programming

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

this may have been used in your memcpy impl actually i dont remember

.memset
  mov rcx, .len
  mov rdi, .dest_ptr
  mov ax, .src
  rep stosb

is a small memset impl

[weak horizon]

Why does every time I turn on my windows, open Google Chrome, and it crashes as soon as I type on the Discord website?

[opaque wharf]

Because discord hates you specifically

[weak horizon]

Shouldn't be google chrome?

[opaque wharf]

Nah, if other website are fine, then it is Discord that hates you

[weak horizon]

The first thing I do when I turn on Google Chrome is to open Discord

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, try opening other site then that also has some form of DRM

[weak horizon]

I crashed while typing

[opaque wharf]

Like youtube, or spotify, or netflix

Wait no, youtube doesn't have DRM I think

[weak horizon]

It won't appear again after this time, know to restart and open chrome (sometimes there will be a crash)

[opaque wharf]

There are too many variables to account for weird behavior on browser

[weak horizon]

Is there anything about VPN?

I using VPN

[opaque wharf]

It could be, yeah

Especially if a web is trying to be smart

[weak horizon]

oh

[opaque wharf]

But also, most of the problem indeed stems from a website trying to be smart. Hence why I said discord hates you specifically

[sage crag]

i've been looking closer at the asm the compiler generates and

memset:
  cmp rdi, 0x0
  seta al
  movzx rax, al
  test al, al
  je :2
  mov byte [rsi], dl
  inc rsi
  dec rdi
  jmp :memset
.2:
  ret

why is it bad

memset:
  test rdi, rdi
  jz :2
.1:
  mov byte [rsi], dl
  inc rsi
  dec rdi
  jnz :1
.2:
  ret

i wrote my own

[opaque wharf]

Great, now we have 2 CPU

[sage crag]

im not parsing machine code

asm is meant for human (or tv)

[sage crag]

also this is wrong,

memset:
  mov al, dl
  mov rcx, rdi
  mov rdi, rsi
  cld
  rep stosb
  ret

[sage crag]

memset:
       jgtu $1, $0, :1
       jala $0, $31, 0
1:       st $3, $2, 0, 1
     addi64 $2, $2, 1
     addi64 $1, $1, -1
        jmp :memset

strangely hbvm doesnt have this terrible codegen

[desert plaza]

i have gone through that hb hello world you gave me a while ago

[sage crag]

directly decompiled would be

void memset(uint64_t a, uintptr_t b, char c) {
  while (true) {
    if (a > 0) {
      *b = c;
      b += 1;
      a += ~0; // -1
    } else {
      return;
    }
  }
}

memset := fn(len: uint, dest: ^u8, src: u8): void {
    while len > 0 {
        dest.* = src
        dest += 1
        len -= 1
    }
}

here is the actual source code, so yeah

[sage crag]

any thoughts

[hoary grove]

hi, can I ask a question about neuro playing osu?

[sage crag]

obligatory https://dontasktoask.com/

[desert plaza]

hb certainly isn't like x86

[sage crag]

yup

its risc

[desert plaza]

wanna see the file?

[sage crag]

hm ok

sure

[hoary grove]

how does neuro play osu?

I cannot understand how vedal make it.

I know it's AI. I WANT to know the concrete method....

[opaque wharf]

The actual implementation is not public, so for all we know it could be small goblin playing it

[sage crag]

however we do know roughly how it works

[opaque wharf]

Ye, but the person want the concrete method. Which may or may not be the one that is used

[desert plaza]

here ya go

[opaque wharf]

2.5KB by hands?

[desert plaza]

i added comments

[hoary grove]

i'm amazing for her quick response while playing osu

[rustic maple]

Isn't it kind if an multi model approach while she plays? With the playing and talking model just sharing informations? And the talking model beeing able to instruct the playing one?

[sage crag]

here's how i expect it to work:

1. use gosumemory or similar to read the positions of circles, sliders
2. make a low resolution greyscale image of the positions using pandas or something
3. feed the images to a CNN (convolutional neural network) using pytorch
4. the output is the position of the cursor and if the button is held
5. make the input in game using pyautogui or similar
6. if it was a miss, punish the NN, else reward the NN
7. train the NN using the reward
8. voila, osu playing ai

[hoary grove]

I dont think neuro play osu in this function.. Talk and play is devided into 2 parts. But talk maybe have no influence on playing.

[olive sable]

@stark needle i may not have a brain but i have a plan

[sage crag]

seems correct to me

cant check the disasm anymore since i deleted that program

lol

[nocturne olive]

The reward likely is a bit more complex, there may be scaled rewards based on hit accuracy, but otherwise seems accurate enough

[sage crag]

yeah, i didnt want to infodump too much

[hoary grove]

oh ye it's right. I am so stupid. I forget it can access the position on the screen using some sdks.

[opaque wharf]

I am not talking about size optimization btw. I am talking about the fact that you write 2.5KB of raw hex

[sage crag]

step 1 and 2 may be a bit different if vedal takes a screenshot of the game rather than reading the memory

[nocturne olive]

But essentially, the core function is just game state -> position and boolean weather to click

[nocturne olive]

He did explicitly say he reads memory on the dev stream when asked about porting to Lazer

[sage crag]

its not raw hex, its the hexdump in ascii + comments + spacing

[sage crag]

ah, makes sense

[nocturne olive]

Pretty sure

[hoary grove]

If transfer to a 3D game. Position maybe is not so easily to get. right?

[nocturne olive]

I remember him mentioning that

[nocturne olive]

It always depends on the game

[sage crag]

tosu supports osu lazer these days

doesnt run on linux though

[olive sable]

3D games can still just use 2D positioning, but for height it can get a bit tricky ye

[hoary grove]

how about it takes two? In fact i want to achive an agent to pass it takes two.

[nocturne olive]

Vedal mentioned something about low level Osu modding, so potentially he might be linking or injecting something manually

[nocturne olive]

And what's that game?

[opaque wharf]

Platformer

[sage crag]

doubtful that it's the case to be honest, its pointless when existing memory readers can tell you the positions of the circles

[hoary grove]

aha? can you explain it or recommend some resources!!!

[olive sable]

i do gamedev, not really ai

sorry

[nocturne olive]

But did those exist when Vedal started it? And of course there is the fact he injects the "Neuro view" into the game as well, which apparently depends on Osu stable

[opaque wharf]

You have to write AI eventually for the game

[olive sable]

nah

[nocturne olive]

Not ML though

[opaque wharf]

Albeit simple, but still "AI"

[opaque wharf]

Yep

[hoary grove]

ok

[sage crag]

yeah, gosumemory is as old as dirt

are we sure the neuro view isnt just an overlay?

[nocturne olive]

"AI" is misleading as a term, ML would be better to describe what the modern "AI" field is

[nocturne olive]

He did say it depends on Osu stable, so it might be injected directly into Osu's video memory

[sage crag]

i think the meaning is that the neuro view is generated from data in osu stable

hence the neuro view depends on osu stable

[nocturne olive]

The entire Osu AI could run within Osu's process and memory

[sage crag]

doubtful again, osu is written in c# and most ml (notably all ml we've seen vedal do) has been in python

[nocturne olive]

Who knows, we can't really rule anything out with his vague information

[sage crag]

yeah

[nocturne olive]

It could be anything, all we really know for certain is what is shown on streams exists, there's an AI behind it, and somehow it relies on Osu stable

[sage crag]

i still think the dependency chain is it actually relies on gosumemory or rosumemory, rather than osu stable specifically

these two memory readers dont support lazer

[nocturne olive]

Since you said Osu is in C# it could be entirely possible that Vedal could have decompiled it and added new stuff directly

As far as I'm aware C# is easy to decompile

[wise acorn]

osu is open source

[velvet crest]

You have unlocked new role

[sage crag]

true and false

osu stable is closed source

osu!lazer is open source

[opaque wharf]

Why decompile?

https://github.com/ppy/osu

[sage crag]

sigh

[sage crag]

jmp

[nocturne olive]

And thus the decompile

[opaque wharf]

Oh

[sage crag]

though i will say i doubt that's the case either

[desert plaza]

i think you posted the disassembly earlier in the channel

[sage crag]

its just needlessly complicated compared to an external solution

[sage crag]

probably

[desert plaza]

here

[sage crag]

ah, that would be it

that garbage

[desert plaza]

[sage crag]

poor compiler

its dumb as rocks at codegen

great regalloc, great mem2reg, codegen still sucks

hard to compete with sota compilers i guess

[opaque wharf]

What to eat for dinner

[sage crag]

table

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, I doubt wood is good for my wellbeing tbh

[sage crag]

fork

[opaque wharf]

Neither does stainless steel

[sage crag]

plate

[opaque wharf]

What is a ceramic but sand?

[sage crag]

that's like saying what is sand but silicon

[wise acorn]

unless you're michel lotito

[opaque wharf]

Well, every material can be a sand when grinded fine enough

[sage crag]

[wise acorn]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito

[sage crag]

<main.memset>:
    cmp    rdi,0x0
    seta   al
    movzx  rax,al
    test   al,al
    je     <main.memset+0x20>
    mov    BYTE PTR [rsi],dl
    inc    rsi
    dec    rdi
    jmp    <main.memset>
    ret

<_start>:
    sub    rsp,0x8
    xor    rdi,rdi
    xor    rdx,rdx
    xor    rsi,rsi
    call   <main.memset>
    xor    rdi,rdi
    movabs rax,0x3c
    syscall

look at it

memset := fn(len: uint, dest: ^u8, src: u8): void {
    while len > 0 {
        dest.* = src
        dest += 1
        len -= 1
    }
}

main := fn(): void {
    memset(0, @bit_cast(0), 0)
}

it made the purest garbage

[opaque wharf]

~1KG of metal/day is crazy

[nocturne olive]

Well, we do know Vedal is a bit dumb sometimes, so it's possible, just not obviously the case

[sage crag]

_start is fine,

<_start>:
    sub    rsp,0x8 ;pre-align stack for systemv callconv. technically required even if stack is unused.
    xor    rdi,rdi ;zero len
    xor    rdx,rdx ;zero byte. could be xor dl,dl but compiler codegen is patchy.
    xor    rsi,rsi ;zero ptr 
    call   <main.memset> ;memset time
    xor    rdi,rdi ;exit(0)
    movabs rax,0x3c ;sys_exit
    syscall

<main.memset>:
    cmp    rdi,0x0 ;len==0
    seta   al ;al = (len > 0) ? 1 : 0 
    movzx  rax,al ;set upper 56 bits to zero for some reason
    test   al,al ;al & al -> acc
    je     <main.memset+0x20> ;jmp to ret if acc == 0
    mov    BYTE PTR [rsi],dl ;set byte
    inc    rsi ;increment ptr
    dec    rdi ;decrement len
    jmp    <main.memset> ;back to beginning
    ret

memset is just weird

memset:
  test rdi, rdi ;len == 0 -> acc
  jz :2 ;if acc == 0: return
.1:
  mov byte [rsi], dl ;set byte
  inc rsi ;increment ptr
  dec rdi ;decrement len
  jnz :1 ;loop if len != 0
.2:
  ret

more typical implementation

it takes a surprisingly long time to write these comments

im not a good computer

[desert plaza]

ok i see your point now, i was sitting here letting you explain why the generated code was garbage

u right

[sage crag]

🎤

enub karaoke

[sage crag]

its not even considering potential optimisations, this just feels like a missing peephole though

[desert plaza]

i love segfaults

[sage crag]

compiler doesnt seem to consider special cases for zero

[desert plaza]

i would one day like to make my own compiler

[sage crag]

jnz is unused, and we are doing cmp rdi, 0x0 rather than test rdi, rdi

[olive sable]

structs: exist
vulkan pipeline creation:

[desert plaza]

surely can't be that hard

[nocturne olive]

Vulkan do be Vulkan

By the way, I may be getting some more money tomorrow, so I maybe can try to pay for the 3090

[olive sable]

[sage crag]

for an actual version that you might a better compiler spit out

memset:
  mov al, dl ;al is the byte for rep stosb, dl is the function argument for byte
  mov rcx, rdi ;rcx is the length for rep stosb, rdi is the function argument for the length
  mov rdi, rsi ;rdi is the pointer for rep stosb, rsi is the function argument for the pointer
  cld ;clear direction flag (set rep stosb to increment ptr rather than decrement)
  rep stosb ;literally the memcpy
  ret

[opaque wharf]

Well, but the upside is you have total control

[olive sable]

yep

not a single thing on screen and 682 lines of code

[sage crag]

if memset was an always inline function:

compiler generated:

_start:
    xor    rdi, rdi
    xor    rdx, rdx
    xor    rsi, rsi
.1:
    cmp    rdi, 0x0
    seta   al
    movzx  rax, al
    test   al, al
    je     :2
    mov    BYTE PTR [rsi],dl
    inc    rsi
    dec    rdi
    jmp    :1
.2: 
    xor    rdi,rdi
    movabs rax,0x3c
    syscall

optimised:

_start:
  xor al, al
  xor rcx, rcx
  xor rdi, rdi
  rep stosb
  xor rdi, rdi
  mov eax, 0x3c
  syscall

@desert plaza

no comments on there but as you can see

[sage crag]

main:
    sub rsp, 0x20
    mov qword ptr [rsp], 0x00
    mov qword ptr [rsp+0x08], 0x00
    mov byte ptr [rsp+0x10], 0x00
1:    mov rax, [rsp]
    cmp rax, 0x00
    setnbe al
    movzx rax, al
    test al, al
    jz :0
    mov rcx, [rsp+0x08]
    mov al, [rsp+0x10]
    mov [rcx], al
    mov rax, [rsp+0x08]
    inc rax
    mov [rsp+0x08], rax
    mov rax, [rsp]
    dec rax
    mov [rsp], rax
    jmp :1
0:    add rsp, 0x20
    ret

somehow what the compiler actually generates is infinitely worse than what i said it would be

how

that's actually awful

inlining a the only function call should never make the binary bigger

[dreamy wasp]

Hewo, I'm trying to get into learning AI into which i can eventually create my own personal assistant AI with voice and avatar. Where should i start learning become I don't know a thing about this kind of thing

[sage crag]

bingo

[sage crag]

if you dont have knowledge of programming already, some basic python tutorials are the place to start

if you do have knowledge of programming, then search for pytorch tutorials

[dreamy wasp]

What am i looking at

[olive sable]

asm

i think

[opaque wharf]

It is indeed asm

x86_64 asm to be specific

[dreamy wasp]

I have some basic programming language with Java and C# but they say that Python is the best for making an AI, but what I don't really understand is what's an LLM and Neural Networking

[dreamy wasp]

Is that a website or application? I don't know much about things

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aircAruvnKk&list=PLZHQObOWTQDNU6R1_67000Dx_ZCJB-3pi
watch this

this will teach you about neural networks

its a whole playlist

after you're done watching, go watch this huge video or something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_xro1bcAuA

[sage crag]

asm is an abbreviation of assembly, which refers to a low level language that can be translated directly to machine code

[dreamy wasp]

It's a data type meant for machine learning?

[sage crag]

no, machine code is what your cpu executes to run a program

[opaque wharf]

I'd suggest not using asm for machine learning lest you wanna go insane

But then again, you could try to write a custom optimized kernel by hand for ML

Just the kernel tho

[sage crag]

i dont think you should bother them with random tech jargon

bwabwabwa

they are clearly new at this, it's just gonna be confusing

[opaque wharf]

I will bother everyone with info dump, and no one can stop me

[opaque wharf]

But also, the person mentioned that he has programming experience with Java and C#, so I do have certain expectation

[dreamy wasp]

Please have mercy on my poor soul

[dreamy wasp]

Basic programming experience to be honest, I'm currently learning them in my course at computer engineering

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, then what konii gives you is a good starter to know what you're getting yourself into

[dreamy wasp]

All i can see is my sanity crumbling and what's being left is just my 1 braincell doing infinite back flips into the void

[opaque wharf]

That's just average programming experience

[dreamy wasp]

But thank you all, this is better than asking chatGPT for help in making my desired AI in which i did, i don't know what i was thinking when i did it

[dreamy wasp]

I fear for my future, yet I can't escape. Neuro-sama got me in a chokehold, my destiny has been chained by AIs

[opaque wharf]

You'll be fine. We have a TV, a CPU, and an insane person here to help you out

[dreamy wasp]

I love this asylum

[olive sable]

tried to take a screenshot of all the code but ran out of space even with all 3 monitors stacked

[olive sable]

idk why i did this

[opaque wharf]

You can use extension to take full screenshot without using 3 monitor

[olive sable]

aight framebuffers are done

[opaque wharf]

I have not solved my hunger issue

[sage crag]

i

[faint sandal]

I've not eaten all day it's 5pm

[sage crag]

10:50

am

i ate last at

2 am

i last slept at

when did i sleep

[faint sandal]

debating whether I want braised pork rice with veggies or the new KFC menu item

[opaque wharf]

And you missed another chance to fix your sleep schedule

[olive sable]

it is 11.50am here, i last ate at 8pm yesterday

[sage crag]

too busy harassing compiler dev

[olive sable]

i slept from about 11pm till 9am

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-tom-hiddleston-loki-gif-10593267

That guy?

[sage crag]

that one

he not awake though

will probably not read all 4 pings i sent him

[opaque wharf]

Hmm, he's a trickster so what do you expect?

[sage crag]

awa

[covert bane]

Should ai be able to edit their own code?

[opaque wharf]

Sure, why not

[covert bane]

Last time i checked, I dont think I wrote it in assembly, help.

[sage crag]

what

[opaque wharf]

The AI gone rogue

[covert bane]

So, i gave an AI i trained access to that, and an infinite loop of itself running.

And came back a few hours later its now gone from python to asm

[opaque wharf]

Even AI hates python

[rustic maple]

Oh I wanted to do that in the future too XD

[sage crag]

forgive me but im struggling to believe it slightly

[opaque wharf]

I just take what the person said at face value because I don't want to argue about its validity

[covert bane]

(Not really true, true story was that the AI tried to and broke.)

Tbh, I forgot to put safety measures in place too

[opaque wharf]

I still have no idea what to eat

[sage crag]

🎤

eatnub

[opaque wharf]

But if I eat nub, there will be no more nub

[covert bane]

Hmm, eggs!

[opaque wharf]

I'm gonna eat a horse

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-umamusume-uma-musume-picmix-umamusume-picmix-cinderella-grey-gif-14218252221909647587

[olive sable]

\

[rigid snow]

“\”

[sage crag]

☆\☆

[rigid snow]

epic discord formatting fail

[sage crag]

epic discord formatting fail 2

[dreamy wasp]

This good at learning about LLMs?
https://youtu.be/zjkBMFhNj_g?si=A-sgx9fAzhy8Jr86

[sage crag]

watch the 3b1b playlist

[dreamy wasp]

what kind of horse

[sage crag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aircAruvnKk&list=PLZHQObOWTQDNU6R1_67000Dx_ZCJB-3pi
please just watch these. they are good videos.

[dreamy wasp]

Already saved the playlist, watched one video as well and it makes sense now

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-gold-ship-mj-gif-16300409534087469760

[dreamy wasp]

Bruh

[opaque wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-evil-neuro-embed-failure-gif-15456327638408323033

[sage crag]

https://tenor.com/view/neurosama-gif-27390590

where are all the embeds?

i eated them all

[opaque wharf]

You have a big appetite for a TV

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[sage crag]

your

[desert plaza]

your?

[sage crag]

tv eat image, tv job

[opaque wharf]

But you only eat image at 1Hz

[rigid snow]

i wish i had 20 different types of food simultaneously broadcasted to me 24/7

[sage crag]

do you eat at >1Hz

[opaque wharf]

I do not eat image. I eat horse

[midnight sigil]

konii konii are you digital or analog

[dreamy wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/oguri-cap-oguri-cap-umamusume-uma-gif-15407094230313995300

[opaque wharf]

VGA is analog I think

[olive sable]

friend found an old pc from his dad or so. 5 beeps when trying to boot

[sage crag]

vga

digital

or

[dreamy wasp]

Brother why you failing me

[midnight sigil]

that's analog

[sage crag]

analogue

[midnight sigil]

[sage crag]

i dont know

kidneys

[opaque wharf]

You still don't have embed perms

[midnight sigil]

konii how can you not know what signal are you running at

[rigid snow]

it depends on the food. it’s quite fast eating something like rice, maybe like 200Hz, for a horse it’s probably in the μHz region

[opaque wharf]

That's a feature of this server. New user have to get their embed perms

[dreamy wasp]

Oh das why, i forgor

[opaque wharf]

Bri'ish

[sage crag]

do you know what signal you are running at

rude

[dreamy wasp]

How about a big mac

[midnight sigil]

[midnight sigil]

I'm guessing analog

[opaque wharf]

Epic reply failure

[midnight sigil]

since I'm not just 1 and 0 but accepting neurons

I mean

receptors or whatever

[sage crag]

you are running on post it notes handed through the office

24 hours

[midnight sigil]

wuh

[sage crag]

the inexorable march of time constrains my feeble form

[opaque wharf]

Eat some tachyon, go FTL and return back in time

[olive sable]

nvidia gt 512

interesting

[opaque wharf]

I don't think GT512 exists?

[olive sable]

520

typo

or well, more like a brain error

[opaque wharf]

Finally, I have found what I am looking for
https://github.com/casey/just

[stark needle]

at least get Monoprice SW-15 subwoofers, should cost rougly the same

[olive sable]

moon gordingat

[stark needle]

idk wtf was before in the text box alr

but yeait doesn't seem like a good idea

[olive sable]

why not?

[stark needle]

but you do you it's your money after all

also aren't micca m8c speakers to screw into the wall

or something

[olive sable]

ceiling

i already have the 9 ground level speakers

[olive sable]

this one?

[stark needle]

that is considered S++ tier subwoofer ye

[olive sable]

aight

ill get 2

[wise acorn]

next thing is getting sound treated room

[olive sable]

once i have he money saved

[olive sable]

that room is hard to soundtreat but ill try

[wise acorn]

do you have a measuring mic

[stark needle]

also

how did u choose those speakers

like

[olive sable]

No

[stark needle]

it seems like u only have tweeters and subwoofer

[olive sable]

For now im just gonna reuse the old speakers

They're good

[wise acorn]

you can use room correction instead of sound treating all the way, you can get a umik and either dirac or sonarworks

[olive sable]

Ill see whats in my budget

[stark needle]

sonarworks is based

though

off axis reflections cant be fixed

[stark needle]

u can do room correction cheaply ish

nvm

sonarworks for multichannel is 500$

[olive sable]

Cheap

Mhm

[wise acorn]

We do a little thing called

[wise acorn]

You can just use REW since it's free, I mean you don't need to get to the gritty details yet

You'll identify peaks/nulls that way

An example of null looks like this

[stark needle]

rew is so schizo

i use that for headphone measurements

[olive sable]

The biggest hurdle will not be money but making my mom aprove of the plans

[stark needle]

give money to ur mom

ez fix

[olive sable]

[stark needle]

pull a jessie pinkman and buy the whole house

[wise acorn]

based on the sub this is more of a theater room thing than for music eh

[opaque wharf]

Yes, that is his plan

[wise acorn]

well it's all a rabbit hole anyways

[opaque wharf]

To improve audio for movie watching

[olive sable]

This house is 6-7 digits tho

[wise acorn]

i just have a simple mr4

[opaque wharf]

6-7 digits IDR?

IDR 9.999.999 is around 606 USD btw

[stark needle]

u could just get two proper speakers 😭

[wise acorn]

i recently got a scarlett solo on sale with amazon prime day to hook up to my mic (maono pd400x), but my setup is not really for audiophile yet

[stark needle]

and two subwoofers

[olive sable]

Euro

[olive sable]

Nah

[stark needle]

what u have in ur list are all tweeters, not actual full range speakers

it's gonna sound weak

[opaque wharf]

He will reuse the existing one too

[stark needle]

the existing ones dont seem like good speakers

[olive sable]

Isnt the point to have bass go to the subs?

[opaque wharf]

But it is speaker

[wise acorn]

just get second hand ones from kids who had parents who were home theater freaks for cheap

[opaque wharf]

Tweeter is something above 2KHz or smth, sub woofer is belo 200Hz. All else is woofer

[olive sable]

I wish it was that easy

[stark needle]

yea

+2khz

[wise acorn]

fb marketplace or ebay

[olive sable]

All these speakers do 20hz-20khz tho

[stark needle]

yes but

that's just theoretical

[olive sable]

I have crossover at 200hz tho

[opaque wharf]

The response curve may not reflect that

[stark needle]

my hd600 also do like 5hz-40khz or something but it can't do it actually

just theoretical speaker limitations

[stark needle]

ok but u don't have woofers

[olive sable]

I have 1

[opaque wharf]

A dog?

[olive sable]

I have the bottom set

[opaque wharf]

Oh, it's still called woofer for the low freq? Didn't know that

[stark needle]

i just call em speakers i don't schizo too much with em

tho i do want new speakers

[opaque wharf]

[stark needle]

specifically kali audio lp6 v2

[wise acorn]

most of bookshelf speakers will have at least the woofer and tweeter

[noble zodiac]

actually its xer now

[opaque wharf]

cross-over?

xer?

[olive sable]

My budget is 3K

So i was thinking of just reusing the current speakers and switching them out later

[stark needle]

also

u have a phone sam

try running white noise

on the speakers

and use a frequency analyzer

see how flat they are

[olive sable]

Wdym white noise?

[opaque wharf]

Static sound

Those bzzztt

[olive sable]

Ye but like just a yt video?

[stark needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMfPqeZjc2c

[wise acorn]

white noise would play basically all the frequencies together so a mic would be able to measure what's missing

[opaque wharf]

If the mic response is properly known that is

[stark needle]

phone mics are generally good enough

[wise acorn]

that is why a proper calibrated mic (known reference) so you would be able to room correct, you can even technically swap to a speakers of your choice if you like the sound of a specific speaker (sonarworks sound id can do this)

bla bla, flat response, bla bla harman curve bla bla (though this is for headsets)

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but that will requires additional processing ahead of time or on the fly

I JUST REALIZED

How expensive is MiniDSP?

[wise acorn]

they're not that expensive, and even cheaper as second hand, they go like $80

[opaque wharf]

Something like this
https://www.minidsp.com/products/ht-series/flex-ht

[rigid snow]

go full schizo and get dsp boards off aliexpress

[wise acorn]

oh i thought you meant the mic

[opaque wharf]

So you can have any shitty speaker and compensate it by the MiniDSP (which is still not recommended but is easier than fixing the room and processing the media ahead of time)

[olive sable]

Whats the verdict?

This is with crossover at 200

[opaque wharf]

You can see that it is indeed missing a lot of the higher frequencies (>5KHz), and the subwoofer doesn't go as low as 40Hz

[olive sable]

It does 40hz

Just not with this video i guess

Ive heard it do 25 with one of those frequency geberator apps

[opaque wharf]

I worded it badly

It doesn't go lower than 40Hz

[olive sable]

Once it goes under 40 it gets a lot queter yes

First part is 40, 2nd part is 35

[opaque wharf]

Me on my laptop speaker: "Hmm, yes that is bass"

[wise acorn]

is that a sweep

find a video that does a sweep

[olive sable]

That wasnt a sweep

Lemme sweep

[opaque wharf]

That's white noise

[olive sable]

Nah i did those frequencies manually

You just cant hear on your laptop

[opaque wharf]

Oh, I was referring to the spectrogram

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAsMlDptjx8

Idk if YT compression will mess up the audio tho

[olive sable]

Ye not great on low end

Low end will be replaced anyways with those 2 subs

Curtains have been veto'd.
She'll allow a roll down blindd tho, but i doubt that helps with sound

[rigid snow]

why are you looking at a waveform of a sweep

[olive sable]

Shadow says my speakers are beta males

According to him i need better ones

[tender river]

yes, the instruction is called erms (enhanced rep movsb)
notably it's slower at small sizes but faster at large sizes

[opaque wharf]

BetaVanMaele

[olive sable]

[tender river]

except the anticheat, libbass, and the anticheat integration patches

[tender river]

[hard raptor]

So a lil update on the pc i am building:

[v] Case: NZXT H9 Flow (€165)
[  ] CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X  (€349)
[  ] Cooler: Cooler Master Air cooler (€31.90)
[v] Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 EAGLE AX (€139)
[  ] RAM: Kingston FURY Beast 64GB - DIMM - DDR5 (2x 32GB) (€164,90)
[v] PSU: Corsair RM1000e - 1000W (€169,90)
[  ] Thermal Grizzly thermal paste (€12)

Estimated total (w/o additional fans): €1,031.69
Left: €557.8

I changed the AIO for an air cooler, just so that i have to save up less money to get the pc to work, I will still buy the AIO but i have moved it to the secondary list just like the GPU and M.2 drives

[opaque wharf]

If you are going to change the cooler, then I think the built-in AMD wraith cooler is good enough for a while

[hard raptor]

The CPU doesn't come with the cooler

[opaque wharf]

Huh... I didn't know that

I though boxed CPU always comes with the cooler

TIL

[hard raptor]

I know this is in dutch, but here on the website i am gonna buy it from it says that it doesn't come with the cooler

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, the AMD site says that it only comes with cooler for the non-X variant

[hard raptor]

Also i know the PSU is way too overpowered, but i thought better to be safe than to have to buy a new one if i ever decide to upgrade to an actually good GPU

And i already mounted it in the case now so i can't really go back

[opaque wharf]

What was your GPU again?

[hard raptor]

I have this one on the secondary list, but i am thinking i may scrap that and save up for like the best radeon gpu i can find

[opaque wharf]

Ahh yes, I think 1000W is not really that far off from the minimum recommended when you pair it with Ryzen 9 tho

[hard raptor]

Cuz yesterday my financial advisor and i discovered i can afford way more than what my plan was

So i might as well get an actually good GPU

[hard raptor]

This is based on the fact that to my own loose calculations i could afford like between 200 and 350 per month...

Turns out it's closer to 550

And given that the best Radeon GPUs i can find on the website of where i buy my parts from are all between 650 and 1000...

On the otherhand that would be totally over powered for my usecases but it's nice to have flexibility i think

[opaque wharf]

It is indeed nice to have it when you need it than to not have it when you need it

[hard raptor]

I will see when i decide to actually buy the GPU

[opaque wharf]

[opaque wharf]

My god it is more cursed than I thought

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4Xsr3Jrvaw

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/peyorkh1m4

[rare bramble]

just found out that converting LOSSLESSLY from gif to png files with ffmpeg and then using avifenc to convert it to .avif file produces a LARGER .avif file compared to converting the gif to png LOSSLESSLY using magick

science cannot explain this

and like not just a bit larger

like straight up 25% difference

in EVERY FILE

[trim valve]

surely there could never be an explanation

(are you using the same compresion settings in each?)

[opaque wharf]

I am more interested in the pipeline. So we have

Gif -> ffmpeg -> png -> ffmpeg -> avif

And

Gif -> magick -> png -> ??? -> avif?

[rare bramble]

wait, no ,there might be default compression even though I didnt specify it

[trim valve]

well yeah they both compress by default

it might just be different values between ffmpeg and imagemagick

[opaque wharf]

Ohh, you're using avifenc for both

What is weird to me is, that means avifenc doesn't process the raw pixel data but rather the png data to convert it to avif

[trim valve]

why is writing actions so hard

[faint sandal]

[hoary lion]

konii behavior

[rare bramble]

nope, could not find the issue, tried a bunch of lossless flags but they didnt do anything, though the magick files produce worse looking .avif files after conversion in addition to them being smaller, so i cant use it

also the thumbnails are different for ffmpeg -> avif files compared to magick -> avif files so there is something different, though there shouldnt be

[rare bramble]

it's gif -> ffmpeg -> .png -> avifenc -> .avif
vs
gif -> magick -> .png -> avifenc -> .avif

you may ask why not gif -> ffmpeg -> .avif? because i couldnt not get transparency working even if my life depended on it

avifenc just worked sooo..'

also avifenc has comprehensible documentation unlike ffmpeg

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I figured that out later. So what interest me is that means avifenc perform the conversion using the png data rather than raw pixel data

But it could also be the conversion from .gif to .png is the fault

[olive sable]

Ah yes

[opaque wharf]

It is affordable. Just not by you

[olive sable]

You'd think that for a device meant to just extract data from a hdmi it'd be cheaper

[opaque wharf]

Consider this: DOLBY certification and DRM cost

[olive sable]

Dolby certification isnt $1000 is it?

[opaque wharf]

It isn't. It is usually WAY higher (true for any certification in general)

[trim valve]

ok my action seems to be running

[opaque wharf]

This page should give you an idea of how expensive it is (literally "contact us for pricing")
https://handbook.dolby.com/dsh/product-certification/

[olive sable]

[trim valve]

@rare bramble are you basically just trying to convert gifs to avif?

[rare bramble]

Yes.

[trim valve]

hm

[rare bramble]

well my main goal is to compress them as much as possible while not losing much quality, and I think .avif files are the best way to do that

[opaque wharf]

This is the nasty part btw. This means the license is not per SKU but per unit sold

[rare bramble]

and discord can embed them so they are good

[trim valve]

I'd personally go webp but if discord can always embed avif then I guess why not

[uneven pulsar]

there htere

[trim valve]

actually one more thing

[trim valve]

when I was talking about compression, it looks like it might be called "speed" in the context of avif

does either ffmpeg or imagemagick let you set the encoding speed?

[minor crag]

I got 9 hours to implement 4 attention mechanisms :3

[trim valve]

tl;dr speed 0 takes ages to compress, but will probably be a smaller filesize whereas speed 10 is allegedly near realtime but obviously compression will suffer

I always get tripped up by avif basically being a video format ngl

[rare bramble]

avifenc has a speed option, currenctly using -speed 2 since it has bearable speed, 1 and 0 dont provide much more compression but they make the it take several times longer

but theres other options that influence the compression outcome a lot more

[trim valve]

hm

I'd have to look at it a bit more closely ngl

[rare bramble]

I have been fiddling with the setting for like 4 days now so you dont have to

[trim valve]

ok but I might have an idea where to look at what's different at each step of the pipeline

@safe path I made ci for the out.bin file for pleep, do you want to (or I could instead) change the neuro-arg/arg-monitoring ci to point to the file that gets autobuilt instead of the one I upload manually? (https://github.com/owobred/pleep/releases/download/latest/out.bin)

(do not look at the code of pleep-build-action it is a hot mess at the moment )

[trim valve]

if you want to send the commands you're currently running / the settings you're using I could give it a peek

my worker ran in 7 minutes

I thought it was gonna take at least an hour

[hallow dawn]

Hi. Is anyone able to use TensorFlow and pytorch well?

[rare bramble]

you want the gif -> avif pipeline?

[trim valve]

yep

[rare bramble]

currently in the process of making it a python file so I can handle gifs with inconsistent frame pacing better

@echo off
setlocal enabledelayedexpansion

:: ================================== SETUP CODE ================================

:: Check input file
if not exist "%~1" (
    echo Error: File not found - %~1
    echo Usage: %~nx0 "yourfile.gif"
    pause
    exit /b
)

:: Extract average frame rate as fraction
set "num=25"
set "den=1"
for /f "tokens=1,2 delims=/" %%a in (
    'ffprobe -v error -select_streams v -of default^=noprint_wrappers^=1:nokey^=1 -show_entries stream^=avg_frame_rate "%~1" 2^>^&1'
) do (
    set "num=%%a"
    set "den=%%b"
)
if not defined den set "den=1"
if "!num!"=="0" if "!den!"=="0" set "num=25" & set "den=1"

:: Calculate frame duration in milliseconds (timescale=1000)
set /a "duration=(1000*den)/num"
if !duration! lss 1 set "duration=1"

:: Create unique temp folder
set "tempdir=__tmp"
if exist "%tempdir%" rd /s /q "%tempdir%"
mkdir "%tempdir%"

:: Get base filename
for %%F in ("%~n1") do set "basename=%%~F"

:: ================================== GIF -> PNG ================================

:: 1. Convert GIF to png
ffmpeg -vsync vfr ^
  -i "%~1" ^
  "%tempdir%\%%03d.png"

:: ================================== DUPLICATE FRAME IF WE ONLY HAVE 1 ================================


set /a file_count=0
for /f %%f in ('dir /b /a-d "%tempdir%\*.png" 2^>nul ^| find /c /v ""') do set /a file_count=%%f

if !file_count! equ 1 (
    set "frame1="
    for %%f in ("%tempdir%\*.png") do (
        if not defined frame1 set "frame1=%%f"
    )
    echo Duplicating single frame for AVIF animation...
    copy /y "!frame1!" "%tempdir%\duplicate.png" >nul
)

:: ================================== PNG -> AVIF ================================
:: 3. Build file list
set files=
for /f "delims=" %%f in ('dir /b /on "%tempdir%\*.png"') do set "files=!files! "%tempdir%\%%f""

:: 4. Convert to AVIF with original frame timing
avifenc --yuv 420 --nclx 1/13/1 ^
--codec aom ^
--qcolor 30 --qalpha 95 ^
--jobs 8 --speed 2 ^
--autotiling ^
-a aq-mode=3 ^
-a enable-qm=1 ^
-a enable-chroma-deltaq=1 ^
-a enable-tpl-model=1 ^
-a end-usage=vbr ^
-a tune=ssim ^
--timescale 1000 --duration !duration! -o "%basename%.avif" %files%


:: 5. Cleanup
rd /s /q "%tempdir%"

ignore the cut in the middle, too long message for discord

[trim valve]

ty

I'll look at it a bit more closely at some point

[rare bramble]

requires ffmpeg and avifenc to run

[trim valve]

tbh I might also take a shot at just doing this in rust lol

[astral raven]

Is it possible to post hardware related things here as well

like GPU, CPU or PC setups or something

[rough bloom]

anything technical can go here, see the channel description

[astral raven]

Yeah I already noticed the description so assuming it is safe to post it
Thanks

[rare bramble]

I corrected a temp broken change in the file I pasted so if you already saved it somewhere, you should resave it

[olive sable]

9.3.4 is apparently a lot cheaper than 9.1.6 and i wont have to split the subwoofer channel that way

A sinle 13 channel amp still adds 1.8k to the price tho

Ill just get 7 stereo amps instead

[opaque wharf]

Get a MiniDSP Sam

[olive sable]

But i need an amp

[rustic maple]

The other day I spawned neuros chat in minecraft as players to test an twitch interactive mod of mine XD
Certainly was interesting getting followed around by hundreds of players XD

[stark needle]

Ye what's up

[hallow dawn]

I found that my testing accuracy rate is very low during training the model but I don't know how to deal with it.

[opaque wharf]

True

[dusty niche]

someone will say treasure 100%

[amber fractal]

Roblox.Platform.Email.Delivery
Excuse me what

If this is for games then new scam source unlocked

[trim valve]

the tragic aftermath of adding ci to my repo

[opaque wharf]

Write the script to run in rust

[trim valve]

[stark needle]

write it in some rare language not picked up by Github

[trim valve]

I should've written them entirely in the yaml for the action

[south needle]

futhark

[opaque wharf]

The person is trying to make github CI runs, not summon a demon

But honestly, what's the difference

[olive sable]

are projectors worth buying these days?

iv ebeen lookign into them lately but they al seem to be really expensive while not being that good

[trim valve]

surely it depends on what you need the projector for

[olive sable]

movies

and gaming too i guess

but main focus is movies

[opaque wharf]

I'm pretty sure Sam doesn't plan on doing lithography anytime soon

[olive sable]

[rough bloom]

maybe he wants it for serious business presentations

[olive sable]

[opaque wharf]

We use big TV for that nowadays

Man, I can't use the premium emote anymore lmao

Didn't realize how many there are

But ye, for movie in the room of your size, big TV is more preferable Sam

Projector brightness suck ass

[trim valve]

maybe sam happened to want to do #programming message

[olive sable]

the tv thats there rn is already 49" and its 3D. so not worth upgrading ig

[rough bloom]

probably, yeah
especially if the room isn't perfectly light controlled
big TVs got pretty cheap AFAIK

[trim valve]

I should've taken that projector 7 years ago when I had the chance, what was I thinking

god I forgot how much I dislike using the rust av1 crates sometimes

[opaque wharf]

It does. You can get 60" $1000

And that's the higher end model

[olive sable]

i was thinking why in ceiling speakers were so expensive but i was sorting from high to low

[opaque wharf]

Considering what it used to be ($10K)

[trim valve]

sam you should add a few of those racing game seat rocker things to your sofa

[olive sable]

???

[opaque wharf]

Nope

[olive sable]

oh you mean a buttkicker?

[trim valve]

yeah one of those

[olive sable]

or actual hydrolic cylinders?

[trim valve]

mount like 1 under each seat in the sofa

[opaque wharf]

This

[trim valve]

surely nothing could go wrong

[opaque wharf]

A buttkicker is nothing compared to actually being yeeted

[olive sable]

$400

ye nah

[trim valve]

where are those videos of the dude strapping some hydraulic cylinders to their pc that move on every shot

[opaque wharf]

Search tin and jar

[olive sable]

for 400 i could put a subwoofer under each seat

[opaque wharf]

It's the channel name
https://www.youtube.com/@tinandjar

And you're looking for this vid specifically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BehSBMGVtrY

[trim valve]

yeah that thing 😭

[olive sable]

that thing is probably more expensive that the entire thing im trying to do rn

[tender river]

"but their license is problematic"

it's literally agpl

linking to google license policy is NOT a valid argument

shut

[trim valve]

are you back on copyparty again?

[tender river]

i noticed this random agpl slander in their docs

and i will not stand for it

[trim valve]

is agpl the one that's difficult if you're commercial or something?

its been too long since I've cared about licenses

[tender river]

it's not that difficult all it says is you must publish your source code changes if you host the service

[opaque wharf]

LMAO

I do not have a problem with GPL nor AGPL

[tender river]

similar to gpl but extends to hosting servers not just distributing the binaries

[trim valve]

fair enough

I thought I remembered something about it being a pain when it comes to dependencies

[tender river]

of COURSE it would be "problematic" for google, doesn't mean it's problematic in general

[rough bloom]

yeah, AGPL is just GPL for network services
it's only inconvenient when you try to sell that service provided by the software

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I am thankful for that license. But I just don't want to bother to enforce license when I found some infringement, that is why I usually just put more permissive license to my work

[tender river]

you don't have to enforce it

it's not a trademark

you keep copyright even if you don't enforce it

[opaque wharf]

But if it's not enforced for some amount of time, wouldn't it be a precedent or smth?

[tender river]

also permissive licenses usually still require credits

[tender river]

no

not a trademark

[opaque wharf]

Oh, so I was confusing that law for a trademark law huh

Because I remember something along the line that if something is used for a while and not enforced, then it become a precedent to be allowed to use anyway

[tender river]

mhm trademark law

[opaque wharf]

Dang

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, but I think asking for credit is not that far stretched to be done than open sourcing things

[tender river]

it's still something that is not trivial

[opaque wharf]

But yeah, if I don't have to enforce it then I may change my work license from now on

[opaque wharf]

Eh, depend on the works no?

[tender river]

what i mean is it's still something you'd have to "enforce"

[opaque wharf]

Yes, but resolving that enforcement issue is easier is what I meant

So pursuing/enforcing it does not put a heavy burden

[fading olive]

Why would put a restrictive license on something you are not planning to enforce? You're just adding barriers making it harder to use for no reason.

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm, good question

Maybe someone else can pursue it in my stead if they deem my work is worthy of it

[tender river]

because you dont want your software to be used in proprietary software?

its not that complicated...

[tender river]

only copyright owners can litigate

[opaque wharf]

But it can be uhh, what is the word? Delegated?

[tender river]

thats actually why GNU uses a CLA (iirc) just so they can litigate infringements on behalf of contributors

[opaque wharf]

So for example if someone wanted to litigate the infringement, could I delegate it to them?

But without that person representing me

Or is that a bit hard without giving away my copyright to said person?

[fading olive]

But if you don't even want to bother enforcing your license, why would you care if your code is used in someone else's project? It would make more sense if you're planning to use your code commercially.

[tender river]

because enforcing licenses costs a ton of time and money

you can have moral problems with someone using your open-source code in proprietary software without having the means to enforce it

[rigid snow]

just discovered macros in swift. add 3 days to the eta of the thing

[hoary lion]

i woke up

again

[south needle]

wellcome

[opaque wharf]

Bro, wtf are you doing

[rigid snow]

this is how you add components to the touchbar. a giant switch statement on ids. i don't want to do that

it gives the method an id and expects it to return the item that id belongs to

[opaque wharf]

The touchbar is cursed

[rigid snow]

no wonder they retired it

but i mean this is very in line with the other apis

[opaque wharf]

If I have the money, I'd mod my keyboards to do it instead

Sadly no one sell a thin long screen module

[rigid snow]

gut a macbook

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

I have no money to buy a screen module, what makes you think I have a money to buy a macbook

Oh gut

[rigid snow]

a broken one of course, chances are the touchbar is fine

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but driving the screen is a whole other issue. I doubt they have the schematic for it

However, I am interested in making some sort of keyboard with a phone screen built in

[trim valve]

you made me check alibaba

what is this

[rigid snow]

i looked into these a long while ago

i have no idea what they're actually for but i have a few ideas of my own

[opaque wharf]

That price....

[trim valve]

that one was claiming for use in elevators?

[rigid snow]

makes sense

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, some modern elevator have opt to use capacitive touchscreen for their button

[raven dock]

i just have to announce this, but for once in my life, i fixed a problem by deleteing it, how does that work, magic????

[hard raptor]

Finally, my vinyls will be delivered tomorrow

[trim valve]

hm a macbook touchbar isn't actually too expensive

[opaque wharf]

I have solved a problem by deciding that I do not care about it again

[raven dock]

i legit nuked the entire folder and that made it work

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, but you need the driver still

[trim valve]

someone uh https://github.com/imbushuo/DFRDisplayKm

made a driver for windows

[opaque wharf]

Most likely the trash from cache and other things

[raven dock]

im not sure if we are allowed to share this but fk it

https://i.imgur.com/I3XReB3.png

[opaque wharf]

Bruh, the driver as in the electronics

[trim valve]

o right

[opaque wharf]

If I wanna use just the screen I don't need the firmware

[trim valve]

hm

someone seems to have made something similar

[rigid snow]

that might be the same oled module even

[opaque wharf]

Yep. Most definitely is

Since the windows driver is apparently a HID

Evil stream!

[olive sable]

you wanted to

[opaque wharf]

Wut?

[olive sable]

why'd you leave the keys up on the table?

you wanted to

[opaque wharf]

My brain is not braining today, I can't comprehend what are you trying to say Sam

[olive sable]

i thought you were watching the stream

[opaque wharf]

Its still the intro?

[olive sable]

yes

one where they have sound

[trim valve]

https://hackaday.com/2024/01/23/reverse-engineering-the-apple-touch-bar-screen/

[rigid snow]

sam watching a chill stream

[olive sable]

im only here for the intro ngl

[opaque wharf]

Nice

[trim valve]

incredible

[rigid snow]

yeah about animated content, i am actually rendering gifs to it already

[opaque wharf]

Seems like Evil is bypassing the filter lmao

[olive sable]

she'ss upposed to no?

[trim valve]

now render a full 60fps video to it

[opaque wharf]

I don't think she should bypass the secondary AI based filter?

[trim valve]

though even then I wouldn't really be suprised, it does mention some "secret" nonstandard commands

[opaque wharf]

Usually the voice just cutoff like the subtitle shown

But this time the voice went through

[rigid snow]

STOP ING ME

it's a apng even !!!

[opaque wharf]

BRO THE PROJECT SCOPE IS JUST LLM CALL

[rigid snow]

LOOK I HAVE ADHD OK

[opaque wharf]

SAME

You would be me too if you see the 3 container of modules that I have...

[olive sable]

i dont

instead i have ASS

[trim valve]

thank you rust gif crate

I did not actually want to open this gif

I am perfectly fine with failed to make gif decoder: Format(DecodingFormatError { underlying: "malformed GIF header" }) in fact

[tender river]

is it actually a gif and not a png renamed to gif

[trim valve]

[AVFormatContext @ 0x55e74bbefd00] Opening 'large-opaque.gif' for reading
[file @ 0x55e74bbf0300] Setting default whitelist 'file,crypto,data'
Probing gif score:100 size:2048
Probing gif_pipe score:99 size:2048
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] Format gif probed with size=2048 and score=100
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] Loop count is 0
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] Before avformat_find_stream_info() pos: 0 bytes read:6635558 seeks:1 nb_streams:1
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] All info found
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] rfps: 29.833333 0.013009
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] rfps: 29.916667 0.008327
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] rfps: 30.000000 0.006731
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] rfps: 29.970030 0.006949
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] stream 0: start_time: 0 duration: 3.03
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] format: start_time: 0 duration: 3.03 (estimate from stream) bitrate=17519 kb/s
[gif @ 0x55e74bbefd00] After avformat_find_stream_info() pos: 3630080 bytes read:10272806 seeks:1 frames:50
Input #0, gif, from 'large-opaque.gif':
  Duration: 00:00:03.03, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 17519 kb/s
  Stream #0:0, 50, 1/100: Video: gif, 1 reference frame, bgra, 413x450, 0/1, 33.33 fps, 30 tbr, 100 tbn
[AVIOContext @ 0x55e74bbf8480] Statistics: 10272806 bytes read, 1 seeks

idk looks like a gif to me

[tender river]

it does look like a gif

[trim valve]

though I could imagine tenor is doing something weird

[opaque wharf]

Is Evil voice always this expressive?

[rare bramble]

seems slightly different this stream, though said that got a new voice like a month or two ago, chances are that he did some further tuning on it for this stream

[opaque wharf]

Oh so that's why

[trim valve]

~/owobred/scratch/agif$ hexdump -c large-opaque.gif | head -n 10
0000000   G   I   F   8   9   a 235 001 302 001 367 037  \0  \0  \0  \0

ok

so

[opaque wharf]

Hmmm

Interesting

[solid bough]

[trim valve]

[sage crag]

buh php

[opaque wharf]

Do you even have sleep schedule?

[solid bough]

I know I wasn't asked, but I don't

[sage crag]

its 7pm

awa

[trim valve]

oh my god

[desert plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/animatedtext-animated-sleep-fkay-gif-22627367

[solid bough]

it's 20:27...

[trim valve]

 $cargo run -r -- large-opaque.gif 
   Compiling agif v0.1.0 (/home/.../owobred/scratch/agif)
    Finished `release` profile [optimized] target(s) in 1.45s
     Running `target/release/agif large-opaque.gif`
[src/main.rs:9:22] std::env::args().next().unwrap() = "target/release/agif"

thread 'main' panicked at src/main.rs:17:58:
failed to make gif decoder: Format(DecodingFormatError { underlying: "malformed GIF header" })
note: run with `RUST_BACKTRACE=1` environment variable to display a backtrace

today on fun cargo quirks I forgot about

wait no

I'm dumb

that's the executable name, forgot that goes first in the args

[solid bough]

Wait, what do you mean?

[rigid snow]

$ arg0 arg1 arg2

[sage crag]

before

main:
    sub rsp, 0x20
    mov qword ptr [rsp], 0x00
    mov qword ptr [rsp+0x08], 0x00
    mov byte ptr [rsp+0x10], 0x00
1:    mov rax, [rsp]
    cmp rax, 0x00
    setnbe al
    movzx rax, al
    test al, al
    jz :0
    mov rcx, [rsp+0x08]
    mov al, [rsp+0x10]
    mov [rcx], al
    mov rax, [rsp+0x08]
    inc rax
    mov [rsp+0x08], rax
    mov rax, [rsp]
    dec rax
    mov [rsp], rax
    jmp :1
0:    add rsp, 0x20
    ret

<main>:
    xor    rax,rax
    xor    rcx,rcx
    test   rcx,rcx
    je     <main+0x1d>
    mov    BYTE PTR [rax],0x0
    dec    rcx
    inc    rax
    jmp    <main+0x6>
    ret

after

compiler fixed

[solid bough]

Aaah, That's clear now

[sage crag]

same clarity its just faster

[solid bough]

I mean the question I had before.

[sage crag]

awa

[solid bough]

Anyways, what you sent actually clarified that

[solid bough]

That was meant btw

[trim valve]

wow im such a pro, look at how perfectly equivalent these two images are

this is my sign to not touch either media nor rust for the rest of the day

[solid bough]

I see no difference ngl

Both have some pixels on the red channel

[solid bough]

Did you try ♫Python♪~?

[solid bough]

But jokes aside, I do somewhat see Evil in there.

[olive sable]

Lethal company glitches are always fun.
An unkillable mob fell into the void and kept giving us xp

[opaque wharf]

Don't go there. It is the demon talking

[solid bough]

And done, I made my first successful contract.
I made a deal that as long the demon is chill I will give some services. (Water and cooling it a bit)

[opaque wharf]

It's a demon. You gonna need a lot of power to cool it down

[solid bough]

I said some

not like 20°C at once

but true.

[solid bough]

Wait, How?

[sage crag]

i will note this is missing peepholes still.

xor rax,rax ; this becomes redundant after the upcoming branch removal
xor rcx,rcx ; rcx is now known to be zero
test rcx,rcx ; unnecessary test, rcx is zero
je <main+0x1d> ; unnecessary branch, rcx is zero so we can just omit the branch where it isn't
; ...
ret

so the whole program could be optimised to

<main>:
  ret

[opaque wharf]

So you bothering the compiler dev is actually working?

[solid bough]

Should I get in to 6502 stuff?

[sage crag]

yes, these are actual issues you know

[solid bough]

What is the worst that could happen if an error on the compiler was gonna happen when compiling an OS?

The BIOS getting corrupted?

[sage crag]

well, this is one of the reasons that aos development slowed down

we couldnt tell if our ATA pio was broken because of hblang or broken because of skill issue

[small anvil]

[tender river]

"hblang or skill issue" is a game i play often

[solid bough]

I would say the hblang (I think you meant hblank)

[sage crag]

yup

[tender river]

no she did not mean hblank

[sage crag]

better here in userspace than down at kernel

[solid bough]

Oh

[tender river]

https://git.ablecorp.eu/mlokis/hblang/

[small anvil]

"its never the compiler" unless its hblang

[solid bough]

I say hblang

[solid bough]

What was the "Success" message on that link???

[tender river]

anubis

https://anubis.techaro.lol/

[solid bough]

Now I need to reinstall Windows Again

[sage crag]

it is nice to see this actually get implemented

[solid bough]

Great

I'm honestly not looking forward to reinstall Windows rn

[opaque wharf]

SINCE WHEN?

[solid bough]

Well, how deep does that go? a Chrome reinstall might do it I hope

[sage crag]

if u find anything out of place then send me a dm

[sage crag]

what

[solid bough]

I went to the link and just for a fraction of a second there was a success message

[sage crag]

anubis isnt a virus

[solid bough]

Man, I have to change my passowords now

[sage crag]

hello?

[rigid snow]

[opaque sigil]

Hiiii

[solid bough]

What? that is not normal

[tender river]

forgejo does implement activitypub

[opaque wharf]

Yeah, I know they planned it but I didn't know it's done implemented

I need to update my instance lmao

[sage crag]

anubis not virus => nothing happened => no need to change passwords, no need to reset windows, no need to reinstall chrome

[rigid snow]

install linux

[solid bough]

Man, I never saw a site just blip for a fraction of a second a message, so that is enough to assume that my data got leaked again.

[solid bough]

Thanks no, I already have the fun to be forced to use SSH on my server

[tender river]

just read the link you've been provided... https://anubis.techaro.lol/

[astral raven]

Planning to upgrade PC on 2026

For Battlefield 6 and Marvel Rivals

[sage crag]

those things are almost always bot filters

[south needle]

ssh is good

[solid bough]

Not if the user is a complete beginner

Which I fall in to that category

[rigid snow]

ssh user@hostname very hard

[south needle]

tru

[solid bough]

I mean running a program that won't close after closing SSH

[rigid snow]

uuuh

[south needle]

what

[rigid snow]

you want services instead

[sage crag]

the easiest way is just to use screen

lol

[rigid snow]

true that

[south needle]

or tmux

[trim valve]

smh how dare you not run tmux in prod

[opaque wharf]

Nah, it's still too hard for beginner

Something like PM2

[opaque sigil]

nohup

[opaque wharf]

So running something and making it long running is just pm2 run "command"

[solid bough]

You do know that this isn't like RDP:

[rigid snow]

rdp

[sage crag]

you do know that i know what im talking about

[south needle]

lol

[opaque wharf]

screen is a program btw

[rigid snow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen she means this

[opaque wharf]

Just fyi

[solid bough]

okay

[solid bough]

Why removing the embed btw?

[rigid snow]

too big

[solid bough]

That is a reasonable size ngl

[sage crag]

if you put the link in angle brackets it wont embed <link>

[olive sable]

that fucking baby fell into the water and drowned

[opaque wharf]

But yeah, screen is not as easy as this

[solid bough]

That is as far I know then for

[sage crag]

it works in general

[south needle]

just use tmux right?

[solid bough]

Oh

[rigid snow]

it really wasn't

[small anvil]

was that... freddy fazbear?? 😭

[opaque wharf]

How do you start tmux automatically on restart?

[solid bough]

So now a 10x10 pixel embed is already too big, eh?

[rigid snow]

just use services ffs they're not that fucking hard

[nocturne olive]

Convenient thingy, I use it for stuff I run at startup so I can see the terminal from them

[sage crag]

screen -R whatever_tf
# do all your work
# now press Ctrl+A
# now press d, the screen will be detached
screen -r whatever_tf # to resume that shell

[rigid snow]

the gnu logo was half the screen

[sage crag]

its easy to use

[opaque wharf]

Now restart the server

[rigid snow]

I'm going to crash out

[sage crag]

if you need a persistent service, write one for systemd

[solid bough]

dude, I'm so clueless on Linux that even AI has more knowledge on Linux

[south needle]

you dont? you just start tmux and then if you have a session you do tmux a or tmux attach

[opaque wharf]

Which is why I'm proposing something like PM2 for beginner

Or something similar

[tender river]

i dont use tmux for the sole reason of it messing with scrollback

it would be cool to have something like tmux but with native scrollback

[solid bough]

That command also doesn't really do that much

[south needle]

use systemd services if it should start on server startup

[sage crag]

screen also does this

[sage crag]

maybe zellij?

[south needle]

it has

[opaque wharf]

Mhmm, tell that to someone that just want to make their program runs on startup without really need to learn linux

[south needle]

maybe learn linux then

[opaque wharf]

Also, not everything is SystemD

[south needle]

in nixos there is

[sage crag]

just about every production server that uses linux will not be using openrc, runit, s6, dinit, or otherwise

they will just use systemd

[opaque wharf]

Not for SBC no

[solid bough]

Well, I just used nohup to make java not be attached to the SSH connection that I can disconnect without the client stopping.

[opaque wharf]

Especially some chinese SBC that have their own linux

[tender river]

android doesnt use systemd

not sure if it counts

[sage crag]

android production server

cursed

[opaque wharf]

I don't think that counts

[solid bough]

Isn't android also a Linux distro?

[tender river]

its not a distro

it just uses the linux kernel

[solid bough]

I use Linux Ubuntu 24.04 LTS

[solid bough]

So in theory a Distro

[tender river]

no

[solid bough]

Okay, but at least Android is better.

[sage crag]

linux distro implies its GNU+Linux

[opaque wharf]

Isn't that what a distro is tho?

[sage crag]

android is not GNU at all

[opaque wharf]

Since when?

[rigid snow]

it is a system that ships with and runs on the linux kernel, therefore it’s a distribution of linux by definition

[sage crag]

since GNU+Linux became the default for linux userspace

[tender river]

it does not since musl exists

but close enough

[opaque wharf]

Look, I think we confuse the term linux distro as OS and linux distro as general purpose OS here

[tender river]

[solid bough]

Well, now I need to learn how to initialize that disk now:

And all that through SSH

[opaque wharf]

Will you consider openwrt a linux distro?

[tender river]

android is not distributed per se it's just preinstalled so imo that makes it not a distro, i guess you could count it if you really want but it's not useful

[solid bough]

Sure

[opaque wharf]

It's distributed chay. How else are they pushing the update

Not openly distributed sure

[tender river]

i dont want to argue about this it's pointless

you can call android a distro if you want

[rigid snow]

technically correct, the best kind of correct

[solid bough]

A vague one, but How do I even find a raw disk?

[tender river]

[opaque wharf]

What does that even mean

[faint sandal]

[solid bough]

That:

[rigid snow]

you uncook a disk

[faint sandal]

:BADONE:

[tender river]

this screenshot tells me nothing, is this some cloud provider where you attached a virtual disk to your vps?

[solid bough]

Jokes aside, that disk is raw according to the panel and I never initialized it.

[opaque wharf]

Raw formatted disk is just a disk without any formatting

[faint sandal]

you can't expect us to know the context without explanation

[solid bough]

it is a KVM Server, and I never figured out that I never initialized the disk.

[faint sandal]

[tender river]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fdisk

[opaque wharf]

Now that I look at it, it is kinda cursed that you backup a raw disk

Kinda because it may still contains information

[solid bough]

Yeah, I can't use the wiki because that is for Arch Linux...

[opaque wharf]

Just not in the usual format