif

[nocturne olive]

The use_igpu param is only for prioritizing in the code between procided devices

[midnight sigil]

no

what

[tender river]

norb

[midnight sigil]

it's obviously not

[nocturne olive]

Have you read the code?

[sage crag]

i dont have enorb

[lament igloo]

nope

[midnight sigil]

ok maybe it is

[opaque sigil]

the driver is over a year old, could also just be due to that

[lament igloo]

dude i fucking cant run triangle.bat

[midnight sigil]

I have now

[lament igloo]

ts is so ass

[midnight sigil]

[lament igloo]

idk if i need to upgrade to see that damn vulkan triangle atp

[rigid snow]

bwa

[nocturne olive]

Set the graphics settings to performance on the executable in Windows settings

[fast pagoda]

enor🅱️ime

[nocturne olive]

It will force dGPU if possible

[midnight sigil]

I blame volk.c

[true hemlock]

i blame build.bat

wait

[opaque sigil]

when in doubt blame microsoft

[true hemlock]

FUCK microsoft

FUCK

[nocturne olive]

Ok there is something significantly wrong with your device

Have you ever managed to get something to utilize the dGPU?

[lament igloo]

idk

[nocturne olive]

If you launch a game right now where does it open?

[midnight sigil]

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/68109171/vkenumeratephysicaldevices-not-finding-all-gpus

it's vulkan's problem, case solved

disable your igpu

[true hemlock]

someone pls copy and update when there's new score because i need to sleep

[lament igloo]

bruh i disabled it 😭

[midnight sigil]

Sam plz send your github tokens in chat so we can push it for you

[midnight sigil]

in what way

[hollow spruce]

Video link is good to be true. I still need to learn microsoft excel to get a certificate (i know please i don't watch again to get a certificate)

[lament igloo]

main

bool USE_IGPU = false;
// and...
const std::vector<const char*> validationLayers = {};

[midnight sigil]

no I meant

disable it system-wise

[midnight sigil]

google excel certificate is crazy

[lament igloo]

oh fuck nah
what will happen to my shit 😭 🙏

[hollow spruce]

HELL NO ()
import os
os.remove("c:\")

[lament igloo]

gtx works on kdenlive

vulkan problem

💀 🙏

not gonna spend hours fixing this just to see a triangle dude

[midnight sigil]

smh

get out of #programming

[hollow spruce]

FUCK U ()
Who made ai

[hollow spruce]

Get out please I'm suffering

[midnight sigil]

[lament igloo]

"over"
technically you can answer all of them and get it right

[tender river]

sorry i only have this knockoff

somebody should really get these pixels off enub

om

[midnight sigil]

kali where

[tender river]

script kiddies

[midnight sigil]

[tender river]

if you want to be a 1337 h4xx0r at least google stuff by yourself

[midnight sigil]

how do I remote access a wifi endpoint

[hollow spruce]

My board is locked and i can't use my computer

[midnight sigil]

why do you want to deauth attack your own wifi in the first place

does having an unusable wifi benefits yourself

[hollow spruce]

I'm on a website that is running in js
I can't click any button ✅
And it adds a remote host script

[midnight sigil]

what does it do with wifi

[hollow spruce]

Attack my wifi and it failed and spam my wifi then it overload then wifi will shutdown it self

[rare bramble]

[midnight sigil]

just turn off router

it's your own wifi

you have control over it

even you don't have physical access, go to your local router's dashboard and shut it down idk

deauth only cuts off connection iirc(I'm wrong)

you can't just hop on the internet and ask people to do DOS attacks for you

it ain't gonna work

[worldly plank]

You can, if you are the target.

Note: Risk of doxxing included.

[hollow spruce]

I TRIED WIFI RESTART
(SHUTDOWN)
WINDOWS EMERGENCY SHUTDOWN BUT NOT WORKING
(ONLY I HAVE IS Remove MY WINDOWS10)

Bye guys i will be back soon
After resetting my pc

[midnight sigil]

"Guys I hosted a CTF challenge on my own PC" vibe

and all you have is a router static ip and device name

actually sounds kinda hype

sadly I no longer have a public ip

[warped narwhal]

you probably have a static ipv6

[hollow spruce]

I successfully reset my pc
AntiVIRUS are suck
(Net protector,
Quick heal )

[latent frost]

anyone know a good and free ai video generation website? I tried few but they all need subscription or really slow

[sage crag]

enorb

[tender river]

https://mastodon.social/@pid_eins/115047948775277368
adb will now work without root on linux without installing android udev rules

Lennart Poettering (@[e-mail])

4️⃣0️⃣ Here's the 40th post highlighting key new features of the upcoming v258 release of systemd. #systemd258

It's a quick one: Android USB debugging might not be an official standard, but it's implemented by a myriad of devices. Previously accessing Android USB debugging interfaces from regular, unprivileged programs required installation of manual udev rules.This should now be a thing of the past, we now match these interfaces out of the box and make them accessible through the "uaccess"…

Mastodon · Aug 18, 2025, 4:46 AM

[rough bloom]

I have news too
C (and specifically GCC) will get defer soon mabe
https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc-patches/2025-August/691461.html

[sage crag]

hblang has this already

[worldly panther]

THE TOKERNIZER FINISHED TRAINING LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

IT ONLY TOOK 30 HOURS

[tender river]

[worldly panther]

now I just gotta train the transformer

[sage crag]

[tender river]

hblang

[sage crag]

hblang

[opaque sigil]

guess nixos already handles this ootb cause i've never been prompted for my sudo pw when using adb

[tender river]

maybe you use programs.adb/programs.envision/services.wivrn

[opaque sigil]

not explicitly at least

[tender river]

also without root and android-udev-rules adb doesnt prompt for sudo it just fails to locate your usb device

[opaque sigil]

these are the only things that show up for android udev rules so idk

[nocturne olive]

AI video generation is not acceptable in #programming

[opaque sigil]

it definitely works, i just tried it again so who knows

[stark needle]

? why would it not

[nocturne olive]

Nobody likes slop

[stark needle]

that sure

but that wouldn't disqualify the question

[nocturne olive]

Either way, just sillying around

[worldly panther]

I mean

there was a trend in china for a while where they would try to mimic ai generated videos

but with like actual acting

lowkey hilarious lmAO

[olive sable]

I was ye

[olive sable]

Yes

[tender river]

awa

[olive sable]

awa

[rough bloom]

awa

[sage crag]

awa

[glad path]

can someone slide the version for macos

[olive sable]

Uh

I dont have one so you'd have to ask vani

My parcel got delivered today and i was asleep

[cosmic sphinx]

https://x.com/Alibaba_Qwen/status/1957500569029079083

Qwen (@Alibaba_Qwen)

🚀 Excited to introduce Qwen-Image-Edit!
Built on 20B Qwen-Image, it brings precise bilingual text editing (Chinese & English) while preserving style, and supports both semantic and appearance-level editing.

✨ Key Features
✅ Accurate text editing with bilingual support
✅

X · Aug 18, 2025, 5:51 PM

[sage crag]

who greenlit these images

[cosmic sphinx]

somebody

its mid though
google's upcoming model is gonna blow it out of the water

[sage crag]

ive seen the third image in that one mario and luigi doctor video

[opaque wharf]

Nice, paused at the right time

Ettin

[small anvil]

hey guys
update: i have decided to rewrite my multiplayer game server in rust

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

why though

awawwa

[tender river]

honestly depending on the game not a bad choice

in general rust is probably fine if you're not doing ui or java-style oop

[opaque wharf]

You don't like factory for a factory?

[tender river]

"factory" is just javaspeak for "function"

[opaque wharf]

Not wrong lmao

[tender river]

theres more to java than factories

specifically, mutable state everywhere

[sage crag]

yay

mutable state

[tender river]

and pointers pointing wherever, including cycles

something that does cause problems but when you need it rust requires major workarounds (that may or may not be better than using java)

specifically ui trees in classic oop are just mutable nodes in a tree that can also usually access their parents

this is just not something you do in rust

[sage crag]

Cycle := struct {
  .inner: ^Cycle;

  init := fn(self: ^Cycle): void {
    self.inner = self
  }
}

cycle: Cycle = idk
cycle.init()

[tender river]

(you can, but its something the language and the ecosystem discourages)

actually makes me think

[sage crag]

woah

[tender river]

does react (in js) give you access to the parent

[tender river]

it does indirectly

parent can give you a function that changes its state

rust would be so much easier to use for things like that if you could just say "forget i have access to &mut self for a moment, since i'm not actually borrowing anything from &mut self"

well in a way its a thing

but in a very limited way

if &mut is borrowed from a refcell, you can't really do that

[sage crag]

unsafe { &mut *(self as *const Self as *mut Self) }

[tender river]

its not aliasing if i dont care about the compiler misoptimizing my code

[sage crag]

you do have to put #[allow(invalid_reference_casting)] or use UnsafeCell to my knowledge

close enough though

[rare bramble]

that's pretty cool, but if I ever see that in a codebase, I'll quickly git blame and run to thwack the person responsibe for the code

[sage crag]

its not pretty cool, its only a coincidence that it works

its completely UB

program behaviour no longer guaranteed

[tender river]

nothing is guaranteed since the optimizer uses that assumption to optimally reorder reads

or avoid double reads

(at least in theory it does, in practice llvm is full of bugs so that may or may not be partially disabled)

[sage crag]

the compiler would well be within its right to remove the entire

let b = a.erm();
b.what = 20;

from its perspective this code should have no effects

and so it should just compile to println!("Why {{ what: 0 }}");

if it wanted to

[tender river]

removing is a little unlikely, but reordering reads is super likely

removing only happens when it leads to an optimization opportunity

like integer overflow being undefined in C and C++ allows compilers to skip some edge cases

and this is why C is not "close to the metal", among other reasons