programming

[opaque wharf]

But imagine the marketing potential for hblang tho

[midnight sigil]

dev streams

multi-process osu and programming

[sage crag]

get me a model and i will

[midnight sigil]

chat

[sage crag]

no i lied dont try it

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

I was going to say, what a coincidence that we have a model on the server next door lol

[sage crag]

it wouldnt be interesting anyway because i would be dead silent

i dont like speaking

[opaque wharf]

So youre a TV without speaker?

[midnight sigil]

many vtubers do that

[sage crag]

[midnight sigil]

as long as you leave your keyboard sounds being recorded I'll be happy to watch

[opaque wharf]

Or do TTS like Zen

[sage crag]

this feels eerie somehow

[sage crag]

does zen use tts or does she use stt -> tts

[rough bloom]

Zen does STT -> TTS

[opaque wharf]

The latter most likely tbh

[sage crag]

wouldnt even work because my mic is on a headset

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

actually i do have a desk mic somewhere but it makes a humming noise when i go near it

[opaque wharf]

Then do a neuro and just type real fast

[rough bloom]

very noticeable because the STT misunderstands stuff quite often

[sage crag]

nurp

[sage crag]

like im not that electrically charged calm down

[midnight sigil]

so you're a CRT TV

[opaque wharf]

But you're a CRT no?

[sage crag]

i guess thats fair

[olive sable]

No suprises there

[sage crag]

yesh

[opaque wharf]

Turns out that andromeda image is the largest image

[sage crag]

im a quiet person

[olive sable]

36512, thats illegal

[opaque wharf]

1 of 1

[olive sable]

Afaik they just put the exces pixels on a 2nd framebuffer if they run out of space anyways

[olive sable]

Like how blender renders in 2048 pixel tiles

[sage crag]

if people are actually interested i can set up a twitch/yt/whatever stream in a few days or something bwabwabwa

[olive sable]

Bwabwabwa

I might join if im in the mood for static noise

[sage crag]

static noise

[olive sable]

You said you wouldnt speak

[sage crag]

osu

[olive sable]

Ohhh

[sage crag]

probably not programming that sounds like death

[olive sable]

If i were to stream my programming people would cancel me

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

30% copy pasting 60% optemizing 9.99% insanity 0.01% working code

[sage crag]

im not focused enough for a programming stream

ill start playing osu in 10 minutes

[olive sable]

Now?

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

no i mean

[olive sable]

Oh

[sage crag]

if i were to do a programming stream

[olive sable]

Nevermind

[sage crag]

i would get bored and start doing anything else

[olive sable]

My programming is ussualy 30min code and 1h yt

And then i suddendly i get focus again

[opaque wharf]

Boy do I glad that I oversized my SWAP for no good reason lol

[olive sable]

Big swap

[opaque wharf]

The starvation is real

[midnight sigil]

I have multiple 50MP cloud images

[opaque wharf]

I am amazed that the kernel prioritize the right thing

The UI is still very responsive

Even with a video playing

[midnight sigil]

very juicy details

84.44mb

one of them

for those who don't want to downlaod it, it's pretty cool

[opaque wharf]

That looks more like texture/heightmap

[midnight sigil]

they are however satellite images of clouds floating on the pacific ocean

I forgot what spectrum range it is

[opaque wharf]

The RAM:

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

[midnight sigil]

noise

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[sage crag]

i cant exactly send the file

[midnight sigil]

share similarities

[sage crag]

why is it noisy

also why is it only 12:11

it feels later

[opaque wharf]

Wdym noisy? Zoom in more

Oh. I thought you were talking about the galaxy image lol

[sage crag]

i also cant do this because i need a decent camera

droidcam wont cut it

[midnight sigil]

I have three images(all 8600x12200) of M51(Whirlpool) in different spectrum ranges

[faint sandal]

average raw filesize of a full frame user

[midnight sigil]

they are all somehow almost same size

oh nvm the unnormalized data is 1gb in size

[opaque wharf]

https://mediapipe-studio.webapps.google.com/demo/face_landmarker

[sage crag]

i dont want google stealing my face

:ReallyMad:

[midnight sigil]

you can pump phone cameras into vtube studio

[opaque wharf]

Why use droidcam when you can use raw ADB?

ADB even support the transport over Wi-Fi

https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy/blob/master/doc/camera.md

[olive sable]

Howdo you do this??

I need to have the dumbest name possible

[opaque wharf]

Let me tell you a story Sam. Before AI generated images, we used to have this tool called photoshop

Could also be a dedicated person re-creating the windows GUI

[olive sable]

Nah its real

I believe

I believe in the heart of the cards

[opaque wharf]

Like this one
https://bsodmaker.net/

[olive sable]

Bwaa

[midnight sigil]

can I license my AWA5.0 interpreter's git repo under MIT? Will that be unethical, as I'm using their code and their concept on the language to make my interpreter on it, although the original AWA5.0 repo is unlicensed

[sage crag]

free meowing vc

[midnight sigil]

modify your registers via regedit... if you're using windows at all

[olive sable]

I am using windows at all

Whatevere that means

[midnight sigil]

cool

[opaque wharf]

Free meowing

[olive sable]

Lemme get my headphones

[midnight sigil]

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\HARDWARE\DESCRIPTION\System\CentralProcessor\0\ProcessorNameString is what you want to edit

[opaque wharf]

You'd be surprised by how deep my voice is

[olive sable]

You're a fake and a fraud

That wav is not meowing

[midnight sigil]

👲

[opaque wharf]

Never trust a file name

[olive sable]

Im now in the middle of this fancy restaurant listening to osu gameplay

Peak 2025

[midnight sigil]

guys help me

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I'd say just publish it. I'm sure the guy wouldn't mind

[olive sable]

Im not up to date on what awa5.0 even is

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-the-frog-disappointed-disappointed-pepe-tired-gif-1482602579291311529

[opaque wharf]

And yet you're always using the start of the program mark

Dangit, why is EvilSMH a premium

[olive sable]

awa

[olive sable]

[midnight sigil]

cuz it moves

duh

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

[faint sandal]

[rough bloom]

no, it's fine
you're only licensing your own code after all

[midnight sigil]

[olive sable]

Huh

I did not know

Also whats up with these fucking limes everywhere???

Eveywhere i go, i see limes

[opaque wharf]

The discord fan server is also where I learned about .gay TLDs

[tight tinsel]

so real last year i wrote usain bolt runs at 22.5m/s

[tender river]

isnt that sigint

[sage crag]

UHH

oops caps

[tender river]

there's probably a timeline in which i am one

thats why i was working on a reverse engineered version of live2d actually

but i decided against it for similar reasons

[tender river]

chrome added apng support in 2017 but firefox has had it since 2008

[opaque wharf]

What will your content be?

[tender river]

it will not be

[faint sandal]

[sage crag]

Uninstall Spout2 OBS Plugin

[tender river]

i wonder why its sorted that way, because i lexicographically comes after space, b comes after B, Users comes after ProgramData, it probably uses a frecency bias

or it could put %appdata% before programdata for some reason i guess

[sage crag]

1 giraffe

[tender river]

so true sister

[sage crag]

look at latest hblang commit

pretty interesting

also i need to start reading the asm more thoroughly to notice stupid optimisations like this

[tender river]

awa

[sage crag]

the rep stosb peep is still manually implemented it looks like

the peeps are now written in a lisp dsl, this is just in the compiler now

[olive sable]

Beach episodes are a scam

Being at the beach is pretty mid

[tender river]

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

i cant remember if [] is indirect addressing or not

it is

hm those are indeed suspicious

[midnight sigil]

all I do is trust my compiler

[tender river]

you cant trust hblang

[opaque wharf]

Are you expecting it to be like a paradise?

[sage crag]

hblang has no defined behaviour

it will do something

it may be correct

or it may not

[midnight sigil]

if it works it works

[sage crag]

about that

[tender river]

the definition of a valid program is "whatever the compiler accepts"

[opaque wharf]

Not whatever the CPU accept?

[sage crag]

no

[tender river]

die

[opaque wharf]

Why not?

[midnight sigil]

well, it didn't fail in compile-time, that must mean it works

[tender river]

nobody has asked for the cpu's opinion

[sage crag]

yes, the compiler is happy it made a working program

[tender river]

it has no say in the matter

[sage crag]

we are unhappy that the compiler decided to watch butterflies while writing

[opaque wharf]

@desert plaza is sadge

[desert plaza]

what

[midnight sigil]

who cares about my stupid intel piece of dumb dumb

[opaque wharf]

You have no say in what is called a valid program

[sage crag]

neruio

sma

[desert plaza]

excuse me?

[tender river]

https://tenor.com/view/akita-neru-triple-baka-vocaloid-gif-27230209

[sage crag]

neru (io)

sms

[tender river]

[desert plaza]

programs made without compilers tho

can't believe this rn

[sage crag]

cpu doesnt get to complain

cpu get to execute program or throw error

[tender river]

those arent hblang programs

[sage crag]

hblang programs are mathematical objects

[desert plaza]

u can write an hbbc program without the compiler

[olive sable]

Have you not seen any beach episodes?

[tender river]

hbvm isnt hblang

[sage crag]

hbvm

[desert plaza]

hbvm is the vm

[sage crag]

yes

[desert plaza]

hbbc is the bytecode

[sage crag]

ehh

its just called holey bytes usually

[tender river]

hb

[sage crag]

yuh

[opaque wharf]

I have. But you are not the MC probably

[olive sable]

Oh really?

[desert plaza]

i can't find it, i know i've seen "hbbc" somewhere

[olive sable]

I didnt notice

[rigid snow]

sam is him

fr ong

[opaque wharf]

What writing raw machine code does to a mfker :evilsmh:

You even started hallucinating

[olive sable]

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

[midnight sigil]

awa

[sage crag]

ew

[tender river]

ew

[olive sable]

Ye im not talking about yall

[sage crag]

matter of principle

[tender river]

irrelevant

[olive sable]

Is what i said that bad? It was meant as a joke

[sage crag]

its certainly repelling for sure

[small anvil]

[olive sable]

Well nevermind then

[opaque wharf]

Looks like the hostage situation is cleared
https://depell.mlokis.dev

[tender river]

it makes you sound like a creep

[opaque wharf]

What have I come into

[olive sable]

Damn

[sage crag]

yeah from depell.mlokis.tech to depell.mlokis.dev

[opaque wharf]

Oh that one is still held hostage lmao

[sage crag]

make sure you know the definition of a word before you go using it

[opaque wharf]

Btw, isn't google is having some sort of shady thing with .dev or smth? Like suddenly increasing the price?

[olive sable]

Which word???

[tender river]

i'm feeling generous so i'll give you more feedback, a few weeks or months ago you said "women are pog" and i found that a bit weird as well

[olive sable]

Dogman has a bad influence on me

[sage crag]

every word

especially this one

[olive sable]

I must go

[sage crag]

[opaque wharf]

I've made my decision

[small anvil]

hblang for the win

[midnight sigil]

[opaque wharf]

We'll see

[sage crag]

✅

[midnight sigil]

my life is all about AWA now huh

[small anvil]

[opaque wharf]

If you love RISC, you should love AWA5.0

[midnight sigil]

awawa awa awa awawa awa

[rough bloom]

50/50

[sage crag]

if you like simple sentences, you will like "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"

[small anvil]

awa5.0 should compile directly to hblang bytecode

[opaque wharf]

The whole spec is just 14 page pdf

[midnight sigil]

it's too perfect that it doesn't require error handling

[sage crag]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/holey-bytes/holey-bytes/src/branch/trunk/spec.md

[midnight sigil]

it says I'm a bot

[sage crag]

its automatic

let it do its thing

[midnight sigil]

TL;DR

[opaque wharf]

The AWA5.0 spec is more accessible

[midnight sigil]

I need the hblang spec to be rendered in Comics Sans

[sage crag]

the hblang spec is protected from techbros

[opaque wharf]

hblang does not have a perfection guarantee :evilsmh:

[sage crag]

hblang has a correctness guarantee

everything that hblang does is correct, even if it was unintended by the programmer

[desert plaza]

how could i possibly choose

[opaque wharf]

You use the language that doesn't require compiler, a.k.a, AWA5.0

[sage crag]

hbvm doesnt need a compiler

[opaque wharf]

The poll is hblang

[tender river]

hblang doesnt to the same extent awa5.0 doesnt

[midnight sigil]

AWA5.0 is built on binaries

[sage crag]

what language isnt built on binaries

question

[midnight sigil]

English

[opaque wharf]

English

[tender river]

malbolge, arguably

[opaque wharf]

lmao

[tender river]

trinaries

[midnight sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-thinking-what-im-thinking-stan-marsh-south-park-same-idea-great-minds-think-alike-gif-21681265

[sage crag]

see, i knew the AWA contrarians would say this, but youre actually wrong, the universe is a simulation

[midnight sigil]

how'd you know it's a binary system?

[opaque wharf]

But I exists!

I am uncomputable

[midnight sigil]

we are indeed in a simulation, but built on top of quantums

we have vectors

[sage crag]

disagree, the universe is turing complete and hence representable as a natural number, hence is a binary

[desert plaza]

the only solution to this lang feud is to write an hblang compiler in AWA5.0

[midnight sigil]

soon™

[opaque wharf]

That would be cursed af ngl

[sage crag]

this would be the longest awa program that exists by far

[rough bloom]

I have a feeling that the other way around is a lot more feasible

[midnight sigil]

:neuroTrue:

[sage crag]

100 lines of hblang vs 1000000 lines of awa

[opaque wharf]

Where's the fun in that?

[midnight sigil]

technically it'll only be one line, since awa doesn't support line breaks

[desert plaza]

would need a custom awa runtime which allows access to file system

[midnight sigil]

all we have is, aw and space

[sage crag]

ok but if you dont use word wrap with awa you may have a problem

[desert plaza]

that's why i didn't say that

[opaque wharf]

Awa is open, hblang is not

[midnight sigil]

compare with hb bytecode

[rare bramble]

totally normal not somehow corrupted iuh

[desert plaza]

need to be as cursed as possible

[midnight sigil]

that's a low-pass filter overlayed over time

[sage crag]

apparently now its fair to compare to the bytecode

[opaque wharf]

We can have AWA5.hb

[sage crag]

hblang has MIT2.0 license and there are two existing compilers :neuroNod:

[desert plaza]

about to be a third

[midnight sigil]

I don't really understand the preserve part ngl. Does it mean I can only name my change to the standard with 5.X, or it means I can't do that

[desert plaza]

in awa

[sage crag]

[sage crag]

write it yourself

[opaque wharf]

It means if you are extending AWA5.# with I/O, you can call it AWA5.IO

But not required, just a polite request

[opaque wharf]

Cast your vote, be a good #programming citizen

[tender river]

https://pony.social/@luna/113544932987323214

luna, only carbon now (@[e-mail])

A lot of people don’t know this one weird trick — much like JavaScript, C also lets you perform arithmetic with mixed types:

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luna, only carbon now (@[e-mail])

-# ↩ luna, only carbon now
You can do this for exponents, too!

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[opaque wharf]

Same

[midnight sigil]

wot??? that's wacky

[sage crag]

its a trick

[midnight sigil]

since what standard this is a thing

[sage crag]

its not a standard

[tender river]

k&r probably

[sage crag]

its a trick

[tender river]

[sage crag]

let's examine the first one
"-0.5" + 1

"-0.5" is a c string, so it's actual type is char*, which means adding one to it offsets the start of the string by one character, which causes the - to get truncated leaving you with "0.5"

[tender river]

1 + "-0.5" is a more fun version

[sage crag]

as for 50 ** "2", uhhh

[tender river]

[sage crag]

oh deref

[tender river]

✅

[sage crag]

50 * ascii('2')

[desert plaza]

but

[midnight sigil]

yea I now looked at it I realized

[desert plaza]

i have to write a compiler for both of them in machine code first, how else will i know which one is better?

[sage crag]

write the awa compiler first

otherwise there will be a problem

[opaque wharf]

What problem?

[noble zodiac]

awa

[opaque wharf]

Cast your vote #programming message

[noble zodiac]

neither

[opaque wharf]

[desert plaza]

both

[glass flower]

where is Rust on that poll

[desert plaza]

[opaque wharf]

Rust isn't real

[glass flower]

[noble zodiac]

the only acceptable answer is lisp

[opaque wharf]

AWA5.0 should be written using this font
https://fonts.ilovetypography.com/fonts/tabular-type-foundry/comic-code

But it is paid

[sage crag]

"open"

[midnight sigil]

what is this

[opaque wharf]

The case will cascade. So it is a "fast" way to check if newValue is blo, sbm, srn, lbl, or jmp

So you don't have to write long list of ||

[glass flower]

i don't think... thats the issue with that code

[sage crag]

javascript is a toy language

[opaque wharf]

It is trying to do this

if (newValue == awatisms.blo || newValue == awatisms.sbm || newValue == awatisms.srn || /* ... */) {
  if (newValue == awatisms.blo) {
    // ...
  } else {
    // ...
  }
}

[glass flower]

but...

why

that if statement inside the switch is reduntant

[tender river]

it is not

[glass flower]

you are missing the issue

[sage crag]

it's not redundant

it's bad but it's not useless

[glass flower]

it is tho... the thing inside of the If should be in the switch result not after cascading

[opaque wharf]

The switch state that it could be sbm OR srn OR lbl OR ...

[tender river]

but its not redundant

it can be restructured, but its not redundant

[midnight sigil]

the problem is
case awatisms.jmp: already determined that newValue is awatisms.jmp, there's no point of doing an if-statement to compare the newValue(which is awatisms.jmp) to awatisms.blo

[midnight sigil]

or I'm missing something

[tender river]

no

[noble zodiac]

wrong

[opaque wharf]

Welcome to JS!

[tender river]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duff's_device

[glass flower]

you are checking the same thing twice... therefore redundant

[opaque wharf]

I have not seen that in a while lol

[sage crag]

its an interpreter written in javascript

[tender river]

if you do a & 8 == 1 and then a == 12 it is not redundant, its just clarifying things

[glass flower]

but thats not what its doing

[tender river]

thats exactly what its doing

[glass flower]

its doing "newValue == blo" and then doing "newValue == blo" again.
that code completely misses the point of a switch

[midnight sigil]

wot

I don't understand

[tender river]

it has common code after the if

[tender river]

read the article since it explains it

[tender river]

either way, removing the if would break things therefore the if is not redundant

and removing any switch case would break things therefore they are not redundant

[glass flower]

a single param = true

which probably shouldn't be in there anyway

[tender river]

redundancy doesnt mean wasteful code structure, it means useless code that never affects the end result

that can simply be removed

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that is simply bad code structure

Well, depends on what can be called "bad" too I guess

[glass flower]

else {
    //determine what to do here
    param = true;
    switch (newValue) {
        case awatisms.blo:
            targetBit = 8;
            signed = true;
            break;
        case awatisms.sbm:
        case awatisms.srn:
        case awatisms.lbl:
        case awatisms.jmp:
             targetBit = 5;
             signed = false;
            break;
        default:
            //Values are already correct, no change
            param = false;
            break;
    }
}

[midnight sigil]

now I understand

[tender river]

you have changed the code structure

[glass flower]

same functionality

[tender river]

same functionality, different structure

[glass flower]

not really different

[tender river]

original code is not redundant, but it could be better

[glass flower]

the if is literally the definition of redundant you are doing the same thing twice

just because there is common code doesn't make it not redundant

[tender river]

you aer wrong and i am right

[glass flower]

you are wrong and i am right

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-popcorn-eating-gif-15328083130531614510

[opaque wharf]

Let us define redundant

[tender river]

i have defined redundant code, code that can simply be removed without affecting the end result

[opaque wharf]

I can agree with that definition

Now, the blue side, please define redundant

[glass flower]

same definition

[tender river]

therefore, the code above is not redundant as reducing the amount of operations it does (redundant operations, mind you) requires a code restructure, not just removal of code

[sage crag]

considering that this is incredibly easy for advanced interpreters like modern javascript engines to optimise into a if, i see no validity in this statement

awa

[glass flower]

removing it from that cascaded if into its rightful place would not affect the end result

[tender river]

you have moved it though

not removed

"removing into" is not a thing

[glass flower]

the IF is redundant not the code inside it

[midnight sigil]

redundant means we can use less assembly codes to achieve the same functionality(outcome of program)

but tbh, both should be the same with gcc -o2

[tender river]

bwabwa i dont care about this debate sorry

[glass flower]

if newvalue == bloo{
if newvalue == bloo{
#do stuff
}
}

[sage crag]

hi, the if is not redundant, because if you remove the if the program ceases to function

if you restructure the program, such that the blo case was handled in the switch, and also left the if in there, that would be redundant

but that is not the case

[midnight sigil]

yea this is just the differs between the definition of "redundancy"

[glass flower]

but thats.... whats happening. just because it cascades into the same block doesn't remove the codeflow...

[tender river]

[glass flower]

can we just say that im right and move on

[midnight sigil]

redundant means that section of code have no functionality or impact to the outcome, like a comment

[noble zodiac]

Can we put "pointless argument for an hour" on the bingo card

[glass flower]

my code suggestion is clearly and objectively the best solution

[sage crag]

switch (newValue) {
  case awatisms.blo:
  case awatisms.sbm:
  case awatisms.srn:
  case awatisms.lbl:
  case awatisms.jmp:
    targetBit = 8;
    signed = true;
    param = true;
    break;
  default:
    break;
}

does this do the same thing as the program shown in the screenshot

tell me

[glass flower]

you are missing the whole point....

[sage crag]

oh, i am, am i

how nice

[midnight sigil]

you guys need to define redundancy first

[glass flower]

the if is redundant with the case of .blo:

[midnight sigil]

you're both not on the same channel

[sage crag]

we have agreed on a definition

[glass flower]

not that the whole code block should just cease to exist

[sage crag]

then ITS NOT

redundant

[glass flower]

it is

[midnight sigil]

I don't think so

[tender river]

adesi agreed with my definition

code that can be removed without affecting the outcome = redundant code

without moving other code in other parts of the program

[midnight sigil]

while not changing any other parts, yes

[glass flower]

we haven't agreed on that part

[midnight sigil]

[glass flower]

a function can be redundant but still require moving some code

[noble zodiac]

then its not redundant

[sage crag]

the function would be made redundant after restructuring

[glass flower]

doing the same thing twice is redundant

[tender river]

its a redundant operation

not redundant code

[sage crag]

you arent doing the same thing twice

[glass flower]

you are checking if something == bloo even tho you already did that

[midnight sigil]

if it requires change in other codes, it means that it has connections with other parts, hence not entirely redundant

[sage crag]

the first one is a catch all, the second one is a specific case

semantically, this is true

[opaque wharf]

You are comparing the var to some known value twice, yes that is redundant

But HOW that comparison is done

Does not make it redundant

[glass flower]

a switch is by definition not a catch all

[sage crag]

i think you just completely missed the point of what i said

[glass flower]

a switch should not be a catch all by definition

[noble zodiac]

it doesn't, it has two branches

[midnight sigil]

we definitely have to get this on bingo

it's, fun

[opaque wharf]

if (a && b && c) {} else if (a && b) {}

[glass flower]

but can we atleast agree that this is literally and undeniably the right way to write that code? #programming message

[sage crag]

no. to be honest i prefer the first version.

[opaque wharf]

[midnight sigil]

I would use simply if-statements ngl, but yea that works

[glass flower]

then just get rid of the switch

[sage crag]

javascript engines arent dumb enough to redo the calculation twice

[glass flower]

the predictive branching in cpu's will likely catch that redundancy away

[sage crag]

javascript the language is bad, but javascript engines are very well written and high performance machines

[midnight sigil]

let's see the syntax tree of that section of the code

and determine

[tender river]

nobody cares about asts

[sage crag]

syntax tree is distinct from IR

[opaque wharf]

If I have to write it, I'd use the if ([knownValue].includes(unknownValue)) trick

[sage crag]

asts are arbitrary

[tender river]

they get so much done to them

[sage crag]

i expect speculative branching will have a very minimal impact on a branch that is run inside a vm

[glass flower]

[sage crag]

if the engine has JIT, speculative branching would be more impactful

[midnight sigil]

are we even talking about cpu optimization methods now 😭 🙏

they are probably the same in compiler's perspective

[sage crag]

yes, very much identical

again, this is the most primitive type of optimisation

[midnight sigil]

yes the original code is lack of readability, it can be better, but that if-statement is not redundant, though can be reconstructed

either way it's the same performance

case solved

[glass flower]

[olive mango]

what we talkin' about guys:D?

[sage crag]

the rewritten code has the same readability because the only unreadable thing is the cascade.

in fact the rewritten code is arguably incorrect because of the way it handles the value of param.

the original code doesnt change the value of param aside from param=true. there may be cases where param was already true in the original code, that would lead it to get set to false in the rewritten code.

[olive mango]

oh java

im out

[desert plaza]

java?

[sage crag]

not java, javascript

[olive mango]

basically not the same i dont learn js 😭

you are all seniors though 😭

[rotund glade]

whats better vs code or visual studios?

[glass flower]

vscode

[sage crag]

depends what you are doing

generally vscode

[olive mango]

vscode

[glass flower]

vscode

[olive mango]

github copilot 👍

[glass flower]

copilot

[dry charm]

Intellij IDEA

[rotund glade]

gotcha i was trying to set it up, but starting the project seemed a bit less intuitive so i was debating switching over

[opaque wharf]

So you're not a vim cultist

[sage crag]

vim was not an option

but i dont personally use vim

[olive mango]

i dont even know vim commands

[opaque wharf]

This will help
https://vim-adventures.com/

[desert plaza]

:wq

:%s/1/2/g

[tender river]

learn it you can start with vscode nvim extension

for getting started try vimtutor

or the :Tutor command in vim/neovim

[sage crag]

no

[tender river]

[olive mango]

may sound stupid but why do you usually use vim (dont kill me)

[opaque wharf]

Why my OBS does not have web as source?

[maiden geyser]

but there's almost nothing to learn

[sage crag]

written demonstration of what im talking about

[trim valve]

are you on Linux?

[opaque wharf]

Lightweight and is usually already installed on most *nix system. Not to mention the customization and shortcut/command

[opaque wharf]

Yes, is it not supported?

[sage crag]

its a subtle logic error in the rewrite

bwa

[tender river]

there is a bit of a learning curve in remembering what you can do with vim so you dont get frustrated repeatedly using basic commands instead of more advanced actions

[trim valve]

I think some package distributions don't ship the web source

[desert plaza]

to edit text in terminal

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh, so it is external. Thanks. I'll look into the library of babel

[trim valve]

https://github.com/obsproject/obs-browser?tab=readme-ov-file#obs-browser

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[maiden geyser]

because it's funny, like a gui but tui

[tender river]

for programming

[trim valve]

ah the arch experience

[rotund glade]

yes

[opaque wharf]

I just assumed it is a built in feature of OBS lol

[sage crag]

for obs ideally you use the flatpak

[opaque wharf]

I will do just that now that I read the arch wiki more

[sage crag]

nuro

[sage crag]

pardon

[dire trout]

does this

correct

[sage crag]

does what correct

[dire trout]

it works

but like

is it

good

[sage crag]

why are using recursion to calculate determinant

is cursed

[flint dome]

so i'm guessing this is using matrices fo solving linear equations using cramer's rule

[flint dome]

1. proof of concept
   or
2. silly mode

[sage crag]

i think this is more complicated than the standard iterative algorithm

lol

[flint dome]

probably a way to show it can be done this way as well i suppose

or for the funny (spoken from past experience)

[dire trout]

1

[dire trout]

oh

[flint dome]

that... will take a while to check

[tender river]

honestly i only got convinced to switch to vim after doing d% to remove everything in a matching pair of parentheses, that was the first time i got a convincing use case that would be considerably more annoying in vscode

i kinda want to try helix now but nvim works fine so

[tender river]

before that i thought "i dont type that much code anyway compared to how long it takes to think about what to type so the editor isnt the bottleneck"

[flint dome]

does not account for one edge case let me send picture

wait 2 min

[dire trout]

[glass flower]

i know i would love vim... i just don't have the strength to learn it it would take me 2 months to barely be as efficent as i am now

[flint dome]

look for bottom right case and see if you have accounted for it

[glass flower]

also.. i would basically need to redo all keybinds due to my keyboard layout being german

[tender river]

my layout is jis and i'm doing just fine

vim generally doesnt rely on scancodes

it relies on what you type

[olive mango]

finally an algorithm dev

[glass flower]

well.. but that is the issue. the keys that are suppose to be next to eachother would be in very different locations

[tender river]

i dont think it takes that much effort to get started ramping up definitely takes time but you should probably get comfortable enough with it in around a week

[dire trout]

im gonna cry

the exam is tomorrow

its 12am

[flint dome]

otherwise, i like the algorithm mostly
good algo 👍

[olive mango]

university?

[flint dome]

of what

[tender river]

hjkl are still near each other, the rest doesnt really matter

[olive mango]

tech

[flint dome]

yeah what topic

[dire trout]

don't be too excited its literally only for one module

[noble zodiac]

helix is pretty close to vim control and command wise but is more intuitive

[glass flower]

z and y for example are switched.

[flint dome]

if its math i can send some good shit you can go over

[tender river]

but vim doesnt rely on them being in particular positions

[olive mango]

learn dynamic programming (i mean ur already doing it, what am i saying)

[tender river]

y = yank (copy), z = fold

[dire trout]

oh yeah misconception: im not in uni

[flint dome]

let bro suffer for exam first, he'll worry about that later

[dire trout]

studying in funny polytechnic

[glass flower]

well.. yeah but it would be ergonomically smart to keep them next to eachother no?

[olive mango]

2d dp is killing me

[flint dome]

what topic man someone could send help

[glass flower]

i also don't know of any vscode plugins that are good for using vim or learning vim

[dire trout]

i mean.. im still grasping the concept but i am learning it

[flint dome]

yeah understandable

[tender river]

idk what you mean, either way vim doesnt rely on a particular layout for anything besides hjkl

[dire trout]

its nothing too big its just matrices

[olive mango]

the concept: ez
how to apply:

[dire trout]

the programming part is okayish
i just suck at math for some ungodly reason

[dire trout]

actually

[flint dome]

do i send some stuff over for you to read and practice then

or are you good with your own notes and stuff

[olive mango]

im learning 2d dp and havent even touched tree, and more data structures 😭

[dire trout]

give

please

[olive mango]

try codeforces

[flint dome]

good luck, you will need it

[noble zodiac]

helix doing selection -> action vs vims action -> selection makes much more sense imo

[dire trout]

any help apprecieated

[flint dome]

hang on i'll dm

[olive mango]

plz gimme too 😭

[opaque wharf]

Jester is now a math dealer

math

[dire trout]

btw is sarrus rule easier or can i just use expansion method

[olive mango]

life could be a dream...

[opaque wharf]

Which one is make sense? The former?

[noble zodiac]

the former

[opaque wharf]

Agree

[sage crag]

do you want to see some awful code

[opaque wharf]

AWA5.0?

Hey, come on now, how come hblang got 4 vote
#programming message

[olive mango]

try understand this first

[dire trout]

what the fuck was that

[olive mango]

awa?

[dire trout]

[tender river]

guess i'll try switching it to it right now wouldnt hurt being exposed to more editing paradigms

[olive mango]

whaet

[dire trout]

ykw i never saw anything

[desert plaza]

whæt

[olive mango]

U sure ahh okay

[opaque wharf]

awa awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awa awa awawa awa awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awa awa awawawa awa awawa awawa awa awa awa awa awa awa awa awa awawa awa awawa awa awa awawawa awa awa awa awawa

[sage crag]

its gonna get in the spam filters one day

awa has reached critical concentrations

[opaque wharf]

It will not

[sage crag]

def wtf_square_mat_det(m):
    n = len(m)
    d = 1.0
    for i in range(n):
        r = max(range(i, n), key=lambda x: abs(m[x][i]))
        if m[r][i] == 0: return 0.0
        if r != i: m[i], m[r], d = m[r], m[i], -d
        p = m[i][i]
        d *= p
        for j in range(i + 1, n):
            for k in range(i + 1, n): m[j][k] -= (m[j][i] / p) * m[i][k]
    return d

im not sure how to make this worse to be honest, feel free to try

[olive mango]

python

learn c++ bro

[opaque wharf]

Oh no, chay is typing...

[tender river]

learn python "bro"

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I thought you are going to answer konii challenge lol

[sage crag]

is it too unfair to say that python is more complex than c++

[tender river]

c++ is more complex even if we include the stdlibs

[olive mango]

def lol(m):
 a=len(m);b=1.0
 for i in range(a):
  c=0;d=abs(m[i][i])
  for j in range(i,a):
   if abs(m[j][i])>d:
    d=abs(m[j][i]);c=j
  if m[c][i]==0:return 0.0
  if c!=i:
   tmp=m[i];m[i]=m[c];m[c]=tmp
   b=-b
  e=m[i][i];b*=e
  for j in range(i+1,a):
   f=m[j][i]/e
   for k in range(i+1,a):m[j][k]-=f*m[i][k]
 return b

[olive mango]

#define int long long

[tender river]

this is not even a c++ construct

[dire trout]

by the way is replacing every variable possible with an emoji horrible

[olive mango]

yes it is

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

You're better off writing it in https://www.emojicode.org/ entirely

[olive mango]

#include <bits/stdc++.h>
using namespace std;

#define endl '\n' 
#define int long long 
#define double long double 
#define largeint unsigned long long 

#define GawrGuraTop1 ios_base::sync_with_stdio(0); cin.tie(0); cout.tie(0);

[tender river]

go back to leetcoding

[hoary lion]

morn

i see leetcode

[sage crag]

why would you do this

[olive mango]

no, im codeforces user 👍

[hoary lion]

[olive mango]

idk

[sage crag]

#define double long double is especially why

why

[olive mango]

long double has larger size...?

[tender river]

thats still leetcoding

[olive mango]

ye

thx for info

[sage crag]

but it masks the original name

[olive mango]

dw, all my senpais do this

[sage crag]

f64

f32

f16

characters saved, easy to type

[tender river]

my header

[olive mango]

foob ❤️

[hoary lion]

how are you able to read characters with that background

is that cli

[olive mango]

btw, wtf are the long lines

[sage crag]

minified code

[hoary lion]

header moment

[flint dome]

what topic

[olive mango]

idk

c++?

[flint dome]

i thought math lol

c++ hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

lemme think

wait before everything @olive mango have you gone through learncpp

[olive mango]

no, i just learned all syntax and jumped in algorithms

[flint dome]

go through learncpp

did you start with c++ as your basic stuff

[olive mango]

python first

[flint dome]

ok, cool

[olive mango]

but i use python for some guis more

i use c++ for algoriths

i never use python for algo

[flint dome]

try running some algo in python

might be easier

[olive mango]

ye, but i feel better with c++

[flint dome]

c++ has this habit of forcing you to think for this and that (exception, memory management etc) which might slow you down or make you the same if you good)

[dire trout]

man i should learn c++ huh

[sage crag]

awa

[flint dome]

especially c

[olive mango]

sometimes loops in python are hard to understand 😭 (idk why, maybe im dumb)

[flint dome]

nah they feel pretty similar to c

[rigid snow]

class 🫩 extends 😔 {

[flint dome]

(it was, after all built on top of it, if i remember correctly?)

[olive mango]

idk why but even input in c is hard 💀

[dire trout]

[olive mango]

you mean python built by c?

[flint dome]

python compiler essentially runs c if im not wrong

[olive mango]

yeah, to run python

c can live without python but python cant live without c

[flint dome]

yes

they slapped their compiler to then use gcc

because the only other option was.... fortran

[olive mango]

btw is list similar to vector in c++

[olive mango]

ancient ahh language (jk it created c++)

[flint dome]

i suppose you can see where im going with that

[flint dome]

not exactly...

frequent popping and pushing is better off in list

[olive mango]

i thought it was because append and push_back

dw, im still array user

[flint dome]

also list sucks for random access

[olive mango]

wait, have you learned all algorithms (not all, but all the popular one)

[flint dome]

probably

i dunno

[olive mango]

like binary search,...

[flint dome]

i just finished high school

[olive mango]

noice

[flint dome]

yeah the simpler ones

[olive mango]

im grade 9 💀

[flint dome]

ay silly you got a lot of time

for that matter you're good

[olive mango]

entrance exam next year 😭

[flint dome]

for college?

[olive mango]

but it's easy so i dont think my brain will explode

[olive mango]

entrance exam for high school

[rigid snow]

i don't python, are lists actually linked??

[olive mango]

ever heard of linked lists

[tender river]

no python lists are fine

[elder nymph]

Is it just me or is the OpenAI chat API much, much slower than it used to be? I'm running the same program that I was ~9 months ago, and I swear response times used to be like 1-3 seconds, but now it's 10-20 seconds.

[flint dome]

nah you good

[olive mango]

erm what are you developing

AI hobbyist?

just curious, i suck at AI

(i havent even learnt machine learning)

[elder nymph]

I'm updating (mayble re-writing) Jippity, the tool I made for testing Neuro game API integrations

[rigid snow]

it's the guy

rewriting

[olive mango]

basically AI to play games...? (i guess?)

[elder nymph]

Yeah, effectively a stand-in for Neuro

it works, and it's worked since last year, but it has some pretty nasty race conditions

[olive mango]

gotta bury myself in physics 😭

[rigid snow]

small feature request, can you make the api host and base path configurable so we can plug in openrouter/llama-cpp-server or ollama/whatever without modifying the source code

[olive mango]

bye programmers

[opaque wharf]

This the repo?
https://github.com/EnterpriseScratchDev/neuro-api-jippity

[rigid snow]

yeah

[elder nymph]

I thought it was already configurable
I'll add that now if it isn't already

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/EnterpriseScratchDev/neuro-api-jippity/blob/e0b151ca65311586a9c657a30c16ca45effd4868/backend/src/index.ts#L19 this is the only option passed right

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, I'd suggest rewriting it if that is on the table tbh

[rigid snow]

it is very much jank

rewrite is long overdue

[opaque wharf]

Are you accepting PR?

[elder nymph]

yeah, I'll add a base url option now

[elder nymph]

If you want to make it less jank, you're more than welcome to do so

[opaque wharf]

It will most likely be a huge overhaul tho

My idea is having some form of control panel like how vedal has control panel for neuro

[rigid snow]

https://github.com/EnterpriseScratchDev/neuro-api-jippity/issues/17 this one cost me like $3 in token usage over the course of a couple days once on GEMINI 2.0 FLASH which is like the cheapest model ever

[sage crag]

turtel

[elder nymph]

I'm in-progress on rewriting it in Kotlin + Spring. It should be a lot less jank, and it will have more observability features built in. I'll publish it as a docker image so people won't have to install maven+kotlin+god-knows-what-else to run it.

[rigid snow]

what do we think about docker here

[elder nymph]

real. I still don't know why tf it repeatedly calls the same action

[opaque wharf]

Ahhh got it. Then I'll leave that to you. I'm not proficient in kotlin

The name is real lmao. Spring and enterprise 🏛️

[rigid snow]

wait spring, what do you need spring for? web ui?

[opaque wharf]

Probably the websocket stuff and yeah, the web

[rigid snow]

why not choose a small library

you don't need spring for that, right?

overkill methinks

[opaque wharf]

I am not familiar enough with the Java/Kotlin ecosystem to know that tbh

[rigid snow]

https://docs.spring.io/spring-framework/docs/current/javadoc-api/org/springframework/beans/factory/serviceloader/AbstractServiceLoaderBasedFactoryBean.html

[elder nymph]

You're not wrong about it being overkill, but I wanted to try out Spring AI

[tender river]

spring ai

what

[flint dome]

interesting new nickname for me

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

https://spring.io/projects/spring-ai

[sage crag]

awa wa (valid program)

[tender river]

this has been the second biggest revelation to me today

after jpeg ai

[opaque wharf]

chayleaf world shattered twice on the same day

[elder nymph]

idk if you'll be able to handle the sheer enterprise potency

[flint dome]

i would normally make a witty comment but unfortuantely i have not touched anything ai related yet ever since 2021

the last stuff i did was in reinforcement learning

...which reminds me i need to study more stats

fack

[opaque wharf]

I only did CNN I have stopped learning how to make NN tbh

Just how to train and finetune a model

[flint dome]

yeah no i could pick up on that quickly but i want to learn the base theory first

its just using a car without having a basic sense of how the car works

[tender river]

it does NOT belong

remove this immediately

[opaque wharf]

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, that's an apt analogy

[elder nymph]

okay, so it's actually already configurable, I just didn't document how to do it
I just confirmed that I can use Anthropic instead by setting OPENAI_BASE_URL

[rigid snow]

very interesting, how did i not find that in the codebase

[elder nymph]

because it's hidden inside the OpenAI SDK

[rigid snow]

ohhh

[sage crag]

spring

[opaque wharf]

Spring

[brisk laurel]

am i prompting right?

[worldly plank]

You used AI to tell you how to talk to AI?

[opaque wharf]

You should prompt to prompt using promptboard #programming message

[brisk laurel]

yes

buuutt i typed the frst prompt myself

[rigid snow]

prompt to prompt to prompt to modify a prompt

[brisk laurel]

what the hell is this?

[opaque wharf]

So there is this one time a user have sentient keyboard

We just bring that idea to reality

[elder nymph]

docs are updated

[opaque wharf]

A user once come here and tell a story of how his keyboard is always disconnected and randomly connect only to remove some text and then disconnect again. Then an idea pops up. If a keyboard can type into the system but not by keypress, rather from LLM

Introducing, promptboard

[brisk laurel]

so thats promptboard?

[opaque wharf]

Yes

[brisk laurel]

i see

[rigid snow]

"you wish" is funny but you can actually add an example of an openai key, they have a distinct format

[glass flower]

can you just leave the OPENAI_API_KEY empty?

[brisk laurel]

im too poor for that

[opaque wharf]

You can, it's just how you configure the openai compatible server

[opaque wharf]

There are USB touchbar

[brisk laurel]

i know

[rigid snow]

bro

[brisk laurel]

im too poor for that

[rigid snow]

why are you selling them the stupid ass thing

[brisk laurel]

[opaque wharf]

Because the user is prompting AI to make a prompt. So why not do another middle man by promptboard

[rigid snow]

speaking from personal experience it sucks super bad

[opaque wharf]

Technically, you can also use the promptboard without touchbar. You just wouldn't have any idea what you are prompting to your keyboard

[rigid snow]

only thing it's cool at is: split screening this chat with a chat with a friend in a different language, and prompting it to explain/recite what we're doing

that works pretty good

and it always figures out that i'm me because it recognizes my name in the bottom left

and types about what i said in first person

i need more cursed projects

[opaque wharf]

C E A S E

[rigid snow]

no

[flint dome]

then join neurobot

its plenty cursed'

[rigid snow]

elaborate

[flint dome]

@opaque wharf we can always use more labor

[flint dome]

we're making neuro come to life in robot body

problems involve anything from materials science, robotics, embedded, ai, so on and so forth

[rigid snow]

i'm not good with any of that

[flint dome]

you are good with implementing whatever you want to

thats good

[elder nymph]

it took me a few minutes to come up with a suitable example key, but here you go

[opaque wharf]

That project is cursed not from the way it is being done, but due to complexity. Meanwhile we here are implementing something cursed just because we can

[flint dome]

being able to stuff a solution into a problem is good enough for us

[rigid snow]

that was like a random trivia fact, i wasn't actually asking you to add that

[flint dome]

how about cursed that is more cursed than you think it is mr mintcandy

we are hiring: to build literally the unknown

[rigid snow]

i am somewhat ok at construction, i'll build you an office

[flint dome]

@north fractal jp you fucking idiot this is supposed to be your job not mine what are you doing

[flint dome]

nah we dont need that yet you can program cursed stuff thats plenty good

what all do you know

even ideas are good and plenty welcome

[opaque wharf]

So that's why you are using some scrap wood and nails for your camera holder lmao

[flint dome]

a mcgyverist huh

[rigid snow]

NOOO

[flint dome]

you're very much welcome here

it is akin to home for you then

[rigid snow]

i'm outed

[opaque wharf]

[rigid snow]

it's over

[flint dome]

no, no you dont get it

mcgyverism is in our culture here at doohickey corporation neurobot

[rigid snow]

i fear large scopes

[flint dome]

so work on something smaller

something with a smaller scope

we all have tasks divided

i work on embedded and soldering with computed

[rigid snow]

they done banned ookla speedtest in our country, what the fuck

why

[flint dome]

how the helly does that even happen

hi sim i see you lurking

[rigid snow]

living in ru

[flint dome]

damn, hope nothing like that happens again

[rigid snow]

anyway rool 3

cease

[flint dome]

you clearly havent seen how heated it gets in general where mods have to often break it up lol

[rigid snow]

i am more of a nn guy myself

[flint dome]

fair, fair

[opaque wharf]

This is why it's comfy here in #programming

[hard raptor]

How do i remove french language package from linoox again?

[opaque wharf]

rm -fr?

System wide removal require it to be on the / path

[rigid snow]

sudo update-locale LANG=en_US.UTF-8

[flint dome]

sudo rm -fr ./*

(disclaimer dont actually do this lol)

[hard raptor]

You all r wrong

[flint dome]

specify distro for that too then

[hard raptor]

It's sudo rm -fr / --no-preserve-root smh my head

[flint dome]

ah going all the way then

[rigid snow]

what does preserving root have to do with the french language

[flint dome]

i thought you were asking legitimately lol

[hard raptor]

Of course not, lmao

[flint dome]

mb

[north fractal]

What

[flint dome]

im trying to recruit people which is your job man

[raven dock]

I just would like to announce my AI is officially alive.

I just need to clean up the audio

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225083374027407361/1401622899957436416/luna_speech_1754199393_03cf2aae.wav?ex=6890f28c&is=688fa10c&hm=a104e7e39195c6b2a5a01b23ca2840e7ffc9db77fedb4374ce915d651af47845&

I using Python 3.12, Numpy 2.3.2 and Torch 2.9 with Cuda 12.9. 1 Environment, Clean and Modern.

[rigid snow]

ip grabber

[north fractal]

I can't be everywhere at once

[tender river]

probably same reasons as linkedin?

[north fractal]

I only really advertise in general and nn

[flint dome]

man i dont even see you advertising these days

[tender river]

"unlawful data collection"

[flint dome]

then again im halfway across the world from you so

[patent walrus]

useful

[rigid snow]

do they bother with reasons still, i thought we’re past that since youtube

[tender river]

i mean with youtube the reasons are obvious even if they arent published

or rather they are published in the form of thinly veiled threats

"youtube better watch out" "no no you don't get it we didn't slow it down it's their equipment being old and slow"

[rigid snow]

threats as in fining them $20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000?