programming

[opaque sigil]

you're good

[olive sable]

resizing does some interesting stuff to the framebuffer.

it keeps a slice

[midnight sigil]

I overdid it

I'm now on 13

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

with llvm 19.1.7

[opaque wharf]

I sure am glad that I am on rolling release

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-plush-teto-kasane-fact-checked-gif-14951431768440204450

[sage crag]

awa

[olive sable]

awa

[midnight sigil]

now with -std=c++20 -Oz -flto -s -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wl,--gc-sections,--build-id=none,--as-needed,--icf=all -fuse-ld=gold brings us collect2: fatal error: cannot find ‘ld’

this is on g++ (Debian 14.2.0-19) 14.2.0

[sage crag]

try which ld

if it doesnt exist then try sudo apt-get install binutils

[opaque sigil]

according to the debian page 13 is supposed to become the stable release on 2025-08-09 so uhh, nice timing

[olive sable]

Triangle()
{
    initWindow();

    if (!initVulkan())
    {
        cleanupInstance();
        //ini opengl
    }
    else
    {
        mainLoop();
        cleanupAll();
    }
}

This is probably fine for opengl fallback, surely

[opaque sigil]

normally you'd do the detection in the build system and then just pass that to the program to avoid compiling useless code but i guess that's not really possible here

[olive sable]

im not really sure if its possible

[opaque sigil]

also if there's no vulkan wouldnt the vulkan code fail to compile

or does it just pretend everything is fine and die at runtime

[olive sable]

im not sure cuz i cant find a device that doesnt support vulkan, but supposedly it should still run but then report no gpu with vulkan support has been found

in which case i return false

[opaque sigil]

idk how it works on other devices but mesa usually ships with a fallback software renderer so i guess checking if there's a gpu should do the trick

unless there actually are any targets that don't have a libvulkan.so but do have opengl for some reason

[rough bloom]

looks like (for NVIDIA) the newest generation of consumer cards that doesn't support Vulkan is Fermi

so any GTX 5xx or older would have to use OpenGL

[olive sable]

it smostly there cuz browser support is iffy

i doubt any gtx 5xx would touch my code

[rough bloom]

does targeting Vulkan in the browser actually work

I thought the last state of things was that you had to use WebGPU

[sage crag]

bwa

[olive sable]

it should, ive been usign the vulkan sdk tho so idk if the emscripten vulkan header file works

[sage crag]

spiders

[olive sable]

no

i dont like spiders

[sage crag]

wrong

incorrect

you love spiders

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-insects-gif-18920877

[olive sable]

as long as i dont have them crawling in my bed or pc we're cool

but if they are they shall get deported

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

/usr/bin/ld

binutils is already there on 2.44-3

[sage crag]

hm

well, good luck

awa

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

[desert plaza]

just don't use a linker

[midnight sigil]

how do I run object files directly

in my machine

[desert plaza]

edit hexdump

[maiden geyser]

not like anyone uses those anymore

[midnight sigil]

turns out I need to install binutils-gold now

[sage crag]

awa

[olive sable]

"Emscripten does ship with vulkan/vulkan.h, but it’s a stub for WebGPU/WebGL"

welp you're correct

[rough bloom]

I mean, as long as it properly adapts it to WebGPU it's fine, similar to what it's doing with WebGL
real Vulkan is obviously impossible on web

I just can't find any information on Emscripten supporting that

[uneven pulsar]

did anyone ping me?

i got 2 pings in #programming

[olive sable]

cant you just check yuor discord notifications?

win+I

[uneven pulsar]

oh ye

[uneven pulsar]

ty sam💟

[olive sable]

now that i think about it the notifs might have been me

nah

i didnt have ping alert on

[uneven pulsar]

i just wanted to make sure t didn't really mean it about having my info

[stray dragon]

i would never ever lie

[uneven pulsar]

if he dose i better ge incognito

[uneven pulsar]

alr then i better disable my acc

[stray dragon]

(do not)

[uneven pulsar]

oh i though i would really have too....

i mean i can juts open nmap and start

[stray dragon]

i thought i was making the sarcasm as obvious as possible

[uneven pulsar]

lol

if someone ever tried to dox me i fight back

[stray dragon]

honestly good luck finding my ip

[uneven pulsar]

i honestly dont

it would take like 5 days

or 30

or 40 smt

[stray dragon]

everything goes through discord api here, i suppose you could maybe try to go through my steam account or something

[uneven pulsar]

unless if i found the wifi port

[uneven pulsar]

nah steam is way safe than you think

[stray dragon]

i mean

[uneven pulsar]

i might get fucked by the support team

[stray dragon]

find my account > watch games i play > find server i'm on when i'm active > try to get my ip from there maybe

[uneven pulsar]

no not like that

[stray dragon]

better than trying to extract my ip from discord

[uneven pulsar]

you cant high jack thru games

[stray dragon]

you'd have to properly hack them or something

[uneven pulsar]

or i can find a wifi port but nah

it took me 6 hours to find a very hard wifi port of some russian girl that betted me her number

[stray dragon]

how would you even know it's mine

[uneven pulsar]

well if use open SSH

[stray dragon]

if i did have a wifi port (lol proxmox setups are a pain)

[uneven pulsar]

we have a range of 25355 - 0

her wifi port is 6900 a very old and hard one to find

it took me 6 hours

while a machine have a ryzen threadreaper takes up to 4d

[stray dragon]

ekness it's literally the funny number times 100

smh

come on

[uneven pulsar]

no its her wifi port tcp

[stray dragon]

"the password was 6900 it was very hard to guess"

[uneven pulsar]

💀

[uneven pulsar]

not a password

[stray dragon]

(i know)

[uneven pulsar]

she made it easier cuz her wifi port uses. openSHH

she gave me a range of 25355 -0

[wide flicker]

Hello #programming how is everyone today

[olive sable]

good

[desert plaza]

suboptimal

[uneven pulsar]

a) funny number
b) security (not 22 or 2222 or 2002)
c) takes A LONG TIME to guess / scan

thats why it was 6900

[wide flicker]

So ive only ever used Windows and my curiosity has been piqued about trying Linux. A quick Google search tells me I can dual-boot (personally, not preferable), use a VM, or use built-in Windows-Linux integration (WSL), but I am a newbie to this stuff and don't know which is "better". I'd imagine some of you have opinions on this, and I wanna hear em, what do yall think

[noble zodiac]

use a linux VM imo

[sage crag]

main := fn(): lily.Result(void, u8) {
    return .ok({})
}

support for returning Result from main now implemented

[midnight sigil]

wsl is good enough

[nocturne olive]

For experimentation, a VM
WLS is more for just running Linux software on Windows

[midnight sigil]

you don't need a dedicated vm, if you don't need that much security stuff

it's more heavy than just running an innerworking linux kernel with windows

[rough bloom]

if you want to just get a bit of familiarity with Linux in general WSL is fine, it's very convenient because it has some integration with Windows that a VM doesn't
if your goal is switching then a VM is good because you will get the full* Linux desktop environment experience ™
-# * not actually because VM graphics are ass, so trying 3D games or anything like that in a VM doesn't really work

[sage crag]

including
Result(never, T)

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure WLS 2 is just a normal VM

[wide flicker]

My goal is not switching at this time ^^

[midnight sigil]

you gotta delete that before azaka sees that lol

[nocturne olive]

Whar

[rough bloom]

then go for WSL, very easy to set up
can always try out a VM later if needed

[nocturne olive]

Have I once again been told false information?

[olive sable]

since raw vulkan doesnt work in browser, how much work would it be to make a seperate webgpu implementation of all the vulkan stuff i have rn?
cuz tbh i cant really be bothered

[midnight sigil]

mayhaps

[wide flicker]

Okay! Thank you! And thank you caibi and superbox also ^^

[rough bloom]

shouldn't be too bad
you don't need to maintain both at the same time, since if you do it similarly to this project you can just use WebGPU for native too

[rigid snow]

how hard can webgpu truly be

[midnight sigil]

I'm not sure if it's a wsl thing or not, but when wsl is not fully shutdown and running in the background, stutters in my host system happens, which is not fun for osu :(

[rigid snow]

[rough bloom]

you would have to port everything once but WebGPU is pretty similar to Vulkan

[nocturne olive]

Windows moment

[rough bloom]

Vulkan Lite

[midnight sigil]

webgpu = chromium dedicated feature

[rough bloom]

[olive sable]

Why cant graphics api's just work?

[rigid snow]

they do if you don't roll everything yourself

[rough bloom]

they do if you're using Rust
wgpu handles everything including fallback to WebGL

[rigid snow]

[midnight sigil]

why cant big companies just unite every standard

[olive sable]

So true

[midnight sigil]

I swear the world is going rusty over time

[olive sable]

The webgl fallback is not really what im worried about, i made webhl before i can do it again

[midnight sigil]

everything is rust

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[nocturne olive]

So apparently WSL 2 is a VM, but it's also not a full VM

[rough bloom]

yeah, but you have to maintain it as a separate code path
with wgpu you only have to write everything once

(not that you should switch, you already settled on C++ for some reason, I'm just here to watch the suffering)

[rigid snow]

C++ for some reason
he should've done zig fr

[nocturne olive]

Something something brackets

[midnight sigil]

the rust is getting everywhere now

[rigid snow]

even my car has rust

[rough bloom]

Discord uses Rust
your messages are being sent through oxidized infrastructure

[noble zodiac]

one of these days there will be a reasonable API for peer-to-peer communication between two browsers in a LAN

[midnight sigil]

are you talking about websockets

[rigid snow]

that's very specific

[rough bloom]

WebRTC

[rigid snow]

ws are not p2p

[noble zodiac]

I said reasonable

[midnight sigil]

you can still consider it as p2p, it's just one contributing a role

[noble zodiac]

a browser cant act as a server

[rigid snow]

webrtc is nice, what's unreasonable about it

[rough bloom]

yeah, I don't know much about WebRTC other than that everyone working with it seems to hate it

[noble zodiac]

because you need to perform a handshake and for that you need a third party

or do something cursed

[rigid snow]

i meaaaan that's pretty much how every p2p impl works

[noble zodiac]

its a browser specific thing since you cannot listen for connections

[rough bloom]

the WebSocket API only provides the client, it doesn't allow listening on a port to act as a server

[midnight sigil]

oh

that is just browser being dumb shits then

can't even act as a server

:smh:

[rigid snow]

give every tab nodejs apis mhm

[noble zodiac]

if both devices have cameras (which min dont) you could exchange the handshake data with QR codes

[rigid snow]

what about a string

why are cameras necessary

[noble zodiac]

how do you transfer said string

[rigid snow]

verbal

[midnight sigil]

[noble zodiac]

right, I just tell someone the bytes of an SDP offer, totally reasonable

[midnight sigil]

we need to add AI so we can follow the trend

[rigid snow]

encode them in a fun way

[midnight sigil]

different hand and arm gestures represent a different handshake packet

[noble zodiac]

hence the qr code so you dont have to type it out

[midnight sigil]

fuck qr codes

[rigid snow]

see crypto wallet recovery phrases for inspiration

[noble zodiac]

I have another, even more cursed way

encode it as sound and transfer it via speaker and microphone

[rigid snow]

unironically tho

https://github.com/ggerganov/ggwave

[midnight sigil]

that's like the Gibberlink thing no?

[rigid snow]

gibberlink is based on the library i sent

[midnight sigil]

yea I saw that

👍

fun thing

[rigid snow]

for some reason by the ggml/gguf and llama.cpp guy

i never noticed

[midnight sigil]

he's the god for modern AI stuff lol

every AI stuff has to be some kind related to him

[uneven pulsar]

dude i feel like a old boomer

some random 15y in the server literally a pro at c#

while i am a java boomer

[midnight sigil]

I'm 15 years old and I do java c++ and py

don't feel old

I code in old ass languages

[maiden geyser]

you will be the last one to laugh once windows dies

even if it never happens

[midnight sigil]

windows plz don't die

I want to game

I'll buy 5 CD copies of win 10 plz don't die

[maiden geyser]

wasn't it about to be the year of linux, for the last 20 something years?

[midnight sigil]

who games on linux

[rough bloom]

Windows 10 is too thicc to fit on a CD

[opaque sigil]

windows 10 bluray

[noble zodiac]

turns out the data I would need to transfer is too large for ggwave

[midnight sigil]

make your own protocol

shoud be easy

you can do complex analog signals with fourier transform and shit

quite fun

[noble zodiac]

you can only speed it up so much before just losing data

[midnight sigil]

just do packet validations with multiple streams idk

[noble zodiac]

you would still sit there for a minute for a handshake. its just not reasonable

[midnight sigil]

what data are you trying to transfer

[noble zodiac]

SDP offers

[midnight sigil]

@opaque wharf https://github.com/anfogy/AWA5.0-Interpreter

[opaque wharf]

You know, I've made this

[midnight sigil]

this is actually useable now

[opaque wharf]

Nice

But I am interfacing a browser with walkie talkie to send APRS

With a 3.5mm jack

There are surprisingly a lot of library for it

Either as audio modem or more low level as the encoder-decoder

[midnight sigil]

what tf were you doing

[opaque wharf]

Playing around

[midnight sigil]

bro just said fuck gps

[opaque wharf]

I am asking the question "is it posssible?" Turns out, it is

[noble zodiac]

heck I have a guitar pedal that you can be configured via audio signals send directly over the pickups

[opaque wharf]

Which is why I will always buy a phone with 3.5mm audio jack

[midnight sigil]

I should also try the more cursed stuff when I have access to more school's resources

[noble zodiac]

can I may have a very cursed solution that may or may not work

[midnight sigil]

[noble zodiac]

STUNless webrtc can use ICE via mdns to advertise candidates on the local network, which is the only way to access mdns from a browser

So what if I crate a ton of fake candidates with chunks of the SDP offer encoded into them

[opaque wharf]

[noble zodiac]

@rare bridge

[faint sandal]

another dead account

[opaque wharf]

The problem is it is possible. You can encode SDP to mDNS

@real sierra @rare bridge @cobalt vessel @dapper topaz @fair cipher @safe path

[faint sandal]

just send a ticket lol

[real sierra]

got it

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, I think pinging the active mod is preferred

[opaque wharf]

Shiro!

[noble zodiac]

thanks a lot shiro

[opaque wharf]

The screeps master is here!

[maiden geyser]

enjoy getting vendor and price locked?

the only phones with 3.5 i know are bottom to mid xiaomi/poco/redmis

[opaque wharf]

The phone market is bigger than Samsung, Google Pixel, Poco, Xiaomi, and whatever the trending brand is

My current phone (Oppo) does have 3.5mm for example

[sage crag]

awa 1 2 3

i was looking through the gpt 5 intro stream and found another gem of a graph

[noble zodiac]

me over here, hmm, how do I minimize the SDP offer length

meanwhile firefox puts a freaking PUN into it

[opaque wharf]

Most of their graph is like that

[sage crag]

yes i know

[noble zodiac]

classic vibecharting

[stark needle]

Reminds me of that apple chart

[sage crag]

we can ascertain from this graph that 52.8 > 69.1 == 30.8

[stark needle]

That seems correct

[noble zodiac]

thanks firefox, real funnyno=mozilla...THIS_IS_SDPARTA-99.

[opaque wharf]

In the grand scheme of things, those extra 10 bytes or so doesn't add much

[hoary lion]

morn

[rigid snow]

i love cramming data into things i'm not supposed to. roll your own encoding and compression

relevant "code" of mine from 2 years ago

[tender river]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCQCP-5g5bo

[rigid snow]

i have watched that video

even though it's clickbait

[maiden geyser]

imagine if people could disable thinking like that

[rigid snow]

and still be able to function

[sage crag]

i do it all the time

[rigid snow]

calling CoT “thinking” is stupid btw

i like “reasoning” more

[sage crag]

nyuro

[faint sandal]

do you mean 460%

[rigid snow]

cryptominer

[sage crag]

4 whole cores

[rough bloom]

crowdsourcing compute for Grok

[rigid snow]

x coin

[lapis wraith]

JESUST! You're overcooking the computer!

[maiden geyser]

HE'S OVERSTREAMING

[tender river]

awa

[rigid snow]

gpt 5 is basically agi

[noble zodiac]

I finally understand why sam altman so afraid of it

that is scary bad

[sage crag]

i do think its slightly unfair to ask llms arithmetic questions all things considered

though this wouldnt be an issue for gpt 3 let alone 5

too busy overfitting on benchmarks to do arithmetic ig

[opaque wharf]

Asking LLM to play chess is unfair either yet here we are

[sage crag]

I think what might be throwing you off is that 5.9 is less than 5.11, so the result is negative

[opaque wharf]

Maybe they use dot as separator for coordinate

[sage crag]

iso standard

nice

[midnight sigil]

I'm thinking of how do I implement the reading stack and all the address thing now, when I'm half asleep(as always).

my idea requires me to expend the current AWA5.0 8-bits standard to 9-bits, and I want to maintain backward compatibility

this is where all the windows shenanigans start

[tender river]

the worst part is that its nearly correct, but it does 5.9-6.11 instead of 5.9-5.11

[sage crag]

what are you doing that requires you to make a 9 bit int

[opaque wharf]

Backward compatibility is nice. But I think making it 9-bit will make it a bit hard to maintain

[desert plaza]

"the math is correct."

[tender river]

aa

[rigid snow]

antialiasing

[desert plaza]

aabb

[sage crag]

yeah i did the maths myself

for me it came out to the bar being about 83% too tall

[tender river]

what.

python repl doesnt use readline anymore???

[sage crag]

erf

[tender river]

erf

https://github.com/python/cpython/issues/118840

nice embed

i'm leaving it only because i'm baffled by how useless it is

[rigid snow]

The Python programming language

[sage crag]

open source devs when

[rough bloom]

CPython used by one package
the Python ecosystem is gone

[tender river]

[sage crag]

replace python with hblang

[rigid snow]

surely github can spare some compute to generate an og image for each issue

[sage crag]

nyope sorry

[tender river]

the new repl seems better overall but my vi mode

https://peps.python.org/pep-0762/

[sage crag]

vi mode is an anagram for m video

[opaque sigil]

didn't they just yoink the new repl from pypy

actually

pypy is written in rpython it's not like you can just copy paste that

[tender river]

https://www.mvideo.ru/

[rough bloom]

"REPL-acing"

[sage crag]

wow this website gave me skin burns

[tender river]

apply cold water

[opaque wharf]

Been a while since I've last heard this sentence

[sage crag]

dont put cold water on burns

[rigid snow]

are they all in on ecommerce now

tough luck

[opaque wharf]

Instead, put butter and soysauce

(at least in my country the most common myth is butter or soysauce)

[tender river]

sorry cool water englihs

[rigid snow]

soy sauce onto a burn does not sound like a good idea

[tender river]

orange juice on a burn

[rigid snow]

butter does sound kinda nice

[opaque wharf]

Soysauce on charred meat is good for seasoning

[rigid snow]

butter is good for seasoning charred meat genrally

logic checks out

season yourself

[tender river]

i think all store chains were forced to do ecommerce

[rigid snow]

they will forever be known as the physical tech store chain with overpriced tech

nobody orders from them online

[tender river]

okay i have decided i mostly use the repl as a calculator

not as a prototyping tool

so the new repl doesnt provide me any benefits

[rigid snow]

same

[tender river]

off it goes

[rigid snow]

and i mostly use python for its repl

python = calculator

[tender river]

the kind of queries you can find in my python history

[rigid snow]

3*6

[tender river]

11

hmm what is 11 equal to

python please tell me

[rigid snow]

maybe your finger slipped

idk

[tender river]

no

[rigid snow]

3*6 feels more purposeful

[tender river]

theres plenty of expressions like that in there

[rigid snow]

ecit()

[tender river]

i do ^d instead of exit()

[rigid snow]

muscle memory

i like how many times i'm just like nevermind

get me out

[hoary lion]

lmfao what is the purpose of this

[tender river]

refer to

[rigid snow]

this made me realize how much i actually love macos modifiers and shortcuts, even more than i thought

now me swapping the keys around to super, alt, ctrl, space on my pc keyboard isn't enough

i need more

they use the caret as a symbol to refer to the control key on macs it's so cute

windows can never be cute

[sage crag]

4 + 4 + 0

[rigid snow]

what if it's 9

[sage crag]

8 >> 3 (checking if you remember arithmetic shift)

[tender river]

[sage crag]

math.log(36)
36 = 9 * 4
log(9) ≈ 2
log(4) ≈ 1.5
log(36) ≈ 3.5

well, log_3(4) is probably closer to 1.25

but since 3 > e im going to say that 1.5 is closer

[tender river]

4+4+0

[rigid snow]

thi s is not the python repl

[tender river]

its ok konii is here

[desert plaza]

erm where is argc

[opaque wharf]

konii is TV

uorms is the CPU

[desert plaza]

i

don't

know

location of argc

[sage crag]

uhhh

whats the approximate value of zero

[opaque wharf]

Somewhere on the memory (hopefully)

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-blight-batman-beyond-funny-narrow-it-down-gif-25176406

[sage crag]

indirect at esp

then esp+4, esp+8, esp+12, etc are the addresses of each argv

[tender river]

according to python

[rigid snow]

≈ i found it

alt x

[sage crag]

i see

4 ≈ 5 ≈ 10
therefore 4 + 4 + 0 ≈ 20

[rigid snow]

what's the logic though apple

4 ≈ 5 ≈ 10
wow

[sage crag]

4 is close to 5, 5 rounds up to 10

[rigid snow]

what are you rounding up to

[sage crag]

also 4 ≈ 0 so 4 + 4 + 0 ≈ 0

so 20 ≈ 0

[rigid snow]

multiples of 10

or powers of 10

[tender river]

thanks i trust your maths

[rigid snow]

then 4 ≈ 5 ≈ 10 ≈ 1

[sage crag]

the small

[rigid snow]

wait then just 4 ≈ 1

so 2

and 2 ≈ 1 so 1

[sage crag]

4 is x for small values of x

✅

[sage crag]

@desert plaza i forgot to say, esp of the first stack frame of the program

so the entrypoint

[desert plaza]

yeah

i'm gonna try look for it on the stack again

probably won't find it

[sage crag]

it should be the first thing on the stack

[desert plaza]

hmm

oh

found it

[sage crag]

vedalYes

vedalYes

[rigid snow]

not fair

i can't send that

!vedalYes

[hard raptor]

Oh nyooo

[rigid snow]

💀 those wh

[sage crag]

@tender river please make a vedalYes

[rigid snow]

💀

vedаlYes

i figured it out

[sage crag]

[tender river]

?

[rigid snow]

[desert plaza]

i have now replaced du with my own handmade executable

it's a bit bloated though

[sage crag]

thanmks

[rigid snow]

i have applied to moth

[desert plaza]

saving a total of 7ms

stonks

[sage crag]

now run it on /usr/bin/clang

[desert plaza]

huh?

[desert plaza]

run filesz on clang?

wdym

[sage crag]

yes

time it against du

[desert plaza]

also, i'm on nix, that's not where clang would be installed

[tender river]

time it against $(readlink $(command -v clang))

[desert plaza]

uhh

[desert plaza]

same real times as previous test

file size irrelevant

which makes sense

[tender river]

are you using stat

[desert plaza]

nah

lseek

[tender river]

bwa

[desert plaza]

whar

[tender river]

bwa

[sage crag]

why

[desert plaza]

wdym

[sage crag]

stat or fstat would be faster

[desert plaza]

how come

[sage crag]

using lseek to jump to the end of the file vs using fstat to get inode data or something

though i will say fstat may only have as much resolution as the fs block size

unsure

[desert plaza]

hmm i see

will have to make a stat version

and test it against lseek

[sage crag]

can you try these test cases:
/
/path/to/fake/file
/dev/urandom
/dev/null

[desert plaza]

gimme a bec

[tender river]

benub

[desert plaza]

size of /dev/urandom and /dev/null are zero

[tender river]

dont believe k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtm6ikBIl0g

[sage crag]

why

[desert plaza]

idk

[sage crag]

(because they are special)

[desert plaza]

well of course

me when i read the size of infinite random bytes

[sage crag]

/dev/{u,}random are not "real" files

reading them results in random bytes but its a behaviour built into the kernel, the files themselves dont contain anything

[desert plaza]

i have no exception handling but still faster

[desert plaza]

yuh true ik

[sage crag]

i can make du in an even smaller program

[opaque wharf]

This is giving off AWA5.0 energy

[sage crag]

execve du

[sage crag]

how

[opaque wharf]

No exception handling because the program is perfect

[desert plaza]

i wouldn't call my filesz perfect, 271 bytes is way too big

[sage crag]

ĥ

[opaque wharf]

What is h kets?

H hat?

[sage crag]

magnet

[opaque wharf]

Whatever the ^ character is called

[sage crag]

caret

[opaque wharf]

Ohh

I thought caret is the vertical cursor when we type

[sage crag]

like carrot

[sage crag]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caret

[opaque wharf]

Interesting

[desert plaza]

erm...

[sage crag]

(1 << 31) - 1

[desert plaza]

oh

welp

lseek would never lie to me

[sage crag]

try running it on another directory

may well be a directory behaviour

[desert plaza]

yuh, all directories seem to return the same value

only works on files

[sage crag]

will likely work differently with fstat

[tender river]

[sage crag]

16777216T

2025-08-10

03:07:18

[tender river]

 tmp

[sage crag]

📁 tmp

[tender river]

no

its  tmp

[sage crag]

mm

[tender river]

tofu

[desert plaza]

16777216T mhm

?

[tender river]

[desert plaza]

[rigid snow]

16777216T

[desert plaza]

16777216T

16777216T

[small anvil]

how u got every file on the internet stored in your temp folder

[lapis wraith]

You downloaded ram?

[rigid snow]

she downloaded everything

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/tardis-gif-4971381

[noble zodiac]

Im crashing out, why is the barcode detection api still not implemented in the big browsers besides on macos

[tender river]

polyfills

[opaque sigil]

why is barcode detection even a browser api

[noble zodiac]

But hey at least it works in edge on macos

[opaque sigil]

i guess on mobile it could be useful actually

[tender river]

because it can be implemented somewhat efficiently on phones using native code and potentially even builtin soc features

[noble zodiac]

oh its working on phones no problem

[opaque wharf]

Why are you sending tofu?

[noble zodiac]

except for mobile firefox ofc

https://caniuse.com/mdn-api_barcodedetector

[opaque wharf]

Because the web should be able to do everything

[noble zodiac]

being able to scan a qrcode is not that crazy of an ability

[opaque wharf]

Being able to connect to Bluetooth device is tho

[rigid snow]

not a single human uses mobile firefox

[opaque sigil]

i do

[rigid snow]

android should force everyone to use native webview like they do on ios

[tender river]

i used to until i stopped using android

[rough bloom]

I use mobile Firefox sometimes because userscripts

[rigid snow]

just so mobile firefox actually becomes a real browser

[tender river]

didnt eu force apple to allow other engines

[rigid snow]

skill issue, i have userscripts in safari

[rigid snow]

if you hear "apple forced to do X in EU" you can immediately disregard that if you don't live in the EU

it's apple, they only know how to maliciously comply

of course they're going to regionlock it to the eu

and make the experience of said thing as miserable as they legally can

[rigid snow]

and apple's regionlocking is top tier

geofencing

whatever, point is you'd have to deploy gps spoofers at your house

if you want to trick it

[desert plaza]

i'm not a human mhm

[rough bloom]

yeah, I know there are ways to do userscripts on iOS
I just don't have to care because I'm allowed the option of using Firefox sometimes

[rigid snow]

"ways" you download an extension from the app store

[rough bloom]

idk I don't use Safari

[rigid snow]

based tbh

but still it's a good browser (not firefox)

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1232413936075280466.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=evilWYSI

[fast pagoda]

man chrome doesnt suckolate so much ram up on linux but hot damn that's quite a bit of virtual swap

just a cool 25tb allocated

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

[olive sable]

ok this is getting ridiculous

im basicly doing 4 seperate backends now

[fast pagoda]

clean the clean up

[olive sable]

wdym clean the clean up?

[fast pagoda]

i just saw several different cleanups

and said that

because i am actually famous rapper xzibit

[olive sable]

you saw 2

and they need to be 2 seperate functions

[rough bloom]

why 4
you should only have to do webgpu and webgl regardless of platform

[olive sable]

running webgpu on local is a waste

[rough bloom]

OpenGL and WebGL are already the same for you because of Emscripten
for WebGPU on native you can compile with Dawn or webgpu-native

[fast pagoda]

i saw the word clean 4 times and looked no further

that's all i know

[opaque wharf]

It's vulkan tho

Vulkan for native build and probably OpenGL (for web and mobile)

[olive sable]

opengl for native, webgl for web

[nocturne olive]

SoSilly

[olive sable]

you'd think they're almost identical but sadly they're not

[opaque wharf]

Wait, you're not doing vulkan then?

[olive sable]

i am

i misread your message

so

vulkan for native, with opengl as a fallback

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

webgpu on web, with webgl as a fallback

[nocturne olive]

I assume for users with support for more than one backend they can select one in the settings?

[olive sable]

that is the plan

but ill see

[nocturne olive]

Cool stuff

So if someone for some reason has bad Vulkan performance they can try OpenGL

[olive sable]

thats hopefully what ill end up with

[fading forum]

beautiful

[olive sable]

you think so?

[tender river]

would look fine with good brackets

[olive sable]

nah his looks wrong

[tender river]

else has to be on the same line as the previous closing brace

[olive sable]

uh

no

[opaque wharf]

I think the best way to do it is compiling a different compilation unit rather than using compile time config

[olive sable]

what?

[opaque wharf]

You see, the function signature is the same. They take no argument and return nothing. So a header file can contain the declaration, and 2 cpp file can contain the different implementation

When compiling, you just don't compile the other file

But I don't know if that is more or less jank than compile switch

[olive sable]

that would mean maintianing another main.cpp tho

[opaque wharf]

Nvm

[rigid snow]

i didn't even notice, that's psychotic
sam if you're doing allman braces at least do them normally, what the fuck is a ```c
}
else {

[opaque wharf]

That solution was stupid

[opaque wharf]

I told you this is Sam's bracket style

[rigid snow]

what is this

why are ifs normal

[olive sable]

no that is not my bracket style

chay said put the brackets not on a newline

i tried it

i hated it

this isnt x formerly know as twitter, i dont need to get blamed for every single thing

[rigid snow]

allman would be ```c
if (cond)
{
// ...
}
else
{

what are you doing?

[olive sable]

that is what im doing

[rigid snow]

it's not

[olive sable]

if you would jsut scroll up to here

[olive sable]

then read this part

[rigid snow]

oh

so chay is the psycho

got it

[olive sable]

apparently chay wants me to put the else not on a newline either

but she only mentioned it afterwards

yall are so quick to put me in line for the firing squad, jesus christ

[rigid snow]

calling out using a particular code formatting style = firing squad

mhm

[olive sable]

yes

[opaque wharf]

Well, why not?

[olive sable]

i may not be the best person but i dont deserve that i feel

[sage crag]

ayaya

[olive sable]

ayaya

[sage crag]

yayay

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, fair point. What should I eat for breakfast then?

[olive sable]

jelly donuts

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I want something sweet but not donuts I think

PB&J it is

[olive sable]

ive never had peanut butter

unless reese's cups count, i had about 8 of thsoe in my life

[opaque wharf]

Well, it's just peanut sauce basically

[olive sable]

ye i cant really imagine how peanut sauce would taste

its more of a if you know you know

[opaque wharf]

I see the image of Reese's Cup, I think the texture is different from peanut butter

[opaque wharf]

Finally, RFC 9807

I've been waiting for it to be published

[rigid snow]

gpt-5 is kinda assertive and very quick to brush off my stupid ideas and come up with its own thing, which is a first for me with llms

pleasantly surprised

the stupid ideas that every other llm will call brilliant

that's a lot of l's

[rigid snow]

like i asked it about one thing and the question was like two paragraphs, and in the response the first sentence was like "yeah no i'd strongly recommend this other thing" and architected the whole separate thing for me

completely disregarded the question but for the better

[opaque wharf]

Isn't that what they advertised too? Like, now the LLM won't just say no to instruction for harmful thing but instead provide high level overview only rather than the specific step by step

Try asking how to make a TNT for example

[rigid snow]

idk what they advertised nor do i care

consuming ai marketing is not something i do

[opaque wharf]

I don't even use them I just watch technews from Linus Media lol

[rigid snow]

LMAO

[opaque wharf]

LMAO indeed

[real sierra]

https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs

[sage crag]

get back here you

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I remember that lol

[sage crag]

bnub

[tender river]

shiroooooo

[hoary lion]

who is this

[opaque wharf]

All of those "in minecraft" has finally poison LLM training data

[opaque wharf]

Just try pinging the person if you want lol

[hoary lion]

@uneven pulsar bro dont ignore my wave

[rigid snow]

@uneven pulsar cafebabe clears

[hoary lion]

i think there should be discord policy of punishing people that does not wave back

[midnight sigil]

change from awascii to ascii

[olive sable]

shiro back

[midnight sigil]

hbd shibo

[real sierra]

[midnight sigil]

[real sierra]

is nice to see you all

[hoary lion]

happy birthday

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

I'm just thinking of using the start indicator(first awa) to indicate the version of awalang

if it's awa do legacy, if awawa then use my new instructions and stuff

I need to make awalang an actually useable thing

[desert plaza]

AWA5.0 needs an ABI for arbitrary system access

[opaque wharf]

This is not a bad idea actually

[opaque wharf]

It is planned, yes. Just look at caibi repo

[desert plaza]

[desert plaza]

but what kind of implementation

[opaque wharf]

Idk, it is just planned

[desert plaza]

ok

[midnight sigil]

what do you mean by this?

[desert plaza]

wdym wdim

[midnight sigil]

[desert plaza]

like making os syscalls using prn op for example

[midnight sigil]

yea that's there

[desert plaza]

huh where's there

[midnight sigil]

printing bubbles to stdout

with std::cout

[desert plaza]

but like

make any syscall

[midnight sigil]

but why

[desert plaza]

compatibility with base spec

the one could make any program with the base spec

[midnight sigil]

I get what you mean now

[desert plaza]

yeahhh

and have os resource access mhm

[midnight sigil]

are you telling me there're potatos that can't handle modern c++

[stark needle]

chat nvidia is such a scam

my dad's company got a partnership with em and like

[desert plaza]

currently processing this sentence, please wait...

[stark needle]

they give him like 30% off DGX machines

that's a whole 100k$ discount

[desert plaza]

i still don't understand

potato

?

[opaque wharf]

Well, they are just playing by the law of economic

[opaque wharf]

You're both talking about entirely different thing

uorms is talking about how AWA will access the underlying hardware resource when running in an OS, while cai is talking about resource usage

For example, accessing disk, gpu, or maybe network

Not just hardware resource to be fair, but ye, both of you get the point

[midnight sigil]

[desert plaza]

i understand my point

but

caibi is confusing

[wide flicker]

bricked popato

[opaque wharf]

Because you're both talking about different thing

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[opaque wharf]

Imma just continue my work on the RFC implementation

[desert plaza]

OPAQUE

[round berry]

yep very helpful for my google sheets formula, thanks, that is how it works

[opaque wharf]

Yep, mostly checking stuff to make sure it is still passing the test vector

I like that OPAQUE performs the heavy computation on the client side rather than server side (the key stretching function)

[midnight sigil]

hardware access

it's too far from now

AWA5.0 doesn't even have complete control of its stack

[desert plaza]

what

[midnight sigil]

awa programs now are deterministic, since you can only write into the stack, there's no way of reading it

[desert plaza]

you cannot access data in the stack??

[midnight sigil]

yea, for now

[desert plaza]

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to AWA5.0

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

And there's only 1 bubble abyss, so no scratch pad

[desert plaza]

AWA5.0 is perfect

[opaque wharf]

It is

[midnight sigil]

Bubble Address soon™

[opaque wharf]

Bubble depth*

How deep the bubble is in the abyss

[midnight sigil]

naming expert

[desert wave]

reading data from the stack is available in our premium level Stack-as-a-Service subscription

[warped narwhal]

It would be funny if you had to push the delta that you want to read, and then it will read the value. Aka push 2, read. Would get the value 2 down the stack

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

wot?

why

isn't http built on top of tcp

if they can handle 4000 http requests per min, why 120 per min for tcp

[opaque wharf]

You can have more than one request-response within a single tcp connection tho

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/rwk-priest-crow-awawawawa-awa-azumanga-daioh-gif-24354610

[rigid snow]

yeah a request and a connection are different

even with http more often than not all of your requests are sent through one connection

and by “more often than not” i mean in 99.9% of the cases

http 1.1+ does that implicitly

[pulsar edge]

I love windows file transfer

[fast pagoda]

that's why i refuse to initiate file transfers on anything with smol files

everything MUST be in a .tar at minimum even w/o compression

just so it sends as a "single blob"

[midnight sigil]

so I can stay alive forever

[opaque wharf]

Theoretically, yes

[opaque wharf]

I think that's just because of how the protocol is an application layer protocol rather than transport layer

[stark needle]

nvidia b200 is insane

10000 tokens per sec throughput on GPT-OSS 120b

[fast pagoda]

i ran stable diffusion on one for the lulz and it was basically realtime video output

the least consistent video ever made but

[stark needle]

lmaooo

fast inference

[fast pagoda]

hot damn

[stark needle]

for a 120b llm

[fast pagoda]

we're reaching slop levels never thought possible

[stark needle]

this is crazy

[stark needle]

i'm using gpt as a rlhf rater

[fast pagoda]

well

[stark needle]

lmao

[fast pagoda]

it's 5b active right?

[stark needle]

yea

[fast pagoda]

so that'll definitely help

[stark needle]

but still it needs to gather all experts

[fast pagoda]

yeah it's just the most gatekeeped 5b ever

[stark needle]

so like it's 5b but 5b different for all

[fast pagoda]

but once you can hold all the cooks in the kitchen

theyre COOKIN

[stark needle]

best 5am activity

doing this

[fast pagoda]

mmmm

[stark needle]

while listening to shondo asmr for some reason

[fast pagoda]

"some reason"

living the dream

[stark needle]

nah it's cause

i'm being a bit schizo rn so i cant sleep

[fast pagoda]

slop goes in (your head)
slop comes out (14k tokens/s from gpt oss)

cant explain that

[stark needle]

i've turned behind me at leaast 50 times

[fast pagoda]

i find myself being able to relate to this more than i probably should

being up for like

2-3 days

sometimes

on that last day

man i am talkin

to nobody

[stark needle]

i'm on meds against this

but

i think i need a higher dose lol

[fast pagoda]

i thought basically the entire sum total of all my coworkers has visited me in my office overnight and been disappointed in what they found

was pretty convinced

[stark needle]

man the schizo i had once was insane

like

i had this like delusion where

i was thinking of a plan on how to extract hallucinations from people to put them in a zoo and make huge amounts of money

this was after not sleeping for idk

[fast pagoda]

sounds feasible AND ethical

[stark needle]

yeah

top 5 ways to make money passively

[fast pagoda]

bankers hate this one weird trick

[stark needle]

man i'm so friggin anxious cause

i am running this on a preemptible instance

so any second could get preempted

[fast pagoda]

that thing stopping suddenly somehow seems like it would have the weight of a freight train behind it even tho obviously it doesnt work like that

[stark needle]

fr

[fast pagoda]

surely ill fix this year old wezterm bug right now on a whim

[stark needle]

reached 11k

[fast pagoda]

35th time this has comeup after a build

damn

[stark needle]

oh yeah afunyun did i tell u

[fast pagoda]

terminal is just flying by

[stark needle]

about the nvidia dgx scam

[fast pagoda]

answer is prob no ive been away

[stark needle]

so basically my dad got a partnership with nvidia

and they offer him

[fast pagoda]

i got mad at those when they were not $3000 but $4000

[stark needle]

30 whole ass percent off dgx machines

[fast pagoda]

:o

[stark needle]

that's a 200k$ discount

[fast pagoda]

oh we're tlaking

a DGX

not a spark or some weak shit but like a unit

[stark needle]

yeah

a b200/h200 dgx

[fast pagoda]

8x?

[stark needle]

yea

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-hearteyes-eyes-tom-and-gif-24318898

[stark needle]

also my dad bought a bunch of dgx spark

[fast pagoda]

cluster?

can i marry your dad

[stark needle]

no hes married already

[fast pagoda]

maybe he's married but looking for more

loike me

im more

[stark needle]

we have 2 of these at home

[fast pagoda]

i was just looking at those longingly at microcenter

[stark needle]

has 64gb memory

it's actually not too bad

35t/s on gpt oss 20b

unoptimized

[fast pagoda]

i was briefly looking irresponsibly at getting a couple minis with the AI MAX 395+ (128gb ram) part in there

[stark needle]

the most insane thing is ml training on this

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

u can train gemma 12b on 30k thingies in 30h

not too bad for it's size

[fast pagoda]

oh i remember after running on like my 3080 training echo

[midnight sigil]

more than a day

[fast pagoda]

adn then just cranking the config on a b200

and it took like

20 minutes

for something my pc took 12 hours for

[stark needle]

😭

[fast pagoda]

i was like wut it's done

yep

it was lora training but i pushed it to the point that it was training like 75% of this 4b

[stark needle]

my dad is apparently gonna hire me once further seed round as a ml engineer

free CV stuff yay

[pulsar edge]

you're so much smarter than me

I'm just gonna use 7zip instead

[fast pagoda]

welcome to the wonderful world of "1 big file = wayyyy faster than 200,000 small ones"

[pulsar edge]

yeah ik

I've done it before too, but for some reason I didn't do it this time

[fast pagoda]

use lz4, it's a lot faster than 7z's algorithm unless you're using lz4 thru 7z

if you dont need to actually compress it a ton

lz4 crunch though like GB/s+ if you multithread it

[pulsar edge]

lz4 isn't an option in 7z

[fast pagoda]

oh damn i figured it would be for some reason

[pulsar edge]

well this external hdd can't do GB/s so

[fast pagoda]

yeahhhh that's the killer

externals are so cheap now

i was so close to buying a 26tb hdd last week

because it was

$250

less than $10/tb

eerr

tb

and there's a bunch of nand ssd externals around