programming

[opaque sigil]

ok bad bracket man, whatever you say

[olive sable]

i love glsl

glsl is my top g

say what you want about the brackets, but when it comes to graphics i know what im doing

i didnt get to 11111FPS without whispering to the shader gods

[opaque sigil]

idk i wouldn't know either way

[karmic schooner]

shaders are like a mystic art

[olive sable]

no they're not

they're easy as fuck

you see his shader here?

#version 300 es
precision highp float;

layout (location = 0) in vec2 aPos;

void main()
{
    gl_Position = vec4(aPos, -1.0, 1.0);
}

you get the vertex position in, and you put it back out as a gl_Position vec4

boom

triangles

[karmic schooner]

tell that to the guy who made the Minecraft bloodborne mod

[opaque sigil]

if only all shaders were this simple

[olive sable]

complicasted shaders are jsut easy shaders but more math

this is the most complicated vertex shader in my program

#version 300 es
precision highp float;
precision highp int;

layout (std140) uniform PROJ {mat4 projection;};
layout (std140) uniform VIEW {mat4 view;};
layout (std140) uniform cam  {vec3 campos;};

uniform sampler2D noisemap;
uniform ivec2 forward;
uniform float time;
uniform vec2 playerpos;

out float dis;
out float height;

const int power = 8;
const int rows = 1 << power;
const int halfrow = 1 << (power - 1);
const vec3 vertices[5] = vec3[5]
(
    vec3(-0.1, 0, 0),
    vec3(0.1, 0, 0),
    vec3(-0.075, 0.25, 0),
    vec3(0.075, 0.25, 0),
    vec3(0, 0.5, 0)
);

void main()
{
    int group = gl_InstanceID >> 2 * power;
    float density = (1.0/8.0) * float(1 << group);

    int id = gl_InstanceID  & (rows * rows - 1);
    int x = id & (rows - 1);
    int y = id >> power;

    bool swap = abs(forward.y) > abs(forward.x);
    ivec2 base = swap ? ivec2(x, y) : ivec2(y, x);

    base -= halfrow;
    base *= sign(forward) | ivec2(1);
    base += forward;

    vec2 grid = vec2(base) * density;
    dis = dot(grid, grid) * 0.00005;

    grid += floor(campos.xz);
    vec2 rnd = texture(noisemap, grid * 0.01).xy;
    grid += rnd;

    vec3 vpos = vertices[gl_VertexID];
    vpos.y *= rnd.x + 1.0;
    height = vpos.y * 2.0;

    vec2 direction = grid - playerpos;
    float dist = length(direction);
    float effect = clamp(dist, 0.0, 1.0);

    grid += height * (1.0 - effect) * direction * 2.0;
    grid.x += height * effect * sin(time + grid.x + grid.y - height) * 0.2;

    vec4 worldpos = view * vec4(grid.x, 0.0, grid.y, 1.0) + vec4(vpos, 0);
    gl_Position = projection * worldpos;
}

its not even that bad

[karmic schooner]

What does that look like with visuals

[olive sable]

old video tho

kinda like this

im working on vulkan now

that big shader is responsible for the grass

[karmic schooner]

oohhh

grass so wavy

[olive sable]

262144 blades of grass

[desert plaza]

the lack of low-pass-filered song

[olive sable]

i was getting kinda tired of that

[desert plaza]

[south needle]

@stark needle ?

[gritty dust]

You gotta make more

[olive sable]

im working on the vulkan rn

its cool in some ways, but its also a lot of work

dont underestimate it

the entire reason game companies stopped making their own custome ngines is cuz its not cost effective

"anme like" im assumign you're refering to cell shading?

its kinda in the name, but that aslo uses shaders

the concept of "anime assets" doenst exist

you have your mesh, the texture, and the shader. you need all 3

this?

its low poly sure, but the graphics are not simple

they have both shadowmapping and a particle system

you're both underestimating how much work goes into graphics and how much a phone can handle these days

[rigid snow]

i was complaining about how unnecessarily much compute iphones have the other day

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

like the new iphones have rt cores

[olive sable]

i dont mind having a lot of compute but i aint paying fot 32 cores on my phone

[rigid snow]

like what and why

..??!

[opaque sigil]

doesn't the latest snapdragon chip have rt cores too

[olive sable]

probably

[rigid snow]

i don't understand mobile gaming and i never will

[maiden geyser]

new iphones have RE village

and like, death stranding

[opaque sigil]

okay the last couple gens have had hardware rt support apparently

[olive sable]

lemme enable raytracing, iphone explodes like a note 7

[rigid snow]

yes id like to play a videogame by tapping a slippery burning hot brick with a tiny screen

??

[opaque sigil]

oh i know why i remembered rt cores, the weird amd gpu in my exynos phone has hardware rt support

[opaque sigil]

ever heard of a controller

i guess the small screen part remains but it's not like you need a giant screen on the go

[olive sable]

"The rt cores were introduced with the Snapdragon 8 Gen 2" huh

i guess with vulkan its possible

direct x and unreal dont run nativly, but vulkan has ios and android support

[rigid snow]

why wouldn't unreal run natively

[opaque sigil]

huh i thought unreal had android support

[rigid snow]

they totally do

genshin and fortnite come to mind

[olive sable]

oh wait it does

nevermind

i forgot they added that

since android 14 iirc

[rigid snow]

what

i remember playing fortnite when the latest one was 9 or something

on android

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

2018

[olive sable]

nah im wrong

ue support has been on android for a while\

but they changed it so playstore apps need to target andorid 14 or above

and since then the UE engine sdk needs to be 34 or higher

thats what i was thinking baout

also, i thought about how ue5 uses dx11/12, but for mobile it just switches over to vulkan

[opaque sigil]

it's not like they have a choice

[olive sable]

true

[rigid snow]

they do, there is also metal

[olive sable]

nobody likes metal

vedal discovered the observer effect

[opaque sigil]

i heard mainly good things about metal

[rigid snow]

considering my recent experience with apple apis, not surprising

[opaque sigil]

not that i've ever used it

[olive sable]

ye ive never used it either

[rigid snow]

i don't think many people have used it

directly at least

[olive sable]

i dislike it purely on the basis of apple making everything difficult for us graphics programmers for no reason

[rigid snow]

wait no actually custom shaders in ios apps is kinda a thing

some people have tried it mhm

[rigid snow]

there's still opengl

and the vk compat thing

[opaque sigil]

the paid one?

wait no

[rigid snow]

isn't it open source

[opaque sigil]

moltenvk was the "official" one, there was another one iirc

https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK

oh

moltenVK used to be paid

[opaque wharf]

Man, watching vedal play is very tempting to backseat lmao

[olive sable]

i mean its by khronosgroup, so it is actually official

maybe not on apple's side but khronos made opengl and vulkan

[opaque sigil]

yeah they took it over in 2018

and i guess made it open source

[rigid snow]

sam your game engine will run on anything

[olive sable]

no, it ownt run on a commodore 64

bwaa

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

r

[iron dirge]

Anyone need any math utility functions. The programming part of my brain has been itching but it's been too hot to do anything big.

[sage crag]

yes, write more fully recursive math functions

[opaque wharf]

Make a math utility that parses string of math notation and evaluate that

[sage crag]

u16 i_sqrt_r(u16 n, u16 odd, u16 count) {
    if (n < odd) return count;
    return i_sqrt_r(n - odd, odd + 2, count + 1);
}

u16 i_sqrt(u16 x) {
    return i_sqrt_r(x, 1, 0);
}

i still find this piece of code beautiful

[iron dirge]

How complex are we talking. I've dabbled in custom scripting so this would be doable. Also what language.

[tender river]

farming chat engagement smh

[olive sable]

give me a raycast non-axis-aligned aabb collision algorithm that returns the distance to the object and the normal of the side we collided with

[sage crag]

whjat do you mean launch

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/costco-hotdog-solana-costcodogsol-hotdogsareincontrol-gif-7096440661106906009

[opaque wharf]

Honestly, don't do it lmao. Unless you have the need to evaluate arbitrary math function

[rigid snow]

package your python app into a zip and prepend a shebang to it and that zip will also be executable

launching a zip is more cursed

[sage crag]

different program

this is not part of autodiff.py

obviously

[iron dirge]

Okay this is outside my wheelhouse. My best area is trigonometry. (Eg. i once wrote code to determine the first collision of a line from point a to point b with an array of circles defined as center coordinate and radius)

[olive sable]

okay

[iron dirge]

Ended up actually figuring out a few methods.

Kept realizing "hey this could be simpler"

[olive sable]

this is the code i have for axis aligned bounding boxes

but a want non axis aligned boundinbox math

[rigid snow]

intellij update nuked all of my extensions

[opaque wharf]

Do a coordinate transformation

[sage crag]

you do trig to normalise it to axis and then do the

yeh

[olive sable]

what?

[olive sable]

huh

so like you rotate the world to make the collision box axis aligned?

[sage crag]

fairy wasps

[olive sable]

?

[iron dirge]

Something akin to a floating origin. Never tried it myself but I'm familiar with the concept

[olive sable]

floating origin means having the origin move around witht he player cuz there is more precision around 0,0,0

or well, less floating point errors at least

i dont see how it aplies here tho?

[iron dirge]

I said "something akin to" not "exactly like" they're in the same ballpark.

[olive sable]

ah

ok

[sage crag]

a awa a

[olive sable]

w waw w

if a is 0 and w is 1

then awa is binary

[iron dirge]

11011= 27

[opaque wharf]

You're so close to understanding awalang

[sage crag]

no, not even close

wtf is an awatism

[olive sable]

a what?

[sage crag]

an awatism

[opaque wharf]

Awatism

Awatistic behaviour

[olive sable]

im only 18 yet i have stopped understanding the new slang

[nocturne olive]

I never understood any "slang" terms

[olive sable]

you were born old i guess

[iron dirge]

Keeping up with the evolution of language slowly becomes a more active pursuit over time.

[olive sable]

i dont bother

the new slang always changes, it doesnt stick around

[opaque wharf]

Sam is an unc

[iron dirge]

Also the internet has probably accelerated it. (And may eventually lead to the merging of languages and accents)

[olive sable]

whatever happened to bussin?

[nocturne olive]

Who knows
Or maybe just the fact I only came onto internet communities because of Neuro and have no precence outside of Neuro community, and almost always use formal English

[sage crag]

with the way the internet is currently going i wont be surprised if the global internet as we know it doesnt exist in some years time

[sage crag]

contemporary internet slang comes and goes as fast as internet memes

[opaque wharf]

No more Neuro?

[olive sable]

as devs we surely can find a workaround to the current stuff

but ye we're transitioning to 1984

[sage crag]

quick someone bring up gpt-5 benchmark results so we dont trip the rule 3 detector

[tender river]

graph wrong

[sage crag]

graph wrong

[olive sable]

i asked gpt 5 to fix my makefile, and it made the problem worse

so uh

bad

gpt 5 gets a dislike form me

[sage crag]

to be fair if you asked me to fix your makefile i would just delete it

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

awa

[olive sable]

ended up with this after going to gpt4

its fine

[sage crag]

its so right to delete this

[opaque sigil]

this looks like it's about time to switch to a new build system

[olive sable]

nah

[sage crag]

yes write ./x

read it and weep

[opaque sigil]

is that the rust bootstrap script

[tender river]

old x

[opaque sigil]

oh it's not

[olive sable]

trailing tabs

ew

[sage crag]

i dont run a formatter on my code

lol

[sage crag]

its tiny

[sage crag]

*i would if python formatters didnt convert my tabs into spaces

bwa

[olive sable]

then i dont wanne hear shit about how i format my code from you

[sage crag]

do as i say not as i do

[olive sable]

konii the hypocrite

[desert plaza]

spaces > tabs

[olive sable]

i like spaces yes

[sage crag]

if you look to the bottom you can see this gem

if __name__ == "__main__":
    try: main(
        "e25a0683e6ee1fb31997aec3fc5d690e42af5c53", "https://git.ablecorp.eu/mlokis/hblang.git",
        ["-Doptimize=ReleaseSafe"],
        {"lily": src_dir / "lib.hb"},
        [], []
    )
    except Exception as e: die(str(e))

[olive sable]

ye idk what im looking at

[sage crag]

try: thing()
except Exception as e: die(str(e))

[nocturne olive]

Overfitted to benchmarks moment

[sage crag]

no one ever agrees with me about spaces and tabs

[iron dirge]

I don't get anyone who prefers spaces over tabs.

Bloated files (mainly an issue with uncompiled languages)

More room for hard to spot syntax errors (for languages that are strict about indentation)

Feels less professional (personal opinion)

[sage crag]

[desert plaza]

i'm not shocked

[sage crag]

bloated files is a non issue, its 1 byte per space

hard-to-spot syntax errors arent a thing unless you mix tabs and spaces

[opaque wharf]

Language that depends on indentation is the cursed one not the space fault

[sage crag]

and all professional python code uses spaces because they use autopep8 or black to format

[opaque wharf]

I've always said it here and I will say it again. Semantic space in programming language is a mistake and can go die into oblivion

[sage crag]

gotta love the handmade logging implementation though right

[iron dirge]

Yes but 4 spaces is more than one tab so the bloat is proportional to the number of lines and the average indentation depth

[sage crag]

again, the bloat is a non-issue

[olive sable]

i like spaces cuz it means im not forced to indent by a full tab when i put stuff on a newline

and doing tabs first and then a space or 3 after is cursed

[sage crag]

i use tab size 2

[olive sable]

i dont

[sage crag]

spaces are unneeded

[olive sable]

they are

[sage crag]

noe

[opaque wharf]

Use tab size 1 so tab = space

[tender river]

konii you're so right

[iron dirge]

One too few spaces in a massive file

[sage crag]

btw did you know that semicolon between statements is valid python

[olive sable]

yes

[sage crag]

you have this thing called a formatter that formats code

[olive sable]

you just sai u dont use that

[sage crag]

yes because i dont have problems with spaces

(because im better)

[olive sable]

dontleave trailing spaces tho

[sage crag]

my files can have some trailing spaces as a treat

[olive sable]

mine absolutly cant

[sage crag]

boring

[olive sable]

they must be clean and proper

or they go in the bin

[opaque wharf]

Says the one with allman bracket

[olive sable]

allman was a man, who was also an all

and he was a proper gentleman

[sage crag]

why are you writing prose

[olive sable]

what is prose?

[sage crag]

hm, the definition would usually be that its normal speech, but the term prose only really comes up in a playwrite context, so something with a prose vibe is generally a ordinary-styled piece of text that conveys some poetic meaning of sorts

[olive sable]

uh

sure

[sage crag]

[rigid snow]

*playwright

[sage crag]

bwabwabwa

its 10pm its past my new and improved bedtime

[tender river]

konii you are no loger british

be proud

[rigid snow]

you're the british one here supposedly

[olive sable]

what?

did konii get deported?

[sage crag]

i shortly deliberated whether to write wright or write but with no regards to which is right i shortly wrote write

bwa

[opaque wharf]

Watch Neuro till the end

You're part of the swarm

[sage crag]

i have not watched a single second of the stream today

[rigid snow]

based

[sage crag]

im just waiting to stop feeling full before i go to sleep

[olive sable]

knowing konii a bit if she goes to bed now she'l be here again at 4am

[olive sable]

if not earlier

[sage crag]

toll free amongus

[opaque sigil]

at least that way you don't have to have stupid arguments about bracket styles

[sage crag]

bwa

[olive sable]

[iron dirge]

Well nobody had anything for me to help with. Guess time for plan b, revive "un" and hope it doesn't get out of hand.

[opaque wharf]

I prefer having to argue over bracket style than debugging A WHITESPACE CHARACTER

[olive sable]

just remove the whitespace

[opaque sigil]

i can't lie i don't think i've ever in my life run into that

[olive sable]

simple

[opaque wharf]

Yaml

[rigid snow]

i can't imagine you put this meaning in purposely but if among us existed in the 80s-00s time frame that could be a real thing, dialing a multiplayer server with a phone modem (dial up) and the server has a toll free number

[opaque sigil]

oh you're talking about yaml

[rigid snow]

play amogus for free

[opaque sigil]

yeah frick that one

[iron dirge]

I won't be making it in JavaScript this time because JavaScript is my archenemy.

[rigid snow]

javascript loves you

[iron dirge]

Then it should act like it.

[rigid snow]

you just have to learn to love it back

[tender river]

what if you

combined vim and helix

making it so you can type action first or movement first

mhm

[opaque sigil]

isn't that just neovim

oh

[rigid snow]

i have helix from 2022

[tender river]

i have helix from 2025

[rigid snow]

mine is older

which means more mature clearly

[stark needle]

awa

[olive sable]

awa

[opaque sigil]

i have helix from 0

[tender river]

bwa read helix docs, thoughts so far:

• lack of . seems quite annoying, i think multicursors are meant to replace it fair enough i'll try using them
• lack of tabs seemed annoying but i think space-b and gn/gp/ga/etc can replace it for me
• lack of replace mode seems annoying, having to explicitly replace replacement with R instead of just reusing p seems annoying but perhaps it fits helix's workflow better
• erm multicursors will take time to get used to

[dry charm]

[tender river]

wait is there block selection

i suppose that too is meant to be replaced by multicursors

[opaque sigil]

I love multicursors

[sick owl]

Unsloths GPT OSS 20B GGUF got updated yet again

This has been such a bugged release

[glass flower]

it was already pretty alright... i wonder what they changed

[olive sable]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/9eO-LqtoGps\

@faint sandal is this legit?

i mean the IT gibberish he used

[sick owl]

I can confirm that it is in fact actual tech nerd stuff

[olive sable]

[sick owl]

Though you're not gonna be hacking the pentagon using metasploit

[opaque wharf]

Hey, with org that big, who knows

[olive sable]

putting the vulkan into seperate file shas truly been a “I’m not going in blind, I’m just incompetent” experience

but ye i think it works mostly now

im gonna make another seperate file for the command handling tho

[desert plaza]

erm bime to sleep

[olive sable]

ok so i have these subclasses that are kinda supposed to be self-contained to make ownership easier.
but i have subclass 2 using the same struct as subclass 3. so do i need to define the struct in the main class now or make a new struct or?

OOP kinda sucks ngl

for handeling game objects its fine-ish but for this it does not work well

[opaque wharf]

If it doesn't make sense as OOP then don't

[olive sable]

well yes

for class 1 and 2 it made the code a lot cleaner, but that 3rd subclass is bringing ownership issues with the 2nd one

[sick creek]

Hey guys, if I have an idea for Vedal that could help in improving the girls, would this be a good place to present it? Since I can't just DM him. If so, would a ping be warranted?

[nocturne olive]

Make a base class the two lower classes inherit that defines the struct

[olive sable]

def dont ping him

you'l get executed by 7 mods on the spot

[nocturne olive]

Just put it in #1095948590947500113

[olive sable]

apparently class 3 uses a function thats inside class 2

[opaque wharf]

Which is where I said you can checkout mixin

[bitter coral]

I have merged the drag button with the select button because it just makes sense to do so, not really sure how to make it much cleaner without adding groups of layers.

i also should probably actually have it drag rather than swap layers

but that seems annoying to make

[fast pagoda]

We love encapsulation

Until it is suddenly inconvenient

And then we say fug it and break every rule because hard

That's the oop way

[olive sable]

i have figured out a solution but ye

encapsulation be like that sometimes

and its not even that cursed of a solution this time

[sick owl]

Dude Battlefield 6s optimisation is crazy

Haven't seen a game utilise my hardware this well in years

My CPU coolant temp was at 44 degrees C

4k, max settings, DLSS quality, 180~ avg fps

RTX 4090 so spitting distance from an oc'd 5080

[olive sable]

i still woulnt call that well optemized but its a start

[sick owl]

No I mean both my GPU and CPU were near 100% utilisation

[olive sable]

ah

[sick owl]

That's a rare sight these days

It was legitimately squeezing every drop of performance out of my hardware

GPT 5 made a typo

Guess the launch version is about as bugged as GPT OSS's was (and is)

[olive sable]

(what typo?)

[bitter coral]

The first word

[olive sable]

so what is it supposed to be?

[sick owl]

That should say "If you want"

[olive sable]

ohh

[minor crag]

I am stupid

[olive sable]

arent we all?

[minor crag]

My decomp tool was set to a folder named 12

[olive sable]

why 12?

[minor crag]

For convenience i put my decomp tools into 12 as well

One of the tools changed all ogg files to flac then went though all the code and changes every reference of .ogg to .flac

I just tried to run that tool on a different build of the game and it didn't work

Turns out the tool changed the references of .ogg to .flac inside itself so the tool stopped working

[sick owl]

Eesh, those context window stats aint pretty

[minor crag]

I have 12 folders

[olive sable]

okay

[sick owl]

Think I'll stick with local and Google thanks

[minor crag]

Oh crap I bet the asset converter did the same thing

[olive sable]

having to make and maintain a header file for each cpp file is getting bothersome

[karmic schooner]

Sam how are you still awake

[olive sable]

i just am

idk

[tight tinsel]

sam is blue now

[olive sable]

yep

[sick owl]

Not gonna lie, I've found myself using GPT OSS 20B just for the sheer speed I get out of it with 128k token context

[fast pagoda]

rip jim lovell

houston 's problems no longer announced damn

[olive sable]

i have divided the vulkan into 5 separate files now

this works mosly fine

except for

ye idk what happened here

honestly, it probably wont be that bad if i make the separate function calls of the same file a single one inside the file

[midnight sigil]

imagine not writing comments

[olive sable]

the function names are pretty self explenatory

they jsut look like shit cuz they're overcrowded

[hoary lion]

german phonemizing

[olive sable]

what?

[hoary lion]

https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/616

random ass ? appearing

[olive sable]

huh

interesting

[hoary lion]

https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/pull/1929
claimed they fixed it

it better work this time

[olive sable]

surely this one is clean enough

still a lot ov variables passing around but what are you gonna do?

a struct?

cant be bothered for now

the eventual goal is to have as litle as the vulkan stuff in the main file as possible, cuz i want it to fallback to opengl if vulkan isnt available in the user's browser-pc.

[midnight sigil]

Input support

[midnight sigil]

fallback to opengl if vulkan's not supported

[olive sable]

well yes

yall have been saying vulkan isnt well supported on a lot of browsers

[midnight sigil]

cooked

[olive sable]

instead of always doing vulkan_function()
i want to do

if vulkansupport function = vulkan_function
else function = opengl function

function()

[midnight sigil]

doubling the workflow

[olive sable]

it cant be that hard

the opengl stuff will be easy, its the vulkan stuff that will be hard

[midnight sigil]

why do you want vulkan on a web application in the first place

[olive sable]

This game engine is not specifically meant for web

But web support generally makes the amountbof people that play your game 10x

[fast pagoda]

this was exactly the issue btw, it wasn't even a system config it was within the monitor itself i had to disable hdr entirely

it was on like HDR 1000 lol

cosmic and niri apparently do NOT have any sort of colour gamut support yet

well at least cosmic doesnt

[midnight sigil]

I farmed

bro commiting in the future

[fast pagoda]

holy

ask him what happened with the aliens

[jagged turtle]

mhm

chromium icon

speaking of, does someone happen to have the actual chromium icon but with a transparent bg?

[olive sable]

thats what you want to ask someone from the future?

[fast pagoda]

yes

[olive sable]

fine i guess

[midnight sigil]

2k

[olive sable]

i would have gone more for lie thruths of the universe insteads of aliens

cuz aliens are 100% real

[fast pagoda]

but aliens might have the truths

[midnight sigil]

chromium is this

[olive sable]

too muvh blue

[midnight sigil]

blue

[fast pagoda]

ig i had an older one

[midnight sigil]

trust me they'll go for full black and white in the future designs

only the outline as well

[olive sable]

if the humans in the future dont know the thuths from the aliens, then you wont get any from asking baout laiens either

unless you're an alien whisperer

[fast pagoda]

i just wanna find out where the quarians are so i can go romance tali

[olive sable]

hold on i need to google something

brother wha tin the fuck is that?

[fast pagoda]

best romance in mass effect

[olive sable]

these guys?

really?

[fast pagoda]

well i mean the one specific member yes

[jagged turtle]

tyvm

[fast pagoda]

she has likie 10 fingies + toes total which is weird but that's like the only thing
some might find that to be a perk

oh and te whole eternally wearing a bio support suit or dies

[olive sable]

what is mass effect even about that they let you do that?

the devs did not cook

[fast pagoda]

heresy they cooked

just ignore anything after ME3

[olive sable]

i dont wanne hear it from an alien fucker

[hoary lion]

big ass chrome logo visible

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-tali-gif-20136538

[olive sable]

i prefer firefox

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894865038895091743/1401376224630149280/12907412_142ca.gif

fair

chrome eats too much memory

[fast pagoda]

i havent noticed any memory issues from pretty much anything since linux

i used to regularly be using like 30+ gb on desktop

not at all now

[hoary lion]

proof that linux dominates any heavy processes

except gaming

[fast pagoda]

havent had any problems there either

[olive sable]

people have said brave is also good, but that lion logo is kinda e so i dont want it on my taskbar

[fast pagoda]

brave is a psyop

[olive sable]

and opera is just kinda meh

[fast pagoda]

opera is spyware

[hoary lion]

what does this mean?

[olive sable]

its kinda like raid shadow legends, you hear about it so much but nobody uses it

opera does have that vtuber tho

[midnight sigil]

turn off gpu acceleration and you can save 150mb 👍

[fast pagoda]

i installed the google extra spyware infostealer deluxe package a bit ago

and it has this old theme

and i kinda am in for it

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

isnt gpu accelleration supposed to help with video decoding or something?

[fast pagoda]

it means i have no real criticism of it other than saying "that's sus"

i mean yeah

helps with many things

[hoary lion]

ooh

[fast pagoda]

breaks others at times but usually i consider it a net positive unless i dont want it to affect my gpu for some reason

[hoary lion]

i like that vocabulary

[olive sable]

i did have on my old pc that gpu acceleration made me have really weird glitching for some reason.
it may have been cuz the dispaly was connected to the igpu but i dont actually remember if that was then.

[midnight sigil]

I use chrome cuz the big guys up there implement standards faster than the standards itself

[fast pagoda]

that's cuz they probably contributed half the standard

from turning off hdr on this

i found that my monitor has like

game hax built in

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

this feels like bullshit to a high degree

it has a hardcoded crosshair

a built in turbo zoom

whatever this cham mode is

a super brightness toggle

for just like 1 spot in the screen

Binoculars

Cross hair

[olive sable]

oh ye my monitors have that too

i dont see why i would use it but its there

built in fps counter for some reason

i guess cuz of vsync/gsync

[fast pagoda]

Well I can see the cross hair for games that don't allow one

[bitter coral]

classic, Ive used an alienware moniter as well, it broke so im stuck with a small tv.

[fast pagoda]

Ur that's bullshit

But*

Just use the classic tape on the monitor

Lol

[fast pagoda]

Newtonians in shambles

[bitter coral]

I can now duplicate layers... I really should figure out how to make a ui for multiframe layer support

[olive sable]

multiframe as in layers?

no you already have those

animation???

[bitter coral]

as in insert layer will be visible for frame 1, 3,4 and 5.

[fast pagoda]

onions have layers

[bitter coral]

indeed

[olive sable]

[bitter coral]

i need to figure out a ui to support that so i wont have to duplicate a layer every for frame I want it to be visible in.

[bitter coral]

Would my ui still work if I displayed the same Layer twice. I think it will break if I delete it, but it should still be able to tell that the layer is selected.

Actually I think it might just break anyway.

[bitter coral]

It’s not necessarily broken, I just have to change a lot if I want to do that.

I was thinking of a tag system for layers and then grouping by tags, which would mean that there could be multiple of the same layer in the ui when it has multiple tags.

I’m just trying to make a weird version of osu song select for layers it seems.

[midnight sigil]

osu mentioned in #programming

[stark needle]

Google again being turbo based

https://research.google/blog/achieving-10000x-training-data-reduction-with-high-fidelity-labels/

There's no way openai is catching up to how based google is

[fast pagoda]

that was on my discover feed earlier

time to actually read it

[south needle]

what they doin?

[fast pagoda]

super giga curated labeling for datasets

[stark needle]

Actually achieving 10000x training data reduction for alignment

[fast pagoda]

since in production traffic only very few (<1%) ads are actually clickbait.

OOOoookay there googol

[stark needle]

Hi I'm mrbeast please click here for my unique ultra based giveaway of 5000$

[fast pagoda]

google: legitimate approved non clickbait ad

kek this thumbnail i just rolled across

based department folder

[faint sandal]

[fast pagoda]

saw there was a nice winrar 0day earlier

[south needle]

so they are just looking for the sweet spot of training samples

[olive sable]

i wonder where this production traffic is supposedly coming from

since about 30% of my ads are clickbait, they need someone with basicly no clickbait ads to make up the diffrence

[fast pagoda]

just showing that replacing say 100k samples of haphazardly labeled data with 500 REALLY WELL labeled ("expert labeled") samples can yield the same performance or even better

[fast pagoda]

if i ever see ads

which i don't usually

but if i do

it's clickbait

https://tenor.com/view/you-point-finger-point-gif-4918501

[olive sable]

evrythin on my pc is adblocked besides disocrd embeds

and on my phone its mainly yt shorts causing ads

[fast pagoda]

i have never watched a youtube short to my knowledge

[olive sable]

but most of those ads are local ads, so in other words i get ads for bol.com or wijkopenautos.be

not really much clickbait

[fast pagoda]

my favourite

wijkopenautos.be

[olive sable]

litteraly translates to webuycars . be

[fast pagoda]

disguised
we're really not gonna make it are we

[olive sable]

idk why you typed the link tho, id be afraid of an embed

[fast pagoda]

honestly i thought it had for a second when blessing replied lol

[olive sable]

me too

besides the local stuff i get shitty mobile games and ai music/gf ads

[midnight sigil]

https://zunko.jp/voiceger.php

free

[fast pagoda]

at least it seems like ai sloppa has made the turbo low effort stuff EVEN MORE obvious

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

[olive sable]

i mean if i wanted music iddd just ping my homies in my game-dev server and they could pump something out

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

this is so real

give them 10 minutes and they'll give you amazing stems

[olive sable]

i dont know why they work for free but they do and they're amazing

[fast pagoda]

i have highly controversial opinions on 'ai music'

[rigid snow]

i don’t

it’s just boring

[fast pagoda]

a lot of it is

[rigid snow]

well, compared to the real thing at least

in isolation, probably not as boring

[fast pagoda]

it's a tool and combined with the real thing in my opinion it can definitely be something

someone talented already and especially already skilled in music production can make very impressive stuff with it just like anything else

[olive sable]

we use synth for the vocals but besides that no ai.

[fast pagoda]

i think that it works as well as it does suno 4.5+ probably one of the more mindbending and impressive products i've ever seen

[rigid snow]

idk what you’re referring to specifically, is it generated samples, loops, chords or melodies

[fast pagoda]

the entire suite as a whole but even on a base level something like suno

there's levels to it ofc

[olive sable]

i mean if we had someone who could sing or do va stuff for the games then id be down, but i doubt anyone is up for the task.

[rigid snow]

i wouldn’t use anything suno ever generated

it’s not that good

i have never heard it produce actually interesting stuff

idk how to explain it

[olive sable]

its just bland

no interesting sound to it

[rigid snow]

also the way it sounds, it’s very spectral-ly and shimmery?

[fast pagoda]

it's not perfect at all but blanket saying everything it outputs is just bland is coping
you show any random output from it to someone 15 years ago, even someone who is a musician at the time and

1. they'd have no idea it's not human if you didn't tell them
2. they probably wouldn't believe you either

[rigid snow]

lmao that’s just not true, suno in particular has a very distinct sound and is very recognizable

[fast pagoda]

to you because you know what to listen to

[olive sable]

with the whole way ai works it always tries to find the most likely next part of the song. so in general ai music is kinda like the most avarage song possible

[fast pagoda]

and mentioning the shimmer is a specific 4.0 thing that is gone now

[rigid snow]

it is most of the time but i’ve heard it throw curveballs in

but usually they’re bad

[fast pagoda]

you can control how much it throws in now anyways
they do love throwing in some dogshit though and calling it weird

anyways i dont disagree the whole thing is mostly creatively bankrupt and bland

but on the level of "holy shit that's crazy" it is just one of the things that really gives me that feeling fairly often

[olive sable]

their fucking website autoplays music straight down my earcanal

[fast pagoda]

oh that's probably that collaboration radio thing theyre doing

[olive sable]

motherfucker you need to log in after you supposedly generated it

[rigid snow]

sd has all of these interesting things like img2img and infill and whatever, i wish we got an open weights music gen model so i can make it spit out fucked up things like i did with sd

[fast pagoda]

you kinda can

it has many parallels to img2img and such with how covers work now

not NEARLY as configurable

trust me i know

but

[rigid snow]

lost my chain of thought, i was referring to messing with parameters in the second part

not infill and whatever

[olive sable]

ye jsut tried it, its not really soemthing for me

im not really one for those story-based lyrics where they tell you a whole paragraph on the rhythm of the music

also the music genre options were shit

[rigid snow]

but also as a person who’s very much into bass music one thing that pisses me off and idk if that’s fixed but it just always falls back to a very spectral sounding future bass melodic dubstep soup when prompted with a genre heavy enough, it doesn’t really understand atonality

[fast pagoda]

for covers you now can change: lyrics+stage//instrumentation directions | the actual genre tags you are using for style prompt | the gender of the singer if wanted | the "weirdness" (basically just the denoising strength) | the style adherence (cfg ) | the input adherence (another semi denoising strength type thing) and finally exclude any genres/tags you dont want included (negative prompt)

[olive sable]

oh now that you mention it

[fast pagoda]

if you use it for lyrics you already lost

that part is definitely not it

[rigid snow]

it’s a range between “all overtones are perfectly on the scale” and white noise

[olive sable]

i have my bass at +8dB and i dont think i heard any bass from the ai

[fast pagoda]

depends on the gen
it can get into sub-bass territory if you prod it

that has improved with each one cuz the dynamic range was tiny in like 3.5

[olive sable]

[blazing hound]

Allo mathematicians in disguise. Can I ask, anyone know which letters or symbols aren't used in mathematics frequently?

[rigid snow]

they definitely can do sub bass idk

[fast pagoda]

it does do that soupy thing you're talking about a lot if you're giving it like

jungle

[olive sable]

‱

[fast pagoda]

or anything related to edm

[blazing hound]

Ok but I need to name a variable

[rigid snow]

yes they love overly compressed tracks too, like it’s the fucking 2017 dubstep loudness war again

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

ϰ

[unkempt citrus]

I can't think of any letter that isn't used

[olive sable]

this is called "permyriad"

[unkempt citrus]

but lots of multiple meanings

[fast pagoda]

[blazing hound]

Cheers

[unkempt citrus]

o maybe? but thats because its easily mistake for 0

[blazing hound]

I guess I'll just revert to using my symbol

[fast pagoda]

just use a fancy varient greek letter

ϰ is just kappa κ

[blazing hound]

I guess yeah

[olive sable]

ↂ

whatever the fuck this is

it was under math symbols

[fast pagoda]

that's a meta quest 3

[olive sable]

∟∠∣∦∩∬∯∡∤∧∪∭∰∢∥∨∫∮∱∲∵∸∻∾≁∳ some of these symbols...

what in the actual fuck am i looking at?

[opaque sigil]

half of those are just integrals

[olive sable]

they're fancy integrals tho

[opaque sigil]

closed integrals

[fast pagoda]

CLOSED SOURCE ?

[olive sable]

there is a symbol of 3 integrals next to eachother with a circle on top. what in the hell?

[opaque sigil]

wdym

[olive sable]

∰

[opaque sigil]

that's a closed triple integral

aka volume

[opaque sigil]

actually i lied

it's not volume

it's the surface of a 3d object

idk it's been a while

[fast pagoda]

it's 3 snakes having a jolly time dancing together

[olive sable]

⋱⋮⋰⋯⋙⋘⋖⋪
dotted lines in all directions, ultra left and right, weirrd triangle, no weird triangle

[opaque sigil]

okay i lied again it is the volume

[olive sable]

[fast pagoda]

defender(1981) characterset

[opaque sigil]

freaking surface integrals

[olive sable]

⌖the holy cross of jesus christ is a math symbol

[fast pagoda]

alien = got here thru science and pretended

[opaque sigil]

that's just a crosshair

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

its litteraly called "Position Indicator"

[olive sable]

i guess its used for graphs

[brisk laurel]

just tested gpt 5

[opaque sigil]

i went to the nixos wiki to look up something and lost my train of thought, thanks

ugh

[brisk laurel]

and this is what i got when asking how to run websites locally

[rigid snow]

i mean it probably answered your question

beforehand

[olive sable]

∴ i remember seeing this symbol on my math exams

i forgot what it measns tho

something about implications in logic

oh ye

[opaque sigil]

i don't think i've ever seen that, implication in logic is usually denoted as =>

[olive sable]

x is a human, and human are mortal, so x is mortal

[sharp cedar]

someone tell vedal he can buy h100's on a chinese black market with custom vram sizes lol

[olive sable]

ye thats diffrent

[olive sable]

this means "therefore"

[fast pagoda]

yeah i think this'll do it thanks proton i didnt want wine here

[brisk laurel]

help

how can turn the text into code again?
so that gpt can analyze it

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

Goodmorning konii

[rigid snow]

television person

[fast pagoda]

ummm i would say probably attach it as the src file if you want it to read the entire thing

[opaque wharf]

LLM are better when the input are text, true

[opaque wharf]

Is it really morning tho?

[sage crag]

awa aywayawa

[midnight sigil]

chat

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, the language model must've been bugged out

[midnight sigil]

should I use #pragma once, or #ifndef

[glass flower]

technically text gets converted to numbers

[opaque wharf]

#pragma

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

technically the text is already numbers

[opaque wharf]

Any modern compiler should handle it well

[sage crag]

moth

[rigid snow]

you should use this

#ifdef MYLIB
#define MYLIB
...
#endif

smaller binary sizes ✅

[opaque wharf]

[sage crag]

what if you were moth

[midnight sigil]

and supported by the standard ✅

[sage crag]

glor

[rigid snow]

glor

[midnight sigil]

#pragma once is highly dependent on the compiler... though yea mainstream compilers support it

awa

[fast pagoda]

the vectors son

what do they mean

[rigid snow]

they should add #pragma never

[fast pagoda]

https://tenor.com/view/saiki-reita-shaking-annoyance-upset-gif-19225095

[rigid snow]

i am

[midnight sigil]

aka excluding the file from compiling

[rigid snow]

that's the opint

[midnight sigil]

what were you playing 2 weeks ago bro 💀

[rigid snow]

idk a friend was spamming activities in vc

i joined one

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

wow

when did you become moth

or were you always employed there

[rigid snow]

employed

[sage crag]

yes at moth

[rigid snow]

i am not employed at moth ...

[sage crag]

why

[rigid snow]

i am moth

did you know some moths don't eat

[opaque wharf]

I am ork

[sage crag]

yes

[rigid snow]

me

[sage crag]

1 week to live

[rigid snow]

[opaque wharf]

I wonder if there's ork translator

alright so i found out 'der iz an ork translator

but i don't fink it iz perfect

[rigid snow]

all chatgpt wrappers

isp blocked cloudflare tunnels cool

time to do nginx like in the old days

[sage crag]

"old days"

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

shwa

doriya

hadouken

[opaque wharf]

I don't think this one is chatgpt wrapper

Could be wrong tho
https://lingojam.com/WarhammerOrkTranzlator

[rigid snow]

llama3.1-7b wrapper

[opaque wharf]

Most likely

[midnight sigil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP104YZl_zc

wha is this

[rigid snow]

lingojam is replace yes

[midnight sigil]

[rigid snow]

classic website

[rigid snow]

great way to make people listen to your music

[midnight sigil]

[rough bloom]

awassembler

[midnight sigil]

I call the language Awably, so it should be Awabler instead

[tender river]

systemctl reboot

[sage crag]

systemctl abwabwaba

[tender river]

cold

[midnight sigil]

hot

[uneven pulsar]

i am not going to lie with you gemini is really good

it doesn’t really suck ngl

[uneven pulsar]

like why tf you use win 10

[maiden geyser]

bro has no font antialiasing

[rigid snow]

they do it's just that the default chinese monospace ones are bitmap for some reason

[maiden geyser]

c

[rigid snow]

c

[maiden geyser]

dropped my router onto my keyboard

[rigid snow]

oh it's not even monospace

wait it kinda is

i assume the chinese characters take up 2 bytes so it makes sense to render them as 2 chars wide

interesting automod

good thing i recognize the website name it filtered

[sage crag]

erf

[rigid snow]

i really doubt it gets mentioned often enough here to justify it being automodded but go off i guess

[midnight sigil]

why do you need font antialiasing in the fucking command prompt

[midnight sigil]

I'm a proud user of AtlasOS

[opaque sigil]

we should just get rid of anti-aliasing entirely

[midnight sigil]

I mean, I can use linux

but I do gaming a lot

I would rather just use wsl to assist me instea

my program take 2 seconds to compile

this is so cooked

neurover

[desert plaza]

slowest awa compiler lmao

[midnight sigil]

this is the compile score of my AWA5.0 Interpreter binary, not the score of interpreter running awa code

well tbh my interpreter sucks as well

everything uses recursion

I trust my compiler will do the job on optimization

[desert plaza]

your c++ compiler?

[midnight sigil]

g++

I own a share of it

technically

[desert plaza]

so like, how different is c++ from c

do i have hope of understanding the code base

[midnight sigil]

yes, for sure

you can read the hex dump of it anyways

[desert plaza]

[midnight sigil]

[desert plaza]

458KB

[midnight sigil]

oh yea why is it that huge

the executable is 154kb what

[desert plaza]

c++

classic compiled language

[tender river]

you dont

[desert plaza]

just compile by hand

[opaque sigil]

every byte turns into 3 bytes

[desert plaza]

except for the middle padding bytes that shows as a *

[desert plaza]

uhh std::vector<Bubble>>>>& stacktrace)

[midnight sigil]

are there debug informations?

[desert plaza]

how many bytes is the binary

the hexdump omitted some padding

[midnight sigil]

157080

[desert plaza]

thx

uh

u sure that number is right?

that's funny

i think your compiler is trolling you with the file size

it shouldn't be that big i think

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

possibly

[desert plaza]

du -b awa

i think it is correct tho

[desert plaza]

mhm

[midnight sigil]

I added 3 lines of code, now the file size is 2232 bytes more

[desert plaza]

uh

looks like the binary has an extra 155496 zeroes in the middle for some reason

[olive sable]

goodmorning

[midnight sigil]

g++ trolling

[desert plaza]

yuh

[midnight sigil]

I did -g and the size has gone up to 1351944 bytes

I'm not kidding

debug informations are huge af

somehow

[desert plaza]

[midnight sigil]

so yea cough with size optimization flag on

it's now 89864 bytes

I see no zeros

[desert plaza]

hmm

[sage crag]

try -Oz -flto -s -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wl,--gc-sections,--build-id=none,--as-needed,--icf=all

also -g includes debug info

its what -g is for

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

:NODDERS:

[olive sable]

https://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html

if the goal is a small binary

[midnight sigil]

$ g++ -std=c++20 -Oz -flto -s -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections -Wl,--gc-sections,--build-id=none,--as-needed,--icf=all -o awa src/AwaConverter.cpp src/AwaInterpreter.cpp src/main.cpp
/usr/bin/ld: unrecognized option '--icf=all'
/usr/bin/ld: use the --help option for usage information
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
``` ![neurOMEGALUL](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1097297318119743638.webp?size=128 "neurOMEGALUL")

[sage crag]

you are using ld

why

[olive sable]

-Wl,-nmagicmight help too

[sage crag]

dont use -nmagic

use -N instead

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

try -fuse-ld=gold

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

gold is usually the best when it comes to size right

[midnight sigil]

what linker should I use instead

[opaque sigil]

granted that's kind of the only thing it has going for itself ig

[sage crag]

lld and gold are roughly equal but gold takes less effort to get it small

[opaque sigil]

for general use? lld or mold

[sage crag]

chuck -fuse-ld=gold into the args

[sage crag]

note that this is not general advice, -N is pretty unsafe

it packs all stuff into the text segment, and the text segment is set as rwx

[midnight sigil]

magic

[sage crag]

please use du -b

[midnight sigil]

nuh

I ls -l

[sage crag]

you can also try objcopy --strip-section-headers awa

[midnight sigil]

objcopy: unrecognized option '--strip-section-headers'

[sage crag]

wtf

why is your machine ancient

do you have llvm-objcopy

try that instead

[midnight sigil]

[desert plaza]

lmao still too big

[midnight sigil]

llvm-objcopy: error: unknown argument '--strip-section-headers'

Debian LLVM version 14.0.6

[sage crag]

ah makes sense

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

thats only 6 major versions out of date

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

almost 7

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

i have llvm 20.1.8

[midnight sigil]

man I feel old

[opaque sigil]

we're at rc2 for 21

so soon

[sage crag]

nice

[sage crag]

you just havent updated your machine

[opaque sigil]

debian 11 uses llvm 14 in their repo iirc

so you have to use the llvm repo instead

[tender river]

why is there clang_21 but only clang-tools_19

[olive sable]

clang tool scomes with visual studio no?

[tender river]

no.

[opaque sigil]

https://apt.llvm.org/ here, do yourself a favour and download a not so ancient toolchain

[olive sable]

its an optional package apparently

[opaque sigil]

why is there even a clang-tools binary

[tender river]

not binary

package

[midnight sigil]

lemme just update my debian 9 to 11 rq

[opaque sigil]

ah

that makes more sense

[opaque sigil]

may as well do 12

[sage crag]

if you can install elfkickers on debian then you should be able to use sstrip -z awa to maybe squeeze out some more bytes

[olive sable]

the vulkan has been prety much split into seperate files now

i have 12 files in /src now

[sage crag]

why do i have this

[sage crag]

this is normal

[opaque wharf]

You did not count the library. If you want to see monster, see any browser source code