lmao
#programming
true hemlock
nocturne olive
Unless I forgot to save something
nocturne olive
Ok that was on me
rough bloom
works on my machine 
true hemlock
yeah wsl because im lazy
nocturne olive
It was on me, I forgor to save the cpp file
sage crag
<:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638> yeah wsl because im lazy
likely no vulkan icd loader
opaque sigil
you'll have to tell it to use the dzn vulkan driver explicitly
and most likely manually compile mesa with it unless you're on something like arch
nocturne olive
The framerate fluctuates a lot, but there sure is a lot of them frames
true hemlock
well nah i'll just nixos
sage crag
well nah i'll just nixos
rip 
true hemlock
can't be arsed with wsl
sage crag
The framerate fluctuates a lot, but there sure is a lot of them frames
what does the terminal say
also what is your cpu/gpu
nocturne olive
what does the terminal say
What is it supposed to say?
sage crag
anything that's not Selected GPU: llvmpipe
nocturne olive
also what is your cpu/gpu
GPU is that RTX 4070Ti while the CPU is a a 12700K
The system is currently only somewhat busy
sage crag
you should not be getting only 14k fps om
nocturne olive
Neuro stream is eating 15% CPU
sage crag
this is probably linux mint's fault though
nocturne olive
And pxls + WPlace + the WPlace overlay plugin is eating a lot of GPU
sage crag
im getting 23k fps on an igpu while watching youtube
opaque sigil
isn't this basically just a cpu benchmark
nocturne olive
It was WPlace
sage crag
isn't this basically just a cpu benchmark
its a bandwidth and latency benchmark
true hemlock
lmao
sage crag
its not really a benchmark of cpu or gpu performance
nocturne olive
It was WPlace
This is a few more frames for sure
sage crag
It was WPlace
i think this is the top result so far
rough bloom
it's a CPU + GPU latency + memory bandwidth benchmark 
nocturne olive
i think this is the top result so far
Silly
opaque sigil
i only got 17k
sage crag
i only got 17k <:neuroSadge:1059236278345936926>
do you use a DE
true hemlock
fuck it i'll switch ssd hold on
opaque sigil
do you use a DE
mayhaps
sage crag
its probably upower or ppd
try using gamemoderun output/release/vulkan
i get 12k fps without gamemode and 23k with gamemode
opaque sigil
i did and it didn't change anything 
nocturne olive
i get 12k fps without gamemode and 23k with gamemode
What even is gamemode?
opaque wharf
What even is gamemode?
For game
sage crag
its a wrapper that applies some performance tweaks for games
nocturne olive
How silly
hollow spruce
Yo I'm back
After 2 hours
rough bloom
I compiled it with -march=native and generated a new profile for PGO but it didn't make the number go higher 
I'm probably just limited by memory bandwidth or something at this point
-# well, it did make the number go higher, but only by like 200 fps
hollow spruce
What ure program language?
rough bloom
it's Sams program, not mine, but it's written in C++
sage crag
fuck it i'll switch ssd hold on
how's that going
hollow spruce
I will be back tomorrow
true hemlock
how's that going
im installing nix on that one ssd first
okay y'all nix users, give me all the things you guys did to make it work i can't be arsed to figure it out myself
rough bloom
have you installed NixOS yet
true hemlock
im still booting my secondary machine to install it on my ssd
holy shit it took so long to boot for some reason
memory training is ass
nvm just booted
fucking 256gb ram
pale current
unless you swapped memory sticks or changed them around it shouldnt memory train more than once
true hemlock
its newly configured lmao
pale current
oh kek
true hemlock
haven't booted since last reconfiguration
rough bloom
im still booting my secondary machine to install it on my ssd
if you know what you're doing and want to speedrun without reading a lot of text you can follow these
https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/#sec-installation-manual-summary
otherwise read the sections above that
sage crag
okay y'all nix users, give me all the things you guys did to make it work i can'...
all i had to do was follow the guide and then run nix-install
or nixos-install
though i did some extra stuff
sage crag
oh
right
put this file in the same directory as his project
then run nix-shell
then make
true hemlock
@umbral thorn sorry, you gotta daily drive nixos after you got your pc later
tender river
sage crag
<@853951124967915541> sorry, you gotta daily drive nixos after you got your pc l...
that's actually despicable
poor ellie
sage crag
a fate worse than death
for someone who lives on a computer 
nocturne olive
<@853951124967915541> sorry, you gotta daily drive nixos after you got your pc l...
Well, didn't she ask for it?
sage crag
no one asks for nixos
nocturne olive
Elvyn did
true hemlock
wait she did?
nocturne olive
You forgot?
nocturne olive
wait she did?
nocturne olive
GRUB is the boot manager I believe
tender river
she's crazy
we're setting a bad example 
sage crag
we're setting a bad example <:neuroCry:1110064189839523881>
that was july
tender river
sage crag
so i think shes just crazy
south needle
GRUB is the boot manager I believe
systemd boot is better imo
nocturne olive
GRUB is the only one I know of using
south needle
but systemd boot is newer and supports more features
nocturne olive
Doesn't mean I have to use it, or that Mint will use it
sage crag
mint will never use it because as a mint user you dont have a choice about your bootloader
there are many boot managers, notably
- systemd-boot
- grub
- refind
- limine
- just straight up efi
tender river
what features does systemd-boot support that grub doesnt
its vice versa if anything
sage crag
its vice versa if anything
its definitely vice versa
systemd-boot doesnt even work on bios
only uefi
cant chainload with systemd-boot
opaque sigil
can't theme systemd-boot so what's the point
sage crag
grub has its own drivers for filesystems too meaning you dont even need to use vfat
(you should though)
tender river
yuh the filesystem drivers may lag behind linux implementations
sage crag
can't theme systemd-boot so what's the point <:neuroSadge:1059236278345936926>
theming in the sourcecode
suckless 
tender river
systemd, the prime example of suckless software
tender river
because you can only customize it by modifying the C source code
thats what suckless means right
sage crag
i think systemd-boot's only feature over grub is that its got less features
also its configuration is better
tender river
i like that it loads entries from separate files rather than a single config file
true hemlock
AHHH FINALLY
sage crag
i like that it loads entries from separate files rather than a single config fil...
https://search.nixos.org/options?channel=unstable&show=boot.loader.limine.
you can also use limine on nixos
apparently
sage crag
AHHH FINALLY
you in?
sage crag
midnight sigil
tender river
https://search.nixos.org/options?channel=unstable&show=boot.loader.limine.
you c...
i dont want to replace bootloaders its scary 
i'll try it on my next install i guess
sage crag
tender river
then again systemd-boot is kinda annoying me on my server so maybe i should switch
hmm
do i risk it
sage crag
sage crag
update docs
tender river
after working around bad python code it seems to have booted fine yippie
sage crag
marketable pippi
tender river
bwawa
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tender river
thanks for the embed
sage crag
warped frost
Chat
midnight sigil
warped frost
Idk
midnight sigil
meh
tender river
after working around bad python code it seems to have booted fine yippie
oh! it booted because it booted into systemd-boot
warped frost
Damn
tender river
oh! it booted because it booted into systemd-boot
slightly concerning
warped frost
I accidentally went to NN just to deliver that message
midnight sigil
midnight sigil
slightly concerning
are you a nix user 
tender river
i am
midnight sigil
the programming nix infection
glad I have my arch and kali around me
I love my arch-chan
tender river
i've been a nix user since before neuro's live2d debut
midnight sigil
hiyori one?
tender river
mhm
midnight sigil
tender river
midnight sigil
sage crag
what rule did he/she broke
dunno looks like they tried to get into an argument with t
stray dragon
i literally did nothing
stray dragon
haven't talked to the guy in 2 days, and only then because he was in my dms
sage crag
maybe he ragebaited too hard in genchat or something
midnight sigil
stray dragon
wonder if he'll ever find the "stop typing" button someday
sage crag
hollow spruce
Yo
I restall my vs code studio
rigid snow
hope he gets a life and talks to people irl, shits just sad
true hemlock
and then my nix got stuck in emergency mode
lmfao
can't be arsed with it anymore
its 3 am
holy shit im drunk
true hemlock
and then my nix got stuck in emergency mode
sounds like my skill issue, 100%
rigid snow
i even produce in airpods sometimes and it’s fine
whoever in this chat works at apple and upon reading this proceeded to push an update to macos that fucks it up massively by bugging the fuck out of airpods when i produce, i just wanna say thanks bro big up
faint sandal
olive sable
30573 
rigid snow
> i even produce in airpods sometimes and it’s fine
whoever in this chat works a...
like shit's actually so weird
they randomly crackle, then the audio turns off, then the ANC/transparency turns off in ONE ear, then they desync. all of this lasts until i put them back in the case and wait like 20 seconds
olive sable
well. it does update the title every 1 second, but it does that in another thread so idk if that actually matters for the performance
rigid snow
like shit's actually so weird
they randomly crackle, then the audio turns off, t...
i don't have beta airpods firmware btw. maybe i should
olive sable
ye i died when iggly said "lemme install waybar". i just went KO
then you'll need to render on the cpu
midnight sigil
well. it does update the title every 1 second, but it does that in another threa...
thread or core
olive sable
i think both
from my testing thread 0 and thread 16 have the same performance on my pc
midnight sigil
bro tried out every logical processor combinations
olive sable
so i think it goes core 0-15, core 0-15 2nd thread
rigid snow
are we benchmarking threads now wtf
olive sable
are we benchmarking threads now wtf
i did do that yes
warped narwhal
so i think it goes core 0-15, core 0-15 2nd thread
different between intel and amd
amd goes cores then threads, intel interleaves them
midnight sigil
are we benchmarking threads now wtf
it's just normal #programming 
olive sable
ah
olive sable
still, core 1 should bo 0-1, core 2 should be 2-3 then, meaning it still works
kinda
besides that its using core 1 which runs worse for me cuz of system tasks
warped narwhal
intel: core 0: [0,1], core 1: [2,3]
amd: core 0: [0, 8], core 1: [1,9] (assuming an 8 core cpu)
olive sable
yall are free to edit the code tho, as long as you dont just cheat and skip the rendering
midnight sigil
delete the whole mainloop and add one to frame count
and that'll be the max fps we can achieve?
the program would probably just freeze
olive sable
if you dont do the rendering in the renderloop it still works
you jsut get a bilion fps cuz you're jsut testing the speed at which your cpu can increase a variable by 1 digit
midnight sigil
olive sable
leaderboard
1. superbox - 31188 fps: Linux mint, intel 12700K, RTX 4070Ti
2. Iggly - 30573 fps: linux CachyOs, Z1 Extreme, AMD Phoenix (intergrated)
3. Shuni - 27158 fps: Linux NixOS, 7950X, AMD Raphael (integrated)
4. konii - 23141 fps: linux NixOS, 7600, AMD raphael (integrated)
5. Sam - 18153 fps: linux CachyOs, 5950x, rtx3090
6. toast - 17k something, he didnt mention
does this look acurate?
sage crag
```
leaderboard
1. superbox - 31188 fps: Linux mint, intel 12700K, RTX 4070Ti
2...
i should compile my pc with znver4 opts and blow all of these out of the water
olive sable
idk what that is
i want to try it on my laptop tho now
and im suprised superbox is getting 30K on a dgpu, wouldn it be the igpu of his 12700k?
sage crag
stark needle
awa
olive sable
awa
rough bloom
i should compile my pc with znver4 opts and blow all of these out of the water
add -ffast-math to CFLAGS too
south needle
awa
sage crag
awa
sage crag
add `-ffast-math` to CFLAGS too <:glueless:1282337396230328425>
surely adding -Ofast to my global cflags wont break anything
sage crag
raytracing
worldly panther
YOOO
love that guy
sage crag
awa
worldly panther
never understand what he's doing but he's like bob ross if he were a programmer
olive sable
i do understand what he's doing but he's still like bob ross
watched that yesterday, good video
olive sable
add `-ffast-math` to CFLAGS too <:glueless:1282337396230328425>
it didnt changer much bwaa
my laptop has an 12500h, surely it could get fast if it uses the igpu
i like how i consider the igpu faster now
rough bloom
it didnt changer much bwaa
it doesn't change anything if you just add it to your application, yeah
but mabe if you compile the GPU driver or the whole system with it
worldly panther
my laptop has a 1650 Ti 
olive sable
the limiting factor here is the bus latency, so you're better of not using the 1650ti
worldly panther
it's depressing how often my programs crash on that thing after I copy them from my desktop and forget to drop their parameters to be friendly with the 4GB of vram it has
olive sable
im pretty sure im only using a megabyte of vram, if not less 
worldly panther
wait for what?
olive sable
oh ye, i pushed a new version where sdl and volk are staticly linked
and to do that im using SDL3 now
sorry
olive sable
yes
it shouldnt change anything about the speed, besides just having changed 4 function names
so sdl3 is here to stay
worldly panther
splendid
man
yet another reminder that I still haven't progressed on learning cpp 
opaque sigil
have you looked into the sdl3 gpu api
olive sable
hmm
opaque sigil
idk what targets they actually support
olive sable
no i havent
worldly panther
honestly at this point I might just say fuck cpp and pivot to rust
olive sable
i doubt the sdl3 gpu api is faster than vulkan tho
since it jsut uses vulkan with a translation layer on top
or well, vulkan, metal or D3D12
worldly panther
this is the typa shit I woulda made in minecraft redstone 3 years ago lmAO
olive sable
so is nix-os faster than cachyos, or do yall just prefer nix?
olive sable
i was more thinking about browsers
actually you're so smart
sage crag
so is nix-os faster than cachyos, or do yall just prefer nix?
depends what you mean by faster
olive sable
higher fps
rough bloom
so is nix-os faster than cachyos, or do yall just prefer nix?
just prefer Nix, though there's no reason you couldn't make NixOS roughly as fast as CachyOS
CachyOS is just more focused on performance out-of-the-box
olive sable
ok ok 
sage crag
nixpkgs.hostPlatform = {
# gcc.arch = "znver4";
# gcc.tune = "znver4";
system = "x86_64-linux";
};
if i uncomment these in my config, then my system would be basically as fast as cachyos
olive sable
i like hyprland but it probably is using a bit more cpu than the other desktops i could have chosen. i dont really feel like installign another one tho
sage crag
though i will say my osu latency and performance has been better on nix than cachy
opaque sigil
```nix
nixpkgs.hostPlatform = {
# gcc.arch = "znver4";
# gcc.tune = "znver4"...
do it
opaque sigil
i'm kind of curious how long it'd take
sage crag
i'm kind of curious how long it'd take
took about 4 hours to build a gentoo system with my old ryzen 3600
olive sable
sage crag
with 7600 it might be less but also there are more packages
rough bloom
i like hyprland but it probably is using a bit more cpu than the other desktops ...
it really shouldn't, Hyprland is pretty lightweight already
there's a whole bunch of options you can mess with in the config
opaque sigil
all the different versions of python alone
sage crag
it really shouldn't, Hyprland is pretty lightweight already
there's a whole bunc...
hyprland is lightweight but it uses the dgpu for rendering the desktop
rough bloom
hyprland is lightweight but it uses the dgpu for rendering the desktop
it does not
sage crag
it does
olive sable
i only have a dgpu so it uses whatever it has probably
sage crag
that is also valid
sage crag
so is nix-os faster than cachyos, or do yall just prefer nix?
the reason people use nix is that your entire system can be rebuilt from just the /etc/nixos directory
olive sable
but at this point waybar is probably more recourse intensive than hyprland itself. cuz it uses pipewire and cava and it renders the thumbnail of the audio that is palying and it shows my cpu and gpu power and cpu usage and ram usage and the weather
sage crag
olive sable
i dont even need the weather, i dont go outside
sage crag
512 MB VRAM because iGPU
do you have a dgpu
rough bloom
yes
sage crag
which one
rough bloom
AMD 7900 XTX
sage crag
interesting, i suppose it makes sense its properly doing hybrid graphics
olive sable
welp, time to install linux arch on my laptop
rough bloom
tbf it did select the dGPU for compositing by default, I manually selected the iGPU because I want the dGPU to be free for reasons™
sage crag
olive sable
ill need to actually shrink the windows partition this time tho
sage crag
welp, time to install linux arch on my laptop
wait wait wait
dont you want to spend 10 hours configuring
sage crag
i got just the OS for you
olive sable
sage crag
olive sable
it needs to have a window manager something that works with sdl, and it needs to run c++ and vulkan
besides that anything is fine
sage crag
it needs to have a window manager something that works with sdl, and it needs to...
look how easy it is to get all of those things
i missed one
olive sable
So you mean nix?
opaque sigil
yes it's nix(os)
rough bloom
So its nix???
Nix is the package manager and language
NixOS is the Linux distribution built on Nix
*nix is a term referring to Unix and its derivatives
install NixOS 
warped narwhal
what would be a benefit of nixos over arch or gentoo?
sage crag
for sane people? not really much
opaque sigil
i like not having to remember all the one-off commands for doing things
granted it's replaced by a lot higher upfront cost but once that's paid that's paid
rough bloom
even for sane people I think the ability to boot into previous generations is really good
then again, Nix
sage crag
previous generation booting has helped me once already
opaque sigil
even for sane people I think the ability to boot into previous generations is re...
tbf btrfs snapshots get you most of that
sage crag
granted i have 54 generations and ive been using nix for like 3 days
opaque sigil
assuming you set them up
rough bloom
tbf btrfs snapshots get you most of that
sane people do not bother setting up btrfs snapshots
on NixOS it's there by default 
sage crag
tbf btrfs snapshots get you most of that
it does, cachyos sets it up for you in limine. i think generations are more effective though. you can combine them with generations too.
you also get:
- a reproducible system (all you need to store are your configuration in
/etc/nixos - easy to set up development environments in nix shell (using
./shell.nixor./flake.nix)
opaque sigil
i'm very happy i can put my flake anywhere so it doesn't need to live in /etc/nixos
opaque sigil
i just have it all in ~/dotfiles/nix
olive sable
what is btrfs?
olive sable
cuz i have a program with that name and i have no clue what it does
opaque sigil
it's a file system, a pretty neat one at that
olive sable
worldly panther
ok
has anyone here tried loading datasets from huggingface
because so far my experience with them is abhorrent
opaque sigil
zfs at home
noble zodiac
zfs at home <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
but without the constant fear of it breaking if you are not on bsd
olive sable
for this pc i bought a brand new m.2 ssd, and now that im on linux im just using the 2.5" sata ssd
i should put it on the m.2 someday
opaque sigil
are you really living if you're not in constant fear of your file system breaking your system
opaque sigil
for this pc i bought a brand new m.2 ssd, and now that im on linux im just using...
i have my windows on a 4tb sn850x and this nixos install is on a decade old 250gb ssd, i feel you
sage crag
its a filesystem.
you dont need to worry about filesystems in particular. all you need to know about btrfs is:
- its marginally slower than ext4, f2fs, and xfs
- it has inbuilt compression
- it has COW (copy on write)
- it has disk snapshots (very very efficient backups)
- unlike zfs (which has similar design), you dont have to worry about licencing
- it has subvolumes (like partitions, but part of just one disk) (not sure what they are useful for tbh)
- its newer than ext4 and xfs, so its slightly buggier and has less wide support, but its still about a 1.5 decades old and very stable
olive sable
lemme try the program without linux on my laptop first
sage crag
on modern linux, the "fastest" filesystems are very ambiguous
so there's not a particular reason to use one or the other unless you need a specific feature
for most people i would recommend ext4, or xfs, unless you think that the btrfs features sound nice
f2fs may fare better on slow flash memory like sd cards or usb sticks
it doesnt really affect fast flash memory like nvmes
opaque sigil
there's d2fs
sage crag
fake
rough bloom
you dont need to worry about filesystems in particular. all you need to know abo...
it has subvolumes (like partitions, but part of just one disk) (not sure what they are useful for tbh)
subvolumes can have different compression for example, that's how I use them
I assume they also have independent snapshots
there's probably other stuff I'm not aware of too
opaque sigil
sage crag
> it has subvolumes (like partitions, but part of just one disk) (not sure what ...
ah i forgot this
thanks for reminding me
independant snapshots do exist
you can also mount subvolumes with different fs flags
like noatime for just @swap for example
fat/vfat
exfat
ntfs
refs
reiserfs
ext4
xfs
f2fs
btrfs
bcachefs
uhh
i cant think of any more
olive sable
oh my fuck
this laptop just crashed, when i was trying to log into github
i wasnt even running the program yet
i think linux will be the best thing i do for this laptop probably
opaque sigil
there are a ton of file systems on top of f2fs like d2fs or scalefs or gogetafs that all exist to deal with the awful gc too
i'm sure there's more
olive sable
i think linux will be the best thing i do for this laptop probably
unless its a driver issue but im sure i updated all of them
opaque sigil
yeah
sage crag
if you want to use a drive on windows
noble zodiac
sprinkle some lvm on top
sage crag
your options are:
fat/vfat
exfat
ntfs
refs
ext4
btrfs
the last 2 have external drivers on windows
the others are native windows filesystems that also have support on linux
olive sable
"do you trust this folder" brother i made it, im litteraly logged in you should be able to see that
olive sable
fair
olive sable
i forgot how shit windows is with having to install packages by googling them
i miss pacman
forest prawn
docker manages to create a 30gb image
we love
hoary lion
no
sage crag
to be very honest pacman -Ss is very convenient compared to anything ive encountered on nix so far
if anyone knows an easy way to search packages from the terminal please lmk
opaque sigil
i forgot how shit windows is with having to install packages by googling them
Use scoop/winget (doesn't work for libraries sadly)
noble zodiac
pacman and dnf are both pretty good
opaque sigil
if anyone knows an easy way to search packages from the terminal please lmk
nh search / nix-locate
sage crag
pacman and dnf are both pretty good
dnf is better than apt
but its damn slow compared to pacman
rough bloom
if anyone knows an easy way to search packages from the terminal please lmk
rg --files | rg <name>
-# in your local Nixpkgs clone
noble zodiac
at least I can remember dnf provides **/foobar vs whatever the frick its on pacman
opaque sigil
Mind you for nix-locate you probably want nix-index-database as a flake input
Unless you feel like rebuilding that gigantic index regularly
sage crag
Unless you feel like rebuilding that gigantic index regularly
wait how long is this going to take
opaque sigil
a while
sage crag
nevermind i dont need it
opaque sigil
nix-index-database updated their index weekly and you can use that
rough bloom
nix-locate is cool for when you want to know in which packages a specific shared library or other random file is
for package search I unironically just grep Nixpkgs
opaque sigil
very useful to have a local clone of nixpkgs 
i usually end up searching with nh and then i'll just open the file it gives me
sage crag
psycho behaviour
rough bloom
this is why I have btrfs compression enabled
sage crag
i have zstd enabled
opaque sigil
when in doubt throw zstd:15 at it
sage crag
honestly i dont know how persistence works but chayleaf told me to set it up so
sage crag
when in doubt throw `zstd:15` at it <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
fun fact about disk compression
it actually makes loading programs faster
disks are slow, decompression is a lot faster
..probably not zstd:15 though
opaque sigil
there's only one way to find out
small anvil
upper jackal
Glad to see people who are in the same rabbit hole as me lol
hoary lion
application startup complete
upper jackal
Recently rm -r'd my entire home dir so I have the honor of rewriting my whole config that I haven't pushed in a few months, this time with impermanence and backups
tender river
previous generation booting has helped me once already
no banish
sage crag
<:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130> no banish
no i did banish
but stupid kni for got to use -d so not banish effectively
tender river
if anyone knows an easy way to search packages from the terminal please lmk
nix search nixpkgs tetris
super slow on first run but gonna be faster on subsequent invocations
sage crag
its just grepping
tender river
or just nix-locate yes (was in my wall of text )
sage crag
it is grepping
wow that is annoying
how do i exclude legacyPackages
nix search nixpkgs tetris -e legacyPackages
tender river
legacyPackages is not actually legacy
tender river
i agree!
sage crag
so uh
tender river
the comment in there is even more stupid let me find it
tender river
The "legacy" in
legacyPackagesdoesn't imply that the packages exposed through this attribute are "legacy" packages.
thanks nix
sage crag
> The "legacy" in `legacyPackages` doesn't imply that the packages exposed throu...
the "adjective" in "adjectiveNoun" does not imply that the noun is "adjective" noun
rough bloom
you don't get it 
the packages attribute as a whole is legacy
each package individually is not
surely this is a perfect name that does not cause any confusion at all
sage crag
nixpkgs have a lot of random stuff
worldly panther
god wait that's actually so braindead lmAO
tender river
https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-plush-teto-kasane-fact-checked-gif-1495143176...
and nix-locate is the nix alternative to pacman -F
tender river
unwrapped means without the wrapper needed for it to actually run
sage crag
how useless overall then
tender river
its for easy access when you need to wrap it with different settings
dont have to rebuild the entirety of librewolf to change a couple env vars passed to the binary
opaque wharf
Should I check out NixOS?
opaque sigil
slowly this channel is just turning into #nixos
opaque wharf
I just want to one up Sam as always 
olive sable
go ahead
opaque sigil
checking it out never hurts, it does have its legitimate advantages
sage crag
i want to say one thing about nixos
on cachyos, my osu lazer latency always jumped around 1.2-2ms
opaque wharf
checking it out never hurts, it does have its legitimate advantages
Mhmmm, but I think my use cases is not a good one
sage crag
on cachyos, my osu lazer latency always jumped around 1.2-2ms
on nixos, i have never seen my osu lazer latency at a number that wasnt 1.0ms exactly
opaque wharf
Still, I'm booting up QEMU right now
sage crag
whether that is a measuring error or a sign of good things, i do not know
opaque wharf
Hmm, now I want to try in on bare metal but don't have spare storage
sage crag
@tender river why does (firefox|librewolf)-wayland exist
sage crag
Hmm, now I want to try in on bare metal but don't have spare storage <:neuroSadg...
in theory your storage usage could be very minimal
in practice
i have used 58gb
tender river
<@455756327755710464> why does `(firefox|librewolf)-wayland` exist
i wanted to know to but i forgot to check 
sage crag
i have used 58gb
i usually use around 15gb in a year
i dont really need a terabyte of storage
i have it anyway since i was upgrading
tender river
<@455756327755710464> why does `(firefox|librewolf)-wayland` exist
legacy code
it used to set some additional env vars probably
but as firefox got wayland support it became just an alias to librewolf
sage crag
frosty garden
Konichiwa everyone (and this is like my 1000th time saying this)
opaque wharf
olive sable
ok i got the program to open a window, but it aint drawing shit
sour lotus
Yesssss, I finally did it, I got the moc 3 model to upload as a chrome extension to ChatGPT 😄 Now I can go sleep
Thanks @olive sable lol damn this took forever to figure out, such a nice feeling
Hope its going well bud, your encouragements helped tons
tender river
sour lotus
Lol yeah I was so suprised that this was a free model on Live2D 🤔
Time to learn how to hook up all the expressions to the chat
sour lotus
Yar already have all the keyword buckets = emotion trigger etc from previous builds but I only had 2d pngs for each emotion, felt bland and tacky so now I can connect them to the sentimenet analysis. Although mine is very caveman-ish. I think you or Sam told me about models already out there with a lot better training I should look into 🤔
I could always ask vedal if I can copy some of his stuff, im sure he wont mind
I get a mini eye twitch if I just try to think the kind of stuff thats going on in his AI backend,damn
rigid snow
I get a mini eye twitch if I just try to think the kind of stuff thats going on ...
i imagine an absolutely massive python monolith that’s very much haunted by old code, garbage cursor generated over the years and tons of old packages. and every time he breathes over the codebase something breaks and violently springs into his face
and he actually maintains a separate branch for evil too, so double the pain
opaque wharf
and he actually maintains a separate branch for evil too, so double the pain
Oh, evil is separate branch? Damn lmao
I thought Evil is just a config ngl
rigid snow
i got the impression he did from what he said over the years, as for evidence, uhh they get new features separately for example
one of them gets it first, then it gets ported to the other twin
small anvil
and he actually maintains a separate branch for evil too, so double the pain
that must be absolute hell to manage
sour lotus
Lol curious who's the hamster
opaque wharf
one of them gets it first, then it gets ported to the other twin
That makes sense lmao
olive sable
welp, i am discovering my code doesnt work for shit on windows and i dont know why
submitting the renderqueue just makes the entire program crash
ill try the slower version with debug stuff built in
at first i thought it was the multithreading but even in one thread it broke\
proper rapids
Debug is indeed your friend, as well as breakpoints
olive sable
its my friend when its broken, but when it works i want that overhead gone
proper rapids
Naturally
trim valve
I am responsible and can be trusted with minecraft networking
(totally not 6 different ME networks in this one picture)
nocturne olive
welp, i am discovering my code doesnt work for shit on windows and i dont know w...
The inferior OS doesn't want to take your extremely powerful code, it's not good enough
opaque wharf
Found a nice tool for anyone making visualization
https://colorbrewer2.org/#type=sequential&scheme=BuGn&n=3
olive sable
ok i got it to work
the 3050 is getting a sad 3k fps
idk if its using p or e cores, but its bad
the intel igpu is getting 3.2k
pathethic
wait im still running in debug mode
oh, turning off debug didnt actually change anything
sage crag
awa
olive sable
awa
warped narwhal
just a small log file, nothing really much here, surely this wont crash my text editor 
I will definitely be able to run regex over all of these lines in a reasonable amount of time
olive sable
the next step would be installing linux on my laptop, but not rn
the difference between the version that works and the one that doesnt isnt much anyways
i wanted to see if i could get it to work on windows to see the diffrence, but eh
amber fractal
Sam sent me binaries and I just did same os on live usb, still a bit of debugging tho
I do need a new leaderboard because I was pinged with the requests
Leaderboard
Sam - 18153 fps: linux CachyOs, 5950x, rtx3090
Iggly - 30573 fps: linux CachyOs, Z1 Extreme, AMD Phoenix (intergrated)
Shuni - 27158 fps: Linux NixOS, 7950X, AMD Raphael (integrated)
konii - 8894 fps: linux NixOS, 7600, amd raphael (integrated)
@olive sable Should we allow multiple systems?
amber fractal
I see the meta has changed a bit
Some diffs to prio intergrated gpu out of most of the contenders
Toast I'm sure is also on nix
olive sable
superbox said 4070ti but im wondering if the fps is even able to get that high with a dgpu
i think its more possible that it was running on the igpu
but idk
amber fractal
Unless he applied the patch to prio intergrated igpu then idk if it'd want to fall back to it
sage crag
```
Leaderboard
Sam - 18153 fps: linux CachyOs, 5950x, rtx3090
Iggly - 30573 fp...
what
no wrong
bad
olive sable
Unless he applied the patch to prio intergrated igpu then idk if it'd want to fa...
patch? idk if i made a patch for that lmao
olive sable
ah i see. okay
i jsut returnd 0 if it was a dgpu for testing
but it works pretty much the same way
tender river
welcome to nixos
olive sable
we love the epoch
tender river
the epoch is 1970
olive sable
is t?
tender river
it is
tender river
if you're making a nix package which requires zipping files building may fail unless you use ensureNewerSourcesForZipFilesHook
amber fractal
We love nix errors, as I'm trying to run the fps benchmark on my nix system
opaque sigil
Toast I'm sure is also on nix
yeah i got roughly 17k (fluctuated a lot) with a 5900X & 5070 ti on nixos if you feel like putting it on the list (i'm at the bottom )
speaking of nixos
TIL kde's google account integration has just been broken for a year on nix?
does nobody care
will have to find a different way to mount gdrive i guess
tender river
but its there
tender river
will have to find a different way to mount gdrive i guess <:neuroSadge:105923627...
rclone
opaque sigil
yeah will probs go that route
just find it kind of odd that oauth2 has been broken for so long and nobody seemed to be bothered enough to fix it
tender river
awawawawawa
no limine then back to systemd-boot
sage crag
opaque sigil
1.32 fps
tender river
1.32 fps <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
thats probably the cpu renderer
there was a patch somewhere
awaw #programming message
@olive sable fix your code so it adds 1000 to igpus and 2000 to dgpus or something
tender river
we want to use the igpu
prefer igpu over software renderer
tender river
olive sable
im geussing thats the "virtual gpu" then
bitter coral
Something tells me that I made a mistake somewhere with the ellipse generating algorithm
olive sable
aight update is out
if (deviceProperties.deviceType == VK_PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_DISCRETE_GPU) score += 1000;
if (deviceProperties.deviceType == VK_PHYSICAL_DEVICE_TYPE_INTEGRATED_GPU) score += 2000;
score += deviceProperties.limits.maxImageDimension2D;
olive sable
ye, rn the limiting factor is BUS latency
tender river
note that the old code preferred dgpus
olive sable
yep
my pc doesnt have an igpu tho so im basicly fucked
im gonna install cachyos on my laptop in a bit tho
amber fractal
is the throughput somehow better?
All of the best ones have been iGPU (thoughts are that superbox used iGPU as well but unfounded)
I've been testing on single gpu systems
true hemlock
you prefer igpu over dgpu?
it makes sense honestly, less latency for gpu communication since its not graphically intensive at all
tender river
mhm
olive sable
i wonder if i could make this run on a tablet
true hemlock
someone give me the linux binary again imma try again today
olive sable
cuz im not worried about pc performance, as soon as i reached 10k fps it was more of a victory lap. im worried about mobile tho
true hemlock
need cross platform compiling for mobile
opaque sigil
You could use android ndk but have fun
amber fractal
om
olive sable
im still not staticly linking vulkan cuz id need to include mesa i think and i dont know how
true hemlock
welp there goes the L2 chance
rigid snow
binaries downloaded from discord 
amber fractal
im still not staticly linking vulkan cuz id need to include mesa i think and i d...
Do not
opaque sigil
I don't think you can statically link vulkan can you
rigid snow
statically link the kernel
amber fractal
welp there goes the L2 chance
There is a non static version
Let me hunt that one as well
olive sable
its somewhere in this channel
true hemlock
There is a non static version
nah its going to be the same
it'll translate back to static linking on the threads
the binary itself being 16MB already ruled out L2 since the beginning
olive sable
https://github.com/samvanmaele/very-fast-but-very-bad-code-vulkan you can also just edit and compile yourself if you feel up to the task.
ive only managed to get the 1st commit to run on windows tho
the rest is pretty much "use linux or go to bugfix hell"
amber fractal
yeah i got roughly 17k (fluctuated a lot) with a 5900X & 5070 ti on nixos if you...
@olive sable leaderboard
olive sable
true hemlock
i might try it with 3 different system
amber fractal
I should also add my other system
true hemlock
13900 ES, threadripper 3990x, 10700
amber fractal
aka mine and not borrowed
olive sable
the rest is pretty much "use linux or go to bugfix hell"
its probably cuz i switched to vulkan 1.3 to use the newer vkQueueSubmit2 function thats 0.01% faster
true hemlock
13900 ES, threadripper 3990x, 10700
might do it on my 14600KF when i decided to overclock it like crazy with LN2
yes imma strike the whole leaderboard
olive sable
<@635476518692454420> leaderboard
fixed
amber fractal
You'll have to beat superbox first
true hemlock
what did he got
olive sable
leaderboard
1. superbox - 31188 fps: Linux mint, 12700K, RTX 4070Ti
2. Iggly - 30573 fps: linux CachyOs, Z1 Extreme, AMD Phoenix (intergrated)
3. Shuni - 27158 fps: Linux NixOS, 7950X, AMD Raphael (integrated)
4. konii - 23141 fps: linux NixOS, 7600X, AMD raphael (integrated)
5. Sam - 18153 fps: linux CachyOs, 5950x, RTX 3090
6. toast - 17000 fps: linux NixOS, 5900x, RTX 5070 ti
oh i absolutely will
true hemlock
he used igpu?
amber fractal
Maybe?
true hemlock
lucky that my 13900 have an igpu lol
olive sable
the igpu's have been faster so far in testing
true hemlock
aight brb in few minutes gotta go home and tinker with it
i feel like intel cpus sort of have the advantage here
multiple submission is allowed for different machine?
olive sable
we're only rendering 3 vertices, and a 200x200 window (triangle only rasterizes 1/8th of the actual screen). sofor this apparently the small amount of extra clock cycles needed on an igpu outweigh the latency of sending data down the pcie
amber fractal
Iggly - 18677 fps: Linux CachyOS, i7-1260p, Xe Graphics (integrated)
true hemlock
going to try on like 6 different machines
olive sable
we're only rendering 3 vertices, and a 200x200 window (triangle only rasterizes ...
1/8 * 200*200 = 5000. we're renering 5000 pixels
opaque sigil
I was going too ask for a submission with the h100 but then I remembered they lobotomised it
olive sable
bitter coral
I'm pretty sure the ellipses between those points don't look like that. This will be a bit tricky to find where i went wrong.
true hemlock
if i done it right i can easily beat superbox
13900 has better single thread than 12700K
olive sable
i havent gotten to using nsight yet so idk what is the actual limiting actor, but i think its the waiting on the gpu
true hemlock
you can in theory buffer more frames
true hemlock
nah
olive sable
wdym?
amber fractal
sage crag
fuck, ill try 25
memory bandwidth when
true hemlock
gotta figure out a way to make the cpu keep doing the work even while waiting for the gpu
sage crag
gotta figure out a way to make the cpu keep doing the work even while waiting fo...
i think its honestly not worth it
amber fractal
See the pull request
Markdown table 
true hemlock
i think its honestly not worth it
it could be worth it
it sort of ignores latency and just keep constant throughput
that's the idea with buffering
olive sable
sure, but that leaderboard in the pr is already out of date since iggly added a 2nd score of his other pc lmao
true hemlock
unless if sam handled the renderer differently for some reason
sage crag
i think its honestly not worth it
i expect the cost of sync primitives here is going to be too high to warrant async rendering unless your gpu thread is very heavy
amber fractal
sure, but that leaderboard in the pr is already out of date since iggly added a ...
I just did it with my pc, I borrowed from my sibling for the first one
amber fractal
Both of us have a fair amount of tech
true hemlock
fair amount of tech 
sage crag
amber fractal
I gave them the PS1 as they do more retro
olive sable
i honestly dont remember, but i vaguely think you changed to something when i changed to linux cuz of chay
and that probably was nix maybe probably perhaps
amber fractal
Nix mhm
sage crag
i honestly dont remember, but i vaguely think you changed to something when i ch...
i was already planning to but decided to accelerate my plans
bad poll its not about me
true hemlock
@olive sable just incase, can you give me binaries for frame buffering 16 and 32
need to test something
amber fractal
I think this is a programming poll and konii misnamed it
olive sable
uh sure
idk if it really counts as frame buffering, but its the frames in flight
as far as i can tell, from 7 on there was no diffrence on my pc
amber fractal
Quack using OSX (real)
tender river
the lengths konii goes to to inflate nixos adoption stats
opaque wharf
olive sable
on hyprland, how do you move the split inbetween your windows? ive been googling this for 20 min but i cant find it the right searchterm i guess
opaque wharf
I compile from source btw
olive sable
<:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
yep, that will happen if your gpu doesnt support that
decrease it from 7 to 5 then
tender river
on hyprland, how do you move the split inbetween your windows? ive been googling...
idk but on sway the default keybindings are mod+shift+hjkl
amber fractal
<:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
Might need shaders
olive sable
common_structs.hpp
i should really rename that
its just the thing that all the subfiles import so i dont have to pass them to each one using it
amber fractal
Might need shaders
Move the binary to src as temp fix
opaque wharf
olive sable
opaque wharf
My CPU is Ryzen 7 5700U with integrated graphics 
amber fractal
My CPU is Ryzen 7 5700U with integrated graphics <:evilWheeze:113131626035386788...
Intergrated is preferred mhm
opaque wharf
The highest it'll go
opaque wharf
Arch (btw)
sage crag
tender river
korb
tender river
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071784467036913664/1406727268285284442/k...
better than discord® orbs™
olive sable
i updated the leaderboard
olive sable
why is it i need to drag the file 4 times before discord accepts it on linux?
opaque wharf
Y'know, I'm pretty sure 5700U is Lucienne, but why does my console says it is using RADV Renoir
olive sable
i just googled it and it said radeon 8 so i just typed that
opaque wharf
Nah, I'm just talking to myself
I think they just didn't bother to rename things since Lucienne is the refresh (or whatever they call not-new-generation improvement) of Renoir IIRC
hoary lion
sam is consistently present
olive sable
i am omnipresent
besides the times i sleep, and when i eat
or when a new epsidoe come out of the 10 anime im watching
olive sable
amber fractal
16 binary, 32 was worse
olive sable
as expected
32 is a bit over the top, there you get more problems from memory managment than you save from lettignthe pcu run ahead
amber fractal
`Iggly - 18677 fps: Linux CachyOS, i7-1260p, Xe Graphics (integrated)`
Iggly - 23086 fps: Linux NixOS, i7-1260p, Xe Graphics (integrated)
I'll let it be replaced
olive sable
at 200 fps, a single frame is 5ms. letting the cpu run ahead 3 frames, which is the current prefered maximum in AAA gives a 15ms latency.
since we're dong 25000fps, a single frame is 0.04ms, and we're letting it run ahead 16 frames making it 0.64 ms of latency
so all in all it doesnt make a diffrence in terms of experience
amber fractal
It does kill fps tho, the 32 was 20k
olive sable
memory maangement ye
you could say "do manual memory managment" but the main issue is cpu clock cycles spent on the memory i think
not how its done
this is just my hypothesis tho, i could be wildly wrong
glad path
If i dont use the source program qm i still allowed to partake in this
I want to use my graphing calculator
olive sable
yes
amber fractal
There is a must be in vulkan requirement iirc
olive sable
if you can make vulkan run on the calcualtor ill allow it
that is the only requirement
most grpahing calcs wont support it i think, but there are soem that are jsut in ipod with a keyboard
opaque wharf
or when a new epsidoe come out of the 10 anime im watching
I just found out another Makoto Shinkai movie
amber fractal
true hemlock
Selected GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER (NVK AD104)
terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::length_error'
what(): cannot create std::vector larger than max_size()
lmao
olive sable
ye too many frames in flight
opaque wharf
Also <:neuroPogHD:1057778797056901130>
https://fixupx.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1...
I do wonder tho, in this case, is it the SSD manufacturer to blame, or windows
amber fractal
```
Selected GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER (NVK AD104)
terminate called aft...
Do you have a shaders folder?
olive sable
i like the emoticon
what ():
olive sable
Do you have a shaders folder?
oh is that something that also causes that messge?
amber fractal
That was the error on all of my binaries
true hemlock
ah, the one on your rep?
olive sable
yes
amber fractal
Just the two, i forgor the file ext
olive sable
you only really need a folder named shaders with the .spv files
cuz for vulkan you need to precompile your shaders, and the non-spv's are the original code
true hemlock
how do you run on igpu again
true hemlock
my default is my dgpu for some reason
amber fractal
@olive sable is the 16 built with the prio switch commit?
amber fractal
For science after all
olive sable
amber fractal
Doing some research program side
Seeing how much we can move off of the cpu
Mentioning vulkan can generate it's own draw calls
https://docs.vulkan.org/samples/latest/samples/performance/multi_draw_indirect/README.html#_cpu_vs_gpu_call_generation
Not sure if it is useful tbh
glass flower
generate the triangle using a mesh shader
true hemlock
yo
olive sable
ye i removed that, dynamics are a performance cost
olive sable
i could probablt
true hemlock
1024 aswell
olive sable
wtf is happening lmao
it expects the next row to start after x amount of pixels
and u made each row longer
amber fractal
<:5Head:775315295698419712> generate the triangle using a mesh shader
Compute shaders to keep procing the render, mesh shaders to optimize the single triangle more mhm
amber fractal
can you compile frame buffer 256
Something is telling me quack does not have memory issues
true hemlock
getting lower fps with gamemode 
amber fractal
glad I didn't test it
true hemlock
how do you run it btw
amber fractal
For binaries on nix I made sure to chmod them and used steam-run
The others on nix actually compiled from source
olive sable
1024 aswell
just gimme a min. im copying files from windows onto a usb so i can do put it in linux
true hemlock
For binaries on nix I made sure to chmod them and used steam-run
oh same lol
true hemlock
Something is telling me quack does not have memory issues
wait y'all have memory issues?
opaque wharf
what is libSDL3.a
libSDL3.a is just SDL3 but for linux
Specifically used to static linking
olive sable
it used to use sdl2, but i changed to sdl3 cuz its easier to install lmao
and slightly better multithreading under the hood
fading blaze
Which would you rather maintain?
1️⃣ Cobol codebase
2️⃣ Assembly codebase
3️⃣ Big AF Excel spreadsheet
4️⃣ AI App Builder startup
stark needle
4
opaque wharf
I prefer 3
glad path
3 obviously
olive sable
true hemlock
here, proof its legit
olive sable
i need to do the bookkeeping, could i get your info?
# Leaderboard
|# | Name | FPS | OS | CPU | GPU |
|--|----------|-------|---------------|------------|--------------------------------|
|1.| superbox | 31188 | Linux Mint | 12700K | RTX 4070Ti |
|2.| Iggly | 30573 | linux CachyOs | Z1 Extreme | AMD Phoenix |
|3.| Shuni | 27158 | Linux NixOS | 7950X | AMD Raphael (integrated) |
|4.| konii | 23141 | linux NixOS | 7600X | AMD raphael (integrated) |
|5.| Iggly | 18677 | Linux CachyOS | i7-1260p | Xe Graphics (integrated) |
|6.| Sam | 18153 | linux CachyOs | 5950x | RTX 3090 |
|7.| toast | 17000 | linux NixOS | 5900x | RTX 5070 ti |
|8.| unkomp | 9458 | linux Arch | 5700U | AMD Radeon Vega 8 (integrated) |
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