programming

[opaque wharf]

Is manjaro DDoS ing the AUR again?

[fallow blaze]

I did a 512x512 Eulerian fluid simulation in C++, CUDA, OpenGL: https://vimeo.com/1109607095

[hoary lion]

I cant slee0

[nocturne olive]

Just Thread.sleep(1_000_000)

[hoary lion]

Help

Somebody make a boring joke

[opaque wharf]

Drink coffee

So you sleep faster

[hoary lion]

My body is not managing heat very well

[opaque wharf]

Sleep in the bath tub

[hoary lion]

Whatever ill try my best gn chat

[rigid snow]

wouldn’t recommend

[olive sable]

Aight imma sleep

I know i said i would do the vertex buffer today but linux happened

Ill do ot when i wake up

Also ive been thinking, im pretty much stuck at 15k fps with how vulkan works, i could maybe stretch it to 17k fps if i do manual memory stuff

But like
What if i just dont draw a new frame if nothing in the scene changed? I could easily get 50k fps like that

[lament igloo]

this is horrible lmfao

[hollow spruce]

What are u trying to do this

[lament igloo]

i didnt write this, AI did

i wouldnt write that typa shit

[hollow spruce]

Which ai (how to fill ram WITH this one )

[rough bloom]

it doesn't count as a new frame if you don't actually render anything
it's also not an optimization that game engines can really use effectively, everything is too dynamic

[olive sable]

Ye thats why i thought

The yt video about "highest minecraft fps" did exactly that tho

It feels like cheating

[hollow spruce]

MY TEACHER IS SUCK

[olive sable]

The thing with skipping a frame. Nothing on screen changes, bjt you dont have the overhead from the cpu-gpu queue

So like ofcourse you can "draw" 100k fps

It becomes a game of 10000 cuda cores, 1500mhz, x amount of pixels

[noble zodiac]

hot take but, why would you want 100k fps

[olive sable]

Its just about the number

It does not matter at all above 1k fps

[noble zodiac]

just draw your own fps counter and make it show a million

easy money

[olive sable]

Im wrong on this, its the cpu clock speed that matters since if you skip drawing a frame you're not interacting with the gpu at all

[olive sable]

That is basicly the only way to get more that 100kfps

Unless you start optemizing the compiled code manually

If you're not drawing a frame, the only thing the mainloop would be doing is incrementing the framecount.

Ok enough schizoing about frames

Gn

[midnight sigil]

are you still only drawing a triangle

[olive sable]

Yes

Altho there wont be much diffrence between a single triangle and 10000

Cuz im cpu limited

Gpu us at 40%

[true hemlock]

higher FPS means more stressed out your CPU is

at some point the CPU won't be able to process/schedule a frame faster than that, even though the GPU still can

[trim valve]

sam you've made be curious about your shenanegans again

literally leave me alone creep

[sage crag]

erf

[lament igloo]

yo chat i wanna improve my code more

can anyone give me ideas involving tools for text

like prefixer, suffixer, etc.

[silver vault]

Hmmm is there anyone familiar with fedora based bazzite system?

I want to install libc++ but bazzite cannot use sudo apt get

[sage crag]

make a regular expression (regex) engine

with perhaps a minimal subset of typical regex engines

[sage crag]

you use dnf install on fedora basef distros

[silver vault]

Woo ok wait let me go check how to use it

Theres not much information for install android studio sdk on fedora and this is my first time dealing with linux/fedora

[lament igloo]

hmmm can i really do this? my skills are becoming rusted n shi

[sage crag]

[opaque sigil]

State machines

[midnight sigil]

github copilot

oh

I misunderstood

do AWA5.0 byte-code compiler

[sick owl]

https://vxtwitter.com/sama/status/1955438916645130740

Sam Altman (@sama)

Updates to ChatGPT:

You can now choose between “Auto”, “Fast”, and “Thinking” for GPT-5. Most users will want Auto, but the additional control will be useful for some people.

Rate limits are now 3,000 messages/week with GPT-5 Thinking, and then extra capacity on GPT-5 Thinking mini after that limit. Context limit for GPT-5 Thinking is 196k tokens. We may have to update rate limits over time depending on usage.

4o is back in the model picker for all paid users by default. If we ever do deprecate it, we will give plenty of notice. Paid users also now have a “Show additional models” toggle in ChatGPT web settings which will add models like o3, 4.1, and GPT-5 Thinking mini. 4.5 is only available to Pro users—it costs a lot of GPUs.

We are working on an update to GPT-5’s personality which should feel warmer than the current personality but not as annoying (to most users) as GPT-4o. However, one learning for us from the past few days is we really…

vxTwitter / fixvx · Aug 13, 2025, 1:19 AM

[midnight sigil]

tools for text

[sick owl]

Holy course correct

[midnight sigil]

markov chain

[sick owl]

Markovbaj my beloved

[sage crag]

are we at the end of the emoji spam era

[warped narwhal]

No

[sage crag]

how will i know gpt did a good job if it didnt add 🔥 🚀

[lament igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY70AcaXq40
bruh

[lament igloo]

i noticed it happening when it thought for 20-60 seconds recently

[stark needle]

awa

[midnight sigil]

awa

I mean, it is a tool for text

and it's an interesting tool

[lament igloo]

after 15 years, ne1.co expired
and with that, my old subdomain z.ne1.co also expired
rip

[midnight sigil]

my nuro.rest

[silver vault]

Not working🥲

I give up

Windows it is

[lament igloo]

yeah i cant bring that back unless i have funds

[midnight sigil]

sadge

[sage crag]

you dont have to use bazzite you knoq

[trim valve]

ok as much as go feels weird to use I am starting to understand why people might choose it

[sage crag]

goroutines are good

and now that go has generic types its more than a toy language

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

still never going to use it

the space of go fans is somehow even worse than the space of rust fans

awa

[ivory plinth]

you cant install things normally with bazzite as the system files are read only

also hi programmings

[sage crag]

maybe its because rust reached a high popularity so the rewrite-in-rust people are satisfied

[midnight sigil]

rewrite in awa

I should add built-in standard library supports for the todos

[trim valve]

I am only using go because the alternative is worse

time to figure out how to pipe two tcp streams together with zero go experience

[rough bloom]

they would be if they weren't a worse version of Erlang/BEAM processes
-# mostly because of the OTP, but still

[white meteor]

is there a way to help vedal with programming?

i really like ethical AI and i feel that this world needs more of it.

[noble zodiac]

"ethical" AI

[rigid snow]

ethical this ethical that

as long as there's something that can be abused it will be

[uneven pulsar]

we need a new direction

my ai steals ethically

if you have art that means you weren't working in the mines -> you're the rich -> i'm stealing from you ethically

[rigid snow]

how do you know they aren't drawing in the mines

[uneven pulsar]

from the lack of coal dust between pixels

[midnight sigil]

oh wait how do I do functions with a instruction-based language

I can only simulate SIMD

[opaque sigil]

you make arbitrary decisions and say "this block of instructions is now a function"

[lament igloo]

"hey neuro, i wanna see a magic trick!"

[small anvil]

i would assume you’d have labels stored somewhere in the program which is just the offset of a specific instruction and then you can just move your instruction counter to the labels offset

and then you’d need to have a system for function ages

[midnight sigil]

that's what the Label(lbl) do, except you need to manually handle the returns your own

[small anvil]

omg

args

[midnight sigil]

I meant how to call the functions

oh I see now

holy that's some pretty complex rewrite to the original specification

[small anvil]

jump to the offset and shift call frame

[midnight sigil]

yea I need some linking magic

[small anvil]

shouldnt be too hard

[midnight sigil]

the interpreter would be a junk at the end

[small anvil]

you got this fr

[midnight sigil]

I'm bad at coding

[silver vault]

well i used bazzite because I thought linux android emulator is better

[small anvil]

if in doubt use AI to analyse the code and test extensively or alternatively just send code ur unsure of here xd

[silver vault]

But anyway I got it running in windows

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

vwa

bwa with a v

[midnight sigil]

vwa

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

[silver vault]

Ok

Wow

[tender river]

"look at how innovative our language is, we have this feature invented in 1950s! still not satisfied? look you really don't need much more, but just for you, there's one more feature invented in 1970s"

[silver vault]

Edited is like unedited

[trim valve]

ok go is certainly going

[small anvil]

btw i would recommend making some test units for ur compiler

[sage crag]

what programming language has a idea invented in the 2000s though

[trim valve]

I wish this was async rust

but alas

[small anvil]

i recommend googles test suite or alternatively boost

[trim valve]

goroutines

[midnight sigil]

yep I'm going to

[trim valve]

[small anvil]

c++?

[sage crag]

an idea*****

[midnight sigil]

rust frfr

[midnight sigil]

ye

[small anvil]

googles test suite is the way to go, its relatively simple and gets the job done

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

wait there's rust bindings

[rigid snow]

rust invented programming

[trim valve]

or well a rust wrapper over the C bindings

[midnight sigil]

:neuroTrue:

[small anvil]

although google is a bitch with their dependencies (take a look at protocol buffers)

[sage crag]

protobuf awa

[small anvil]

got me fighting for my life trying to compile it

[rough bloom]

awa
awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awa awa awawawa
awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awa awa awawa awa
awawa awa awawa awa awa awawa awa
awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awawa awawa awa
awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awa awawa awa awa
awawa awa awawa awa awa awawa awa
awawawawa awa
awa awa awawa awa

2 0 3 1
free test (idk if this behavior is even correct the spec is not very clear about this)

[trim valve]

...and of course they're 2 years out of date

I'll stick to writing awful go for now

[midnight sigil]

hold let me boot up my termux and test

[small anvil]

my colleague is talking to me about rewriting a c++ multiplayer game server that we use in go (i have not touched go at all)

[trim valve]

that sounds

like a choice

[small anvil]

a choice i wouldn’t make

[trim valve]

yeah

[small anvil]

i feel like c++ is fine, but it’s mostly due to because i’m better at c++ than anything

and my colleague doesn’t know c++ so..

well he’s learning but

apparently go rivals c++ at compilation time and exec time

in some cases

which i find hard to believe

[opaque sigil]

go absolutely shits on c++ in terms of compilation speed

it's not even close

[tender river]

theres a lot of ideas that exist theoretically but havent reached a state that's good enough for general adoption

[small anvil]

yeah i can believe that but exec time i find kinda hard to believe

[opaque sigil]

as for speed, the reality is most things are not just raw number crunching so they'll be pretty close

[tender river]

even algebraic effects have appeared in literature since very late 90s but they're still not used in any mainstream language

[small anvil]

i’ll have to try to learn it when i get back home

[trim valve]

my current view is that go's networking feels really icky

[small anvil]

but c++ imo is kinda weird too, you have so many functions for setting up a socket and to let it receive connections and packets it just feels very convoluted

and due to my stupid self trying to get build time as quick as possible (we use a CI runner for this) i don’t use a lot of dependencies

[trim valve]

I vastly prefer that over the way go's stdlib does it

[small anvil]

so using a helper is off the table

[small anvil]

on a scale of 1/10 how bad is it xd

[tender river]

arguably, borrow checker is an idea from 2000s

[trim valve]

it depends on what you define as bad

[small anvil]

yeah true

[trim valve]

basically though all of the tcp listen functions are in the format Listen(network string, host <either string or address struct depending on function called>)

and then network defines whether you're doing dual stack networking, ipv4 only or ipv6 only

not to mention the existance of net.Dial

I do not like this thing

[small anvil]

oh god yeah i just looked that up

wtf

thats super weird

why don’t they just use the same function??? 😓

[trim valve]

hm?

no dial is for connecting to a host

[small anvil]

it would be much better to do something like net.Listen("udp", "*:8000")

[small anvil]

ohhh i see

[trim valve]

*:8000 makes no sense as a listening ip but sure

[small anvil]

i do NOT know go 😓

usually that’s how you would listen on .NET so i just used it

[trim valve]

it would fail in every language I use 😭

[small anvil]

fairs

[tender river]

0.0.0.0 is how you generally specify you want to listen on every single interface

* is a microsoftism

[small anvil]

yep but im used to it so oh well 😥

[sage crag]

definitely switching to nix next time i switch

[trim valve]

on one hand I like that you can simplify your tcp and udp into one function

on the other hand

who on earth though that would be a good idea

[tender river]

https://wiki.nixos.org/wiki/Build_flags#Building_the_whole_system_on_NixOS

[trim valve]

for two protocols with entirely different semantics

[midnight sigil]

[trim valve]

😭

[midnight sigil]

I waited 3 minutes

[small anvil]

Rip 😭😭😭

hate when that happens

do you have a main function?? it’s saying you don’t lmao

[opaque sigil]

we have gentoo at home

[small anvil]

oh wait

that’s for termux

[sage crag]

im ready to cook my cpu for science

[sage crag]

i will use literally anything but portage

[rough bloom]

[trim valve]

aaaa I hate this so much

[tender river]

you will probably still just use tabs but anyway the preferred indentation in the nix ecosystem is two spaces

[sage crag]

i will continue to use hard tabs

indeed

[midnight sigil]

g++ -std=c++20 -Oz -o awa src/AwaConverter.cpp src/AwaInterpreter.cpp src/main.cpp worked

Fuck gold linker

Doesn't compatible with termux

[sage crag]

why in the hell do you expect anything to work on termux

its packages are outdated and hardly anything is supported

bwa

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

use lld instead

gold is the gnu linker, i dont expect it to be very portable

[midnight sigil]

don't use the word outdated, use stable instead

[sage crag]

its stable like debian 10

[midnight sigil]

[uneven pulsar]

a rock solid foundation to sleep on

in eternal peace

[sage crag]

discord mobile doesnt support avif

funny

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369709631756173372/1369709632121082047/NeuroIUH.gif

[rough bloom]

I can see that avif on mobile

[sage crag]

niuh

niuhs

[trim valve]

please gods of go allow me to figure out how to write this

let (mut conn_a, _) = listener.accept().await.unwrap();
let mut conn_b = TcpStream::connect(...).await.unwrap();

let (a_send, a_recv) = conn_a.split();
let (b_send, b_recv) = conn_a.split();

async fn pipe<'a>(from: ReadHalf<'a>, to: WriteHalf<'a>) -> Result<(), /* error type */> {
  let mut buffer = vec![0u8; 2048];

  loop {
    let read = from.read(&mut buffer).await?;

    if read == 0 { return Ok(()); }

    to.write_all(&buffer[..read]).await?;
  }
}

select!{
  res = pipe(a_recv, b_send) => res.unwrap(),
  res = pipe(b_recv, a_send) => res.unwrap(),
}

because the only current option seems to be some really annoying deadline-based polling on a cancellation

[sage crag]

polling polling

everything is polling

[trim valve]

I'm aware rust is probably also polling

but out of sight out of mind

[sage crag]

when you avoid polling you just delegate the polling up a layer of abstraction

[tender river]

btw tokio::io::copy

[sage crag]

eventually you get to interrupts and its just the cpu polling

[opaque sigil]

use channels and select i guess

[sage crag]

[noble zodiac]

the unwrap gremlins will attack you in your sleep

[tender river]

also ::copy_bidirectional

[sage crag]

what

[trim valve]

I would but unfortunately the goal is not to do this cleanly in rust, but to do it at all in go

[tender river]

yuh just use select

[sage crag]

sure let me just put a ? on the end instead

[sage crag]

will be meaningfully different

[tender river]

its so clear what happened when a function that deals with 2 sockets and bidirectional data transfer returns an io error

[sage crag]

when something go wrong, ending program execution is OK!

thats why we have unwrap and unwrap_unsafe

[trim valve]

if I was writing it more thoroughly I'd wrap the error but lazy

[sage crag]

unwrap_unsafe continues the program which is UB

[trim valve]

that code was 100% written in the discord chatbox

[sage crag]

unwrap ends the program, there is no UB

[noble zodiac]

thats why we have expect

[midnight sigil]

I guess this works, kinda.

[trim valve]

oh damn go has basically exactly this

[rough bloom]

better than the JS implementation
it just gave me undefined as the output

[opaque sigil]

i like the libc++ error at the end after it's done

[trim valve]

no idea if it works though

[midnight sigil]

the bad variant access I assume due to wrongly treating div as a instruction that needs a variable, when it doesn't

[lament igloo]

hey @rough bloom , i got a polyglot file, wanna see

[trim valve]

why on earth is it io.Copy(dst, src)

[midnight sigil]

the error is probably from writing a stacktrace after everything's done

[sage crag]

stack machines stack machines

[patent walrus]

go mention

[opaque sigil]

what else would it be

[midnight sigil]

wait wrong reply

[sage crag]

register machines are based and stack machines are bad

end of presentation

[trim valve]

src, dst?

I feel like that's a pretty commonly accepted order

tokio uses it

[opaque wharf]

This is just slander against AWA5.0

[rough bloom]

dw I already saw them
polyglots are cool but no longer that interesting once you know how they work
I know that you can do some funny stuff with zip especially because the header is at the end of the file

[tender river]

memcpy and mov are dst, src

[opaque sigil]

c does dst first so i guess that's why

[lament igloo]

is go complicated to learn

[trim valve]

ah fair

[tender river]

like the = statement

a = b, dst src

[sage crag]

every lily function that accepts dest, src accepts it in the order of dest, src

[opaque wharf]

Aw man, you already changed again lmao

[trim valve]

fair enough, I'll lose that argument

[midnight sigil]

the original JavaScript interpreter takes account for line breaks, they aren't filtered out, it might be the reason why

[trim valve]

I still dislike go though

[opaque sigil]

if you're familiar with programming already you can get the basics down in an afternoon easy

[sage crag]

no i dont care enough about awa5.0 to slander it

[lament igloo]

ah okay
this needs no introduction then

[lament igloo]

alright, ill try it out someday

[rough bloom]

yeah, I decided to keep it for 24h and then change back

[sage crag]

its directed more at python

[rough bloom]

it's literally designed around being easy to learn

[opaque wharf]

Python is stack machine?

[sage crag]

python bytecode & interpreter yes

not for things like cython or pypy

[midnight sigil]

wait for me to make it both reg based and stack based

[sage crag]

but for cpython yes

[sage crag]

thats silly

x86 already does that

push pop awa

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

x86 is AWA5.0 extension confirmed

[sage crag]

mhmmmmmmm

anyway if you have register machine you dont need stack machine

[midnight sigil]

need to keep those tech debts alive, backward compatibility with the original specification is essential

[sage crag]

the only advantage of stack machines i can think of off the top of my head is their simplicity

[opaque wharf]

I think even on the hardware level it is not simple

Or wait

[midnight sigil]

first-in-first-out is based

[sage crag]

they are much simpler on hardware level

you dont need to encode operands for simple instructions

no register operands

[opaque wharf]

Yeah true

[sage crag]

also stack machines generally have a smaller ISA than register machines for this reason

since there is only 1 size or kind of data on a stack

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

for these reasons they are simpler and can have smaller binaries and ISAs

but they suck at parallelism and pipelining

and their memory traffic is crazy

[hollow spruce]

Yo

[sage crag]

anyway awa6.0 should have a register machine

call it the bubble pond

[opaque wharf]

You won't have crazy memory traffic if every operation is done at the memory

[sage crag]

push
pop
push
pop
push
pop

memory traffic

[midnight sigil]

bubble grid

nvm bubble pond sounds better

[sage crag]

its a pond because its depth isnt infinite

mhm

probably around 16 bubbles is enough

hbvm has 256 registers but its huge overkill

[opaque wharf]

Nah, let's not call it bubble

[sage crag]

iduno

@tender river do you recommend i use a graphical or minimal iso for installing nix

[opaque wharf]

Nuuuu, not another nix convert

We need to gatekeep distro hop

[sage crag]

ive been a staunch arch user for the entire time ive used linux

ive used gentoo sometimes, fedora sometimes, and debian sometimes

i used popos once or twice

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

but arch has always been the thing i go back to

[opaque sigil]

go the gpu route and have 2^16 registers

[opaque sigil]

i think you can just not install a DE If you want to with the graphical installer so there's no reason not to go with that

all the installer does is generate a temporary config that can then be installed anyway

[sage crag]

im interested in bcachefs

but also i dont really want to go near it considering the linux kernel drama

[opaque sigil]

yeah i went with btrfs because of that

[midnight sigil]

Bubble Pond contains sentient bubbles capable of responsive locomotion upon calling.

[opaque sigil]

last thing i'd like to deal with is my file system being kicked out of the kernel

[rigid snow]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/national-drought-group-meets-to-address-nationally-significant-water-shortfall

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

never used the graphical iso so cant comment but its probably gonna work fine

[midnight sigil]

💀

is this written by AI

[rough bloom]

ye, only advantage is that with the minimal install you get to use the tools that you're going to use later anyway
but it's not too important

[midnight sigil]

or it's an actual pun designed

by the government as well

[hollow spruce]

All sold out

[opaque sigil]

wdym

[opaque wharf]

Tell an actual power hungry datacenter

[rigid snow]

why would it be written by ai

i don’t get it

[midnight sigil]

context stuff

[rough bloom]

do you get to edit the Nix files directly using the graphical installer

[opaque sigil]

Yeah you can just close the installer and use the terminal

[sage crag]

while im here

may as well update my bios

[rough bloom]

just use the minimal installer at that point

[midnight sigil]

updating bios

https://tenor.com/view/alert-siren-warning-light-gif-15160785

[sage crag]

mhm just had to switch from exfatprogs to exfat-utils to open up my ventoy drive

nice

[opaque sigil]

Yeah but I don't want to have 2 installers on my drive

[hollow spruce]

Artist+ programmer ?
I give up and I can't draw an image i need ai models to do works

[rigid snow]

[midnight sigil]

what are you trying to do even

I'm confused

[rough bloom]

fair
I think I only have the minimal one around, the graphical one is too fat

[hollow spruce]

Ure legend piece

[midnight sigil]

my context window is not enough for this

[sage crag]

what do you recommend

i have never used nix before

[rough bloom]

for the installer? minimal
mostly because it's 10x smaller and you get transparency into what happens

but graphical one is fine, you'll get practically the same system at the end

[tender river]

the graphical iso is just calamares; the minimal iso is super easy as its just partition + config generation + then just run nixos-install

just use whatever you want

[sage crag]

calamares is nice

i will try minimal first

need to backup my stuff first tho

[hollow spruce]

I will stick with no gui at least i can save vrams

[sage crag]

i may even remake my ventoy disk because exfat doesnt preserve git repos

[trim valve]

ok finally I made go bend to my will

[tender river]

note that by default anything in /etc and /var will just be there and not get nuked on reboot which is probably what you want, later if you want you can setup root on tmpfs so only /nix and /boot (and /home etc) have to be mounted persistently

[hollow spruce]

Bye I'm going to my basement

[tender river]

the manual has a good summary actually

[sage crag]

does anyone have the original files for the neuro-sama vscode icons

i have the nuro one but not the evil one

[tender river]

#neurotic-neurons message ip grabber

[sage crag]

ip grabber

awa

[tender river]

#neurotic-neurons message

[sage crag]

yuppers

[midnight sigil]

visual steuro

I wonder who's the original

[tender river]

i am not the original

i am a clone

[trim valve]

microsoooft

nevermind I am saved

[tender river]

ho o o o ors

[trim valve]

searching "create and format" didn't bring up disk management so I got scared

[tender river]

a wa wa wa wa

[opaque wharf]

dism being not disk management is kinda bad naming sense

[rigid snow]

It literally does nothing. Try it.

i am now severely addicted to nop

[faint sandal]

isn't it diskmgmt.msc

that makes more sense than dism

[midnight sigil]

oh so reddit actually banned people from using their data to train AI

cool

:mhm:

Ba + 2Na = BaNaNa

[maiden geyser]

sequel please

[tender river]

reddit is selling it https://blog.google/inside-google/company-announcements/expanded-reddit-partnership/

wouldnt make sense to allow taking that data for free

[trim valve]

god fucking dammit go

[tender river]

microsoft defender doing its job for once

[trim valve]

I hate this

[tender river]

its not a virus

its go

[trim valve]

😔

what

what is a Waccatac.C!ml

[tender river]

apparently !ml means it was detected through machine learning

azaka please dont kill me if im wrong i dont know anything about windows

[trim valve]

it did give me a notif about a cloud scan needing to happen on it

[maiden geyser]

bro uses an antivirus in 2k25 💔

[trim valve]

I would just like not care about this if I could

unfortunately this needs to live on a usb stick so if I'm tripping defender I'm not gonna be happy 😭

[midnight sigil]

classic corpa

[maiden geyser]

why not corpo

[trim valve]

ok stripping symbols seems to have fixed it

[sick owl]

Mistral Small 3.2 Q6_K_XL my beloved

[stark needle]

[opaque wharf]

Azaka will not kill you. Instead, azaka will replace every OS on every compute device you own to some flavors of windows

Windows IoT, Windows Embedded, and (god forgive me for uttering this word) Windows 11

[sage crag]

nix update

i have not touched the installer yet

because im too busy converting my files to better formats

[tender river]

[sage crag]

you

smol

[tender river]

spot the elvyn

[sage crag]

i found her

[tender river]

also this is something you can use for dotfiles https://github.com/nix-community/home-manager/
(essentially a programmable substitute for something like gnu stove)
but it doesnt work super well for DE configuration since DEs arent made with external configurability in mind

gnu stove

no

gnu stow

[sage crag]

hi

i have never used dotfiles

but i want to try

[tender river]

i still dont know a good way of using home-manager

because if you make it part of your system it works well but now you have to evaluate your system and your dotfiles together which is slow

if you separate them it evaluates much faster but now your dotfiles and your system are potentially desynced

[opaque sigil]

I have accepted my fate and am just storing all dotfiles via chezmoi and then non dotfiles home manager stuff in the config

Does that mean I have absolute paths as string in my nix config? Yes

[sage crag]

`

[tender river]

the way i do it is

1. nixos-rebuild boot
2. reboot
3. without opening sway, home-manager switch
4. open sway

[sage crag]

i dont know what that mean

awa

[tender river]

that way its mostly synced

if i update mesa old versions of packages built for old mesa stop working

so if the system mesa changes the package versions in my home profile have to also be updated

anyway i like home-manager but its because my configuration is quite big, if its small its probably more trouble than its worth

home-manager lets me use the same setup on my phone and pc

normal dotfiles wouldnt work because the configurations are largely the same but have lots of minute differences

[tender river]

imo, your pathway should probably look like this:

1. first, just get comfortable editing your config instead of running commands for modifying your system
2. then, look into using flakes (it specifies the exact version of nixpkgs used for your system, without flakes its stored somewhere in /etc or something)
3. then, if you want to you can look into impermanence (to make your system more predictable by wiping everything that isnt allowlisted on boot) or home-manager (allows non-systemwide configuration)

https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/unstable/options.html is a lifesaver
also available via man 5 configuration.nix

random tip:

sed -i '' <some-path> to turn a file from a symlink into a regular file (useful if you want to turn nix-managed files into something to edit manually, your changes will be destroyed next time you use nix but its useful for quick testing/debugging)

[sage crag]

hi i moved on from organising backups and changing file formats

now im on finding a different multiboot usb solution to ventoy

because i dont like ventoy that much

[tender river]

bwaa does it even exist

https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/404663

questionable upstream

[sage crag]

yuh

this is why i dislike ventoy

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/3224 there's this so things seem to be kind of happening but yeah

[sage crag]

looks like everyone has just been arguing

just about 0 productive happenings

lol

[opaque sigil]

Hey I'm just happy it's being acknowledged at least

[sage crag]

[tender river]

the creator provided build instructions but basically nobody suggested a way of making them part of the ci pipeline. lol

[sage crag]

maybe i will stick with ventoy

[tender river]

yeah... i dont think there are any good alternatives

[sage crag]

i could put grub on there and do it manually

[tender river]

mhm chainbooting

[hollow spruce]

Achievement unlock: multiple at ones
STATUS: 4

[sage crag]

https://github.com/mytbk/liveusb-builder

2 years ago

sadge

[tender river]

might still work

oh it doesnt rely on grub chaining

i think grub chaining is the easiest way to implement it, create a grub config that has entries for each grub config on each partition

"easiest" this is just sad

[sage crag]

seems like a hassle, i dont even know if will work

[hollow spruce]

[download] Got error: <urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x70c92590a0>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable
[download] Got error: <urllib3.connection.HTTPSConnection object at 0x70c92590a0>: Failed to establish a new connection: [Errno 101] Network is unreachable. Check the URL or your connection.

Error

[tender river]

thats the way i implemented triple booting when i was evaluating nixos, guix and also had an arch install

[sage crag]

screw it im just gonna

[tender river]

grub can just jump to a different config file on a different partition

[sage crag]

put nix on one partition of a usb

and backup on the rest

i can do that i think

[tender river]

i dont even have a nix usb

[hollow spruce]

Show ure command

[sage crag]

my other issue with ventoy is it completely obliterates the disk permissions of all the files you put on there

since you know, exfat

apparently not, ive just been suffering for no reason

[hollow spruce]

WAIT I WILL INSTALL ARCH
SIMPLE OR
MANUAL
SIMPLE: ARCHINSTALL
MANUAL: /DEV/Fat32

[opaque wharf]

But you can have data partition after the ventoy no?

[sage crag]

its a waste of space

now wondering if i bother with ntfs or just go straight to ext4

[noble zodiac]

what is ventoy

[opaque wharf]

Why would you want ntfs

[sage crag]

multiboot usb thingy

[tender river]

multiboot solution

[sage crag]

windows

[noble zodiac]

huh?

[true hemlock]

got this hdd for like $18

[opaque wharf]

You still use the USB to transfer file often?

[sage crag]

that is entirely not the point

[sage crag]

https://github.com/bobranten/Ext4Fsd
something like this exists, i will use ext4

[warped narwhal]

I've upgraded from a 5800x3d to a 5950x, compile times will be 15 seconds shorter now

[true hemlock]

damn double core count

[warped narwhal]

And faster cores too (over clocking as well)

[tender river]

theres also winbtrfs

[sage crag]

yeah

[tender river]

and even an experimental bootloader to boot windows off btrfs

so cursed

[true hemlock]

yeah 5950x ccds are binned better

[sage crag]

the page doesnt specify support for btrfs so im not going to touch it

[warped narwhal]

The 5800x3d also has a locked multiplier cause the cache couldn't handle it

[brisk halo]

I’m making an online scratch game that’s Forsaken but scratch. Yes I only know how to code on scratch that’s why I’m a superior being compared to you mortals.

[true hemlock]

x3d aren't so good for non gaming workloads

they're expensive too lol

5950x goes for under $270 now

[midnight sigil]

rich

[true hemlock]

nah, i hunt deals

[tender river]

basically, its a bootloader that offers a menu to load isos from a partition, supporting both linux and windows isos, even with extensions like provisioning with autounattend. used for easy multibooting, just throw your isos on the filesystem and ventoy will load them

[midnight sigil]

$18 is 3 full meals for me

[hard raptor]

Hey.. someone in another server said they bought the new macbook pro and that they missed the touch bar, and i remembered that someone shared a good looking external one here, however i cannot find such thing on google

[tender river]

sensel maybe?

[midnight sigil]

touchbar

[tender river]

or maybe this https://eniacelec.com/products/flexbar

[midnight sigil]

oh wow this seems cool

it looks doom-able

and bad apple-able

[hard raptor]

I think that was it yeah

[noble zodiac]

should have put the usb on the bottom apple style

smh

[tender river]

apparently nix language doesnt support tabs in multiline strings

[opaque sigil]

[tender river]

i.e. with spaces

  ''
  abcd
  defg
  ''

is just

abcd
defg

but with tabs its something like

    abcd
    defg

its also not subject to change in the future for backwards compatibility reasons https://github.com/NixOS/nix/issues/3759

[opaque wharf]

Was looking at project thread and this reminds me of screeps

#1337582664412299286 message

[sage crag]

its so over

cant use nix

[tender river]

it seems people write manual helper functions to work around that

[opaque wharf]

You're team tabs?

[tender river]

but autoformatters cant be configured with tab support

at least nixpkgs-fmt i think

some other might be

theres like 3 of them

[tender river]

she is, uses them in rust and just about everywhere

i personally am team "whatever the language's standard is"

team 1984

[opaque wharf]

Now I know 2 person that has strong opinion on formatting at #programming

[tender river]

force everyone to do the same thing

[opaque wharf]

Sam with the bracket and konii with the tabs

[sage crag]

tabs are not mental illness

this
{
    is
}

[tender river]

i use this bracket style in c#

[sage crag]

wrong

not anymore

[tender river]

true because i dont want to write another line of c# in my life

[sage crag]

schizo

[rigid snow]

i mean is preferring tabs necessarily a strong opinion

i get it’s 2025

[tender river]

i wouldnt call it a strong opinion, but i would call reconfiguring everything to use tabs and not using ecosystem-standard formatters that dont have the option of using tabs a strong opinion

[rigid snow]

strongly enforcing your opinion

[opaque wharf]

My only gripe with formatting is the many toolings around it

Like, why can't a language have just 1 formatter

[tender river]

often they do

[opaque sigil]

Most modern ones do

[tender river]

and if they dont its because the formatter was made too late

and the ecosystem is too split on how to do formatting

[sage crag]

hblang uses tabs

[tender river]

im fine with tabs

[rigid snow]

also tabs are based because they’re one character and you can configure your editor for them to be as much wide as you want

also your source files are less in size

[opaque wharf]

Not this again

[rigid snow]

i don’t use tabs btw

i like my 4 spaces

[sage crag]

i still think this is a stupid argument

[opaque wharf]

2

Take it or leave it

[tender river]

im fine with tabs i just think uniformity >>>> particular syntax preference

[rigid snow]

4

[sage crag]

you save 3 bytes per indentation on 4-spaces-per-indent

wow

[tender river]

3 bytes

[desert plaza]

yall indent?

[opaque wharf]

2 space means more compact code

[tender river]

not all languages need it

some languages have lots of nested structures (nix, lisp) and need compact identation

[rigid snow]

less in size than 4

[tender river]

some languages would rather discourage nesting, like in C its fine to use 4 or even 8 spaces

[opaque wharf]

I'm still fine with 4, but 8 is pushing it a bit too far

[sage crag]

8 is intentional

[opaque wharf]

Yes I know

[sage crag]

its to prevent you from indent spamming

[opaque wharf]

To discourage nesting

[sage crag]

which while based

also screw you

[tender river]

yeah

[sage crag]

i will nest however much i please on a particular day and 8 spaces is not going to stop me

[tender river]

1000 character line width

ioccc winner

[opaque wharf]

So a minified js

[tender river]

no

984 of those are spaces

[sage crag]

just 1 indent

[opaque wharf]

Minified C

[sage crag]

?

no

[opaque wharf]

Can C even be minified?

[sage crag]

duh

[tender river]

not the preprocessor directives

but everything else can be a oneliner

preprocessor is optional anyway

just write all the headers from scratch mhm

[sage crag]

the code looks like this

int main() {
{\t}return 0;
}

middle line is 1000 chars long

:mhm:

[rough bloom]

apply preprocessor and minify after

[sage crag]

or use a language that doesnt have a godawful preprocessor

hblang

[tender river]

what do you mean, copy paste is all you need

[opaque wharf]

https://www.softintegration.com/

Ch is a C/C++ interpreter and scripting language environment. It is used by teachers, students, engineers and scientists around the world

[sage crag]

they forgot to add (unwillingly)

[tender river]

Č

compose key my beloved

[sage crag]

what even is the reason for this to exist

just compile it

[opaque wharf]

Don't ask me

[sage crag]

that's just c

[opaque wharf]

The most I need C to do is execute arbitrary math function

[tender river]

mhm

[sage crag]

i can write ch too, watch

#!/usr/bin/env sh
out=$(basename "$1")
gcc -o "$out" "$1"
$out

[opaque wharf]

"Oh we have this big project that needs script utilities. What language can we use to achieve it?"

"Why not use the same language as the codebase?"

BUT YOU HAVE THE COMPILER ANYWAY

[sage crag]

(said no one ever)

bwa

did you know it supports chromebook

fun fact, c also supports chromebook

c is also free for raspberry pi and ARM based computers such as orange pi

[opaque wharf]

I can see a use cases to extend some MCU program space. But even then, C is a bad language choice

[sage crag]

1. use c (normal)
2. use c (normal)
3. use (literally anything but) c (god)
4. use c (normal)
5. use c (emscripten)

[opaque wharf]

Say an MCU only have N KB of flash memory. You want the MCU to access external Nand chip and execute the program there. It's better to just make a bytecode interpreter instead of C

[sage crag]

does this entire project, which costs $59 a year, exist only to avoid calling cc one time

please

[tender river]

https://www.softintegration.com/support/faq/general.html

"look we made C with classes, minor extensions, and eval"

[sage crag]

diagram

what does it mean

Ch is C comptabile unix shell and it works in Windows/Linux/MacOSX/Unix. The shell features such as Foreach-loop, Here document, Verbatim output and variable substitution are supported. It can be used as a login shell in Unix/Linux/MacOSX.

[tender river]

i cant say i never want a c/c++ repl but theres igcc and clang-repl for that

[sage crag]

:mhm:

Foreach-loop, Here document, Verbatim output and variable substitution are supported.

[tender river]

here document is an actual thing but uh

i forgor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Here_document

so EOF in bash

[sage crag]

this language is obsolete due to the existence of languages actually designed for scripting

python is an infinitely better choice of language

[opaque wharf]

And this exists to evaluate math https://github.com/codeplea/tinyexpr

[tender river]

paragraph written in 1990 or something

[sage crag]

it was written at least after C99

[opaque sigil]

I went to google "rust scripts" and forgot there was a game too, oh well

[sage crag]

so actually 1999

very close

[tender river]

there is a way to write scripts in rust

[rare bramble]

🐥 🚬 searching for rust documentation, but you find rust documentation instead

[tender river]

rust compile times are a bit sad though so i wouldnt do it

[sage crag]

just turn off the borrow checker

[tender river]

mrustc

[opaque wharf]

Now something like THIS is the one which suited the use cases that I said before (interpreting program on non executable memory region)
https://github.com/rust-lang/miri

[opaque sigil]

i just vaguely remembered there being something

[tender river]

theres something like cargo script

[sage crag]

miri is not a rust interpreter

bwa

[opaque wharf]

I know

[sage crag]

bwa

[opaque sigil]

i do find it kind of funny how a lot of these languages are so complicated they need an IR for the IR

[tender river]

tiny bit unmaintained

theres forks though

[sage crag]

https://www.reddit.com/r/vibecoding/comments/1mo0j3p/never_touching_cursor_again/

[tender river]

https://github.com/fornwall/rust-script this looks maintained

[opaque sigil]

[rare bramble]

I dont really mind the rust compile time, I think that's a fairly reasonable tradeoff. So I just use it whenever I feel like I can't get away with Python

[tender river]

im so grateful to reddit admins for banning 3rd party clients

i never have to touch the site again

[sage crag]

it is a cesspool

[opaque sigil]

you know you messed up when you need incremental compilation to make things somewhat bearable

[sage crag]

i have it in my dns filter except for when i need to resolve a technical issue that no one else has

ok its time to reboot into iso

or is it

er

oh my vscode settings

[opaque sigil]

if only there was a way to keep them organised in a central place, maybe even version control them

[sage crag]

yyup im doing that™ when i move to nix

[tender river]

good luck hopefully painless, the worst that can happen is bootloader not getting properly installed, you'll figure it out

[sage crag]

i have installed linux more times than i am willing to count

so it should be fine

[opaque wharf]

Famous last word

[sage crag]

i forgot to update bios

who care about bios

[tender river]

cooking time if you have any questions i'll get back to you within up to 10 business days

[sage crag]

systemd on iso

im in the manual

[opaque wharf]

What are you cooking?

[sage crag]

why does fdisk say my disk is 680gb

its a 900gb disk

[tender river]

mung+rice+veggies

[opaque wharf]

Rice

You should try liwet rice if you have rice cooker

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasi_liwet

Rice cooker reminds me of someone asking why we have rice cooker but no pasta cooker

Bro, if you can't cook a pasta then you're cooked instead

[tender river]

chicken/eggs

[opaque wharf]

Nope. Not needed for liwet rice

[tender river]

also i'd imagine something like lemongrass is hard to get in siberia

[opaque wharf]

Ouch, yeah

[tender river]

i ate a lot of it in vietnam

but its not really accessible here

[opaque wharf]

That is one of the things that makes or breaks the liwet. Lemongrass and bay leaf provides the unique smell

[tender river]

we do use bay leaf quite commonly (dried of course)

[opaque wharf]

Ye, I learned from Boris that the baltic region food tends to use bay leaf

But I imagine the variety of ingredients is limited in cold cllimate, so spice and herbs is not always available 365 day a year

[tender river]

you can just buy spices in dried/powdered form all the time

ginger is also always available

veggies and fruits tend to be available all year round (if at all) but of course quality and price varies greatly through the year

currently tomatoes cost around $1 per kg but it can go up to $4 in winter

[opaque wharf]

Wow, thats quite expensive

You can also try to make peanut sauce / bumbu pecel. It's great for a lot of stuff

Bumbu pecel / bumbu kacang in ID

Look up kupat tahu. Its a tofu dish that uses the sauce

Something like this

[small anvil]

Looks yummy

[opaque wharf]

Very

Now I want some, damnit

[small anvil]

Got me wanting some too

[sage crag]

so

i set up btrfs subvolumes

setting up zswap rn

[opaque wharf]

Make it, it's easy enough

[opaque wharf]

Why choose btrfs btw?

[sage crag]

copy-on-write, disk compression, subvolumes, and disk snapshots

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, fair. I just don't see the need for COW or compression since I don't store that much data

I thought Evil stream is today

Welp, bime to sleep

[small anvil]

Sometimes I feel like creating my own file system from scratch and I mean like everything from scratch cause I guess it would be cool but I am not sure how many hours I would put into it but it definitely sounds like a cool project and I know I can do it

Smh

[olive sable]

[small anvil]

The quarrels of being a developer

[olive sable]

Motherfucker i booted into windows

It overwrote the boot priority

[small anvil]

Delete the windows partition

Easy

Gotta start thinking outside of the box fr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369709631756173372/1369709632121082047/NeuroIUH.gif

[olive sable]

i cant do that

[rigid snow]

didn’t they stop doing that in win10

[olive sable]

i didnt install linux on the m.2 drive but i am wondering if its worth moving it to there

[sage crag]

@tender river awawawa

[olive sable]

its not like sata is slow but it would be faster

[tender river]

for inspiration https://github.com/chayleaf/dotfiles/blob/master/system/devices/msi-delta-15-workstation.nix

[tender river]

awa

[small anvil]

How big is your m.2 drive?

[olive sable]

1TB

[sage crag]

im still fiddling with configuration.nix

[small anvil]

I recommend installing it on tjete

[sage crag]

any tips

[small anvil]

there*

[sage crag]

[small anvil]

Holy keyboard typo

[olive sable]

this mb does have a 2nd m.2 drive slot but i dont want to spend moneyt on that rn

[tender river]

you can just change your config later

[small anvil]

Thats fair

[tender river]

partitioning is the most static part of your system

like with arch its a good idea to start with something minimal that works and iterate later

[small anvil]

How big is the drive with linux on it right now?

[olive sable]

223GB

[sage crag]

i forgot you can nix-rebuild

[small anvil]

Ahh right, I guess it’ll be better for linux to be on that drive

Linux isn’t really disk heavy, unlike windows

Keep windows on the bigger disk for now

[olive sable]

[tender river]

right, do luks now if you want to have it

my only tip

also in my experience impermanence is a tiny bit annoying to setup if you dont do it right away but its still possible so whatever

[rough bloom]

easier to grow a partition than to shrink it

[sage crag]

no luks awa

[olive sable]

impermanence

[sage crag]

i do not know what that mean

[tender river]

mount / on tmpfs

[sage crag]

erf

[tender river]

bind mount the directories that you want to keep after rebootss

[small anvil]

I really wanna make my own file system when im back home xd

[sage crag]

vanor

u use nix

[olive sable]

hi vanor

[sage crag]

help

[safe path]

i no longer use nix

[small anvil]

hello vanor

[sage crag]

whyy

stop

[small anvil]

guh

[south needle]

at least the system runs fast then xD

[sage crag]

[safe path]

i like my system to break occasionally

[olive sable]

he already stopped, you should say start. start using nix

[sage crag]

why do i want to do that

[safe path]

makes life exciting

[small anvil]

based

speaking of i broke my system a week ago

[sage crag]

no vanor need to stop stopping using nix

[olive sable]

ah

[small anvil]

still figuring out how to salvage some of it xd

[tender river]

makes your system predictable

you know that your config is exactly what you get

rather than also having random files in /etc some software wrote

[sage crag]

i see

erm

how do i do that

i dont even have xserver yet

[safe path]

xserver

[sage crag]

i want wayland

xserver is just default on nix

[tender river]

since you dont use flakes its a bit annoying so feel free to skip, but if you want to look into https://github.com/nix-community/impermanence

[small anvil]

wayland for lyfe

[sage crag]

what is a flake

[safe path]

x11 is fineeeeee

(not really)

[sage crag]

x11 latency too high for osu

[tender river]

normally nix loads nixpkgs from a random path on your filesystem

[safe path]

skilled osu players account for latency in their minds

[small anvil]

i forgot about osu and x11

[tender river]

if you use flakes, it instead loads the version of nixpkgs specified in that flake

[rough bloom]

is it? surely if you enable Plasma you just get the Wayland version

[small anvil]

i felt like i was trying to predict the future

with every tap

not great

[sage crag]

i dont know

[sage crag]

do i want to do that

[tender river]

flakes are good but you can skip them for now if you want

[sage crag]

awawawa

[small anvil]

even with the native version it was still horrific

[tender river]

flakes make importing other people's code easier

[sage crag]

er

impermanence for

yes

mhm

flake

cool

[tender river]

mhm

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

if kerzgesagt says so it must be true. hail the mighty ballmers peak

[sage crag]

@native surge

[small anvil]

Dawg

[safe path]

im still waiting for rotation support on xdg-desktop-potal-hyprland

[sage crag]

im gonna be honest

[native surge]

True

[sage crag]

i have no clue what im looking at

[rough bloom]

looks like for Plasma you just set services.desktopManager.plasma6.enable = true; and you get both sessions?
I remember it being under services.xserver once which was confusing because half the options there had nothing to do with X11

[olive sable]

[tender river]

just add this flake.nix file near your configuration.nix (replace <hostname>)
boom you're using flakes

{
  inputs = {
    nixpkgs.url = "github:NixOS/nixpkgs/nixos-unstable";
  };

  outputs = { self, nixpkgs }:
    {
      nixosConfigurations.<hostname> = nixpkgs.lib.nixosSystem {
        system = "x86_64-linux";
        modules = [
          ./configuration.nix
        ];
      };
    };
}

[sage crag]

uhh

yoke

[native surge]

You code better with a bit of alc its true drink more always

[olive sable]

im a linux user, i see config file code

[tender river]

you will also have to tell nix to use flakes by passing --flake <path to flake directory> to nixos-install, probably

[olive sable]

what?

i understood the first part of the sentence but you kinda lost me at alc

[rough bloom]

that's a thing?
I thought you had to install first then rebuild with a flake
-# I will probably continue doing that because it's convenient

[rigid snow]

alc is short for alcohol chat

[safe path]

i can't find the issue on the thing for rotations

but essentially obs has rotation support while browsers do not

i forgor what does this and why but that's why i can't be on wayland yet

[olive sable]

can i have onedrive on linux?

[safe path]

with rsync anything is possible

[tender river]

rclone

[safe path]

on linux anything is possible (*with enough effort)

[olive sable]

but like, would it save to my actual onedrive?

[tender river]

if you get rsync working with onedrive you might get cops on your door

[olive sable]

oh

[safe path]

does rclone work better in this case

oh

[olive sable]

why tho?

[tender river]

rsync is essentially just fancy scp

[violet sand]

We don't tell the part in parenthesis to the people who are just new to Linux shhh