programming

[opaque wharf]

Oh, right there's that I guess

[fast pagoda]

rosemary can be used to ward off negative energies such as high memory usage

also keeps bugs outta ur pc

real life and software

[opaque wharf]

This should be the main selling point then

[fast pagoda]

im gonna start a watercooling business but my AIOs come with holy water

blessed by alligator jesus

[opaque wharf]

If it will reduce the amount of bugs, I'm sold

[deep badge]

But rosemarys would attract bees

[fast pagoda]

bees are based

[deep badge]

bees are insects and insect=bug

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/bees-deltora-quest-bee-meme-deltora-quest-gif-21153737

[deep badge]

fair

[opaque wharf]

Am hungry

What to eat?

No rosemary

[faint sandal]

cereal

[opaque wharf]

I prefer rice for lunch

[fast pagoda]

rosebud

[opaque wharf]

It just taste bland. Nice smell tho

[fast pagoda]

i had baked portuguese chicken for my one(1) meal today

[opaque wharf]

Portugese chicken it is

[fast pagoda]

god i love portuguese chicken

this restaurant ran by some folks from hong kong opened up by my work and they sell some of the best food oml

[opaque wharf]

I think you'll love Indonesian fried chicken then. We use a ton of herb and spice for the seasoning

[fast pagoda]

i would try immediately

i have yet to find a smol indonesian place to try

there certainly are some though im sure

i need to look

aaand now i'm afraid to reboot

nvidiaa you bastards

actually this was ntfs package but

[opaque wharf]

Yea, we usually use turmeric, lemon grass, galangal, candlenut and coriander just to name a few. You can try make it yourself too

[opaque wharf]

How did you manage to do that lmao

[fast pagoda]

well you see

nvidia drivers wanted to install

but were in some sort of circular dependency bullshit

[opaque wharf]

NTFS?

[fast pagoda]

so i basically recompiled the yung kernel

well this is directly a result of some nvidia shit

[opaque wharf]

Why would they need some FS driver

And ntfs one at that

[fast pagoda]

they dont but this is right after i had to do some ultra bullshit to get nvidia drivers to behave because they kept refusing to install

i dont even need ntfs driver now >:( i formatted my last ntfs drive already

but i had it installed for doing that basically

anyways nvidia was malding that 580 didnt satisfy dependencies requiring 575 driver

so i went through some shit for that

and now everything was going well until ntfs decided

it's over

[hollow spruce]

Now NumPy needs a ninja to install it 🙁

[fast pagoda]

cuz i kept getting this garbage installing lib32-nvidia-utils

[fast pagoda]

i thought it always compiled on meson//ninja

or is there just no binary prebuilt now

[hollow spruce]

i was downloading cpu only

[fast pagoda]

exactly what a guy loves to see when building kernel modules like a boss

alright fk it im rebooting i have snaps anyways wish me luck

me

[opaque sigil]

have you considered installing the nvidia modules

[fast pagoda]

ok plz install them

"no"

:(

[opaque wharf]

See picture above that lol

[fast pagoda]

CachyOS Linux

Now with Linux linux

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

Oh yeah she's purring now no problems

My sddm theme changed

So that's alarming

Probably fine though ya know

[opaque wharf]

It's fiine, nothing bad ever happened from the theme suddenly changed

[fast pagoda]

i should try rebooting into one of the ones i rebuilt with a the wrong cpu arch selected but hey this works i guess

did NOT have to reload a snap so

thank god this cachy linux has linux linux

https://tenor.com/view/nvidia-fuck-you-linus-linux-torvalds-gif-14466816460290694115

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, we need more old Linus

As in more people like him

[fast pagoda]

i was watching his presentation on linux 1.0 yesterday

what a strapping young lad

[olive sable]

not a good stillframe

[fast pagoda]

looks like every stillframe you could possibly achieve in 1994

[olive sable]

im writing some code to make the waybar have a mediaplayer

i succesfully got thumbnails to download into cache, i jsut need a way to dispaly them

tbh i have no clue how ill do that

[fast pagoda]

put cava up in there whiel you're at it

that's what i have in my top bar

[olive sable]

cava?

[fast pagoda]

visualizer

[olive sable]

like a spectograph?

[fast pagoda]

https://github.com/karlstav/cava

[olive sable]

i would say "but my keyboard does that" but i dont have signalrgb on linux

i also have this fun thing where wireplumber hates me

everytime i paly audio i get about 9 of these

[fast pagoda]

hmmm

reinstall wireploomber

[olive sable]

nah

[fast pagoda]

all my laptop batteries ever have lasted like 40 minutes

i just kinda expect that

laptops arent portable

unless you get one that has no GPU and/or is a mac but i would rather be chained to a wall than spend money on a mac unironically

[olive sable]

ive had laptops before that had okay-ish battery life

liek 3 hours

[fast pagoda]

i can get about that much if i disable the gpu on my laptop

[olive sable]

ye same

if i want battery life i jsut use my tabelt, that thing can do 12 hours ona s ingle charge and is fast enough for most things

[fast pagoda]

see if you truly hate efficiency slap this baby up on ur bar

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

that way the gpu NEVER sleeps

also i somehow induced some sort of horrific crashing thing trying to record that so maybe don't record it, it's shy

[olive sable]

somewhere in the procces of fixing this shit i made the gu readings fail already

[fast pagoda]

[opaque sigil]

killed the gpu

[olive sable]

3090

[fast pagoda]

plasma crashed earlier

so rebooted it using terminal

but forgor to make that detached at all

so i just closed konsole and

well i certainly have no plasma rn

no desktop

[ivory plinth]

you and the void

[fast pagoda]

does discord have a terminal from which i can relaunch my desktop

surely

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

tty time

[fast pagoda]

Ctrl Alt f1 failed me deeply

It went to a terminal that refused to respond to any input and locked me out of f2 or anything else

I've decided this is all btrfs' fault

Time to reinstall the entire system on ext4 instead

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-i-woulda-did-thats-the-technique-tiktok-hitman-yeah-gif-11959249467197783308

[opaque wharf]

Finally done mending my pants

[fast pagoda]

It should be careful

Cachy never knows juuuust how close it is to instantly being replaced

[ivory plinth]

endeavoros is just cachy minus the patched packages right?

[fast pagoda]

pretty much yeah

[opaque sigil]

they have a nice nvidia installer

[fast pagoda]

i like endeavor

it's one of 20 isos on my ventoy

right now the one living on that other pc's hd

that poor hd gets reflashed with something else just about every 20 seconds though

it had ghostBSD on it briefly the other day

the only other one i've kept very long on it was MX linux

MX is pretty nice ootb

[ivory plinth]

all roads lead to arch for me

[fast pagoda]

im a sucker for xfce for some reason so if your distro just has it by default i'm already like hey this is pretty cool

yeah that's the issue

i find myself lost, dazed and confused without being able to use pacman

like what do you mean i cant just pacman -S <any random shit> and just have some dubious pkgbuild ready 2 go

[ivory plinth]

im fine with other package managers but theres other problems

i dont wanna get distro hop syndrome again

[fast pagoda]

just have a designated distro hop beast chained to a desk that sits there waiting for that cursed ventoy to reboot to

that's my laptop

it actually i think resists at this point

[ivory plinth]

out of commission

[fast pagoda]

ive gone like 6 reboots trying and failing to get it to boot into ventoy

itll sit there refusing to do anything while im hitting f12, i stop for a second "OK IM BOOTIN!" boots to disk

give no window whatsoever for swapping the boot method for seemingly no reason other than "i refuse"

poor thing

what are the other reasons you cant be off arch

besides not being rolling release

[ivory plinth]

mine is compliant

[fast pagoda]

i cant stand not using what is at least the current most recent kernel and shit

not that you can't use that on other distros but like by default

i get severe FOMO

for no reason

[ivory plinth]

uhhhh

i cant explain right but everytime something pops up that i can only do on arch easily

[opaque wharf]

Not so easy default config for many package. Like, please don't tweak default from upstream

Lemme read the docs and change it myself

[peak sluice]

Meant to say VTube Studio, ive been shortening it all day in json references and calls so my brain went to VS because im a braindead codemonkey that didnt associate VS with Visual Studio when i made prefixes

[opaque wharf]

Technically not wrong tho

[faint sandal]

VTS is more common

[peak sluice]

Yep, i changed it late today

But sometimes autopilot wins, and time spent = extra time later, and naming conventions end up wrecking me when i have an idea, spiral into an adderall fueld frenzy, and realize the next day i made a stupud mistake (not necessarily a mistake, but a petpeeve that irks me)

[olive sable]

i did it
i broke all the rest of the mediaplayer stuff tho so the text is gone

[peak sluice]

But luckily VS > VTS is an easy fix, its terrible when i do something like AS, or shudder SH in a naming convention i know needs changing

[fast pagoda]

as in, the default config on other distros is some weird custom freestyle crap that is annoying

that someone decided was "better"

[peak sluice]

Every programmer, software engineer, and administrator knows better. Its like buying a house and then seeing all the horribly bad stuff they did after you move in

[fast pagoda]

i know better

well

[peak sluice]

You probably do

[fast pagoda]

i know at least if "i know better" then if i fuck it up it was my fault

[peak sluice]

If youre in a discord thats predominantly a twitch streaming fandom and you have the programmer flag i already trust you more than the people i work with

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

i love it

[fast pagoda]

hahaha

[safe path]

i cannot be trusted

[peak sluice]

Trust is relative, the proof is in the git

[fast pagoda]

git'r'done

[olive sable]

wdym? what happened?

[peak sluice]

I hate my life, im so glad i dont have to do that anymore

[amber fractal]

Not a programmer tag invidual

[fast pagoda]

vanor was responding to crypto's trust in programmer tags in discord i think

[opaque sigil]

I don't trust any of y'all, especially myself

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[amber fractal]

I'm also not a programmer tag individual, do I even have rights here?

[fast pagoda]

tfw dont even work in an IT role rn at i still end up being the guy because i mention how to use the terminal one(1) time or something

[peak sluice]

Yes, i can teach you the way

[fast pagoda]

not until you finish the neurons

[amber fractal]

Fair point

[olive sable]

i trust the people here a lot more than myslef lmao

[safe path]

i have this tag does it count for anything

[opaque wharf]

Neurobot-1000 when?

[olive sable]

+5 strength

[peak sluice]

Lol, i got laid off from a fortune 500 company 2 months ago, and all i do now while searching for jobs is program ai and write shitty programs for linkedin posts until i get another job.

[sage crag]

its actually a very dangerous curse

[safe path]

how do i get rid of it

[sage crag]

malware

[opaque wharf]

You're the one to talk that curse people left and right

[sage crag]

[peak sluice]

I jjst posted a program to linkedin where you put the url for a job you want to apply for and it spits out a rejection letter before you even apply

[sage crag]

rejected by copilot

[opaque wharf]

The scary thing is AI filtering for job application is already deployed

[fast pagoda]

ill have you know i was mad at btrfs-cleaner so i went ahead and balanced over and over and then fallocate -l 40G a thicc empty file to rebalance based on fake usage so i'm basically a haxx0r god

[opaque wharf]

God bless you all that is looking for a job

[dire trout]

vibe coding is scary to me
just the other day I was curious and wanted to try cursor's background stuff for fun

told it to create an bot with updating database features n shit

after an hour works fully no bugs nothing
I'm scared

[fast pagoda]

sounds entertaining at least

[opaque sigil]

Realistically, does it actually matter whether I reformat my games drive to something other than ntfa

Idk how much of a performance hit it gives

[fast pagoda]

the better it gets the closer i get to retiring in a holodeck i suppose

[opaque wharf]

Steamdeck uses ext4 just fine

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but I already have this massive drive and I'm lazy

[fast pagoda]

ext4 just got some form of speedup or something

[opaque wharf]

Probably not

[fast pagoda]

i would recommend not btrfs if you dont want tbe like me rn

[peak sluice]

Thats the BS currently, can confirm its pointless to apply for jobs in the normal way these days. Currently on 2nd and third round interviews for jobs i didnt apply for, but i was reached out to because of my stupid linkedin posts.

[dire trout]

woah

[fast pagoda]

posting on linkedin examples of goofy work you've done is probably a not bad idea

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, it's better to stand out than to actively hunt for jobs. What a world

[sage crag]

if youre using linux, literally anything except ntfs would be faster

om

[fast pagoda]

ntfs broke my kernel earlier

ill never forgive it

[opaque wharf]

But how much is the performance hit tho?

[fast pagoda]

slkow

slow

[sage crag]

reall damn slow

[opaque wharf]

I think it won't matter much since assets are loaded up front usually right?

[sage crag]

similar to if you use exfat

[opaque wharf]

Except for open world I guess

[sage crag]

things like open world games which stream assets

would stutter

[fast pagoda]

linux's ntfs-3g ssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

ext4, xfs, btrfs, zfs

[opaque wharf]

It is better than the old one

[opaque sigil]

tbf I should delete most things on that drive anyway

[fast pagoda]

i didnt have the displeasure of using the og ntfs pkg

[opaque sigil]

So I guess it's a nice excuse to do so

[fast pagoda]

do what i did and move everything off then reformat to literally anything else and then you'll go w0w

u wont regret

well i guess dont slap fat16 on it after

[peak sluice]

Next post for tomorrow:
Week Two: “Not A Culture Fit” — Journal Entry

6:11 AM — Woke up and brewed coffee so strong it’s classified as a controlled substance. I’ve decided to deploy confidence directly to prod today without testing first.

7:24 AM — Took the time to press my nicest dress shirt and basketball shorts in case a recruiter reaches out for a Teams meeting.

9:02 AM — Practiced whiteboarding with a raccoon in the alley and accidentally invented Trash-as-a-Service. Bandit and I are now seeking investors.

10:47 AM — Rejection email called me “impressive.” I consider this legally binding and am adding “Impressive” to my LinkedIn headline.

1:15 PM — Moved my job-app spreadsheet into SQL. Had to store statuses as INTs just to keep query time under 2 hours. (Latency reduced; dignity TBD.)

3:58 PM — Re-read my resume and developed a crush on Past Me. He had metrics. He had cheekbones.

5:12 PM — Coped so hard I accidentally built a therapist. My stress wrote code, the code wrote back, and now I have a tiny desktop gremlin called Not A Culture Fit. It’s less an app and more a coping mechanism that escaped containment.

What it is (short version):

A tiny local AI .exe (runs on Ollama) that interviews you with unhinged questions and then critiques your answers like a recruiter who’s late to Pilates.

Fully local: no cloud, no telemetry, just you, a model, and consequences.

5:13 PM — Sample chaos: “Explain rollback using three cheeses and one regret.” I chose brie. The app said brie lacks conviction and I need cheddar energy.

7:22 PM — Accidentally exported a CSV of my roast history. It reads like slam poetry with bullet points.

9:31 PM — Shipping it before I get precious. Use it, fork it, let it bully you into cleaner answers. If it says “circle back,” close the lid and touch grass.

Repo / Download:

#JobSearch #NotACultureFit #LocalAI #InterviewPractice #Relatable #UnemployedButShipping

[sage crag]

or fat32 for that matter

[opaque sigil]

I'm not moving 3tb of mostly games off the drive

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

i hate linkedin i forgot

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/chatting-essaying-pepebean-gif-4628166332272270638

[fast pagoda]

games
delete and reinstall

it's what like 5 mins to download a big game these days

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

If only...

[sage crag]

maybe if your game is osu

[fast pagoda]

i do not think ive waited longer than 5-10 mins on even a 100gb game

in like

years

[sage crag]

lucky you

[olive sable]

some games have "play while downloading" and im a big fan of that

[peak sluice]

Its stupid, but you gotta play the game. And i play the game my way, by talking shit about linkedin and applyong for jobs

[fast pagoda]

that always exploded my computer when i used it back in teh day

[olive sable]

skill issue

[sage crag]

i have to wait 4.5 minutes to download 1GiB

[fast pagoda]

oh lawd

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

that would be the end

for me

[amber fractal]

british internet (somehow)

[sage crag]

nah, just my internet

[olive sable]

i get about 85 mbps here, this is considered good

i used to get 2

[sage crag]

ive been in remote places in wales that have better internet

[fast pagoda]

if i ever see a post from one of my college friends who have truly slurped the kool aid i take psychic damage

[opaque sigil]

Don't you live in London

[sage crag]

yup

[safe path]

did i just read a linkedin post

did i mention how much i hate linkedin

[opaque wharf]

The denser the area, the scarcer the bandwidth

[sage crag]

[safe path]

also did i just see vibecoding

[olive sable]

the remote hostel in the middle of nowhere in montenegro had 400mbps

[safe path]

vibecoding should die

[sage crag]

thats not it, the people down the road have gigabyte fibre

[fast pagoda]

i mean in any country cant you just get like

"5G HOME" internet garbage

[safe path]

yes

[fast pagoda]

and get more than 100mbps

[safe path]

i have that right now

[sage crag]

i cant afford to get the council to tear up the road

[opaque sigil]

Do they not offer gigabit coax too

[fast pagoda]

i have coax and it's 5gigabit service

[sage crag]

i have vdsl

[fast pagoda]

the only reason i dont have 10g is because my computer does not have 10g nor does my router

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

Yeah you can push it quite far

Oh god

[opaque wharf]

My condolences

[sage crag]

when i do speed test my upload ping is often in the 2k range

[safe path]

vani

[opaque wharf]

Who?

[sage crag]

i do not play fps game

[patent walrus]

[olive sable]

i myself would still get 10G if i had the chance, cuz we need to split bandwith between my pc, 3 ps5's and everyones phones and tablets andd the tv's

[opaque wharf]

Oh that

[fast pagoda]

whoa i almost called vanor vani earlier

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/nishikigi-chisato-chisato-nishikigi-lycoris-recoil-lycoris-gif-3977145872466963660

[fast pagoda]

that's crazy

[safe path]

contrary to popular belief we are not the same people

[opaque sigil]

Best girl

[fast pagoda]

impossibru

[sage crag]

wrong

vanisigma

[opaque wharf]

We have

• Vanor
• Vani
• konii

[fast pagoda]

now you say "we" and i'm taking that as in

"we are the borg"

"we are vani"

[olive sable]

the diffrence between vani and vanor is the bunny outfit

[sage crag]

why am i there

[fast pagoda]

smol name end in ii

[opaque wharf]

Your name rhyme

[sage crag]

vani doesnt rhyme with vanor

[olive sable]

alliteration

[peak sluice]

I just got new fiber a few months ago from a company that is doing fresh installs of a new network. I hated comcast so i switched. I shit you not the line has been dangling across my fence for 2 months now and fed into my wall 5 feet off the ground. No outages though. 1/10 installer score, 10/10 SLA

[fast pagoda]

shut up yes it does (i cannot speak or read english)

[sage crag]

not rhyming though

[olive sable]

fair

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

highest effort fiber install

[opaque wharf]

Yes, it doesn't. But it has a short levenshtein distance

[peak sluice]

Ill post pics tomorrow, its absurd, they weaved it through my fence slats

[sage crag]

i have 1mbps LTE

[fast pagoda]

i have xfinity which i hate that for me but
5gig service i dont hate
i just dislike that i only get like 300-500mb upload along with it instead of symmetrical

but also the fiber provider around here is

at&t

so

[opaque sigil]

That's coax for you

[olive sable]

our gov promised us 90% of the country woud have fiver by 2030, they have put fiber into our town already. but our town decided to renovate the city square so the fiber stopped

[fast pagoda]

honestly i'm surprised it's as high as it is with it being copper

[peak sluice]

Yeah, xfinity/comcast can quite literally go fornicate themselves with a hammer

[opaque sigil]

I think you can do 10 gig too, idk about faster speeds

[fast pagoda]

i think you can claim asylum to another country for less

[opaque sigil]

I mean you can but range becomes an issue

[sage crag]

i might buy a 500m fibreoptic cable and wire it over the powerlines to steal the fibre down the road

[fast pagoda]

yeup i could get 10gig
in most of houston you can get 10g from xfinity

but not symmetrical

all coax only

[opaque wharf]

I support this

[sage crag]

what are they doing with all that internet

i need it too

[fast pagoda]

watching netflix

i think

most of them anyways

[opaque wharf]

and YouTube

[peak sluice]

Just make sure you blow on the glass tips so theres no dust interference

[sage crag]

im more worried about electrical hazards

[olive sable]

why wont you work you stupid bastard

[fast pagoda]

im sure my fiber installer hated me but i sat there and watched/asked questions the entire time they were doing it because it was intradasting

[opaque wharf]

Eh, it's fine

[peak sluice]

That was the joke 😂

[fast pagoda]

for my old place

[sage crag]

pwah

[fast pagoda]

blame btrfs

that's what i do

[olive sable]

but how do i fix???

[opaque sigil]

Figure out how to turn it into an actual path

[fast pagoda]

it's trying to access it from like

[peak sluice]

I installed fiber back in the day, the installer knew what they were doing but was on such a messed up timeline and not given the equipment to do it right, i felt for the guy. The terminations and other parts of the installation were flawlesz but the company basically said get the line from the hub to the house in 1 hour, it doesnt matter how you do it

[fast pagoda]

mpris:artUrl

[olive sable]

is it not a path rn?

[fast pagoda]

probably

wahtever track it's trying to play has no art url in the metadata

[olive sable]

this fucking code sucks

who wrote this?

[fast pagoda]

so make it not check for the art

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

which it kinda needs to

[peak sluice]

I feel personally targeted

[fast pagoda]

but it needs a fallback if there's no art

otherwise it's gona just do that

[olive sable]

i have a fallback for if there is no art

but there is art

ive tested it

[fast pagoda]

not at mpris:artUrl path

[olive sable]

but it doesnt want to download the image without me deleting the previous one forst

but i added code to delete it automatically

but its not working

[peak sluice]

I dont have a fallback, no art:
Except KeyboardInterrupt:
Pass

[fast pagoda]

add a printout for icon_path and run it again

see what it says

[opaque sigil]

It is a key error which is kinda odd

Unless that's part of icon_path ig

[fast pagoda]

try:
    icon_path = metadata["mpris:artUrl"]
except KeyError:
    icon_path = None
``` see if it throws

[olive sable]

i figured it out

[opaque sigil]

[fast pagoda]

i cannt wait for how ranndom the issuea ctually was

wow i cant type

[olive sable]

the code wasnt updating because reloading the waybar wasnt reloading the script

[fast pagoda]

kek

how though that seems

epic

[opaque wharf]

How on earth lmao

You'd think that restarting the process will reload everything

[fast pagoda]

seems secure

i guess if you're not pkill -x waybar it is probably keeping the actual host alive

and just reloading the visual portion

[peak sluice]

while True:
try:
art = float(input("display actual art: "))
raise ValueError()
print("Incorrect, exiting")

[amber fractal]

I was bored

[fast pagoda]

removed no actual data just rebalanced about 6000000 times

[peak sluice]

also im drunk and tired, its the best effort i could muster for now

[fast pagoda]

thank you btrfs, very cool!

[amber fractal]

@safe path free programming mod badge

[safe path]

[fast pagoda]

refuse to open more allocation chunks so let's just run btrfs-cleaner every 32 seconds to cause the entire system to hang to try and slightly move things around to fix the chunks being 94.97% full

DONT ALLOCATE ANY MORE THOUGH!!! only have 600+ gb left

[olive sable]

home/sam/.cache/mediaplayer/media.png

[fast pagoda]

yup that there is a media.png path in ur cache alright

idk what i expected

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

i was cooking though, everyone knows if things break just add prints all over the place and hope to glean mystical insight from them

[fast pagoda]

is there any other form of drunk really

[amber fractal]

Side note Gimp, buddy. Where in the frick is a square tool?

[sage crag]

vanor cant use it because vanor only lurks unless pinged

[fast pagoda]

i still hate gimp

i use krita and literally anything else to avoid using gimp

20 years of hating gimp does not disappear from moving to linux it seems

actually you know what i'm installing paintdot.net surely it works perfectly in wine

paintdot dot net

[amber fractal]

I did end up opening krita not knowing how to center anything. Not my finest work

I vibed what was close enough

[fast pagoda]

krita i know is mainly like a painting thing

i like it moar than gimp tho

even so

and i dont paint

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[amber fractal]

I'm learning quickly what I still want out of an image editor

center snapping would be nice

[fast pagoda]

paint.net has that and everything ive ever really needed thru plugins

[opaque wharf]

Sam just shared yesterday

The ballmer peak

[amber fractal]

True

[fast pagoda]

true

that's kinda like the buzzone

if you're in the buzzone you're absolutely in the ZONE

but if you drink even a small amount more or less

it's over

developers, developers, developers

[olive sable]

the thing is krita has anime girls on the startup splash screen, and my old laptop was slow as hell. and i miscklicke dthe app i wanted to start and krita took ages to start and i couldnt cclose it until it loaded so my teacher was questioning why i had anime girls on my screen instead of the program i was suppsoed to use

[fast pagoda]

top kek

[olive sable]

and if i couldnt get task manager cuz that would have taken even longer

[opaque wharf]

Cloudflare plz

[nocturne olive]

Sounds like a machine with an HDD

[olive sable]

nah it had a sata ssd

[opaque wharf]

5 minutes. Wtf are they doing

[olive sable]

but it also had a celeron n4000

[nocturne olive]

No way it had an SSD and would have still taken longer to open task manager than Krita

the SSD had to be broken

[fast pagoda]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

well the bottleneck here would be the n4000 celeron

which is barely fit to be called a CPU

[olive sable]

8GB of ram, 2400

[opaque wharf]

It is computing alright

[fast pagoda]

central procrastination unit

[opaque wharf]

I swear to god they hate me

[nocturne olive]

I guess if it was running Windows maybe that could be why, but it still barely makes sense

[fast pagoda]

cloudflare decided it hates my zen browser install specifically and wont let me pass challenges on it now

but only that

open the same site in another browser and it's fine

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

i swapped to vpn one too many times using a cf protected site

[opaque wharf]

I am trying to login which usually didn't take this long

[amber fractal]

I'm pretty sure my college site hated zen and refused to work. Perfectly fine in firefox.

[safe path]

vpns dont work no more with how much i get blocked by cloudflare

[cobalt sigil]

you are not a human it seems

[fast pagoda]

twitch absolutely refused to allow me to login using zen

[olive sable]

imagine having to use a vpn i just cycle to france

[cobalt sigil]

cloudfare take so much time on android chrome

[fast pagoda]

but then it also did the same with ff for arch so

[opaque sigil]

twitch hates everything that isn't windows or macos

[fast pagoda]

i had to install googol chrome to get it to let me to log in to twitch

veduhl 987 lost revenue that day

[cobalt sigil]

lmao

[fast pagoda]

why do i love using chown it's so satisfying to say in my head

[amber fractal]

let me just get over this wall rq, it will surely not take awhile

[cobalt sigil]

tbh if I don't want YouTube ad I should just move to macau

macau have no ads on so many platforms

[fast pagoda]

the maginot line? just go around

[cobalt sigil]

and I can save money without having to buy surfshark vpn

[fast pagoda]

my vpn is my seedbox that i use to seed only the arch linux iso

[cobalt sigil]

but actually what VPN do you guys use

[amber fractal]

True, why didn't I think of that 🤦‍♂️

[fast pagoda]

box from ultra.cc ive had for years that has a openVPN and wireguard on it

[amber fractal]

-# I'm not continuing this joke otherwise it'll be considered political

[fast pagoda]

for 5 buckaonies a month or something, 1tb storage 2tb traffic per month

pretty useful little unit to have

[fast pagoda]

yeahhh true ww2 gets close to the edge depending on what you mention
as a naval history enjoyer i learned that lesson harshly

im mad because i used to have a "lifetime pass" to some random VPN service like 15 years ago

and it worked for at least 10 years

and now they finally got wiped off the surface of the earth

lifetime = their life time

[peak sluice]

pip install -r requirements.txt

whopse

[cobalt sigil]

10 years is really good actually

[cobalt sigil]

no fuck you

[peak sluice]

dont drink and code

[fast pagoda]

honestly yeah i thought it'd be dead faster

no uv it's over

[cobalt sigil]

I may be will get a lifetime license

[fast pagoda]

i drink the koolaid, all my pip be looking like uv pip these days

[cobalt sigil]

but not at lifetime vpn

especially small companies they will probably last for maximum 5 or 6 years

[amber fractal]

Unless you are in this chart

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ballmer_peak.png

[rough bloom]

Mullvad is pretty good
all the concerns with a centrally managed VPN still apply but they have a pretty good track record of not collecting data

[amber fractal]

Yep, it comes full circle

[fast pagoda]

unfortunately i end up here too quickly

[cobalt sigil]

I don't really care about collecting data
I care more about if I can view content that I can't at where I am

but still thx for the suggestion

[fast pagoda]

where has mint been to link 🅱️ime

[olive sable]

mint?

mlnt?

[fast pagoda]

oh it is an l

that's CRAZY

[olive sable]

@rigid snow its bime time

bime bime

[fast pagoda]

i just finally put crime on gh.io so i can link it in response for no reason

[cobalt sigil]

I remember back then I always typed Imao other then lmao

[amber fractal]

I just had a memory appearing of the voice crack drinking game for one of the (I want to say cod zombies) streams. I still know the amount of shots that happened.

[sage crag]

its time for bime is a great slogan for converting people to bime

[fast pagoda]

your memory is powerful
if i have memory of the event it probably wasn't in the alltime greatest hits of stupid things ive done
-# also why i don't really drink anymore

[fading grove]

do we have people here understanding AI?

found something in a discussion about an very different AI aproach:

"To anyone with experience in machine learning or self organising maps, I would be forever in your debt if you could explain it all to me in the slowest most condescending way possible, like you were trying to explain the history of the East India Company to a tea leaf."

https://phantasia.life/community/psychology-lab/self-organizing-maps/#post-96

and i assume other AI entusiast might enjoy that read

[amber fractal]

I mean 55 shots during one stream was something to remember

[fast pagoda]

that would be something to remember that i certainly would not remember lamao

[fast pagoda]

is this during the ai winter

70s

im not sure what a phantasmagorical society is, sounds very stable, but this whole thing reads like a vq-vae that isn't frozen so it gets some sort of plastic-y adaptability aspect to it

[fading grove]

yeah AI improvement works in different time frames, i wait for that project i postet above since over a decade now....

...and after reading the explanation of the guy asking for an simple explanation, i just understood that i don't understand

[fast pagoda]

is it reaaally ever going to be simple with ml

it took a whole lot of ignoring stuff to describe it as i did

also kek looking at my passwords and seeing some of the old ass passwords i never use anymore for ancient breaches in the exposed password list makes me laugh

219 THOUSAND times kek

not my default runpod.net "i just spun up a new pod" password

i cant believe this one got leaked

[pulsar edge]

chat

big things are happening

but I can't elaborate any further without mods nuking me for promo

just know that big things are indeed happening

[olive sable]

[noble zodiac]

bingo

[opaque wharf]

[amber fractal]

Only bingo if Scrub leaks

Also dang it, this would have been bingo

Like the last one we needed for row 2 bingo

[amber fractal]

Vague posting was only on the previous board IIRC

[opaque wharf]

Wait, so the deleting email thing is a PSA from UK government?

[amber fractal]

[fast pagoda]

who let grandma mildred in parliament get on facebook

and gave her the ol' datacenter water gibberish

[amber fractal]

Water systems being a closed loop:

Last bime I checked, even the pool ones were closed and using heat transfer.

[fast pagoda]

the compooters are eating the water

[noble zodiac]

even if it was true.... the data is already there, deleting it would cause more compute and water usage not less

[fast pagoda]

it ceases to exist once you use it for inference

it's just gone

the water gets deleted from existence

[opaque wharf]

I did not see the URL lmao

[olive sable]

ok it works again, AND it changes now when i change song

[fast pagoda]

mhm mhm

[opaque wharf]

You are not human either

[fast pagoda]

meanwhile ive used chatgpt agent and watched that mf click through this exact prompt

[opaque wharf]

That's pretty insulting ngl lol

But at least cloudflare captcha is not a bad as other site

[fast pagoda]

"In order to fulfill the user's request, I must pass the cloudflare check to confirm whether or not I'm human" without any irony

[opaque sigil]

Words cannot express my distaste towards recaptcha

[opaque wharf]

PlEaSe SeLeCt AlL tIlEs WiTh BiCyClE

[fast pagoda]

SELECT THE ENTITY THAT MATCHES THIS CATEGORY

[opaque sigil]

At least you can use their transcription API to mostly get around those ig

[opaque wharf]

That's the thing. It is actually hard for actual human to solve but ez to programmatically do it

So if anything they should rename CAPTCHA

[opaque sigil]

Yeah it's a joke

[opaque wharf]

or maybe invert the filter

If someone can pass it easily then it is a bot

I was cooking up ideas to solve captcha and in the end just "reinvented" anubis lmao

[fast pagoda]

we have the paint.net dialogue now

[opaque wharf]

Dang, you're still trying to run paint.net?

[fast pagoda]

yes

while i was trying to find this

and i finally found it

lol

the entity

[opaque wharf]

I would've given up the first time the error occurred lol

[fast pagoda]

oh no we're grinding

[olive sable]

im getting close-ish

[fast pagoda]

ive got wine prefixes going

ive tried proton

[hoary lion]

whats this

[opaque wharf]

Have you consider using bottles?

[fast pagoda]

yes

i have made a bottle for it alreayd

[olive sable]

im trying to add a media player to the waybar
but i wan tthe image there too and ive spent about 2-3 hours fixing that

[fast pagoda]

or however you term that

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, bottles is just a wine prefix manager

[hoary lion]

cool

[opaque wharf]

So if you make different wine prefix, you're already doing what bottles do

[fast pagoda]

im using winetricks to fart around but yeah ive got 3 wine prefixes

also have 3 proton ones

pdn needs d3d a lot

rn trying dxvk

[opaque wharf]

AI = Actual Indian is basically this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Oz_experiment

[fast pagoda]

reverse turing test

[opaque wharf]

That is anubis

Imagine if you have to compute hash by hand

[fast pagoda]

a reverse turing test, eh? Very good: what is the square root of 9?

bender: ... i'm not that kind of robot

[olive sable]

how do u install waybar cava?

which command?

@fast pagoda how do i do the cava?

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

bro dipped

[small anvil]

paint.net my beloved (i refuse to use anything else)

[midnight sigil]

I'm under 18 and I can't drink

how disappointing

no buff

[olive sable]

nah, you're under 18 and you can drink

just come to europe bro

[opaque wharf]

Wait what?

I thought you were at least as old as Sam ngl

[midnight sigil]

oh nvm I can drink but I can't buy, that's the law here my bad

[olive sable]

ah

[midnight sigil]

I'm only 15

[olive sable]

but you're a walmart bag

[midnight sigil]

👍

[opaque wharf]

Why do I always feel old here. I'm only mid 20

[olive sable]

sounds like a you problem

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-disappointed-disappointed-pepe-tired-gif-1482602579291311529

[fast pagoda]

i was in the john

[rigid snow]

you can connect to cloudflare warp through the vpn, should fix it

[olive sable]

you'r enot needed anymore, i did it myself

[fast pagoda]

oh well in case you were still needing help there's a libcava for cava in general and then there's a few waybar helpers for it such as waybar-cava

im just gonna ignore that msg

lol

[desert plaza]

what does that mean

[fast pagoda]

the restroom

[desert plaza]

is that like a british saying?

r u british

[fast pagoda]

i do not know tbh but im not british so if it is, it's something i stole

[desert plaza]

maybe you just made it up

i've never heard anyone say that bro

[fast pagoda]

it apparently dates back to medieval times since ive now looked it up

[desert plaza]

afunyun may be older than computed

[fast pagoda]

but also is common in the US now

[desert plaza]

medieval times huh

[fast pagoda]

which might be because of porta-johns

[desert plaza]

makes sense

[fast pagoda]

some guy called sir john harrington invented some popular terlet in the UK so that's where it comes from on that side ig

[opaque wharf]

Well, I do know that it is called john sometimes

[rigid snow]

restroom discussion in programming chat

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/i’m-37-i’m-not-old-monty-python-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-old-woman-man-gif-9650950441798052141

[opaque wharf]

Technically, linguistic

[fast pagoda]

it's a technical discussion on the linguistic origins of the term john

[desert plaza]

[opaque wharf]

@fast pagoda decide your name extension now

[rigid snow]

are linguistics tech?

[opaque wharf]

Also @olive sable where is your dll now?

[opaque sigil]

Math which is tech

[rigid snow]

linguistics = math mhm

[fast pagoda]

am i supposed to change my nickname for that

[midnight sigil]

I thought john meant the toilet seat itself

[fast pagoda]

i think it's more the actual toilet not the seat specifically

unless there was a super freak called john out there

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

my what?

[opaque wharf]

Even if that is true, when someone just come back from the john then I think it's pretty clear what it means

[rigid snow]

the essential contraption commonly made out of porcelain

[midnight sigil]

your Dynamically Linked Library

[fast pagoda]

ok i am pickle

[opaque wharf]

God damnit why is the internet in this internet cafe sucks

This should be called cafe not internet cafe

[opaque wharf]

The dll file extension

[opaque wharf]

Neuro toilet

[nocturne olive]

No DLL on Linux, instead you get Shared Object

[midnight sigil]

it's biased on cafe more than the internet

[rigid snow]

dylib

[rough bloom]

VK_AWA_SamVanMaele.dll

[fast pagoda]

that's what you think

[olive sable]

oh

well

idk, i jsut coudlnt be bothere

[nocturne olive]

Windows based software I assume

[midnight sigil]

he turned back to human form

[fast pagoda]

yeah been trying to get pdn to run in wine

and proton

with little success

[nocturne olive]

It's made in C#, so you mainly need to figure out running .NET stuff

[fast pagoda]

well ive gotten some paint.net themed errors and also once or twice the window outline appeared briefly

the .NET is easy

[opaque wharf]

Mono is available right?

[fast pagoda]

it's the enormous amount of random d3d calls

[opaque wharf]

It's the DX that is the issue

DirectX

[nocturne olive]

Oh, that kinda makes sense

[fast pagoda]

proton did actually help in that dept btw

but not enough

[opaque wharf]

Developer Experience should be DE

[fast pagoda]

that's desktop environment

[opaque wharf]

Nah, both are close enough

Your DE dictates your DE

[rigid snow]

i thought mono is dead? dotnet is cross platform

[opaque wharf]

Is it? Isn't mono the compatibility layer?

[opaque sigil]

mono was absorbed

[rigid snow]

yeah

right

[midnight sigil]

Microsoft Java :smh:

[rigid snow]

no need for a compat layer if it runs on the target platform out of the box

[nocturne olive]

Yep

[fast pagoda]

yeah so it was a whole lot of this

direct2d defeat

[rigid snow]

oh you’re running paint net in wine…

[fast pagoda]

that was much further than this though

[opaque wharf]

Is there no lightweight VM that supports windows and can pass only 1 window?

[rigid snow]

afaik it is VERY incompatible because of d2d dependencies

[fast pagoda]

yeah vm would be the better run

but yeah immediately looking it up i found nothing but horror

so i was like

sure ill try

[rigid snow]

you can try pinta

(don’t, it’s absolute dogshit)

[fast pagoda]

ford pintos explode if you rear end them

[midnight sigil]

can I run wine in wsl

[fast pagoda]

now that's thinking with your dipstick

i dont see why not tho

you may be the only person to have ever tried

nah someone has tried

[midnight sigil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wine_gaming/comments/xov1zi/help_needed_with_wsl2_wine/

[fast pagoda]

lmfao

[midnight sigil]

no fucking way lmao

[fast pagoda]

lmfaoooo

[ivory plinth]

i walked in to absolute cinema lmao

[fast pagoda]

programming is serious discussion only

[midnight sigil]

so it does work with big latency

cool

[ivory plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

with big what?

[midnight sigil]

big pp

[nocturne olive]

Just... run the game natively

[fast pagoda]

waht's the fun in that

[nocturne olive]

You get to play the game

[fast pagoda]

that's not fun at all

[desert plaza]

"basicly security"

[midnight sigil]

can I run a windows 10 vm via qemu in wsl

and run wsl in that vm

[fast pagoda]

i think imma try a lil qemu + remoteapp + rdp

[fast pagoda]

understandable if brochacho was trying to run a riot game with its malware bundled in

that's a reasonable use case

[desert plaza]

but has wsl sandboxing, it's not really a vm

malware can still file access the windows system from wsl though

[fast pagoda]

im just saying with that garbage something is better than nothing

it wont be getting to host ring 0 in a double vm though

[midnight sigil]

"wsl sandboxing"

[rough bloom]

you can definitely run a Win10 VM in qemu in WSL, but I'm not sure if you can run WSL in that because it would need nested virtualization

[midnight sigil]

don't tell me you have tried to run win10 in wsl

[rough bloom]

no

but there's no reason it shouldn't work

worst case qemu will fall back to emulation, it would be really slow but it should run

[midnight sigil]

[desert plaza]

i own about 74% of shares in #programming

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[desert plaza]

[olive sable]

i somehow broke my bt audio, so i tested my other speakers but since its my first time using them on linux it was at 100% volume

so now ive been deafend

holy fuck that scared me

[desert plaza]

"volkume"

[rough bloom]

didn't check volume first

[olive sable]

i typn't

[desert plaza]

vulkan x volume

[rough bloom]

it's true
volk is an actual (quite useful) Vulkan library

[desert plaza]

[rough bloom]

oh btw, since you mentioned you were CPU-bound, you might be able to get more FPS with Vulkan if you use that library @olive sable
it does some magic™ to avoid going through the Vulkan loader all the time

[olive sable]

waht library?

[opaque wharf]

Even though its working, this is not something to celebrate

[rough bloom]

volk

[olive sable]

oh

ok

[rough bloom]

specifically this

[desert plaza]

so why is volk useful?

[rough bloom]

It allows you to dynamically load entrypoints required to use Vulkan without linking to vulkan-1.dll or statically linking Vulkan loader. Additionally, volk simplifies the use of Vulkan extensions by automatically loading all associated entrypoints.
That. Basically it makes using Vulkan less annoying.

As a nice side effect it also goes faster than the normal Vulkan loader.

[desert plaza]

and why does vulkan have a loader?

[rough bloom]

there are a few more diagrams but I think it's mostly this
Vulkan calls aren't directly delivered to a driver, they can go through several layers first

[olive sable]

i fixed my audio again

[rough bloom]

for example during development you want to use validation layers that validate all the parameters you're passing to Vulkan functions

[opaque wharf]

Holy abstraction

[olive sable]

ye

the validation layers make me run at 9K fps, without i get 15K fps

so a 50% improvement

[opaque wharf]

All of that only for 90% of the use cases is single physical device

[olive sable]

if it saves performance im fine with it

[desert plaza]

and there's a trampoline involved?

[rough bloom]

this doesn't really have anything to do with how many physical devices there are by itself, it's just how calls get dispatched to the drivers
you may have multiple GPUs from different vendors in a single system (like AMD iGPU, NVIDIA dGPU) and you need to deliver the function call to the correct driver

the layering is mostly for development AFAIK, they would slow things down for release builds but you could use them for overlays for example

[opaque wharf]

Yes, but the abstraction that I've seen from Sam's code is the API are designed with that use cases in mind. I wonder if that call can be simplified by making assumption of single physical device

[rough bloom]

not that much I think?
you'd still want to be able to query information about that device so it's not like you can just get rid of that abstraction

maybe you could get rid of the separation between logical and physical device but not sure

[opaque wharf]

Nope, separation of logical and physical still makes sense even for a single physical device

Yeah, I think it's impossible to rid of it

Because the need to create logical necessitate you to query available physical

[rough bloom]

it does still make sense, but do you still need it
with multiple physical devices you certainly do

[opaque wharf]

Aye, that's fair

It is useful but not really a "need"

[rough bloom]

those would just be the same thing, you just query all devices and create the logical device directly

[opaque wharf]

If someone truly needs it then they will implement ad-hoc solution anyway

[desert plaza]

also why do dispatch tables exist?

[rough bloom]

because sometimes you need to call different functions based on information not known at compile-time

[opaque wharf]

I am pondering and come up to the conclusion that computer is just a complex state machine

[violet sand]

So are humans

[rigid snow]

any computer’s state is a function of input

and time sometimes

always

i haven’t thought this through enough

ough x3

[rigid snow]

all pronounced differently

[violet sand]

Too late I already heard the roblox sfx playing 3x

[fast pagoda]

linux bt moment

[olive sable]

i fixed it tho

[fast pagoda]

i havent had any issues on cachy tbh

my other laptop does have problems with it though

[olive sable]

well, i broke it myself so uh

[rigid snow]

bt audio on any desktop os except for macos sucks ass

[olive sable]

i have no thad many issues

[fast pagoda]

somehow my work laptop perfectly captures my headphones without fail

and always steals them from my phone and whatnot

it's a crappy windows laptop though

[desert plaza]

anyone know the specific sizes of each field in the stat struct on linux?

how do i find information

i try grep on linux src

i cannot find

[rough bloom]

surely it's this on x86_64
long size should be 8 bytes

struct stat {
    unsigned long  st_dev;
    unsigned long  st_ino;
    unsigned short st_mode;
    unsigned short st_nlink;
    unsigned short st_uid;
    unsigned short st_gid;
    unsigned long  st_rdev;
    unsigned long  st_size;
    unsigned long  st_blksize;
    unsigned long  st_blocks;
    unsigned long  st_atime;
    unsigned long  st_atime_nsec;
    unsigned long  st_mtime;
    unsigned long  st_mtime_nsec;
    unsigned long  st_ctime;
    unsigned long  st_ctime_nsec;
    unsigned long  __unused4;
    unsigned long  __unused5;
};

[opaque wharf]

Emphasis on should

[rough bloom]

taken from arch/x86/include/uapi/asm/stat.h but the comments are confusing

[opaque wharf]

Oh, x86

[opaque wharf]

I don't think humans can be modeled as a complex state machine

[desert plaza]

oh thanks, but i'm writing IA-32 machine code so...

probably unsigned ints?

[rough bloom]

32-bit

[desert plaza]

[rough bloom]

this one then surely

struct stat {
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_dev;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_ino;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_nlink;

    unsigned int        st_mode;
    unsigned int        st_uid;
    unsigned int        st_gid;
    unsigned int        __pad0;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_rdev;
    __kernel_long_t        st_size;
    __kernel_long_t        st_blksize;
    __kernel_long_t        st_blocks;    /* Number 512-byte blocks allocated. */

    __kernel_ulong_t    st_atime;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_atime_nsec;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_mtime;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_mtime_nsec;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_ctime;
    __kernel_ulong_t    st_ctime_nsec;
    __kernel_long_t        __unused[3];
};

[desert plaza]

hmm

[rough bloom]

otherwise it'll be one of these two

struct __old_kernel_stat {
    unsigned short st_dev;
    unsigned short st_ino;
    unsigned short st_mode;
    unsigned short st_nlink;
    unsigned short st_uid;
    unsigned short st_gid;
    unsigned short st_rdev;
    unsigned int  st_size;
    unsigned int  st_atime;
    unsigned int  st_mtime;
    unsigned int  st_ctime;
};

struct __old_kernel_stat {
    unsigned short st_dev;
    unsigned short st_ino;
    unsigned short st_mode;
    unsigned short st_nlink;
    unsigned short st_uid;
    unsigned short st_gid;
    unsigned short st_rdev;
    unsigned long  st_size;
    unsigned long  st_atime;
    unsigned long  st_mtime;
    unsigned long  st_ctime;

idk there are too many of these

[desert plaza]

why do they do this?

is the typedef necessary

[rough bloom]

so they can redefine it for different platforms probably?

[desert plaza]

oh probably

why do computer people want ambiguous sizes

a type should not have different sizes depending on platform imo

[rough bloom]

Rust fixes this
u64 my beloved

except usize which is still platform-specific but that's a necessary evil

[desert plaza]

yuh that nicer

[desert plaza]

but why is necessary evil?

[rough bloom]

because you kinda need to have a pointer-sized integer

basically anything that has to do with sizes, especially in memory, has to use usize

[desert plaza]

usize is the size of a memory segment?

[rough bloom]

The size of this primitive is how many bytes it takes to reference any location in memory.
that

[desert plaza]

oh

[rigid snow]

i used isize once

[desert plaza]

so size of pointer right

[rigid snow]

i don’t remember for what though

[opaque wharf]

But you still left with endianess

[rigid snow]

?

[rough bloom]

I forgot this existed

[opaque wharf]

And also 8-bit byte assumption

[desert plaza]

yeah, memory addresses must be indeed different sizes depending on platform

[desert plaza]

wtf is isize

[opaque wharf]

Apple size

[rigid snow]

same thing but signed

[fast pagoda]

apple watch scale app

[opaque wharf]

[desert plaza]

they have a measurement unit for the size of apples?

[rigid snow]

basically usize is an unsigned integer of platform specific size, isize is the same but signed

[desert plaza]

for relative addressing then?

[rigid snow]

maybe, hmm

good point

[warped narwhal]

it's guarenteed to be the size of a pointer iirc, so that you can store the size of a block of memory, hence u__size__

[opaque sigil]

usize is pointer width yeah

[rough bloom]

yeah, I don't think we're getting rid of those anytime soon
the 8-bit byte assumption is built quite deeply into everything
endianness is fine since that mostly doesn't matter for any operations local to the host, you just have to be careful on I/O

[desert plaza]

aight, so why would one need a signed pointer?

or negative size

[rigid snow]

why do you care about endianness? if you need to convert a type to a specific endianness in rust, for e.g. encoding/ser deser you can do .to_be() and .to_le(), if target is the same they’re no ops and compile to nothing

[warped narwhal]

usize isn't a pointer, you want uintptr_t for that instead

[desert plaza]

bro idk what a uintptr_t is

[opaque sigil]

pointer arithmetic

[rough bloom]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/primitive.pointer.html#method.offset-1

[desert plaza]

what

[warped narwhal]

it's what you use to "safely" do pointer arithmetic (you aren't technically ment to do this on the pointers themselves)

[opaque sigil]

that's what isize is for, doing pointer arithmetic

[desert plaza]

oh i'm not?

[opaque wharf]

Communicating between unknown computer (mostly MCU) through some medium. I cannot assume the byte order

[rigid snow]

yeah then i addressed that

[warped narwhal]

yeah, cause the intermediate values would be pointers that point to invalid data

uintptr_t is kind of like saying "this will be a pointer, but it isn't finished yet"

[rough bloom]

usize is a Rust thing btw
uintptr_t is something similar but in C/C++

[warped narwhal]

c++ has size_t which is the same as usize, I was just using them interchangebly

[rough bloom]

size_t is also a thing, yeah

[desert plaza]

welp, i don't use types in my code so idk

[opaque sigil]

also ptrdiff_t

[rough bloom]

they have like 5 types that do the same thing

[opaque wharf]

Isn't size_t the largest integer representable?

So not necessarily ptr sized

[opaque sigil]

i believe so

not that it really matters since they'll be the same 99% of the time

[opaque wharf]

C++ abstract machine vs implementation moment

[desert plaza]

you see, i just need to know the sizes of types so i can directly take the data from the stack with the correct offsets

but linux returns confusing types

[warped narwhal]

[fast pagoda]

something is missing

[opaque wharf]

mp1

[warped narwhal]

don't tell me that you use any everywhere

[opaque wharf]

Worse

[desert plaza]

wdym

[fast pagoda]

who would do that

[opaque wharf]

Machine code

[rigid snow]

aac

[opaque sigil]

they have lots of identical types for documentation purposes

[warped narwhal]

mp5

[rough bloom]

it's an integer type large enough to represent the size of something in memory, it's what gets returned by sizeof
so yeah, pointer size could be different

[warped narwhal]

lazy typescript users

[desert plaza]

i write in hexadecimal representation of machine code, so "any" wouldn't work

also what is any

is that a rust thing

[small anvil]

good question

[rigid snow]

too high level for you

[rough bloom]

no, it's a TypeScript thing

[warped narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[rigid snow]

dynamic language thing

[desert plaza]

welp, it's irrelevant anyway

[warped narwhal]

it's also a rust thing 😉

[rough bloom]

Rust also has Any but let's not get into that

[warped narwhal]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/any/index.html

horrible thing to use, and no-one should ever touch it, but it does exist

[desert plaza]

cuz itz cool

[sage crag]

funny that, its the same as uint, who could have guessed

[rough bloom]

uint from what language? hblang?

[sage crag]

yes i was getting complaints about it

[rough bloom]

[opaque wharf]

Are you gonna crash out again?

[rough bloom]

yeah that would get complaints

[sage crag]

i have never crashed out

awa

[small anvil]

seems yucky

[rough bloom]

I don't think uint for a pointer-sized integer is necessarily wrong but int does have a connotation that it's 32 bits to me

-# yes I know that it's platform dependent in C

[opaque wharf]

Nah, it can be 16-bit

Or even 8

[rough bloom]

I know

but thankfully it never actually is

[rigid snow]

ok embedded guy

[opaque wharf]

[rough bloom]

unless embedded but then use Rust

[rigid snow]

why are you assuming my personal computer isn’t 16-bit

[rough bloom]

because mine isn't

works on my machine

[desert plaza]

u on an IBM 1130 or sth?

[noble zodiac]

so I've spent days trying to share webrtc SDP offer via qrcodes just to realize that my thinkpads camera is too bad quality to scan it

[small anvil]

rip

[ivory skiff]

just connect the phone to it and use its camera

[opaque wharf]

Big Brian