programming

[uneven pulsar]

and so i cant install nmap

I can’t do shit

[midnight sigil]

macos

[uneven pulsar]

i an forced to use it

i hate my life

xcode inly works on macos 15.2

FUCK

[midnight sigil]

why do you even need xcode

[sage crag]

cant build and sign apps for macos or ios without xcode

[uneven pulsar]

Uhh work?

nmap?

DUDE YOU THINK I AM WINDOWS

[stark needle]

Gemini generated book

[fast pagoda]

nmap doesnt need osx

[fast pagoda]

top kek

[midnight sigil]

[fast pagoda]

reminds me of just sending gpt 4 my video poker hands and it continuously telling me bro keep rolling ur about to hit a jackpot
even if i was losing horribly

[uneven pulsar]

PLEASE HELP

can’t I install macos 15 on it

[fast pagoda]

so true

[uneven pulsar]

trying to revive the lets go gambling shit meme

[stark needle]

NO WAY SHE WON

[uneven pulsar]

that meme died

[fast pagoda]

gemini took this one to heart from the training

[uneven pulsar]

can i get some help

[fast pagoda]

found it

[uneven pulsar]

in the manual to compile the source code

i need Xcode

first

[fast pagoda]

keep goin

it doesnt need OSX

it needs unix

well

*nix

[uneven pulsar]

oh

[fast pagoda]

but you can compile it on pretty much any os according to nmap

This is the traditional compile-it-yourself format. The Nmap tarball compiles under Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, and many UNIX platforms (Solaris, Free/Net/OpenBSD, etc.) It includes Zenmap, the GUI frontend.

[midnight sigil]

I don't use nor I have a mac

[uneven pulsar]

fuck windows

fuck money

[midnight sigil]

actually my whole house doesn't have an apple device

except the ipad my school gave me

it's the 8th gen

[uneven pulsar]

I am using a razer keyboard on a mac os

fuck

ny life is miserable

[fast pagoda]

mac is far worse into the $$fk u pay me

than even windows

[uneven pulsar]

2400$ for a new mac

[midnight sigil]

2400 holy frick

[fast pagoda]

yeah with an intel celeron and 3mb of ram

(obvious hyperbole)

[uneven pulsar]

my family hates games and windows and anything they see bad

well I guess I could install linux

but then my family will get mad

[midnight sigil]

what

[fast pagoda]

download tarball

[midnight sigil]

why would you family get mad for using linux

[fast pagoda]

it's compiling in 2 second

[midnight sigil]

😭 🙏

[uneven pulsar]

they hate it

[midnight sigil]

how

[uneven pulsar]

they want control

[midnight sigil]

there're parent controls on linux

[uneven pulsar]

too stupid for it

[fast pagoda]

are they aware that they are subscribing to a "guy who watched one apple ad in 2004 and didnt check if it was true then or ever again" mindset

[midnight sigil]

[uneven pulsar]

Yet my mom don’t even know how to properly use Facebook

and i got my hypocrite sister who a stupid frontend developer

[fast pagoda]

can't get immutable osx

[midnight sigil]

[opaque sigil]

clearly the answer is nix-darwin

[midnight sigil]

my mom don't even know how to use a phone properly lol

she just decided to let me do my shit cuz she has no idea what am I doing

[uneven pulsar]

The worst part she is insane she believes life is all about hanging out freinds job romance shit same thing

she hates game

[fast pagoda]

i mean it might be about that

for her

lol

[midnight sigil]

I mean, that's true, it is what you should be doing if you're like <12 years old

[uneven pulsar]

i am not 12

[midnight sigil]

so she's wrong

[uneven pulsar]

23

i am 23

[midnight sigil]

💀

[uneven pulsar]

FUCKING 23

she vibe codes

[midnight sigil]

that's crazy

[uneven pulsar]

that i do her code

and she yelled AT ME FOR NOT FINDING HER A FREE VPN

[midnight sigil]

what kind of family is that lmaoo

[uneven pulsar]

don’t ask me

[midnight sigil]

a mixture of traditional and modern mindset

[uneven pulsar]

she bas both

[midnight sigil]

the bad part of both lol

[uneven pulsar]

I hate my life

i told her let me get a 500 pc build and she said no

she so stupid she got scammed cuz she brought a 2013 MacBook

[jagged turtle]

what

[uneven pulsar]

don’t ask

they go crazy

[jagged turtle]

example?

[uneven pulsar]

like she hates when i play games like ultrakill

dude its so shit to talk about

[jagged turtle]

vibecoding can be acceptable

but very dependent on skill level

[uneven pulsar]

She been using svelte

the easiest shit you can think

[fast pagoda]

if they are glueless then just install linux and config the desktop to look like osx

[jagged turtle]

does she also get mad because youtube has to put ads up to pay the hosting bills

[uneven pulsar]

she doesn’t really care abt yt insta girl

[sage crag]

brain coral

[jagged turtle]

there probably already is a linux flavour that makes it look like osx

[jagged turtle]

what about like

any other service that asks her to pay shit

[sage crag]

🐟 🪸 🌊

[fast pagoda]

bruh i hate when people moan about youtube ads and then unironically insist it should just be 100% free no matter what because reasons, no ads, nothing to support it because google has money
maybe because of the ads lol

[jagged turtle]

it's the same issue with most ai haters

they aren't fighting ai because they actually understand the harms it can cause

they're just fighting because "it's ai"

[fast pagoda]

yt premium i easily get me $10 per month or w/e out of it and i never have ads crazy

[sage crag]

i think its fair to complain about the content of those ads

[fast pagoda]

i wouldn't know what's in them and it's never about the content other than maybe it's long

[jagged turtle]

complaining about ad content is fine considering they can be, questionable, at times

[fast pagoda]

if they have like r18 ads then yea that's fair

but mostly i just see people malding that there are ads at all

[midnight sigil]

youtube gave me one month free trial

[sage crag]

in reality, even without ads, google could probably run youtube at a loss until the end of time

that wouldnt fund creators though

[fast pagoda]

of course they could but they're a business lol

[sage crag]

mhm

[midnight sigil]

imagine google dying

[fast pagoda]

youtube consumes im sure nearly incomprehensible bandwidth

[jagged turtle]

lots of creators are living someone dependently on adsense rev

unwise, sure, but that's the reality

[midnight sigil]

other companies will probably have to keep google alive, since it's almost the foundation of the web economy

[fast pagoda]

all i know is i'm more than happy to pay for something i use literally every single day, all day

[jagged turtle]

ironically right now at least, google dying would be bad

[fast pagoda]

and it's so miniscule as far as cost compared to everything else i pay for anyways

[sage crag]

its hard to get on patreon, memberships, donos, etc unless you are a large creator with a strong fanbase

ads are easier to entry for sure

[midnight sigil]

the Anti-Monopoly Law is real

other companies can't let it die

or they'll get into trouble

[jagged turtle]

thing is, right now, some other stuff are still attached to google, like chromium and android

[sage crag]

and a large portion of the world's email accounts

[fast pagoda]

[sage crag]

lol

[rigid snow]

web standards will finally stop spawning

[midnight sigil]

my steam account

[sage crag]

ideally google would create foundations for these and then step back

[rigid snow]

and we’ll all finally live at peace

[jagged turtle]

in the case of google running youtube at a loss, no amount of help will be sustainable enough

[jagged turtle]

one big upside

[fast pagoda]

if google goes down then carbon will never be finished and the world will never have another c++ replacement

[sage crag]

idk, have you seen how many standards the wasm foundation makes a week

lol

[sage crag]

oh the horror

[tender river]

not the 1 billionth C alternative

[fast pagoda]

i cant live to see that reality come to pass

[jagged turtle]

honestly that's why I'm waiting for google's chrome and android divestiture

[bitter coral]

Aware I lost my old Minecraft account because the email service shut down.

[midnight sigil]

c++ alternative? never!

[fast pagoda]

i know it would be horrible

dont worry theyve been working on it for like what 10 years and just got to milestone 2

[sage crag]

i think truly open android might kill it though to be honest

[rigid snow]

wasm is w3c right?

[sage crag]

something like that

[rigid snow]

also aren’t they all proposals

[jagged turtle]

how so?

[rigid snow]

that never get finalized

[sage crag]

yes but people keep implementing them because all they have are proposals

[umbral thorn]

[tender river]

[sage crag]

see rust nightly

[sage crag]

ellie

[noble zodiac]

I have like 6 different nightly rust features enabled atm

[rigid snow]

wasi-preview1

[uneven pulsar]

no

she mostly waste her money on going to parties

[tender river]

haskell is infamous for having {-# LANGUAGE ... #-} annotations everywhere

[sage crag]

i think that device drivers and support would be problematic if google cedes android. not sure how true it is though

[fast pagoda]

google leaving android would be
probably horrible for android

[jagged turtle]

possible

maybe

[fast pagoda]

catastrophic

[rigid snow]

can we get android market back

[fast pagoda]

no

[jagged turtle]

so why is it that she's complaining about vpns not being free (at least I think that's what I'm seeing)

[fast pagoda]

also there are other android apk repos

[tender river]

when they switched it to play market my dad thought i installed it on my moms phone

[sage crag]

ellie can you send this to quack

[fast pagoda]

grab dat f-droid

experience UI design from 2014

[sage crag]

f-droid and obtainium

[sage crag]

theres a multitude of fdroid frontends

[rigid snow]

fdroid will kill a normie from opening it alone

[sage crag]

a good one is aurora droid

very easy to use

[fast pagoda]

laughed irl

[sage crag]

remember back in what, 2018, when samsung was trying to make their own mobile os

[fast pagoda]

they still have that farting around on their watches dont they

[jagged turtle]

how did you manage to make me omegalul irl

[fast pagoda]

tizen

[uneven pulsar]

she doesn’t want to pay

or use credit cards

[sage crag]

schizo

ellie are you capable of sending more than just emotes here

[fast pagoda]

isn't Proton VPN free?

[jagged turtle]

brooooooooooooooooooooo

[tender river]

she did earlier

[jagged turtle]

i'm guessing they wouldn't like how limited it is

[fast pagoda]

free lunch and yes i would like to eat the whole thing without sharing

[sage crag]

yes, and apparently they dont sell your data, though its not possible to validate or invalidate that claim

[umbral thorn]

gpu broke

[sage crag]

he'll still have 100 left

[stark needle]

chat is this latency low enough

[sage crag]

[fast pagoda]

no

[umbral thorn]

[stark needle]

how low should it be

[fast pagoda]

0

actually

[tender river]

negative

[sage crag]

-1

[fast pagoda]

it should predict the future

and respond before you ask

[sage crag]

like me

[fast pagoda]

conversational branch prediction

[stark needle]

konii what am i about to ask

[fast pagoda]

tbf most llms will actually do that if you let them respond to themselves

[sage crag]

you about to type some letters

[fast pagoda]

AI version of popeyes service

"i dunno bitch"

[sage crag]

20 yuros

[stark needle]

how tf do i get lower latency than 540ms

[fast pagoda]

"thanks" - me

[sage crag]

better gpu

[stark needle]

I WISH I HAD A 4090

[sage crag]

im not genie

sory

[bitter coral]

By reducing it

[stark needle]

YES HOW

[sage crag]

latency gets smaller if you reduce it

duhh

[stark needle]

i am already doing everything to minimize latency

[sage crag]

nope, you should make a LUT of all possible outputs

[rough bloom]

you could generate a tree of possible continuations ahead of time and then select the one thats closest to what the user actually said
surely it wouldn't even be that inefficient because of batching
-# it'll just be really stupid very often

[tender river]

invent a sota latency optimized architecture

[stark needle]

smallest model possible that still works for all, agressive compilation, mixed precision

[sage crag]

with btrees in it

[fast pagoda]

s p a r s e

[sage crag]

s p a r s e

[stark needle]

i am already using sparsity

[fast pagoda]

every time i broke echo he'd go ahead and do the entire conversation up to his token limit

badly

[sage crag]

something something diagonalisable matrix

awa

[fast pagoda]

honestly not even that badly really

[bitter coral]

S p a r s e

[fast pagoda]

since he was trained on my messages he usually got whatever inane bullshit i was going to say down pretty well

[sage crag]

you should fish nesus

[tender river]

true!

[south needle]

it is finally training my self supervised speech embeddings :)

[rough bloom]

if it still has your real messages in the context then yeah it shouldn't be horrible at continuing that (unless the model was completely fried during post-training)

[sage crag]

im not a fish awa

[fast pagoda]

well the post training was my messages as well so he could continue after like 2 and not be horribly off

[midnight sigil]

TV

[fast pagoda]

he was usually turbo ultra fried when he was that broken tho

[midnight sigil]

[fast pagoda]

i need to resume training on that now that i can actually run the training notebook on my pc without wanting to die

because of course i now use arch (btw)

[sage crag]

a wa

[fast pagoda]

aawagga

[faint sandal]

[fast pagoda]

the alias for baloo search is fking baloosearch6

ok it's getting disabled that's it

[rigid snow]

WAIT FR, you know one of the ways instagram popped off initially? they started uploading your image before you’ve even written the caption and hit publish

start responding to every prompt as it’s being typed

[tender river]

its very likely that this will be used for conversational ai

this isnt some kind of groundbreaking concept

even vedal mentioned potentially doing that on a dev stream

[fast pagoda]

im sure there's at least a couple implementations of that out there already

someone has to have tried at least

prediction engine -> need to speed it up -> what if we just have it constantly speculate for speed
basic concept is all over the place with computing alone

[rigid snow]

for this to work you have to have a pause between the end of typing the prompt and sending it

[fast pagoda]

no cuz if you got any of the response correct you already have predicted enough to eliminate some latency

[rigid snow]

lossy

[tender river]

also you can run multiple prediction branches in parallel

[fast pagoda]

it's basically speculative decoding but for the user's input

instead of the llm's output

[rough bloom]

it would work if you also predict the prompt, yeah

[rigid snow]

i didn’t even think of predicting the prompt

of course, they’re llms

[fast pagoda]

they be predicting

[rigid snow]

you kinda can build apps

just not xcode projects

[tender river]

nix has to use the entire xcode in lots of darwin derivations

[fast pagoda]

i like xcode theme for vscode sometimes

[rigid snow]

i do not have xcode installed

[tender river]

fake fan

[rigid snow]

shit software that i don’t use that takes up 15gb

of disk space

yes 15gb somehow

for an ide

[fast pagoda]

visual studio steve jobs edition

[tender river]

i went to a pc store a couple days ago

some overheard conversations:

• about mobile plans and how 50gb might not be enough if you decided to seed a movie
• about something wanting a cmf phone but deciding against it because of the half baked rom
• able apple being a religion

[fast pagoda]

seeding anything on your phone

phone people are unhinged

[tender river]

how did i mistype about as able

[fast pagoda]

people that live their entire life out of a phone

[tender river]

@sage crag this is your doing

[fast pagoda]

my sister does that

[rigid snow]

unlimited is so easy to get for cheap btw

[fast pagoda]

desperately tries to never use a desktop or laptop of any kinda

[tender river]

they were talking about hotspots tbf

[fast pagoda]

even so

that's even dumber because they are almost always limited lol

[rigid snow]

i have unlimited hotspot for $3/mo

[fast pagoda]

at least phones kinda have unlimited ez

well unless you're mlnt

[tender river]

i have unlimited internet for ~10-15 rubles a day

[fast pagoda]

finally, the db i was waiting for

[rigid snow]

so about the same then

[tender river]

any hotspot becomes unlimited if you set client devices' ttl to 65

[rigid snow]

im not talking about a separate charge

i pay $3/mo for my unlimited plan that is unlimited on hotspot as well

[tender river]

i dont pay usually because im fine with not having internet when i go outside

[rigid snow]

i am almost never home so

[tender river]

incidentally

[rigid snow]

not paying is boss

[tender river]

i wont be home for a few hours

bye internet

[fast pagoda]

i dont need internet when im out of the house because im at work and that means im busy for 10 hours

no internets for me except for work related because god forbit i ahve 1 second to do anything

i just need enough internet to stream youtube audio in the car on the way home

for an hour

[rigid snow]

not working hard enough smh

[fast pagoda]

truly

i just have to answer so many idiotic questions all day and then dont have any of my crap done because i spent the whole day doing someone else's job for them

very exciting

[tender river]

before i go heres a fun word https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slopsquatting

[fast pagoda]

kek

i hope the aliens find wikipedia

[rigid snow]

cargo add react or something

idk what they can hallucinate

well, they do love hallucinating dart packages

in my experience

[rigid snow]

because none actually exist

[fast pagoda]

usually if they make up packages it'll be ancient ones and not truly nonexistent ones

for me

but i also dont use anything worse than like sonnet 4 for anything involving programming help or the cli

cant really remember the last time i both needed halp because dumb in a terminal and also had the lllm be dumb in its recommendation

[rigid snow]

i specifically asked about packages that could solve my problem, because i don’t care enough about the dart/flutter ecosystem

turns out for a very good reason

[fast pagoda]

ive explored flutter approximately once

it ran realy slow for something trivial so i said aight bye

also havent been able to get wezterm working for weeks on wayland and finally actually bothered to try

[rigid snow]

it was usually great perf wise for me

[rigid snow]

on ios perchance?

[fast pagoda]

nah it was a webapp/desktop windows target

[midnight sigil]

I did a refactor on my code, now I'm thrown away by my action 3 hours ago

[rigid snow]

yeah no flutter and web don’t mix and whoever came up with the idea to add web as a target to flutter should get fired

[midnight sigil]

I broke some shit that I don't know how and where

[fast pagoda]

classic regression

time to throw out the last FOUR hours

[fast pagoda]

kek

yeah web performance was dogwater that's all i know

[rigid snow]

it always was and always will be

on the other hand flutter on desktop is great because you don’t depend on any native ui

[fast pagoda]

WezTerm + KDE Wayland + NVIDIA proprietary drivers btw also shit combo apparently if u want it to

work

had to force it to use x11

[rigid snow]

it’s almost like electron but less dogshit for the end user

[fast pagoda]

i spent like an hour compiling electron 26 the other day

and then it failed

[rough bloom]

NVIDIA
can confirm that wezterm + Hyprland + amdgpu works fine without any extra config

[fast pagoda]

idk how it happened but it downloaded the entire chromium repo

like 50+ gb

and tried to compile it

just from the pkgbuild

[fast pagoda]

it's honestly been fine otherwise

the only package that has given me any trouble

well that and also niri is unhappy with this combo

i was expecting more issues using kwin wayland right from the go

[rough bloom]

there will also be tearing but yeah most applications (especially compositors) should work with NVIDIA now

[fast pagoda]

havent seen any tearing either

and ive been watchin

monitor is 265hz tho

so maybe that helps

[rough bloom]

KWin has always had decent support for Wayland on NVIDIA I think, even in the days before they fixed their driver

[fast pagoda]

i will say using hyprland is a no go at least on this particular cachy install

i tried and it exploded

so did niri

well, niri works

but it's got eye searing saturation on my screen

somehow

like the monitor is OLED

and

ive NEVER

seen color that vivid from it

in a bad way

i wonder if it comes through on a screenshot actually

[ivory plinth]

behold
the abomination

[fast pagoda]

im more upset at the default plasma background

idk but that background is upsetting to me

probably because it means i've just reinstalled plasma

[trim valve]

could this be a wide gamut issue

because iirc a lot of oleds are P3

[fast pagoda]

it probably is some sort of HDR problem

if i had to guess

because it has HDR on in kde

[trim valve]

hm

it could be both too

[fast pagoda]

it doesn't translate however it was VERY unhappy when i swapped over

the terminal is very blue

lol

My other monitor is not OLED

Look how fucking vibrant that shit is

Non niri regular cosmic is upset as well

My cornea

But this doesn't happen at all w/ kde or anything else I've tried just cosmic and niri

And cosmic and niri

Hyprland just doesn't uh

Doesn't work

It says nah

No issues except my side monitor being a vn panel on kee

Kde

And me aligning it badly again

[midnight sigil]

that's a cool mistake

if I declare count with int again, the result of int count = std::min(count, static_cast<int>(bubbleAbyss.size())); will be -858993460, where count was originally 2, and bubbleAbyss.size() being an unsigned long long with value 12

[fast pagoda]

that's what they said when i was born

overflow moment

[midnight sigil]

is it?

it works(count will be min(2, 12) = 2) if I remove the int though

feels like it's some compiler magic

[rough bloom]

does the count in std::min(count, ...) reference the new variable

if so then I think it would be uninitialized in this case

[fast pagoda]

yeah the 2nd one does not reference it

it's making a 2nd one

with the same name

[rough bloom]

that part is obvious, yes
the question is if that variable already exists for the expression being assigned to it or not

[fast pagoda]

count (inner) is uninitialized -> it gets declared -> compiler references the uninitialized garbled

[midnight sigil]

I don't understand this sentence

[rough bloom]

doesn't matter anymore, I have confirmed the issue
it does indeed reference the inner (uninitialized) variable

[midnight sigil]

[fast pagoda]

[midnight sigil]

compiler magic

[fast pagoda]

that -858993460 is just 0xCCCCCCCC

aka garbage

[midnight sigil]

ahhh now that make sense

new knowledge

this number will now be in my dna forever

[fast pagoda]

well if you see it just run it with a debugger

itll say hey this shit is debug garbage from ur compiler

[rough bloom]

looks like this is specific to MSVC debug executables btw
it's not some universal value that's used everywhere

[fast pagoda]

yeah it's specifically msvc

[midnight sigil]

that's why the linux executable compiled with g++ give error and the windows one don't

[fast pagoda]

------   --------        -------------------------
0xCD     Clean Memory    Allocated memory via malloc or new but never 
                         written by the application. 

0xDD     Dead Memory     Memory that has been released with delete or free. 
                         It is used to detect writing through dangling pointers. 

0xED or  Aligned Fence   'No man's land' for aligned allocations. Using a 
0xBD                     different value here than 0xFD allows the runtime
                         to detect not only writing outside the allocation,
                         but to also identify mixing alignment-specific
                         allocation/deallocation routines with the regular
                         ones.

0xFD     Fence Memory    Also known as "no mans land." This is used to wrap 
                         the allocated memory (surrounding it with a fence) 
                         and is used to detect indexing arrays out of 
                         bounds or other accesses (especially writes) past
                         the end (or start) of an allocated block.

0xFD or  Buffer slack    Used to fill slack space in some memory buffers 
0xFE                     (unused parts of `std::string` or the user buffer 
                         passed to `fread()`). 0xFD is used in VS 2005 (maybe 
                         some prior versions, too), 0xFE is used in VS 2008 
                         and later.

0xCC                     When the code is compiled with the /GZ option,
                         uninitialized variables are automatically assigned 
                         to this value (at byte level). 


// the following magic values are done by the OS, not the C runtime:

0xAB  (Allocated Block?) Memory allocated by LocalAlloc(). 

0xBAADF00D Bad Food      Memory allocated by LocalAlloc() with LMEM_FIXED,but 
                         not yet written to. 

0xFEEEFEEE               OS fill heap memory, which was marked for usage, 
                         but wasn't allocated by HeapAlloc() or LocalAlloc(). 
                         Or that memory just has been freed by HeapFree(). ```

[south needle]

you might get faster results by tts-ing already streamed outputs from llm

[fast pagoda]

0xBAADF00D is the best one

[rough bloom]

there are a lot of those
I think the only ones I've seen in the wild so far are 0xCAFEBABE and 0xDEADBEEF

[fast pagoda]

lmao

[midnight sigil]

food

[rough bloom]

thank you Sun Microsystems for that first one

[desert plaza]

classic 0xDEADBEEF

[fast pagoda]

0xFEE1DEAD

me irl

that's usually what i output

0x1337BEEF

1337BEEF is my next pc name

[rough bloom]

face:b00c

it's real

[midnight sigil]

face:b00c

[rigid snow]

this is so funny

[fast pagoda]

the sacred texts

[rigid snow]

deadbeef is ancient lore in 96 guys

[fast pagoda]

that post is like a year older than me

younger

actually

i cannot into math

[rigid snow]

btw actual answer

[midnight sigil]

CAFEBABE is 3405691582, it has 69 in the center, and the sum of all digits is 43. 69 is perfect, and 43 is greater than the answer to life, the universe and everything by 1

[rigid snow]

schizo

[midnight sigil]

oh I realized my dumbness

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[rigid snow]

[desert plaza]

uh, mmap syscall keeps telling me -1 EFAULT (Bad Address)

[midnight sigil]

if I have something I couldn't figure out, I post a screenshot here and I'll instantly notice the issue

always been like this

[desert plaza]

i wish that was me

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

why are we brking

[desert plaza]

cuz

[sage crag]

brk(NULL) seems dubious

bwa

[desert plaza]

brk(NULL)tells me the current program break

[fast pagoda]

bad structure on mmap

[desert plaza]

this is the code ```dmp

brk

B8 2D 00 00 00
BB 00 00 00 00
CD 80
BB 00 A0 CB 7F

mmap

B8 5A 00 00 00
B9 00 10 00 00
BA 03 00 00 00
BE 20 00 00 00
BF FF FF FF FF
BD 00 00 00 00
CD 80

munmap

89 C3
B8 5B 00 00 00
BB 00 10 00 00
CD 80

exit

B8 01 00 00 00
BB 00 00 00 00
CD 80

brk is irrelevant here though

[sage crag]

no one here is parsing that except for you

[desert plaza]

really?

damn

[fast pagoda]

what got sent to mmap is not good for it

[sage crag]

i have a mmap implementation, why not just use it bwa

[desert plaza]

in hblang?

[sage crag]

yes

[midnight sigil]

it's not a good thing, trust me

[desert plaza]

i can't compile, zig says error

hbc

[sage crag]

wa

i sent the implementation earlier

[desert plaza]

i thought i put the correct values in the correct registers though

[fast pagoda]

try set %ebx to NULL

[sage crag]

hang on im fiddling with a build script, i will send you a disasm in a minute

[desert plaza]

does not work

EFAULT

[fast pagoda]

rip

[desert plaza]

sounds like magic though, just post a screenshot to solve any problem

[sage crag]

mmap:
    sub rsp, 0x08 ; some weird stack alignment thing. yay compiler.
    xor rdi, rdi ; addr
    mov rax, 0x09 ; sys_mmap
    mov rsi, 0x64 ; len
    mov rdx, 0x03 ; mprot = prot_write | prot_read
    mov r10, 0x22 ; flags = map_private | map_anonymous
    mov r8, 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ; fd = -1 (or ~0) as map_anonymous
    xor r9, r9 ; honestly dont know what this is, it's just 0
    syscall

x86_64

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

pretty sure mmap is the same between x86_64 and x86, par the register widths and syscall

though the syscall number is probably different

[fast pagoda]

mmap2

[sage crag]

syscall numbers are different between x86 and x86_64

[desert plaza]

yup 0x5A

[cobalt sigil]

[rigid snow]

ipad 2

i have one

[fast pagoda]

gptee says
Your munmap code copies the mmap return value into ebx (mov ebx,eax) and then immediately overwrites ebx with 0x1000

To fix the program, set ebx to 0 before calling mmap, set flags to include MAP_PRIVATE (for example, mov esi,0x22), and preserve the returned address for munmap

[desert plaza]

oh, it seems my program had another bug. but this doesn't solve the problem

[sage crag]

@tender river since you wont be seeing this in lily for a while, im sending the script here

its not particularly robust but it does the job

[desert plaza]

the solution your gpt offered was just mmap(NULL)

[sage crag]

probably still better than ./build though

ehh bugs be abound

i havent tested it much

also probably want to remove the random -l/usr/lib/libraylib.so i was testing dynamic builds

ok found an egregious bug already

[sage crag]

good enough

[desert plaza]

uhh, what linux kernel version is this targeting?

[sage crag]

like, a new one

[desert plaza]

oh

is 5.4.0 old?

[sage crag]

its an LTS kernel that EOL's in december this year

[midnight sigil]

you still need to have knowledge about that problem so you can identify it yourself

[desert plaza]

i feel like i'm going insane

[sage crag]

buddy

you write machine code manually

[desert plaza]

found teh bug

wait

wait no

wait yes?

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-gif-15449497793648793961

[uneven pulsar]

segma programmer 💀

[midnight sigil]

ngl this AWA interpreter thing is my second actual C++ project

[uneven pulsar]

w h a r

[midnight sigil]

one my mom ask me to do a gambling prediction thing, one this

[sage crag]

seems reasonable

[uneven pulsar]

me after using my gambling algorithms

[sage crag]

bytecode interpreters are pretty simple projects if you already have programming experience

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/e5u0plZdglZ.gif

[sage crag]

i imagine the hardest part of it was the spec being wrong

[midnight sigil]

I have made 2 pseudo-code interpreters with a similar structure(as in processing the code) with Java before

[uneven pulsar]

GUYS MY DAD BROUGHT MY APP for 5$

i am now bruce Wayne

[midnight sigil]

I always wanted to do an actual tree-walk interpreter or bytecode vm instead of this kinda stuff

[uneven pulsar]

https://tenor.com/ufsVw6GQKRm.gif

[sage crag]

if you can use java you can use c++

[midnight sigil]

:neuroTrue:

if you can use Java you can use C#

and this list goes on

[desert plaza]

fukin finally, just finished writing your version in 64-bit and it works

is this code cursed y'all? ```dmp

mmap

48 83 EC 08
48 31 FF
48 BA 22 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4C 8B D2
48 B8 FF FF FF FF FF FF FF FF
4C 8B C0
48 B9 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
4C 8B C9
48 B8 09 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
48 BE 64 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
48 BA 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F 05

munmap

48 89 C7
48 B8 0B 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
48 BE 00 10 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F 05

exit

48 B8 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
48 BF 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
0F 05

i still don't know what's wrong with my 32-bit version though

is my reference syscall table outdated or somethn

[rough bloom]

it should be system call number 90 on x86

[sage crag]

possibly

[desert plaza]

yeah, 90 is what i'm using, but the arguments never show up in strace for some reason

mmap just returns EFAULT and gives no indication that it received the args

except for addr

ig i can't use IA-32 for my compiler then

[rough bloom]

I was very confused why you were talking about Itanium for a moment

[rigid snow]

such a shame really

[desert plaza]

guys IA-32 is just what intel calls 32-bit mode

[rough bloom]

they also decided to call Itanium IA-64

[rigid snow]

incredible

[rough bloom]

I always hear IA-32 referred to as i386 or i686 or literally anything except IA-32

[desert plaza]

yeah, i call it IA-32 because the manual says so

uhh, how do i output a 32-bit elf with nasm

nvm i did it

[formal quartz]

oh boy french method comments in a new unit i want to use, first time i had that happen xD

[desert plaza]

this code returns -1 EFAULT (Bad Address) ```x86asm
mov eax, 0x5A
mov ebx, 0
mov ecx, 0x1000
mov edx, 0x3
mov esi, 0x22
mov edi, -1
mov ebp, 0
int 0x80

am going insane

[opaque wharf]

So just another day then

[olive sable]

Hello

Goodmorning

[opaque wharf]

One way to start your morning Sam

There's also another dude that cooks noodle with 7 eggs in the next server

[rigid snow]

is this fucking pascal

[olive sable]

Ye nah its 2pm, ill wait till we go after fries at 7pm

[opaque wharf]

CheatEngine is written in Pascal

[rigid snow]

i'm not shaming

it's just rare

i'm surprised to see it

[desert plaza]

i suppose

[opaque wharf]

Fries sounds good

[midnight sigil]

egg

calculate the gaussian curvature of that egg please

I want to know

[opaque wharf]

About 0.2

Do note that since I am an engineer, the numbers may not be precise but good enough

Wait no, not precise. Accurate.

[midnight sigil]

can't unfold the egg to match the table

[opaque wharf]

Well, egg is a closed shape after all

[desert plaza]

no fukin way, it worked

i just changed the syscall number and it worked

does 32-bit mmap really only accept one operand

i must investigate

[rough bloom]

mmap2 is supposed to be the same as mmap except for the file offset (which is 0 in your case so it shouldn't matter)

[desert plaza]

yeah

that is puzzling

strace really just shows mmap is accepting just one argument

[opaque wharf]

So either the docs is lying or you found implementation bug

[desert plaza]

hmm

[olive sable]

my vscode broke bwaa

when i start my pc the lockscreen starts in that little square at the top before my pc realizes to make it fullscreen, and now vscode is doing that too

[opaque wharf]

Another windows L

[desert plaza]

docs lie?

the only difference here is the syscall number in mmap vs mmap2

all other registers are the same

[rough bloom]

mmap requires arguments to be passed differently

it takes one pointer to the list of arguments in ebx

[desert plaza]

i had a suspicion it was that

but does it take a pointer to the args or a pointer to a list of pointers to the args

[rough bloom]

pointer to the args, hopefully

[nocturne olive]

Windows moment

[rough bloom]

does it need to be aligned? is there any padding between arguments? idk

[desert plaza]

would be easier if pointer pointer

[desert plaza]

would be nice if this was documented, y'know

[rough bloom]

the source code is the documentation
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/linux/syscalls.h?h=v6.16#n1204

[verbal grove]

i completely forgot trovalds made docs for that stuff

[desert plaza]

ugh, i guess this works

super easy to find mhm

being able to navigate a monolith of a code base like this must be nice

wait...

it says "obsolete"

[rough bloom]

yeah, replaced by mmap2

[desert plaza]

my reference table didn't say that

welp

i'll just use mmap2 then

[rough bloom]

yeah, that'll be the best solution if you just want to get it to work

you only need mmap for systems that don't have mmap2 yet

(speaking only about 32-bit x86 systems of course, x86_64 only has normal mmap)

[noble zodiac]

afaik mmap was deprecated like 30 years ago in the 90s

[sage crag]

not on x86

_64

[opaque wharf]

Would be easier to actually use a compiler you know

[desert plaza]

nah, compilers are esoteric exception generators

must compile by hand

[maiden geyser]

mmap was so good they had to make a sequel?

[sage crag]

you

its you

you are the compiler

[sage crag]

its the other way

[midnight sigil]

you see, back in the days people without compilers can still code

[sage crag]

mmap was so bad they made a sequel

[sage crag]

yes, with an assembler

[midnight sigil]

nor an assembler

they code on vacuum tubes

[opaque wharf]

Is assembler not count as a compiler?

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

it's a part in the compiler

[sage crag]

like, 1950

[sage crag]

no

[desert plaza]

somebody had to make the assembler y'know

[sage crag]

yes, the first assembler will have been machine code

the next assembler will have been written with the first assembler

[sage crag]

assembler is a standalone thing

compilers dont have assemblers in them

[opaque wharf]

Why is assembler not a compiler?

[sage crag]

assemblers do less work

an assembler directly translates assembly to machine code

a compiler does a lot more

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I'd say they just churn out machine code from human readable text too

[sage crag]

well, in principle you are correct

however you are also completely wrong

[midnight sigil]

compilers compile human readable code to assembly, then assemble them with an assembler.
at least that's how the gcc/g++ toolchain works

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

no, compilers convert human readable code to an AST, which they then convert to an intermediary representation (not assembly), and then that IR is converted to machine code directly

its not assembly, nor is it similar

[midnight sigil]

explain how I can generate assembly code with a compiler, and feeding the assembly code back to the compiler would generate an object file

[sage crag]

the compiler can generate assembly backwards from the IR

[sage crag]

gcc a.asm actually calls ar which is the gnu assembler

its just a convenience wrapper, not part of the gcc compiler

[midnight sigil]

it's in the toolchain tho

I'm not saying compilers use assembly as the intermediate representation/language, I'm just saying assembler is one of its toolchain

a part of compilers

[sage crag]

an assembler is only part of a compiler if your language has an asm() feature

in c++'s case, you could use __asm__(), and that would be assembled by the compiler. however, an assembler is not part of a generic compiler. that is an extra feature.

assemblers arent compilers, and having an assembler isnt a requirement to be a compiler. hence they are only loosely related.

[midnight sigil]

yuh

[stark needle]

gpt5 system card

https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/8124a3ce-ab78-4f06-96eb-49ea29ffb52f/gpt5-system-card-aug7.pdf

[opaque wharf]

I am not downloading pdf from the internet

[sage crag]

to explain why this is wrong: it's about the layer of abstraction

[midnight sigil]

this is why SumatraPDF is perfect for your need

Open-source, free. Under GPL license

[stark needle]

90% of the paper is on safety

😭

[opaque wharf]

Ye I get the gist but I don't think it matters much

[rough bloom]

the system cards always are

[opaque wharf]

Assembler also needs to parse the assembly no?

Not to mention they also need to keep track of label and such

[sage crag]

with assemblers, a mov a, b will always be some mov, regardless of what a and b are. this is a direct translation from human readable text to machine code. this will be compiled to just one binary representation in machine code, because assembly is not generally portable between architectures.

with compilers, a = b does not have to do anything. the compiler is allowed to completely remove it if it wants to. it is an indirect translation from human readable text to machine code. this could be compiled to many different binary representations in machine code, depending on the target architecture.

[midnight sigil]

sounds like an AWA interpreter

[sage crag]

1: jmp :1
1 is just an address. jmp :1 is just goto this address.
the only thing that needs to be tracked is the relative offset to the start of the section and the name. it's not analagous to a compiler.

[midnight sigil]

👆

[tender river]

awa

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-huh-gif-15321953

But both convert human text to machine code

[sage crag]

i believe you have missed the point

anyway, assemblers dont even require writing their own parser.

bin := .(
    .li8(1, 255),
    .tx
)

this is an assembler in hblang for hbvm. it just works. there is no extra code to this.

[midnight sigil]

they're simply not on the same level

[sage crag]

an assembler is just a serialiser

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

or, a deserialiser

[opaque wharf]

Right, this I can agree on at least

[sage crag]

a compiler is a parser, a syntax tree, an intermediary representation, an optimiser, and a code generation program, that converts abstract instructions (that dont map directly to machine code) to binary representations in machine code

its a much more complicated thing.

[noble zodiac]

ok, either rust wasm messed up, javascript messed up, or most unlikely, I messed up

but this shit aint working

[olive sable]

"or most unlikely, I messed up"

[tender river]

whenever you think hblang is being weird

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/types/byte.html

[sage crag]

std::byte

[tender river]

enum class byte : unsigned char {};

[sage crag]

enum class (its an unsigned char)

(an enum) (with no variants)

[tender river]

it says it doesnt implement arithmetic operations but only comparisons and bitwise operations

[noble zodiac]

nah this stuff legit bugged

[tender river]

c++ isn't real

[sage crag]

wait what

is it only unary binops

no because comparisons

[tender river]

no, binary too

[sage crag]

so why no arithmetic

why

[rough bloom]

std::byte models a mere collection of bits

[opaque wharf]

I think because a byte is a very opaque type

[sage crag]

its mere collection of bits

[sage crag]

a > b ✅
a + b ❌

[tender river]

we have bitset<8>

why byte

[sage crag]

size of byte is platform variant

apparently

[opaque wharf]

You can have orders without notion of "size"

[sage crag]

@tender river does it implement a ^ x

[tender river]

yuh

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

[tender river]

wait it gets worse

byte is defined in <cstddef>

which is the C++ counterpart of C stddef.h

except stddef.h, understandably, doesn't define a "enum class byte"

[sage crag]

c++

[neat parrot]

why the hell is vsc taking 2 gb of ram

[sage crag]

electron

• lsp

• big files

[tender river]

lsp is a separate process.. probably

[sage crag]

• microsoft (eat ram)

[tender river]

windows may show it as a process tree though

[neat parrot]

💔

[sage crag]

byte bite

a byter

@scarlet arch

[neat parrot]

i dont have the ram for this gang

im migrating

[sage crag]

switch to ed

[tender river]

?

[sage crag]

switch to tee

switch to dding bytes manually

[neat parrot]

maybe notepad is the best ide there is

[olive sable]

no def not

[tender river]

wait i forgor i wanted to try out helix

[sage crag]

at least use kate

[sage crag]

kakoune (rust)

[tender river]

kakoune (nonextensible)

[neat parrot]

wait no ive been saved

[sage crag]

that's because its memory safe™

[neat parrot]

its back down to 400 mb

[olive sable]

how much ram you have that u cant spare 2gb for your ide?

[opaque wharf]

2GB probably

Or 4

[neat parrot]

ive got 16 but 2gb for something editing my code is murder

not even chrome uses that much

[olive sable]

it does

[neat parrot]

not for me

its on par but still less

[rough bloom]

I'm currently trying out Helix
getting used to the new keybinds is annoying, I still always press x instead of d
the editor in general seems nice though, haven't tried their LSP integration stuff yet

[sage crag]

me when Isolated Web Container

(firefox pretending that it isnt eating 4 gb ram)

[tender river]

[olive sable]

ye..

firefo like my ram

[sage crag]

erf

i have two versions of electron running simultaneously

[neat parrot]

casually eating 2.5 gb up there like its nothing

[olive sable]

i mean, to me 2gb is nothing

[neat parrot]

yeahh i can tell

29%

[olive sable]

even when i had 16gb of ram, i bought the full 16gb im using the full 16gb

now i have 64gb but thats for blender

[neat parrot]

im constantly on 80%+

[sage crag]

dont use the full 16gb unless you have swap

[olive sable]

blender likes eating ram

[sage crag]

that's how you crash your pc

[olive sable]

im not serious about using the full 16gb always

but i mean i dont mind if its full

[neat parrot]

i mean i was coding on 4gb like 3 or so years ago

and that wasnt terrible

in hindsight i shouldve used linux instead of windows

[olive sable]

depends on what you're making i guess

[sage crag]

you can still switch

[olive sable]

cuz i cant do shit with 4gb

[sage crag]

also why stop at windows go for bsd

[neat parrot]

at the time i was just on roblox studio and unity

[sage crag]

in fact why stop at bsd go for plan9

[neat parrot]

sometimes a lil bit of python

unity was HELL

because it kept crashing

4gb is NOT sufficient

[olive sable]

at 4gb ram i can see why

[sage crag]

:vedalYes:

[scarlet arch]

[rough bloom]

sometimes having swap enabled makes things worse
when the amount of frequently accessed memory crosses into swap then everything really slows down to the point that there is no interactivity
if you don't have swap the OOM killer triggers early and avoids this

[tender river]

hmm i think vim taught me to first think what i want to do and then think about where i want to do it so helix feels weird, like when deleting 4 words i first decide that i want to delete them and press d and then decide how many words i want to delete and press 4W

[rough bloom]

Byter

[neat parrot]

i bought a cooling pad yesterday

[olive sable]

these days 8gb is my bare minimum, if it doesnt have that much its basicly e-waste
preferably 16gb or more tho

[neat parrot]

would hope itll help

[scarlet arch]

[neat parrot]

8 gb is the lowest i think ill ever go again

[scarlet arch]

Heyo

[sage crag]

wa

[neat parrot]

yesterday i spent like 2 hours trying to figure out why my voice assistant project was using 2gb of ram

[tender river]

i'll still use helix for a few months to give it a proper try

[neat parrot]

it spiked from being 600mb after i made a slight upgrade

[noble zodiac]

I like it so far

[sage crag]

no, stop, bad. exploring new things is how you get ideas to break hblang.

[tender river]

[sage crag]

shtop

[tender river]

deliv

[sage crag]

<-

[opaque wharf]

Someone just said typescript type is 2nd only to rust

[sage crag]

cut ties

immediately

is it a hair pulling contest

[olive sable]

i broke everything again
coding stuff in multiple files is hard

[sage crag]

maybe in the one language where coding in multiple files is hard (c++)

[tender river]

typescript typesystem is second only to javascript

[neat parrot]

what language

[olive sable]

C++

[neat parrot]

yeah okay i get it now

[sage crag]

🇨➕➕

[olive sable]

C but better but actually worse

[sage crag]

fake person

[neat parrot]

cpp gives me flashbacks to when i tried making an OS

[sage crag]

robot

[neat parrot]

ill do it again sometime

[olive sable]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

[scarlet arch]

Based.

[olive sable]

no no no

byter

[scarlet arch]

I like Rust

What can I say

[opaque wharf]

Bro wdym based?

[olive sable]

but do you like typescript?

[scarlet arch]

Or am I understanding the sentence wrong

[sage crag]

your love of rust is blinding you

[scarlet arch]

Better than JS yeah, but not as much as Rust

[olive sable]

ok but its not 2nd to rust

[tender river]

nopy 🐛

[olive sable]

its like maybe 40th to rust

[scarlet arch]

Oh I thought they just meant Rust is better, not that it's literally second. I thought it was a phrase

[olive sable]

ah

[scarlet arch]

I retract my based

[olive sable]

you're forgiven

[sage crag]

/nopy/ (of a nope-like kind)

[scarlet arch]

Listen English is weird

[sage crag]

🐛

lamingo

(lame)

[olive sable]

ok its less broken now, it only crashes during swapchain recreation

[tender river]

[desert plaza]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_buffalo_Buffalo_buffalo

[opaque wharf]

I need to sleep

[sage crag]

its a parser tree

[olive sable]

i dont get it

[sage crag]

benub

[olive sable]

Simplified parse tree:
S = sentence
NP = noun phrase
RC = relative clause
VP = verb phrase
PN = proper noun
N = noun
V = verb

idfk what the hell a relative clause is supposed to be, i learned english with minecraft youtube

[desert plaza]

i learned english the same way

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F25ez8s3AsQ

have fun

[olive sable]

i ownt

[sage crag]

watch it

i dont know if its good i havent watched it

[opaque sigil]

Formal languages are kinda fun

[noble zodiac]

FUCK

[tender river]

[sage crag]

is

awa

[noble zodiac]

this might sound crazy, but it was indeed me

[tender river]

🏛️

[sage crag]

never say it probably wasnt your fault

it changes the odds

[olive sable]

[noble zodiac]

so I had this line that creates a dummy directory, then I added the function to delete directories, but not a reload after the delete, so I refreshed and that once again crated the dummy directory

[tender river]

right moving to the next line when you are at the end of the current line feels like witchcraft

[olive sable]

??? does it?

[tender river]

its weird

[olive sable]

isnt that how you're supposed to read?

[opaque wharf]

I think chay is talking about helix

[rough bloom]

yeah, it basically treats the newline character as a normal selectable character
makes sense but feels weird

[opaque wharf]

Code editor

[tender river]

okay so where is my 0/^/$

gl/gh

fair enough?

[noble zodiac]

helix --tutor

[tender river]

but i can press ^ without shift so its a bit sad to have it be longer

[noble zodiac]

has all the answers

[tender river]

im impatient

its annoying to move around the tutor without movement commands

it has them buried at the bottom or something

[rough bloom]

I read the first few paragraphs of the tutor but yeah it gets boring

[opaque wharf]

When is the stream bime again?

[olive sable]

ah, i have no clue what that is

[tender river]

in 2 hours

if its in schedule

[noble zodiac]

btw, helix --health lists all th LSP and stuff it found and auto configured

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, see you guys in 2 hours then

[tender river]

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[sage crag]

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mhm▯

[rough bloom]

there should be a Discord client mod that converts all timestamps to betric time
-# not that I would ever condone client mods, they're against ToS

[tender river]

i dont have any lsp installed globally but i have an old helix config i dont keep up to date with my vim config which should be good enough for starting out

[safe path]

[sage crag]

its ok boss

[safe path]

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

we at neuro-sama headquarters do not acknowledge the false existence of third party discord clients

[olive sable]

i dont condone mods, but...

[tender river]

no moving around code blocks with { or } i think i'll have to add a lot of custom keybindings to helix

if its something i do repeatedly it should be a single press away or at most a chord away

it shouldnt be a key sequence

[sage crag]

croutons

[tender river]

i didnt play rhythm games to navigate in my editor

[sage crag]

minimum fieryrage