i can't justify a sata type ssd anymore and im mad about it
#programming
fast pagoda
i was really hoping theyd drop a lot in price
because of nvme
but nvme is just cheaper
it turns out
makes sense because of material cost and size ig
pulsar edge
omfg
why the hell
for some reason, even when run as admin, windows won't let 7zip access some files
fast pagoda
are they created BY windows or like residual linux bits that it gets confused on
pulsar edge
also, apparently ubuntu wsl has managed to create multiple files with the exact same name, which 7z hates
like it can't just skip over the duplicate files, it just fully errors out with no continue option
fast pagoda
what filesystem is this drive
pulsar edge
copying from ntfs
fast pagoda
if it's ntfs
yep
it's probably ownership
you could tar those dirs from wsl
before you 7z
so it doesnt have to run across them
7z never skips
it will just explode
pulsar edge
how is this possible
pulsar edge
also, I thought that wsl was in vhd
fast pagoda
windows cannot
pulsar edge
ik linux is case sensitive, but is ntfs not?
fast pagoda
nah you can happily cruise out of ws2 dirs
no it is not
windows (and ntfs) are case insensitive
and they are case preserving
if you open terminal there and just wsl in cli you'll be in wsl at that dir
you can just tar with that
pulsar edge
wish 7z would let me exclude stuff
fast pagoda
usually wsl will put the windows dirs as a virtual in /mnt
but the structure and files are fully usable
it can be a bit slow ive heard but i never had an issue
linux does not have a great affinity for ntfs
pulsar edge
wsl on ntfs is super slow
fast pagoda
yeah
i really didnt notice unless doing mass file ops tho
which i mean
you are
but
pulsar edge
wish 7z would let me exclude stuff
apparently this is possible from the CLI
fast pagoda
LMAO
looks like the last 9/10 of my batch jobs
just watching them do nothing
openai mad that they finished fast so just hits unload at the end to make me actually wait the 24hrs
fast pagoda
apparently this is possible from the CLI
fsutil file setCaseSensitiveInfo <path> enable
stark needle
i mean the gpu is in usage
fast pagoda
if it's case sensitive i think 7zip will ignore that it would usually consider it a dup because windows/ntfs no longer would have a problem
this is so sad
i looked at that
and was like
only 179gb of vram
....
fast pagoda
it really isnt
stark needle
for anything serious
fast pagoda
i mean i could put more ram i my pc rn
than that
wont be fast but
ive thought about it
Laptop suddenly have an identity crisis n
this will not do
i need the laptop to install random distros on every couple days
if i cant do that well
what's even the point of living
cobalt sigil
jagged turtle
someone was vibecoding over at discord
most definitely
dire turret
vibe coding is using ai to do the programming for you right?
fast pagoda
yeah
dire turret
alright sweet
jagged turtle
without looking at the changes, yea
fast pagoda
that screenshot is EXACTLY what you're gonna get if u tell copilot or something to just build a faq
and literally do not ever even resize it
dire turret
i see
ive been trying to learn c++ the past week after watching my buddy do it and heard it once through him in a vc
what other things are disgraceful or considered bad
fast pagoda
it's a meme and also term of derisionj
dire turret
say, why is it called vibecoding
fast pagoda
what other things are disgraceful or considered bad
it's just vibes
you jus vibing
not a care in the world
dire turret
ah okay
fast pagoda
i have found the main source of the perception are the people who literally have no idea wtf is even possibly going on in their codebase because they not only never even bothered to look, they probably CAN'T look because they dont know anything at all about programming in the first place
they just heard claude is good at brogramming and decided to try and make a AAA game or something goofy
and then people use it to make fun of themselves if they ever have claude or copilot or w/e just yolo a solution to something
10 mins for it to do a "quick fix" = 12 hours of fixing it after
jagged turtle
vibe coding is alright as long as it's not being put into a prod environment seriously
if you are vibe coding something that will actually be taken at least somewhat seriously then you're doing it wrong
fast pagoda
vibing is srs business
i am reminded of that guy who had never programmed before and used the firebase ai editor thing to build some generic search lead website or something
and then was bragging about it
and INSTANTLY got pwned
hoary lion
just check manually duh
fast pagoda
had a bunch of api keys out in the frontend and such
hoary lion
can't believe people just exist without revising code
fast pagoda
cant check manually if you dont know what you're looking at
fast pagoda
you think someone who can't bother to check it in the first place would turn around and bother to have it check itself
jagged turtle
you think someone who can't bother to check it in the first place would turn aro...
yes
hoary lion
yes
fast pagoda
why would they do that when it spit out perfect code the first time :^)
hoary lion
i do that
jagged turtle
had a bunch of api keys out in the frontend and such
how do you manage to do that 💀
fast pagoda
not checking lol
hoary lion
i vibe model w/ claude and verify if it is cutting off right gradients so
yeah skill issue for those who doesn't check
fast pagoda
that's the whole reason for the derision
it's just a skill issue dunning kruger that causes them to think it's going flawlessly and no issues
and it's actually a nightmare
they just dunno how to recognize it
hoary lion
oh yeah i remember one case too
what was it
so there was this one AI chat service made with vibe code™
and the endpoints could just be accessed
fast pagoda
hoary lion
also the DB could be accessed(read only, frankly)
jagged turtle
someone who doesn't know shit about programming shouldn't be operating SaaS bro
also "for now, I will stop sharing what I do publicly on X":
- X mentioned, shields up
- that's not the real problem
also, I found copilot's email, ig
I'm just gonna make all my CI runs use Copilot's email now
jagged turtle
Yeah
I decided to do a little funny (to me) and request a review from it
Actually ended up catching something I missed
fast pagoda
i like the code reviews lol
jagged turtle
(I copy-pasted too much and forgot to switch out functions)
fast pagoda
not having to ask someone to look at it with fresh eyes
they can sometimes come up with some catches
olive sable
Goodnight 
fast pagoda
gnight sam
bitter coral
I made the easy change for multi frame layer support. I'm still not sure how I'm going to do the ui to modify it, I was thinking a drop down but currently the total amount of frames gets generated by the highest frame that is in the layers so It would be weird to display the frames like that.
bitter coral
I added cut&paste because I got tired of not being able to drag things.
its a future me problem to figure out how to undo this action.
sage crag
waylannnddd
hoary lion
how much vibe coding is cobsidered as vibe coding
everything but there are ones who can actually vibe and ones who should be banned from vibing
midnight sigil
fast pagoda
waylannnddd
ive only tried about 40~ changes surely im nearly there
fast pagoda
wp_linux_drm_syncobj_surface_v1#35: error 4: explicit sync is used, but no acquire point is set```
at the end of the day this is the issue
opaque sigil
i'd honestly just switch terminals
fast pagoda
oh i have
sage crag
i'd honestly just switch terminals
konsole 
fast pagoda
i am just malding that it's a problem
opaque sigil
ew
sage crag
konsole is great
fast pagoda
i like konsole, it's never let me down , it does well on rendering too
opaque sigil
environment.plasma6.excludePackages = with pkgs.kdePackages; [
konsole
];
this is what i think of konsole
sage crag
its not super fast but its also got minimal latency
i dislike alacritty because it has no features
rough bloom
```[ 430592.524] {Display Queue} wl_display#1.error(wp_linux_drm_syncobj_surface...
NVIDIA proprietary drivers?
fast pagoda
open drivers
recent tho theyrelike 575
i swapped at one point to see if that would fix it
nope
sage crag
its not super fast but its also got minimal latency
plus i have it configured to not look so cluttered
rough bloom
open drivers
still uses the proprietary userspace components I think
they pretty famously have sync issues on Wayland so it would make sense 
fast pagoda
wezterm uses this smithay-client-toolkit which just straight up refuses to not try and use wp_linux_drm_syncobj_manager_v1 which winit doesnt support
sage crag
plus i have it configured to not look so cluttered
i also use ghostty but its got worse integration with kde
opaque sigil
that's one thing konsole has going for itself i guess
fast pagoda
konsole does well on rendering
sage crag
send me that script bwa
fast pagoda
i use it to test every terminal
kitty fails so does alacritty
where the hell did i put it hold on
sage crag
bwa
fast pagoda
yep here's ghostty
sage crag
i wonder why \e doesnt work
rough bloom
wezterm uses this `smithay-client-toolkit` which just straight up refuses to not...
does the __NV_DISABLE_EXPLICIT_SYNC=1 thing not work
would be kinda fucked up if not
fast pagoda
does the `__NV_DISABLE_EXPLICIT_SYNC=1` thing not work
would be kinda fucked up ...
if i force it to launch x11 it works fine
the env variables SHOULD work
but it ignores them
but not always
stark needle
fast pagoda
running message loop: error during event_q.dispatch protocol_error=Some(ProtocolError { code: 4, object_id: 39, object_interface: "wp_linux_drm_syncobj_surface_v1", message: "" }): Protocol error (os error 71)
heh heh
once again wezterm...
sage crag
lets abandon wayland and move to a new, more robust software 
isnt wayland like 14 years old
bwa
fast pagoda
xlibre time
sage crag
yeahh no
fast pagoda
yeah wayland is a spring chicken compared to xorg tho
sage crag
for sure
its funny xorg has existed since 1984
x11 since 1987, according to wikipedia
fast pagoda
i WANT to like wayland and use it but if i go back to i3wm on xorg and shit just works i am mad when i go to hyprland and it just explodes on launch
sage crag
price to pay for using nvidia
sage crag
honestly if your cpu integrated graphics are good enough just use them
sage crag
i dont even have a dgpu
rough bloom
x11 since 1987, according to wikipedia
since the 11 in X11 is a version
presumably X9 and X10 were a thing
sage crag
<:YEP:1144368368133095424> since the 11 in X11 is a version
presumably X9 and X1...
these are the only things i can find about x10
x9 has even less
fast pagoda
x11 came about pretty much the same way this xlibre thing that just happened di
did
i mean x11 is just the 11th version of the protocol
but the whole Xorg split from project athena
sage crag
x11 came about pretty much the same way this xlibre thing that just happened di
i cant see xlibre succeeding in the long term
fast pagoda
cuz of X consortium
it probably wont its just funny that the same thing happened again
sage crag
i expect x11 will continue to dominate
fast pagoda
you can have ya
xorg
xwin32
x386
xfree86
xdarwin
xming
xsgi
xsun
xgl
xephyr
xcb
xquartz
xwayland
how many has anyone ever heard of
2 of those
sage crag
i have heard of 10 of those in passing before, but only know of 4
rough bloom
these are the only things i can find about x10
yeah idk if it even had a proper name like X11 does
it seems like they went through 10 versions very quickly and just ended up sticking with X11
fast pagoda
well they stuck with x11 when they split from the corpo side
sage crag
yeah idk if it even had a proper name like X11 does
it seems like they went thro...
yes, they went from nothing to x11 in three years and then x11 remained mostly unchanged for another 39 years
sage crag
everything is designed to work with xterm
fast pagoda
cuz i finally got pacman to shut up and found the list of them again
rough bloom
yes, they went from nothing to x11 in three years and then x11 remained mostly u...
yeah, at least the core protocol was unchanged
they made it super flexible so that everything can be done with extensions 
fast pagoda
that's the problem with it tho
client/server & everything can mess with/observe everything
security oof
sage crag
wayland still does client/server
fast pagoda
yeah but in a "better" way that prevents the snoopin
they also freestyle like crazy and dont do things just because like
windows kinda does it
but that doesnt mean it's bad
rough bloom
security oof
yeah
though my biggest gripe by far with X11 is how they treat monitors
having multiple monitors is just not a concept in X11
sage crag
yeah but in a "better" way that prevents the snoopin
yes, with x11 anyone can get input
with wayland, the server sends inputs to the clients
sage crag
the same is also done with rendering. in x11, the clients draw straight to the screen, whereas in wayland, they are rendered into buffers and then the compositor puts those on the screen.
x11 is more of a suggestion than a compositor 
sage crag
fast pagoda
but yeah the opengl renderers for it like i think glx can
Xvfb is what you'd be looking for tho
apparently there's something called OSMesa for the mesa drivers that ive never heard of
OffScreenMesa
lol
renders right to a memory buffer bypassing the compositor and xserver itself
oh also this wayland wezterm thing
it's litearlly just
fractional scaling
if im at 1x or 2x etc it works normally
I'm just gonna become a Kali Linux live boot image only Chad
Laptop really likes Kali for some reason
Also I don't recommend 15 inch screen right along with a 32
It's a bit jarring
opaque sigil
They do have a pretty cool logo I'll give them that
fast pagoda
every time ive heard some form of turbo unhinged opinion on a distro that normally gets mostly... praise
it's a kali user
opaque sigil
Kali users are weird
fast pagoda
was reading some review of cachyOS as a distro and it was a positive piece up till the last few paragraphs
where they proceeded to assert that there is no usecase where cachyOS would be preferable to something REALLY good such as kali
and im sitting here like
the pen testing distro?
who has steam on kali linux
opaque sigil
who needs steam when you can be a sick hacker 
my favourite part of cachyOS is that you can get all the benefits without actually installing it
fast pagoda
i guess you could just use the kernel build thing to build yaself a nice cachy kernel and then go right back to whatever distro
just from the live cd
my kernel has in the name so i never forget
opaque sigil
i was more talking about the arch repos but i guess that works too
fast pagoda
oh yeah i mean their repos ARE great and i put them on every arch i hop around to even if not cachy
just nice to have a lot of that stuff from a source that isn't billybob69 - maintainer
especially with the recent RATs on the aur
i mentioned the ILoveCandy pacman hook thing where the progress bars are pacman eating the pellets
using voice mode
to like gemini or something
and it misheard me to think i was asking it to make that but spongebob ?
so i now have to install this at some point
#!/usr/bin/env bash
if command -v cowsay >/dev/null 2>&1; then
printf "Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?\n" | cowsay
else
cat <<'EOF'
[S] [P] [O] [N] [G] [E] [B] [O] [B] SquarePants!
EOF
fi
rigid snow
http 1.0 is strictly one connection per request
fast pagoda
it LOVES catting random shit
ive found if you stick them in a terminal llms will stick to the most basic possible text manipulation methods for everything if they can
which makes sense
sage crag
mm
fast pagoda
kek
there needs to be more ascii in every terminal
you build nmap and get
this should be a requirement
for everything
this poor tux has seen some SHIT
last pumice
i accidentally clicked on this channel instead of general and am already confused lmao
fast pagoda
you stare into the abyss and it may stare back
opaque sigil
fast pagoda
it's over
i'm using zsh with p10k (and also some fish frankenstein shit) and it works for me
so that's weird
last pumice
lol, tbf i do want to learn coding eventually just ADHD makes me stop after like 2 days of trying to learn.
opaque sigil
i guess germany does not exist
fast pagoda
smol can't resolve the wm on wayland :(
fast pagoda
lol, tbf i do want to learn coding eventually just ADHD makes me stop after like...
there's no time like 4 am
last pumice
im hoping to get an actual assessment done for my ADHD im like 99 percent sure i have it but i want to get medicine and maybe become slightly more able to do things lmao. i actually have the brain for it i know that. also yes i agree with that time, it is currently 10am and i have not slept lmao
stark needle
i hope it's not too expensive in ur country
for my aspergers it was like 4000-5000 bucks
fast pagoda
whew
last pumice
jesus
fast pagoda
i like to collect fetches
and i ran this one
scary tux again
but also running this one unmounted both of my storage drives
stark needle
but yeah lucy you should join the abyss of #programming 
last pumice
im from vedal land so it is free just have to wait ungodly amounts of time
stark needle
the only real fetch is fetchfetch
where is fetchfetchfetchfetch
fast pagoda
probably off with my ssn and scredit cards
ivory plinth
smol can't resolve the wm on wayland :(
fast pagoda
rigid snow
that’s for screenfetch derivatives
not for everythingfetch
last pumice
but yeah lucy you should join the abyss of <#1071784467036913664> <:ReallyInnoce...
maybe, i do actually enjoy it and just gaining knowledge
fast pagoda
<:neuroLurk:1109960261147836588>
smol doesn't work on my system >:(
well it does but it cant find wmctrl
mostly because i dont have it
stark needle
maybe, i do actually enjoy it and just gaining knowledge
which field are you mostly interested in getting into
rigid snow
fast pagoda
259 pkgs matching fetch in my current sources
lotta dups and non-screenfetches but
jesus
sage crag
fast pagoda
this one was made for me
last pumice
i dont even understand what that is, idk any specific thing really i mean originally i was wanting to make something like games but now idk i just want to learn a language mainly
stark needle
lotta dups and non-screenfetches but
i should make a lilac neofetch art
fast pagoda
the things im spamming are all derivatives of cli tools that just 'fetch' system info and display them in a nice-ish way
been around a long time
very popular one is neofetch, this is fastfetch which i only found after neofetch decided to quit development
but theyve been around forever
and they have nice little ascii arts
for your distro
last pumice
ah ok thats actually quite cool
desert plaza
you should compare execution times
fast pagoda
fast is a lot faster (crazy)
last pumice
hear me out, name the slowest one fastfetch and the quickest one tutelfetch
opaque wharf
I have awoken from my slumber
fast pagoda
LATENCYFETCH
stark needle
I have awoken from my slumber
are you finally computable
last pumice
<a:SCHIZO:1109986115420696577> LATENCYFETCH
Lmao
desert plaza
fast is a lot faster (crazy)
compare all fetches
last pumice
outer wilds spoiler for during the stream || when the nomai were talking about how something came out quicker than it went in and vedal was like "negative latency?" and you could just feel him thinking about it like omg||
stark needle
make a fetch benchmark tool
desert plaza
compare all fetches
this is your duty as a fetch collector
opaque wharf
are you finally computable
Nope
fast pagoda
here's ur fast vs neofetch
last pumice
jeez
desert plaza
here's ur fast vs neofetch
10ms smh
surely you have a faster one in your collection
opaque sigil
c is faster than bash 
fast pagoda
it's pretty much 10 ms even loading a diff logo so that's a verdict
opaque wharf
c is faster than bash <a:nowaybro:1291426563614707713>
One of those fetch "program" is a bash script? 
fast pagoda
lemme go find a zig and rust fetch
opaque sigil
those 10ms are probably all from opening files
fast pagoda
neofetch is bash
opaque wharf
last pumice
well im going to go for now but nice to meet you all, maybe i will try to learn something again idk
fast pagoda
well im going to go for now but nice to meet you all, maybe i will try to learn ...
think of some random little tool you want
and then
try to make it
dont force it
but if you're ever like
opaque wharf
well im going to go for now but nice to meet you all, maybe i will try to learn ...
Nooo, don't go. The abyss of #programming won't let you
fast pagoda
I WISH I COULD DO <X> SPECIFIC NICHE THING
just try to make it yourself
best way to learn
last pumice
i literally cant think of anything lmao but ill try but like i need to first learn a language of coding lol i know nothing really
fast pagoda
yeah that's why i mentioned dont force it
fast pagoda
oh yeah i did make that fuking cron clock btw
and it was boring
because it's just numbers
opaque wharf
I missed day F
opaque wharf
NAND is turing complete
Wait, you just know?
sage crag
Wait, you just know?
and NOR
opaque wharf
Yeah, universal gate or something
desert plaza
last pumice
yeah that's why i mentioned dont force it
yea ill just need to learn the basics first
opaque wharf
i made all other basic logic gates out of nand some time ago
Good, now make it from discrete component (transistor-resistor)
sage crag
i ended up making a full adder as the last NANDsploration
but thats where my practical knowledge in logic gates ends
fast pagoda
cron time rn:
47 4 10 8 0
47
minute
4
hour
10
day
8
month
0
weekday
Current time: 04:47 (Sun)
it doesnt even look like cron
sage crag
yeah you can make all logic circuits out of nand or nor only
you can also make ROM from NAND
opaque wharf
cron time rn:
47 4 10 8 0
47
minute
4
hour
10
day
8
month
0
weekday
Current ti...
Change it to bime 
sage crag
bime
sage crag
why the day not 10
sage crag
why the day not 10
desert plaza
0x10
fast pagoda
opaque wharf
So the format is B:BBBS?
fast pagoda
also seconds just dont really exist in cron
so that's what i'd call not ideal for a clock
sage crag
So the format is B:BBBS?
D:BBBS
uneven pulsar
i am working on a discord bot
opaque wharf
Hmmm, fair enough
uneven pulsar
also can i use chatgpt api to connect it to a discord bot
fast pagoda
i did get distracted after getting to "wow cron is boring" and then went about doing the css colour theme stealing machine
uneven pulsar
so like when i ping it answers questions like grok on twitter
sage crag
quac
true hemlock
fuck it, upgrading from 14600kf
sage crag
🦆
uneven pulsar
fuck it, upgrading from 14600kf
why intel
fast pagoda
you can use openAI api and run a service that listens for the messages in disc and then send them to the API
uneven pulsar
you can use openAI api and run a service that listens for the messages in disc a...
yeah i should work
fast pagoda
i phrased that so bad
uneven pulsar
because i already have lga 1700 mobo?
ryzen
sage crag
debian headband
fast pagoda
discord bot -> in a channel -> command cog to talk to it and/or it just watches for keywords -> send to bot client -> api rersponse -> back to bot in disc
that's basically how echo works anyways
uneven pulsar
discord bot -> in a channel -> command cog to talk to it and/or it just watches ...
i see..
opaque wharf
Am hungry now that I'm awake
true hemlock
i also planned another PC for my home server (and for my daughter to mess around with) to replace my current i7 10700 machine
opaque wharf
I can eat some roasted duck 
true hemlock
but im still waiting for my friend to find their 7950x ES because all i needed rn is the CPU
fast pagoda
building this rust based fetch that says it wanted to have as feew deps as possible for @desert plaza
and uh
uneven pulsar
but im still waiting for my friend to find their 7950x ES because all i needed r...
dude why did you pick lga you could went with am5
opaque wharf
Cargo cult
true hemlock
dude why did you pick lga you could went with am5
wait till bro realize am5 is just basically LGA 1718
desert plaza
it's in the hundreds
true hemlock
dude why did you pick lga you could went with am5
but yeah i pick intel for my personal build for a reason. i need the IMC because they have better IMC than AMD's (for 128+ GB ddr5 upgrade later)
fast pagoda
it's also just malware i guess
true hemlock
and i got the 14600KF for cheaper than any am5 CPU, simple.
i need the multicore perf
fast pagoda
not really but i cant remove it
true hemlock
there's nothing wrong with going with intel?
desert plaza
how is it not finding the package by that name 
fast pagoda
what does linus mean by this
opaque wharf
desert plaza
rust moment
rough bloom
you have your cargo set up to put binaries in /usr/bin/???
fast pagoda
nah it's aur
opaque wharf
Cargo installing to system is fucked tho
fast pagoda
but pacman cant see aur either
uneven pulsar
wait till bro realize am5 is just basically LGA 1718
I already know but I would use RYZEN
opaque wharf
but pacman cant see aur either
Use aurto next time
uneven pulsar
there's nothing wrong with going with intel?
13th and 14th cpu
opaque wharf
It's a thin wrapper around aurutils, which requires that EVERY installed aur package be on a custom repo
true hemlock
13th and 14th cpu
easily fixable. the oxidation happened because of a certain clock module receiving too much voltage
rough bloom
but pacman cant see aur either
it should I think? it can't install new packages from the AUR obviously but it should see installed packages
uneven pulsar
but yeah i pick intel for my personal build for a reason. i need the IMC because...
Oh i see
opaque wharf
So pacman can actually manage it
opaque wharf
Try to check the output of pacman -Qe
uneven pulsar
easily fixable. the oxidation happened because of a certain clock module receivi...
you didn’t use a 13th or 14th cpu
I would buy a 12th generation
fast pagoda
fuckers
opaque wharf
Query explicitly installed
fast pagoda
it's zeitfetch-git
rigid snow
classic aur
rough bloom
it should I think? it can't install new packages from the AUR obviously but it s...
yeah it should, AUR packages still get installed through pacman
no need to use a repo for that
fast pagoda
im malding
rough bloom
time for the obligatory "Nix fixes this"
true hemlock
of course its nix
fast pagoda
"what is zeitfetch never heard of it"
"ohhh THAT zeitfetch, you didn't say -git bro"
i hate everything
time to boldly continue installing rust fetches to find one faster than fastfetch
which is also rust tbf
oo found 2 zig ones
rigid snow
vercel got here too
https://www.npmjs.com/package/@zeit/fetch ain’t no fuckin way they actually have that
fast pagoda
thank god he copyrighted this one
opaque sigil
your zig is too new
fast pagoda
it's the zig that was in the pkg dependencies
i didnt have zig installed before
oh you know what
i installed the other zig one at the same time
opaque sigil
probably just abandoned the project then
fast pagoda
i wonder if THAT zig overrode it and is too new
desert plaza
i wish zig versions were backwards compatible
fast pagoda
kek zig is going well thus far
lament igloo
it's zeitfetch-git
zeitfetch? whats that
fast pagoda
well it's supposed to be a neofetch but in zig
but both candidates cannot build from their own pkgbuilds
opaque sigil
i wish zig versions were backwards compatible
pls no, not before the language is actually finalised
opaque sigil
lol no
opaque sigil
either when you realise that it doesn't really matter and you can just pin the version yourself or when they announce 1.0 i guess
give it a couple years
fast pagoda
ooh i found one written in C and then he went ahead and put out an x86 asm version
surely this one will be fast
desert plaza
give it a couple years
bro, how much more time does one need to polish a language
it works, does it not?
opaque sigil
it does
fast pagoda
carbon is like 10 years old and they just got around to maybe doing the memory safety thing they started the entire language for
sage crag
i wish zig versions were backwards compatible
its explicitly not going to be backwards compatible until 1.0.0
fast pagoda
okay i see you afetch with your cheating ways only having to put out like 6 lines and barely beating fastfetch
but still
desert plaza
its explicitly not going to be backwards compatible until 1.0.0
so zig devs are already writing in an obsolete language
fast pagoda
sage crag
so zig devs are already writing in an obsolete language
yup, everyone who writes zig already knows this
it would be the same as using hblang or any other indev language
subject to change
desert plaza
yup, everyone who writes zig already knows this
hblang compiler written in zig
which zig version
sage crag
zig 0.14.0
desert plaza
oh
fast pagoda
a classic
desert plaza
does nix have 0.14.0
opaque sigil
it does
opaque sigil
https://github.com/mitchellh/zig-overlay there's also this
sage crag
use perf stat afetch instead
rough bloom
it works, does it not?
it's not about whether it works or not, it's about whether it's good or not
if you start guaranteeing backwards compatibility you have to keep old shitty features around forever even when you have figured out a better way to do things
basically, you get something like Java or C++ where the modern way to use the language is vastly different than the original way the language was meant to be used
sage crag
accuracy
fast pagoda
use `perf stat afetch` instead
but time is sooo easy to type
opaque sigil
carbon is like 10 years old and they just got around to maybe doing the memory s...
you have c++ to thank for that tbf
opaque sigil
where, i see not
it's just zig
fast pagoda
but then the heavyweight champion neofeast
sage crag
im going to ignore all of this
desert plaza
it's just `zig`
then explain this
fast pagoda
not the deallocation
opaque sigil
what ancient version of nixpkgs are you using
desert plaza
what ancient version of nixpkgs are you using
uhh, idk
sage crag
but then the heavyweight champion neofeast
14% of cycles idle sounds like its waiting for IO
fast pagoda
it shouldn't be it's on a samsung 990 pro
not the fastest int he universe but
plus it's 2nd run so hot
opaque sigil
well 25.05 has 0.14.1 as its zig, idk about older versions
fast pagoda
neofetch takes a smelly minute with its call to fill in teh color boxes
desert plaza
well 25.05 has 0.14.1 as its `zig`, idk about older versions
uh configuration.nix says 24.05
how do i get a newer package
opaque sigil
change to a newer channel
desert plaza
channel?
fast pagoda
sudo pacman -S zig
desert plaza
tbh i have not touch nix docs
fast pagoda
desert plaza
rough bloom
uh configuration.nix says 24.05
that shouldn't be defined in your configuration.nix
if you mean the stateVersion then do not change that
desert plaza
that shouldn't be defined in your configuration.nix
if you mean the stateVersion...
yuh stateversion
ik not to change
fast pagoda
cachy extras zig ver is 0.14.1-2 rn so 0.14.0 cant be very far away from that
rough bloom
yuh stateversion
if you're not using flakes for your system configuration then you should be able to set the nixpkgs channel to a newer version through nix-channel
fast pagoda
i found some thing called anyzig
A universal zig executable that lets you run any version of zig. Since you can only have one zig executable in your PATH, anyzig removes the limitation that this can only be one version. The version of zig to invoke is pulled from the minimum_zig_version field of build.zig.zon. build.zig.zon is found by searching the current or any parent directory.
Anytime a new zig version is needed, anyzig will invoke the equivalent of zig fetch ZIG_DOWNLOAD_URL to download it into the global cache.
In addition, you can also specify the version of zig to invoke by including it as the first argument, i.e.
surely that wouldn't cause massive nightmares all the time forgetting you have it
opaque sigil
just use zvm
rough bloom
if you're not using flakes for your system configuration then you should be able...
https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/#sec-upgrading
this
idk I haven't done this process in ages because I use flakes as any sane person does
opaque sigil
isn't it just sudo nix-channel --add https://channels.nixos.org/nixos-25.05 nixos or do you have to remove it first
oh nice i was right
flakes are nice 
desert plaza
flakes are nice <:Gladge:1173535049426145281>
aren't nix flakes experimental
rough bloom
they are
opaque sigil
they're "experimental"
fast pagoda
it's fine until it's not
desert plaza
rough bloom
it's fine until it's not
nah it's actually fine
they're so widespread now that incompatible changes practically never happen, and in the Nix ecosystem in general is pretty good about adding deprecation warnings ahead of time before something is removed
- you can always use an older version of Nix for a while
fast pagoda
nah i get it
i think i said it the other day
was idly like man
i wish there were SOME WAY
to just have my configuration set in stone
declared if you will
and portable
too bad there just isnt. . .. . .
rough bloom
the btrfs/zfs snapshots in question
opaque sigil
fast pagoda
already got me a hookerino
here bro, here's your neofetch vs afetch vs fastfetch time trial
opaque wharf
here bro, here's your neofetch vs afetch vs fastfetch time trial
Video editing 100
desert plaza
here bro, here's your neofetch vs afetch vs fastfetch time trial
so afetch is faster than fastfetch mhm
now do that with all your fetches
sage crag
cachy extras zig ver is 0.14.1-2 rn so 0.14.0 cant be very far away from that
seriously use zvm
fast pagoda
you can see the results if you have rust or zig powered eyes
desert plaza
opaque wharf
<:NeuroHuh:1071414397752332429>
Blazingly fast 🦀 🚀
fast pagoda
and i dont have a video editor installed that isnt this shitty gnome video trimmer
which does NOT
have cropping
so you get my entire desktop
well
that monitor
desert plaza
and i dont have a video editor installed that isnt this shitty gnome video trimm...
just use ffmpeg 
opaque wharf
I think ffmpeg can do cropping
opaque wharf
I miss Sam and his quality shitpost
fast pagoda
im jumping
opaque wharf
The nuked audio is the touch of perfection
desert plaza
nuked like into not existing?
fast pagoda
i suppose that is what nuking tends to do
i just wasnt listening to anything lol youd have seen cava dancing on my top bar
and it was definitely not
so im just sitting here in silence
max focus
running time benchmarks on fetches
desert plaza
yuh appropriate amount of focus for fetch benchmarking
sage crag
opaque wharf
Maidenless behaviour
opaque wharf
What is the word equivalent for man?
fast pagoda
no he is not ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
opaque wharf
You're bri'ish :evilsmh:
Because of societal double standards, there was not a specific term needed for a male virgin. Someone may have coined a term, but there's not one that I know of that has the same lingual cache as maiden.
Makes sense
fast pagoda
mfw eunuchless
opaque wharf
So, what word do we want to invent?
opaque wharf
mfw eunuchless
It doesn't have the same ring as maidenless
fast pagoda
you've distracted me
into actually organizing my music into the correct place
because it's in about 3048927398 different backup archives
opaque wharf
desert plaza
hblang compiler written in zig
uh help?
fast pagoda
looks about like my zig experience so far today
opaque sigil
it's just an idiom for running build and then install
opaque wharf
I just use bun wrangler directly lol
fast pagoda
getting no audio
have only ever used pipewire on this install
have never changed or configured anything to use pulse audio
cant get the damn audio to work
swap to pulse audio
audio only works on pulse
desert plaza
did you init the submodules
what
fast pagoda
thanks linux
opaque wharf
>getting no audio
>have only ever used pipewire on this install
>have never ch...
I believe toast has now become and expert on pipewire
opaque sigil
i never want to touch pipewire ever again
fast pagoda
it somehow exploded pipewire
i guarantee if i reboot pipewire would be back without issue
but you see i used it in two(2) different ways (slightly)
so it instead has exploded
desert plaza
hi
sage crag
git submodule update --init --recursive -- vendored/zydis
desert plaza
`git submodule update --init --recursive -- vendored/zydis`
oh fuk
sage crag
the other submodules arent required
sage crag
the other submodules arent required
unless you want to build the raylib example and also run the test suite
opaque sigil
I believe toast has now become and expert on pipewire
you made me look at my pipewire config and i just realised i never used some of the config options i defined so ty for that
opaque wharf
Time to bother the compiler dev again?
fast pagoda
i like to immediately assume the problem is like
wayyyyyyyyyyyy upstream
i email linus every time my pipewire doesnt work actually
tender river
sage crag
bwaleaf
fast pagoda
opaque wharf
i email linus every time my pipewire doesnt work actually
Honestly, if it was the old Linus and he did find out the cause is from the kernel, that maintainer will have a bad bime
fast pagoda
Honestly, if it was the old Linus and he did find out the cause is from the kern...
i was reading his exchanges with the bcachefs guys
the maintainer
lol
linus may be the most fed up yet trapped man
opaque wharf
https://github.com/CharlotteCross1998/linuwux
Uwuntu is real btw
https://uwuntuos.site/downloads/
fast pagoda
yeah tere's a few of these
desert plaza
its just yoinked from the src code
i realize i don't know how that --help output helps me
opaque wharf
linus may be the most fed up yet trapped man
He is getting his anger issue solved thankfully. But yeah, that exchange on lkml is something else
sage crag
i realize i don't know how that `--help` output helps me
each one is an arg
fast pagoda
desert plaza
each one is an arg
args with underscores
sage crag
args with underscores <:catdespair:1087521982817509426>
nope, its replaced with -
desert plaza
hmm
tender river
i dislike alacritty because it has no features
because the need for most shell features is obviated by using a good wm 
(or tmux if you're fine with no scrollback)
desert plaza
uh
fast pagoda
yeah btw you can pretty much commit to gh repos without any authentication unless the repo requires signed commits
as anyone
if you know their email
desert plaza
if you know their email
which wouldn't be difficult to discover
sage crag
because the need for most shell features is obviated by using a good wm <:neuroF...
i dont like tiling wms, and scrollback is important to me
desert plaza
git be like
tender river
xlibre time
even setting politics aside, the dev didnt know that ^ is xor rather than exponentiation please dont use it
fast pagoda
tmux is unusable due to the scrollback
sage crag
i kinda like tihs theme
fast pagoda
even setting politics aside, the dev didnt know that ^ is xor rather than expone...
i just like meming about it i'd never use it at this time just from the prospect of breaking 30 year old dependencies nobody knows about from changing so much
yeah i like when it highlights things red and then red also for other things
and then
when its something else
go ahead and make it red
( i do like how it looks lol)
fast pagoda
hey i like a little column A a little column B
tender river
i t is booming
hi t
stray dragon
hi chayleaf
fast pagoda
t mentioned
stray dragon
hi afunyun
fast pagoda
sage crag
@tender river do you know any better way to t ag a struct
stray dragon
hi konii
sage crag
hi t
rigid snow
no one uses themes for readability its all for aesthetics
i used to use the github color scheme for the longest time because i like how much contrast it has, but the reverse is very common. 50% of themes are extremely bad contrast and i can’t stand them let alone start using
fast pagoda
gh dark is my go-to for actually everything if i cant think of anything
and also gruvbox dark
idk what gruvbox even is
i just like its colours
oh it's just the name they chose for it in neovim ig
sage crag
<@455756327755710464> do you know any better way to t ag a struct
i was adding the case for returning Result from main
fast pagoda
i like solarized dark too so i guess it makes sense that i'ma gruvboxxer
fast pagoda
i was adding the case for returning Result from main
this is better contrast
up close
sage crag
i was adding the case for returning Result from main
main := fn(): lily.Result(void, u8) {
// return .ok({})
return .err(1)
}
i.e.
opaque wharf
<https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wjLCqUUWd8DzG+xsOn-yVL0Q=O35U9D6j6=2DUWX52gh...
That is tame compared to his older self lmao
tender river
<@455756327755710464> do you know any better way to t ag a struct
you can do TAG := Result or something
tender river
thats the point, emulating nominal typing
sage crag
```rust
main := fn(): lily.Result(void, u8) {
// return .ok({})
return ....
additionally i have changed this so that if Ok == void, you can just do .ok() rather than .ok({})
opaque wharf
thats the point, emulating nominal typing
Wait, hblang is not nominal?
desert plaza
er how do i compile, gimme a reference
sage crag
er how do i compile, gimme a reference
hbc a.hb > a.o
tender river
Wait, hblang is not nominal?
since type are defined using functions rather than type variables, a type's identity is the way it was constructed (often including the specific function that constructed it since that affects the type name)
sage crag
would help to know why
its probably at hblang/zig-out/bin/hbc
opaque wharf
since type are defined using functions rather than type variables, a type's iden...
Interesting
tender river
i dont like tiling wms, and scrollback is important to me
i hate using the mouse i dont actually care about tiling itself, i never tile windows
just put everything in tabs 
opaque wharf
i hate using the mouse <:FOCUS:1168267148523737239> i dont actually care about t...
You can use the drawing tablet then (i assume you have one for playing osu!)
desert plaza
ok i managed to compile for x86-64
tender river
no i just dont like taking hands off my keyboard for no reason
sage crag
ok i managed to compile for x86-64
the compiler outputs object files so you will want to link it
desert plaza
the compiler outputs object files so you will want to link it
yuh i linked it with ld
sage crag
ld
desert plaza
sage crag
by default you will be linking to the c runtime
you can define your own entrypoint manually though if you want
desert plaza
just tell me everything then
fast pagoda
That is tame compared to his older self lmao
not even that bad but it's so fun to read linus frustrations
tender river
<:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>
$entry_handler := fn(): type $if @has_decl(@RootScope(), "main") {
$main := @RootScope().main
$Ret := @TypeOf(main())
$if Ret == never return main
return fn(): never {
ret: u32 = 0
$if Ret != void ret = @inline(main)
target.exit(ret)
}
} else {
return void
}
@handler("entry", entry_handler())
@handler("memcpy", target.memcopy)
handlers source code from lily
target.memcopy and target.exit are defined using @syscall
well, memcopy isnt obviously
sage crag
just tell me everything then
you could do it like this:
_start := fn(): never {
main()
loop {}
}
main := fn(): void {}
and then when linking
ld -nostartfiles -o main main.o
exit:
$sys_exit: u32 = 0x3C
$exit := fn(code: u32): never return @syscall(sys_exit, code)
alternatively you could do this
@handler("entry", fn(): never {
main()
loop {}
})
main := fn(): void {}
ld -nostartfiles -o main main.o
which would be more idiomatic
or if you really feel like it, you could just change the linker args:
ld -e,main -nostartfiles -o program program.o
sage crag
is memcpy handler still required
only if you do -nostdlib
tender river
mhm so it is
sage crag
-nostartfiles will let you write your own entrypoint but you will still link to libc for memcpy
fast pagoda
letting this music scan -> move script run and watching people discuss things of which i am ignorant
🍿
opaque wharf
not even that bad but it's so fun to read linus frustrations
It does ye. That man should retire early. He is 50 something but looked much older
fast pagoda
he took his hiatus in the last 10 years rightt so he's good
he will be literally too angry to die anyways
opaque wharf
a ret instruction
Good
sage crag
btw main fn 1 example produced segfault for me
show me your file and the command you used to link
this program works perfectly for me
desert plaza
aight
sage crag
also you dont have to include the expectations that is for testing
opaque wharf
The classic works on my machine 
tender river
the classic "works if you link correctly" 
sage crag
The classic works on my machine <:evilWheeze:1131316260353867887>
it should work on every machine that supports x86_64
desert plaza
show me your file and the command you used to link
ld -o test test.o ```hb
main := fn(): uint {
return 42
}
wait
by file you mean
tender river
"but hey" registers as llm slop in my head 100% of the time now 
desert plaza
no i dont want to read the hexdump
oh ok
opaque wharf
"but hey" registers as llm slop in my head 100% of the time now <:neuroErm:11022...
What watching Neuro do to a person
opaque wharf
no i dont want to read the hexdump
That was fast lol
sage crag
"but hey" registers as llm slop in my head 100% of the time now <:neuroErm:11022...
but hey 
desert plaza
objdump sure
like this?
desert plaza
wdym
opaque sigil
oh
opaque sigil
is it because of nix
tender river
no
desert plaza
y r we c runtime'ing
sage crag
ld isnt gonna add a c runtime <:newero:1354211474880593991>
could also do -lcrt.0
desert plaza
just exit call
desert plaza
tender river
just exit call
because you use main
desert plaza
ok
tender river
which requires C runtime
the executable starts at _start and must call the exit syscall
brisk laurel
kotlin
opaque sigil
nocturne olive
kotlin<:neuroDespair:1201905289276690482>
Peak language
desert plaza
you could do it like this:
```rust
_start := fn(): never {
main()
loop {}
}
...
this does look cool, so i can just define the symbol directly in the source huh
brisk laurel
Peak language
hello
sage crag
this does look cool, so i can just define the symbol directly in the source huh
yes, that is generally how programming languages work
awa
desert plaza
but not _start
sage crag
yup
desert plaza
huh
tender river
by passing -nostdlib to clang
desert plaza
i have never
sage crag
@handler("entry", fn(): never {
main()
loop {}
})
main := fn(): void {}
the more "correct" way to do it is this though
nocturne olive
hello<:SMILE:1173553648534568960>
Silly
sage crag
```rust
@handler("entry", fn(): never {
main()
loop {}
})
main := fn(): voi...
also @desert plaza you will have to use clang instead of ld because the compiler will sometimes call memcpy which you havent defined
desert plaza
also <@1304502582672101449> you will have to use `clang` instead of `ld` because...
y will the compiler sometimes call memcpy
tender river
to copy memory
opaque wharf
desert plaza
why clang
tender river
you can use gcc
sage crag
you can use gcc
tender river
anything that links to libc since it has memcpy
sage crag
it will provide the libc memcpy
tender river
or, you can define your own memcpy in hblang
sage crag
so you dont have to write one
opaque wharf
Evil and Neuro when speaking together
sage crag
if you do want to write one, you can define it like this
@handler("memcpy", fn(dest: ^u8, src: ^u8, len: uint): void {
// whatever
})
hmm
opaque wharf
Evil and Neuro when speaking together
desert plaza
oh i think i know why i'm confused
sage crag
i will let you process that