programming

[tender river]

maximum gwb

[sage crag]

quaternion random graveyard

[tender river]

i should fix xdg-open for urls at some point

but gotta read helix tutor first

[sage crag]

awa

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

neurart review

[tender river]

im pretty slow at reading japanese since i have to look up like 5-10 words per page but i read the first chapter of shokei shoujo in a few hours and imo novel format fits it very well

i'm somewhat new to reading novels in japanese i only read (the beginning of) wataoshi and (a fair amount of) kumo desu ga nanika

manga is much easier

[sage crag]

you are reading it in japanese bwaaawa awa

[sage crag]

i have read both of these in english

bwa

[tender river]

ty to whoever wrote the scripts in https://github.com/koreader/koreader/issues/11469

[sage crag]

embed prison

[tender river]

koreader doesnt have native tategaki (vertical writing) support but someone wrote a plugin that rotates the layout and someone else wrote a script that rotates the font

so all in all its perfect

[sage crag]

i dont think many japanese websites support tategaki either

[tender river]

its very scuffed though

[sage crag]

so interesting choice

[noble zodiac]

kindle handles it decently but trying to select anything with any kind of precision is just not doable

[olive sable]

one of chatgpts marketing features is that its supposed to make complicated things easier to understand, yet when i feed it one of my error messages it types a whole paragraph

[tender river]

for manga i used https://f-droid.org/packages/ca.fuwafuwa.kaku/

i think

i might have patched it to work properly

i remember it barely working

i also used jiten https://f-droid.org/en/packages/dev.obfusk.jiten/

[sage crag]

ayaya

[tender river]

it allows you to draw the kanji but you have to remember the stroke order rules for optimal results

[opaque sigil]

easier not easy

[noble zodiac]

I yearn for the day I can leave kindle behind

[sage crag]

i dont have any e-ink displays from this decade

[tender river]

unless you're buying high end ones there probably wasnt much progress

[sage crag]

my only e-ink display is so slow that by the time its done refreshing i could have read another page

bwa

i dont even read that fast

[tender river]

thats long

mine takes like a second

maybe two

[noble zodiac]

iono what generation my paperwhite kindle is but I wouldnt be suprised if its 8 years old or something

[tender river]

i used to have a jailbroken pw2

now i use a kobo clara hd with nixos

[noble zodiac]

I looked at kobo but its just an alternative for me rn

[tender river]

i remember you saying you buy books from amazon

[noble zodiac]

I have to, there is no other choice

monopoly and all that good shit

[sage crag]

bad website

(this is fake i cant actually read this fast)

746 is more than 1 word per second

[tender river]

our primary school tests topped out at 200 wpm i think which annoyed me greatly as i could read much faster

[sage crag]

er

[sage crag]

more than 10

[tender river]

once they measured it while forcing me to pronounce what i read and then it was indeed around 200, bottlenecked by speech speed

[sage crag]

when i did more reading i could read in the 500-550 wpm region but i spend too much time playing osu these days

[tender river]

my brain is too scattered to read quickly nowadays

[sage crag]

hydrate or diedrate

awa

[tender river]

incidentally i have read 0 lines of helix manual for the past 20 minutes

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i got 258 but tbh i had no clue what the story was about, i kinda geussed the answers so i have 2/3 correct

[sage crag]

https://xkcd.com/605/
me extrapolating osu data in 2 years from the last year of osu data

xkcd: Extrapolating

By the third trimester, there will be hundreds of babies inside you.

[sage crag]

i imagine most people would get something similar if you dont read books as a hobby

awa

[olive sable]

awa

readings is not the problematic part for me, its reading and parsing what i actually read

remembering the book is the hard part

[tender river]

grok is this real

[sage crag]

"reading is not a problem for me, its reading and aiming at the next circle"

[olive sable]

osu?

[sage crag]

while we are doing benchmarking

[sage crag]

yes

[olive sable]

you need to read in osu?

[sage crag]

no we just unga bunga at the screen

reading is the term given to understanding the positions and timings of upcoming circles

[olive sable]

i get about 180ms on avarage

[tender river]

bwa

[sage crag]

its not a fair test

its dependant on your peripherals and your browser, and your pc

[olive sable]

true

but my dispalys shouldnt have that much delay

[sage crag]

i have a 280hz screen and an 8khz rate mouse, its probably accounting for some of the latency difference

[tender river]

its also a bit of rng, my lowest from trying it for a couple minutes was 155 but its not like i can replicate it every time

[sage crag]

the lowest i've ever gotten was 14 from randomly pressing

[patent walrus]

im average

[sage crag]

lol

[sage crag]

what if it was a microsoft teams popup

[olive sable]

my screen is running at 165hz but i could oc to 180 if i wanted to
mouse is 1khz but could do 8khz
same thing with keyboard

[patent walrus]

at least 7000ms

[sage crag]

[patent walrus]

i am never keen on reading my notifs

[tender river]

alt shift c am i in emacs

my alt key is super mushy i dont want to use it

its a keyboard i bought for taiko in 2019

[sage crag]

not mushroom for the key

awa

[tender river]

nyokinyoki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyzgN2DL4fY

[sage crag]

kinoko

[olive sable]

aight i oc's my dispalys to 180

idk how to change pulling rate of my mouse tho

[sage crag]

display oc is sometimes a bad idea if you want it to live a long life

bwa

[olive sable]

its a built in oc

[sage crag]

probably fine

same consideration applies

[olive sable]

true

[tender river]

i dont remember everything after 2:20 because the taiko map uses a short version of the song

i love pinocchiop

[olive sable]

according to rtings i get 3.6 ms input lag on these dispalys
and the nvidia app doesnt want to say what their number is so i have no clue there

[sage crag]

does anybody here use a blue light filter

awa

[tender river]

i do!

{
  services.gammastep = {
    enable = true;
    latitude = 12.345;
    longitude = 67.890;
  };
}

it didnt work on op6

[sage crag]

my blue light filter is about 3900K during the day and 3100K during the evening

or something

i use it on my phone too but i dont have exact numbers

[tender river]

i use the default which is 5500 at day and 3700 at night

[sage crag]

reasonable

blue light gives me eye strain

[tender river]

also most editor/terminal themes are blueih but i custom made one thats more red ish

[small anvil]

hi programming chat!

im on holiday rn!!

[tender river]

yippie

[small anvil]

also saves me from my fucked up machine that I call a pc

[tender river]

it says shell: zsh but its a lie

i use zsh as SHELL because some software expects SHELL to be posix compatible

[olive sable]

i have no fucking clue why its so jitery but resizing is working again

[sage crag]

lol i use catppuccin

[tender river]

every theme being blue is the main reason i made my own palette

blue

its fine aesthetically

but i like having less blue

[sage crag]

i like kanagawa theme for being the midpoint

[sage crag]

when i can be asked to set it up

otherwise i just use all the defaults

[sage crag]

vscode custom titlebar

[tender river]

its a random screenshot i found

[olive sable]

oh its probably cuz all the sdl stuff is running at 20fps in the background

[desert plaza]

only a matter of bime

[tender river]

heres a comparison of catppuccin vs my palette

[small anvil]

yes uorms only a matter of bime

🙏🙏

everything is french

oh god help

[olive sable]

is the right one supposed to be the same colour?

the right one of your own palette i mean

[tender river]

its roughly the same colors but less washed/pastel

[sage crag]

actually this reminds me

what do you think of fibres

[tender river]

bwa isnt it just Box<dyn Future>

[sage crag]

im wondering what the simplest concurrency that i can implement in hblang without huge runtime cost is

[tender river]

callbacks

[sage crag]

bwa true

[glass flower]

can you share your theme. it looks good

[sage crag]

as for multiprocessing, i am looking into existing fibre based threadpools

[tender river]

https://github.com/chayleaf/dotfiles/blob/master/home/modules/terminal.nix

[sage crag]

scheduling with green threads like goroutines looks like a hassle

[tender river]

begone embed

[glass flower]

and how do i get that into vscode

[tender river]

use a binary heap for timeouts and os pools for file io

[tender river]

idk i dont use vscode

[glass flower]

i see

i think i missunderstood the vscode screenshot you posted.. i thought that was your palette

[sage crag]

20 yuros

[tender river]

[tender river]

no that vscode screenshot is just catppuccin

[olive sable]

im passing the same variable in a lot of these functions, would it eb a good idea to store a copy or pointer as a class varibale?

[tender river]

go try, if its a bad idea you'll either be able to change it or learn a lesson

[sage crag]

cupsama backwards is amaspuc

[olive sable]

and i think thats beautiful

[sage crag]

thats weird

[olive sable]

thats why i said that

[stark needle]

Neuro cups

On head

[tender river]

[stark needle]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

neuro cups

on neuro

[tender river]

on head

[olive sable]

aight i got my food imm abounce

bye

[sage crag]

immediate abounce

[olive sable]

imm = immediate?

[sage crag]

what kind of register op is this

[tender river]

it abounces it

[olive sable]

i meant "imma bounce"

[sage crag]

asm

[stark needle]

Cupsama can be rewritten as "campus" with an extra a

[sage crag]

a campus

[stark needle]

a campus

[olive sable]

if you have assembly, when is disasembly dropping?

[stark needle]

Cant write "cupsama" without mentioning Sam Altman's Twitter

[olive sable]

sam -comedian of the year

[sage crag]

objdump -d /path/to/binary

[sage crag]

what do

[tender river]

https://www.auscamp.com.au cupsama

[sage crag]

cupsama.com is an unregistered domain

[stark needle]

Why are we schizoing around cupsama

[tender river]

she deserves it

[tender river]

we contributed 14% of this server's cupsama mentions

and its spreading now

[hoary lion]

cup who?

[tender river]

cupsama

[sage crag]

[hoary lion]

[sage crag]

#programming emoji dialect

[hoary lion]

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

benub

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

i hate spineuro because whenever i tab out she stares into my soul

bwa

sghtop

[rare bramble]

first time seeing someone as fast as i am

[desert plaza]

wait what

[small anvil]

im on holiday and the tv is french

[sage crag]

i am a cat

[rare bramble]

[sage crag]

[rare bramble]

though I have gotten ~50ms couple of times i have tried, though def not repeatable for me

[tender river]

[sage crag]

yeha like evilstare

but she's not trying to scare me

[desert plaza]

this true @sage crag , u french?

[sage crag]

noe

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

je ne se qois or something

parís

i speak french like someone who doesnt speak french

i will give you three guesses why

[desert plaza]

uhh

french canadian?

[sage crag]

no

2 left

[tender river]

its actually paris

[sage crag]

nerdleaf

[tender river]

this is the only thing i know about french

[sage crag]

really

[tender river]

oh

[sage crag]

what is it called

[tender river]

bonjour

[sage crag]

[tender river]

merci beacoup or somethng

spelling is hard

[sage crag]

benub

[tender river]

-#

[sage crag]

tenub

[desert plaza]

french tv?

[sage crag]

mo

[desert plaza]

moo

[sage crag]

1 left

[desert plaza]

uhh

[small anvil]

it keeps saying there is signal and then flipping to this stupid "pas de signal" screen

stupid tv

stupid no signal screen

stupid everything

[sage crag]

signal
no signal
signal
no signal

[desert plaza]

konii rn https://media.tenor.com/2CaG37GGbJoAAAPs/tv-television.webm

lol

[small anvil]

exactly

its so stupid

"signal"
"pas de signal"
"signal"
"pas de signal"

get out of my head

[desert plaza]

pass teh signal already

[tender river]

outer wilds

[tender river]

get him bwaa

[sage crag]

get him bwaa

elvyn

ellie

you

[tender river]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

pas de signal = no signal

[sage crag]

[desert plaza]

[trim valve]

I must have missed a stage in the #programming communication evolution

[sage crag]

i didnt know you were french sam

flemish

[olive sable]

ne pas de = none of this
but you generaly drop the ne cuz who cares about 2 part negation

[tender river]

antennae

[sage crag]

just and you

[olive sable]

i am flemish, and i speak both dutch, west-flemish, english, and a bit of french

[sage crag]

📡 🛰️

[desert plaza]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

fake

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

iuh_4x

[olive sable]

[tender river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1369709631756173372/1369709632121082047/NeuroIUH.gif

[olive sable]

you cant say shit you only speak english

[sage crag]

i also speak hblang

[hoary lion]

[olive sable]

are we seriously counting programming languages too?

[sage crag]

who cut her in half

[tender river]

saw her back

no

no

sew

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/red-mist-library-of-ruina-meme-gebura-great-split-gif-10069995606081450583

[sage crag]

no otherwise i would know infinite languages

[sage crag]

zylice

[olive sable]

nuh-uh

[sage crag]

dangerleaf

[hoary lion]

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

tummy hurt

ate too much

[hoary lion]

fatass teto mentioned

[sage crag]

oit

[hoary lion]

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-teto-plush-kasane-teto-plush-crush-it-gif-16166927453889012815

[small anvil]

awawa awawa

[warped narwhal]

lets see what #programming is up to today.

Ah, man-made horrors beyond my imagination

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/rwk-priest-crow-awawawawa-awa-azumanga-daioh-gif-24354610

[sage crag]

Wahya aaaa!! Awawa wawa.

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/yume-nikki-awawawawawa-dancing-madotsuki-meme-gif-10015888597027776222

[tender river]

pancake time

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-nano-spinning-gif-12626501756826392034

[small anvil]

Me irl

[sage crag]

youre right

why doesnt pancakesama exist

[olive sable]

litle guy on the line be going

[sage crag]

da blob

[olive sable]

what is the source of that gif even?

[sage crag]

the spinner

[tender river]

where

[sage crag]

its a self fulfilling statement

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894865038895091743/1401376224630149280/12907412_142ca.gif

[sage crag]

osu ge

[tender river]

its correct no matter what its replying to

[sage crag]

eliv wysi

[sage crag]

yesh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1232413936075280466.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=evilWYSI

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1232413936075280466.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=evilWYSI

[sage crag]

👈

fumoFriend

[olive sable]

im in spain without the a

[sage crag]

im in spain without the spin

[tender river]

minor delay

[sage crag]

1 hour 7 minute latency

[desert plaza]

wtf is happening

[olive sable]

hes changing songs and his program changes the timer acording to the playlist lenght or soemthing

idk

[sage crag]

internetleaf

[desert plaza]

neuro stream is tweaking

[sage crag]

processing

processing

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/neurofumo-neuro-sama-neuro-sama-ice-breaking-ice-gif-5376444440575147065

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/neuro-sama-neurosama-silly-ice-gif-5310293786029250170

[olive sable]

"do you like my car" neuro doesnt have a car yet

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-face-disgusting-face-meme-eww-gif-gif-7846123227942775920

do you like maika

[sage crag]

running in the 90s

[olive sable]

we need the neurosama honda civic shitbox asap

[hoary lion]

[sage crag]

hm no strong opinion i havent met them

[olive sable]

gas gas gas

[sage crag]

you skipped

[olive sable]

no

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

runnin in the 90's is a diffrent song

[hoary lion]

treu

[sage crag]

n

[olive sable]

it is

[hoary lion]

very distinct song

[olive sable]

gas gas gas is from inital D

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/true-get-this-man-a-true-go-my-true-whatever-go-my-true-gif-16382191100563919909

[trim valve]

reduced my action runtime

[tender river]

karaoke ci?

[trim valve]

yeah

[hoary lion]

[trim valve]

and surely also fixed my cache issues

(I probably didn't)

[sage crag]

cache cache cache im gonna step on the cache

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/deja-vu-anime-car-gif-24099480

[olive sable]

that poor cache

[trim valve]

also can't wait to forget about this and have a boatload of commits the next time I check

[sage crag]

IM NOT

im not heavy

[olive sable]

did i say you were?

[sage crag]

noto sans

[trim valve]

where

[sage crag]

letter

i like ibm plex sans

[sage crag]

[trim valve]

liar

[sage crag]

fake its fake

segoe ui is basically noto sans

google and microsoft

same company

[trim valve]

true

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

boing

awa

[tender river]

i use noto everywhere because i like noto mono

and because its just a safe default

bwa

[olive sable]

the place i usually get my fries has been closed for 3 weeks cuz they're taking a vacation, the other local fry place sucks

these fries are bone dry

[sage crag]

someone pin this

[tender river]

done

[sage crag]

its not very good

try again

[tender river]

[olive sable]

i added "this" emote

its there

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

you gotta be happy with what you get

[sage crag]

nœ

vani pin this

[desert plaza]

næ

[tender river]

van{i,or}

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

van(i|or)

[olive sable]

this reads as "nu" btw

[sage crag]

/g van(i|or) /

[opaque wharf]

Valor

[sage crag]

valinor

[olive sable]

vanilxnor

[sage crag]

ban

[tender river]

have you read silmarillion

[opaque wharf]

No, Valinor is perfect

[sage crag]

tolkien's legendarium doesnt deserve this

[tender river]

i have but i dont remember anything

[sage crag]

same

big spider it eat the light of the two trees

and the silmarils

then big big spider

[olive sable]

xnor > nor

[sage crag]

x = a nor b
a b x
1 1 1
0 1 0
1 0 0
0 0 0

[karmic schooner]

have u guys programmed games before

[olive sable]

yes

i have

[karmic schooner]

did u use a game engine or an IDE

[olive sable]

i used vs code

[rigid snow]

programming sillying so hard rn

[tender river]

if you want recommendations, just learn unity or godot

[sage crag]

i am waiting for someone to point it out

[rigid snow]

focus focus

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

point what out?

[tender river]

the bingo square

[sage crag]

bnop

[olive sable]

???

[sage crag]

truth tabol

[karmic schooner]

yeah I was trying out intellij IDEA & visual studio community then I realized they were more for general programming and like raw coding

[sage crag]

iuh

[olive sable]

this one?

[sage crag]

iuh

[karmic schooner]

I’m gonna try out godot later

[desert plaza]

wrong

[olive sable]

i mean ye its wrong but who cares

[sage crag]

me i care

[tender river]

i recommend vs code over vs or intellij

[olive sable]

then fix it yourslef

its your message

[sage crag]

vscode has an hblang plugin

[karmic schooner]

cause it’s more lightweight right?

[sage crag]

cant, swapping a result is too hard

[tender river]

its more customizable

[sage crag]

and vim too

[karmic schooner]

ohh really

[sage crag]

therefore i can only recommend hblang and vim

[tender river]

and by extension nvim

[sage crag]

sorry, vscode and vim

[olive sable]

fine

x = a nor b
a b x
1 1 0
0 1 0
1 0 0
0 0 1

fixed

[karmic schooner]

I thought it was more of a code editor

[sage crag]

and vim derivatives

[karmic schooner]

whats vim?

[sage crag]

iuh

[tender river]

https://neovim.io/

[karmic schooner]

What language does it use

[sage crag]

its an archaeic english word referring to enthusiasm

[tender river]

wdym

[sage crag]

example usage "she was full of vim and vigor"

[tender river]

whats it written in? or what its used for?

[desert plaza]

that's not vim

[tender river]

its just a text editor so it can be used for whatever

[sage crag]

the answer is yes for both

[tender river]

its not but have you seen the vim site

[desert plaza]

no

[olive sable]

no

[rigid snow]

actually a game engine is just code that helps to run your game. what you're thinking of is the "editor" GUI and many game engines have that. an IDE is an environment to write code - you can use any IDE with any game engine, but some game engine editor guis include a code editor, which might be fine for you, but usually people use an external editor, like vscode or visual studio, with a game engine like unity or unreal.

[sage crag]

who would recommend original vim to anyone in 2025

[rigid snow]

vi

[karmic schooner]

ohhh I see

[tender river]

ed

[sage crag]

its not hip or trendy

[sage crag]

ed is nano's ancestor

[opaque wharf]

I want to snack on something

[sage crag]

bytes

[tender river]

note that since its extensible you can add all kinds of features you'd see in an ide

[rigid snow]

i want to smack something

[opaque wharf]

Any idea for a good midnight snakc?

[tender river]

but its core is a text editor

[olive sable]

so you dont want to do actual coding?

[sage crag]

bytes

[opaque wharf]

A TV

[rigid snow]

how does that work

[sage crag]

segfault

you will realise then

[opaque wharf]

Old school TV sometimes requires percussive maintenance

[tender river]

theres also emacs but its a huge rabbit hole, it's probably the most configurable editor but the learning curve is higher

[rigid snow]

"emacs" "editor"

[tender river]

true, emacs is more like an os

[karmic schooner]

ooohhhh I thought for game engines u didn’t have to use like vscode or other IDEs bc the programming is already built in or something of that nature

[olive sable]

7 stages of grief in the emote reacts lmao

[rigid snow]

it can be built in, but i don't think unity has a built in editor for example

you have to use a separate one

[opaque wharf]

I forgot konii is a TV to be honest

[sage crag]

[karmic schooner]

oh no I do, I was stuck trying to figure out which is the more lightweight option bc I only have a laptop to code in

And it’s not a gaming one ;w;

[olive sable]

so uh. game-engines can have a lot of stuff built in, like a collidsion system for exmapl. but you still need to cod esome stuff

[rigid snow]

if you don't feel like "coding" then i can recommend unreal engine blueprints

they're fire

[karmic schooner]

nooooooo I wanna do coding

[olive sable]

generally, if you want lightweight anything besides unrel engine is fine

[karmic schooner]

I’m just scared of my laptop crashing on me lol

[olive sable]

the real lightweight is opengl or vulkan tho, but vulkan is a true pain in the ass to use

[opaque wharf]

Bevy

[tender river]

no.

[rigid snow]

oh yeah unreal editor is super demanding

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[tender river]

bevy is not a game engine

[sage crag]

mrow

[tender river]

nyaaaa

[sage crag]

bevy is a mental stability test

[rigid snow]

sam should have gone with rust and made a good engine

for rust

[sage crag]

game engines are hard to make in rust

its backed up by evidence

[hoary lion]

Rust

[opaque wharf]

He will get skewered by the community for the bracket

[rigid snow]

what about unsafe rust

[sage crag]

rust exist for nearly 2 decades, still not one good game engine or library

[sage crag]

just c with more guilt tripping

[olive sable]

if you mind doing shader programming and manually passing your meshes to the GPU, stick to a game-engine like unity or Godot.

if you don't mind doing that OpenGL is fine.

if you want the absolute best performance and you're a masochist do vulkan

[desert plaza]

"rewrite everything in rust"

[hoary lion]

"Trust me it is better in rust"

[rigid snow]

it is

[sage crag]

rust is really good for microservices and long running programs, servers and databases

[hoary lion]

And it's written in assembly

[sage crag]

as well as safety critical infrastructure

[karmic schooner]

I actually started a bit on monogame then I realized there aren’t as many tutorials or like “guides” for it compared to gamemaker, unity or godot so I was having a bit of a crisis trying to figure out if I should continue on with that or switch to a more “active” one

[sage crag]

but uh

[desert plaza]

at the end of the day, it's all machine code

[sage crag]

games are hacky

[karmic schooner]

active with communities I mean

[sage crag]

rust is not hacky

they dont vibe

[uneven pulsar]

wdym

[olive sable]

ive never heard of monogame before so cant help you there

[sage crag]

making games is a creative and complex process and rigid safety and inflexibility doesnt typically lend itself to game design

[opaque wharf]

You forgot that trains is NPC with hat?

[karmic schooner]

To further prove my point lol

[uneven pulsar]

oh tha make sense it depends on the type of games for example fighting games are the hardest game genre

[opaque wharf]

Or that vertibird is a dragon with metal skin?

[karmic schooner]

It’s for game dev in visual studio community

[uneven pulsar]

honestly i hate unity

[sage crag]

what

[hoary lion]

So make server use rust and rest go with C stuff

[rigid snow]

unsafe {} <- see: rust code vibes with hackiness (live)

[karmic schooner]

Modern version of XNA if u guys r familiar

[sage crag]

it doesnt vibe it lets me know every time

stupid rust

stupid borrow checker

[tender river]

you can do similar architectures in rust however the language steers you towards ones that are "closer to metal" which is not the best game architecture

[sage crag]

stupid static analysis

[tender river]

for games you want some level of indirection

[uneven pulsar]

i am saying that it depends on what type of hame you making silly and fighting games are the hardest to make

[uneven pulsar]

How tf did I confuse you

[sage crag]

fighting games are not the hardest games to make

[uneven pulsar]

they are

[tender river]

konii i'm not convinced from the unsafe code i've seen from you

[karmic schooner]

2D pixel platformer which gamemaker excels at I’m p sure

[rigid snow]

solution: fn totally_and_perfectly_safe() { unsafe { ...

[sage crag]

borrow checker can stuff it my code is bugless

[olive sable]

like anything in life, it depends

[sage crag]

im confused as to why you think fighting games are the hardest to make

[karmic schooner]

Have you made one?

[uneven pulsar]

it is you think it was easy to create teken 8 combo system?

[sage crag]

everyone who has touched game design has

[olive sable]

fighting games can be easy, they can be hard

what is the featureset?

[hoary lion]

What type of fighting tho

[tender river]

imo the biggest problem is that the rust ecosystem tries to remake everything from scratch, from graphics to windowing to architecture

[sage crag]

you think it was easier to create zelda totk?

[hoary lion]

2D or 3D

[rigid snow]

tekken 8 apparently

[uneven pulsar]

combos creating them

[olive sable]

multiplayer? local or online? what are the graphics? is it 2D or 3D?
physics engine???

[uneven pulsar]

Don’t compare them

[karmic schooner]

so it’s like with visual studio

[uneven pulsar]

i love zelda totk they probably used something like ue5

[sage crag]

om

ue5

[tender river]

[olive sable]

ye probably, they used the same engine as botw

[rigid snow]

do fighting games need a physics engine? idk i haven't played them in forever

[uneven pulsar]

You think tekken 8 combo system is easy tto make did you see the average combo?

[olive sable]

depends

[karmic schooner]

you have to build all the mechanics from scratch like the collisions and stuff that game engines already have

[uneven pulsar]

yes

[rigid snow]

for what

[sage crag]

i severely doubt that it would be

[olive sable]

smash bros for example does need a physics engine, tekken less so

[tender river]

that has nothing to do with visual studio...

[sage crag]

[uneven pulsar]

uh combo system?

[rigid snow]

oh true i'm stupid

[tender river]

bwa

[rigid snow]

??????????????

[karmic schooner]

for vs code?

[uneven pulsar]

HAVE YOU SEEN THE COMBO SYSTEM

[olive sable]

this chat is getting so chaotic i cant keep up

[karmic schooner]

causeee that’s what u gotta do for the IDE

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/schizo-cat-the-voices-gif-25415230

[rigid snow]

!slowmode eternity

[tender river]

no, editors just dont relate to it in any way

[sage crag]

%lock

[tender river]

you can use libraries if you want

[karmic schooner]

yeah I was referring to the IDE not the editor

[tender river]

IDE is an editor

[karmic schooner]

wait

[woven coral]

koniifer

Server Avatar

[sage crag]

awa

[karmic schooner]

Vs code and visual studio r two diff things though right

[olive sable]

yes

[karmic schooner]

Blue n purple logos

[rare bramble]

ye

[uneven pulsar]

don’t you know whats that basically a sequence of multiple commands when the player inputs doing a specific combo it’s actually a sequence of long butts you have to cofe them to work like you need to press 20 different joysticks combos to work

[olive sable]

the blue one is the one i like, the purple one is the one i dont like

[rigid snow]

an Integrated Development Editorvironment

[tender river]

they are, it doent change that much though, you can do the same things with either, the difference is vs has more features builtin and vscode is more barebones but more extensible to fit different languages or workflows

[karmic schooner]

wait sorry I meant when ur using monogame** like u do with rust

U code everything from scratch

[uneven pulsar]

like i am not joking fighting games requires serious skills to develop

[tender river]

i wasn't talking about what the engine users have to do

[rigid snow]

what. where physics engine

[tender river]

i was talking about how rust is reinventing the entire library ecosystem from scratch

[uneven pulsar]

own custom enegine

[karmic schooner]

ooohhh

[opaque wharf]

Vedal is also crashing out lmao

[karmic schooner]

Yeah I missed that part

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[karmic schooner]

Over outer wilds?

[uneven pulsar]

dude just trust search about it and just look how players play the game and the combo system

[tender river]

this kind of problems is something that's been figured out back in the lisp days

just write a dsl that compiles into decision trees

its essentially a problem of regex matching

[olive sable]

just store the buttons last pressed and see if they line up i guess?

[uneven pulsar]

that’s what i am trying to reach

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/kaltsit-kal'tsit-arknights-arknights-take-your-pills-schizophrenia-gif-4153614319633661191

[tender river]

look up finite automata

[olive sable]

i lost the plot

[uneven pulsar]

Is it a framework?

[olive sable]

what are we talking about again?

[tender river]

no, its a concept you learn

[uneven pulsar]

oh i see

[opaque wharf]

But the voices is my friend. If I take it it'll be gone forever

[sage crag]

1. fighting games
2. IDEs
3. awa

[olive sable]

awa

[sage crag]

we are always here

[karmic schooner]

awa

[olive sable]

i can agree with point 3

[tender river]

chaos

[karmic schooner]

I just wanna code a game

[sage crag]

chaos chaos

[sage crag]

mwahaha

[tender river]

just go with godot or unity then

[sage crag]

godot

for sure

[karmic schooner]

I ended up researching too long on too many things when I just wanted to type silly little words that do funny little actions

[tender river]

true i'd recommend godot over unity

[sage crag]

unless you want to do 3d

then use unity

[karmic schooner]

yeah I’ll go with godot

[rigid snow]

wdym? godot for 3d is great

[karmic schooner]

I downloaded the .NET one so I could use C# in godot bc I’m more used to it

[olive sable]

so for fighting games, generally you dont need a physics engine besides colliding the player with the stage and other players

its probably as easy to make this with raw opengl as it is to amke it with unity if you know what you're doing

in terms of game-engien you dont really need one, but it will be easier. use godot or unity, whatever you do just for the love of god dont use unreal engine, unrela engine is the work of the devila nd should never be touched

[rigid snow]

i like unreal

[sage crag]

ban (me too)

[tender river]

also veloren is at least one success story of a game written in rust, C++ just has much more mature libraries and tooling

[olive sable]

no you dont

[sage crag]

ue3

[uneven pulsar]

i am not joking fighting games are one of the hardest games to make

[sage crag]

very nice

[uneven pulsar]

now zelda totk was indeed insane to make

[rigid snow]

especially blueprints

i like fake coding'

[olive sable]

nah, open world games are about 100x as hard

if not 1000x

[rigid snow]

true and factual

[sage crag]

starting this again

[karmic schooner]

it’s harder when u have to customize all those maps and details

[uneven pulsar]

dude tekken 8 was insanly hard to make. Ok true open world like totk are 100x harder to make

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

fighting games dont even use LOD

[karmic schooner]

they scare me lol

[olive sable]

they have maybe 100 meshes on screen at the same time max

[uneven pulsar]

uhhh we talking about mechanics

[rigid snow]

light omitting diode

[uneven pulsar]

tekken 8 mortal combos

[olive sable]

level of detail

[sage crag]

ok i come back later when hblang is fashionable again

[karmic schooner]

what are those vector thingys called again

Like all the polygons that make up a thing

[rigid snow]

godot hblang support when

[olive sable]

mesh?

[uneven pulsar]

ok i do agree but we talking about mechanics like totk tekken 8

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

can already do with gdext

[rigid snow]

do then

[sage crag]

nop

[karmic schooner]

Yeah those

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

u do

[olive sable]

tekken 8 might have those combos and such, but its still only 2.5D

[sage crag]

not me

[rigid snow]

i hate godot

[uneven pulsar]

true

[sage crag]

mbwa

[uneven pulsar]

i hate unity

[karmic schooner]

yet you like unreal?

is it cause of the whole node thing

[rigid snow]

i don't hate godot i'm jokig

[karmic schooner]

lol

[olive sable]

unity and godot are both fine, if you hate any of those you'r ebetter of moving that hate onto unreal

yall dont know how bad unreal is

[uneven pulsar]

godot better than unity

[karmic schooner]

I just like the open source code

Cause I’m too broke to buy license stuff especially if I’m just starting off

[uneven pulsar]

unreal is every fps developer friend

[olive sable]

godot is better as a company, but its undercooked

[uneven pulsar]

unity sucks

[olive sable]

no

[karmic schooner]

It’s newer to be fair

[olive sable]

no no no

[rigid snow]

you don't have to buy a license to any of the three mentioned if you're just starting off

[olive sable]

this is the most unbased take ive heard

[karmic schooner]

oh yeah true

[olive sable]

godot is better as a company but its undercooked. unity is stil better in terms of featureset and such imo

[karmic schooner]

Isnt unity a bit like whats it called

[uneven pulsar]

why unity that good its ui and interface are stupid and feel lacking and the learning and forums sucks

[rigid snow]

way better

[karmic schooner]

Bloated or too excessive if I’m just doing 2D though

[olive sable]

unreal is only good at producing slopware the quickest

[uneven pulsar]

DONT FORGET PRICING

[karmic schooner]

I mean I know hollow knight was made in unity but like

[olive sable]

unity has just been around longer and it ahs had time to cook.
if you dont like the ui idk what to tell you

[uneven pulsar]

I can’t say shit about it cuz people will jump me for this

[rigid snow]

i'll have a uuuh a nanite with uhhhh megalights and ummm lumen

[karmic schooner]

anyone here tried gamemaker

[uneven pulsar]

dude the ui is bad and on every import and small change you have to wait for it

[olive sable]

dont even fucking mention the word nanite infront of me

i dont want to hear it

[uneven pulsar]

like that stupid loading bar FU

[rigid snow]

can i have a TAA with that as well?

[olive sable]

no you may not

[opaque sigil]

i heard you like nanite

[opaque wharf]

Neuro just take off without vedal

[karmic schooner]

I took a day off from programming yet all I could think abt was doing that

[uneven pulsar]

AND FOR 3d IF YOU USE TRASH ASSESTS THE GAME WOULD LOOK BAD LIKE you need minimum decent ones BRO WHAT IF I AM ON A BUDGET

[olive sable]

ok nah i lost the plot again of what was happening

[opaque wharf]

The ship broke in half

[karmic schooner]

That’s possible in outer wilds???

[opaque wharf]

The integration is working perfectly

[olive sable]

ekness and vireo have the same colour so they're basicly the same person so i cant tell whats happening

[uneven pulsar]

i mean marvel rivals was made in ue5

[karmic schooner]

Oh wait I’ll change it

[olive sable]

and its worse for it

[karmic schooner]

there ya go

[rigid snow]

so was valorant and fortnite and whatever, what is your point

[uneven pulsar]

why would people use it

why unity

[olive sable]

cuz its the quickest

but it also sucks

they are trading develop time for performance

[uneven pulsar]

id rather put time and effort than rushing

[olive sable]

yes

[karmic schooner]

what colour is this

[olive sable]

green

[uneven pulsar]

unity is the type of engine used for mobile hame slop

[rigid snow]

???

[olive sable]

unity is still infinetly better than unreal

cuz it actually is able to run on phones

[uneven pulsar]

Although I don’t understand how the fuck ultra kill was made in unity

[karmic schooner]

ULTRAKILL MENTIONED

[olive sable]

cuz the devs knew what they were doing

[uneven pulsar]

ITS made for 2d mobile games

[olive sable]

not necesarily

[rigid snow]

what the fuck aree you saying

[uneven pulsar]

i am the ultra kill guy in this server

[karmic schooner]

Wait were u the v2 guy

[uneven pulsar]

yes

[olive sable]

unity supports 3D pretty fucking well

[karmic schooner]

Ooohhh

You changed ur icon so I didn’t recognize mb

[uneven pulsar]

If you don’t have goof assests it’s trash and costs a lot

[rigid snow]

REALLY fucking well, like AAA level

[karmic schooner]

Stop tempting me to use unity

[olive sable]

that goes for every single fucking game in existance

[uneven pulsar]

like some games used simple graphics and mage to make them great

[karmic schooner]

I think that’d make my laptop cry in agony

[olive sable]

simple graphics != bad assets

its all about how you use your shaders

[karmic schooner]

oh no shaders

[olive sable]

hell ye shaders

i fuckign love shaders

[karmic schooner]

u don’t need that for 2D pixel art right

[olive sable]

uh

depends

[uneven pulsar]

thats not true there than indie game called epic conquest 2 it had such simple and stylized anime graphics and yet the game was decent on mobile

[karmic schooner]

like u can just do it in the art itself

[uneven pulsar]

DUDE THE DEVS MADE A DECENT MOBILE GAME

[olive sable]

ye we call that optemizing

[uneven pulsar]

they used simple anime assets and the game still looked good

[olive sable]

anime graphics 99% of the time rely on shaders

you cant jsut say "draw this like an anime"

[uneven pulsar]

low poly

and the faces where simple yet anime like

[olive sable]

low poly doesnt mean anything

[karmic schooner]

low poly still has shaders

for some

[olive sable]

everything has shaders

its how rendering works

[karmic schooner]

Okay I prefer this colour more bc it doesn’t blend in as much

[olive sable]

without a shader you get no dsiplay

[uneven pulsar]

then explains me that one Austrianlain guy that made a game better than ubisoft it self

[stark needle]

schizo

[karmic schooner]

It’s called shrek tho 💔

[uneven pulsar]

SOLO AND LOW POLY

[stark needle]

i swear the latency is better irl

[olive sable]

its cuz ubnisoft sucks.
they make their games as quick as possible withoput optemizin

[olive sable]

ye i make my games solo too

so?

[uneven pulsar]

I am saying that unity doesn’t help when using simple graphics yet people managed to make games look with simple 3d assests

[karmic schooner]

what’s ur fav language to work in

[olive sable]

C++

[karmic schooner]

oh wow this one is just grey

[uneven pulsar]

plus out of all language they choosed c#

[olive sable]

nah scratch that

glsl

OpenGL Shading Language my beloved

[uneven pulsar]

Like they really choosed c# as a scripting language

for unity

[olive sable]

whats wrong with C#?

[uneven pulsar]

and there tutorials are confusing

[karmic schooner]

whats wrong with C#

[uneven pulsar]

Yeah I am going to be honest I don’t know shi about it but i prefer Java cuz i am a java boomer

[karmic schooner]

What’s the difference between Java n JavaScript

[olive sable]

the script

but ye js is completely diffrent than java

[opaque sigil]

damn, really just threw python out the window like that

[olive sable]

python is slow

im here for the fast chad

[uneven pulsar]

java tried to steal JavaScript concepts

[karmic schooner]

Ohhh

[rigid snow]

macos holds my storage space hostage until i update i’m updating so the pending update gets applied so it doesn’t take up 15gb

[olive sable]

isnt js newer than java?

[karmic schooner]

I learned JavaScript first

[rigid snow]

ehat

[uneven pulsar]

yes

[karmic schooner]

Yeah isnt Java older tho

[rigid snow]

it is

[uneven pulsar]

js was founded in 1993 smt

[rigid snow]

js was named after java because java was the hot new thing

the difference is they’re two different languages

js is just a teeny tiny bit inspired by java

[karmic schooner]

Are there game engines that use js mainly

[uneven pulsar]

webgl?

[olive sable]

if you use a game-engine, then the game-engine will use a generic texture to screen shader for each object. if yo dont use a game-engien you will need to make one yourself

[karmic schooner]

Oh yeah true

[olive sable]

but whether you like it or not anything on a screen relies on shaders

[olive sable]

webgl is not a game-engine tho

[uneven pulsar]

True

[olive sable]

webgl explicitly is the most shader dependent of everything we just discussed

[uneven pulsar]

people can make 3d games on JavaScript

[opaque sigil]

me when i write directly into the framebuffer

[karmic schooner]

You can change the textures accordingly though right

[uneven pulsar]

seriously?!

[olive sable]

ye we know, i make games

[karmic schooner]

If u make ur own custom ones?

[rigid snow]

noooo dude shaders is the thing that makes game likeminecraft look pretty and eats your recourses broooyou don’t understand i need shaders removed from the game now for 999+ fps and optimizatio

[olive sable]

no

well yes

but no

[karmic schooner]

It’s a graphics API right?

[olive sable]

yes

[rigid snow]

remove shaders bro

[olive sable]

webgl is a graphics api specificalyl for the browser

[uneven pulsar]

we don’t talk about minecraft don’t get an argument on

[south needle]

which models are you usimg?

[uneven pulsar]

never argue something about Minecraft

or else you getting jumped by the internet

[olive sable]

afaik shaders in Minecraft just replace the original opengl shaders

[uneven pulsar]

i almost got doxxed by a groupf of Minecraft players for sayings something stupid about optimization mods

[stray dragon]

never argue something you know nothing about*

[karmic schooner]

They should make the food items placable*

[rigid snow]

i’m not gonna argue with you on anything, it’s not worth it. you have proven to be a nonsensical take generator already

[olive sable]

remember that webgl is just a graphics api, you have to make every single other thing yourself

[uneven pulsar]

pls no I dont want a argument

NO PLS

[stray dragon]

dude acting like minecraft has wronged him

[karmic schooner]

that’s cool

[uneven pulsar]

i am sacred of the community

[stray dragon]

no different from any other community in that regard

[karmic schooner]

Ive been in like the big Minecraft communities before it’s not too bad if u avoid all the drama

[rigid snow]

i just told you i’m not gonna argue ??

[uneven pulsar]

i almost got doxxed by some Minecraft players for saying a stupid joke about about meat

[stray dragon]

it's like me coming in here and saying javascript is the best language because types look bad and other languages don't exist

[uneven pulsar]

I DONT WANT AN ARGUMENT ABOUT MINECRAFT NO

[rigid snow]

based and true

[uneven pulsar]

I DONT WANT TO GET BANNED OT DOXXED

[olive sable]

brother what is happenign here

[karmic schooner]

This is true though

[olive sable]

calm donw like jesus

[rigid snow]

i have no idea

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-3234894596200294187

[uneven pulsar]

i am just scared of Minecraft

[olive sable]

thats fine

[stray dragon]

damn i need an even more horrendous take

[karmic schooner]

Isnt this Watson from Sherlock bbc

[opaque sigil]

casually triggering people's ptsd

[olive sable]

idfk im not british

ask konii

[karmic schooner]

Try and make one I’m sure someone will still agree lol

[rigid snow]

i like agreeing with deranged takes, not with wrong ones

[uneven pulsar]

I almost got doxxed by Minecraft players for saying some stupid joke about modpacks in the official server like i tried to apologize and talk to the mod by the just timed me out for saying sorry

[rigid snow]

mind the line

[karmic schooner]

I like your style

[stray dragon]

html is my favorite programming language

[olive sable]

as the local game-dev here all my opinions are based.
So generally shaders are based and you should learn how to use them if you want to do opengl

[rigid snow]

i respect it

[stray dragon]

FUCK!!

[karmic schooner]

kinda based

[uneven pulsar]

it’s everyone favorite

[olive sable]

nuh uh

not mine