programming

[olive sable]

i think so

[sage crag]

he only looks like that for one season per year

all the other seasons he looks the same as the female

[opaque wharf]

Your drawing is unique Sam

[hushed lintel]

idk man, that sounds like he looks like that for a 1/4th of his life

[opaque wharf]

That is all I can say about it

[sage crag]

there's the spinner

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

wtf is that supposed to mean?

[hoary lion]

★彡 special 彡★

[olive sable]

i can accept critisism ab0ut the brackets

but that was a good drawing

[hoary lion]

next time try with a pen ig

[olive sable]

i odnt have one

[hushed lintel]

It's fine but also looks like you spent 5 to 30 minutes in ms paint

[sage crag]

some

[olive sable]

i wish it was 5 min

[sage crag]

draw yourself a better pfp

[olive sable]

uh

[sage crag]

though i didnt notice you changed it huh

[olive sable]

i odnt have an oc or anything

fine ill change it

[opaque wharf]

Then make it

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

ok but like, what?

[hushed lintel]

An onion with twenty faces

[opaque wharf]

You can be anything you want to be

[olive sable]

im not a furry or anything so my oc would jsut be.. a guy...

[opaque wharf]

Konii is a TV for example

[hushed lintel]

I myself enjoy the femboy aesthetic

But yes, I recommend an onion, with twenty faces

[olive sable]

while i can appreciate the sentiment of femboys, i do not wish to be perceived as one

[olive sable]

an onion?

[opaque wharf]

I've done my OC

[hoary lion]

sam

[olive sable]

me

[hoary lion]

who is that guy on your profile

[olive sable]

its the same guy as my other 2 pfp's

[hoary lion]

i still don't know who it is

[olive sable]

cid kagenou

the whole point is that he's a background character

[hoary lion]

okei

👍

[raw trout]

Based

[opaque wharf]

It's safe to use a mouse on ceramic floor right? As in, it shouldn't break anything as long as it could track

[olive sable]

probably

im not too familiar with ceramic floors

[opaque wharf]

It is the most common type of floor here

[dense cosmos]

CerberPeek

I have regained interest in programming

neuroWaveA

back to working on my evolution neural network

the current idea I have is to find generically useful neural networks in problem solving

and use them to construct larger and larger neural networks

So like, the smallest type of neural network would just be a classic neural network, and higher level networks would have their base elements be other networks

Hmm, I can have a data stucture to build and represent neural networks, and then I can evaluate that into an optimized network

I feel out of practice...

[olive sable]

ngl im getting a bit tired of it rn

the software side at least

[dense cosmos]

o7

I switched to making art when that happened

[hoary lion]

[dense cosmos]

-# now I'm switching back from art

[hoary lion]

we all have times when things get boring

[olive sable]

i very much enjoy writing shader

debugging graphics api weirdness less so

[opaque wharf]

Nooooo, how will the game engine finish then

What is the weirdness?

[olive sable]

it willg et finished

probably

at the very least i want to finisht his game

[opaque wharf]

Yes we have several standard of those (NN format)

[olive sable]

but it just hasnt been going that quickly lately

[opaque wharf]

What is the problem that you're currently facing? Maybe stop refactoring for a while

[olive sable]

there's not really a problem

just a shame that webgpu didnt work

[opaque wharf]

I just hop onto mobile where I can see profile picture and my god, my picture is goofy af

[dense cosmos]

Hehe

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's a newer API so support is still experimental on some places

[bitter coral]

I figured out how to properly export my art program

I wasn’t aware I needed to use “user//“ to keep persistent data. So it took a bit to find that out via googling.

[bitter coral]

Does this also mean that if I save the images separately under “res//“ that they become new files outside of the project?

I’m done for today so I won’t be able to test this but I think it would work.

[rigid snow]

computed has a pfp

so cursed

[hoary lion]

I had a very refreshing experience but I don't want to explain the details

[opaque sigil]

It's okay to just say you had a glass of water

[midnight sigil]

[hoary lion]

[opaque sigil]

[opaque sigil]

https://github.com/ziglang/zig/pull/24536 huh so apparently this is a thing too now (also what a power move to drop this without a description)

[dusky jackal]

I feel like being an artist and a programmer are two different ways of looking at the world that are very different but compliment eachother, both are different ways of thinking and seeing problems, although I'm not a programmer so idk really.

[dense cosmos]

you're not wrong, I've noticed that I'm terrible at art when I approach it with the same mindset I do when I program

[bitter coral]

Yeah the reason I’m making an art program is because I want to turn my struggling with drawing into my struggling with programming because I enjoy that one a bit more, also so that I can improve a bit at both.

[hoary lion]

a tiny bug is at my room

and i missed it

where is it

I am not going to sleep with any bug

regardless of its size

[sage ibex]

hmm I had a api question, if neuro sends an action, I want to confirm the action result to let her know the action was received? if the action takes some time, I unregister it to prevent her from taking the action again?

[rare bramble]

it's in your walls, it's under your bed, it's rapidly approaching you, it's too late now....

[hoary lion]

it was on my monitor

i should have just crushed it

[signal stratus]

Try sleeping with the knowledge of knowing there is a centipede and some big bug that flies

[hoary lion]

come on it is a tiny fly

[sage ibex]

I see that the result message can be silent, but I guess a more fundamental question would be, neuro won't be able to anticipate future actions until presented with them.

[hoary lion]

yall making me seriously uncomfortable

[sage ibex]

I saw a wicked house centipede the other day but hes under the fridge so not much I can do

[hoary lion]

at least it doesn't fly

[signal stratus]

I had a centipede run up my legs

[hoary lion]

see i feel now imaginary crawling

[sage ibex]

oh yeah they'll do that

[signal stratus]

I flip out

[sage ibex]

I'd get high and experience phantom touching of bugs all the time

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894865038895091743/1401376224630149280/12907412_142ca.gif

this tbh

my status rn

[signal stratus]

I like how I just popped into this convo

But this is what I do

[hoary lion]

programming

dont you love having 11 warnings of pwned passwords on chrome

[signal stratus]

Nuh uh

[hoary lion]

see here is the funny thing

all of them have 2fa

and not a single account was touched

for 1 and a half years

like bruh

[signal stratus]

That’s wild

Holy moly

[hoary lion]

see imagine checking a password on haveibeenpwned

and fucking get indexed

[signal stratus]

My iPhone 6 uses so much battery just to run discord

[hoary lion]

but nobody actually tried it so

[signal stratus]

[rare bramble]

your account is so worthless that its not worth taking

[hoary lion]

false alarm at is finest

[sage ibex]

also is there a limit of actions that can be listed?

[hoary lion]

someone answer their question

i filled up too much chats

i dont think its mcp

i cant do anything here

[signal stratus]

I’m not a programmer

[hoary lion]

why are you here

[sage ibex]

its okay im just talking to the void

[signal stratus]

I am the void

[signal stratus]

Also because I like to pop in anywhere

[hoary lion]

hi void

[sage ibex]

I'm guessing vedal uses OBS?

[hoary lion]

doesn't everyone use obs

[signal stratus]

What’s OBS

[trim valve]

yep

[hoary lion]

the staus quo of streaming software, that's obs

[signal stratus]

That sounds pretty nice

[rare bramble]

vedal explained his cursed streaming setup one time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qwMzhNI0Ls

the clip is over 1.5 years old so it might be outdated

[faint sandal]

now throw obs-multi-rmtp in there too

[hoary lion]

mmm milking claude to extract only the modules i need

this is what vibe coding is meant to solve

[sage ibex]

probably hasn't changed it at all

[trim valve]

don't forget the subtitles plugin either :3

[rare bramble]

ye, wouldnt be surprised if it stayed largely the same, maybe some minor changes to try and reduce latency

[bitter coral]

Same though some guy in russia(at least that’s where the Ip was) logged into my steam account checked my badge profile saw I had nothing worth anything then left

[sage crag]

another day another shellcheck update

[bitter coral]

My password had been leaked for over five years at this point.

I still use that password in a lot of places

[rare bramble]

you probably should start using another password just in case...

[trim valve]

why do you tell people this

[sage crag]

this is a good question

[trim valve]

are you just asking to lose your shit at this point

[sage crag]

if you A: know your password is leaked
and B: talk about it on the public internet that is regularly scraped

you are just asking to have your identity stolen

[trim valve]

"ooh guys there's a key under my doormat"
"ooh guys I live at this address"
"I've only had one guy take some milk once"

[sage crag]

public discord servers are not group chats

[sage ibex]

steal this password: || ||

[sage crag]

people treat it like there isnt 100k people in here

[honest scaffold]

nono you people are alone here

keep posting your private info

[sage crag]

just72

[honest scaffold]

[bitter coral]

There’s only 119k it’s fine I will change my discord password though as it’s quite old but besides that some of things I have an account for I’d rather be taken if I’m honest.

[sage crag]

hello its me neuro sama please post the special numbers on the front and back of your credit card

:mhm:

YOU! THE SMALL!!!!

[bitter coral]

I’m in a second screenshot feelsStrongMan

[sage crag]

you are Featured™

[bitter coral]

It’s like that one and only time my name was on the Neuro stream

[balmy spindle]

anyone know what specs I need to run an AI similar to neuro, im planning to make a personal assistant of mine so i can manage my devices with automation

[sage crag]

bingo

[bitter coral]

Classic

[sage crag]

vedal's pc has a 4090 and 128+ gb of ram, presumably a new cpu

its unknown if neuro's model is run locally or on a server

[lapis wraith]

Latency

[balmy spindle]

likely locally

but a 4090 is a lot

might need me a job before i can dream of running one i guess

[sage crag]

a 4090 isnt much for llm inference and training

[balmy spindle]

is a 5070 decent for it tho

planning to get a ryzen 5 7600X and RTX 5070

[sage crag]

vram is king

[balmy spindle]

yeah thats a no then

[sage crag]

the 4090 has 24gb, the 5070 only has 12gb

[balmy spindle]

only 12 gb

yep

[sage crag]

remember you can only load a model as large as your vram and expect decent inference speed

[nocturne olive]

My guess is a local server with more than one GPU

[lapis wraith]

There's a mod of the 4090 that has 48GB of VRAM I don't know if it's less or more expensive than the normal version, but might be usefull to look into

[nocturne olive]

3090 is good enough to run everything a 4090 can ML wise, because they have the same amount of VRAM and nearly the same bandwidth

[sage crag]

i'd guess vedal probably does local inference on one or more gpus

for training we dont know and we likely never will

[nocturne olive]

Have you checked if used 4070 Ti super or something is cheaper?

The 5070 is nearly equal to the 4070

There was virtually no generational improvement

[uneven pulsar]

hey @nocturne olive rember what you said to me last day abouyt the token thing

[nocturne olive]

Don't give the token to the LLM context?

[uneven pulsar]

@client.event
async def is_allowed_user(user_id):
    if user_id.auther.id in MOD_IDS:
        return

[uneven pulsar]

i did

[nocturne olive]

And why is that?

That seems dumb

[uneven pulsar]

now if anyone tried to well use it only me

[uneven pulsar]

dude no

[sage crag]

there was an improvement in raster performance but its irrelevant for cuda workloads

[uneven pulsar]

if anyone joins my server anyone can use it and waste my tokens

[nocturne olive]

DON'T GIVE SENSITIVE INFO TO LLMS

[uneven pulsar]

i didnt

bruh

[nocturne olive]

A token is exactly that

So don't go giving LLMs access tokens

[sage crag]

an access token is more important than your password

dont give that stuff out

[uneven pulsar]

like my priavte data?

[honest scaffold]

yeah dont give it to llm

give it to me

[uneven pulsar]

the token i waste?

[honest scaffold]

[uneven pulsar]

sthu

[honest scaffold]

[sage crag]

dont give it to just71

give it to me

[honest scaffold]

dont give it to konii

konii bad

[nocturne olive]

Literally that, it completely bypasses any 2FA and other measures

[honest scaffold]

keeps decrementing me

[nocturne olive]

Giving anyone your token is essentially the same as giving them your account

[balmy spindle]

i dont know if anyone near me is selling a used 4070 ti super

likely no

[nocturne olive]

You should check, because 5070 itself is not any better than 4070

[balmy spindle]

huh

[nocturne olive]

Check prices of 4070 class cards compared to the 5070

[balmy spindle]

cheaper tho, no?

[nocturne olive]

No, the 40 series is usually cheaper

The 50 series in its entirety is a scam

[sage crag]

@true hemlock where do you get your cheap gpus from

[sage crag]

the other option is running a cluster of weaker gpus like an rtx 3060

[true hemlock]

buy broken and fix

[sage crag]

damn

[true hemlock]

(not recommended)

[sage crag]

how often is that just putting the gpu in the oven

[sage crag]

it has 12gb of vram but its compute is worse than a 4070, 4090, etc

[true hemlock]

less often than yeeting out one or two nanoferet caps

[sage crag]

how often do you end up wasting money

[true hemlock]

so far, not yet

[sage crag]

damn

[true hemlock]

gotta be selective with which part of a gpu is broken

[balmy spindle]

found one being sold for 325 usd

[sage crag]

lolll what a scam

[true hemlock]

terrible price

[balmy spindle]

rtx 4070 ti super

[sage crag]

it was cheaper new

[true hemlock]

huh

[balmy spindle]

lmao

[sage crag]

ah i thought you were talking about a 3060

my own 3060 was £200 when i bought it

[balmy spindle]

LOL

[sage crag]

when it was new though

[balmy spindle]

rtx 4070 ti super for 325, is that good

[sage crag]

dunno about newer gpu prices

[true hemlock]

if its not a scam, yeah a great deal

[sage crag]

seems decent, check if its used for mining

[balmy spindle]

Shadow 3x OC too

[true hemlock]

used for mining is better than used for intensive gaming btw

[sage crag]

i would have thought the opposite if the gaming was just using raster

though i suppose no games are just raster these days

[true hemlock]

hashing algorithm are (unsurprisingly) less aggressive and most miners often undervolt them for max profit

[sage crag]

have to question why its being sold though

[balmy spindle]

seller states it wasnt opened, was supposed to be used for gaming until the 50 series came out and he didnt notice

[sage crag]

if its been used for mining and is turning a profit there's no reason to sell it

[balmy spindle]

[true hemlock]

extra profit

[opaque sigil]

Again???

[sage crag]

your shell will be checked

make no mistake

[stark needle]

a 4090 is good for inference, while for training it's completely fricked

[balmy spindle]

idk why but they're also selling scooters and mopeds

[nocturne olive]

But is cheap

[sage crag]

i will take your word for it

[sage crag]

3060 is cheaper, would it not be better to buy two or more 3060s instead

[balmy spindle]

and a 4k 144 hz monitor for only 40 bucks?

what

[sage crag]

check the panel type

tn, ips, oled

[opaque sigil]

tn

[stark needle]

crt ahh tv

[sage crag]

crt would be more expensive

[uneven pulsar]

superbox

[balmy spindle]

theyre also selling a cement mixer wtf

[sage crag]

[stark needle]

oh well rip

[uneven pulsar]

i just added a filter to it

[sage crag]

i love lcd ghosting especially tn ghosting

[balmy spindle]

Its a Dell G3223Q

[uneven pulsar]

hello fellow person i rember you

[honest scaffold]

cement mixer?

[uneven pulsar]

ew dell

[honest scaffold]

[bitter coral]

Are we sure they didn’t rob a building?

[nocturne olive]

12GB x2 is actually not the same in ML as 24GB x1

[sage crag]

yes, i neglected that point, inference kinda requires that the model is all in one place right

[nocturne olive]

Also bandwidth

[balmy spindle]

idk theres a lot of random stuff being sold for ridiculously cheap

[sage crag]

https://www.pcworld.com/article/708573/dell-g3223q-monitor-review.html

[nocturne olive]

Training too, in training if you want to be efficient it has to be loaded on all GPUs
And for NS training B-3.0.1 basically required 17GB to load all that stuff

12GB x2 would not suffice

[opaque sigil]

Nah

[sage crag]

rip

[opaque sigil]

just do fsdp

[sage crag]

fully sharded data parallel

fake

[nocturne olive]

The bandwidth on a 3060 is also worse than that of the 3090, even with two combined

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/mejiro-mcqueen-spin-umamusume-anime-girl-cute-gif-26001972

[nocturne olive]

I also just would not have the lanes for 2x 2060 + 4070Ti

Nor space

[sage crag]

just get a dedicated motherboard for clustered compute

[opaque sigil]

Nothing some risers can't fix

[sage crag]

it will be cheap

[opaque sigil]

It's fine just run at pcie 3x1

[sage crag]

mm bandwidth

1 flop

awa

[nocturne olive]

Either way, my 3090 for 500e is only 100e more expensive than double 3060, doesn't need more infra, and is more efficient

[balmy spindle]

chat, 12 gb vram good enough or no

i could design it to be more efficient with using resources

[nocturne olive]

For what? Also 4070 Ti super has 16GB if you're looking at that

Is also faster than 5070

[sage crag]

they want to run a local llm for automation

specifically though, they wanted something similar in spec to vedal, which was already ruled out

[nocturne olive]

For automation? For that a small 8B model should be enough

[stark needle]

for automation yea 8b is good enough

4b models are even good these days

e,g, qwen 3

[nocturne olive]

I have actually yet to try any LLM on my 3090

I don't even know what would be something good that it could run

[uneven pulsar]

guys

how do i allow the bot to kick users

and i added a filter for it

[nocturne olive]

If you mean via the LLM, you're gonna need to implement tool calls

[uneven pulsar]

i see

i added my user id only me can ping and use the llm

also added a filter for it

plus there no way i would share sensitive data for it

[rigid snow]

11? that’s it?

guys dw they’re all websites i don’t use

[violet sand]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

Meanwhile there is me who doesn't even repeat his email across different sites

[violet sand]

I also appreciate how you have 169 warnings from a password manager, meaning you have went out of your way to repeat the passwords

[rigid snow]

it’s imported

it’s like 15 years worth of them

[violet sand]

Ohh okay that makes it slightly better

[opaque sigil]

I had a ton of warnings too and just ended up ignoring them so now it's at 0

[violet sand]

There is a security valnurabilty in the code base only if you look at it. If you don't the code is safe.

[rigid snow]

also i just realized repeated passwords, not necessarily compromised count as security warnings too

[desert plaza]

[violet sand]

Aaa, ya no I had some repeated passwords compromised in the past

[rigid snow]

as i said all websites i do not use

most of them don’t even exist

[desert plaza]

anymore, you mean?

[rigid snow]

yes

or local ips

[violet sand]

In fact they leaked multiple times lmao
(Old stuff, nowadays I don't even use this email)

[rigid snow]

incredible

[desert plaza]

69 logins

someone stopped logging in to your account after the 69th time

[rigid snow]

wanted to send an example but it blanks out the password in screenshots

[desert plaza]

repeating passwords in a password manager

[rigid snow]

the password is literally 123, and most of them is just like this

[midnight sigil]

169

nice

[rigid snow]

imported from chrome that saved literally everything

and didn’t even have password generation for the longest time

[violet sand]

Weirdo, if I need to save a password for my local site, I overwrite the DNS on my router so I could save the password on a proper domain

[rigid snow]

it’s localhost

why would i do that

[desert plaza]

why would they not start with the password generation feature

[rigid snow]

because autofill is the feature

not password management

[rigid snow]

or was the feature ig

[jagged turtle]

oh no

my local application will be accessed!!

[violet sand]

I do it so I could have passwords from different projects, under different domains, so I wouldn't have to search for the correct one coresponding to the project I'm working on at the moment

[desert plaza]

just delete all the old entries already

[violet sand]

Ya 90% of my local dev env. are under the same pin as the one I use to login in to my computer

[rigid snow]

i don’t care enough

[desert plaza]

you like the 169 warnings don't you

[rigid snow]

i don’t see them unless i open the manager

which i don’t unless i need an otp but then i go straight to the otps

[jagged turtle]

bro, on a phone, if my warnings go over 100, I ain't doing anything to lower that number, unless they implement something better somehow

[rigid snow]

it’s icloud passwords i could do it from a computer

[jagged turtle]

right

I forgot you can do that too

my computer's fan is overworking rn lmao

[violet sand]

Relatable, I only recently started to unsubscribe from spam on my email, when this feature got rolled out

[desert plaza]

y'know, if you don't delete all the old ones, how will you notice a real warning for a really important account

[violet sand]

Imagine unsubscribing with one button without being redirected and forced to login on to a site that u don't even remember when you signed up for

[rigid snow]

by actually getting hacked

[sage crag]

@open copper @cobalt vessel kill

awa

in all the other channels too

bwaaa

@fair cipher destroy them

[opaque wharf]

Why is all the mod asleep or on dnd now of all time

[sage crag]

i dont want to ping too many people its rude

[fair cipher]

im here

[opaque wharf]

Thanks

[sage crag]

temmie they are in all the other chat channels too

thank you

[fair cipher]

i know

[desert plaza]

computed has a pfp

[sage crag]

nyo

fake

[rigid snow]

ikr

[opaque sigil]

You can sign up to be notified by mail

[desert plaza]

mlnt won't even delete 15 year old password entries

don't think that's happening

[opaque sigil]

Sounds like effort

[desert plaza]

effort

[jagged turtle]

[jagged turtle]

did I miss something

[sage crag]

not anymore

[opaque sigil]

The usual

[opaque wharf]

I still have very old entry on my password manager

I think I can use that to see which service I need to cleanup

[jagged turtle]

ah

[opaque sigil]

Sometimes when I'm bored I like to click on super old pw entries to see if any of them are still alive

Most of them are not

[desert plaza]

i just use keepassxc, i don't get breach notifs

i also have two different versions of my kdbx on a dual boot system

one on linux, one on windows

some entries are not shared

[opaque wharf]

Btw, if anyone wanted to use the same profile picture, you're all welcome to do so. It is CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[desert plaza]

um ok

[desert plaza]

i should probably have a local password server or sth

instead of copying the password file between systems

[opaque wharf]

Syncthing

[rough bloom]

#programming has determined that you are a train affiliated with the KDE project
(real)

[desert plaza]

watch all of #programming become computed clones

[violet sand]

I wanted to do that, and then 0.1 seconds after having that idea I regreted my life choices, and just ended up buying a lifetime subscription to proton pass

The idea of hosting my password manager on a redundent array of smart light bulbs is still in the back of my mind tho.

[jagged turtle]

f-

[opaque sigil]

They sell "lifetime" licenses?

[opaque wharf]

See, this is one of those idea that you should take it out of the back of your mind and into the front

[violet sand]

They were selling it on black friday once as a promo for $200

[opaque sigil]

Oh damn

[violet sand]

The issue is that I already got the lifetime licence on a password manager that at least in my opinion is one of the best out there

I was sold by the fact that they let me store SSH keys, as there own objects

[opaque sigil]

I like using 1pw as my ssh-agent, it makes me happi

[opaque wharf]

Isn't that supported by every other pw manager too?

Bitwarden and keepassxc supports both

[violet sand]

Ya, I pulled the trigger cuz they also bundled it with there service for creating temporary emails.

[violet sand]

1password is funnily enough the only password manager I haven't tried

[opaque sigil]

No but bitwarden added support for it recently too thankfully

And I guess keepassxc has support for it too kinda

[violet sand]

Ohh okay I was about to write that I don't remember bitwarden having support for it

[opaque sigil]

It was in their early 2025 release iirc

[noble zodiac]

iono why but putting an ssh secret key in a password manager feels wrong

[desert plaza]

ssh keys are supposed to be encrypted anyway

the password manager would just make it easier to use?

[opaque sigil]

It does make it more convenient yes

[noble zodiac]

elaborate on that

[desert plaza]

i have ssh key pw in keepassxc, but not the key itself

[jagged turtle]

I forget that actual ssh agents exist

[opaque sigil]

Makes it more convenient to share across devices (doesn't matter if you're one of those that have separate keys for everything ofc)
Also the integrations that come with it like forms offering the ability to create a key real quick/get the public key or being able to unlock it using biometrics rather than having to use a password

I guess there's also the part where the default ssh agent doesn't ask for the pw every time the key is supposed to be used (correct me if I'm wrong) so that can be abused

Hmm looks like they have a mode for asking for confirmation every time you use the key

[violet sand]

Well the key is meant to be used as the secret aka a substituted to password

[desert plaza]

every time i push my git repos with ssh it doesn't ask for password

just once

[opaque sigil]

the pw for decrypting the key

[violet sand]

Idk I have my key unencrypted by the time its on my computer

[faint sandal]

[opaque sigil]

[faint sandal]

do you guys not use a passphrase on your key file

[desert plaza]

who doesn't have encrypted ssh keys

[opaque sigil]

a lot of people

[desert plaza]

[opaque sigil]

But yeah, I guess a lot of the convenience comes from being able to swap out the passphrase for biometrics

[violet sand]

Technicly me.
They are encrypted in the backups and thats enough for me

[desert plaza]

how did you generate the key

[violet sand]

ssh-keygen -t ed25519

[opaque sigil]

One day I might throw the keys into my dotfiles but that day is not today

(encrypted obviously)

[violet sand]

D :
Didn't occure to me that u could do that.
I will now encrypt my keys and shove them in the dotfiles

[desert plaza]

ssh keys are typically just text after all

[opaque sigil]

chezmoi makes it pretty convenient with age, that's how I put some fonts in there too

[violet sand]

Ya I just never bothered to add encryption on top of them

Cuz like

[desert plaza]

even if it's encrypted, it's represented in base64

[violet sand]

"If someone steals my pc I can just revoke them"

[desert plaza]

when keygen

[desert plaza]

bad opsec

[violet sand]

Well in my defense I don't have a laptop, so if my PC ever gets stolen I doubt those people will pull my ssh keys before I revoke them if ever.

[desert plaza]

and if your machine gets accessed remotely

[violet sand]

I don't have tat enabled

[desert plaza]

i mean if you get hacked bro

info stealer or sth

[violet sand]

I use Linux
(and install everything from official sources)

[desert plaza]

what distro

[violet sand]

NixOS

[desert plaza]

so nixpkgs has no malware

mhm

i use nixos too atm

[desert plaza]

what if you get phished though

[violet sand]

In that case thats my issue.
Also I don't think that I'm dumb enough to leak private SSH keys from a phishing attack

[desert plaza]

yeah but if someone tricks you into running an info stealer or sth

[violet sand]

Ya my problem at that point

Correction: problem for the future me

[desert plaza]

y'know, just encrypt your keys bro

[violet sand]

no

(Whenever I will have time)

I kinda wanna shove them in my dotfiles now that I know I can do that

[desert plaza]

you didn't know that before?

[violet sand]

Never occured to me that I can put them in the dotfiles if they are encrypted

[desert plaza]

why

[violet sand]

Just never crossed my head when I was making the dotfiles, as before that they were unencrypted already

[opaque sigil]

https://isanybodyusingthisprivatekey.com/

[desert plaza]

waht is dat

[violet sand]

IPv6 ready

TLS encrypted

[desert plaza]

fair enough, but you really didn't put in anything as a password when you keygen?

[violet sand]

Yes I did not

[desert plaza]

you couldn't possibly use that key for something important

[violet sand]

full access to my github account

[desert plaza]

bro wtf

[opaque sigil]

Does ssh-keygen prompt you for a pw by default I honestly don't remember

[violet sand]

Alr I'm joking that one is not stored locally on my PC

[desert plaza]

yes

[opaque sigil]

Nice

[violet sand]

Its for my home server that you can only SSH into if you are on the local network

[desert plaza]

ah that makes more sense

[violet sand]

ya the github one was also generated unecrypted but its behind the pin on a password manager that encryptes it on the backend

[desert plaza]

you have a password manager

and

[opaque wharf]

Add more PAM

So you can have more options for authentication

[desert plaza]

you don't use it for the ssh password

[violet sand]

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/pepew-gif-46103354907324314

[noble zodiac]

actually crazy

[uneven pulsar]

my bot stopped working again

like how do i make the bot recognize me

[cobalt sigil]

guys check out my super epic YouTube app

[desert plaza]

uhh, did Ekness get hacked

i swear this was ekness

[opaque wharf]

It still shows as Ekness on my end?

[desert plaza]

not on mine

[uneven pulsar]

the owner left his acc

[desert plaza]

...

[opaque wharf]

It does however, change on the next message

[uneven pulsar]

he said he kinda got tired of the gen chat and I think i am leaving this server lol

[rigid snow]

i’m too lazy to check, is account sharing a discord tos violation

[uneven pulsar]

he literally left his acc to me

[desert plaza]

do you believe this story??

[uneven pulsar]

i am a relative

[rigid snow]

no but i’ll play along

[desert plaza]

Ekness must have leaked his discord token or sth

[uneven pulsar]

It won’t affect you tbh

[rigid snow]

what

[uneven pulsar]

no i am his relative

[stray dragon]

ekness got hacked? he's going to scam us?

[uneven pulsar]

bro i am leaving this server he was right

Idk wtf did he do but i am leaving

[rigid snow]

mrbeast crypto gambling infinite bonus credits

[stray dragon]

yooooo

[uneven pulsar]

no

i am leaving his server

[stray dragon]

@uneven pulsar send us the scam please

[uneven pulsar]

bro you want to ask him?

[desert plaza]

don't give him ideas

[uneven pulsar]

NO

BRO YALL WIERD

[stray dragon]

but you got hacked you're SUPPOSED to send a scam

that's what hacked accounts DO

[uneven pulsar]

HE DIDN’T

[stray dragon]

proof?

[uneven pulsar]

I am just going to leave the server

[uneven pulsar]

Ok

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[uneven pulsar]

here

i even have his WhatsApp number we relatives

can I leave?

[desert plaza]

no

u can't leave

[uneven pulsar]

Like he told been joking about gen chat and laughing

[honest scaffold]

why is ekness changing names now

💔

you arent toad bruv

[desert plaza]

bro got hacked

[uneven pulsar]

bro

[sage crag]

just70

[uneven pulsar]

I didn’t

[honest scaffold]

[uneven pulsar]

didn’t you see what he sent me

[honest scaffold]

everytime i step into #programming

[sage crag]

you didnt? so you are ekness?

[honest scaffold]

i get decremented

[uneven pulsar]

@sage crag

[sage crag]

who

[tight tinsel]

epic ping fail

[uneven pulsar]

he just texted me and just said he really wanted to leave his acc

[sage crag]

why not delete it

[honest scaffold]

bro there is no way i will believe you after you failed to change your persona once

[desert plaza]

we need koniot to sort this out

[uneven pulsar]

idk he said he still have jarvis on it

[honest scaffold]

just create new acc at this point

[uneven pulsar]

ok

[sage crag]

its discord

[uneven pulsar]

yeah you’re right

he just make a new dw

[sage crag]

your text mannerisms are the same

[honest scaffold]

they are relatives

[uneven pulsar]

i suppose you’re right

[honest scaffold]

twins

clones mabe

[sage crag]

perhaps even sharing a body

[tight tinsel]

typing style determined by genetics???

[honest scaffold]

[uneven pulsar]

stop mocking me please

[uneven pulsar]

He sure fucked up aloof

[bold harness]

Check your DM

[uneven pulsar]

uh

Ok?

idk who is she

[sage crag]

i have a question

why dont you have your own account

[honest scaffold]

💔 this is so fucked up

[uneven pulsar]

I don’t use discord

[honest scaffold]

you asked this person to draw and art for you(for free)

[uneven pulsar]

He did?

[desert plaza]

he says, on discord

[honest scaffold]

and now to pretend you are not ekness you are doing this shit

[tender river]

[honest scaffold]

[uneven pulsar]

I am serious

[honest scaffold]

hi serious

im just89

[tight tinsel]

free stuff?? online??

[sage crag]

hileaf

[stray dragon]

didn't you say 3 times that you were leaving the server

me when i lie

[desert plaza]

i said he can't leave

[stray dragon]

damn ok

[sage crag]

no its true, it says join date 12th august

nvm

chat

i cant read

[desert plaza]

-failure

[sage crag]

reading is hard

[stray dragon]

konii

[uneven pulsar]

yeah bye lol

[sage crag]

apr ≈ aug

[stray dragon]

that's embarassing tbh

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

i do this all the time t

bwabwabwa

• its the 12th

-#

[rigid snow]

wtf is going on

[sage crag]

uhh

[desert plaza]

uhh

[stray dragon]

programming

[sage crag]

cloning machine

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

catUuh

[desert plaza]

[stray dragon]

[sage crag]

great emoji

[tender river]

hi konii

[sage crag]

thats me

[rigid snow]

big nub

[opaque wharf]

Why enub is not as big tho

Slander against evil as usual smh

[rigid snow]

konii HATES evil

[sage crag]

its funny because

[opaque wharf]

Then gib big enub

[sage crag]

benub**

[midnight sigil]

enub

[opaque wharf]

That is smaller than bnub

Just look at that size difference

[midnight sigil]

compact mode eww

[opaque wharf]

I use compact mode on desktop and normal on mobile

[cobalt sigil]

hi programming

did someone got hacked

[midnight sigil]

who's programming here

I don't recall a guy called programming

[midnight sigil]

perhaps

[opaque wharf]

Also I don't think anyone is currently doing any programming

[midnight sigil]

it was confusing

[cobalt sigil]

I sometimes wonder why this channel isn't called tech

[sage crag]

no just some guy whos rebranding

[desert plaza]

does he do that a lot?

[cobalt sigil]

or did he just seel his account

sell

[sage crag]

concentration of queers is too high so it averages to programming

[sage crag]

according to @honest scaffold

[honest scaffold]

he did it today because we talked about cybersec in gen chat i think, failed miserably(forgot about linked accounts in his profile), then changed name again and went here

and you all seen what happened here

he left the server btw

i think we bullied him

[opaque wharf]

Wtf

[sage crag]

[cobalt sigil]

yo wtf

[desert plaza]

wat..

[cobalt sigil]

did u mean cyber security

[honest scaffold]

ekness

[honest scaffold]

yes

[cobalt sigil]

bro type the whole fucking word
don't be lazy

[sage crag]

wasnt that the guy who kept yelling about how fighting games were the hardest to make

[sage crag]

its a common abbreviation

[opaque wharf]

Is it?

[cobalt sigil]

anyways that's not the most important point

[honest scaffold]

we were talking about it in gen and how your discord profile could be checked for some high risk jobs

[opaque wharf]

Oh it is lol

[honest scaffold]

idk why hi did what he did tho

brain worms won ig

[sage crag]

and the one who said asking gemini for help in coding isnt vibe coding

[desert plaza]

guys ekness didn't actually get hacked right?

[midnight sigil]

just say I don't have a discord

[sage crag]

i think he's just young tbh

[honest scaffold]

im pretty sure he didnt

[opaque wharf]

Nope

Most likely no

[cobalt sigil]

I'm not applying for apple or NASA so therefore I'm fine I guess (?

[sage crag]

given circumstantial evidence we can say no

[honest scaffold]

he was saying he is 23 once

[sage crag]

right

[honest scaffold]

im not believing that

he is 15 at most

[sage crag]

well, lets not speculate on someone's age

[cobalt sigil]

or maybe a duel personality?

[honest scaffold]

you never know...

[honest scaffold]

[opaque wharf]

What about vedal?

[cobalt sigil]

I won't go into deeper then this

[sage crag]

yes him too

[opaque wharf]

The personality dueling each other inside him mhmm

[desert plaza]

what is the circumstantial evidence?

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

its been said

[desert plaza]

[midnight sigil]

vedal is 54

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-disappointed-disappointed-pepe-tired-gif-1482602579291311529

[midnight sigil]

Source: "Trust me vro"

[rigid snow]

that’s objectively correct though

stop smearing the definition of vibecoding pls

[sage crag]

also the one who gave his access token to gemini

[honest scaffold]

[rigid snow]

it’s when you don’t look at the code at all, refer to karpathy tweet

[midnight sigil]

gpt4.1 > gemini

[sage crag]

it was more of the way he said it than what he said

[opaque wharf]

Jipity

[midnight sigil]

jipiti

[sage crag]

backread this

brainrot

[desert plaza]

erm can't find source, please provide

[rigid snow]

micro nano pico

[midnight sigil]

mito

https://tenor.com/view/osu-cursor-dance-jolo-gif-18175154

[sage crag]

vibe aim

[honest scaffold]

thats not mito

[midnight sigil]

it's olo

[sage crag]

mito doesnt spin

[midnight sigil]

mito snaps

[sage crag]

mito aims

awa

[midnight sigil]

spin-aiming

[honest scaffold]

#general-network message started here but he changed his name and pfp first time here #general-network message

[rigid snow]

the guy does like to talk about stuff he has 0 clue about as though he’s objectively right yeah

[sage crag]

thats not aiming, thats spin to win

its an advanced strategy

[honest scaffold]

yeah i got that vibe from him too

[rigid snow]

my favorite of his is about java “stealing” from js

[worldly plank]

What happened?

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/osu-yume-nikki-madotsuki-spin-madotsuki-spin-gif-24355971

[honest scaffold]

[rigid snow]

idk

[midnight sigil]

how do I learn

I need aim

[sage crag]

spin to win isnt aim

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

play dtrx for a week

[midnight sigil]

I need spin

[sage crag]

you will learn spin to win

[midnight sigil]

will I forget how to tap

[honest scaffold]

welcome to #osu 2

[sage crag]

yuh

[midnight sigil]

oh nuuu

no worries I'll make my own rx with Java 23

[honest scaffold]

elvyn

[sage crag]

i caught yoy

small

[honest scaffold]

who is elvyn btw

[sage crag]

she the small

[honest scaffold]

why she small

[midnight sigil]

oh wait they have 24 now

[sage crag]

look at her and confirm she is the small

[midnight sigil]

java is now ahead of c++

[rigid snow]

always was

[midnight sigil]

in terms of version number iterations

[sage crag]

@umbral thorn

[honest scaffold]

[sage crag]

she doesnt respond often

presumably because im very annoying

[midnight sigil]

lurkers doesn't have keyboards

[rigid snow]

programnig

[midnight sigil]

[honest scaffold]

hi very annoying

[sage crag]

she does

[midnight sigil]

they stare monitors til death

[sage crag]

jus69

you lost a letter

[midnight sigil]

perhaps not now

[honest scaffold]

i lost the t

hi t

nice number tho

[stray dragon]

hi just

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[stray dragon]

more like just9

[sage crag]

only 60 more decrements to go

[honest scaffold]

i have letter t back

but no 6

[honest scaffold]

[stray dragon]

what 6

you never had a 6

[honest scaffold]

number 6

[sage crag]

is decremented

was 89, now we are at 69, soon it will be 68

[stray dragon]

where is the 6

[midnight sigil]

a mixture of java and rust 1.90.0

[sage crag]

its in there

[opaque wharf]

I gotchu

[tender river]

no

[stray dragon]

HOLY

i see it now

thank you

[tender river]

89 is a natural number thats defined as the successor of 88, hence it contains 88 within itself, and 88 contains 87

[sage crag]

68ʇsnſ

[sage crag]

Suc(Suc(Suc(....

[stray dragon]

"soon it will be 68" sooner than you thought

[sage crag]

[stray dragon]

that's a lot of suc

[midnight sigil]

mods force change his name now

[sage crag]

89 of them to be exact

[opaque wharf]

So starting from 0?

[sage crag]

starting from zero yes

[stray dragon]

but what about before 0

[opaque wharf]

Negate?

[stray dragon]

or is it unsigned

[sage crag]

undefined under this definition as we only defined naturals

[midnight sigil]

I believe the correct notation is '

[honest scaffold]

australian Just89

[sage crag]

its flexible

[opaque wharf]

Do naturals contain 0?

[sage crag]

yes under this definition

[sage crag]

snsǝN

[midnight sigil]

are we talking about the peanos axioms

[honest scaffold]

@native surge

[sage crag]

vaguely, nothing formal though.

[opaque wharf]

Nope. It's just that sometimes 0 is included as Natural number and other times it doesn't

[sage crag]

i wrote a purely type based implementation of peano's axioms in hblang

[sage crag]

you are leaf

[midnight sigil]

I mean, 0 can be replaced as 1, and numbers become successors of 1 instead of 0

[native surge]

[sage crag]

thus t(chayleaf) = 1

[native surge]

nerd

[midnight sigil]

@native surge

[sage crag]

yes, 0 is an arbitrary starting point

however, having a number system without zero is very stupid

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/kangaroo-australia-gif-5569301945329905539

[sage crag]

because you have no additive identity

[opaque wharf]

Neutral element

[desert plaza]

oh ok, i see

[honest scaffold]

truly

[midnight sigil]

can be changed to other symbols no?

[sage crag]

a + b = a, what is b?

[desert plaza]

21

[opaque sigil]

Group theory

[sage crag]

abelieejenens

wat is a ring

[midnight sigil]

a non-natural number that comes before 1

[opaque wharf]

Let 1 = 5

[sage crag]

and this is why its stupid to not include 0 in a number system

[opaque sigil]

A ring is a group that does addition and multiplication iirc

[midnight sigil]

let's roll back to 1000BC

[sage crag]

Natural + NonNatural = Natural

[opaque wharf]

Field?

[midnight sigil]

a + b = a is meaningless chat

[sage crag]

identity is very important for uh

[midnight sigil]

we deny the exist of this equation

[sage crag]

some reason

or other

[tender river]

b is the right identity of the operation +

[ancient hatch]

∈ℕ₀?

[opaque wharf]

Honestly I sometimes forget what is Group, Ring, and Field

[sage crag]

shtop

mhm b = e

[desert plaza]

grf

[midnight sigil]

yuh

[sage crag]

its the sound category theorists make when you ask them what a ring is

[opaque sigil]

I passed the exam where these things are relevant I'm good

[tender river]

identity is at least important for inductive proofs because without identity you can never reach the base case

[desert plaza]

how are you typing in two channels at the same thime

bime*

[sage crag]

discord cdn slow

[midnight sigil]

konii is a tv

[tender river]

alt up

alt down

[silent slate]

Multitasking

[opaque wharf]

How are you able to see both

[desert plaza]

erm

[midnight sigil]

TV vs Human Compiler

[desert plaza]

can yall see me typing?

[midnight sigil]

ye

[desert plaza]

does it cut in and out or

[rigid snow]

computed back to no pfp

welp that didn’t last long

[desert plaza]

rip pfp

[midnight sigil]

wuh

[sage crag]

test

what