programming

[violet sand]

Let em find it the hard way

[olive sable]

uh

scp

[tender river]

copy files over ssh

[sage crag]

i did it

awa

[olive sable]

awa

[tender river]

[safe path]

i dunno if i ever told this chat

but my pipewire setup looks like a yarn ball

[sage crag]

dont nya me i feel very lost

https://tenor.com/view/mejiro-mcqueen-spin-umamusume-anime-girl-cute-gif-26001972

[olive sable]

same here lmao

and i havent even used pipewire for that long tbh

[safe path]

im also mixing and matching versions, using the testing version of pipewire-pulse and a self-compiled pipewire on a stable debian system

[olive sable]

oh

oh no

[rough bloom]

please don't

[safe path]

so i have to restart those services occassionally from time to time

[olive sable]

but onedrive

[safe path]

but it works

all i have to do is to restart audio every time i login to a session

surely a normal thing to do

[opaque sigil]

wtf did I just read

[violet sand]

I own a dedicated mixer, which works with Linux : D
...
Until it doesn't D :

[sage crag]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[tender river]

you'll manage

  inputs = {
    impermanence.url = "github:nix-community/impermanence";
  <...>
  outputs = { self, nixpkgs, impermanence, ... }:
  <...>
        modules = [
          impermanence.nixosModules.impermanence
  <...>

this is the only changes you need to add the impermanence module

[sage crag]

wĥah

[olive sable]

apparently onedrive works in browser and there are people making the gui for arch

[sage crag]

to config.nix

[tender river]

to flake.nix

[safe path]

o7 anyone using well-established audio equipment with linux

[sage crag]

erff

[safe path]

i considered using an elgato until i realised linux doesn't support the elgato wave software

then there is no point getting the elgato mic

[tender river]

awa

[safe path]

awa

[olive sable]

for me just switching between audio devices is a nightmare cuz i have to scroll through the list of 7 devices, and scrolling makes the sliders move too

[safe path]

omg ya

pavucontrol freaking sucks

[opaque sigil]

fwiw i did get my setup very close to what wave link gives me, it was just a massive pain

[safe path]

alsamixer all the way

[violet sand]

It was advertised as being USB compatible, so why only 2 out of 4 output devices show up

[safe path]

easy effects?

i compiled one myself too

[rough bloom]

ye, just use the browser version
keep it nicely isolated in the browsers JS VM far away from your system

[opaque sigil]

nah just pipewire

[safe path]

[violet sand]

U are smarter then me I relized it only after buying the capture card (I bought one from avermedia)

[opaque sigil]

and some ladspa plugins

[safe path]

[sage crag]

im ing

[olive sable]

i like having it accesible in the file explorer

i like having it update when i change a file

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/TiltedToast/dotfiles/blob/main/nix/modules/system/pipewire.nix it isn't particularly pretty but hey it works

[tender river]

then, in configuration.nix

1. change / mountpoint from / to /persist

  environment.persistence."/persist" = {
    enable = true;  # NB: Defaults to true, not needed
    hideMounts = true;
    directories = [
      "/etc"
      "/home"
      "/tmp"
      "/var"
    ];
  };

to just allow everything, you'll be able to narrow it down later

[safe path]

i love easyeffects, except the one that is distributed with debian is missing lots of features

[tender river]

nix doesnt use , in lists

close enough!

[safe path]

compiling it from scratch required me to modify source files

[sage crag]

awa

[safe path]

it was great i love software

[olive sable]

well anyways, imma boot into linux now

[violet sand]

Dam tats a lot of devices

[sage crag]

ok!

[sage crag]

how about in {}

[small anvil]

This information is true and is approved by the alcohol gods

[tender river]

it uses ; in {}

[sage crag]

yoke

[tender river]

the {a,b,c}: ... is a function

its a pattern match

[safe path]

and omg has anyone here enrolled in safeboot and luks autodecryption with tpm?

why is it such a pain

sometimes nvidia dkms doesn't trigger a dracut and i can't get to i3

[rough bloom]

consider obtaining an NFS/SMB fileserver
it will do that and not suck
-# though for Git projects, which is probably most of what you do, sync is already taken care of by Git...

[olive sable]

3 monitors + oculus rift + spdif + my bt headphones + the built in DAC my mobo has for 600ohm headphones, nothing is connected to it but it still gets picked up by linux

[noble zodiac]

thats a lot of words in a weird combination

[opaque sigil]

that sounds like a world of pain i would not want to deal with, i'll just happily enter the password every time

[violet sand]

If u aren't using them, why not just disable them so they woulden't show up on the list?

[olive sable]

idk how lmao

[tender river]

make sure to backup /etc/nixos (or wherever you're putting these files) to persistent storage!!!
and then just nixos-install --flake /etc/nixos#<hostname>

[safe path]

it's exactly what the sentence says, i've enrolled my keys into safeboot, and configured luks autodecryption with tpm

[raven dock]

Ain't it great when your Proto AGI all of a sudden starts working

[safe path]

but to do that you must also sign nvidia drivers, and if it's not signed it doesn't load during boot

[violet sand]

I forgor, u Linux or Windows gang?

[safe path]

you sign it (and install the key) by running dracut after updating drivers, but sometimes it doesn't run

then u disable safeboot, and now you have to search for your passphrase because the tpm detects that u are not on safeboot

[noble zodiac]

You are talking to the wrong person. i use full system encryption and have to answer to different passwords for two luks, one for the boot partition and one for root

[olive sable]

doesnt git only work locally? github ofcourse sync to cloud but i dont really want to push a change evrytime i need to turn of my pc

[safe path]

i have this exact setup

tpm unlocks them for me

[olive sable]

rn both, ive only installed linux yesterday

[opaque sigil]

bro it takes like 5 seconds to commit & push to github

[noble zodiac]

iono, I just type the password

[rough bloom]

yeah you just push, it's not that hard
commits are meant to be small anyway, and it doesn't have to be finished, you can commit WIP stuff

[safe path]

my password is 50 chars long

[olive sable]

ye but i dont like pushing a broken version

[sage crag]

is the end goal to remove /etc from there

[noble zodiac]

mines like... iono, 25-30 ish

[safe path]

i once felt an unreal amount of adrenaline trying to get into my pc 30 seconds before a meeting started

[tender river]

potentially keep some parts of /etc but not the entire /etc

awa

[rough bloom]

yeah, you wouldn't push to master/main directly
usually I'd use a private repo or a branch for anything WIP

[safe path]

typing a 50 char password twice, booting into the system, restarting audio, finally launching the damn browser to join the meeting

[noble zodiac]

also, fun fact, its configured in a way that once the system is booted /boot isnt even mounted anymore. So when I do system updates I have to decrypt and mount it again

[safe path]

[violet sand]

Ahh, on Linux u just go to Config. tab in your pavucontrol, and turn em off there

[sage crag]

awaa

[noble zodiac]

now this one is on purpose tho

[safe path]

great opsec i think

[tender river]

@sage crag impermanence recommends this setup for mountpoints

{
  fileSystems."/" = {
    device = "none";
    fsType = "tmpfs";
    options = [ "defaults" "size=25%" "mode=755" ];
  };

  fileSystems."/persist" = {
    device = "/dev/root_vg/root";
    neededForBoot = true;
    fsType = "btrfs";
    options = [ "subvol=persist" ];
  };

  fileSystems."/nix" = {
    device = "/dev/root_vg/root";
    fsType = "btrfs";
    options = [ "subvol=nix" ];
  };

  fileSystems."/boot" = {
    device = "/dev/disk/by-uuid/XXXX-XXXX";
    fsType = "vfat";
  };
}

and i recommend something like that too

[safe path]

btw instead of tpm u can enroll with a hardware key too

if i go full tinfoil i can even do both

i can also delete the password field using mokutil but that'll be crazy

[noble zodiac]

yea but then I lose the key and need backups for that as well and so on

[safe path]

not mokutil, systemd-cryptenroll

am i stupid

[tender river]

learning a new programming language, a new distro, and the entire underdocumented ecosystem around it is a lot to take in you've got this

[noble zodiac]

naaah, I like systemd to do the least things possible

[safe path]

i had a anti-systemd phase

but now i am tired

[noble zodiac]

I'm not gonna rip it out of arch by hand or use a fringe distro just to not use it

[violet sand]

I just got my PTSD triggered

[olive sable]

ah is konii changin linux distro?

[tender river]

yuh

[safe path]

one day i will own a supercomputer to daily drive QubesOS

[sage crag]

erf

do you prefer zswap lz4 or zstd

[noble zodiac]

I'm losing my sanity trying to manually setup a LAN webrtc connection between a desktop and mobile browser

[tender river]

i think i use the default on my router

[safe path]

webrtc shouldn't have an issue with that

[tender river]

actually i dont use zswap anywhere anymore

[sage crag]

that looks completely different to what nix wiki said about btrfs filesystems

[tender river]

wait or do i

[noble zodiac]

without a relay or signaling third party

[safe path]

oh

good luck

[noble zodiac]

passing the sdp offer and answer around with qrcodes and all such things

[tender river]

a lot of it is supposed to be autogenerated in hardware-configuration.nix

but many people prefer to choose the settings manually

the equivalent to writing your own fstab

but in a proper language with proper documentation

[sage crag]

i dont know what im doooinnnnggg

[rough bloom]

it should be fairly similar
only difference to a normal non-impermanence setup is that the rootfs isn't btrfs

[rare bramble]

I like how I barely understand 1/3 of this convo as a windows user

[tender river]

does hardware-configuration.nix exist?

[violet sand]

Btw might be worth asking, does anyone know how to break this monstrosity out from 1, 10 channel device, in to 5, 2 channel devices?

[tender river]

i see i use zram instead of zswap

{
  zramSwap.enable = true;
}

[sage crag]

yeh

[tender river]

thats the other part of your config

you can just move it to configuration.nix if you want

or just know that its there

the important part is that what i wrote above with explicit fsType options is a configuration written from scratch

[sage crag]

erffff

[tender river]

basically nix just merges the settings from configuration.nix and hardware-configuration.nix

[tender river]

it says "dont edit" but dont listen to it edit it as you wish

[rough bloom]

yeah, just don't ever invoke nixos-generate-config again

(there's really no reason to)

[violet sand]

P.S. MIght possibly brick your PC tho (not actually u will just need a live usb)

Typicly people advice u to actually just nuke the file, and regenerate it in most cases.

[sage crag]

hi so

do i bother changing it

or just leave it

[safe path]

might be worth making null sinks and then connecting them up

[rough bloom]

doesn't even really work with btrfs because it doesn't consider all necessary mount options
nixos-generate-config is great for getting a sane starting point but adjustments are often necessary

[tender river]

awa awa awa change "/" to "/persist" and add the tmpfs entry out of the config i listed above and uuh that should be it, you can even remove home from the list of directories protected from impermanence since its just on a subvolume

[violet sand]

How does one do that? (Or at least where do I look for more info on this topic, cuz I didn't find much last time I looked)

[sage crag]

[violet sand]

Weird, worked for me, and I use btrfs

[safe path]

if you have pipewire-pulse u can use pactl to create the null sinks (this part is googleable)
then u can use your visualizer to connect them up

i haven't tried creating null sinks without pipewire-pulse yet

[opaque sigil]

it's just a bit of json

[violet sand]

My issue is that I never came across null sinks, but I will look in to them now thanks!

[safe path]

ah using wireplumber?

[sage crag]

i did it

i still dont know what doing

awawa

[rough bloom]

IIRC it does generate a working config but discards for example any compression or other optional features you may have enabled
idk mabe they improved it since I last tried it

[tender river]

back your config up

onto persistent storage

[violet sand]

A lil. bit of json

[tender river]

then nixos-install --flake /etc/nixos#<hostname>

[violet sand]

https://tenor.com/view/sprinkle-gif-7550162

[tender river]

you might have to fix some errors

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

uh gonna be gone for like 5 minutes

[rough bloom]

nixos-generate-config doesn't detect mount options automatically.
yeah no it's still not fixed
not that it's really an issue in the first place, automatically generating a perfect hardware configuration is just not really possible I think

[violet sand]

Aaaa, ya I forgor if they did or not on that part.
I just remember accidentally bricking my PC, and then getting some support from a dude who managed to auto generate what I needed for me

[sage crag]

i got a

"environment.persistence does not exist"

bwaaing

[sage crag]

i didnt do this

smort

[opaque sigil]

it's not that baaaad (but yeah frick wireplumber)

[rough bloom]

could've just activated an older generation
unless you actually changed the hardware, then o7

[violet sand]

It is saying "automatically" so I assume there are some extra steps to make it work, but ya if you are just toggaling some options it might be worth to just edit the hardware config instead of learning how auto generation of hardware config works

[rough bloom]

the "automatically" is referring to the fact that you just have to edit it yourself

there are no options to nixos-generate-config that enable this

[violet sand]

Yooo, generating cool imgs. with carbon, so I woulden't be able to just copy past it lets gooooo.
I keep on forgetting to troll my friend with that.

Also thanks, I needed to setup wireplumber properly for a while now

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

I like carbon but the border shadow thing is really ugly, I always disable it

I can see the image borders

[violet sand]

There is an option to disable it

[sage crag]

why console.keyMap set twice

i set it once

awawa

[tender river]

maybe its set in hardware-configuration?

if you're too lazy to figure it out you can use the lib.mkForce function

[sage crag]

apparently set in /nixos/modules/config/console.nix

[tender river]

instead of keyMap = ...; keyMap = lib.mkForce ...;

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

in /nix/store/xxxxxxxxxxxxx-source/

[tender river]

its set like this

which doesnt look like something you'd normally want to overwrite

no

no

death

@open copper @rare bridge

[rough bloom]

foiled by no embed perms

[sage crag]

this was in the file on its own, i simply changed the values to my locale

[open copper]

are you sewrious

[sage crag]

death

[sage crag]

genchat

qa

[tender river]

awawa useXkbConfig is the thing that changes keyMap to whatever xserver uses

so useXkbConfig conflicts with keyMap

[sage crag]

i dont have xserver enabled

[violet sand]

Ahh, I just had a math problem that boiled down to 1-1+1 and I inputted 3 as a solution.

[tender river]

then probably set useXkbConfig to false

[rough bloom]

ye, looks like it will try to use the settings from services.xserver.xkb then
should be safe to disable it

[violet sand]

Why is chatGPT better then me at math?

I don't like this

[sage crag]

linu

[tender river]

linu

torvald

[sage crag]

why broke

bwa

cant find typo

[violet sand]

I like how it knows u meant Linux. Someone has hardcoded that in

[tender river]

its not hardcoded

thats just the only attrpath that exists in nixosConfigurations

[rough bloom]

end of your command, wrong attribute name

[sage crag]

correct

bwa

[violet sand]

Ahh makes scense

[sage crag]

it querying

maybe i sgoulsnt hage pmade it build rhe entire system

why you need busybox

why you need cargo

stop

[opaque sigil]

did you actually set it to build everything

[rough bloom]

oh, you chose nixos-unstable
and you want to rebuild the entire system? so that was a lie nvm not a lie
good luck

[sage crag]

its actually downloading from cache

[opaque sigil]

ok good

[sage crag]

not sure if binary or source

[opaque sigil]

should be a couple mins then

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

binary

[sage crag]

i want to build

http://cache.nixos.org

awa

[rough bloom]

it caches both I think, but the main concern is binaries because of the build time you'd have otherwise

usually you won't have a direct dependency on the source code so it shouldn't be fetched

[sage crag]

i can just rebuild it after anyway

mayhaps

why it need cargo if not building anything

[rough bloom]

not really, your whole system will already be in the Nix store, so it's cached locally

[sage crag]

i reject this

[rough bloom]

maybe if you add a comment in glibc or something

[sage crag]

why it need ghc if not building

[opaque sigil]

shellcheck

you can't escape it

[sage crag]

i shouldnt need ghc to download shellcheck binaries

[rough bloom]

you can check with nix why-depends if you really want to
but acceptance is easier

[sage crag]

it must be building something

[opaque sigil]

it downloads the entire dependency graph

not just the root

[tender river]

no

it does not

shellcheck might reference some paths from ghc

[opaque sigil]

does it not?

[sage crag]

erf

[rough bloom]

it does not
build time dependencies are not downloaded, only runtime dependencies

[sage crag]

i did the gcc.tune gcc.arch thing

is it gonna build everything

[tender river]

yes

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

yayy

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

nevermind it broke

[tender river]

i'd recommend doing it after getting a working system first

[rough bloom]

and runtime dependencies are any paths that are referenced by the derivation output + some other stuff IIRC

[opaque sigil]

okay i was only joking but it looks like shellcheck actually does reference ghc

makes sense ig

[sage crag]

a "x86_64-linux" with features {gccarch-znver4} is required to build (some glibc thing), but I am a "x86_64-linux" with features {benchmark, big-parallel, kvm, nixos-test}

[tender river]

i think your options are limited when you're in the iso

[sage crag]

erb

[tender river]

just get a working system first and use it for bootstrapping a complete rebuild from source

[sage crag]

yoke

how do i get uhh

a DE

and also

osu

[tender river]

services.desktopManager.plasma6.enable = true;

[violet sand]

https://search.nixos.org/packages?type=packages&query=osu

[tender river]

no

wrong answer

the correct answer is

[violet sand]

[tender river]

you have two options

1. nix-gaming https://github.com/fufexan/nix-gaming/ (updated daily, i use it but i dont recommend it until you're more comfortable with nix)
2. add appimage-run to systemPackages and just run the appimage (the easy option that just works the same way as on arch)

[rough bloom]

osu-lazer-bin is fine in my experience

[tender river]

its gonna be outdated

[rough bloom]

is there any issue with it other than being in Nixpkgs

[tender river]

nixpkgs lags updates by up to a couple weeks

also not tachyon

[rough bloom]

yeah, sometimes
haven't really had a bad experience with it yet but maybe I've just been lucky

[rough bloom]

valid

[violet sand]

Fair enough

[tender river]

you aren't playing daily (presumably)

[rough bloom]

indeed

I play rarely enough that it's not permanently installed, it's just a nix shell command

[sage crag]

mount point /boot which backs the random seed file is world accessible

uhh why

[tender river]

ignore

[sage crag]

but it security hole

bwa

[tender river]

you can manually chmod it

[sage crag]

i could set the chmod in hardware-configuration.nix

[tender river]

either way your config not gonna take effect until you boot into your os

and dont forget to back up any config fixes too
i don't trust nixos-install to copy your config to the final system, it may or may not do it

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

why u install flatpak

i dont want this garbage

is it for discover

gross

[tender river]

services.flatpak.enable = lib.mkForce false;

[rough bloom]

aren't you supposed to edit the config inside of the mount and nixos-install that or am I misremembering

[sage crag]

is it safe to ctrl+c this

[sage crag]

also it installed uh

orca

i dont need a screen reader

[tender river]

it is

[tender river]

thats plasma too mhm, you can just services.orca.enable = false; too

[ancient hatch]

i have manjaro, where put this thing? 🙂

[tender river]

[sage crag]

thanks

[tender river]

it also adds the following optional packages by default
you can do something like environment.plasma6.excludePackages = with pkgs; [ konsole ]; to exclude konsole as an example

(this isnt a general nixos thing just something the plasma module does)

[olive sable]

apparently hyprland (uwsm managed) doesnt work immediatly when starting linux, but just normal Hyprland does

[sage crag]

can i install a browser without rebooting machine

https://tenor.com/view/mejiro-mcqueen-spin-umamusume-anime-girl-cute-gif-26001972

[tender river]

yuh you dont have to reboot you can just atomically switch your entire system to a new system

[sage crag]

fancy

[tender river]

obviously there may be minor or major issues if you do something like update your kernel or graphics drivers

so sometimes making it switch on boot rather than immediately is the better solution

[olive sable]

i think now that im using linux is the only time ive ever seen my gpu below 30W.

[sage crag]

hi

how do i

dotfile

not right now

will later (maybe)

[sage crag]

do you have a power management daemon

if not you may be able to get it lower

[olive sable]

i have no clue

[sage crag]

nvm i will do it myself when i have a browser

do not wory

[tender river]

if you want to go the home-manager route https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/

[sage crag]

hom

after nixos-install can i just reboot

[tender river]

ideally

[sage crag]

i did not make a user account

[tender river]

single user mode

[sage crag]

i left btrfs compression on the tmpfs

erf

[tender river]

i think you can just rerun nixos-install with no issues

you have to 100% remount /boot and /nix

the rest is expendable

[sage crag]

why does systemd-boot have entries for both generation 1 and 2

[tender river]

nixos preserves old generations and you can boot into them

these generations are also gc roots

[sage crag]

i want it banished

[tender river]

you can set up autogc or run gc manually every once in a while

[tender river]

its useful

[sage crag]

banish

[tender river]

when you expect your new config to work and reboot

but then it doesnt work

[opaque sigil]

if you switch to grub you can nicely tuck away the other generations into their own submenu at least

[tender river]

thats when you boot to the old generation

and yes grub has old generations in a submenu

but systemd-boot doesnt support that

[rough bloom]

having at least one or two generations of history that you can boot into is very useful
do not banish

[tender river]

it's saved me countless times, my laptop generally just works but my server/router/phone are much more prone to breakages after kernel updates (classic arm)

[sage crag]

so im in the iso and i just changed it

can i safely reboot

or do i need to rebuild

[tender river]

yes

wait no

if you changed the config

of course you have to nixos-install it from scratch

[sage crag]

bwa

[tender river]

what i meant is

you dont have to wipe the system

you just have to mount it

and run nixos-install

it shouldnt take long as most packages are already in the nix store

[sage crag]

it broked

[rough bloom]

btrfs subvolume does not exist probably

[sage crag]

i didnt put persist as btrfs subvol

bwa

[tender river]

you can also boot.shellOnFail = true; to unlock a secret third option

wait wrong option name uuh

  boot.kernelParams = [ "boot.shell_on_fail" ];

this one

[sage crag]

so

my subvolumes are

root
nix
swap
home

my fileSystems contains /persist not / because i was told to replace it

bwa

and hardware-config uh

it said options defaults not exist

[tender river]

hmm try verifying the uuid maybe?

failing that i think your best bet is adding boot.shell_on_fail to kernelParams and seeing what went wrong from within the initrd itself

[rough bloom]

the error message makes it sound like the subvolume directory in the root volume doesn't exist but surely that would fail on subvolume creation

[sage crag]

mm uuid

[tender river]

thats the subvolume uuid you need the partition uuid

[sage crag]

erf

[rough bloom]

I did not know that subvolumes had UUIDs

[tender river]

lsblk --fs

[sage crag]

i used blkid

[tender river]

works

[sage crag]

i dont see those uuids

for btrfs its different

should i regenerate hardware-config or just edit the ids

[tender river]

just edit them

[sage crag]

is gonna take forever

[tender river]

om right you dont know vim

[tender river]

good news is you can regenerate it

but

[olive sable]

i dont fully understand how this Bluetooth stuff works yet, but i have audio now

[tender river]

bad news is you're first gonna have to mirror the exact setup you're gonna use (/ as tmpfs, etc) so hardware-configuration ends up being 100% correct this time

should be less work than editing uuids in nano

[sage crag]

this would have been automatic on plasma

good job for learning it though

[olive sable]

[tender river]

iwd my beloved

i hate networkmanager

[opaque sigil]

Me when I have to download weird firmware blobs to make it happy

[olive sable]

i love how there is a folder named desktop and it doesnt put anything on the actual desktop

[warped narwhal]

My 5950x can't run my memory at the same settings as my 5800x3d, this is truly sad

[warped narwhal]

Kde plasma?

[rough bloom]

what desktop

[tender river]

theres no desktop

[sage crag]

bwa

[olive sable]

shouldnt it be the same memory controller?

[sage crag]

but i was supos to

vwa

[olive sable]

hyprland

[rough bloom]

no, I know the compositor
I just meant what chayleaf said, there is no desktop to place shortcuts on or anything

[warped narwhal]

Yes, but the silicon lottery is a bitch, my 5800x3d could run 4 sticks at 3600 16 19 19 38 but my new CPU can't

The ram sticks are only rated for cl18 as well, so I was lucky with both the io die and the ram

[olive sable]

my 5950x can run my 4 stick at 3600 16 19 19 38 at T1, but if i try to overclock it even a litle i start getting memory errors

and blue screens every 10 or so hours

cl 18 as well iirc

[warped narwhal]

Yeah, I can get it to boot with the timings, but memtest gives me 5-6 errors, so I don't want to risk it

[nocturne olive]

My i7-12700K can overclock my 3200 MT/s RAM to 3800 MT/s easily

[olive sable]

is that 2 or 4 sticks?

[nocturne olive]

2

2x32GB

[olive sable]

ye, 2 sticks are generally a lot easier to run

[warped narwhal]

Yeah, 4 sticks is much harder to run, especially on amd

[nocturne olive]

I do hear Intel has better memory controllers

[olive sable]

that is mostly true ye

[tender river]

oh another idea for you (maybe im too late) you can replace the uuids using sed

[sage crag]

i changwd them to labels

ive been isntalling niz for a milion hour

but im finally booted

[tender river]

yippie

[tender river]

nixos-rebuild switch --flake /path/to/flake - switch the system to a new config from a flake path

[sage crag]

i do not have sddm

[tender river]

you can replace switch with boot to change config on boot rather than immediately

or with build to build the config but not apply it at all (useful if you want to use it later or check it for errors or something)

[sage crag]

whenever i press ctrl+up i go to rescue mode

[tender river]

or with test to apply the new config but dont save it as a bootloader entry

[sage crag]

how do i exit rescue mode

[tender river]

erm shouldnt ^d work

[sage crag]

nop

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

i changed ttys

[tender river]

my bad apparently you're supposed to also add this

  services.displayManager.sddm.enable = true;
  services.displayManager.sddm.wayland.enable = true;

i thought the plasma module does that by default

[sage crag]

i did that

gogle

[tender river]

also i found this https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager
generally dotfiles for DEs is a bad idea because DEs are made for graphical configuration so this is not gonna work well, but it will work a little bit

[olive sable]

hyprland has hdr right?

[sage crag]

uh

ymmv

nvidia

[olive sable]

oh

[sage crag]

more likely to work on gnome or kde

[olive sable]

[tender river]

it should work https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDR_monitor_support

[tender river]

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

[sage crag]

wa

[olive sable]

hmm

everythin became dimm

[rigid snow]

increase display brightness duh

[sage crag]

increase sdr or hdr brightness

[sage crag]

should i go for firefox or librewolf

[tender river]

  nix.settings.system-features = [ "gccarch-znver4" ];

and rebuild (this is basically "this machine can run code built for znver4 trust me)

after the rebuild you'll be able to add gcc.arch and whatever to your config

[tender river]

librewolf allows unsigned extensions

the defaults are more sane in some regards and a bit insane in others

for example it doesnt save history by default

its easy to change it though

also theres znver5 too but i suppose its pretty new

[olive sable]

turning on hdr also changed the order of my monitors for some reason

[sage crag]

should i use uh

home manager

it seems like effort

[tender river]

it does seem like effort so dont do it for now

it shines the most if you have a heavily customized setup

if you just use a de its not gonna be super useful

heres a peek into what kind of stuff you can configure with home-manager https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/options.xhtml

[sage crag]

h

this is konii on nix

yup

[tender river]

[sage crag]

electron is using x11

ew

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

im wondering if i should do all of my configs in /etc/nixos or if i should do them in ~/.config

🤔

[tender river]

i keep my config in ~/code/nix/dotfiles2 (because i copied it from ~/code/nix/dotfiles at some point for a reason i dont remember and uh i dont need the original /dotfiles anymore but i keep using dotfiles2 for no reason)

[tender river]

check NIXOS_OZONE_WL, every electron package has code that checks that variable and adds the necessary electron flags if its set

[sage crag]

i set it

probably need to relog

[tender river]

thats such a hardcore way of doing it though wow

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

this should be fine i guess

im not too sure what the actual benefits of vrr are but it supports is so why not i guess

pretty sure that would mean i get gsync???

[fading olive]

I had some issue with bitdepth 10 and ended up turning it off. I think it caused some conflict with steam

[olive sable]

i barely use steam so i dont see it as a problem for now

[fading olive]

or it might have been something with kitty and displaying images

[sage crag]

i do i the

NUR

[tender river]

most things are available in nixpkgs

i only use nur for like uuh

firefox extensions

[sage crag]

klassy

[tender river]

yes thats literally all i use it for

[sage crag]

i dunno how to install klassy

have NUR in my flake.nix

[tender river]

first an explanation

{ a, b, c, d }: ... is a function that takes an attrset (roughly the same as a key-value map, or js object) with keys a, b, c, d

[uneven pulsar]

this screenshot gives me 100% this energy

[sage crag]

its 10pm im not thinking about declarative nix syntax

[tender river]

in nix flakes, inputs is actually not allowed to be arbitrary nix expressions, its a restricted form of expressions that can be easily parsed (simple strings), but then that inputs is resolved and passed to the function outputs

so what i'm getting at is

since you have added an input

you need to make outputs take it

{ self, nixpkgs, impermanence, nur }

[sage crag]

i have seomthing

[olive sable]

welp, somebody from #programming just got hacked and dm'd me the whole bot list

[tender river]

yesh correct

[sage crag]

who got got

you

[olive sable]

@faint ferry this guy

[sage crag]

ripbozo

[amber fractal]

[olive sable]

its the dude that wanted help with his live2D llm integration

[sage crag]

om

bingo

[amber fractal]

Should be a bingo, isn't a bingo

[olive sable]

goota admit, im impressed. its not mr. beast this time, its drake

[tender river]

then just add pkgs.nur.repos.shadowrz.klassy-qt6 to systemPackages probably

[glass flower]

im always scared of getting hacked.... i wonder what got him..

[sage crag]

it work

poghd

[tender river]

yipie

[sage crag]

yipi

[tender river]

everything from pkgs is autoimported using with pkgs; so you dont have to use the full pkgs. path, just in case

[olive sable]

prob just reusing passwords or loging in on a fake website.

[glass flower]

or maybe a malicious python package he installed for his llm?

[sage crag]

live2d-hack-your-computer

mhm

[sage crag]

i wanna try using

home manager

[tender river]

if you want a bit of suffering https://nix-community.github.io/home-manager/
if you want a lot of suffering https://github.com/nix-community/plasma-manager

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

this isnt uh

tachyon

[tender river]

wait let me send my code

[tender river]

awawa doesnt matter just do (osu.override { releaseStream = "tachyon"; })

this is how you override packages' inputs in general

each package is a function that accepts an attrset (object, record) with specific arguments

nix has code that looks up which arguments the function needs and takes them from pkgs

not hardcoded in the language

thats kinda the most interesting part of nix, the language is so simple, the entire module system is custom written, not built into the language

[sage crag]

i dont know how to add this

its giving me a headache

[tender river]

awawawa

easiest way is

you know how in flake.nix you add modules from inputs

[sage crag]

yeh

[tender river]

you can just put a module in there using the same syntax you use in configuration.nix

[sage crag]

sound bad

[tender river]

add this module

{ environment.systemPackages = [ (nix-gaming.packages.x86_64-linux.osu-lazer-bin.override { releaseStream = "tachyon"; }) ]; }

there are other options too

[sage crag]

awa

i will try

where it go

bwa

[tender river]

in modules

you just put that entire { ... } thing in there after ./configuration.nix (or anywhere really)

wait you havent added nix-gaming yet though

do that too

[sage crag]

nix-gaming = {
      url = "github:fufexan/nix-gaming";
    };

awa

[tender river]

also do inputs.nixpkgs.follows

[sage crag]

okie

[tender river]

it basically means "i know you tested against your own nixpkgs version but i want you to use mine instead"

[sage crag]

it somethinging

waho

[tender river]

ehe

generally, in nixos nothing is documented so to find out what options a package accepts you just read its source code

ideally nix edit nixpkgs#konsole should open konsole's code for you

(edit is a misnomer it wont be a writable file, but it does open with EDITOR so eh close enough?)

[sage crag]

!!

[tender river]

awa

i like to update osu! more often than my system so i have a separate flake i use just for osu

nix flake update - update all flake inputs in the lockfile to their latest version
nix flake update nix-gaming - only update the nix-gaming input

[amber fractal]

The Nix cult is growing

[tender river]

this is the simplest way - dont pass nix-gaming to your configuration.nix code, just deal with it on the spot

but if you want to, there are ways to pass it further. For example, nix-gaming itself recommends this setup

then inputs will be available to configuration.nix in the same manner pkgs or lib is (add it to the module inputs and boom its there)

[sage crag]

im trying to do this but im stupid

[tender river]

add nix-gaming.nixosModules.pipewireLowLatency to modules

should make it work hopefully

also if you ever want to use stable osu i "maintain" (like twice a year) this https://github.com/chayleaf/osu-wine.nix

[sage crag]

aaa

[tender river]

identation!

[warped narwhal]

new cpu go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[sage crag]

its

reading

time

[tender river]

security is not in services.pipewire

its separate

[sage crag]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

why is it redownloading vulkan every time i nixos-rebuild switch

[tender river]

[sage crag]

why, in fact

ah feck i need opentabletdriver

[tender river]

hardware.opentabletdriver.enable = true;

thats it

[sage crag]

i like it whne its just

a flag

wahoo

dotnet-runtime

sadge

i think im going to have a terminal with nixos/configuration.nix permanently open at this rate

[tender river]

the blessing and the curse of nixos is that your entire install is just a program

[sage crag]

lol i logged out and logged back in and now im in some tty

bwa

generation 13

[desert plaza]

hey nixos expert, how do i know what options are available to me in config

[tender river]

i only have 60 generations and 129 home generations but i reinstalled at some point so most of my config was already finished at generation 1

[tender river]

man 5 configuration.nix

or web page

https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/unstable/options.html

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

aaaa

otd is gtk style theming

why

[tender river]

dotnet

[sage crag]

holy

its smooth

my download speed is also better?

how is this happening

i noticed that my system utilisation was lower than arch, so presumably that has something to do with it

osu is running on x11

how sad

[tender river]

SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland

you can pass that using .override too

uh wait

....override {
  command_prefix = "${pkgs.obs-studio-plugins.obs-vkcapture}/bin/obs-gamecapture env SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland";
  ...
}

this is what i use

[sage crag]

[tender river]

you can also just set SDL_VIDEODRIVER=wayland systemwide

but some games break from that

actually you can go further and set SDL_DYNAMIC_API to nix-provided sdl2 to make games use system sdl if their sdl version is outdated

but this naturally has even more potential to break everything

[tender river]

of course obs-vkcapture is simply for, well, obs

you can remove that part if you want

[sage crag]

where do i put that

[tender river]

wherever you also put releaseStream = "tachyon";

[tender river]

wall of text with an assortment of tips

broken identation

[sage crag]

for some reason plasma is putting a tablet cursor over osu

bwa

[tender river]

okay how about this

best viewed with tab size 4

here not my problem anymore

[sage crag]

nixos-rebuild is reaally slow

[tender river]

i agree

thats why i often prefer to change some settings manually avoiding the overhead of nixos-rebuild and only then write the final config down in my nix config

improving it would probably require major architectural changes

[sage crag]

they should do it then

[tender river]

iteration speed is one of the biggest pain points of nixos imo

like i have stockholm syndrome but even i cant deny that one

[sage crag]

for some reason i cant use my tablet in discord

[tender river]

"i dont wanna manage this with nixos" does not usually mean "the native configuration is much more intuitive than the nixos way", it simply means "nixos is too fucking slow"

[sage crag]

and whenever i open osu it overlays a tablet cursor on top

like the input just doesnt go through to discord

i think kde is screwing with it

[tender river]

maybe artist mode?

or whatever it is

[sage crag]

it was

i just changed it

[sage crag]

testing streaming

[tender river]

will join in a minute

[tender river]

@cobalt vessel

[opaque wharf]

I just woke up and done backreading

konii nix arc lol

[rigid snow]

[desert plaza]

[amber fractal]

Then you get to "I'll pull everything except for application links or binaries and source a different file for those if it'll allow me."

[hoary lion]

[hoary lion]

did konii left her ableos?

[opaque wharf]

#1336777692070023271

[peak sluice]

Ahh, will move it there

[opaque wharf]

Nah, it's cool. I was just pointing there for more permanent thread

You can talk about it here too just fine

[opaque wharf]

AbleOS is still in development. She never uses it as main OS

Funnily enough, Sam is now on his Linux arc too

[opaque wharf]

Also, you may want to check melba toast

[vestal torrent]

I am cool.

[peak sluice]

Hmm i posted my project and it disappeared, does it require vetting or something?

[vestal torrent]

Cooked.

[peak sluice]

Probably lol

[vestal torrent]

Lol

I'm trying to make a game bro

[amber fractal]

Depending on what it is, mods may not like it (aka competing with 🐢 AI)

[vestal torrent]

I don't know how watching an AI anime girl is going to help that but

[peak sluice]

First time here, just posted my MVP backend for a Neuro inspired PTT AI fuled VTuber, i dont know the nuances of this discord or community, so trial by fire i guess

[amber fractal]

Yeeeeep I see why this was removed from existance

[olive sable]

my left monitor gets flickery at 48hz for some reason

[peak sluice]

Lol, is that a no no? Sharing the secret sauce?

[vestal torrent]

Chat vedals out my door I haven't told him that I secretly stole all of neuros data SHH

[amber fractal]

It's more like do not give people the ability to compete with Neuro

[vestal torrent]

The chat has been silenced

[amber fractal]

nuh uh

AI is a common subject, but AI Vtubers is strictly banned

As a silent rule

[peak sluice]

Wasnt sure how open sourced friendly this discord is to posting software that does some of the same things

[cobalt sigil]

that's probably why

[peak sluice]

Ahh

[cobalt sigil]

dms actually

[peak sluice]

Well, you live you learn, its out there

Lol

[vestal torrent]

Wait a minute I just read the rules I can say fuck?

Yo hold up there's a moderator at my door brb

[amber fractal]

13+ your good

[vestal torrent]

Very very good to know

[peak sluice]

Neuro gonna swat me for posting how the sandwiches are made

[amber fractal]

Discord itself is 13+ after all, gotta obey that one

[cobalt sigil]

open the door

[vestal torrent]

This can be nothing but bad.

[cobalt sigil]

FBI or pizza

either of them

[stray dragon]

nope it's the IRS

[vestal torrent]

If I get pizza evil neuro will just nuke me

[peak sluice]

I built it partly because i wanted one, but mostly to help my son with the back end for his AI science fair project

[tender river]

projects are only for neuro-related projects, a separate ai vtuber isnt really neuro-related

[vestal torrent]

BRO HELP ME

I'm in 7th grade programming classes

My science shit is very no fancy q

It feels like we've been talking about python for 12 years

[peak sluice]

Yep i get it, like i said, new here and was just gonna share it because its inspired by neuro and functions similarly as the channel/community gave me the idea

[peak sluice]

Get ready to talk about python for the rest of your life if youre going into a dev career

Source : im a 40 year old dev

[vestal torrent]

No no this is where my story ends...

I'm heading back to the chess club😭

[peak sluice]

Fly free then, and dont look back!

[olive sable]

changed vrr from 1 to 2, thsi supposedly would enable it only for fullscreen apps

fucking numlock i swear

[vestal torrent]

I'm sorry but what are mobile games

I see them all the time and then I just question

WHY

[amber fractal]

Your numlock key has been disabled

[olive sable]

cuz its cheap, its easy, and its free

99% of mobile games are jsut slop for making money

[amber fractal]

Seconded, mobile games have no reason to be good

[olive sable]

[stray dragon]

100%, it's enforced by the play store/app store

[desert plaza]

bro stop with the numlock shenanigans already

[amber fractal]

I only have 5 games on here that I maybe will play

[olive sable]

ye idk why but it keeps getting disabled

each instance of kitty needs me to re-enable it

same thing for disocrd

[desert plaza]

quit using numlock then

[olive sable]

its not a system wide thing for some reason

[desert plaza]

i mean

numpad

[olive sable]

no

[vestal torrent]

I don't really see myself trying to make an anime AI girl

[olive sable]

i bought the numpad, im gonna use the numpad

[vestal torrent]

I'm about to make salmon Nora over here

[olive sable]

this keyboard was unreasonably expensive, ill use each key

[vestal torrent]

Forget to neruo

[amber fractal]

One of these is close to as old as I am and had to disable android security locks (I'm talking about the android 12 update) to get it on here

[vestal torrent]

Welcome inn Nora Salman

[peak sluice]

Lol yeah im struggling with that myself, but its a free model in VS, so until i decide to bite the bullet and buy a decent model thats not so weeby, anime girl it is for testing

[desert plaza]

you did not buy the numpad separately

[olive sable]

no i didnt

but i still paid extra for it

[desert plaza]

i have a numpad, i do not use it

[peak sluice]

He bought the keyboard and smashed it, so now only the numpad works, so for all intents and purposes he bought the numpad

[olive sable]

nah i dont smash my keyboard

it would hurt my empty wallet

[desert plaza]

why did you buy a keyboard with a numpad

[olive sable]

it has rgb

[desert plaza]

mine has rgb too

and a missing æ key

[olive sable]

i got a k70 rgb pro

[amber fractal]

No one needs the Rctrl key anyways

[desert plaza]

i do not know of what you speak

i am not missing Rctrl

[olive sable]

i have this one

except that it was on sale when i got it

i paid 130

so far nothing is broken besides the corsair logo led, and the numlock led

[desert plaza]

i applied pressure to the membrane switch with the missing keycap to type this letter: æ

[olive sable]

[desert plaza]

[olive sable]

the reason those leds dont workis cuz there was a short circuit on the daughter board those leds are on, and i jsut cut of cables till it stopped short circuiting

[amber fractal]

copilot button (real)

[olive sable]

is that what that button is for?

i have probably pressed that less than 20 times

[amber fractal]

I forgot what button copilot replaced

[olive sable]

i didnt know they replaced a button

[ivory plinth]

the opens the right click menu for some reason button

[amber fractal]

Looks like Rctrl

useless button

[olive sable]

understandable

those bottom right buttons are useless

i dont even use right alt or whatever the fuck the fortnite button is supposed to do

[amber fractal]

I'll give grace to Ralt for sometimes being altgr

[ivory plinth]

until you have to press a key far from the left with one hand

[olive sable]

right alt is altgr on belgian keyboards, but im not completely on board with it

[desert plaza]

i have altgr

[amber fractal]

I prefer linux's apporach of a compose button

[desert plaza]

without i cannot type @

or $

[amber fractal]

(mostly due to the .XCompose file)

[olive sable]

ah yes

[amber fractal]

The day discord allows me to do Compose x d x = :xdx: will be a good day

[desert plaza]

what about hblang

[olive sable]

lesbian?

[desert plaza]

erm idk

[safe path]

there are many normal rust developers

[amber fractal]

Maybe I should just open up discord as a webapp on firefox, it isn't like I use mods anyways

[olive sable]

you say in your bunny girl pfp

[amber fractal]

user has been banned for ratioing a moderator

[olive sable]

[safe path]

[opaque wharf]

My bad lol, I have no idea of such rule

[bitter coral]

surely the multi frame ui is good now

[opaque wharf]

Have you read the wiki that I sent yesterday?

Specifically, where it talks about enable it for every new tty

[opaque wharf]

VS? Visual Studio?

[olive sable]

i opened it yesterday but i wasnt in linux then

[midnight sigil]

I thought you were making an art program

oh nvm it is an art program

[bitter coral]

I’m just not sure what to animate with it so I’m just moving chess pieces for now.

I need to find a tutorial on animating ui elements because me hiding / revealing the layer section of the ui modifies its position which doesn’t take resizing the window into account.

[olive sable]

you have multiple ways to do it

but for animated ui i like having multiple textures in the same image file and just changing the uv's

[bitter coral]

I mean specifically for like sliding the ui off screen, I feel like that solution would be a bit odd for that use case.

[olive sable]

oh ye

for that just actually slide it

from the sound of it you should use relative cordinates?

[bitter coral]

I’m using the animation player node for it right now so I think I have to do it in a script instead if I want to use relative coordinates.

I think that is the solution for now though if I don’t find anything else.

[olive sable]

im assuming you just want somethin like screen.width - x or whatever?

[bitter coral]

I could do it like that, I’d just have to figure out how to complete the animation in a set duration which should be pretty doable.

[olive sable]

[bitter coral]

I assume I should also do something like y = screen.height/2 just to be safe.

Technically it would be screen.height/2+ui.height/2

[fast pagoda]

i need to fix my cooling so bad
my shit is throttling down so hard compiling this kernel

someone tell me how im getting 2.5ghz all core compiling

how can this be

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

time for new thermal paste

[olive sable]

-# cant go wrong with noctua

[fast pagoda]

i have a corsair H150i on this

it's been like 2 years since i reapplied thermal paste though

i think it's finally had it

kinda thought i'd have swapped the cpu by now though

when's the 9950x3dx2 coming out

[olive sable]

10950x3d probably soon-ish

unless they skip 10 and go straight to 11

like how they did 5 to 7

[fast pagoda]

maybe since i cant bring myself to pay $2500 for a 5090 ill just grab me a 9995WX for $10,000

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

I think 2 year should not dry out the paste yet?

[fast pagoda]

2 years is kinda while

[olive sable]

nah it shouldnt afaik

most thermal past should at least last 5

[fast pagoda]

i dunno i would expect this to not have it at 90c and throttling down like this

[opaque wharf]

Or you can try to buy that phase change stuff

[fast pagoda]

i generally try to swap it every few years

• i definitely need to vacuum the thing

[opaque wharf]

So you never have to repaste

[opaque wharf]

This may have a bigger impact tbh

[fast pagoda]

i have wanted a phase change cooler ever since i saw people rigging up shit like this 20 years ago

ln2 but sliiightly less horrid to use :^)

well, a lot of the performance of ln2 anyways

wew

this could be me

turn on pc, begin compiling kernel

compressor kicks on like an outdoor AC unit

[opaque wharf]

I was thinking more in the line of phase change thermal pad lmao

The PTM thingy

[fast pagoda]

no no you say phase change around me this is what you're talkin about

but yeah i have seen those

[olive sable]

kicking the heat into the room the pc is in is fine-ish, but you're better of jsut doign it the AC unit way

[opaque wharf]

Phase change cooling is just straight up a refrigerator and its refrigeration cycle

[fast pagoda]

these things will maintain below 0 cpu temp venting the heat to the room just fine

yes it's literally just a refridgeration/heat pump cycle

you can rig up an old AC unit for it

[opaque wharf]

This sounds like its been on the back of your mind for a while

[fast pagoda]

literally 20 years yes

[deep badge]

cool extension I made

[fast pagoda]

where fish

i want to see a catch

[opaque wharf]

You remind me of @wary rover

[faint sandal]

https://tenor.com/bA1NR.gif

[opaque wharf]

Creating a cli fishing minigame using Rust

[fast pagoda]

mfw just compiled kernel with avx512//zen4 opts instead of not that when i dont have zen4 rn

FKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[deep badge]

uh ok

[fast pagoda]

i just want to see the game itself ;_; it looks kewl

[opaque wharf]

How many kernel operation even benefits from SIMD

[fast pagoda]

at least 1

perhaps 2

i would say

generally multimedia stuff would though

audio DSP related crap

memcpy/memmove etc etc also probably

any compression, encryption, file system batch operations

probably even network stuff would benefit from simd

not sure what though because imagine understanding networking

[deep badge]

dunking on fish ez

[fast pagoda]

that is a satisfying number of bites

[deep badge]

Yes

[opaque wharf]

Chat is this true?

[deep badge]

hmmm might be