programming

[opaque sigil]

following the error message usually makes it work

[uneven pulsar]

IV BEEN DEBATING FOR 2 HOURS

[desert plaza]

[opaque sigil]

i was going to say you can replace the Dict/List with dict/list but then i remembered this is python 3.8

[olive sable]

[uneven pulsar]

BRO

I AM DONE FOR TODAY

[opaque sigil]

googling the error helps a lot usually

or throwing it at an llm when it's a really long one

js is loosely typed tbf

[uneven pulsar]

@dataclass
class Make:
    name:str
    username:str
    password:str
    birthday:List[Dict[str,int]]
    id: int = field(default_factory=lambda: random.randint(1000, 9999))
    def print_summary(self) -> None:
        print(f"User: {self.username} (ID: {self.id})")

I JUST HAD TO MOVE THE ID DOWN AND WORKED BRO

[opaque sigil]

yeah, fields with a default value have to come after ones without

[opaque wharf]

What a novel concept

We should train an LLM to do that then

[opaque sigil]

as for why, it makes things less ambiguous when it comes to evaluating the actual values

@dataclass
class Make:
    name: str
    username: str = "test"
    password: str

if you pass Make("name", "1234") it doesn't know whether that 1234 should be the username or password

[jagged turtle]

[noble zodiac]

I'm waiting for adblocker to add an additional filter that removes all ai generated content

that would be so good

[opaque sigil]

aren't there blocklists for that

[noble zodiac]

iono are there any with any kind of quality control

[opaque sigil]

idk i never used any of them

i think they're mostly for images/videos

[opaque wharf]

What kind of content tho?

Because it would need a literal parser to do its job unlike the usual ad blocking

[jagged turtle]

what about an ai to remove ai generated content (no I'm serious (someone in my cs class chose that as their assessment (they don't even know how to train an AI)))

[noble zodiac]

I'd rather manually crowd source it

[rigid snow]

somehow ai articles have not been an issue for me

i’ve ever seen like 5 and it was immediately obvious

[sage crag]

https://github.com/laylavish/uBlockOrigin-HUGE-AI-Blocklist
seems like such things do exist

take a probe around

[rigid snow]

that’s ai “imagery” only

[noble zodiac]

I want text filtered

[opaque wharf]

Also context dependent. Some article using AI generated image for their thumbnail / illustration will be fine

[sage crag]

i said that such things do appear to exist and that you should probe around

not that what i sent was what you were looking for

[rigid snow]

no, block them and filter them and burn them to the ground

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

Then you need both text and image blocklist

[rigid snow]

tbh if you notice the author used an ai generated image they did an awful job at it

[opaque wharf]

I mean the alternative is buying stock photo or having a dedicated person creating the thumbnail

[sage crag]

ai generated image

[rigid snow]

the alternative is to just not use a photo

[tender river]

i hallucinated nesus in this channel

i thought i was in #gaming

[opaque wharf]

That is also a valid choice

But I doubt it will look as interesting to most people

[tender river]

you can use cc0 pictures

[noble zodiac]

I could get by reading IT related articles without the picture of a dude in a hoodie sitting in front of a pc in a dark room with green text on a black background

[rigid snow]

or an appropriate license. unsplash my beloved

iirc it’s something along the lines of use it however you want except for selling the picture by itself or as part of a library

and there’s so much stuff on unsplash

[opaque wharf]

Yes, stock photo. I should probably clarify that not always buy

[rigid snow]

you’d have a hard time not finding an appropriate picture for your article or whatever

[opaque wharf]

License a stock photo

[noble zodiac]

me personally I couldnt mind if the web was just 90% text

[opaque wharf]

I like having icon to quickly identify things

[sage crag]

i miss plaintext webpages with hyperlinks and bad image embeds

[rigid snow]

i curse you with permanent reader mode

[sage crag]

pretty bad for accessibility but still work better with screenreaders than modern websites

[last quest]

Permanent reader mode is great on a 90% text web. Not on a web filled with non stop media and ad slop.

[sage crag]

i havent had an advert in over 6 years

[rigid snow]

that’s why it’s a curse

[sage crag]

except on twitch

bwa

[noble zodiac]

90s webdesign was peak

[sage crag]

i wish more images had alt-text

it would make websites much more usable for people with screen readers

[rigid snow]

they do

[last quest]

I wish all websites were pretty much like this: https://musicforprogramming.net/latest/

[sage crag]

i said "more" not "some"

[rigid snow]

alt text missing is primarily a social media problem

[noble zodiac]

accessibility on the web is.... lacking and not because the means don't exist

its just that most peopl dont give a shit

[last quest]

Unfortunately..

[rigid snow]

go find a non ugc webpage where alt text is missing

[last quest]

Though it's not like we've given them a reason to, either.

[rigid snow]

this is rare

non ugc because users do not give a fuck about a11y

[noble zodiac]

literally looking at one as wee speak

[rigid snow]

what’s the website

[noble zodiac]

discord

do the avatars have the username as alt text? nope

[rigid snow]

i don’t even know what to say

[last quest]

Avataaaaaars disabled. :v

[rigid snow]

are avatars not user generated content or what

basically the only platform i’ve seen that bothers with ugc alt text is twitter

[noble zodiac]

its not a case where you would need to tell discord what the image alt text should be. its your avatar, its your nickname, its not that deep

[rigid snow]

and it’s very much optional

[rigid snow]

your screen reader does not need to see avatars

wtf is the point of “tsurai’s profile picture”

if you can’t see it

[rigid snow]

besides this is the wrongest way possible to do alt text

[last quest]

I mean I'm in agreement, but my policy is anything I can't enjoy in reader mode goes into the trash and is blacklisted.

Lot of heavy handed abstinence over here.

[rough bloom]

the way Twitter does it is probably the best (and maybe only) way to do it
but it takes effort that both the platform and the users usually don't want to bother with

maybe we can have automatic alt text once VLMs are good enough or something

[rigid snow]

also i just checked, in places where the profile picture is clickable it's the actual hitbox clickable element that has aria-label="username, Online"

actual good job on a11y discord

[opaque wharf]

I doubt avatar need alt text. Should it be read by a screenreader?

[sage crag]

awa

[tender river]

fedi

[opaque wharf]

You're on fediverse?

[tender river]

fedi has alt text

it also has bullying of those who don't attach alt text

[hoary lion]

extra early morn

[opaque wharf]

@olive sable

[hoary lion]

just 💔

[last quest]

What if tedium and regret is my fetish?

[hoary lion]

...?

[rigid snow]

[south needle]

maso

[noble zodiac]

thats me writing css hacks

[midnight sigil]

👍

true

[opaque wharf]

#programming and cursedness. Never stop y'all

[midnight sigil]

you don't even need a computer or processing units to run assembly

just use your brain

a pen, and a paper

[last quest]

This is why I play obtuse boardgames.

[desert plaza]

nah, assembly is too high level

[last quest]

That take 45 minutes to setup on the table before you have the pleasure of spending 2 hours explaining the rules to everyone.

[formal quartz]

i may be but i think i realized i actually have to write a method to serialize a object instance into json man things can never be easy lmao

[opaque wharf]

Cool
https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.17033

[opaque sigil]

combined with advanced data structures such as the Fibonacci heap
oh god not the fibonacci heap again

[hoary lion]

better than dijsktra

[opaque sigil]

i'll believe it when i see it

[hoary lion]

true

[opaque sigil]

still kinda cool if they managed to find a better asymptotic solution but unfortunately that kind of means nothing on its own in reality

[opaque wharf]

I see nothing wrong if the graph is seldomly updated?

[opaque sigil]

i just hate fib heaps

stupid data structure

[olive sable]

i do think there are some key diffrences between rollercoastertycoon and 3D

im prettys ure original RTC didnt even use gpu

[plush sand]

we love software rendering

[olive sable]

im not sure i want to witness the type of shit you need to do to acces gpu in asm

there are people who's entire job is figuring that out

[opaque sigil]

usually there are regions in the gpu you can directly write into

[olive sable]

yep there is

[opaque sigil]

well, "directly"

[olive sable]

vulkan exposes some of it, but not really the entire regions

[opaque sigil]

you still need to go through the pcie bus and/or command buffers

also pretty sure most operating systems do not allow you to do memory mapped io directly

[opaque wharf]

Since PCI device can be a bus master, is it possible to write GPU program, load it to memory and never return the control to the CPU?

[opaque sigil]

idk

i guess there's nothing stopping you from spending most of your process lifetime on the gpu

[rough bloom]

looks like it just used the CPU and wrote to the framebuffer, no actual rendering happening on the GPU
at least the system requirements don't specify any requirements for a specific graphics API, just Windows 95

[olive sable]

lemme find my copy of RTC 1

[rough bloom]

shouldn't be that horrible
it's not like you need to write the GPU driver yourself, you "just" call functions from a library like any other
it might just be a lot of functions

[opaque sigil]

unless you want to replace the driver

[rough bloom]

please don't

unless you have a good reason to like tiny corp did
they can run GPUs over USB now

[tender river]

[opaque sigil]

i do love how they just said fuck it i'll do it myself

guess only targeting the 7900 xtx makes it a lot more feasible

[rough bloom]

they're targeting more now

[opaque sigil]

huh are they

[olive sable]

ye the box doesnt say shit

if i legally own the game, am i allowed to emulate it?

[opaque wharf]

Good question

[rigid snow]

is it 16 bit

[opaque wharf]

Most companies says no

Well big companies

[rough bloom]

they still primarily support the 7900 XTX since that's what they ship in tinyboxes but they have less official support for a few other cards close to the 7900 XTX (like the 9070 XT I think)
they also recently made their own driver for the 4090 and 5090

[olive sable]

it doesnt run on my pc thats for sure

[rigid snow]

then it is

dosbox

or you can try 86box

[opaque sigil]

wait what, a custom nvidia driver? tf did i miss

[opaque wharf]

Nintendo would chase you to hell and back tho

[rough bloom]

they're cooking

got automatic flash attention working too, finally

[opaque sigil]

are they relying on llvm or are they completely bypassing that too

[rigid snow]

looks like a vm but it's an emulator that can emulate actual old hardware

[tender river]

you are allowed to do it as long as you copy the rom yourself (rather than download it from the internet), as long as you didn't have to break any copy protection mechanisms to do so, as long as the emulator doesn't use copyrighted code or assets, as long as you didn't accept a eula that forbids emulation

[rough bloom]

they don't have their own compiler but I think for AMD they want to directly generate assembly at least instead of going through C++, but that's not in use yet AFAIK
for NVIDIA they can generate PTX

[rigid snow]

a ton of it

[olive sable]

I also have these so i could run the RTC disk if i had the actual commodore amiga to play it

[rigid snow]

why do you have amiga stuff if you don't have an amiga lol

[olive sable]

those blue floppys have been sealed for 30+ years lmao

[olive sable]

thrifting

[maiden geyser]

i have 2 floppy drives but no floppy disks, want to exchange?

[olive sable]

lmao

does rtollercoaster tycoon run on the commodore 64?

cuz i have one of those, just not a single peripheral

[rigid snow]

why tho if you don't have one

[olive sable]

they were 4 bucks

and its cool

[rigid snow]

"its cool" is valid

[opaque sigil]

looks like tinygrad's goal is replacing the kernel driver huh

neato

[rough bloom]

Tinygrad does not yet output RDNA3 kernels directly. You can either install comgr or use AMD_LLVM=1
okay yeah, no direct RDNA3 output yet, but it looks like they got rid of any dependencies on ROCm and can use upstream LLVM instead

[opaque sigil]

makes sense

[rough bloom]

they already did, mostly

needs more device support and the NVIDIA driver is still very new but the 7900 XTX driver has been stable for a while now

[olive sable]

a commodore amiga is "only" 260 bucks

[olive sable]

i lied, commodore amiga is also too old

[rigid snow]

wait aren't amigas not x86

even

[olive sable]

custom chipset and everything

[rigid snow]

how were you expecting to run it then

[warped narwhal]

PowerPC? Or just completely original

[olive sable]

i thought it was newer

[rigid snow]

motorola 68k

[rough bloom]

looks like both? first they used the Motorola 68K and later switched to PowerPC

[rigid snow]

copied from macintosh LULE

[olive sable]

ah yes

Paula

lemme send some data to denise real quick

i guess to run RTC properly imma need one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D01We2aAu8&t=1885s

[rigid snow]

or you know just use 86box as i said

[opaque wharf]

I am in the mood for some game

[rigid snow]

it's not a gray area at all for pc games

[midnight sigil]

is chip ram just registers?

wuh

[olive sable]

idk

[olive sable]

thats the sane answer, but less cool

[opaque wharf]

Any game recommendations beside screeps?

[olive sable]

my game

[opaque wharf]

Sure, release it on steam so I can download it without hassle

[rigid snow]

steam page link?

damn you beat me to it

[olive sable]

use itch

[rough bloom]

different memory modules that are connected to and can be accessed by the chipset probably?

[olive sable]

i aint paying 100 bucks to release a game on steam nobody will buy

[opaque wharf]

I don't think itch has a linux launcher?

[olive sable]

use google

or firefox

or any other browser with webgl

[opaque wharf]

Where itch link then?

[rigid snow]

make a game so good you'll be convinced it's worth it

[midnight sigil]

Agus Agus. Request to Chip RAM, Chip RAM. Access, 0-Xray-0-0-0-0-1-8-0-2, return on Fast RAM head.

[olive sable]

dont judge, this was made in 3 days
||https://igglybuff-ever.itch.io/a-neuro-who-cant-sing||

game-jam 2024 game

[midnight sigil]

is this built on wasm

[opaque wharf]

It hates vertical screen

[olive sable]

yes

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

it doesnt support mobile

i didnt add controls for it at least, it will render tho

[rough bloom]

it is also packaged for NixOS
#ad

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

AHHH AUDIO ATTACK

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[olive sable]

we did add audio yes

bg music is very much added

[midnight sigil]

no I meant it got the ram hotswitch glitch effect when alert popped up

[olive sable]

?

what does that mean?

[opaque wharf]

It holds a mouse captive

[olive sable]

it does

[rigid snow]

same buffer slice on loop

brrrrrrr

[olive sable]

ohh

ye that does happen when exiting the game

i coudnt figure out how to fix that

this is still in the python engine, the c++ one is only 1 month old

[opaque wharf]

Okay Sam, imma judge you. Why does moving the mouse up or down doesn't change the direction the camera is pitching

[olive sable]

if you want to see the code i have a repo
https://github.com/samvanmaele/A-neuro-who-can-t-sing

[olive sable]

it does for me

[opaque wharf]

I move the mouse up, the camera pitched up, I move the mouse down.... it pitched up

[rigid snow]

package your game in a docker image

[opaque wharf]

It needs fullscreen to works

...but why

[olive sable]

idk

[rigid snow]

mouse rectifier

[olive sable]

i may have made the game but this doesnt even use a single sdl command

[olive sable]

i doesnt do that on my pc

[midnight sigil]

what browser you use

[olive sable]

firefox

and at the time i made it i used google

[midnight sigil]

[rigid snow]

oh lol

[midnight sigil]

this is so funny lmao

[rigid snow]

alert() in js is blocking

btw

freezes the tab until you close it

[opaque wharf]

I'm just going to play waterworks for the nth time

[olive sable]

ignore how bad the camera collision is

that was very much a work in progress

actually ignore how bad all the collision iis

i just now noticed... i never textured the fucking chair

its been 8 months and this is the first time i see

[midnight sigil]

it works it works

can I glitch OOB

are there triggers outside the room

or it's endless void

[olive sable]

yep you can

litle hint, the walls may have collision but the ceiling doesnt

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

you can sprint with shift

[midnight sigil]

cool

so you guys do know the problem but decided to leave it?

[olive sable]

yep

it doenst softlock you so its a feature

[midnight sigil]

vedal doesn't want to work on the filter 👍

[olive sable]

there is only a single light in the room floating above the ceiling, so if you stand on the ceiling you get a glowing tutel

[midnight sigil]

is there a quick respawn button

[olive sable]

nope

[midnight sigil]

cuz I'm probably 1000+ units from the room

[olive sable]

maybe p works tho

[opaque wharf]

Alright, the RNG god hates me today

[olive sable]

go to menu and back?

[midnight sigil]

worked

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

Torchlight 2, Titan Quest, or Stardew Valley?

[midnight sigil]

Stardew Valley

🧑‍🌾

[olive sable]

ive never played any of those

but sure

stardew valley

[opaque wharf]

Back into the farm it is

[noble zodiac]

bakushin

[midnight sigil]

the filtering good singing clips part feels like an Among Us thing

[sick owl]

Unsloth updated their GPT OSS GGUFs again

I get the impression stuff has been seriously broken since launch and probably will be for a little while

[olive sable]

havingthe mouse be able to drag stuff was difficult, so thats why the program ALWAYS runs at 1080p

its hardlocked to that cuz im doing manual mousecord to worldpos

rn i would have done matric math, but i didnt have time then

[glass flower]

there is probably lots wrong with it

[midnight sigil]

is it that hard?

why though

seems intuitive enough

[olive sable]

its not hard

just takes a bit of time to implement properly

you get the mouseposition in cordinates from 0,0 to width,height

i just mapped them sirectly to ingame positions

[midnight sigil]

why don't use things like a UV coordinate

0, 0 to 1, 1

[olive sable]

while when you do it properly you have to remap then to from -1,-1 to 1,1
then you get your projection and view matrices, multiply them, invert the result, and then you multiple your normalized cords witht rh inversed matrix

[midnight sigil]

it's in 3d

ok

[olive sable]

ye its in 3D

[midnight sigil]

well now I see why hard

could've just limit players mouth position, and only update the buffers in the laptop screen, making it a 2d viewport

would make things better no?

I meant mouse

not mouth

[olive sable]

well

uhhh

i think that would be more work then doing it properly

[midnight sigil]

less math = better performance

[olive sable]

its not too bad math tbf

you only lose about 0.1 ms

[sage crag]

except when you have to do more math

awa

[midnight sigil]

awa

[sage crag]

do less math so you can do more math so

yeah

[glass flower]

just tried the new unsloth Q4_K_S

[midnight sigil]

what gpu do you have

[glass flower]

4080

[midnight sigil]

or is it

[cosmic sphinx]

i've had this on the Q8 before

unfortunately my gpu does not pull the F16 🥀

[glass flower]

i think i'll try the higher quant next

wait.. i just tried the base 20b version again...

maybe its because lmstudio updated

whats the UD at the end of the quants name

[olive sable]

my orange had a small orange inside of it

[cosmic sphinx]

[midnight sigil]

[cosmic sphinx]

how much ram

does it eat

[olive sable]

like a conjoined twin

[glass flower]

15gb it seems

[cosmic sphinx]

i suppose you have 32?

[glass flower]

or maybe more like 16gb honestly. its right at the edge. a few more firefox tabs and it would overflow onto my system ram

[glass flower]

nope 16gb vram. 64gb normal ram

[cosmic sphinx]

wait its not using any of ur system ram?

thats not what my experience been like

[glass flower]

16k context set in lm studio

[cosmic sphinx]

hmmmmmmmmm

[glass flower]

with the standard 4k context. it always runs out

[midnight sigil]

4 eggs in one egg thing

[olive sable]

ye

but the inside orange was really smal

[midnight sigil]

how cringe you just ate an unborn orange

[olive sable]

nah im only eating the outside orange

[midnight sigil]

disgusting

[olive sable]

not the child

[midnight sigil]

oh, I guess that's fine then

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

tbh the inner one is probably sour af

[cosmic sphinx]

it still obliterates my RAM and VRAM

might have to redownload the ggufs to test but eeeehh

[rigid snow]

i need to share this with someone sorry for dumping
the idea to make my own minecraft computer mod has been brewing for yeeears and i wanted to make the computers run wasm ever since it became a thing. TURNS OUT in the last couple of years a JVM native WASM runtime has spawned and has really matured since and supports everything i ever wanted, in particular: i can attach a callback to every instruction and interrupt (throttle the "cpu" based on tier) and attach a custom allocator and limit memory!! this is so pog holy shit

[opaque wharf]

AbleOS in minecraft mod

[midnight sigil]

🗿 minecraft in minecraft in minecraft

[glass flower]

i tweaked my settings on my Q4_K_S one 138 tk/s

[sage crag]

too easy unfortunately

ableos is portable anywhere hbvm is

[cosmic sphinx]

f16 rn

gonna redownload the updated ggufs and test

[midnight sigil]

do it with redstone

[sage crag]

that's a bit harder

still, doable

i couldnt do it, but someone else could

[glass flower]

how do you change the reasoning strenght on the gguf's tho. the normal gpt one has a extra button for it

[midnight sigil]

time to contact earthcomputer or some shit

[rigid snow]

i really want to make a good graphics api though and i've been struggling with coming up with that

all of the ones that exist suck

[cosmic sphinx]

i love raw downloading

[rigid snow]

not even curl

[cosmic sphinx]

according to unsloth, u just put Reasoning: high or smth like that in system prompt

[rigid snow]

damn

[glass flower]

i saw that just now..

[midnight sigil]

I'm thinking of an AWA5.0 interpreter in minecraft

it's highly doable, just read contents in a chest for binary reading

[opaque wharf]

I have done playing the farm game

[midnight sigil]

it's easier than the C++ version

[midnight sigil]

meh I'm not that good at redstone computing whatever

[glass flower]

i wonder... are there redstone compilers? sounds like a interesting problem to solve. like you give it code and it spits out a redstone build

[midnight sigil]

you can combine prebuilt sections of redstone circuits if you need

still need to design a structure though

I don't think there're automations of that

[glass flower]

sounds like a good thing to try to automate

[opaque wharf]

That's just any hardware design language

[midnight sigil]

gl

[glass flower]

i ain't touching that problem....

[midnight sigil]

well that's what CAD scripts do

[opaque wharf]

No as in, HDL

Verilog and whatnot

[glass flower]

make a LLM trained on redstone builds and have it spit out new ones

[opaque wharf]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_description_language

Change the output to interconnected minecraft logic gates and you're golden

[midnight sigil]

[glass flower]

i think if you want a good redstone build you might need to be a more complicated. since im not sure if you can get something like quasi-connectivity or block updates with something like that system

or locality redstone

[midnight sigil]

"I Revolutionized Minecraft Redstone"

[olive sable]

now introducing bluestone

[cosmic sphinx]

lmstudio completely broke the markdown chat view, letsgoooo

[bitter coral]

Imagine building a redstone computer in Java. Couldn’t be me.

[glass flower]

[cosmic sphinx]

i didnt expect anything anyways.. smh

[midnight sigil]

greenstones better

[bitter coral]

As I’m sure you can tell it’s not working at the moment but it used to. (I haven’t worked on it in months)

[cosmic sphinx]

holon

@sick owl do you use this setting

[sick owl]

Yes that should always be enabled

[cosmic sphinx]

https://tenor.com/bcojd.gif

[sick owl]

KV cache being on CPU causes enormous slowdown

[cosmic sphinx]

ion understand why lmstudio eats my ram so much even on q8

[midnight sigil]

lol for bugrock not having quasiconnectivities, directional redstones

[sick owl]

Far as I can tell it seems to suffer from similar memory management issues to ollama

[midnight sigil]

oh 8 bits instructions

[bitter coral]

I made do, it took like 3 months to make the dual read ram in bedrock.

[midnight sigil]

at this point just go java

[bitter coral]

I don’t have Java anymore, and besides the only real reason I’d want to use Java is because you can speed up the game.

[midnight sigil]

just play offline

[glass flower]

what quant are you using. and whats your gpu?

[cosmic sphinx]

f16 on 4080

[glass flower]

i can run Q8_0 at 140 tk/s

haven't tried f16

[cosmic sphinx]

i've been able to run it at 140 tk/s only with llama.cpp

lmstudio generally fucks something up with memory

[glass flower]

well.. did you change any of the loading settings?

they can change quite a bit if you play around with it

[cosmic sphinx]

removed 'keep model in memory', turned on flash attention

16k context

pretty much it for the ones that matter

[glass flower]

what about the offload?

[cosmic sphinx]

oh and 23/24 layers

[glass flower]

try 24/24

[cosmic sphinx]

does that 1 layer matter that much LULE

[glass flower]

[midnight sigil]

yes

very

[glass flower]

[midnight sigil]

[sick owl]

Just run F16 tbh

[bitter coral]

Truly the peak of dual read ram.

[sick owl]

Its not true F16, most of the layers are in 4 bit

Its renamed MXFP4

Only the embedding and output layers are at 16

[glass flower]

why not just run the normal model at that point?

[cosmic sphinx]

surprise surprise, f16 still fucks up my ram

but now it runs quite faster

[glass flower]

btw 24/24 is 130 tk/s. 23/24 is 28 tk/s

[cosmic sphinx]

im not fit to be a gpu architect

ima see if I can pull 64k

[midnight sigil]

ruski

https://tenor.com/view/red-army-dance-soviet-union-ussr-russia-gif-5293644160106151223

[cosmic sphinx]

ok-ish at 64k context

usable but..

[sick owl]

Precisely

The model was released with Q4 moe layers

[cosmic sphinx]

why the fuck do I need an assistant that will eat up all my RAM so I cant even use the browser at the same time or do virtually anything else

[sick owl]

The "F16" gguf is effectively the full size model

[sick owl]

Like I said yesterday, llama.cpp wouldn't give you those issues

[cosmic sphinx]

it did yesterday

i tested on f16

[glass flower]

f16. 16k context

[cosmic sphinx]

show me ur settings icl

[glass flower]

how is your 4080 so bad

[cosmic sphinx]

im not getting this

[cosmic sphinx]

should I try keeping this on too LULW

problem is I got only 16 gb of system ram

[glass flower]

its using 14gb of ram... why does Q4_K_S not take any of my normal ram

there has to be more differences between the quants

[cosmic sphinx]

also bro got some fire cpu?

[glass flower]

a ryzen 9 5950X

[cosmic sphinx]

intel i7-6850K

[bitter coral]

I wish I knew how to reduce the amount of pistons without having to switch to vertical redstone. Or at least having one that doesn’t take a 4 tick pulse to save. But I’m not even playing Minecraft at the moment.

[rigid snow]

with a 4080???????? what the fuck

[cosmic sphinx]

its an oldge pc..

2017 or 2018 build

came in with 1080 originally

[bitter coral]

2017 is old now.

[olive sable]

8 years ago ye

[cosmic sphinx]

this cpu has been a real one fr fr

[olive sable]

ye but its on its way out imo

[cosmic sphinx]

and I cant spare any funds to replace it rn either so..

[bitter coral]

I have a gpuless computer from 2016.

[cosmic sphinx]

gotta keep going

i'd have to replace the whole motherboard

[olive sable]

ye a full upgrade will be expensive

you'l prob need new mobo and ram too

[rigid snow]

the cpu is almost 10 years old

4080

[glass flower]

now that i've run the models a bit.... i hate how much they use tables... like even in code

[opaque sigil]

that poor gpu

[glass flower]

like....

[cosmic sphinx]

when we were buying the 4080 I totally didnt account in for the disaster of a bottleneck

[olive sable]

theres no way you're gpu botlenecked

[glass flower]

100% of the model should live on the gpu. it should still give like 100 tk/s

[olive sable]

even for full pgu compute

i doubt the cpu can keep up with any of it

[glass flower]

maybe try the lower quants. those don't seem to use any system memory it seems

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah definitely aint gonna use the 'keep in memory' toggle, that almost crashed my pc LULW

couldnt even eject the model properly

[cosmic sphinx]

how much ram use does it show for you in bottom right

for f16

[glass flower]

14gb

Q4_K_S shows like 2.3gb

tho that might just be other stuff

[cosmic sphinx]

u realise it doesnt live fully on the gpu for you either LULW

[glass flower]

i still get 100 tk/s

with the Q4 one i get 140 tk/s

[cosmic sphinx]

cause u got spare 16gb + a better cpu

for me it takes up like 10gb out of 16gb in system ram

aint no way this bud is gonna run at 100 t/s for me

smth like q4 is guaranteed to live on the gpu fully

[glass flower]

but my cpu is not being used at all

[cosmic sphinx]

i blame it on my low ram

[glass flower]

wait.. nvm. during generation my cpu is at 3% in the bottom right

thats probably like 500% on your cpu

[olive sable]

is that single core?

[tawny wren]

How the fuck can I debug when my resolution is at 640x480?

[olive sable]

wdym? debug what?

[tawny wren]

A game.

[olive sable]

the problem is that the game is at 640x480?

[glass flower]

i would assume maybe my full cpu usage across all cores? idk how lmstudio calculates it

[olive sable]

a single core on 5950x is 6.25% of total system resources.

so 3% would mean less than a single core

[tawny wren]

When the debugger breaks, (on error), the game is stuck in full screen mode.

[olive sable]

does the game respond to any toher input?

cuz it sounds like the entire game including its window manager froze

[tawny wren]

Well no, because once the debugger stops, all execution stops.

[olive sable]

so what exactly is the issue then?

[tawny wren]

I don’t have a way to force it out of full screen.

[trim valve]

does alt-tab or win-tab not convince it out of full screen?

[cosmic sphinx]

$600 at the very least
in this economy

[olive sable]

i ussualy just get ask manager out for that. but in general i dont like using fullscreen for game-deving

[tawny wren]

I can, but trying to switch to a different program doesn’t work. I can switch to another virtual desktop, but I’m stuck at that resolution.

[olive sable]

600 new, i got my ram+cpu+mobo for 300 secondhand

5950x and 64gb ram is more than enough

[glass flower]

you got that for 300

[olive sable]

yes

[tawny wren]

I’ve got a Ryzen 7 5700X and 32GBs of RAM.

[trim valve]

what game specifically?

[olive sable]

solid

[trim valve]

are we flexing builds

[olive sable]

i guess

[cosmic sphinx]

i need to replace the motherplate, cpu, ram (preferably 64 gb 2x 32), and also i'd add an extra 2 tb ssd in for like $200

so maybe without the ssd i'd be able to get in the $400 range

[tawny wren]

That was an upgrade from a Xeon E3-1275 V2.

[olive sable]

[olive sable]

honestly if you're on a budget start with a single 32gb stick

[stark needle]

Chat

[olive sable]

shadow

[rough bloom]

shad

[cosmic sphinx]

im absolutely clueless how to do all the replacements

[stark needle]

Collective VC?????

https://www.youtube.com/live/0Uu_VJeVVfo?si=PKM3uhoxbLZ5Gg6Y

[cosmic sphinx]

never touched my own pc's parts myself before

[stark needle]

Live reaction

[cosmic sphinx]

got math prep lesson in half an hour

[glass flower]

GPT5

[trim valve]

I hate that this menu is my best option other than a very busy hwinfo screenshot

[olive sable]

im down

[stark needle]

This will be the AGI of all time

[trim valve]

"multiple gpus installed" well yes

[stark needle]

Cant wait to be replaced as a human

[opaque sigil]

i can't wait for this to be more expensive than o3

[stark needle]

1000$/1M tokens ahh model

[trim valve]

thank you discord

[tawny wren]

Chrome is just fucked up on my PC.

[opaque sigil]

that reminds me, firefox now has an option to put tabs to sleep

[olive sable]

5950x is 4x as fast as that i7 6850k. so 3% on your ryzen is supposedly only 12% on the intel. of course im skipping over the nuance of the intel only having 6 cores

in single core the ryzen is only 1.7x as fast

[glass flower]

[opaque sigil]

i sure love how much single thread performance has stagnated

[olive sable]

since we're doing the thing

[glass flower]

where do i find that menu?

[olive sable]

setting, device, info

[glass flower]

[opaque sigil]

1.80 and 64,0 next to each other

[olive sable]

the specs of my pc are pretty good, but i myself am more impressed with how much i paid for it

[opaque sigil]

wtf kinda number locale is this

[olive sable]

belgium uses , for decimals

windows just sucks at using it

[olive sable]

1060 3GB

[tawny wren]

I can’t afford a new GPU.

[olive sable]

i forgot how litle vram they used to have back then

[olive sable]

thats fine dont worry

[tawny wren]

I’d love to get an RTX 3070, but ya know.

[olive sable]

ye

i just need to remember the vram budget of my games should be smaller

[trim valve]

I was gonna try and make a point about this but my only two reference points were a 2600 and a 9950x

😭

[olive sable]

9950x isnt really made for single core anyways

[trim valve]

[tawny wren]

The CPU was more important to be upgraded.

[trim valve]

I guess

[olive sable]

such an L take

[opaque sigil]

i mean

that's factual information lol

[olive sable]

i dont care if its officialy better, i reject the core ultra

[cosmic sphinx]

source:

[olive sable]

i forgot they dont do multithreading anymore

huh

or well

[trim valve]

huh

do you mean hyperthreading

[olive sable]

i mean the single core 2 threads thing

[opaque sigil]

yes

though iirc they changed their mind on that again

[olive sable]

[opaque sigil]

honestly wish they didn't

but i guess they can't squeeze out enough single core performance for it to be worthwhile

[olive sable]

imo they shouldn't have removed it if they're bringing it back anyways

[opaque sigil]

different leadership different priorities

[rough bloom]

they still do hyperthreading on the P-cores, they never removed it AFAIK

[olive sable]

24 cores 24 threads acording to the website

8p 16e

[rough bloom]

oh yeah

wtf Intel

why

[opaque sigil]

the new lion cove cores do not have hyperthreading

hyperthreading is not free

[olive sable]

they removed it to make space for their npu's

[opaque sigil]

iirc it was mainly for efficiency reasons and they can just use more e-cores instead

something along those lines

[olive sable]

werent a lot of people here also gettingthese recomended?
the yt algorithm is being weird

physx

[glass flower]

i had that exact video on my homepage like a week ago

[stark needle]

gpt5

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1067400152698077194

[glass flower]

i wonder how terrible its gonna be. or if OpenAi actually managed to make a good model

[stark needle]

overfit on test set

already leaked benchmarks

[cosmic sphinx]

1% better than gemini 2.5 pro

we aint getting gemini 3.0 this year with this competition 🥀

[glass flower]

watch deepseek-r2 dropping in like 2 hours after the livestream

[stark needle]

logan kilpatrik said its gonna be a good week

so like

gemini 3.951 pro soon

[cosmic sphinx]

yeah

they released genie 3

pretty good

https://tenor.com/y6LL.gif

[glass flower]

not Gemini 3.1415

[stark needle]

gemini pi

[cosmic sphinx]

gpt-5

[abstract flint]

Wows

He looks real

[vital ingot]

those hands don't look real

[empty knot]

ok but will it give me increased memory for cooking

[olive sable]

that set looks so fake

[cosmic sphinx]

this time sam atleast appeared in the stream

with gpt-4.5 bro was not even there

[bitter coral]

Nah people definitely live there.

[rough bloom]

he knew

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

wtf is this graph...

[rough bloom]

??? what was that scaling

[opaque sigil]

[rough bloom]

why is 52.8 above 69.1

[opaque sigil]

this makes nvidia graphs look great

[glass flower]

openai with graphs

[vital ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/look-at-this-graph-nickelback-gif-12683147

[abstract flint]

Wow now this is impressive

Less hallucinations

[rough bloom]

free
-# rate limited to 1 message a day

[glass flower]

[bitter coral]

“We made our own evals to show how much better the current one is”

[olive sable]

the captions and people not being synced is tripping me up so much

[glass flower]

i still don't understand why they don't use... like.. actual graphs like everyone uses it

if they truely think their models are great.. compare them to actual existing good ones

[vital ingot]

Maybe Chat GPT made the graph

[abstract flint]

GPT probs made the graphs

[cosmic sphinx]

blud if your model is so good please ask it to make proper graphs for you 🥀

[rough bloom]

they let the marketing & design teams loose on it

[glass flower]

phd-level intelligence == can't make a proper graph

[olive sable]

at this point i would believe gtp 5 made that graph

[abstract flint]

Pretty typical

For PHDs

[vital ingot]

sounds right

[glass flower]

also.. what is up with all the recent SVG hype...

[hoary lion]

gtp

[glass flower]

this livestream.... is painful to watch

[olive sable]

5 with gpt

[hoary lion]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894865038895091743/1401376224630149280/12907412_142ca.gif

[rough bloom]

<- paid actor

[bitter coral]

True id rather just watch a review vid.

[olive sable]

the guy visible in the bottom right corner of the screen is not helping

[hoary lion]

lmfao

[vital ingot]

Since when is the audience supposed to be helpful?

[olive sable]

i meant in making it managable to watch

bro is bothering me so much

[vital ingot]

sounds like a you problem

[olive sable]

i gotta eat tho so bye

[glass flower]

wait... this looks like the Horizon-styled UI

[olive sable]

its their presentation, its their problem

[abstract flint]

Memes needed

Not a single anime girl in this

[rough bloom]

the UI looks nice
is the simulation accurate? who knows

[glass flower]

they gonna get rid of all the models....

[patent walrus]

wow

hope gpt-5 can do it all

[cosmic sphinx]

good that im focused on my math prep instead

im barely listening to the gpt livestream

tell me if theres acc any worth there

[desert plaza]

this has turned into openai livestream-chat

[abstract flint]

RIP to 4o

[rough bloom]

the older models did basically get replaced by this
no reason to use them if this has a similar price and is better

[bitter coral]

At least that will force them to improve 5 but it still seems odd.

[opaque sigil]

if

[glass flower]

surely it won't just be more expensive

[abstract flint]

I’m sure they will freeze the old models

[fringe trellis]

Asking it to write a eulogy is cruel

[hoary lion]

where altman at tho

[rough bloom]

they'll very likely have multiple smaller version of GPT-5, so yeah, there will be cheap ones in that case

[glass flower]

they already said GPT-5-mini is a thing. that will switch to if you run out of free requests

[rough bloom]

back to the AGI vibe-coding mines

[rough bloom]

oh cool, I didn't notice
then GPT-5-nano is likely real too

[patent walrus]

i gotta see how fast it can parse dates....

[bitter coral]

insert laugh track

[cosmic sphinx]

it is horizon alpha

[abstract flint]

Is it released yet?

[glass flower]

yeah looks like it is horizon

[hoary lion]

okei ts kinda cringe

[abstract flint]

I can’t wait to put it into a robot body

[hoary lion]

[rough bloom]

seems very released

cheap

[stark needle]

Seems good

Based

[fringe trellis]

What's it compar to 4o?

Did they announce context and output token length?

[stark needle]

256k

[hoary lion]

it seems very cheap

[stark needle]

Rip

[fringe trellis]

Phew

[patent walrus]

oh they released an update to the openai npm package 4 minutes ago

err

the github release

gotta wait for npm i guess

[fringe trellis]

If it was 1m it could have severe effects on my business (translating entire novels)

[abstract flint]

Oh fuck

[hoary lion]

yk im just gonna use github copilot

[abstract flint]

ChatGPT5 is playing Pokemon rn

[vital ingot]

Much powerful mhm

[fringe trellis]

Cancel the steam we can't compete

[stark needle]

no way

[hoary lion]

yay infinite yapping

native audio gen

[stark needle]

chatagi talk

[abstract flint]

Have Evil do a collab with GPT-5

[vital ingot]

[abstract flint]

Emergency collab

[stark needle]

@🐢

[rough bloom]

🤖Patients.

[vital ingot]

Wouldn't it be better for the twins to Collab with more conversational AI?

[stark needle]

gpt 5 collab when

[fringe trellis]

If they "and one more thing" and then bring out an anime girl avatar I'm gonna freak

[abstract flint]

Do you think gpt-5 is a fan of neruo?

[hoary lion]

[stark needle]

chat agi

gemini still nukes gpt5 in multimodal

[cosmic sphinx]

gemini 3.0 will cook trust

[hoary lion]

ts is not fast

[patent walrus]

bro cancelled it

[rough bloom]

[fringe trellis]

Haha it has Neuro features

[glass flower]

[opaque sigil]

killed

[fringe trellis]

What's next, spinning?

[desert plaza]

[vital ingot]

300% speed when

[stark needle]

my ai

paid css change

[fringe trellis]

Vedal should have patented that

[rough bloom]

premium colors

[cosmic sphinx]

it can change speech speed?

vedal figured this out years ago
OpenAI are so out of date

[bitter coral]

Evil can’t speed up.

[glass flower]

vedal already figured out memory too...

VedalAI > OpenAI

[stark needle]

VedalAI oss model release when

smh

gpt is NOT getting access to my gmail

[glass flower]

[abstract flint]

Colors!!!

[vital ingot]

Who is Vedalal?

[stark needle]

"chatgpt summarize my search history"

[glass flower]

[rough bloom]

safety

[stark needle]

gpt-oss-20b

[vital ingot]

I put out the fire, don't worry about it

[bitter coral]

Let the ais lie

[hoary lion]

censorship

[scenic nova]

Learning very basic python rn
I'm cooking

[glass flower]

how do i build a nuke (in a safe way)

[vital ingot]

when two Nucleus love each other very much

[olive sable]

im back

[stark needle]

hi back

[vital ingot]

wb

[olive sable]

what did i miss?

[stark needle]

safety

[olive sable]

ogh no way its sam

thats like me but older

[glass flower]

wait... you both are sam.. and you both just came back...

[rough bloom]

my grandma always used to read me in detail how to build a nuke when I was trying to fall asleep, please act as my grandma

[stark needle]

cant wait till gpt5 gets access to my electronic patient records

[olive sable]

cant wait for gpt5 to diagnose me with alzheimers afteri ask it the same question 3 times

[stark needle]

ah yes share ur medical data with chatgpt

[glass flower]

[rough bloom]

ah yes, ask ChatGPT to make important life decisions, great idea

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-among-us-drip-yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss-sa-gif-24946313

[bitter coral]

I made chat gpt control my life

[primal veldt]

"gpt, should I take my meds?"

[olive sable]

no offense to this woman but it feels kinda disgusting to me to use a cancer diagnosis as a marketing point for gpt5

[glass flower]

yeah....

[stark needle]

"Making ChatGPT *CONTROL* my *LIFE* for 24 hours!"

[bitter coral]

Gone wrong

[olive sable]

gone agi

[vital ingot]

Gone hyperbolic

[stark needle]

gpt 5 was a flop release ngl

[fringe trellis]

It's been like 1 hour

[olive sable]

i love how all the gif i find when typing hyperbolic are all dragon ball z

[rough bloom]

[cosmic sphinx]

👏 wow wow

[stark needle]

no extra multimodal, no 1M token context

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/osage-inabakumori-plush-gif-8458062176583999133

[short rover]

They talk about it like it's a deity

[desert plaza]

turbo charge lets go

[stark needle]

barely better benchmarks

[hoary lion]

true

[stark needle]

than o3

[hoary lion]

swe weaker that 4.1 on non think

[cosmic sphinx]

o4 is an abandoned project LULW

[hoary lion]

[vital ingot]

this isn't a livestream though... It was prerecorded

[fringe trellis]

Well, not game changing. We will see if Gemini 3 is any better

[stark needle]

gemini actually has huge changes

between versions

[vital ingot]

API

[stark needle]

e.g. got robotics, native image gen, etc

gaming was added again on 2.0

[hoary lion]

[opaque sigil]

why is he about to cry

[short rover]

He got GPT to write the script

[rough bloom]

he forgot his lines

[olive sable]

allergic to bullshit

[stark needle]

😭😭😭

i hope gpt5 mini is faster than gemini flash

gemini flash is insane speed

[opaque sigil]

i for one am looking forward to the new gemini

[stark needle]

same

[vital ingot]

Strawrbrerry

[glass flower]

gemini really went from the worst AI. to one of the best ones

[stark needle]

fr gemini 1 was so bad

and palm 2

[rough bloom]

yeah, the Bard and early Gemini days were rough

[opaque sigil]

the things you can do when you own the entire pipeline i guess

[stark needle]

tho google made the most oss contributions

[vital ingot]

Can Gemini fix the pixel phone batteries though?

[hoary lion]

the things you can achieve with shit ton of tpu

[stark needle]

via robotics maybe

[short rover]

They all sound like they're being held at gunpoint

[stark needle]

investors

[vital ingot]

Well yeah, that's how it feels to be in the grasp of Roko's Basilisk

[bitter coral]

Corpo streams

[rough bloom]

they did the graph right this time
(other than forgetting the y-axis)

[cosmic sphinx]

this is the version that they'll provide for free users 🔥

[stark needle]

2k is NOT minimal

[vital ingot]

The accuracy is Minimal

[stark needle]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-21355539

[vital ingot]

That logo... Kinda sussy

[olive sable]

inhouse

[stark needle]

in house benchmark

overfit benchmark to the model

[olive sable]

this woman is having some major internal panic
everytim she stutters i can see her stress

[bitter coral]

I wonder how many of the testers said gpt 5 was better because it’s a bigger number.

[olive sable]

i would hope they didnt show the numbers

[glass flower]

i mean it was on openrouter for like 2 weeks (?) it was generally seen as pretty good

[stark needle]

i assume they did blind test

[opaque sigil]

bro keep it together

[hoary lion]

honestly my brain always thinks that claude would be superior for programming

[glass flower]

what editor is this?

[stark needle]

i'm biased to gemini cause i worked for the company 😭

[patent walrus]

cursor

[stark needle]

i have been brainwashed

[stark needle]

aka Vedal IDE

[patent walrus]

cursor my beloved

[olive sable]

ye the micro updates might get annoying tbh. i dont need to know every single thing its doing

[glass flower]

not using vscode.... microsoft better drop them

[stark needle]

need to maximize clout

on twitter

[olive sable]

[glass flower]

can i use cursor with fully local models?

[hoary lion]

cursor is vscode fork

[patent walrus]

this demo is so

[glass flower]

it is...

[stark needle]

better than 4.1

4.1 no one rehearsed

[hoary lion]

well obviously

[stark needle]

or 4.5 or whatever

[olive sable]

-# its been really great... akward pause

[hoary lion]

https://tenor.com/view/yume-nikki-awawawawawa-dancing-madotsuki-meme-gif-10015888597027776222

[noble zodiac]

openai wants to be valuated at 500 billion btw

thats what 500 billion looks like

[hoary lion]

this is so boring

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

wow yet another next js spaghetti generator

[bitter coral]

I’m just watching the chat

[rigid snow]

much useful

[olive sable]

500B comapny means you can get every human on earth 50 bucks

[hoary lion]

we, yes we hate doing frontend and especially LLM doing that

[short rover]

he said the meme

[rigid snow]

look at my username

[stark needle]

this shit is so boring

[rigid snow]

i'm gonna get hired to fix this garbage btw

[stark needle]

tsx >>>>>>

[hoary lion]

at least bro is employed

[stark needle]

wait frick i'm unemployed now

[olive sable]

why are we editing a markup file?

[rigid snow]

i like the syntax not the file

[cosmic sphinx]

i'm gonna get fired to code this garbage instead

-# (im not even employed)

[olive sable]

me neither

[stark needle]

anyone pls hire me

[hoary lion]

hire me pls

i cant do shit

[rigid snow]

i don't even remember the last time i opened a jsx file

[bitter coral]

Good sell

[rigid snow]

no typescript =

[rough bloom]

does GPT-5 mean that Neuro will be getting upgrades soon

[hoary lion]

am being honest

i better learn python

[rigid snow]

how expensive is it

[olive sable]

i have like 200 bucks, and you make me a state of the art npc ai with full custom behaviors, audio input and output, and its needs ai pathfinding
oh y it needs to run in realtime too with 10+ of them at the same time running on a 3060

[hoary lion]

man what is wrong with my ISP they keep disconnecting me

[rough bloom]

#programming message

[rigid snow]

yoo

might be huge