programming

[opaque sigil]

tape a phone to it

[noble zodiac]

surely I can come up with some hacky solution

[opaque wharf]

Make the QR in part

[noble zodiac]

hear me out, rectangular cods

[opaque wharf]

So you need to scan more than once

[ivory skiff]

╭━┳━╭━╭━╮╮
┃┈┈┈┣▅╋▅┫┃
┃┈┃┈╰━╰━━━━━━╮
╰┳╯┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈◢▉◣
┈┃┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈▉▉▉
┈┃┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈┈◥▉◤
┈┃┈┈┈┈╭━┳━━━━╯
┈┣━━━━━━┫

[fast pagoda]

brianstorm

[desert plaza]

erm so does fstat even exist on 32-bit linux

seems obsolete

[rough bloom]

it exists 3 times

old fstat, new fstat, and fstat64

[desert plaza]

fstat64 sounds like 64-bit though

[rough bloom]

64-bit sized values on 32-bit platform I guess

[desert plaza]

and oldfstat, is that not deprecated

[sage crag]

fstat64 sounds like 64 bit fstat on 32 bit platform

[rough bloom]

it probably is, but it's not like they can just remove it

[sage crag]

it would just be called fstat on x86_64

[sage crag]

they did make another 32 bit isa

not isa

syscall thingy

called x32 or something

it has its own numbers

[rough bloom]

looks like there is no fstat64 on x86_64, yeah

[opaque wharf]

x86_64 needs to get obsolete already

[sage crag]

nah

[desert plaza]

mhm

[sage crag]

x86 is not really a problem

[fast pagoda]

riscV's moment

[desert plaza]

why 64-bit when 32-bit do trick

[hollow spruce]

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module>
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'torch'

[sage crag]

or at least, i do agree, but id prefer if x86 and the various ARMs also go away

[olive sable]

this took like 7-9 hours to set up, but i have my audio screen with the thumbnail and spectogram in the waybar

[fast pagoda]

if i were to wager a guess you need to install torch

[opaque wharf]

Oh no, Sam is in his ricing arc

[olive sable]

i am

and its glorious

[hollow spruce]

It's already but not the main env mode

[sage crag]

its ridiculous that a forum or company can control the usage of an instructionset that most contemporary software is designed to run on

[opaque wharf]

It is what it is

[sage crag]

not if i have anything to say about it

[olive sable]

ignore the wall of warnings btw, ive decided to do so too

[fast pagoda]

risc 6

[opaque sigil]

i remember risc-v being used for some hpc stuff, wonder how that's been going

[sage crag]

by the way there will be a simple cpu running hbvm in the future

[desert plaza]

do you?

[sage crag]

dont catdespair me, its part of what hbvm was intended for

[opaque wharf]

Complete with however many register that the spec needs?

[hollow spruce]

When i join vc mode then my media player goes very low quality
Why
24/320kbps
To 8/24kbps

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

linus was mad at risc-v

[sage crag]

obviously?

[opaque sigil]

https://dare-riscv.eu/ found it, i think this is what i was thinking of

[opaque wharf]

Pretty good actually

[sage crag]

wasnt it with the trash code submitted

[olive sable]

are you using bt headphones? input and ouptut over bt makes everything sound like shit

[desert plaza]

256 register cpu lets go

[fast pagoda]

garbage is he put it yes*

[opaque wharf]

Then you have this guy from your country
https://youtu.be/HRfbQJ6FdF0?feature=shared

[desert plaza]

erm does newfstat exist on 32-bit

[opaque sigil]

risc-v is nice for very specific use cases i guess, but it being as open as it is does lead to compatibility nightmares i'd imagine

[fast pagoda]

i saw raja started some sort of risc-v based company

koduri

[rough bloom]

yeah, it should

[opaque wharf]

How big will the cpu be?

[desert plaza]

i can't find

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Germany can have the craziest engineer sometimes

Either Germany or Australia for some reason

[sage crag]

likely as small as any other cheap fabbed cpu

shwa

[opaque wharf]

Make each register a RISC-V device with this one simple trick (yes, it's the same video)
https://youtu.be/HRfbQJ6FdF0

[sage crag]

erf

no thankies

[opaque wharf]

So the register can perform any arbitrary thing

[sage crag]

hbvm isa could really do with some extensions like parallel register ops

since it has 256 registers it would be a tiny lil gpu

[olive sable]

aight imma eat

cya

the linux stuff has been really cool but its been 18h since i had food

[hollow spruce]

TODAY STUFF IS GOING OUT OF MY BRAIN
(SHUT THE FUCK UP TEACH)

[opaque wharf]

The purpose of a supercomputer is to convert a computational problem into a bandwidth problem

- Youtube comment

This makes me think, that 256 RISC-V is small enough to fit in a nano satellite I think

Imagine having 256 RISC-V compute power anywhere anytime just with a single antenna

[opaque sigil]

me when i use multithreading and now communication makes it even slower

[sage crag]

this is why real thread pools use green threads

bwa

[rough bloom]

<!-- -->

[sage crag]

markdown and html

ban

[jagged turtle]

{/* */}

[desert plaza]

; comment

[sage crag]

i forgot to add this

good choice honestly i forgot lisp does this

and no other language

[desert plaza]

oh it does?

[fierce nova]

you don't need comments, your code should be good enough without them

[desert plaza]

without comments, my code just looks like a hexdump

[sage crag]

assuming that everyone will be competent enough to use your code without comments is how you get no contributors

unfortunately im too busy making bad code to make comments

[desert plaza]

my language does ; comments

[sage crag]

hexdump isnt a language

you cpu

[desert plaza]

no no, my bare hex use # for comments

i'm talking about a language i'm making

well

"language"

basically hexdump++

[fierce nova]

a lot of you guys here very unwell I would say. And I'm here only for like 2 days

Grok or chatgpt for general coding questions?

[jagged turtle]

documentation

(any language's documentation should suffice if you understand it)

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/its-time-to-stop-stop-clock-time-gif-5001372

[fierce nova]

it's soooo 2022 answer

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-stop-get-some-help-michael-jordan-gif-7964841

[desert plaza]

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[rigid snow]

question, how were you planning to tx the sdp answer? also the ggwave/jibberlink thing will probably work better if there’s lots of data, also solves the answer transmission problem

two-way comms with that solve it i mean

[noble zodiac]

I tested ggwave and its tx rate is too low

[desert plaza]

i don't think AI can help me (with my code)

[rigid snow]

you can crank it

[opaque sigil]

why am i getting a yt ad for an nfl match sent to me to a google plus mail in 2025

wtf is this

[rigid snow]

quite safely

and select a freq range wide enough

and reencode sdps into your own encoding

there’s a lot of room for optimization

[noble zodiac]

iono, I did some math and even with the fastest algos it would take a minute

[opaque wharf]

How many MB of data is your SDP?

[rigid snow]

drop streams you don’t need

[stark needle]

I did the poor financial decision of buying a 2nd rtx 3090

[noble zodiac]

if this doesnt work I will give audio another try. Tho I'm not too keen on coding that stuff

[nocturne olive]

That's crazy

The more 3090s the better

[stark needle]

I'll be updating everything but my psu 😭😭😭

Still running on 750w somehow

[nocturne olive]

750W won't cut it for double 3090, the GPUs would eat all of it alone

[stark needle]

I somehow can't justify paying +200 for a friggin power supply

[south needle]

y not a rtx 6000 pro????

[stark needle]

I aint rich man

That's like 10k

[south needle]

but rtx 6000 pro!!!

[nocturne olive]

If I had the money I would be getting a second 3090 for myself too, but sadly I'm completely broke from getting the first one

[south needle]

96 gb of vram and it can render anime waifus 69 times per second. that's just a bold statement as an excuse

[nocturne olive]

Double 3090 is already 48GB VRAM and can train vocal synthesizers probably pretty well

[hollow spruce]

Me too i can't but rtx 3090

[nocturne olive]

Do you even have a first 3090?

[south needle]

yeah but it has to go over the pcie lanes and memory bandwith isn't the best

[hollow spruce]

None GTX 450

[nocturne olive]

NVLink:

[nocturne olive]

Whuhhhhh

[south needle]

does rtx3090 still have nvlink?

[hollow spruce]

None use sli

[nocturne olive]

Yes, it's the final consumer grade GPU (other than the 3090 Ti) to have NVLink
And I think the only one at that too

After that they deprecated NVLink and p2p

[south needle]

might want to switch to your amd 9900x3d internal gpu

[olive sable]

lmao

ye it would be faster

[hollow spruce]

I don't have the budget for now

[olive sable]

the igpu is already there supposedly

it would be free

[hollow spruce]

WHICH IS FASTEST CPU AVAILABLE FOR CONSUMER ?

[south needle]

please consider changing your name to 402 then

[maiden geyser]

you could've bought a 4090, that's a poor financial decision

[olive sable]

depends on the usecase. for gaming the 9950x3d

[nocturne olive]

For ML double 3090 is better than single 4090

[maiden geyser]

wait for bLLC

[hollow spruce]

I BORED WHILE PLAYING
SO I STOPPED PLAYING GAME
(MY MOST GAME IS *******)

[maiden geyser]

"that" about buying a 4090

[nocturne olive]

No, the 9800X3D is the fastest for gaming, something something not all cores have 3DvCache

[olive sable]

oh ye

true

they park the cores

i think the difference is negligible int he newer ones tho

game dependant, with 9950x3d being on top most of the time

[south needle]

or a single rtx 6000 pro

[hollow spruce]

My first' thought was
But the Ryzen threadripper for my deep learning task does not mean gaming

[opaque sigil]

get the 9950X3DX2

[nocturne olive]

That thing is not worth it
If the price claim of 10K would be correct, quad 3090 would be better value

[opaque sigil]

quad 3090

[south needle]

but you know whats better than two rtx 3090's? a h200 xD

[nocturne olive]

If I could afford a single RTX 6000 pro, I could afford a quad 3090 PC

[olive sable]

9950XTX3D

[nocturne olive]

Just stack more 3090s for the same price and you have something more worth it

[opaque sigil]

if only it worked that way

[south needle]

nah, bc then you have to go over networking to a second machine, and training would be really slow since memory bandwidth isn't great

[rough bloom]

XFX RX 7900 XTX

[nocturne olive]

You know Threadrippers have enough lanes for a bunch of 3090s, right?

With the price difference of a H200 to a ton of 3090s you could easily afford Threadrippers for the excess

[olive sable]

if i could afford all that stuff and if i did ai, which i cant and dont, then i would stack the modded 3090's with that extra vram

[rigid snow]

[nocturne olive]

Imagine how great of a NeuroSynth I could make with all that

[rigid snow]

[hollow spruce]

I CANT TRAIN AI MORE THEN 244 B PARAMETER WITH 24 GIGS OF VRAM
RENTED BY GOOGLE COLLABE

[opaque wharf]

See you guys at the stream later

[olive sable]

bro really like google collab with all caps

[nocturne olive]

244B? You mean 24B?

[hollow spruce]

24B

[stark needle]

??

[nocturne olive]

Also what kind of model anyway? No way 24GB could train a NeuroSynth model of size 24B

[stark needle]

U can train a model via unsloth and lora

In 4bit

Mistral small

[south needle]

to train a 24B model you'll need a datacenter xD

[nocturne olive]

For pretraining sure

Finetuning a 24B would work on 24GB

LLM

[hollow spruce]

Only using is torchvision and text to speech model with
Still 24 GIGS is best

U know that setup is weird one

[nocturne olive]

Why are you making a 24B text to speech model?

[rigid snow]

bro is elevenlabs

[noble zodiac]

I added a single crate and now it takes 12s to build the wasm module

[tender river]

; is used in scheme and common lisp, -- is used in haskell and sql, % is used in prolog,

[noble zodiac]

ok, since when can you if let without an if but with an else

and why has no one vrtold me

ASFKJYHASFKJHA

goddamn keyboard and its goddamn sticky e

I wont edit that 5 times

[olive sable]

what

[sage crag]

let-else chains are recently stable

[sage crag]

awa

[olive sable]

awa

[noble zodiac]

its not the chain part its the missing if

[sage crag]

awaawa

wawa

[opaque sigil]

where's the git repo

[sage crag]

nyope

[noble zodiac]

    let Ok(x) = foo else {
        return;
    };

[tender river]

this is like a year old

[noble zodiac]

never seen that before in any code

[tender river]

or a bit more

i wish else supported arbitrary exprs to put in place of the binding but it only supports ! exprs

it makes sense since patterns may have multiple holes in them and since you can just do it with if else anyway

[noble zodiac]

didnt they recently have breaking changes about !

[opaque sigil]

they added this in 1.65 btw, so november 2022

[noble zodiac]

guess I never saw it because... if you have a Result and want to return 99% of times you would just ? it

[sage crag]

// could be
let Ok(x) = foo else { return };
// or
let x = if let Ok(x) = foo { x } else { return };
// or
let x = match foo {
    Ok(x) => x,
    _ => return,
};
// or
let x;
if foo.is_ok() { x = foo.unwrap() } } else { return }
// or (it goes on forever)

rust

infinite ways of doing the same thing

[sage crag]

especially if you use something like eyre or anyhow

[opaque sigil]

i like doing this kind of thing sometimes, is nice

[warped narwhal]

what is that font

[sage crag]

comic mono

[noble zodiac]

In my own case I would either directly ? or do map_err()?

[warped narwhal]

[opaque sigil]

*comic code

[sage crag]

alternatively

let text = response.text().context("Failed to get response text")?;

[warped narwhal]

depends on if you need to change the error into a different type

if you do, then map_err()?, if you don't then just ?

[noble zodiac]

in most cases errors are not recoverable in which case I use String as the Error type

[warped narwhal]

then .expect() may what you want if you are ok with panicing

[opaque sigil]

good point actually

[noble zodiac]

I only use expect at spots where an error really shouldnt be possible

bro I'm crashing out. replaced the qrcode scanning crate, now it works really well on desktop but stopped working on mobile

[midnight sigil]

https://docs.github.com/en/github-models

[sage crag]

wow! i'm never going to use this

@tender river turns out you can entirely disable xserver

[tender river]

yuh

[sage crag]

everyone said it wouldnt work

bwa

never trust the internet

[tender river]

might want to enable libinput in that case

idk what it does

surely its useful

[sage crag]

um no

[opaque sigil]

i feel like completely disabling xserver is just asking for trouble

[sage crag]

awa

didnt need it for osu

[tender river]

xwayland should still work

[opaque sigil]

does it?

[sage crag]

ok next step

replacing networkmanager

[opaque sigil]

if so that's fine then i guess

[sage crag]

i do not need it

[tender river]

i use iwd for wifi, if you dont even need wifi then systemd-networkd is enough probably

[sage crag]

i only need ethernet

might just replace it with dhcp and move on

[tender river]

systemd.network.enable should just work oob, may or may not require a reboot

and just disabling networkmanager and not doing anything else should also just work

[sage crag]

8

[rough bloom]

it does

Xorg is disabled by default, no reason to enable it if using a Wayland compositor

source: am using Hyprland with XWayland, did not enable xserver

[sage crag]

looks like i only have dhcpcd running

actually resolvconf too

[tender river]

oh true plasma 6 doesnt enable it

[sage crag]

good defaults

[sage crag]

ive been figuring out how this stuff works

managed to put the package somewhere less godawful

[tender river]

[sage crag]

uh oh why is my internet being funny

[stark needle]

konii

wtf is ur wifi

[sage crag]

eithernet

ethernet*

[sage crag]

im trying to remove krunner but i cant :vedalDepress:

[tender river]

its part of plasma-desktop/plasma-workspace packages so i doubt you'd be able to remove it yeah

[sage crag]

how do i remove it anyway

[tender river]

overlays

patch package code to not build krunner

[sage crag]

how

[tender river]

https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Overlays

also theres a very cursory introduction in the wall of text i sent you

[sage crag]

shwa

[opaque wharf]

Djikstra anyone?

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

You know it will be a banger

[rough bloom]

my awaterpreter is not ready for this yet

[opaque wharf]

I have failed to fall asleep and decided to look for cursed stuff

[haughty basin]

Hello world in Rust vs ES6 (this actually compiles in babel 🤣)

[opaque sigil]

i hate that i understand all of that

[haughty basin]

right? How much syntax sugar do we actually need? 🙂

[opaque wharf]

awa?

[tender river]

this might work

final: prev: {
  plasmaWorkspace = prev.plasmaWorkspace.overrideAttrs (old: {
    preConfigure = (old.preConfigure or '') + ''
      substituteInPlace CMakeLists.txt --replace "add_subdirectory(krunner)" ""
    '';
  });
}

NOTE this relies on using spaces, if you use tabs the string is not gonna be well formatted, idk how well bash handles that it may or may not work

[haughty basin]

I love the cryptic ℍ𝕖𝕝𝕝𝕠 as a class name 🤣

[sage crag]

it in fact does not work

[tender river]

plasma-workspace isntead of plasmaWorkspace

typo

[sage crag]

there is an unmatched ''

[tender river]

im silly

[opaque wharf]

Use space

[tender river]

replace the first '' with ""

[sage crag]

pardon

[tender river]

the first '' with ""

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Does nix interpret different quote differently?

[sage crag]

nixpkgs.overlays = [
    (import ./overlays/plasma6-remove.nix)
  ];

am i doing this right

[tender river]

sure

[sage crag]

in that file

final: prev: {
  plasma-workspace = prev.plasma-workspace.overrideAttrs (old: {
    preConfigure = (old.preConfigure or "") + ''
      substituteInPlace CMakeLists.txt --replace "add_subdirectory(krunner)" ""
    '';
  });
}

awa

[tender river]

i personally use much less imports

but you can structure your code however you want

[sage crag]

i can confirm i still have krunner

[tender river]

oh i forgor

plasma-workspace is not a top-level package

its part of kdePackages

so uh

[opaque wharf]

It's always fun when '' ≠ ""

[opaque sigil]

more like '' ≠ "

[tender river]

final: prev: {
  kdePackages = prev.kdePackages.overrideScope (final: prev: {
    # whatever there was in the overlay above
  });
}

[rough bloom]

also random thing but you may want to use --replace-fail instead of --replace
pretty sure that --replace is deprecated

[tender river]

true

[opaque wharf]

What is ''?

[rough bloom]

'' is multiline, " isn't

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

So I assume ` is used for something else?

[sage crag]

it compiling

i give up

[opaque sigil]

what did you expect

[sage crag]

bye bye krunner

without compiling

[opaque sigil]

i don't think it's used at all but i could be wrong

[rough bloom]

no
I wasn't 100% sure but I grepped a bunch of directories full of Nix files and it's all just Markdown

[opaque wharf]

[stark needle]

cool pin i got from my stepmom

It's from yandex

[noble zodiac]

thought about giving mobile firefox a try

doesn't even work with my own website

good talk

[desert plaza]

practically same speed, and why is time elapsed less than the total of sys and user

[sage crag]

you cant do 1 run of each and say they are the same speed

add -r 1000 to the perf stat command

[desert plaza]

aight

[tender river]

ideally you'd run it on different files on each iteration too

[minor crag]

How in the hell do I bypass needing a windows account??

[desert plaza]

er can i have command

am not a shell wizard

[tender river]

no

[desert plaza]

[desert plaza]

i did the runs

i've never used perf

[tender river]

look for alternatives to bypassnro

[minor crag]

Only one I found didn't work

[desert plaza]

konii, they're practically the same, and the fstat is more complicated to use than lseek

[minor crag]

I just put it into audit mode

[midnight sigil]

we have gpt5 in copilot now

what if I tell it to refactor my whole codebase

[hollow spruce]

What 🤣🤣🤣
Dumb get more dumb with hard edition
(Chatgpt 4o op)
Five 🤡

[sage crag]

at the very least you saved cpu cycles

the only reasom that it would be slower now is the kernel, your algorithm, or an elf quirk when loading the binary

[hollow spruce]

Delete ( #z#+86) games on stream

[desert plaza]

my algorithm?

[midnight sigil]

can you rephrase

[midnight sigil]

reasom

:neuroTrue:

[hollow spruce]

SO URE VIBE CODER ?
WELL OK so
WHY USING CHATGPT (?)

[midnight sigil]

I vibe properly

[hollow spruce]

God dammit windows i can't uninstall edge

[pulsar edge]

is there a #programming bingo card now or something?

[noble zodiac]

there have been multiple since we keep getting bingos

[pulsar edge]

interesting

[hollow spruce]

Deleting visual code studio

[pulsar edge]

anyways the big things have concluded

[midnight sigil]

you can with regedit and some tomfoolery

[desert plaza]

[midnight sigil]

I love tomfoolery

[hollow spruce]

ANY THIRD-PARTY APPS ?

[pulsar edge]

I'm surprised the hiyori emotes are still here

[midnight sigil]

reinstall your windows with AtlasOS

[opaque sigil]

(don't)

[midnight sigil]

[hollow spruce]

UPDATE URE VIRUS AND THREATS PROTECTION

[midnight sigil]

I use a third party anti-virus

I turned core protection and shit back on

[hollow spruce]

wsl - install Ubuntu

[midnight sigil]

I also have wsl, but debian

[pulsar edge]

as time goes on, I get more and more annoyed by my third party AV

[olive mango]

w

[midnight sigil]

why

[midnight sigil]

btw arch > kali > debian > ubuntu

[hollow spruce]

What is arch I heard lots

[pulsar edge]

because its much slower than defender, it's more paranoid than defender, and it keeps blocking my IDE

[midnight sigil]

linux

[midnight sigil]

what av you use

[pulsar edge]

and adding exclusions is an awful charade that takes like 5 minutes

kaspersky

only on my laptop though

desktop is defender

[midnight sigil]

defender does false positives too much

[hollow spruce]

I USED 3 ANTIVIRUS PROGRAMMES
SUCH AS
ANTIVIRUS (PRO)
NET PROTECTOR (2020)
KASPERSKY
AND LAST WINDOWS DEFENDER (USELESS)

[midnight sigil]

and the rule triggers are not intuitive

I use Huorong instead

pretty good I'd say

[pulsar edge]

never heard of it

[midnight sigil]

it's a china av

[desert plaza]

british detected

[midnight sigil]

it's kernel level

privacy might be an issue, but people digged it down and say it's safer than that one anti cheat

[sage crag]

they carry too much feeling to be removed

[midnight sigil]

[hollow spruce]

Bro can u help me to learn chinese

[midnight sigil]

💀 just use duolingo

I can't help

[sage crag]

[hollow spruce]

Well i got blue screen of death again
(Third time)

[sage crag]

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

Grats

[midnight sigil]

oh man when did I switched to nwero instead of nuero

11 months ago

[vestal torrent]

On topic now🙂‍↕️

[midnight sigil]

you can get technical on any topics though

[vestal torrent]

Chesse

[midnight sigil]

do you meant cheese

[vestal torrent]

Technically if I said I'm programming a CHESSE game I wouldn't be in the wrong

It's on topic

And we can still talk about CHESSE

[midnight sigil]

describe the game CHESSE plz

let's start from the name

[hollow spruce]

IDLE is not working

[vestal torrent]

Coding is CHESSE name is CHESSE topic is CHEESE

[vestal torrent]

I just got home from programming classes my brain is fried chat

I'm heading to main chat

[midnight sigil]

what does CHESSE stands for

[vestal torrent]

Central heading estate standards stand erase

Ggaj

[midnight sigil]

that sounds dope

[vestal torrent]

Very

[midnight sigil]

is there a demo of Central Heading Estate Standards Stand Erase?

[vestal torrent]

No🥺

[midnight sigil]

aww

[vestal torrent]

🧀

[hollow spruce]

I can't uninstall the python model it corrupted

[small anvil]

I love how I know what you’re talking about 😭😭

[rough bloom]

I need to remove ligatures
what is this abomination

[small anvil]

😓

==

[rough bloom]

wrong

[small anvil]

yes i know

[rough bloom]

>>=

[small anvil]

=

i know the operator

i was just trying to replicate the ligature in text

[rough bloom]

I do not, I rarely write JS
saw this in existing code that I didn't write

[fading olive]

ligatures are an abomination

[small anvil]

[rough bloom]

oh, it's just right shift assignment
I don't know why I expected this to do something different

too used to the |> pipe operator I guess

[small anvil]

imo it makes the code look nicer, but nice code is subjective

[small anvil]

turns it into a triangle ligature

that would be funny

[rough bloom]

it does

[small anvil]

no way

[small anvil]

[fading olive]

maybe it's ok if you're vibe coding or something and never have to actually write or read the code

[small anvil]

press to play

now pair that with the logical or operator

[rough bloom]

yeah, I think ligatures look nice but really suck for readability

[small anvil]

i would like to think they would work better if you know what all the ligatures look like, for example that triangle one you know is a |> operator, but theres so many and it makes it kinda difficult to tell

imo i only used them cause they looked nice, in my experience it never affected readability although that changes for every person

[fading olive]

Next thing you know people will be switching to variable width fonts because it looks nicer.

[sage crag]

most monospace coding fonts arent monospace

lol

[opaque sigil]

Just don't use haskell and there shouldn't be any problems with ligatures

[sage crag]

my main problem with ligatures is "false positives"

when im doing parethesis or something and then font decides its a great place to chuck a random symbol

[opaque sigil]

huh

[opaque wharf]

Nested <>

Or 😦

[opaque sigil]

i guess that could happen with fonts that have a ton of them

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

::(

[sage crag]

sad face with glasses

[opaque wharf]

B)

[opaque sigil]

i personally never really ran into that tbh

[opaque wharf]

How

[opaque wharf]

That how was not for this

[opaque sigil]

btw there's a discord setting for turning off the auto replacement with emojis

[opaque wharf]

Imma find it

[opaque wharf]

Nice :(

Yeo

Yep

[opaque wharf]

The solution is to use APL or BQN or a similar language that uses glyph instead

[opaque sigil]

i'm a simple man, i like looking at pretty arrows

[opaque wharf]

Turbofish

Apparently that is an emoji somewhere

[rough bloom]

where could that be

[hoary lion]

https://huggingface.co/google/gemma-3-270m-it

[rough bloom]

270M

[opaque wharf]

Finally, a model I can run

Will it be good? No. But holy shit does it run

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894865038895091743/1401376224630149280/12907412_142ca.gif

[cosmic sphinx]

https://x.com/googleaidevs/status/1956023961294131488
lets gooo
another model I wont ever be able to run

Google AI Developers (@googleaidevs)

Introducing Gemma 3 270M! 🚀 It sets a new standard for instruction-following in compact models, while being extremely efficient for specialized tasks. https://t.co/kC9OOPwzVi

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:03 PM

wait

are my eyes blind

[rough bloom]

yes

[cosmic sphinx]

270 MILLION params?

[opaque sigil]

[cosmic sphinx]

[sage crag]

seems like someone has a memory leak

if only we could have prevented this

[cosmic sphinx]

https://x.com/AIatMeta/status/1956027795051831584

AI at Meta (@AIatMeta)

Introducing DINOv3: a state-of-the-art computer vision model trained with self-supervised learning (SSL) that produces powerful, high-resolution image features. For the first time, a single frozen vision backbone outperforms specialized solutions on multiple long-standing dense

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:19 PM

this another AI product release thursday?

[sage crag]

self-supervised learning (SSL)

nice one facebook

[uneven pulsar]

.

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[rough bloom]

New role unlocked you have

[uneven pulsar]

.

[pulsar edge]

so true

I hate ligatures

[stark needle]

7b for a vision backbone is dumb

[stark needle]

this is so dumb

just uh

dont use llms at that size

[cosmic sphinx]

tbh, fine tuning it to some field that you'd want to grab information on quickly even on your phone anywhere would be useful

especially if its as good at following instructions as claimed

[desert plaza]

welcome back, ekness

[uneven pulsar]

was left i mean

[desert plaza]

wdym

[uneven pulsar]

okay i did get hacked

but i did get it back

[cosmic sphinx]

[uneven pulsar]

i fough back

[rigid snow]

not ts again

[uneven pulsar]

it was an pakistan hacker who was in my neightbor hood

[rigid snow]

[stray dragon]

ekness why lie when everyone knows you're lying

[desert plaza]

bro you're switching between stories every other second

becond*

[uneven pulsar]

like wtf you want me to say

[desert plaza]

idk

[stray dragon]

just don't explain

simple

[rigid snow]

this is a public chatroom you don’t have to say anything if you don’t want to

[uneven pulsar]

👍

[rigid snow]

we’re just questioning why’d you wanna say that

[uneven pulsar]

so i can have an excuse to leave

[rigid snow]

you can just leave

[uneven pulsar]

nothing big

👍

[rigid snow]

i don’t think anyone needs an excuse here

i can never come back here and nobody will say anything

[uneven pulsar]

well i think we should forget about it and move on to live our lives

[desert plaza]

ok

[uneven pulsar]

well idk it wasn't that big or much of a drama just confusion

lets just forget about it

[desert plaza]

ok

[stray dragon]

you could just stop typing

[uneven pulsar]

ok

[stray dragon]

ok

[rigid snow]

most valuable #programming exchange

[uneven pulsar]

lets forget about it

and move it

like good there was no drama

[rigid snow]

oh i’m moving it

[uneven pulsar]

just some confusion

[stray dragon]

you can just stop talking about it instead of saying this

lmfao

[desert plaza]

i believe we are getting trolled

[rigid snow]

crazy style

[stray dragon]

"ok"
"guys let's move on"
"ok"
"guys let's move on"
"ok"

[uneven pulsar]

ok

[stray dragon]

no this dude is actually just like this all the time

if it's trolling it's the most dedicated bait i've ever seen

[desert plaza]

all 13k messages are like this?

[stray dragon]

yes.

[rigid snow]

born to be a ragebaiter, but chose the wrong channel

bro thinks this is nn

[stray dragon]

no he talks in general too

[rigid snow]

still wrong channel

[uneven pulsar]

dude i am not rage baiting

okay i think i should shut the fuck up

[stray dragon]

i know

[uneven pulsar]

bye

[stray dragon]

ok

[desert plaza]

ok

[rigid snow]

ok

[rough bloom]

[desert plaza]

brainfuck mention

[uneven pulsar]

anyways i been working with c++

also....can discord bot be coded in c++

[hoary lion]

bwa

someone pls dm if they have tried extending vocab

on pretrained lm

im struggling rn

[fierce pasture]

if it does have the library I guess

like python with discord.py

[uneven pulsar]

oh

what about typescript

[stray dragon]

you can call in code from other languages from your program in python or whatever if the discord api isn't available in c++

[fierce pasture]

idk don't take my word, I'm a noob

[stray dragon]

definitely

there's a js version

[uneven pulsar]

wait you can USE IT?

[uneven pulsar]

i want ts

[rigid snow]

it 100% is a thing

[stray dragon]

typescript is js

[rigid snow]

for cpp i mean

[stray dragon]

it gets converted to js

[fierce pasture]

that's js basically

[uneven pulsar]

oh ok

[stray dragon]

it's just js but with some extra formatting for data types so you can see if you're doing something wrong in the editor

raw js code will work in typescript without modifications

[uneven pulsar]

it managed to well speak lol

[rigid snow]

the only limitation i see for a language or platform or whatever to not support the discord api is maybe you need memory allocation like chay mentioned a while ago when i brought up nostd rust for that exact purpose

but then mind the maybe

[stray dragon]

yeah you are just calling an api in the end

[rigid snow]

and you definitely have malloc in cpp

on that topic, why can’t you give memory back in wasm why can you only grow it

[uneven pulsar]

well honestly maybe its irrelevant to make discord bots in c++ since the language is about hardware management etc stuff and plus discord and js are enough cuz idk ease to use stuff now i would add elexir as a ussable language for coding bots

[stray dragon]

what

[rigid snow]

elixir sounds fun

[uneven pulsar]

its easy

[sage crag]

what da hell are you doing nix

[uneven pulsar]

really

[uneven pulsar]

elexir is easy

[rigid snow]

i didn’t say hard

[uneven pulsar]

i am explaning to t

[stray dragon]

then use it if you think it'll save you time

[rough bloom]

safety reasons I guess? if you shrink the memory allocation then you could have remaining pointers that point into the now freed space

[rough bloom]

it is

[rigid snow]

i meant a discord bot in it specifically

[uneven pulsar]

beh python is enough unless if your stupid

[stray dragon]

then why focus on language so much

[uneven pulsar]

its concept

and capabilities

[rough bloom]

probably still is
Elixir is just nice for anything server-side web-related I think
-# and probably networking in general but mostly web

[uneven pulsar]

better than php

[tender river]

electron

[sage crag]

electron

[uneven pulsar]

isnt nix like json but with functions

[sage crag]

if you mean, a static declarative configuration language

with functions

then yesh

[uneven pulsar]

yeah

[uneven pulsar]

likeeeeee what can it be used for

[tender river]

for building software

for building any files, really

[uneven pulsar]

oh so build stuff like zip

[tender river]

reproducibly and purely

[uneven pulsar]

they say its hard

to learn

[tender river]

its hard if you dont have linux and functional programming experience

[uneven pulsar]

yeah..

[sage crag]

its hard to enter even with both of those things

[uneven pulsar]

like you can build zip files

[sage crag]

[uneven pulsar]

didn't chayleaf say you can use it to build files

[sage crag]

anyway, once you get used to it its arguably far easier than manually configuring your system

[uneven pulsar]

like i know its like json so it dose have some features of it and uses functions soo?

[tender river]

about equally as hard (barring the rebuild latency ) but with the benefit that if you did it once you can do it any number of times

[tender river]

its better to compare it to haskell than json

[uneven pulsar]

who even use haskell😭

[tender river]

a lot of people

for personal projects

but its not really used by companies

except in fintech

[uneven pulsar]

dose it even have a point to use

[tender river]

???

languages that dont have a point are not used

[uneven pulsar]

that language is like malbologe

[tender river]

it is not

[sage crag]

haskell is not an esolang

[uneven pulsar]

whar can you use it for

[tender river]

for anything

[sage crag]

literally anything

[tender river]

its a general purpose language

[uneven pulsar]

like...look idk

[tender river]

it might not be a good idea to use it for literally anything, like any language, it has strong and weak sides

but you can do that

[sage crag]

if you dont know then go and do research rather than making baseless assertions

[uneven pulsar]

well after reading Data Science and Machine Learning:
Libraries for numerical computation and data analysis enable its use in data-intensive applications.

wow

and its used by pro devs

[sage crag]

its been 1 minute

[stray dragon]

he really just asked chatgpt and then said he read the book

ain't no way

[uneven pulsar]

didn't

[sage crag]

its been a minute

[uneven pulsar]

used reddrit

[sage crag]

you didnt read it then

[uneven pulsar]

i type fast

[desert plaza]

"reddrit"

[sage crag]

typing fast wrong is the same as typing correctly slowly

[stray dragon]

[sage crag]

oh my god

[stray dragon]

this creature is funny

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

[stray dragon]

so big now

[sage crag]

prepare for double

[tender river]

you can use this as an introduction into haskell https://haskellbook.com/img/sample.pdf
of course, you will have to actually read

[raven dock]

wow

[stray dragon]

no way.....

[sage crag]

bnub

bignub

[opaque sigil]

https://yager.io/CrashCourse/Haskell.html

[sage crag]

pascal case cant click it

sorry

[uneven pulsar]

so haskel can be used in theoretical math concepts and testing in some programming concepts such as of compiling or what ever stuff after reading 2 articles about it its not very used cuz not demanded in the programming field tho but can be used in some cases

[opaque sigil]

[uneven pulsar]

and machine learning

not to note much

[sage crag]

claude ai

[uneven pulsar]

no

[stray dragon]

gemini

[uneven pulsar]

i typed it my self

[tender river]

om

[uneven pulsar]

gemini gives short answers

[stray dragon]

your answers are short

[raven dock]

i just ask mine now

[uneven pulsar]

wanna compare it

[stray dragon]

checks out

[uneven pulsar]

what??

[stray dragon]

no i don't care

[uneven pulsar]

ok

[stray dragon]

have you seen the answers other ai put out

anything less than 10 lines is short

[uneven pulsar]

i didn't but whatever

plus i am out of chatts

but its okay

[uneven pulsar]

this is the internet after all

[sage crag]

no way

[stray dragon]

i wish this dude was baiting tbh

[raven dock]

I spent all my money on windsurf

[uneven pulsar]

what did i do??

[rigid snow]

you can just prompt any ai to give answers of any length

[fierce pasture]

this channel is the best one 😐

[uneven pulsar]

your a pro baiter and i respect it🫡

[uneven pulsar]

this is why i hate ai you cant tell anything anymore

[rigid snow]

i LOOOVE ai BatChest

[uneven pulsar]

like how do you want it to sound human

[rigid snow]

prompt it

[uneven pulsar]

wher

[rigid snow]

system message idk

[uneven pulsar]

plus why tf t wants be to rage bait

tf did i do?

[stray dragon]

now i'm getting accused of ragebaiting

[uneven pulsar]

yknow nvm forget about it

[rigid snow]

there is also a “developer” role in openai’s format if i’m not misremembering

[uneven pulsar]

i am lazy to rage bait

and not a fan

[rigid snow]

then you have a natural talent

[stray dragon]

an incredible aptitude

[raven dock]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/177174818339160068/1405609556456767508/luna_speech_1755144374_80e398cb.wav?ex=689f7369&is=689e21e9&hm=b3bb3868a5b90d28610392c4506b05b5033d5a2b80c68491f5f5ed81cb1f3fea& AGI Telling a Joke and Attenind school

[rigid snow]

he do be built differently

[stray dragon]

"AGI" lol

[noble zodiac]

bingo

[stray dragon]

bingo!

[desert plaza]

yall have bingo cards?

[stray dragon]

what is the current bingo btw

did it change

[uneven pulsar]

like idk whatever was that just forget it

[noble zodiac]

who knows, but AGI should always be on there

[stray dragon]

agree

[stray dragon]

you're doing it again ekness

[uneven pulsar]

agreed sir

[uneven pulsar]

BRO

[fierce pasture]

what yall talking about

I wanna make a discord bot

[uneven pulsar]

i am just going to sthu

[stray dragon]

"let's drop this ok"
"ok"
"let's stop talking about this"
"ok"

[rigid snow]

🎦

[stray dragon]

there's tutorials

[uneven pulsar]

DUDE OKAY

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mejiro-mcqueen-spin-umamusume-anime-girl-cute-gif-26001972

[fierce pasture]

yep im following one

[stray dragon]

good luck

[fierce pasture]

Hopefully I'll understand every bit about it

[uneven pulsar]

in just finished mine also its very easy to make

[fierce pasture]

so I can have like...

you know

the typical base model

taught in the tutorial

then doing the changes with full knowledge

[stray dragon]

even if you don't, it should be enough to just get to a point where it works and does a basic thing

[fierce pasture]

what is it about

moderation? music? game?

[stray dragon]

small changes from there are easy

[rigid snow]

i hate that we started calling assistant finetunes "base models"

[uneven pulsar]

@jarvis say hi

[raven dock]

Here is some nice code for a discord bot: https://github.com/franklin050187/discord_voice_detection/

[uneven pulsar]

an ai discord bot

[rough bloom]

we did???

[fierce pasture]

I'm kinda dense so every concept I don't understand I search it

and read

and try to understand haha

[fierce pasture]

cool

[uneven pulsar]

i am going to publish mine soon

you can check it out

[fierce pasture]

wazzad

[uneven pulsar]

what ever

[raven dock]

What modules are you using other than rag?

[rigid snow]

yeah? the meaning shifted from "pretraining only" to "as originally published by the ai lab" which includes chat template posttraining

100% of the time

[rough bloom]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

train customer service human to talk like robot

train robot to talk like customer service human

loop

[uneven pulsar]

amd gemini api pluged in a discord bot

[rigid snow]

or, well, instruct

so not 100%

but a finetune nonetheless

[raven dock]

lol, using the forbidden model

[rough bloom]

I get that you might call an instruction-tuned model a "base model" if you're fine-tuning it, but context matters
that doesn't make the model a base model in general

[uneven pulsar]

it took me 2 hours to download git on mac

💀

[rigid snow]

instruct isn't base either

[fierce pasture]

what's rag teach me

ahahaha

[sage crag]

i wish to zero all of the parameters of all existing llms

[rough bloom]

I know, but you can fine-tune it regardless
so it can serve as the base model for a LoRA adapter for example

[rigid snow]

xcode-select --install

[fierce pasture]

wth

[sage crag]

obligatory use nix

yes im that person now

[rough bloom]

but specifically only in the context of fine-tuning
the models behavior is obviously different

[rigid snow]

on mac

[sage crag]

yes you can

[rigid snow]

i'm not saying you can't

[rough bloom]

nix-darwin

[sage crag]

https://nixos.org/download/#nix-install-macos
you should do it

[tender river]

theres quite a lot of people using nix on darwin

[rigid snow]

absolutely no way i'm doing it

[sage crag]

its very popular with tech hipsters

type of person to use zsh, nix, a macbook, wearing a turtleneck, a beret, some kind of chinos, loafers, and always seen holding a coffee

[tender river]

at first i didnt like random colors in markdown after switching to helix but colors yay pretty

[rigid snow]

i got 4/8

it's not over yet

[sage crag]

you are 50% of the way to being a tech hipster

oh let me add something

tiling windows

[rigid snow]

i am now 44% there

[sage crag]

doesnt use a mouse, but does use a trackpad

[tender river]

is there even a tiling wm on macos

[rigid snow]

back to 50

[tender river]

i know nothing about macos

[sage crag]

definitely

tech hipsters exist there so it has to exist

[raven dock]

I switch to 100% AI Coding. I can't code anymore.

[sage crag]

how sad

[rigid snow]

yabai is one i can remember off the top of my head

[sage crag]

what a name

[rigid snow]

ikr

it's what peppy uses i think

[tender river]

what

oh right osu stream exists

so i guess it might make sense for peppy to be an apple user?

also https://osx.ppy.sh

[sage crag]

yup peppy is a tech hipster

he's the other kind though

the one who has a hoodie and an ergo keyboard

also a vertical monitor

and maybe a keypad

[tender river]

android is a tiling wm

[sage crag]

fake

[rigid snow]

android is a wm

[sage crag]

can you configure obs with home manager

[tender river]

you just use wrapOBS the same way

[sage crag]

i mean like, encoder settings

n whatnot

[tender river]

looks like you cant

[sage crag]

rip

this is my current largest grievance with nix

everything is declarative except the things that would be super annoying to do manually

obs

i forgot this is in my config

[tender river]

its because obs config is uh

not made for external configuration

[sage crag]

ebil on da stream

:ebil: should be an emoji

[tender river]

miin

[sage crag]

isnt good enough

need to reboot

[noble zodiac]

I'm happy to report that LAN only STUNless webrtc between two browsers via qrcodes finally works

[rigid snow]

so did you end up shrinking the sdps

[tender river]

i think i'll apply this patch https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/pull/1570

[noble zodiac]

yea, I cut out the static parts. Honestly the biggest improvement was using a different scanning crate

[rough bloom]

debating since early 2022 💀

[tender river]

open source

[rigid snow]

nice

[opaque sigil]

it is 2025 and i'm struggling to find a usb micro cable that does data transfer, thanks i hate it

[sage crag]

usb-c + c-to-micro adapter

[opaque sigil]

do i look like i own a c-to-micro adapter

[sage crag]

hmm

could be

[opaque sigil]

dad said he'd bring one from work tomorrow thankfully so problem should be solved

thanks for nothing logitech

[small anvil]

i uh

ended up remaking my syntax for my programming language

its basically rust now

like how do i even end up in these situations

i just want syntax that looks nice but it ends up looking like something else and it feels like plagiarism

[desert plaza]

then try making the syntax look bad

[tender river]

worked

  helix = pkgs.helix.overrideAttrs (old: {
    patches = (old.patches or [ ]) ++ [
      (pkgs.fetchpatch {
        name = "change-number-selection-behavior.patch";
        url = "https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/commit/b8d067015a69635a8ff0cc66e152750434688299.patch";
        hash = "sha256-1Z/prgF/LVakUPC0OZkE/0amc8M8SkV3JygK9vbdEuI=";
      })
    ];
  });

[tender river]

theres only so much you can do with syntax

but knowing more languages helps

if you only know rust you'll just take the features you like from rust

if you know more languages you have more languages to steal syntax from

[small anvil]

i mean this is the best i had, i tried taking inspiration from c++s auto and decltypes

public fn test_function(a: any, b: any): autotype(a + b) {
return (a + b);
}

yes i know any is a sin but i thought it would be a useful case to implement

its not so hard to implement under the hood but

i just keep on mimicking other syntaxes and it just doesn’t make sense

aughhhh

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maybe it would help if you try to forget existing languages

[small anvil]

maybe xd

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and like

if you write machine code

you can build a language from scratch

[tender river]

it would not help

[desert plaza]

like me

[tender river]

it would make you unable to comprehend anything beyond BASIC

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erm i think having low-level knowledge helps

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

it does but definitely not for language design

[desert plaza]

one could make some novel and unique features

potentially

well, combining the low-level knowledge of hardware and operating systems with stuff learn from book

mhm

[desert plaza]

does the opposite actually

with enough time

[tender river]

not convinced