Sooo hows vulkan going pretty brutal huh?
#programming
uneven pulsar
uneven pulsar
i cant get more fps anymore
Vulkan is just brutal to work alone
you need to know the lowest possible level of hardware programming
olive sable
in terms of shadercode its pretty low
in terms of cpu you still get some overhead
way less bad than opengl tho
olive sable
i dont have an rdna4 cpu tho
rough bloom
NVIDIA doesn't publish the necessary information I think 
even AMD docs for their GPUs aren't that great
hoary lion
very late morn
olive sable
morn
hoary lion
olive sable
gpu isnt even the issue, its again the graphics api
rn im rendering 1 polygon at 11K fps, i could render 1000 and still get 11K fps since the gpu isnt doing all that much
like an actual 40% usage rn
rough bloom
with AMD GPUs you can submit commands directly* to the command processor if you wanted to
no graphics API involved
-# *there's GPU scheduling and a weird queue system involved sadly
olive sable
huh
interesting
vulkan keeps spinning up a thread to do that
the actual gamer thread is only 50% usage
rough bloom
that's not inherent to Vulkan btw
it's whatever implementation of Vulkan you're using
rough bloom
the actual gamer thread is only 50% usage
gamer thread 
olive sable
i did the math
leon's 400k vertices only use 14.6 mb
textures are indeed more storage
rough bloom
pretty sure that that's not specific to pmap, it applies to static arguments in general
since they need to be part of the JIT cache key 
hoary lion
i thought I could just pass down raw dataclass
always freeze it
okay something is happening
i definitely should have added logger
chat i have no idea what is going on
afaik each phonemizer warning should mean a batch was consumed
opaque wharf
since they need to be part of the JIT cache key <a:niuh:1369714045103640679>
True to his name
rough bloom
rough bloom
awa
olive sable
awa
olive sable
hoary lion
11 ads on an embed 
but it looks cool
hoary lion
yeah even with yt premium embeds always have ad
seeing that title makes me remember good old method of png actually being a zip file
I don't feel comfortable
so many phonemizer warnings
amber fractal
Classic VSC
hoary lion
vsc dominating all studios
nocturne olive
yeah even with yt premium embeds always have ad
-# Unless you add an adblocked to Discord
nocturne olive
so many phonemizer warnings
What are you phonemizing?
Are you making a vocal synthesizer?
hoary lion
What are you phonemizing?
I think german special letters are being ehh in phonemizer or sum
nocturne olive
Silly
hoary lion
very silly indeed
opaque wharf
the mods are always watching
Good joke 
olive sable
you think im joking?
everytime i hit a new fps high-score vani pops in to say its too low 
like at this point i would need to make it in machine code
opaque wharf
so many people with nitro
Don't worry, I don't have it eitehr
opaque wharf
Hop onto the general VC if you want to read the current docs of #1337733692709146674 lol
olive sable
lemme turn of apo first
opaque wharf
APO?
olive sable
apo equalizer
opaque wharf
Oh, the sound nuker 1000
olive sable
it fucks up vc sound and the entire audio cuts out after it gets increasingly louder
olive sable
Oh, the sound nuker 1000
just some bass improvements
olive sable
it fucks up vc sound and the entire audio cuts out after it gets increasingly lo...
im pretty sure it has something to do with how using a mic drops my bt headphones sound quality
opaque wharf
im pretty sure it has something to do with how using a mic drops my bt headphone...
That sounds cursed ngl lol
olive sable
its just cuz of limited datastream or something
idk
i ussualy switch to using my oculus rift mic when actually doing vc
but then i have to puit it next to me on my desk so my keypresses are loud
olive sable
i will not
desert plaza
y 
olive sable
im trying to make games here, not mental fatigue
warped narwhal
I have successfully made a minecraft to discord bridge, you would not like to see the code, it is so bad that I'm embarrased that I wrote it, but goddamit it works.
olive sable
olive sable
wdym but why?
this is beautiful
when you're not int he server you can still see the chat
warped narwhal
https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396
I'm part of a discord that is a small group of friends that run a couple of mc servers with different mod sets, having to move back and between discord and the other servers can be a pain, so making a bot that can connect the discord and both servers is a godsend
opaque wharf
Yeah, that is understandable use case
olive sable
so small performance improvement, but at this point im just cheating
fps is no longer displayed int he window title, im just printing it
this does add an aditional 500fps
uneven pulsar
Hmmmmm so my phone meets the minimum specs of firewatch
This will probably go horribly :3
opaque wharf
I am back here to #programming and there are already 2 cursed stuff happening
uneven pulsar
What cursed stuff is happening?
olive sable
firewatch on phone
uneven pulsar
That's not cursed
uneven pulsar
Its science
olive sable
cursed science
olive sable
do they have a firewatch release that is compiled for arm?
uneven pulsar
Nope
olive sable
then its cursed
uneven pulsar
I disagree
uneven pulsar
Actually 2 translation layers
warped narwhal
uneven pulsar
One for X86 and the other for the windows crap
Also
Isn't USB C supposed to be fast? This is taking years to transfer
olive sable
depends on your phone and the port
usb-c can do 40gb/s
your phone probably doesn't
opaque wharf
desert plaza
opaque wharf
USB-C is just a connector btw
uneven pulsar
what controls
That's not my issue
opaque wharf
Backward compatible down to USB 2,0 protocol
desert plaza
That's not my issue
wdym
opaque wharf
So it could be anywhere from 10Mbps to 60Gbps
olive sable
the new iphones only do usb2.0 over usb-c i think
opaque wharf
the new iphones only do usb2.0 over usb-c i think
I sure hope the person isn't doing firewatch on iPhone 
desert plaza
Why would it be my issue?
how do you intend on controlling the game
with a keyboard?
uneven pulsar
Wait crap
desert plaza
on a phone?
uneven pulsar
That is my issue
desert plaza
uneven pulsar
Eh
olive sable
phone's support keyboards
uneven pulsar
I'll figure it out later
opaque wharf
USB OTG or bluetooth keyboard does the job just fine
uneven pulsar
Ohhhh I got an OTG connector and a ps3 controller
opaque wharf
Can also use scrcpy, and at that point I just gonna ask, why
olive sable
just do usb-c to whatever your keyboard uses
should work
im pretty sure android supports it
at the very least both smasnug and lenovo do cuz ive used it
opaque wharf
just do usb-c to whatever your keyboard uses
It needs to have a certain pin configured for OTG (to make the phone act as USB controller not as device)
desert plaza
use guitar as input device for optimal gaming
olive sable
It needs to have a certain pin configured for OTG (to make the phone act as USB ...
no you dont
opaque wharf
use guitar as input device for optimal gaming
desert plaza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wesICmc48UE
bro i was just about to link that 
opaque wharf
I love that you can see he is getting insane with each day passing lol
olive sable
no you dont
i just used a simple usb-c to usb-c cable and my k70 rgb pro keyboard worked both ways
opaque wharf
i just used a simple usb-c to usb-c cable and my k70 rgb pro keyboard worked bot...
A good C to C cable usually have some built-in chip. A very small one that could indeed take care of the necessary setup
uneven pulsar
The file has sent!!!
olive sable
unless they skimped out and didnt connect all the wires
opaque wharf
ye but that should be a property of the connector
Not just the connector
olive sable
which would be stupid since they're saving 0.001 cents
opaque wharf
olive sable
opaque wharf
That is a connector for USB cable, it should have that small IC which is what a good cable should do
But not all cable adhere to it
Its purpose is for identification and setup
Most notably, it tells the connector what is the cable capable of. If they can support PD for example, or display port, and yes, including OTG
olive sable
its literaly jsut one of these but 1m instead of 1.8
which you can apparently buy $5 / 2weeks
olive sable
its jsut the standart smasnug one
olive sable
$20 is crazy btw
ye idk, i dont buy from their website. its 9 bucks irl
opaque wharf
You'll get it when you try to develop some hardware and looking at all the USB spec
opaque sigil
you'll just need a single cable they said, it'll solve all the issues they said 
olive sable
they jsut need to make the spec less dogshit
olive sable
they used to have hard minimums but now they're letting anything pass
cables without data-delivery is criminal
opaque wharf
cables without data-delivery is criminal
And not all data delivery is the same mind you
Some connector only have 4 wire/conductor
olive sable
yes but it still should be in there
opaque wharf
So only support 2.0
opaque sigil
don't you love apple going out of their way to make a 2.0 usb-c cable and port
because frick you
uneven pulsar
OK so if wants me to install directX 11
olive sable
those sons of bitches had usb-c for nearly 10 years on their laptops and now they're being bitchy about putting it on their phones
opaque wharf
And those 4 conductor may or may not contain the necessary identification chip. So OTG may or may not work
opaque wharf
OK so if wants me to install directX 11
That's where proton comes in
Since you're emulating x86 anyway
stuck patio
just cause im interested does anyone script ahk
opaque wharf
ARM <- x86 <- Proton <- Games
olive sable
the only usb-c cables i use are from phones, tablets, playstation controllers,a nd the switch pro controller. i can trust those to have the needed data and power
and since im carefull with my stuff they last me decades
uneven pulsar
That's where proton comes in
Or I just install it from Microsoft?
uneven pulsar
Crap
uneven pulsar
Wait, you're installing windows?
I'm emulating it with wine
opaque wharf
One for X86 and the other for the windows crap
You're seriously installing windows?
olive sable
OK so if wants me to install directX 11
do dx11 games need dx11 to run? they do iirc
uneven pulsar
Oh, then you use proton
This software doesn't support proton
uneven pulsar
do dx11 games need dx11 to run? they do iirc
Stop making sense
opaque wharf
Wtf is happening
olive sable
wdym?
things like compiled languages dont need the language itself to be installed, but dx11 as the graphics api does need it
so does proton have dx11?
Yes, Proton does support DirectX 11 (DX11). It uses the DXVK library to translate Direct3D 9, 10, and 11 calls to Vulkan.
neat
olive sable
Stop making sense
you dont need it
uneven pulsar
I can't just put proton into winlator
faint sandal
what is going on here 
uneven pulsar
wtf is a winlator?
It packages wine and box86/64 into an android app
uneven pulsar
i thought you were using proton
I never said that
uneven pulsar
what is going on here <a:uuh:1115316350739546173>
I'm trying to play firewatch on a phone
olive sable
Winlator is an Android application that lets you run Windows (x86_64) applications and games with Wine and Box86/Box64.
and wine = shitty proton
but does not having the valve stuff remove dx11?
nah wine should have dx11
just not very well
so in theory it should jsut work rn, check that error log i guess
opaque wharf
opaque wharf
I'm trying to play firewatch on a phone
Honestly, this shit is cursed from the very beginning
olive sable
yep
uneven pulsar
I'm gonna update winlator since my install is a few months old
opaque wharf
Bro that's the least of the problem right now
uneven pulsar
Still doesn't work
olive sable
what does the error log say?
olive sable
that does sound kinda important you know
uneven pulsar
The installer is for windows 7 so I'll try in comparability mode
uneven pulsar
Trying to install DX11
olive sable
dx11 should be included with winlator since it runs on wine and wine has dx11 support
you cant just install actual dx11 since dx11 relies heavily on it being actual windows
opaque wharf
The fact that it works...
uneven pulsar
Other drivers don't work
A different translation layer is getting slightly better fps
This translation layer is faster and renders correctly
olive sable
you're completly ignoring that the mesh broke on the 1st one
the reason the fps was slower there was probably that
uneven pulsar
I reloaded that one a few times with different versions and it didn't change
So I couldn't have fixed that
The last driver didn't work
But
uneven pulsar
This translation layer is faster and renders correctly
I downgraded the driver I used here to just support DX 11.0 and I'm getting a stable 27 fps
I found out why the fps was so low
I'm getting 39 fps now :3
Well I am just on the menu
I'm gonna start the game and see what happens
opaque wharf
#programming truly never cease to amaze me
olive sable
it is
olive sable
altho my standarts may be too high with me being used to 4-5 digit fps
uneven pulsar
I'm poor so this fps is fine
olive sable
what cpu u using?
uneven pulsar
Its using 2 translation layers plus a 3rd for the graphics and it gets an easy 16 fps (2.5 when I turn)
uneven pulsar
Those words do sound in interesting
Huh
I don't know what they mean but they are interesting
olive sable
brother you dont need no graphics translation layer, this thing has dx12 built in
uneven pulsar
Wha
olive sable
The lack of BCn makes about 95% of the games available unable to even boot up, while the rest 5% is subdivided into games with other formats not being supported and really old games that don't rely on BCn
so ye thats probably why it was crashing before
you'l probably need to keep using the translation layer unless you have a decompiled game that you can modify to work
opaque wharf
What is BCn?
uneven pulsar
That sounds like effort and Im getting like 30fps on a lower resolution
opaque wharf
My search came up with Bible camp national and I don't think that's it
olive sable
BCn does texture shit
i think compression
ye google says texture compression format
some type of algorithm
BCn (Block Compression n)
hoary lion
interesting
opaque sigil
i hate audio
opaque sigil
so as it turns out the reason my pipewire config seemingly broke for no apparent reason is that i use two plugins for the final effects, one for a 6db gain reduction and one for eq
on their own they work just fine
both together, regardless of the settings they just completely mute the output 
even when i set the gain to be 0 it still mutes it even though there should be no difference in the signal going into the eq
olive sable
ah
opaque sigil
the eq one does have a gain option but that didn't really work or i think it was mono
olive sable
plugins ye
opaque sigil
okay yeah the input gain option from the eq plugin does nothing, time to go searching 
opaque wharf
Tune the eq so -6db point is the max
opaque sigil
it's a very specific eq so i'd rather not
opaque wharf
What kind of eq is not very specific?
olive sable
me when setting an EQ
can confirm\
its not too big of a diffrence but i put the rendering in a seperate thread than the SDL event handler and fps math
instead of 10150fps i now get 9960
i barely know how this multithreading stuff works and any resemblence to good code is thanks to chatgpt's recomendations
while multithreading isn't really useful rn it will come in handy later
imma stop for today tho
warm star
Found this
nocturne olive
i barely know how this multithreading stuff works and any resemblence to good co...
Note that while multithreading, you want to utilize hardware resource locks if more than one thread needs to modify a single resource
nocturne olive
I have no clue how it works tho so <:evilShrug:1181337628575019039>
Some stuff to do with hardware features that makes it so when a thread locks a resource lock, other threads will have to halt before locking it until it is unlocked, allowing one thread at a time to access the resource
olive sable
opaque wharf
Atomic ensure that the operation is done in a single cycle usually
olive sable
opaque sigil
think about it this way, normally you'd have to
- read the current value
- update it
- store the new value
atomic instructions let you do this all in one go
olive sable
And that ensures it doesnt get changed while reading then i guess?
opaque sigil
yup
opaque wharf
It ensure that it cannot be read and being written simultaneously yes
olive sable
opaque sigil
since otherwise you can run into the situation where you read the value but by the time you write the new one it has already been written to by another thread
meaning you overwrite the other value
olive sable
opaque wharf
But for more complex operation that acquire resources (like i/o) you'd need semaphore/lock/mutex
olive sable
Fence
In terms of i/o there isnt really anything id need semaphores or fences for i think
opaque wharf
A knife is just a gun that fires a wide projectile with a very short lifespan
Reading some old cursed game thread, I wonder how Sam would solve some of the problem lmao
amber fractal
> A knife is just a gun that fires a wide projectile with a very short lifespan
I see no issue with this
Reminds me that I have some game physics to figure out.
amber fractal
> A knife is just a gun that fires a wide projectile with a very short lifespan
Wider effect piercing damage, the wideness adds to some max hp drop. That'd be my approach on the actual damage numbers.
opaque wharf
It's not a tutorial to create a cursed mechanics 
The thread stemmed from this post. Spoiler for flashbang protection
opaque sigil
i think i'm done 
also TIL nix(pkgs) has basically no functions for doing math with floats so that's cool
opaque wharf
i think i'm done <a:pogs:1100369978324156496>
Done as in finished or done as in tired?
opaque sigil
it works
amber fractal
It's not a tutorial to create a cursed mechanics <:evilBwaa:1263974044022079578>
Throwing axe 
opaque sigil
i might add some stuff to make adding apps to the specific categories a bit easier in the nixos module but that's for another day
midnight sigil
found the problem
opaque wharf
hoary lion
why do they even make engines like that
opaque wharf
Tech debt and deadline
Also adding feature mid development that the engine was not designed for
hoary lion
fair, but still hilarious that you have to take the hard way to make things work
opaque wharf
And sometimes the result is not that great too
opaque sigil
how is it almost 6am already
amber fractal
I'm on sleep
just a guess
Half of these emojis aren't even colored in, which I'd not expect for a browser of all things
whoops, flashbang
Why two of them are straight up half normal and half colored, I got no idea
I know this is composed emojis, but I got several questions
hoary lion
bwawa
tawdry nacelle
random question, trying to get a friend into Neuro but their worried about what she was trained on
is that public knowledge around here?
afaik it was mostly twitch chats and private data
raven dock
random question, trying to get a friend into Neuro but their worried about what ...
not going to lie as im building one myself, its mostly legit stuff from microsoft and facebook and then self training, which is scary when it works
im using https://huggingface.co/microsoft/phi-2 myself
midnight sigil
tbh most datasets are scraped off the web, it's hard to judge if something is ethical or not
raven dock
tbh most datasets are scraped off the web, it's hard to judge if something is et...
actually most datasets are publically availible you might have to search hard tho
raven dock
https://github.com/facebookresearch/textlesslib/tree/main/examples/expresso/dataset This is a example
its also from facebook. its dataset is over 30 gigs
midnight sigil
example of speech datasets
to build a speech dataset, one has to hire people to speak. ofc they are ethical
how about large-scale text data?
raven dock
depends on the company or person doing it / model
amber fractal
to build a speech dataset, one has to hire people to speak. ofc they are ethical
I'm on mayhaps, see voice cloning
raven dock
surprisingly enough im learning its really easy to do
glass sage
midnight sigil
depends on the company or person doing it / model
it's simply impossible
amber fractal
I think every model has a way of being done correctly or incorrectly. (For image models I'm looking at adobe who suposidly bought all of licences needed to train)
midnight sigil
it's simply impossible
you can't ask for consent for everyone's text, unless they hire people to type out millions of Q&A data
amber fractal
you can't ask for consent for everyone's text, unless they hire people to type o...
I mean you can if you keep the scope reasonable, but most people are not interested in such
raven dock
this is where Machine learning and Reinforcement learning kicks in
Example of mine looks like:
00:28:03 | INFO | 🛠️ Luna Self-Instruct CLI initialized
╔══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╗
║ 🌙 LUNA SELF-INSTRUCT CLI ║
║ Advanced AI Pipeline Management Tools ║
╚══════════════════════════════════════════════════════════════╝
📊 LUNA SELF-INSTRUCT PIPELINE STATUS
🟢 Pipeline Health: Operational
🕒 Last Update: 2025-08-05T00:28:03.594196
📋 COLLECTIONS STATUS
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
🟢 Synthetic Instructions Raw 15,420 samples
🟢 Synthetic Instructions Cleaned 12,336 samples
🟢 Human Validated 1,250 samples
🟢 Training Metrics 4,520 samples
📈 TODAY'S ACTIVITY
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
🎯 Instructions Generated: 450
🔍 Instructions Filtered: 380
🚀 Training Sessions: 2
👥 Human Reviews: 25
💻 SYSTEM METRICS
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
🖥️ CPU Usage: 45.2% █████████░░░░░░░░░░░
💾 Memory Usage: 67.8% █████████████░░░░░░░
🎮 GPU Usage: 23.1% ████░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░
💿 Disk Usage: 12.4% ██░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░░
✅ All systems operating optimally!
amber fractal
I mean you can if you keep the scope reasonable, but most people are not interes...
Most people expect AI to be a master of all to some degree, if your alright with abandoining that idea then it swings into barely possible.
midnight sigil
I mean you can if you keep the scope reasonable, but most people are not interes...
no one trains on only wikipedia and stuff, I'm sure companies train on news websites and did not ask for consent
hoary lion
imean
not anything has to be pure when AI models are all opaque bunch of numbers
no one can know
amber fractal
<:neuroShrug:1131355609904726016> no one trains on only wikipedia and stuff, I'm...
One could do the whole Q/A thing on a smaller scale, just not knowlegable on every subject levels of intelligence.
It'd still hurt the wallet, but it is feasble at least.
raven dock
<:neuroShrug:1131355609904726016> no one trains on only wikipedia and stuff, I'm...
pretty sure they trained them on those education books they sell to old people
midnight sigil
example of the responses: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/358522227605635...
so basically in-breeding, you still need a model trained on possibly unethical text
midnight sigil
@amber fractal is AI ethical topics a bingo?
raven dock
This is my Fix for it: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.18523
amber fractal
<@405184938045079552> is AI ethical topics a bingo? <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119...
AI ethical debates are not on this bingo, it should have been.
midnight sigil
This is my Fix for it: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.18523
you're talking about AI morality, I'm talking about the ethicality of AI datasets
raven dock
you just have to trust the researcher
amber fractal
you just have to trust the researcher
source: trust me bro vibes
midnight sigil
This is my Fix for it: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2507.18523
You see, this paper actually uses the MFTC and MFRC datasets, which were scraped off the web. Did they ask for consent from everyone on those websites? Frankly no
raven dock
meh
its a good think im not readin it i guess
i just get chatgpt to read it and translate the stuff i need
midnight sigil
All I'm saying is that it's hard to judge if something is ethical or not; we have no clear classifications and quantization method for "ethicality" in AI training data. By the closed-source clarifications of most company AI models/datasets, and the large amount of data they have, it's easy to say they can't ask for consent of everything they scrap.
raven dock
i believe anything that can be seen from your private home or that is publicaly availible is free game
amber fractal
I'd highly disagree because there is a diffrence in intent
midnight sigil
Ethical is subjective 
raven dock
kinda like journalism
amber fractal
like how you have diffrent licenses depending on what you want to do with music
amber fractal
Stolen data can be licenced whatever they see fit
amber fractal
i believe anything that can be seen from your private home or that is publicaly ...
The issue that is being argued is a baseline disagreement with this statement
raven dock
Stolen data can be licenced whatever they see fit
so can cars, its not a new concept
amber fractal
Both are wrong, your not making any new points
raven dock
im not sure what your point is to be honest
midnight sigil
so can cars, its not a new concept
stealing is a crime by itself, he's not talking about the licensing problem
raven dock
and do you think these people stole?
midnight sigil
yea, pretty much
amber fractal
Agreed, it was stolen
raven dock
yea, pretty much
did they get in trouble by the law?
amber fractal
That's such a low blow
midnight sigil
did law clarify ethicality
midnight sigil
it's one of those law problems again. Discord has a ToS and Privacy Policy of not using data on the platform to train AIs. Yet there are Discord chat scraps everywhere
raven dock
then report those people
midnight sigil
did they get punished? No. Is it unethical? Yes.
amber fractal
Where is a quote from SAO
There are things you should do even if it is forbidden by law, likewise there are things that you should not do even if allowed by the law.
raven dock
k and do we care? no
amber fractal
k and do we care? no
If we didn't care we would have ignored you
hoary lion
are we still talking about ethics
midnight sigil
yes
raven dock
They seem to have a rough understanding of reality
amber fractal
They seem to have a rough understanding of reality
Reality is not fair
raven dock
Reality is not fair
thats the hard truth
amber fractal
One should not treat it as an end all result either
midnight sigil
Crime behaviour should not be normalized, just because "Many people do it"
amber fractal
One should not treat it as an end all result either
So if reality is corrupt, then it can't be trusted to enforce what should be enforced.
raven dock
and, the information they grabbed was it publically availbile or was it private?
amber fractal
That is why this problem even evists
raven dock
was it locked behind a news subscription paywall?
amber fractal
and, the information they grabbed was it publically availbile or was it private?
publically available for what use?
midnight sigil
👆
hoary lion
true
midnight sigil
was it locked behind a news subscription paywall?
yes
raven dock
anything that can be seen or visited online is up for grabs
hoary lion
i mean google seems to use scraped data
im pretty sure they abuse their SEO
cause
there are very specific kr websites
amber fractal
Because I am not consenting for AI scrapers but I am consenting for use in conversation archival.
hoary lion
that only appears on google and such
raven dock
google the search engine is a scaper, thats the whole point of a search engine
midnight sigil
I believe openwebtext have paywall websites as well, I forgot and don't take this sentence seriously
hoary lion
only gemini has that kind of data
amber fractal
google the search engine is a scaper, thats the whole point of a search engine
And people can modify robots.txt to consent
midnight sigil
google the search engine is a scaper, thats the whole point of a search engine
and google is using the search engine indexer to scrape websites for its AI
raven dock
its a good thing AI aint robots
amber fractal
With AI that isn't an option and mostly ignored
hoary lion
and google is using the search engine indexer to scrape websites for its AI
i tried to say this but miserably failed, thanks
raven dock
by law definition matters
midnight sigil
and google is using the search engine indexer to scrape websites for its AI
this is proven because the recent Cloudflare Pay Per Crawl thing btw
hoary lion
exactly
cloudflare protected websites
well what are tehy gonna do
open up for SEO for google and such
midnight sigil
by law definition matters
things should not be normalized just because old laws don't care shit about AI
it's unethical
raven dock
Cloudflare is mostly just a website caching service, they dont really actually protect anything
midnight sigil
and law does not care about ethic
hoary lion
Cloudflare is mostly just a website caching service, they dont really actually p...
not true
midnight sigil
Cloudflare is mostly just a website caching service, they dont really actually p...
what
hoary lion
do you know how hard I tried to get past cloudflare
just to use ChatGPT subscription as API
faint sandal
cloudflare doesn't provide any protection
hoary lion
raven dock
Yes, clueless
hoary lion
so like
raven dock
Thats why my discord title is POT
hoary lion
not everything is ethical
i dont agree that there should be laws because i like free data but
still it is unethical
raven dock
Everything in life is free, thats my philosophy
faint sandal
tldr I just got here
amber fractal
tldr I just got here
AI ethics debate
faint sandal
hoary lion
that three word was perfect
raven dock
not really a debate, more like they have comments and are struggling to accept reality
amber fractal
AI ethics debate
Topic being: Is scrapped data ethical as long as it is public infomation
amber fractal
not really a debate, more like they have comments and are struggling to accept r...
Hans is using personal attacks while the rest of us are using logic
raven dock
Hans is using personal attacks while the rest of us are using logic
what did i say that was a personal attack?
faint sandal
technically any unprotected database is public information even if unintended
midnight sigil
Topic being: Is scrapped data ethical as long as it is public infomation
The whole point of Hans is: Datasets gathered with unethicality are not punished by laws, so they are fine. Data that can be scraped off is publicly available, so it's fine to just store them and redistribute it for a different purpose.
hoary lion
i mean
dont we agree that shit that does not get us into trouble can be still unethical
raven dock
this guy is clueless
i believe this is a personal attack
hoary lion
raven dock
Facts are hard to accept sometimes
hoary lion
that hurts
midnight sigil
Facts are hard to accept sometimes
I agree
that's what you're doing in the last hour
amber fractal
what did i say that was a personal attack?
This is the second time you've used "stuggling to accept reality" as a point. Though I do agree that caibi's comment was also a personal attack.
faint sandal
yuore
midnight sigil
Why can't I talk about ethics in a programming channel
midnight sigil
it's a technical talk
raven dock
Why can't I talk about ethics in a programming channel
It's the same as talking about politics, your just flaming
midnight sigil
by what degree it's same as politics 😭
midnight sigil
bro is trying to mislead off the direction of this debate, 'cause he got no points to pull against us
faint sandal
this conversation is stupid
hoary lion
lets just do our shi
amber fractal
I'm on pass or summoning due to no politics
raven dock
bro is trying to mislead off the direction of this debate, 'cause he got no poin...
Like i said, there is no debate
hoary lion
scrape data as they do not get myself into trouble is fine
amber fractal
Like i said, there is no debate
There is one to be had, just not with you
hoary lion
but saying that it is unethical is also fine
amber fractal
NEW TOPIC DINK DONK
midnight sigil
awa awa awawa awawa awa awawa
amber fractal
awa
midnight sigil
bwa?
midnight sigil
midnight sigil
amber fractal
Saving rq
hoary lion
"r1"
amber fractal
minor spelling mistake
midnight sigil
Awawawawawawa
amber fractal
and that is a huge one <@405184938045079552>
midnight sigil
midnight sigil
hoary lion
they definitely said this summer
amber fractal
amber fractal
i am waiting for gpt 5
It's never going to be real
they'll keep at 4.xx 4x and Ox until the end of time
hoary lion
no trust me this time it's different!
it better be
hoary lion
omw to openai
midnight sigil
they'll keep at 4.xx 4x and Ox until the end of time
don't forget Turbo
amber fractal
don't forget Turbo
pretend 4x is 4x* fr fr
midnight sigil
# NEW TOPIC DINK DONK
hold on you can send markdown titles now??
I recall them being automodded
amber fractal
<:neuroNOWAYING:1148961698099777638>
Yeah, I got automodded for them in the past as well. Not sure when it changed but someone else got away with it in the past
midnight sigil
oh man this is so good
I don't need to calculate each instructions in my head anymore
hoary lion
I recall them being automodded
yeah i remembered this too
now you can have headers 
-# also this tiny stuff, idk if it works
srsly
midnight sigil
midnight sigil
amber fractal
-# (edited)
midnight sigil
amber fractal
## (edited)
### (edited)
(edited)
-# (edited)
Forgor, smh
-# (edited)
mighty thorn
Topic being: Is scrapped data ethical as long as it is public infomation
in my humble opinion; absolutely any and all data is ethical to train an ai on so long as the weights are released publicly
amber fractal
in my humble opinion; absolutely any and all data is ethical to train an ai on s...
Plz do not reignite this
mighty thorn
Plz do not reignite this
I can’t my legs hurt too much
dire trout
help
cpp arduino shit
is so fucking annoying
// Variables
int ledPin = 13; // PIR sensor on digital pin 2
int buzzer = 9;
int triggerPin=3;
int echoPin=2;
float distance;
float duration;
void setup() {
pinMode(ledPin, OUTPUT); // Set LED pin as output
pinMode(buzzer, OUTPUT); // Set motor pin as output
pinMode(triggerPin,OUTPUT);
pinMode(echoPin, INPUT);
Serial.begin(9600); // Start serial communication
Serial.println("Motion Sensor Ready");
delay(2000);
}
void loop() {
digitalWrite(triggerPin, LOW);
delayMicroseconds(2); // Wait for 2 microseconds
digitalWrite(triggerPin, HIGH);
delayMicroseconds(10); // Wait for 10 microseconds
digitalWrite(triggerPin, LOW);
duration = pulseIn(echoPin, HIGH);
distance =(duration*0.034)/2; // Read the sensor
Serial.println(distance);
if (distance <= 10) {
digitalWrite(ledPin, HIGH); // Turn on LED
tone(buzzer, 100, 1000); // Stop the motor
Serial.println("Motion Detected!");
delay(5000);
} else {
digitalWrite(ledPin, LOW); // Turn off LED
Serial.println("No motion.");
}
}
i dont know whether its a hardware problem or code problem
but it keeps detecting motion even if i dont fucking
enable the sensor
either that or my issue is the sensor enabled by default
midnight sigil
arduino
dire trout
you can only not read it
what i meant
lmao
i thought the hardware was the issue at first bc it kept spamming 0.00 output
Motion Detected!
150.30
No motion.
1.39
Motion Detected!
but then it suddenly (kinda?) worked again but always outputted random high/low values even if sensor never triggered
im tired
the presentation is tomorrow
dire trout
i cant even test the thing except for right now because i dont keep the project
dire trout
I always do that
the buzzer keeps repeating the stupid rickroll
midnight sigil
```
Motion Detected!
150.30
No motion.
1.39
Motion Detected!
```
but then it sud...
if you're not sure about one thing, it's always that thing being wrong 
dire trout
if you're not sure about one thing, it's always that thing being wrong <:NeuroCl...
so.. hardware
midnight sigil
maybe
midnight sigil
dire trout
i wanted to do something more ambitious like this but i realized that the double check is actively harming detection (when it fucking worked, somehow..)
pros: less latency
cons: fucked up detection
amber fractal
CSS?
midnight sigil
WHY TF DOES MY SUBMERGE DELETE AN ENTIRE BUBBLE
that's why
should be static_cast<size_t>(pos) < bubbleAbyss.size() + 1
works now
midnight sigil
On the product page it doesn't do this, just the search page
it's time to do z-index: -1000
amber fractal
Where is the material propeerties, and where the frick is this section
midnight sigil
blank
amber fractal
Found the material somewhere entirely different. I got what I came for
begone jankage
mortal wolf
```Cpp
// Variables
int ledPin = 13; // PIR sensor on digital pin 2
int buz...
aren't you missing the last delay outside of your distance check
you're using this tutorial right
dire trout
aren't you missing the last delay outside of your distance check
do i have to add the delay
dire trout
you're using this tutorial right
no?
mortal wolf
well they did the exact same thing as yours and they do have a delay at the end, that yours is missing
it could help
dire trout
the delay only pauses the read
midnight sigil
do i have to add the delay
just try, it seems like a fair thing to fix even it's not the cause
dire trout
also i did add delay(5000);
ignore the remark that was a joke
note the top output
mortal wolf
the delay only pauses the read
it delays the whole loop
i haven't done this in 500000 years
olive mango
```Cpp
```
bro wtf
mortal wolf
but idk it feels worth tryign
dire trout
c++ can do that?
yeah i managed to get it to play some music
olive mango
yeah i managed to get it to play some music
plz source code
dire trout
plz source code
its.. arduino code btw
olive mango
its.. arduino code btw
i thought u did in raw c++
olive mango
im still noobie python programmer
im still learning algorithms, so ur good
im wishing to join IOI 😭
amber fractal
~~i thought u did in raw c++~~
Can't control fans to that degree smh
opaque sigil
Your motion detection does <= 10 btw
You probably want to flip that
Or at least add a > 0
midnight sigil
I hope so
lament ice
Could be pulsein...
The timing of this function has been determined empirically and will probably show errors in longer pulses. Works on pulses from 10 microseconds to 3 minutes in length.
Meaning tge sensor misses 1 microsecond and it falls out of the function dimensions...
opaque sigil
Write the plugin I guess
dire trout
Could be pulsein...
The timing of this function has been determined empirically ...
seriously
midnight sigil
classic "do it the programmer way"
midnight sigil
I guess I'll stick to Copilot for grammar correcting
does that make me a vibe coder
holy fuck this is actually useful
I felt the power
lament ice
How are you detecting motion?
midnight sigil
I have descended
dire trout
How are you detecting motion?
obstruction
amber fractal
<:neuroSadge:1059236278345936926> I have descended
I was using it to learn asm. I feel dirty doing so.
It used nasm formatting without telling me, so that took a bit to figure out
midnight sigil
I mean it's okay to use AI to assist you
just not trust and throw everything AI did
dire trout
AI is goodish at grammar stuff
opaque sigil
Nah nasm is unacceptable
amber fractal
surely someone didn't recommend it to me
opaque sigil
Nothing I just like shitting on it
dense marsh
but it keeps detecting motion even if i dont fucking
sounds like u either mapped the wrong pin or its a hardware problem. unless its smt ioncredibly stupid
dire trout
sounds like u either mapped the wrong pin or its a hardware problem. unless its ...
most likely hardware which i will test tmr
amber fractal
I could for the life of me not get nasm working with gcc. So I just did nasm and ld linking
midnight sigil
bc hardware is with another team member
you guys actually do team management??!
that's crazy
dense marsh
dire trout
you guys actually do team management??!
shitty team management
they didnt even bring extra parts
dense marsh
they didnt even bring extra parts
amber fractal
you guys actually do team management??!
*team mismanagement
dire trout
"oh oofio theres a issue can you help fix it"
"did you bring parts just incase its a hardware thing"
"oops"
midnight sigil
every time a group project is there, I'll just do all the jobs on my own cuz my friends suck at cooperation
dire trout
every time a group project is there, I'll just do all the jobs on my own cuz my ...
this tbh
amber fractal
"oh oofio theres a issue can you help fix it"
"did you bring parts just incase i...
You just reminded me, hand over the update on the AI generated project mates 
dire trout
You just reminded me, hand over the update on the AI generated project mates <:n...
btw same people working with me
on this stupid arduino
amber fractal
dire trout
thing
dense marsh
every time a group project is there, I'll just do all the jobs on my own cuz my ...
well that only works for so long
i have a full year project with a team on 7 and im not doing 7 persons work
amber fractal
btw same people working with me
Can we just kill them? They are doing nothing but generating chatgpt code for their projects?
dire trout
Can we just kill them? They are doing nothing but generating chatgpt code for th...
oh the code im doing all bymysef
amber fractal
No sharing this time
amber fractal
No sharing this time
let em suffer
dire trout
(all ai generated btw, which i added a disclamer at the end secretly so i dont get fcuked)
(bc AI is allowed, but it must be stated as a citation, which they didnt for some amazing reason)
mentioned*
amber fractal
(all ai generated btw, which i added a disclamer at the end secretly so i dont g...
X Y and Z used AI to generate this presentation instead of being useful to themselves and their teammates.
dire trout
X Y and Z used AI to generate this presentation instead of being useful to thems...
oh trust me for the self-team grading poll i gave them all a 1
amber fractal
(all ai generated btw, which i added a disclamer at the end secretly so i dont g...
I don't think that's a citation
dire trout
I don't think that's a citation <:neurOMEGALUL:1097297318119743638>
submission was 10 mins awayfrom deadline and they didnt gibe me access until last min
amber fractal
submission was 10 mins awayfrom deadline and they didnt gibe me access until las...
At least you added something to save yourself
dire trout
At least you added something to save yourself
i also wrote a message to the grading lecturer about it so hopefully it counts
its not that AI usage will give less marks btw its the lack of mentioning it that gets me fucked
amber fractal
i also wrote a message to the grading lecturer about it so hopefully it counts
...
We pray for all that we can that they take it into account
-# for those not in the loop, all of this dudes group mates in college are all vibecoders
lament ice
Oof.... well i can't think of anything except hardware failure either... code seems to do exactly what it should...
noble zodiac
I for one, welcome the young generation screwing themselves over for life with AI
more job security for us older folks
amber fractal
weeds out those only doing it for profit, keeping those generally interested
dire trout
-# for those not in the loop, all of this dudes group mates in college are all v...
i mean this is what the pitch looks like and atp im just going with the flow
amber fractal
playlist link 
dire trout
buddy could have fullscreened it at least 
amber fractal
Yeppers
dire trout
is that actual presentation
this will be shown to about 3-4 lecturers who we will have to give an 10~ min presentation to, and then answer whatever questions they give
amber fractal
i did not write this btw
No human makes the last section a summary of the points before it
dire trout
i was lucky to consult with a expert before this so i can probably handle improv
although he did expose a huge fucking flaw in it, so cooked either way
amber fractal
I wonder if they even know it is flawed
If they worked on it then surely they'd have an idea of the state it is in
dire trout
I wonder if they even know it is flawed <:ReallyInnocent:1229173141088112640>
i dont have the heart to tell them atp, if i do they will definitely change everything which was highly discouraged
amber fractal
i dont have the heart to tell them atp, if i do they will definitely change ever...
Just don't and let them be fully confident
dire trout
Just don't and let them be fully confident
yeah im done for the day
tomorrow is going to be something ig
midnight sigil
WTF COPILOT IS INSANE
all I gave is the access to this single markdown file, how did it know
midnight sigil
omniscient
glass flower
i wonder... has copilot improved over the years. last time i tried it, it was behind stuff like supermaven or cursor
stray dragon
but em-dash for that situation is like the only good choice
colon feels wrong for bullet point lists like that
it's not even an em dash
it's too short
smh
hoary lion
i bet all in to nvidia on my investopedia trading simulator
trust me wall street people will buy when gpt 5 is out
midnight sigil
hoary lion
this some new kind of betting
will openai release gpt5 or not
but with more thrill yk
tender river
also TIL nix(pkgs) has basically no functions for doing math with floats so that...
which ones are you missing?
tender river
Wasn't there unless I'm blind
yeah i'd personally just implement binary exponentiation
opaque sigil
i'm doing f(x) = 10^(x/20) so can't really do that unfortunately
thankfully as far as i'm concerned x^y = exp(y * ln(x))
tender river
i'm doing `f(x) = 10^(x/20)` so can't really do that unfortunately
you can but you'd have to compute an approximation
opaque sigil
i guess
opaque sigil
you just made me realise chay, division does not work at all
guess all my eq values are wrong then
do i just bite the bullet and do the conversion by hand
tender river
you just made me realise chay, division does not work at all <:neuroPogHD:105777...
it does though?
sage crag
wa
tender river
<:neuroHypers:1135051812722982922>
did you end up using https://github.com/xddxdd/nix-math ?
opaque sigil
I did yeah
tender river
it doesnt do binary exponentiation for integer powers apparently but since you only need fractionals it doesnt really matter
opaque sigil
midnight sigil
@opaque wharf https://github.com/anfogy/AWA5.0-Interpreter/
I pushed
get ready for my bad code
opaque sigil
midnight sigil
rough bloom
stark needle
desert plaza
sage crag
amber fractal
opaque wharf
sage crag
opaque wharf
It's a visual studio project 
sage crag
It's a visual studio project <:neuroD:1134963217676906606>
how complex is awa interpreter and can i write one in under 400 lines
midnight sigil
how complex is awa interpreter and can i write one in under 400 lines
maybe
you can try
midnight sigil
never code again
midnight sigil
It's a visual studio project <:neuroD:1134963217676906606>
what's wrong
tender river
<:neuroGun:1356404804385116250> what's wrong
visual studio = death, simple as
midnight sigil
opaque wharf
I don't mind visual studio project, but it should provide other build system like meson or CMake
opaque wharf
Even if it has CMakeLists.txt or meson?
tender river
cmake can generate msvc projects
you should have a single source of truth for your project
tender river
sln/vcproj are horrible autogenerated files that shouldnt be committed
midnight sigil
I forgot to edit that out in my init commit
rough bloom
sln/vcproj are horrible autogenerated files that shouldnt be committed
yes, that is true ever since VS got CMake support 
tender river
<:glueless:1282337396230328425> I forgot to edit that out in my init commit
you cant build the project without them if you use msvs 
rough bloom
yes, that is true ever since VS got CMake support <a:nodd:1361264998533435532>
thank god they added that
opaque wharf
yes, that is true ever since VS got CMake support <a:nodd:1361264998533435532>
This implies that it is a recent thing
tender river
This implies that it is a recent thing
cmake had vs support before vs had cmake support
opaque wharf
Classic corporate software 🏛️
The open source provide best effort support for the closed source software before the other way around
midnight sigil
smh the whole project
it has only one file
why do you need a build system for it duh
opaque wharf
Blame Visual Studio. It is a build system for visual studio
jagged turtle
visual studio extension dev scares me somehow
midnight sigil
Blame Visual Studio. It is a build system for visual studio <:cupsama:1109248605...
I guess you can CMake now
rare bramble
I mean there is a c++ standard so surely all compilers should be fine and work well
olive sable
Reading some old cursed game thread, I wonder how Sam would solve some of the pr...
Well, when you think about it a helicoptr is just a very round flying cube
opaque wharf
I think using target_compile_features(awa5_interpreter cxx_std_20) is prefered
opaque wharf
Well, when you think about it a helicoptr is just a very round flying cube
RoundCube
midnight sigil
I think using `target_compile_features(awa5_interpreter cxx_std_20)` is prefered
ok
I don't use cmake I have no idea how this thing works
opaque wharf
It's been a while since I make a CMake too to be fair
rough bloom
it's fine, barely anybody does
there's always 5 different ways to do something and there's no clear recommendation on which to pick
opaque wharf
I just use this
https://github.com/ObKo/stm32-cmake
midnight sigil
windows I use makefiles, linux I use makefiles
well I use Visual Studio if I'm using Visual Studio
I'd think makefiles are the most common way
opaque wharf
tender river
how complex is awa interpreter and can i write one in under 400 lines
i made a noncomformant implementation (i.e. i can't be bothered to read into the underspecified standard) without division and input in hblang and it was just a bit above 200 lines of code
horrible spec do not recommend
tender river
thats one of the parts where the spec is wrong
sage crag
"the spec is perfect" said the imperfect spec
(it was wrong because it wasnt perfect)
(therefore it wasnt perfect and hence it was wrong)
(goto 0)
midnight sigil
it isn't the spec or the language that isn't perfect, the person reading the spec and making programs for it isn't
sage crag
if the spec was perfect it would be able to convey its meaning perfectly
hence the spec isnt perfect
tender river
olive sable
sage crag
it doesnt make sense
awa5 is perfect
devs are imperfect
hence we wont make a way for devs to handle their errors
(because we are perfect)
bleak flame
I don't use cmake I have no idea how this thing works
Fair
midnight sigil
ehh depends
you can have 5000 lines in a class if you feel like you're a yandev guy
olive sable
nah 38, forgot to count the public one as it was collapsed
there are about 940 lines of code in this class
midnight sigil
👍
opaque wharf
is a class with 37 functions too much?
Not really
Especially if the class is Universe class
I'd argue it is too little
class Universe {
// Omitted for brevity
};
depends on what you call a function
opaque wharf
You may want to take a look at mixin in cpp Sam
But not the CRTP one
That one is just dragons
noble zodiac
like if those are static methods than thats absolutely too much