programming

[tender river]

you can

everyone uses the arch wiki

[solid bough]

No, I use Ubuntu 24.04 LTS

[tender river]

you still can use it...

[noble zodiac]

99% of the arch wiki content is true for all other linux distros

[opaque wharf]

[solid bough]

Idk what you don't understand on: That is a different distro

[tender river]

i do understand that

[rigid snow]

that’s crazy

[noble zodiac]

we do understand

[tender river]

and i'm saying it doesn't matter, you can still use the wiki

[solid bough]

And you know what is crazy? Other distros don't support the stuff that is on arch

[rigid snow]

does ubuntu not ship fdisk

[faint sandal]

archwiki is not distro dependent...

[tender river]

pacman is like the only unique part of arch

everything else is everywhere

[faint sandal]

90% of what's written on archwiki applies to most linux distros

[sage crag]

literally only makepkg and pacman

lol

arch-chroot maybe

[solid bough]

Well, I typed help and no fdisk appeared

[sage crag]

install it then?

[opaque wharf]

LFS with package manager and pre-built repo

[tender river]

help does not list all commands

help simply lists bash builtins

[solid bough]

Weird, I type "help" and no fdisk but it is installed for some reason

[faint sandal]

?? what "help"

[rigid snow]

the command obviously

[opaque wharf]

type help on your shell of choice and press enter

[sage crag]

its a shell builtin

[tender river]

bash has it, zsh doesnt

[faint sandal]

oh is it bash dependent

lmao

[sage crag]

yes, it'sa shell builtin

[opaque wharf]

I used zsh and I didn't even check lmao

[solid bough]

That is what I was saying man, Not... Anyways. I'm focused on finding the disk now

[faint sandal]

https://command-not-found.com/fdisk

just install it lol

[rigid snow]

because it is useless i don’t think anyone here did either

[faint sandal]

it is installed

[noble zodiac]

yea it should be installed by default

[solid bough]

btw:

root@SheepItRender:~# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/sda: 180 GiB, 193273528320 bytes, 377487360 sectors
Disk model: QEMU HARDDISK
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: EA4ABF59-D802-467D-8B53-F851754FDA36

Device Start End Sectors Size Type
/dev/sda1 2099200 377487326 375388127 179G Linux filesystem
/dev/sda14 2048 10239 8192 4M BIOS boot
/dev/sda15 10240 227327 217088 106M EFI System
/dev/sda16 227328 2097152 1869825 913M Linux extended boot

[faint sandal]

that's the same disk as the one in the image

it is initialized otherwise you wouldn't be looking at it right now

[noble zodiac]

what is ubuntu doing that you end up with sda16 lol

[faint sandal]

or in the system for that matter

[astral raven]

Love the Linux

[sage crag]

its a kvm machine

[solid bough]

But WHY is it called "raw" there?

[sage crag]

probably because its a kvm machine

[opaque wharf]

Not formatted

[sage crag]

it runs in qemu

[astral raven]

Is that Vultr

[faint sandal]

i don't know what the context of this image is

[solid bough]

Nothing?

[sage crag]

chat

[astral raven]

The UI looks familiar

[sage crag]

its literally just a vps

[faint sandal]

yeah but what are they trying to do

[astral raven]

Oh it is

[faint sandal]

what is this

[opaque wharf]

Oh yeah it is

[solid bough]

How do I format it that it doesn't say raw and that I use the disk?

[opaque wharf]

QEMU HARDDISK

[sage crag]

its a raw disk because its a virtual container spun up on a server

[solid bough]

Uh.... No?

[astral raven]

I have experience about hosting game server on VPS like Vultr

[opaque wharf]

The program that you use just doesn't understand the format

[sage crag]

you dont need to

[rigid snow]

classic

[astral raven]

and hardening it

[sage crag]

you are using it

[faint sandal]

why do you think you need to do anything

you are in the system; it is an initialized disk

what is going on here

[solid bough]

But I have been running a client there yet the disk has not been accessed.

[solid bough]

No?

[sage crag]

you are literally using it

[faint sandal]

wdym no you JUST showed the fdisk output

????????????

[rigid snow]

i have recompiled qemu before to change these strings and serials, for no particular purpose iykyk

[solid bough]

No, Because if the disk is being used, The "Disk Usage" would have gone up

And none has happened since start

[sage crag]

perhaps the disk usage report simply doesnt work

[rough bloom]

"raw" in this case probably just refers to the format it's passed to qemu as
it will never change from "raw" to anything else no matter what data you store on it

[faint sandal]

yeah

it just means it's a raw mounted image

[sage crag]

a disk image

as is used in kvm

[solid bough]

I really don't wanna talk to the owner

[sage crag]

because its a kvm vps

[solid bough]

Of the service

[solid bough]

Well, I wonder how long my CPU render client is gonna run there

[faint sandal]

it's more likely that the service cannot read the partition tables so it cannot properly tell you how much storage is being used

[solid bough]

But jokes aside, there should be at least 5GB of Disk usage by now

[rough bloom]

then don't
given that your disk very clearly contains data it doesn't seem to impact the function of your VM

[solid bough]

Why are you possessed?

[sage crag]

why arent you

[solid bough]

I'm just frustrated that I have no GUI ngl

[sage crag]

is a vps

[faint sandal]

just df -H it's not that difficult to check...

[sage crag]

you will have no gui

[rigid snow]

not if you run a de with a vnc server

[solid bough]

I paid 30€ for no gui

[faint sandal]

yeah???

that's what a kvm vps is????

they're headless unless specified

[solid bough]

If I wanted Java preinstalled, I would have to pay 2€

[astral raven]

CLI is better for minimal experience

You need to get used to it if you plan to host servers

[rough bloom]

yeah, it's the default for a reason
basically nobody runs Linux servers with a DE set up

[solid bough]

The only reason I got the server was for the render client

[astral raven]

and it does not take too much resources

[faint sandal]

especially if you want a render farm

no one running a render farm would want the DE up

[opaque wharf]

I am out of this shenanigans

[faint sandal]

which i guessed based on sheepit

[rigid snow]

i’d like to have a chat with a person who does

[faint sandal]

my head hurts from this conversation

[solid bough]

Yeah, it is just a Blender load ngl

but coordinated with a Java app

[rigid snow]

i hope it’s not cycles

[tender river]

awa

[solid bough]

It's not gonna be EEVEE

So most likely Cycles

[rigid snow]

on cpu?????????

[noble zodiac]

give it a bit and you will have an llm chat interface to control your server with instead of a gui

[solid bough]

Yeah

There is no GPU

[faint sandal]

[solid bough]

What? that is normal. I run like 3 CPU sessions in total and 2 GPU sessions

[noble zodiac]

[olive sable]

Yes

We play modded

[solid bough]

What?

What did I do wrong now?

[rough bloom]

at work there have been requests from alleged "professionals" to have a Linux server with a DE set up because they couldn't work with it otherwise
I don't think that was ever granted though

[solid bough]

All I do is just run Blender on CPU alone.

[rigid snow]

i mean i had to render on cpu once because i ran out of vram

and i needed the render done

[solid bough]

Why was that surprising?

[rigid snow]

but like

why would you willingly run cycles on cpu

shit makes no sense

[solid bough]

Because the server has no GPU

[rigid snow]

why not get one that does

[solid bough]

That hoster is literally the only one I know that accepts that one payment method

[opaque wharf]

If it is accepted, talk to whoever accepted it

[hard raptor]

alr let's sudo dnf remove emacs

[opaque wharf]

"talk"

[noble zodiac]

ppl requesting gui server becomes increasingly more common

it do be what it do be

[opaque wharf]

The sad thing is, it is also common in robotic

For the embedded computer to have GUI installed

[hard raptor]

Whut?!

[solid bough]

Okay, shouldn't linux be easy?

[opaque wharf]

The advancement in computing power is not worth it if the compute is not used efficiently

[hard raptor]

At least do like a rest api server and have the frontend on your main machine

[rigid snow]

or, if you went that far, throw a index.html with an SPA in there too

tada you got yourself a web config ui

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/terminaldotshop/status/1950934602044014803

terminal (@terminaldotshop)

The PewDiePie effect is introducing new issues to the Linux community

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FxTwitter · Jul 31, 2025, 3:00 PM

[hard raptor]

It is as easy or difficult as you make it to be... unfortunately it is really easy to make it difficult

[hard raptor]

[opaque wharf]

Windows server sales must be booming huh...

[solid bough]

Okay, I thought there is a built in terminal on the page

[astral raven]

what is even this

[hard raptor]

Let's just..
echo "shutdown now" >> ~/.bashrc (please don't)

[solid bough]

Sure

[rough bloom]

not real

I wanted to see the thread

[opaque wharf]

Ez, just login as root next time 😎

[faint sandal]

the 4269 was a giveaway

[solid bough]

I am logged in as root

[rigid snow]

of course you are

[rough bloom]

yeah, though they could've made a real issue at that id on purpose
archinstall is already at #3700 so they're not that far off

[faint sandal]

in other news more behavioral changes for AP https://fxtwitter.com/AzakaSekai_/status/1950930851878891903

【2.0 DEBUT | 08.02】安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)

This appears to be fixed on the latest Canary (27913.1000). OpenProcess works again now.

Quoting 【2.0 DEBUT | 08.02】安坂星海 Azaka || VTuber (@AzakaSekai_)
︀
OpenProcess fails entirely when attempting to open a process running on the standard account now

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FxTwitter · Jul 31, 2025, 2:45 PM

I genuinely could not tell if that was a bug or a feature for the first release on insider beta

[solid bough]

Anyways, I asked on the server of the hoster.

Now I just wait

[warped narwhal]

just put nohup before the command, that's all you need

[faint sandal]

because I kinda liked the idea that a privileged process suddenly can't just open processes of least privileged account - even though it makes no sense

[solid bough]

that it what I did, but now I would need to restart the client:

So I don't know how to even stop that client

[warped narwhal]

nohup returns a process id

you can use that to pkill it

[faint sandal]

you can even just ps grep search for it

though ideally you should just use screen or tmux so you can gracefully send a Ctrl+c signal

[solid bough]

Wait, there is a nohup.out

[faint sandal]

ye that's where the process's stdout is written to when you use nohup

[solid bough]

I thought the process ID

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/__femb0t/status/1950951193544732786

\newcommand{\femb0t}{ (@__femb0t)

New developments in date selection UI technology

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FxTwitter · Jul 31, 2025, 4:06 PM

I love joctober

[warped narwhal]

you can run the program and store the process id by doing nohup command & $! > process_id.txt

[rough bloom]

is this a repost
I have seen this before

[warped narwhal]

then just cat process_id.txt | pkill to kill it

[faint sandal]

someone probably stole it from programmer UI battle reddit or smth

[solid bough]

True. brb, going Blender hunting

[faint sandal]

I forgot what the sub is called

[warped narwhal]

bad ui battles or something like that?

[stark needle]

WHAT

[faint sandal]

yea

[solid bough]

The OG singer

[faint sandal]

Asus tax

[stark needle]

omg it mgiu!!!1!11!

109 bucks for the keyboard

not too terrible

[opaque wharf]

Are you a part of the jult?

[faint sandal]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echoborg

[opaque wharf]

Maybe from the other server

[faint sandal]

are we at this age of humanity now

that we now have a word to describe this type of people

[opaque wharf]

Specifically, the mental asylum channel on that server

[rough bloom]

OP located
though I definitely saw it somewhere else
https://shitpost.trade/@xyla/114851268799965721

[faint sandal]

@gork is this true?

[solid bough]

I successfully took down the server, I repeat, I stopped the client

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/contextdogs/status/1950932540761464882

out of context dogs (@contextdogs)

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FxTwitter · Jul 31, 2025, 2:52 PM

I'm concerned about that tail

[solid bough]

How did the PC ingest the dog?

[tender river]

it was hungry dont judge

[small anvil]

new dog (ignore my pc)

[faint sandal]

new pc (ignore my dog)

[sage crag]

new ignore, pc my dog

[small anvil]

ignore dog (new my pc)

[warped narwhal]

dog pc (my ignore new)

[faint sandal]

my pc (ignore new dog)

[small anvil]

pc dog (ignore new my)

[solid bough]

My new RAM, Ignore the PC

It is on right now

[nocturne olive]

I can't see the RAM, the PC is in the way

[solid bough]

My bad, There, is the PC still on?

oooo, fancy lights, I don't have that stuff

[nocturne olive]

What's the speed ratings on those?

[solid bough]

Max 3600MT/s with... Hang on

[solid bough]

3600MT/s with the timings being 18 22 22 42 64 990 with a command rate of 2

[nocturne olive]

How silly

[solid bough]

At a ram voltage of only 1.36V

[solid bough]

Why?

[nocturne olive]

My RAM is rated for 3200 MT/s but I have it overclocked to 3800 MT/s with currently linear timings, but I could get them 1 lower if I rebooted, the only reason I set them higher was because I thought it was causing Windows to break but it was just a classic Windows moment

[solid bough]

I just used the XMP profile

[nocturne olive]

4000 is unfortunately unstable though

[nocturne olive]

That's what I did for a while, until I decided 3200 is not sufficient

[solid bough]

I think my Intel CPU can't benefit from a higher speed.

I am stuck on DDR4 though

I would need an adapter to use DDR5

[nocturne olive]

False

You would need a new motherboard

Depending on your CPU you would also need a new one of those

[solid bough]

I mean without getting a expensive Motherboard

[nocturne olive]

DDR5 can't be used in a DDR4 slot

Not even with an adapter

[solid bough]

It can with an adapter

[nocturne olive]

False

It's inherently incompatible

[solid bough]

why?

[nocturne olive]

DDR4 has voltage provided from the motherboard, but DDR5 has power regulators on the RAM, that's a thing for example
DDR5 also needs a different kind of memory controller on the CPU like all other DDR versions

[warped narwhal]

the protocol is entierly different, a ddr4 memory controller simply does not know how to talk to ddr5, nevermind the power being moved onto the dimms themselves.

[nocturne olive]

You can't just use an adapter to run DDR5 in a DDR4 slot, if DDR5 was compatible with DDR4, they would just be pin-compatible

[solid bough]

Nothing some translation layer can fix

[nocturne olive]

Latency though, and speed

[solid bough]

But It's then DDR5

[nocturne olive]

A translation layer would not work

[faint sandal]

yes let me just pop a translation layer on a timing critical component

dawg

[opaque sigil]

[solid bough]

Yeah

[faint sandal]

are you hearing yourself rn

[nocturne olive]

DDR5 has extremely precise timings, you can't just throw a thing in between it and the CPU and expect it to work

[opaque sigil]

hey, at least swap won't be slower now

[sage crag]

ddr5 already has a higher CAS latency than ddr4, dont make it worse

[solid bough]

I just see soem potential

[warped narwhal]

then why don't we just make a translation layer that allows us to plug an am4 cpu into an intel socket?

[sage crag]

when are we getting nvme-to-ddr4 adapter

[nocturne olive]

Kinda true

[solid bough]

Sure

[warped narwhal]

to be fair though.... wtf is that res?

[faint sandal]

400x1280

[warped narwhal]

that poor raspberry pi

[solid bough]

well, that would be doable

[opaque sigil]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compute_Express_Link

[rigid snow]

i love this syntax so much

// if a function throws you have to
try functionThatThrows()
// but then your function has to throw too. so alternatively,
try? functionThatThrows()
// to make the value nil if it throws pog
// or just
try! functionThatThrows()
// to panic (fatal error in swift xd)

try!

[sage crag]

opaque syntax

[opaque sigil]

try?!

[sage crag]

i hate try catch

all of this could be easily done with error values

[solid bough]

While True:
    FunctionNameHere()```

[opaque sigil]

isn't this basically the same, just instead of returning errors you throw them

[sage crag]

🎤

[warped narwhal]

capitalised keywords

[sage crag]

only one keyword

[solid bough]

More like "You yeet the errors"

[nocturne olive]

Why DDR5 can't be used with DDR4 slots:

• timings, adding a thing in between adds a significant amount of components in between the CPU and memory, which makes it impossible to run tight timings without something going wrong
• latency, having more stuff between the RAM and CPU adds latency to transfers, making things slow down
• speed, you can't expect memory that barely even runs at its rated speeds when directly inserted into the motherboard to do so with random components in between
• power delivery, DDR4 and DDR5 deal with power delivery differently

[faint sandal]

WhILe(1) is valid for a certain language

[solid bough]

That is all not a problem. That is just a skill issue if someone would have an issue with the adapter

[nocturne olive]

No?? It's electrical limitations

[opaque sigil]

you absolutely could make a ddr5 -> ddr4 adapter, there's just not a single reason why you would want to

[rigid snow]

[solid bough]

Sure, Timings would be all over the place, but it can be figured out.

[nocturne olive]

With PC components the speed of electricity starts to become a factor

[sage crag]

battery powered adapter

oops my ram ran out of battery

guess pc will hang

[opaque sigil]

[nocturne olive]

The timings would absolutely suck, it would be worse than DDR4

If it would work at all

[solid bough]

Yup and potentially also needing translation

[solid bough]

That is a feature, not a problem

[rigid snow]

wtf are yall on about why are we adapting ddr5 to ddr4

[nocturne olive]

Even thinking about a DDR5 to DDR4 adapter seems dumb, it's not even remotely sensible

[sage crag]

am4 motherboards ram sockets wont support ddr5 speeds even if you could just plug one in

[tender river]

until you have an iterator and suddenly you have to create completely separate code for working with fallible functions

[faint sandal]

idk the conversations in the last hour have been wack

[sage crag]

awa

[nocturne olive]

And the memory controller too, that wouldn't support it either

It would just be a hacky solution to get worse RAM

[solid bough]

Having a higher RAM Capacity

[rigid snow]

??

[sage crag]

capacity????

[nocturne olive]

Uhh, what???

[solid bough]

But more RAM potentially

[faint sandal]

[sage crag]

ddr5 sticks are so much worse for getting more ram than ddr4

[opaque sigil]

[sage crag]

ddr4 is cheap like dirt compared to ddr5

[nocturne olive]

DDR4 slots can only take as much RAM as DDR4 capacities allow

[nocturne olive]

True that too

[rigid snow]

adapt a hard drive to ddr4 mhm

[noble zodiac]

awa

[nocturne olive]

If you need more RAM that badly just use your hard drive as RAM, I could have 29TB of RAM if I really wanted to

[faint sandal]

apparently that was 250 euro

[solid bough]

Sure… I totally didn’t pay like 140€ roughly for 64GB

[nocturne olive]

For how much?

[rigid snow]

3.8cm 1kg i know tungsten is dense but like that's crazy

[solid bough]

I forgot for a bit

[nocturne olive]

DDR5 would be double that for the same capacity I believe

[sage crag]

cons of using ddr5 translator:

• bad latency
• expensive
• external power
• capped to ddr4 frequencies
• slow
• potentially error prone
• take up lots of space

pros of using ddr5 translator:

• can torture some spare ddr5 sticks that you have (how do you have spare ddr5 if you dont even have an am5 motherboard)
• 5 > 4 so it must be better

[nocturne olive]

Not at all worth it considering the worse speeds an adapter would give

[solid bough]

But DDR4 is going up in price

[sage crag]

ram has always been expensive

[solid bough]

So an adapter would be a good solution for the future

[nocturne olive]

No

[sage crag]

genuinely the only advantage would be "torture my spare ddr5"

[rough bloom]

which future system is going to have DDR4

[rigid snow]

mine :)

[dull ether]

Hi is this the average programming channel convo?

[sage crag]

am6 moves back to ddr4, world sets on fire

[sage crag]

no

[nocturne olive]

At the point DDR5 is cheaper than DDR4, just get a DDR5 board

[solid bough]

If someone doesn’t have ddr4 ram but ddr5

[faint sandal]

it didn't occur to me how small 3.8cm is until you said it

[faint sandal]

wow I want to hold one now

[sage crag]

get a ddr5 board anyway because modern cpus dont support ddr4 boards??

[nocturne olive]

True that too

[olive sable]

time to vulkan again

[nocturne olive]

Basically, a DDR5 to DDR4 adapter is pointless, there's no reason to have one

[solid bough]

I’m pretty sure my CPU can use ddr5 with a bios update

[sage crag]

[nocturne olive]

Well, you would need a DDR5 board for that

[rigid snow]

iuewrhgviwj

[nocturne olive]

A BIOS update won't magically make the slots different

[solid bough]

But an adapter was meant

[sage crag]

am4 cpu -> am4 socket -> ddr4

[nocturne olive]

NO

[olive sable]

adapter?

[rigid snow]

i fucking cannot

[faint sandal]

can we move on from this nonsensical conversation already

[dull ether]

Just replace your old parts like everyone else

[faint sandal]

I'm going insane

[nocturne olive]

DDR5 in a DDR4 board is POINTLESS

[olive sable]

you cant adapt somethign that is intherently incompatible

[sage crag]

we can get you an adapter to make the conversation normal

[faint sandal]

[solid bough]

Sure, meanwhile, I’m gonna handle a little bit because my DDR4 is not really running quite right

[rough bloom]

I will move on
into bed
goodnight chat

[rigid snow]

fuck i wish i had the llm keyboard working i would've asked it to essay

[faint sandal]

I have been in bed I can't sleep it's 4:44am

[solid bough]

Sleep well

[solid bough]

But it’s 22:45

[faint sandal]

the echoborg keyboard

[rigid snow]

seems like such an appropriate time

[tender river]

its 3:45 but i woke up at 22

[sage crag]

its 21:45 but i woke up at 19

[solid bough]

Damn, why waking up so late?

[tender river]

it's early

i could've slept for 3 more hours and still make it in time for eliv stream

[solid bough]

You woke up at 22:00, right?

[tender river]

yes

[solid bough]

That’s after the day time

[tender river]

[olive sable]

you what?

[nocturne olive]

Too bad wasn't here, if would have been here for the DDR5 to DDR4 adapter stupidity he would have given some really thorough explanation of exactly why it's stupid

[solid bough]

I don’t know why people sleep through the day

[olive sable]

dont descriminate against vampires

a disproportionally large percentage of programmers are vampires

[opaque sigil]

more like crash out

[solid bough]

So if I’m right, you’re calling me a vampire?

[nocturne olive]

Potentially

[sage crag]

yes, he would just explode

lol

[olive sable]

not necessarily.
are you alergic to garlic and stakes?

[solid bough]

I don’t have an allergy to garlic or meat

[rigid snow]

i like stakes with garlic

meat

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

stakes as in the wood object you use to impale people

or vampirres rather

[solid bough]

Oh, that would delete a normal person also

[rigid snow]

not necessarily impale people but in this context yes

rather never impale people i hope

[solid bough]

I like the right one

[dull ether]

I hope the stakes are open source

[rigid snow]

the source is the forest near here

it's very open

[olive sable]

ah yes, youtube music autoplay. thank you for whatever this is
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=qnL40CbuodU&list=RDAMVM9_LGgyhzau0

[solid bough]

I'm back on the PC now, My PC just froze

[rigid snow]

holy shit jerobeam fenderson

[sage crag]

that's not a real name

[rigid snow]

that's a name i haven't heard in YEEARS

[solid bough]

Same

[dull ether]

Fenderson benderson

[solid bough]

Should I make an 6502 based PC?

[rigid snow]

what next, will you tell me that santa's not real?

[sage crag]

santa's real

[olive sable]

konii also says dutch is not real

konii very quicly goes into denial

[sage crag]

where do you think i came from

dutch isnt real

fake

[rigid snow]

jerobeam fenderson is real to me

[olive sable]

konii just cant handle reality

[solid bough]

But you are real

[sage crag]

sometimes

[solid bough]

Not some times. You're always real (A human)

[rigid snow]

konii is a real one

[tender river]

yippie successfully ran my code in osu!, had to add an empty ruleset that doesnt implement anything

[sage crag]

evidence?

[solid bough]

Some art

[olive sable]

if i was a 480p 1hz vga television i would also be in denial ngl

[rigid snow]

it's oscilloscope animation that sounds like music

[olive sable]

[solid bough]

Error 404: A request of the Database gave NULL

[tender river]

too bad the lazer modding capabilities won't at all be useful in this case

i just use it as an entry point

[sage crag]

osu!_start

[nocturne olive]

Whuh

[astral raven]

I love HTTP code 410 gone

[solid bough]

Error 404: File not Found

[rigid snow]

guys plis help??

[tender river]

no need for _start if you bypass the linker entirely

[opaque wharf]

I leave this server for a bit and it seems like things are on fire huh

[tender river]

just point this wherever you want

[sage crag]

can that be included in the object file

might be useful for portability

[tender river]

actually i wonder what elf type .o files are

[solid bough]

lmao, I wanted to change the file "hosts" and just to be sure checked if the adress is used already, and it is

[tender river]

it's REL, probably same as passing -fPIE

wait no -fPIE is DYN

REL is for libraries

right so the object file has the entry point set to 0 but exposes a _start symbol

when linking the executable the linker detects that symbol and sets the entry point

this probably makes more sense than picking the first nonzero entry point out of all objects

no i was right the first time, DYN is shared objects and REL is not

oh

DYN is both shared objects and PIEs

[sage crag]

elf elf elf

[olive sable]

you know what would be cooler than init()?

genesis()

[sage crag]

too many letters

next

[olive sable]

it gets style points

[tender river]

init has the same amount of letters as fini, init wins

[faint sandal]

innit

[olive sable]

i guess gen for short

[sage crag]

bwanyanya

[olive sable]

i never said it was better

i said it was cooler

[opaque wharf]

int()

[faint sandal]

I

[opaque wharf]

int int() { /* Hopefully not explode */ }

[olive sable]

and i fully believe genesis() is cooler than init()

[faint sandal]

bigbang()

[olive sable]

sure

[sage crag]

while you are entitled to your beliefs, you are in fact the bad bracket man

and thus your opinion on code styling will be discarded

awa

[opaque wharf]

[olive sable]

you're a fucking television tho

you cant say shit

you dont have a mouth

[sage crag]

int main() {
  exit(0)
}

int main()
{ exit(0)
}

[olive sable]

ew

mo

[tender river]

__attribute__((constructor)) void init() {
    exit(1);
}```

[olive sable]

this is the absolute worst of both worlds

never type this again

[tender river]

its better than a separate line for every bracket

[sage crag]

this is what i see whenever i read your functions

[olive sable]

the code itself needs to be on a newline too

[solid bough]

I got an update about the server

It is not my fault

it jsut doesn't work

[sage crag]

ban

enum Source<'a>
  { STDIN
  , FILE (&'a String)
  }

[olive sable]

i do it like this. there is a difference

[tender river]

bad

[opaque sigil]

can i have the gnu style over this

[opaque wharf]

I miss the sausage style

[solid bough]

hmmmm....

[opaque wharf]

I wonder where is that person now

The sausage code man

[olive sable]

everything is better than this halfhearted mixed style

this is not allman, this is halfman

[tender river]

yours is worse

[olive sable]

dont care

[opaque wharf]

And I also wonder, does his fishies doin alright

[solid bough]

was that supposed to happen?

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

you can have hbl style

Source := struct { 
  .tag: enum {.stdin; .file};
  .val: union {.stdin: void; .file: String};
}

[opaque wharf]

What is?

Everything seems to be normal

[opaque sigil]

i'll take it

[solid bough]

Yeah, but look on the... URL?

[opaque sigil]

there's nothing stopping you from changing the ip that discord.com points to

not that you realistically have a reason to

[opaque wharf]

Well, URL can always be pointed to different IP using some DNS shenanigans

[solid bough]

You know windows, Right?

[opaque wharf]

I know

[solid bough]

Yeah, I went in the hosts file...

but that is some 1th april material

[opaque wharf]

That's just how resolver works. If the resolver is using a cache and you change something, then you should probably clear the cache

[solid bough]

Wait is The "hosts" file a cache?

[sage crag]

[faint sandal]

what if I tell you hosts file exists on Linux too

[opaque wharf]

Sausage

Source := struct {.tag: enum {.stdin; .file};.val: union {.stdin: void; .file: String};}

[solid bough]

They would not dare to copy something of Windows.

[sage crag]

incorrrect code style

[opaque wharf]

But the sausage

[sage crag]

its not a copy, its just how it was designed

[sage crag]

not that it does much

[solid bough]

But Windows did it first...

[sage crag]

[faint sandal]

neither does the windows one out of the box

[solid bough]

But Windows peaked on Windows 7 Home Premium...

[sage crag]

Source := struct {.tag: enum {.stdin; .file}; .val: union {.stdin: void; .file: String}}
i fixed it.

[opaque wharf]

So just the space and last semicolon

[sage crag]

the convention of /etc/hosts comes from the days of unix

its older than windows or linux

[opaque wharf]

Even windows hosts file is located on /etc

[sage crag]

System32\drivers\etc\hosts

very funny

[solid bough]

But Windows actually was a popular OS that also used that

[sage crag]

what is your point

[faint sandal]

???

[tender river]

the hosts file literally predates dns

its by no means a windows thing

[faint sandal]

I don't think they have one

[sage crag]

by like 13 years even

lol

[solid bough]

You are correct, I'm just ♫Different♪

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

i have done the command buffers

just need the: frames in flight, vertex buffers, index buffers, uniform handling, texture mapping, depth buffer, and multisampling

[solid bough]

Well, there is a corse sine wave: │ ▄▀▀▄ │█ █ ├──────█──────█ │ █ █ │ ▀▄▄▀

[nocturne olive]

Vulkan be Vulkan

[sage crag]

its not sin(x) because its not defined for x = 0

awa

[solid bough]

Yeah, Is cos then that it starts from the top with that sine wave like that?

[sage crag]

no, its just a sinusoidal wave

not sin or cos

[solid bough]

True

[rigid snow]

why do you think dns was invented

[solid bough]

Because before that some people had to know the IP I think

[rigid snow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#History

[olive sable]

here you go

[faint sandal]

I can't even read that on mobile

[sage crag]

you think its readable on pc?

i beg to differ

[faint sandal]

at least you can zoom in infinitely

[rigid snow]

because maintaining a hosts file and mailing out updates had become a nightmare

[solid bough]

Well, I can try a circle: ▄▄▀▀│▀▀▄▄ █ │ █ ─────┼───── █ │ █ ▀▀▄▄│▄▄▀▀

[sage crag]

that's a cube

[faint sandal]

that's a squircle

[solid bough]

Well, I'm limited on text and resolution.

[rigid snow]

that is characters

[opaque wharf]

You only write that for the meme right?

RIGHT?!

[solid bough]

True

[dull ether]

I enjoy the pained reactions of programmers looking at bad code even though I do not code, myself

[olive sable]

[solid bough]

Well, I once got an issue on my GH that I should use tags

[opaque wharf]

if (vkCreateSemaphore(device, &semaphoreInfo, nullptr, &imageAvailableSemaphore) != VK_SUCCESS ||
// ...
)
{
// ...
}

[olive sable]

come on

you know how i like my brackets

spread

[opaque wharf]

The bracket is spread tho

Not the parentheses

[olive sable]

parentheses are brackets

i dont care what you say

[sage crag]

its a venn diagram

[opaque wharf]

This is a whole other level of blasphemy

[sage crag]

not all parenthesis are brackets and not all brackets are parenthesis

awa

[solid bough]

Error at line 1: if (vkCreateSemaphore(device, &semaphoreInfo, nullptr, &imageAvailableSemaphore) != VK_SUCCESS || ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/FR3NKD/status/1951019346995847397

FR3NKD (@FR3NKD)

Wait a second, isn't that Godot??
︀︀Are they using Godot Engine as a map editor for Battlefield 6?
︀︀
︀︀What's going on?!?

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[opaque wharf]

Because the ... implies you should continue the other stuff there

[opaque wharf]

Parentheses, Curly bracket, square bracket and angle bracket

[olive sable]

parenthesis is a shit word tho

[solid bough]

The nullptr was the error point, there is no variable named "nullptr"

[wide flicker]

angle bracket excuse you those are greater than less than symbols :')

[opaque wharf]

nullptr is not a variable

[olive sable]

or is it?

[opaque sigil]

it's not

[olive sable]

nah its a pointer

im joking

[solid bough]

That is what I'm saying, There is no variable Named that way

[opaque wharf]

Because in cpp, you cannot name a variable nullptr

[olive sable]

in python you could im pretty sure

[rigid snow]

it’s readable on my touch bar

[opaque wharf]

You are enjoying this too much lmao

[olive sable]

that time apple added a random lcd strip on their laptops for no reason and promptly forgot about it

[rigid snow]

it's oled not lcd

[olive sable]

dont care

instead of liquid crystel is organicly decomposing

[solid bough]

Hmmm?

Why did you swap the Z and Y?

it was probably painful to do

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

And here I am clowning around by flipping my monitor to take a picture only for you to delete the image

[tender river]

qwerty is the standard layout

[olive sable]

you're the one with the diffrent layout here

[tender river]

qwertz is a layout only a few countries use

[solid bough]

I disagree, qwertz is default

[tender river]

well, the world disagrees with you

[olive sable]

if you want to beg to differ, then start begging

[solid bough]

Knock, Knock, Hello it's Germany.

[sage crag]

and continue begging until most of the world switches to qwertz

[sage crag]

germany is 1 country

[opaque sigil]

moving from qwertz to qwerty was the best decision i've ever made

[sage crag]

because you can do zxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzxzx

[solid bough]

Yup, that is plenty to beg to differe that QWERTZ is superior ngl

[opaque wharf]

I won't fall for it twice

[olive sable]

moving from azerty to qwerty was the best decision i've ever made

[sage crag]

what

no it's not

[sick owl]

Actually useful windows feature just dropped (in snipping tool)

[tender river]

moving from ansi/iso to jis was a decision i've ever made

[solid bough]

Yes, it is?

[rigid snow]

:AINTNOWAY:

[faint sandal]

I'm 60% convinced this person has been baiting for the last 2 hours

[sage crag]

germany uses qwertz, so qwertz must be superior is a crazy leap in logic

[sick owl]

Just got my early beta code

[opaque sigil]

what does this do

[opaque wharf]

Quick redact

Duh

[opaque sigil]

[faint sandal]

Quick redact

[solid bough]

Well, I can't help but notice that Germany makes better cars too

[sage crag]

this chatter

[olive sable]

this map should be more red

[sick owl]

Redact (quickly)

[solid bough]

NaH, More green

[tender river]

йцукен is just the russian layout we use qwerty like normal people for english

[opaque wharf]

Whoever made that map needs to be shot

[faint sandal]

I think it's qwerty for the majority of Asia too

[olive sable]

no not really, red by far outdoes green here. besides the russian keyboard style

[faint sandal]

JP is vaguely different but it's largely the same

[tender river]

oh right you're colorblind

[sage crag]

kde's Spectacle already has this feature and more btw

awa

[tender river]

qwerty is orange, red is national layout

[faint sandal]

does it

[tender river]

i don't blame you it's a pretty reddish orange though

[opaque wharf]

Maybe this is automatic

[faint sandal]

because I still just use red rectangles with spectacle

[tender river]

it's probably the better idea anyway if you want security

[sage crag]

you can pixelate or blur in spectacle

[solid bough]

I mean there should be more qwertz green

[opaque wharf]

It does have blur

[faint sandal]

it is but still

[solid bough]

mmmmm no

[opaque wharf]

But for better privacy, opaque box is better

[dull ether]

they've gone too far with censorship

[faint sandal]

https://fxtwitter.com/resurrectionn_/status/1950732124258254956

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[olive sable]

italy and romania alone are already more in surface area then qwertz

[opaque wharf]

That map uses orange and red for different data point

[sage crag]

real

[opaque wharf]

Different data point should not use a closely matching color

[solid bough]

I see no issue ngl

[opaque wharf]

I don't care if it looks ugly, it needs to be legible

[rigid snow]

- oh bulgaria uses cyrillic, and they don't use йцукен? i wonder what they use
- "transliterated qwerty is also used" o-oh...

[solid bough]

Why are they using qwerty?

[olive sable]

cuz its better

[faint sandal]

#programming has run out of things to be outraged about so they're now debating over a map

[solid bough]

Sure, and what is better?

[opaque sigil]

i don't have to hurt my wrist to type [] and {}

[solid bough]

No, we are debating what is better, and it is qwertz

[opaque wharf]

We can rage just about anything here

[tender river]

when i was in bulgaria for a programming olympiad i had to use a bulgarian computer obviously and the layout was so funny to me

[solid bough]

You don't? [data_here] {InfoHere}

[opaque wharf]

Dang, you guys sure have some interesting olympiad

[opaque sigil]

okay but it is objectively more effort on qwertz

[opaque wharf]

We don't have such things here

[olive sable]

to be completely honest the only reason qwerty is better is cuz its the standart. wasd became a thing for movement in games cuz of qwerty.

besides that it really doesnt matter

[south needle]

i use noted its the best:

[solid bough]

That is small fry effort

[rigid snow]

how did no one bring up dvorak still

[solid bough]

Are you okay?

[faint sandal]

the best movement keys are 2468

[opaque sigil]

not when you type them every day all day

[tender river]

https://osn.toki.id/OSN2024/open

[opaque wharf]

Because it is best to be left alone

[tender river]

just a random one i've found

[solid bough]

Anyways, qwertz ftw

[olive sable]

i dont like having to move 2 whole keys for going from up to down, id rather have 4568 ngl

[opaque sigil]

i personally use us-intl to get the best of both worlds, since I (unfortunately) still need to type things in german every now and then

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but it's not open for every high school. Only vocational high school

OH WAIT

[olive sable]

dutch doesnt have too many incompatible words, but sometimes you need those 2 dots above a letter and then i have to rely on copy pasting it or autocomplete

[opaque wharf]

IT IS OPEN

[solid bough]

[opaque wharf]

WTF DID MY SCHOOL DO THEN

[rigid snow]

the best movement keys are obviously KHJL

[tender river]

have i told people in here how when i went to uni i've used a python script for getting my schedule because the site was annoying to use

and then the uni site added fucking drm to the schedule

so i've had to crack their encryption

because the alternative was botting recaptcha

[rigid snow]

that's what everyone did in mine too until they updated the actual portal

drm for schedule is fucking insane, ours is a public api

[solid bough]

Am I supposed to be able to load the Microcenter website?

[opaque wharf]

On my uni days, we need to fill out questionnaire to get our score

But the questionnaire is not really used anyway

[solid bough]

Ah, that is a High end Monitor:

[opaque wharf]

So we did the logical thing and just script it out

It was like, 80+ question too

Mostly about the satisfaction of the staff, lecturer, and infrastructure

[tender river]

mhm

modding works

thats enough for today, gonna work on the actual integration some other day

[opaque wharf]

You don't put it at #1336777692070023271 ?

[tender river]

not yet

[solid bough]

Wait What?

So wait a second, You code stuff that Neuro might use?

[tender river]

anyone can do that

https://github.com/VedalAI/neuro-game-sdk/

[solid bough]

That's neat ngl

oooh, that neuro can play the game I guess

That is my best guess ngl

[sage crag]

any ideas for next phone to get

im thinking of "upgrading"

looking at nothing cmf phone 1 and 2 right now

[opaque wharf]

What are you expecting from your phone?

[solid bough]

I personally would take a Android based phone.

[rigid snow]

the iphone 4

[solid bough]

that's hella old ngl

[rigid snow]

4>2

[opaque wharf]

If you just wanted a phone to call and text, then I guess just get a dumb phone

[tender river]

i pick phone almost purely based on cfw availability

[sage crag]

my equirements are

• =120hz display

• long battery life
• good camera
• easy to flash

[solid bough]

Did you look when the iPhone 4 released?

[opaque wharf]

Okay, but flash it to what?

Stock AOSP?

[rigid snow]

i was at the store touching it

[sage crag]

cfw, mostly stock android, linux if possible

[solid bough]

So when was it released?

[rigid snow]

tomorrow

[tender river]

you're not gonna get camera on any linux phone besides pinephone

[solid bough]

Nope

[sage crag]

yeah...

that's the problem

[rigid snow]

get a usb webcam

[tender river]

as i mentioned Xiaomi POCO X3 NFC is the only 120hz linux phone

[solid bough]

24.06.2010

[sage crag]

i miss how android 5 looks

the old material design was so good

[rigid snow]

dude i know do you think i actually believe it's going to release tomorrow

[opaque wharf]

MD 1?

[nocturne olive]

Are you porting Neuro to Lazer or something?

[tender river]

fwiw it supports lineage/android 15, though not sure camera and battery are going to be up to your standards

[rigid snow]

i kinda liked it at the time, but in retrospect it's actual dogshit, sorry not sorry

[sage crag]

i dislike how flat everything is these days

[rigid snow]

i liked it because novel = good

[rigid snow]

and you miss material 1 of all things

[sage crag]

some nostalgia is in play

awa

[opaque wharf]

Using vuetify, I can just easily change md3 to md1 and you got material design 1 app

[rigid snow]

willingly using material <any> is crazy

how do people like it i genuinely don't understand

[opaque wharf]

I'd rather use material <any> than programmer "UI"

You've seen copyparty right?

[sage crag]

it hails back to a simpler time

[rigid snow]

yeah i was the one who went on the ux/ui tangent

[rigid snow]

"i kinda like the middle screenshot" and it had to be from an iphone

that's funny

[opaque wharf]

Also konii, what is your standard for good battery is?

And for that matter, a good camera

Because you've seen my standard of "good" camera

[sage crag]

relevant specs of my current phone

mostly im just sick of samsung

awa

[opaque wharf]

That's a tall ask for easily flashable phone lol

But if it's not linux, then maybe pixel 9

[opaque sigil]

speaking of flashable phones, apparently samsung is disabling the ability to unlock the bootloader for everyone in one ui 8

not that most people could do that already

[opaque wharf]

Wait, does pixel still easily flashable?

[opaque sigil]

yeah

[sage crag]

grapheneos uses webusb to flash pixel phones

lol

[opaque wharf]

Ahh, then yeah, I think pixel is the most guaranteed

[dull ether]

I swear the recent one ui update reduced my already not great battery life

likely more resource intensive

[tender river]

i went through pmos wiki and this seems like the best linux phone with a functioning camera https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Xiaomi_POCO_F1_(xiaomi-beryllium)

(no 120hz)

[opaque sigil]

idk it's been the same for me (aka just as shitty)

[tender river]

bwa

[sage crag]

bwaa 120 hz bwa

bwa

[opaque wharf]

I do not use my phone often, so my battery life is good anyway

[olive sable]

[south needle]

anyone knows current SOTA vocoders?

[sage crag]

vktriangle

[olive sable]

indeed

[opaque wharf]

Wtf is vocoder

[sage crag]

voice coding

miku miku beam

[south needle]

it takes speaker embeddings and makes wavform out of it

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so a vocal generator?

I though it vibe codes using voice

[olive sable]

the validation layers are not happy

[opaque wharf]

Wtf happened to paperswithcode.com?

[olive sable]

guess how many lines of code

[rigid snow]

why is this image 15MB

[opaque sigil]

1200

[olive sable]

less

[opaque sigil]

800

[olive sable]

more

[opaque sigil]

1024

[olive sable]

less

[south needle]

bcause its not a screenshot

[sage crag]

921

[olive sable]

are we gonna do this?

less

[sage crag]

850

[opaque sigil]

800 <= x <= 1024

[olive sable]

more

[south needle]

and that does not count

[sage crag]

880

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

yes

[olive sable]

more

[sage crag]

900

[olive sable]

less

[sage crag]

890

[nocturne olive]

!!

[olive sable]

more

[sage crag]

895

[south needle]

you

[olive sable]

more

[sage crag]

897

[olive sable]

more

[sage crag]

899

[rigid snow]

[olive sable]

yes

[sage crag]

almost-binary search

[opaque sigil]

so more like 600 in reality

[south needle]

you guys know there is a more efficient protocoll to determining a uint16

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

the brackets dude

[opaque sigil]

[opaque wharf]

What?

WHAT?!

[sage crag]

faster for humans though?

[south needle]

transmitting the number right away

[olive sable]

the brackets only remove about 100 or so

[south needle]

i mean we are living in a utf-8 encoded space here

[tender river]

also i checked the los website and nothing cmf does sound like a good option, so you can either get that and flash degoogled android (which is a solid option imo) or get poco x3 nfc and hope its camera support improves in the future (it's not impossible, poco f1 got camera support just around a year ago, but it all depends on random people volunteering weeks of their life reverse engineering camera drivers)

[sage crag]

my only issue with cmf phone really is that its a bit large

bwa

[rigid snow]

🫩 i wonder how many people this will render correctly for here

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

164mm?

not cm?

[sage crag]

do you want a 1 metre phone

are you ok

[olive sable]

oh wait we're not talkign about you

[nocturne olive]

mm is the standard for measurements

[sage crag]

yes i have not shrunk by 10x

[opaque sigil]

200g konii

[olive sable]

i was getting confused by the vegan leather

[sage crag]

what???

[opaque wharf]

[sage crag]

i do not have vegan leather

[olive sable]

checks out

[olive sable]

the white thingy says standard / vegan leather

[rigid snow]

these memes were the shit in 2012

[sage crag]

oh that and it lacks nfc

[opaque wharf]

BMW Grill

[nocturne olive]

That looks like a door

[tender river]

maybe motorola edge 30 neo?

[sage crag]

looking

[tender river]

also i dont think nfc has many uses if you use degoogled android

[sage crag]

ooh it has ois

nice

cmf only has eis

4020 mAh

bwa

[opaque wharf]

Not many but still useful and nice to have when needed

[tender river]

bwa

[sage crag]

still more than my current phone

980mAh less than cmf phone though

[olive sable]

what are we talking baout rn?

[opaque wharf]

konii hunger for battery

[rigid snow]

battery acid

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

But konii, do you have external power bank?

[sage crag]

yes, but i dont like carrying it

nor do i like smaller batteries because they degrade faster

[tender river]

i couldnt find any other decent options that were 120hz

[olive sable]

ive opted to never get a powerbank and to jsut lower my usage instead

[sage crag]

i would go for something like a pixel 9a if it was in my budget

[opaque wharf]

I carry a big power bank on my backpack for my laptop anyway

[rigid snow]

imagine having a battery life

1. my phone has a 2400mAh battery
2. battery health is at 85% capacity
3. i have beta firmware installed

[sage crag]

10 minutes of battery

[olive sable]

ill most likely be getting a 2ndhand phone if this one breaks, i odnt want to spend much money

[sage crag]

the pixel 8a looks like a toy

that's funny

[olive sable]

my current phone refurbished is only 100 bucks

[sage crag]

the person in these photos has huge hands

or the phone is tiny

[olive sable]

do they?

i have big hands so i dont have a good reference point

[rigid snow]

wait a sec

i was looking for a small phone

[olive sable]

waiting

[rigid snow]

but it's the a...

[olive sable]

[rigid snow]

hell nah

[tender river]

whats a millimeter

[sage crag]

this is the moto edge 30 neo though

its about the same, if a bit thinner

[rigid snow]

they made the a series water resistant?

[opaque wharf]

Would you prefer milibeter?

[sage crag]

[olive sable]

nah they dont have big hands if that phone is only 150mm

my hands dwarf them

[rigid snow]

absolutely awful looking

how did this pass anything at moto

[opaque wharf]

I don't think it's that awful

But also because I don't care much about how my phone looks

[rigid snow]

same brand the og razr was labeled as btw

incredible work

[sage crag]

what

[opaque wharf]

This is my current phone

And it is a hands-me-down

[rigid snow]

[sage crag]

inf%

[olive sable]

i got this rn

[rigid snow]

it looks way better than the moto one and that's saying something

[tender river]

firefox can have infinite gpu, as a treat

[sage crag]

firefox cant have infinite gpu

i only have finite gpu